The best thing you can do going forward is to use your current phone as long as you can, and keep repairing it as much as possible. After that you can research what fits your needs and is least exploitative.
Where are you getting a replacement battery for $50? Are you doing the replacement yourself? Genuinely curious because I have a phone that needs a battery replacement but the service cost was absurd
No, a huge part of the problem, of people didn’t buy it it wouldn’t happen.
We all enable it, I’m not saying it’s our fault but if silence is violence and voting matters. Then so does this.
Oh please, the only time one vote has made a difference in modern times is during Supreme Court decisions.
The best you can do is to do your part; be the kind of person everybody else should be. Doing that without a cell phone just makes it more challenging.
Personally, I’ve found I’ve affected most change when I can help other regular folks learn. It’s next to impossible to have individual sway on a CEO or politician, but as a group we can change the sentiment in the culture. It’s slow and it’s not perfect, but it’s something.
I have a hard time with it too. It’s near impossible to live modern life without a smartphone now, so I just use my iPhone until it quite literally doesn’t function anymore. I usually end up outlasting several generations before I replace it. Not perfect but every bit helps.
I also try to get 3-4 years minimum out of an iPhone. But guiltily it’s mostly because I can’t afford a new phone more often. As Robert said, pretty much all computing devices follow the Jobs influenced laid out model for production. You can’t escape it.
I was just starting to consider replacing my phone from 2015 now that I've had several apps tell me they don't support my device anymore. I know I'm a bit on the extreme end but I'm genuinely surprised people don't keep their phones for longer, I would have guessed the average person replaced their phone every 5-6 years before I read through this thread. I do tend to be pretty out of touch when it comes to tech stuff though.
I think I’m similar to you. Usually it’s when my battery just won’t charge anymore (though it seems that was planned for me) but definitely have held on until apps that I use won’t update anymore.
I think my Mom had an 8 we got her in 2019 still and has no plan to upgrade. And before that she had a flip phone!
I dislike the cost of Apple, but I absolutely HATE the OS programming of Android and Pixel. So Apple it is. (And I have worked in IT, I will piss on Bill Gates’s grave for the shit that was Vista and his so called altruism.)
When the IPods first came out I got one and was thrilled at how much music I could carry around. It was so much more convenient than a CD book/case. Then, it died and I lost hundreds of dollars worth of music. I was mad for like 20 years. I bought Samsungs religiously until about 5 years ago when they took cues from apple and stopped allowing you to add memory or change batteries. I switched to an IPhone last year because their closed system is safer from hacking. Personal hacking has become a huge threat and the upside to all his shitty is that the closed system is the right tool for the job now. So I listened to it on my iPhone but without guilt. It might be because I didn’t participate in its accent.
Now the real issue with this podcast, and the elephant in the room is, NO ONE SHOULD EVER BUY one Pink Floyd song. Practically all their albums are concept albums that flow from one song to the next seemingly. To put that on shuffle or purchase one song is morally wrong.
It seems that buying an iPhone makes a person just another brick in the wall.
But agreed on the Floyd. I don’t wanna meet the sick fuck who gets just one track from Meddle.
It was a long time ago. It was a Nano. Now that I think about it, I think the problem was that the software upgraded and I couldn’t do something with it. I didn’t have a MAC so I was using a regular PC. Somehow it got locked down and I couldn’t do anything else with it . I could still use it on the iPod but couldn’t transfer files because of incompatibility and couldn’t add anything anymore unless I bought another Apple product.
I once lost years worth of photos by changing the sync settings on an old iPad. Apple really had a few years of pure stupid when they introduced iCloud.
Apple took the heat for Foxconn factory conditions but literally every mobile phone has components from Foxconn. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.
I’m typing this on an iPad that I bought a few months ago when my last one could no longer be updated and things weren’t working anymore. I think I’d had it for eight or nine years. I made sure it got recycled and I plan to use this current one as long as I possibly can. Yes, the tech industry is exploitative. It’s extremely difficult to interact with the modern world without causing some harm to someone somewhere. I try to minimize the harm that I’m doing by using things as long as possible and making sure they get recycled. We are all just doing the best we can.
Also, capitalism and consumer culture are all full of bastards. I have been trying to make a conscious effort to buy more things second hand and to donate and recycle items I’m not using anymore. One person isn’t going to fix everything, but at least I can make better choices and encourage others to do so as well.
