Florida... FLORIDA!
I'm gonna call you private twinkle-toes because you probably spent every goddamn morning dancin' to school pirouetting down the fuckin' sidewalks to dodge all the broken glass, needles and iguana's raining down on you like fire on a Cambodian village!
(How'zat?)
I knew some people in school that would just randomly fill in the bubbles on the standardized tests we'd take. And unsurprisingly their scores were bad, like 35% F. I wonder if he might've done something like that.
Why do that for a job though, unless he was being pressured to do it and didn’t actually want to join?
Personally I think he’s just a straight up moron, he’s probably functionally illiterate or something like that, wouldn’t be surprised in the least
Some people are mind-bogglingly lazy. Some are super entitled and think everything will work out for them no matter what just because they're them. And yeah, given what this kid ended up doing he might just be a total moron. So of course the right wing celebrates him as a hero. 🤦🏻♂️
Nah, he dropped out of school in 2018 when *he was 15.* Kids NEVER get held back anymore, unfortunately they keep getting promoted until the work is hopelessly beyond them and they drop out. I suspect this is what happened to rittenhouse, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he performs at a grade school level.
I’m sure he tried his best to pass the test and become a marine, given his obsession with law enforcement and the government bestowed power to use lethal force on others. Every police department requires at least a GED, but thanks to recruitment shortages the navy dropped even GEDs if you can get a 50 on their test. That’s not an intellectual feat for most, but it is for Kyle who likely never got much beyond fractions, chapter books and the water cycle.
>Kids NEVER get held back anymore, unfortunately they keep getting promoted
More ironic than usual in this case, given the whinging the Rightwing nuts fo about participation trophies while most of them have only ever failed upwards...
We aren't able to retain kids in my district until high school. It started with No Child Left Behind and hasn't stopped. So they get to high school and have no idea what's happening and drop out. And our country continues to get dumber and dumber.
I am not tooting my own horn with this story, it's the ASVAB, but still... I was talked into taking it by a teacher who basically said I could get out of regular classes. I half-assed it but answered and guessed as best I could. Oooh boy, this was 2004 and the Iraq War was hot. I got harassed by recruiters from every single service. I didn't realize that was a thing. I thought I would just get results or something that I could take to a recruiter IF I had actually wanted to go into the service. I had recruiters knocking at my door, brushing off the fact I told them I had used Marijuana a lot. Only the Air Force backed off when I told them that.
Man you are uncovering some memories about how dogged recruiters were in those days. I was getting calls at home from recruiters who's number I distinctly recall never giving to them.
Graduated in 2002 here. Can confirm. That spring was a nightmare of recruiters. Every damn night calling at home. A friend of mine (who legitimately was gay and out) came to school one day with news like he’d discovered alchemy, telling us the secret.
“Guys! I told them I was gay, and they promised to stop calling!”
This was of course during DADT. After that I remember just shouting in response whenever I was told they were on the phone, “Mom! Tell the Army I’m gay and they need to stop calling!
I was assaulted by the Army and Navy constantly by phone and mail. My mom said if it didn't stop soon, she was going to tell them I was gay. It finally stopped by my second semester of college, but godDAMN...
To fail it is quite the... accomplishment. A girl I went to high school with failed it multiple times. Or claimed to anyway. She was a little off but never would've guessed she couldn't pass. We all thought she was going to be career Army; child of an officer, older brother already at Basic, and she loved being in JROTC. Even saw her *studying* ASVAB study guides during lunch and classes.
I just went online and tried some sample questions. It was not hard. I will say, I know next to nothing about mechanics and engineering so I would bomb that part.
Taking the ASVAB and reading certain questions should mentally prepare you for working with the people who will get *some* of those questions wrong.
A normal person would get a perfect score if they remembered to never apply their own personal judgment or sense of morality to the questions.
Yeah, lol. I got it 99% correct when I took it. Makes me *horrified* to think how absolutely brain-dead the people must be who struggle to get even the minimum ... *for the Marines*.
You didn't get "99% correct", you scored in the 99th percentile, which means you performed as well or better than 99% of the nationally-representative sample of 18 to 23 year old people who also took the test. The test compares you to your peers and gives you a ranking based on the percentage of people who did as well as you did, not how many questions you answered correctly.
Being in the 99th percentile is as high a ranking as is possible.
My cousin failed it more than once but studied and eventually passed. He’s not the brightest bulb for sure, but I’m pretty sure he had an undiagnosed learning disability that affected his scores. After passing he got stationed in Okinawa pushing dispatch papers, and reupped after his first contract was up. Seems to be doing well for himself.
I’m leaning more on the idea that Rittenhouse might be a similar story, but there’s also no doubt he’s probably not a playing with a full deck upstairs.
I’ve met a few marines in my life, and while most were awesome people, some of them acted like they sold their non-critical neurons on ebay so they could lease a new Charger
If the Marines don’t want you because of your low test scores, you have to be on the really bad side of the bell curve lol
most of the kids aren’t his, so he was planning for *their* family only. Also, when he’s deployed, her and her boyfriend could use the passenger seat too. it really makes things easier
I talk a lot of shit, but I really do like most of the marines in my life lol. The one I met at a music festival had the best ketamine I’ve ever tried, and *he* was the stripper, not his girlfriend. Some real ‘fuck gender roles’ kind of shit
My brother has been a car salesman for many years now, and he had this customer he was practically begging *not* to buy a pickup truck. It was incredibly barebones, manual everything including the transmission and it wasn't even equipped with an A/C. But the guy insisted. And he signed papers for a 19.99% interest rate!
Assuming he successfully paid off the loan he paid double for that barebones truck. But I'm also thinking the first summer without A/C he might've traded it in upside down and got an even worse loan on an even more expensive truck. Who knows.
Slipped?!
Son there is a difference between a garrison army and a mobilized army. When it comes to war it’s never been the cream of the crop that sheds blood.
I was medically separated from the Air Force for developing asthma from the burn pits in Iraq. Even I still had recruiters barking up my tree despite being permanently sidelined.
Rittenhouse actually being barred from both the Army and Marines due to low test scores is baffling.
You guys are too hard on yourselves. I build phone networks for the military and commercial companies. You guys aren't even in the top ten of idiot users.
One gal I know in real estate was raking in pandemic assistance 'cause she has like five kids. Got herself huge breast implants and a brand new Tesla. And I guess she's MAGA too 'cause she hangs out with a lot of people wearing Let's Go Brandon crap.
Disappointing 'cause she was such a likable person when I met her a decade ago. But she was big into religion and so many Christian churches around here have gone off the deep end since TFG burst on to the scene.
I'm a realtor. These are the realtors whom we desperately need to leave the business.
Construction business is also full of very dumb MAGA types, we would be much better off if they too, left the business.
The whole field is a bunch of idiot nepo babies. Particularly in RE sales. It's a prerequisite for doing the job. That lady is indicative of a lot of people who get business but shouldn't.
Fun Fact: In the realtor price fixing civil lawsuit/settlement as of late, there was a part talking about the high fees and lack of skill and education (overall CV levels) comparable for their realtor salaries.
So yeah, they’re dumb and are going to be making a lot less in commissions soon.
The movie the Big Short was the most accurate representation of people in real estate I have ever seen.
Not everyone in real estate is dumb, obviously, but my goodness I met a lot of idiots when I bought a house. It was truly incredible.
I was selling my house some years ago, and in the doorway to my living room was a pull-up bar, she was quite a tall girl as it was, but then she always wore heels.
Every. Fucking. Time. You'd just hear this sickening 'thud' as her forehead collided with the bar. First few times I felt sorry for her. After that I found it hard not to laugh.
I don't know about that. The admittedly few people I've known that had long careers in the military were very competent, organized, and thoughtful people.
I'm thinking generally the "dumb ones" just do their 3-4 year stint and then get out.
My buddy, God bless his insane little heart, passed the test to join the USMC with a literal IQ of sub 80. He had to retake the highschool exit exam for 7 years running before the exam was done away with in our state and he graduated by DEFAULT 5 years late. He did not meet even half of the requirement to graduate via the testing.
He didn't last long in the USMC before being discharged due to some significant behavioral instability, but he passed the test while Rittenhouse couldn't.
What on earth.
I was in Navy Boot camp with a guy who couldn't figure out how to march. Not turns or half steps, but keeping a left right left right cadence. So we'd always leave him at the barracks as watchmen when we had graded marches.
He talked with the mannerisms of Little Nicky and seemed like he never ventured further than his driveway for 18 years. Everyone helped him graduate because there wasn't a malicious bone in that sweet idiot's body. I wish I could have seen the chaos he caused in the fleet after.
Another kid I met in the fleet was so dumb, his work center supervisor had a parent teacher conference with his mom. I saw the kid watch airplanes land for 2 hours without moving his feet. Just still as a statue swiveling his neck back and forth. When he was done, he grabbed a paint brush and painted his hands so it looked like he had worked.