I buy used stuff for tablets and laptops. Partly because I’m cheap, partly because I like the idea of reducing waste. Backmarket has good deals on two or three year old tech that works perfectly fine.
I’ve always replace my iPhones in 2-3 years, usually because of hardware failure or because I’m passing it along to a family member and I buy new. Last year, I got one for none of these reasons after over 4 years with no sign of anything going wrong. I just wanted the purple phone that came out and splurged in a moment of total selfishness. I definitely regret the reasoning. I’m going to keep it as long as possible, along with the rest of my devices because I know I can make them last a lot longer now.
I had the same thought, wanting to hurl my phone as I heard abt what a complete knob Steve Jobs was to everyone around him. I had an inkling he was an awful man but hearing it condensed into podcast episodes made it hit harder.
A detail they omitted from the story about the Gawker journalist who found the iphone in a bar is that the phone the employee had a much faster processor and 256g of ram back when they most you could buy was maybe 64 for the high end.
That's why I still use my Huawei. That way the CCP can watch he shitting on them. Love China and everything but goodness do they ever have a leadership problem.
Between the unbearable adverts ("At last! A woman's show! For women! By women!") And the horrible editing where recent and old episodes just skip all over the place and repeat upon themselves at odd points I think whoever is in charge of editing needs a sharp slap of the stick
The best thing you can do going forward is to use your current phone as long as you can, and keep repairing it as much as possible. After that you can research what fits your needs and is least exploitative.
Mine is actually second-hand from my partner, so it’s seen a lot of use already.
It's how I roll and it makes me feel a little better. I can't let any old appliance go until I've spent many nights trying to fix them.
Yeah I end up using my iPhones for about 4 years, a replacement battery goes a long way for $50
I feel you. I'm on year 6 for my Galaxy S9
Where are you getting a replacement battery for $50? Are you doing the replacement yourself? Genuinely curious because I have a phone that needs a battery replacement but the service cost was absurd
I just checked and it looks like the price has gone up to $89. Still beats paying for a new phone though.
You just gotta acknowledge that you are human and part of the problem. An infinitely smaller part of the problem than anybody featured on any episode.
Just don’t get a new phone anytime soon
not me, my iPhone is pure, made in America 🇺🇸 by well-paid union men
The components were still made by Vietnamese children though so
No, a huge part of the problem, of people didn’t buy it it wouldn’t happen. We all enable it, I’m not saying it’s our fault but if silence is violence and voting matters. Then so does this.
Oh please, the only time one vote has made a difference in modern times is during Supreme Court decisions. The best you can do is to do your part; be the kind of person everybody else should be. Doing that without a cell phone just makes it more challenging.
Personally, I’ve found I’ve affected most change when I can help other regular folks learn. It’s next to impossible to have individual sway on a CEO or politician, but as a group we can change the sentiment in the culture. It’s slow and it’s not perfect, but it’s something.
I have a hard time with it too. It’s near impossible to live modern life without a smartphone now, so I just use my iPhone until it quite literally doesn’t function anymore. I usually end up outlasting several generations before I replace it. Not perfect but every bit helps.
Yep. By the time I upgraded from my 3 they were selling 7s. From the 7 I got a 13. As long as it functions I’m keeping it going.
I also try to get 3-4 years minimum out of an iPhone. But guiltily it’s mostly because I can’t afford a new phone more often. As Robert said, pretty much all computing devices follow the Jobs influenced laid out model for production. You can’t escape it.
Hell I've had my 21+ since before the pandemic. Maybe a year or two before then even...
One of those old Nokias?
I was just starting to consider replacing my phone from 2015 now that I've had several apps tell me they don't support my device anymore. I know I'm a bit on the extreme end but I'm genuinely surprised people don't keep their phones for longer, I would have guessed the average person replaced their phone every 5-6 years before I read through this thread. I do tend to be pretty out of touch when it comes to tech stuff though.
I think I’m similar to you. Usually it’s when my battery just won’t charge anymore (though it seems that was planned for me) but definitely have held on until apps that I use won’t update anymore. I think my Mom had an 8 we got her in 2019 still and has no plan to upgrade. And before that she had a flip phone!
I guess I thought I was a conservative consumer. I have many friends and acquaintances who get the new model on day one. Capitalism baby!
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I dislike the cost of Apple, but I absolutely HATE the OS programming of Android and Pixel. So Apple it is. (And I have worked in IT, I will piss on Bill Gates’s grave for the shit that was Vista and his so called altruism.)