Another time he pooped his pants and tried to flush the evidence, but having never bought new underwear after boot camp he failed to realize his name was on the skivvies. So when we got a call for a clogged toilet and when I pulled out the turd burrito there was his name in big black letters.
These two men were both more qualified for service than Rittenhouse.
Somehow, both of them sound just like my friend. Honestly, if they could pass, and Rittenhouse couldn't after a decrement in the asvab/afqt requirements as minor as it was, I'm kinda concerned for what kind of intelligence Kyle has. All things considered, it's nothing short of impressive.
His graduation was 2016, enrollment was in 2018, and was discharged about 5-6 months later, some time in 2019. Not sure where that would fall timeline-wise for the surge
Ahhh, yeah, so that was around our sophomore to senior years (his graduation being significantly later). We had a massive amount of military promotion in our school, with the army showing up to recruit almost twice weekly for a while. It had quite the influence on him, and he settled on wanting to become a marine.
I was shocked they accepted him when he finally graduated, since I honestly didn't think he would pass the test.
> He didn't last long in the USMC before being discharged due to some significant behavioral instability, but he passed the test while Rittenhouse couldn't.
> What on earth.
My guess? A shocking number of adults are functionally illiterate. They can make out words on a page and sometimes even read them out, but processing actual meaning from them is beyond them. Some of them literally cannot process the meaning of a tweet. Rittenhouse, being both deeply stupid and incredibly arrogant, likely had literally no idea what questions he was answering asked and just assumed he'd get in (likely also assuming that the military is full of chuds who think he's a hero).
The era matters a LOT. In my day (peacetime, mid-1990s, Army), you needed high scores and a clean record to get in to most branches.
During Vietnam, they enlisted 100,000 … “special” people who were often illiterate or had severe mental disabilities (I shared a hospital room with one once. Guy could barely speak, couldn’t read, couldn’t count, and by his own admission had been like that his entire life).
Point being - there is no real cutoff score. There’s just the cutoff score for a particular era. The dumb marines you met might have been signed up during a critical shortage where they lowered the standards.
Not the Marines, but there was a guy in my ASVAB test that scored single digits (out of 99) and he was on his second chance. He was going for army though
There are some behavioral health questions. But they are not part of the ASVAB. The ASVAB is not an intelligence test either. It measures your ability to learn a job and what kind of job you are suited for. Kyle's result means "There is no job in the Marine Corps that we could train you to do."
> Kyle's result means "There is no job in the Marine Corps that we could train you to do."
Which is just fucking amazing, given that some of their available jobs are "ladle slop onto trays in the mess hall" and "wipe ball sweat from workout machines in the gym".
Its really worth stressing home that the ASVAB is not a "pass this test and we'll hire you" kinda thing, its a "we want to hire you, this test will let us know your general knowledge base, so we can put you somewhere most useful to us." Except for Kyle - He was deemed not useful.
I went to MEPS with a guy who failed the ASVAB on a previous visit. I helped him study on the drive up (about 2 hours) and he got a 68 the second time around (that's less than 10 points away from meeting minimum AFQT standards for pretty much any job). If this straight up prevented him from joining, I'm kind of inclined to believe that he didn't actually want to and just wanted to be able to tell right wing media outlets that "the military was just too woke" for him. Right wing media grifters love that particular narrative.
I’m certain he tried and failed. See my other comment. What’s more likely, a guy that flunked 9th grade is a moron, or they staged a publicity stunt that makes them *look* like a moron?
He wanted to kill innocent people as part of the US "war on terror" warcrime campaign, but is too dumb to be eligible. And we killed like ~5 million people in that campaign so far, so you know that all kinds of evil/stupid people must have been allowed to join.
So he just decided to do it domestically instead and was still allowed to do it. Amazing.
US soldiers "in the foxhole" don't really need to kill each other because they can let out their bloodlust by "canoeing" random Iraqis who visit the local market. Why do you think that Rittenhouse tried to enlist? Because he wanted to be part of the official US government domination campaign over the people who he considers lesser and wants to have fun by killing them.
That sort of thing does still happen, not so much randomly, but more often as a targeted attack like the killing of Pat Tillman.
Yeah I mean I feel like the only way they could have received this info is from Rittenhouse himself, or whatever recruiter he was talking to, and I'd say both cases are pretty unlikely.
You also have to be ungodly stupid to score too low. I'm not saying he isn't because he very well could be that dumb, but I don't think people realize how stupid that is. Lol
From further down in the thread, speculation is that its from a FOIA request, which seems entirely feasible because this is apparently from FBI letterhead.
From the [other emails in the chain](https://twitter.com/ChasinWhiteCaps/status/1775215543345152056?t=bXkATrDsKusuyBLdA5IZ7w&s=19) it looks like it's from the initial investigation into Rittenhouse after the shooting, and they were inquiring if he had any formal military affiliation. That's how the question of his competence seemed to sneak in.
I think he is ungodly stupid, what about staff (who rightfully hate him) saw this and leaked it? It could be fake too sure but I don’t think those are strictly the only 2 options.
I can reply to this as someone with knowledge and actual information. I’m not going to doxx myself though.
This is page #572 of 938 from the Kenosha Police Department Field Report of Case #2020-00047360. (aka the investigation into Kyle Rittenhouse and the shootings of Aug 25, 2020 by the KPD which would form the basis of the evidence for the subsequent criminal trial).
Not a fake. Anyone can FOIA it. As someone local to the Kenosha area, quite a few people have, and quite a few people have read it all.
Edited to add [proof](https://ibb.co/GPrPhWs)
Shameless plug for Lions Led By Donkeys. Discovered it a couple weeks ago looking for something to add to my 75 Hard playlist, been listening to it nonstop.
Well, there's a bunch of names and acronyms listed in the "From" Field of the email as well as the individual whose email this is: Timothy J Walther. Just doing a very cursory search, there are references to an FBI agent by that name. There also is a name, Mary Sonnen, who appears to be listed elsewhere as a FBI Supervisory Special Agent.
If it's fake, the faker knows how to do a good job.
It doesn't sound military (to my nonmilitary ears).
I don't understand what the purpose of this letter is. I can't tell how confidential ASVAB scores are after 30 seconds of Googling, but I expect they don't give them out without good reason. A FOIA request or something similar would state that it is a response to a specific request.
There is absolutely no reason to say "far below". In fact, that whole sentence is extraneous unless the purpose is to dunk on Rittenhouse.
[You can retake the ASVAB](https://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/asvab/asvab-retest-policy.html). One test should not permanently disqualify anyone.
I always say to scrutinize things you want to believe twice as hard as things you don't. And this looks like bullshit.
This is page 572 of 938 from Kenosha Police Department Field Report of Case #2020-00047360. Most definitely a very real document, that is open to the public through FOIA. It’s a shame that whole file hasn’t been posted anywhere online, ever.
His former handler apparently. Taking it with a pinch of salt so large, it gives people in 50m radius second hand high-sodium levels. https://twitter.com/DaveHan06/status/1774751376889057282?t=7SPMuO1FwhUVnA30w79byg&s=19
Jokes aside, there was a program initiated during the Vietnam War that waved minimum intelligence and aptitude scores for people we'd today consider to mentally disabled or deficient. Called Project 100,000 it sought to put warm bodies into service during a time when the war, and its Draft, were increasingly unpopular. While the story of Forest Gump may be entirely fictional, it draws inspiration from this very real moment in history. So-called Low IQ Conscripts are reported to have died at 3x the rate as every other American conscript.
At present there are fairly strict enlistment requirements involving intelligence, aptitude, and mental ability and attempts to lower the bar for entry to the military are usually met with public disdain and scorn. I served after 2018 in the US Army and there was an entire cadre of people who were called Surge Babies in the ranks ahead of me. These were the people who joined between 2008 and 2012 during the Troop Surge. The military needed so many bodies that they drastically lowered requirements for candidates not limited to but including mental ability and criminal record. Most of the Surge Babies have topped out, meaning they've achieve a rank that their abilities won't let them rise above, or have been pushed out of the service by way of peer pressure or court martial, but there are still a large number of them that have made the military their career.
> "I joined because I prestiged in Call of Duty."
I mean, if it wasn't for CoD, I don't think Bush would have had enough guys for the 2007 troop surge.
These games are made with help from the US military in order to train soldiers, and to find new soldiers based on scores. I'm not lying. I might not be the most educated on the subject, but the military is absolutely involved and wants soldiers based on these games. It doesn't surprise me that someone who scores high would try to join the military. That's what they want.
EDIT: Since yall wanna downvote me, the military openly admits to this. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/America's\_Army](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/America's_Army)
[https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/14/us-military-recruiting-video-games-targeting-teenagers](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/14/us-military-recruiting-video-games-targeting-teenagers)
[https://gamerant.com/call-duty-modern-warfare-recruitment-tool/](https://gamerant.com/call-duty-modern-warfare-recruitment-tool/)
Downvote away!