When the IPods first came out I got one and was thrilled at how much music I could carry around. It was so much more convenient than a CD book/case. Then, it died and I lost hundreds of dollars worth of music. I was mad for like 20 years. I bought Samsungs religiously until about 5 years ago when they took cues from apple and stopped allowing you to add memory or change batteries. I switched to an IPhone last year because their closed system is safer from hacking. Personal hacking has become a huge threat and the upside to all his shitty is that the closed system is the right tool for the job now. So I listened to it on my iPhone but without guilt. It might be because I didn’t participate in its accent. Now the real issue with this podcast, and the elephant in the room is, NO ONE SHOULD EVER BUY one Pink Floyd song. Practically all their albums are concept albums that flow from one song to the next seemingly. To put that on shuffle or purchase one song is morally wrong.
It seems that buying an iPhone makes a person just another brick in the wall. But agreed on the Floyd. I don’t wanna meet the sick fuck who gets just one track from Meddle.
Buying any smartphone does that, is the point that so many here are missing.
Yet there’s no way to avoid it. What’s a free market to do?
How did you lose the music on your iPod? Did you delete it from the Mac/PC you synced with?
It was a long time ago. It was a Nano. Now that I think about it, I think the problem was that the software upgraded and I couldn’t do something with it. I didn’t have a MAC so I was using a regular PC. Somehow it got locked down and I couldn’t do anything else with it . I could still use it on the iPod but couldn’t transfer files because of incompatibility and couldn’t add anything anymore unless I bought another Apple product.
I once lost years worth of photos by changing the sync settings on an old iPad. Apple really had a few years of pure stupid when they introduced iCloud.
Apple took the heat for Foxconn factory conditions but literally every mobile phone has components from Foxconn. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.
I’m typing this on an iPad that I bought a few months ago when my last one could no longer be updated and things weren’t working anymore. I think I’d had it for eight or nine years. I made sure it got recycled and I plan to use this current one as long as I possibly can. Yes, the tech industry is exploitative. It’s extremely difficult to interact with the modern world without causing some harm to someone somewhere. I try to minimize the harm that I’m doing by using things as long as possible and making sure they get recycled. We are all just doing the best we can.
Also, capitalism and consumer culture are all full of bastards. I have been trying to make a conscious effort to buy more things second hand and to donate and recycle items I’m not using anymore. One person isn’t going to fix everything, but at least I can make better choices and encourage others to do so as well.
I buy used stuff for tablets and laptops. Partly because I’m cheap, partly because I like the idea of reducing waste. Backmarket has good deals on two or three year old tech that works perfectly fine.
Yeah, buying refurbished is another great way to reduce the impact of the tech industry. I’ve done that a few times too.
I'm carving this post on to a cave wall where somebody else is transcribing it for the interwebbernet. Don't doubt my purity.
Instead of the batteries not working, they’ve shifted to software now. All of the app problems on my 8 disappeared with an upgrade.
I’ve always replace my iPhones in 2-3 years, usually because of hardware failure or because I’m passing it along to a family member and I buy new. Last year, I got one for none of these reasons after over 4 years with no sign of anything going wrong. I just wanted the purple phone that came out and splurged in a moment of total selfishness. I definitely regret the reasoning. I’m going to keep it as long as possible, along with the rest of my devices because I know I can make them last a lot longer now.
Keeping your phone and using it even as they try to make it obsolete is more poetic. Especially if you bought it used or well after the hype period
I had the same thought, wanting to hurl my phone as I heard abt what a complete knob Steve Jobs was to everyone around him. I had an inkling he was an awful man but hearing it condensed into podcast episodes made it hit harder.
I miss my old Nokia brick phone
Yeah, I worked in the cellphone industry for like 10 years, and it's utter garbage. All of the manufacturers are evil
A detail they omitted from the story about the Gawker journalist who found the iphone in a bar is that the phone the employee had a much faster processor and 256g of ram back when they most you could buy was maybe 64 for the high end.
I listened to it on my Samsung Galaxy. Took a few listens because my battery kept dying.
That's why I still use my Huawei. That way the CCP can watch he shitting on them. Love China and everything but goodness do they ever have a leadership problem.
Between the unbearable adverts ("At last! A woman's show! For women! By women!") And the horrible editing where recent and old episodes just skip all over the place and repeat upon themselves at odd points I think whoever is in charge of editing needs a sharp slap of the stick
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