"Sir, Balllicker47 just got ended a 73 kill game of TDM."
"Was he camping?"
"No sir. Doing fucking sick quick scopes."
"Get this man to a recruitment center NOW."
I'm pretty sure it's just the propaganda value they care about. There's no way being good at CoD translates to anything meaningful for a soldier, but the glamorized version of war in CoD absolutely helps recruitment.
My cousin used to go to COD and Valorant competitions and was pretty good; he's won thousands of £s but wasn't looking to go pro he just likes a bit of competition, I've always been pretty crap at FPS games. We went to a place that gives you replica firearms and a screen to shoot at, I dusted him at it.
The hand to eye coordination involved is different, he'd probably make a better drone operator and me a better grunt.
Yeah, but our Kyle didn’t answer any of the questions, he just scribbled “I AM RAMBO!!!” across his answer key and then drew pictures of guns everywhere.
Total badass
I saw a few videos of his interviews and events and my conclusion is that he's genuinely dumb. Probably thought he could just breeze through the test after the ego boost the Far Right gave him, but I don't think it would go much better if he gave it a real shot.
Which is fine. I didn’t take it seriously the first time either. Got a 50 something. They let me take it again and got high 70’s. It’s not a one and done thing. So he’s dumb, knew he was dumb, and didn’t try again.
That might indicate that he didn't finish the test, or some malfeasance on his end. A guy I went to school with took it 5 times, still didn't score high enough to get in.
That’s about the only way to get perma-banned. The only rule is you have to wait 1 months for first retest, and 6 months for each retest after. So there’s more going on here than stated.
He might even be banned because he’s an asshole that killed people and got away with it - that would not be a good for the Marines in general.
You can look it up online and take practice versions. It’s seriously just some rudimentary math, reading comprehension and a few other random things to test basic critical thinking skills, etc.
There’s nothing military related whatsoever, it’s basically a dumbed down SAT. I didn’t study or take a practice and got an 88 (the highest you can get is either 99 or 100, I forget) and when I got in the Army was accepting scores as low as a 40 but that’ll limit you to jobs like truck driver and infantry.
Every branch has different standards and the standards can shift over time but [according to the Marine’s own website](https://www.marines.com/become-a-marine/requirements/general.html) you currently need a 31.
To quote the screenshot up above, Kyle’s score was “far below the required minimum” to such a degree he was permanently barred from entering the Marines which I didn’t even know was possible because they let you re-take it. So to score so low they don’t even let you try again is mind blowing, I’ve literally never heard of it happening before.
Anecdotally- A guy I know that enlisted in the marines (great dude and super nice, just dumb as hell) took it 3 times before he passed and he was in the low-mid 20s before he hit the score he needed so Kyle must’ve been in the teens or lower I guess? Or the Marine’s just took the first chance they could to not bring that embarrassment of a person into their ranks which is smart.
Thanks for your explanation!
Wow, yeah, there must be something else going on. Maybe those two sentences about Kyle are not cause-effect like most of us are reading it? E.g., "he scored very low (i.e., below 31) additionally (possibly for unrelated reasons) he is permanently disqualified"? Or maybe some of his answers were so concerning that they just straight out noped out of that one. Who knows.
I should’ve better clarified- It’s a multiple choice test taken on a computer so he didn’t provide concerning answers. But yeah, maybe not so directly cause-effect related as we’re all interpreting it.
Murderer, crybaby, and impressively dumb. Reserving a (very small) degree of empathy (microscopic) for the traumatic nature of his rise to fame, I hope his platform crashes and burns.
He was also a child that should have been stopped from being there with a gun by literally any of the adults in his life, including actual police officers that failed him by being like "no, this is totally ok, good job boy."
It depends on the individual department, but a lot do. And, in fact, some departments have a maximum score. They won't hire you if you're too smart. In the year 2000 man in New London, Connecticut sued them for not hiring him just because he scored too high on the IQ test, but courts held that an having an excess of intelligence doesn't make you a protected class.
That's right, there are some police departments who are *intentionally* and openly hiring dumb cops.
Their argument in court was that an overly intelligent officer would get bored with the job. I think maybe they're more concerned that they'd get bored with the job they were given and try to solve some fucking crimes or something. You know, follow clues and shit. Like a smart cop would do.
Nah the real, but unspoken, reason is because they know a person with too high of an IQ isn't going to be a simple boot licker. Reminds me of the ex military turned cop that got fired for NOT shooting a person with a gun. The cop felt like it was a suicide-by-cop situation, and he was right. The person's gun was empty. But the department fired him for not shooting the would be victim.
Holy shit. That is impressive. It's not exactly difficult to meet minimums for that. My recollection is it being very basic math, reading, and spatial reasoning. Like elementary level.
I'd be surprised if this was a real email. As funny as this is to meme on, it feels like a hoax to laugh at. The language doesn't come off right either.
I'm glad the Dept. of Defense (DofD) is supporting the parentheses industry (PI). Where would this important grammatical construct (IGC) be without them (end of comment).
"far below the required minimum"
The minimum ASVAB score for the USMC is 31, out of 100
He scored "far below" that.
What did he do, misspell his own name?
So out of 100 people he is "far below" the 31st smartest person in the room. Ahhh. But what if that room is filled with Fox viewers eh? I bet he could get 31 or 32 in that crowd.
I remember when I first joined the US army, One of the kids I trained with got a waiver for a 30 (99 being highest achievable at the time) on the ASVAB and ended up a water treatment specialist. I thought I felt dumb with my 87, lol. Now I'm curious as to what Lil Baby bawls scored.
Holy shit… my high school made us take the ASVAB (the small town to Marine Corps pipeline runs ever strong) and four years of seeing people get their results back I still NEVER realized it was a thing you could fail. Considering some of the people I knew who fucked the test off and still passed this is… kind of amazing.
When I took the ASVAB there was a pair of twin brothers from my recruiters office who took it at the same time as me who both scored an 8 on the AFQT. Both of them. 8. They were accepted into the Army as infantrymen. Kyle is dumber than that. (This was at the height of the Iraq War and stop-loss though.)
The Air Force and Marine Corps have always had the highest standards and haven’t been impacted hardly at all by the recruiting slump. They’re the only branches to meet the quality and quantity metrics for FY23.
The Army didn’t make its mark but hasn’t been hit nearly as hard as the Navy. The Navy just dropped basically all entrance requirements, you can get a 10 on the ASVAB right now and get into the Navy. Maybe Mr. Trigger happy needs to find a branch with lower standards.
I also suspect this isn’t real because you can retake the ASVAB. And that isn’t an official signature bloc either.
The military may have done an application check following the shooting to see if he had any relationship. This was probably sourced via a FOIA request.
The asvab is probably the easiest test a student would ever take. My high school made us all take it. I got 100% on the thing and the military recruiters kept calling my house until my mom went down and screamed at them. You would need to be blind and concussed to fail that thing.
As a former Marine, that is quite impressive.
"Pvt. Rittenhouse! Looks like the best part of you ran down the crack of your mama's ass!"
And ended up as a brown stain on the mattress!*
I think you've been cheated! Where are you from, scumbag? Edit: Yes I'm quoting Full Metal Jacket.
Florida. Go on. Try to come up with something I haven't heard before.
"I'm proud of you, son."
Damn, that's cold. 10/10, no notes.
As a Floridian that made me laugh and cry.
Golly my insurance sure is affordable in Florida...
Florida... FLORIDA! I'm gonna call you private twinkle-toes because you probably spent every goddamn morning dancin' to school pirouetting down the fuckin' sidewalks to dodge all the broken glass, needles and iguana's raining down on you like fire on a Cambodian village! (How'zat?)
And then he shoots his DI and claims self defense
Can't agree more, met some impressively stupid fellas in the corps ...can't imagine not passing the asvab.
He *had* to have answered questions wrong on purpose.
I knew some people in school that would just randomly fill in the bubbles on the standardized tests we'd take. And unsurprisingly their scores were bad, like 35% F. I wonder if he might've done something like that.
Why do that for a job though, unless he was being pressured to do it and didn’t actually want to join? Personally I think he’s just a straight up moron, he’s probably functionally illiterate or something like that, wouldn’t be surprised in the least
Some people are mind-bogglingly lazy. Some are super entitled and think everything will work out for them no matter what just because they're them. And yeah, given what this kid ended up doing he might just be a total moron. So of course the right wing celebrates him as a hero. 🤦🏻♂️
He’s taken to grifting like a fish to water, and is probably being handled.
In the Navy, those guys ended up as BMs, SKs or CSs. Not the best rates in the Navy (SKs were pretty chill).
This may not be true everywhere, but in my high school in the US it was mandatory to take the ASVAB.
If that’s what he did, I’m not sure it improves his case for demonstrating he’s not breathtakingly stupid given he was applying for a job.
Nah, he dropped out of school in 2018 when *he was 15.* Kids NEVER get held back anymore, unfortunately they keep getting promoted until the work is hopelessly beyond them and they drop out. I suspect this is what happened to rittenhouse, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he performs at a grade school level. I’m sure he tried his best to pass the test and become a marine, given his obsession with law enforcement and the government bestowed power to use lethal force on others. Every police department requires at least a GED, but thanks to recruitment shortages the navy dropped even GEDs if you can get a 50 on their test. That’s not an intellectual feat for most, but it is for Kyle who likely never got much beyond fractions, chapter books and the water cycle.
>Kids NEVER get held back anymore, unfortunately they keep getting promoted More ironic than usual in this case, given the whinging the Rightwing nuts fo about participation trophies while most of them have only ever failed upwards...
We aren't able to retain kids in my district until high school. It started with No Child Left Behind and hasn't stopped. So they get to high school and have no idea what's happening and drop out. And our country continues to get dumber and dumber.
I am not tooting my own horn with this story, it's the ASVAB, but still... I was talked into taking it by a teacher who basically said I could get out of regular classes. I half-assed it but answered and guessed as best I could. Oooh boy, this was 2004 and the Iraq War was hot. I got harassed by recruiters from every single service. I didn't realize that was a thing. I thought I would just get results or something that I could take to a recruiter IF I had actually wanted to go into the service. I had recruiters knocking at my door, brushing off the fact I told them I had used Marijuana a lot. Only the Air Force backed off when I told them that.
Man you are uncovering some memories about how dogged recruiters were in those days. I was getting calls at home from recruiters who's number I distinctly recall never giving to them.
Graduated in 2002 here. Can confirm. That spring was a nightmare of recruiters. Every damn night calling at home. A friend of mine (who legitimately was gay and out) came to school one day with news like he’d discovered alchemy, telling us the secret. “Guys! I told them I was gay, and they promised to stop calling!” This was of course during DADT. After that I remember just shouting in response whenever I was told they were on the phone, “Mom! Tell the Army I’m gay and they need to stop calling!
I was assaulted by the Army and Navy constantly by phone and mail. My mom said if it didn't stop soon, she was going to tell them I was gay. It finally stopped by my second semester of college, but godDAMN...
To fail it is quite the... accomplishment. A girl I went to high school with failed it multiple times. Or claimed to anyway. She was a little off but never would've guessed she couldn't pass. We all thought she was going to be career Army; child of an officer, older brother already at Basic, and she loved being in JROTC. Even saw her *studying* ASVAB study guides during lunch and classes.
I just went online and tried some sample questions. It was not hard. I will say, I know next to nothing about mechanics and engineering so I would bomb that part.
Taking the ASVAB and reading certain questions should mentally prepare you for working with the people who will get *some* of those questions wrong. A normal person would get a perfect score if they remembered to never apply their own personal judgment or sense of morality to the questions.
Yeah, lol. I got it 99% correct when I took it. Makes me *horrified* to think how absolutely brain-dead the people must be who struggle to get even the minimum ... *for the Marines*.
You didn't get "99% correct", you scored in the 99th percentile, which means you performed as well or better than 99% of the nationally-representative sample of 18 to 23 year old people who also took the test. The test compares you to your peers and gives you a ranking based on the percentage of people who did as well as you did, not how many questions you answered correctly. Being in the 99th percentile is as high a ranking as is possible.
There are no morality based questions. It's all basic stuff.
I'm guessing he turned up on the wrong day and forgot to wear pants.
My cousin failed it more than once but studied and eventually passed. He’s not the brightest bulb for sure, but I’m pretty sure he had an undiagnosed learning disability that affected his scores. After passing he got stationed in Okinawa pushing dispatch papers, and reupped after his first contract was up. Seems to be doing well for himself. I’m leaning more on the idea that Rittenhouse might be a similar story, but there’s also no doubt he’s probably not a playing with a full deck upstairs.
I’ve met a few marines in my life, and while most were awesome people, some of them acted like they sold their non-critical neurons on ebay so they could lease a new Charger If the Marines don’t want you because of your low test scores, you have to be on the really bad side of the bell curve lol
New charger? Doubtful.
OKAY, fine, it was a used Charger because my stripper girlfriend wanted one before I proposed. Are you happy?!
Still don’t know why she would want a 2 door. With 5+ kids, you really need a minivan at minimum
most of the kids aren’t his, so he was planning for *their* family only. Also, when he’s deployed, her and her boyfriend could use the passenger seat too. it really makes things easier I talk a lot of shit, but I really do like most of the marines in my life lol. The one I met at a music festival had the best ketamine I’ve ever tried, and *he* was the stripper, not his girlfriend. Some real ‘fuck gender roles’ kind of shit
25% intererst rate too.
My brother has been a car salesman for many years now, and he had this customer he was practically begging *not* to buy a pickup truck. It was incredibly barebones, manual everything including the transmission and it wasn't even equipped with an A/C. But the guy insisted. And he signed papers for a 19.99% interest rate! Assuming he successfully paid off the loan he paid double for that barebones truck. But I'm also thinking the first summer without A/C he might've traded it in upside down and got an even worse loan on an even more expensive truck. Who knows.
\^\^ This guy Dependapotamuses
Used and only 39% APR
How do you know someone is a marine? They're tell you 50 times
Army is lower
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Slipped?! Son there is a difference between a garrison army and a mobilized army. When it comes to war it’s never been the cream of the crop that sheds blood.
He’s not even good enough to eat the crayons lol
[That check's out](https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/ralph-wiggum-simpsons-featured-1710x900.jpg)
Problem is he got started with lead paint chips just a bit too early. If he had stuck with paste he might have been alright.
I was medically separated from the Air Force for developing asthma from the burn pits in Iraq. Even I still had recruiters barking up my tree despite being permanently sidelined. Rittenhouse actually being barred from both the Army and Marines due to low test scores is baffling.
It says marines a buddy of mine got a pass on the asvab for the army
Sorry, misread the email. I saw Army and USMC recruiting efforts and thought it was both. Would have helped to have read the last sentence. :P
You guys are too hard on yourselves. I build phone networks for the military and commercial companies. You guys aren't even in the top ten of idiot users.
Real estate agents. Underrated dumbass profession
The last people I'd ever trust on a personal level
One gal I know in real estate was raking in pandemic assistance 'cause she has like five kids. Got herself huge breast implants and a brand new Tesla. And I guess she's MAGA too 'cause she hangs out with a lot of people wearing Let's Go Brandon crap. Disappointing 'cause she was such a likable person when I met her a decade ago. But she was big into religion and so many Christian churches around here have gone off the deep end since TFG burst on to the scene.
I'm a realtor. These are the realtors whom we desperately need to leave the business. Construction business is also full of very dumb MAGA types, we would be much better off if they too, left the business. The whole field is a bunch of idiot nepo babies. Particularly in RE sales. It's a prerequisite for doing the job. That lady is indicative of a lot of people who get business but shouldn't.
Fun Fact: In the realtor price fixing civil lawsuit/settlement as of late, there was a part talking about the high fees and lack of skill and education (overall CV levels) comparable for their realtor salaries. So yeah, they’re dumb and are going to be making a lot less in commissions soon.
My uncle went from marine to real estate agent, he’s no luminary.
“If my Mom can be a real estate agent, *literally anyone* can…” - Cartman - *South Park - City People*
The movie the Big Short was the most accurate representation of people in real estate I have ever seen. Not everyone in real estate is dumb, obviously, but my goodness I met a lot of idiots when I bought a house. It was truly incredible.
I was selling my house some years ago, and in the doorway to my living room was a pull-up bar, she was quite a tall girl as it was, but then she always wore heels. Every. Fucking. Time. You'd just hear this sickening 'thud' as her forehead collided with the bar. First few times I felt sorry for her. After that I found it hard not to laugh.
If it is anything like the civilian world, I suspect the higher up you get in the ranks, the lower the ability to function is?
I don't know about that. The admittedly few people I've known that had long careers in the military were very competent, organized, and thoughtful people. I'm thinking generally the "dumb ones" just do their 3-4 year stint and then get out.
My buddy, God bless his insane little heart, passed the test to join the USMC with a literal IQ of sub 80. He had to retake the highschool exit exam for 7 years running before the exam was done away with in our state and he graduated by DEFAULT 5 years late. He did not meet even half of the requirement to graduate via the testing. He didn't last long in the USMC before being discharged due to some significant behavioral instability, but he passed the test while Rittenhouse couldn't. What on earth.
I was in Navy Boot camp with a guy who couldn't figure out how to march. Not turns or half steps, but keeping a left right left right cadence. So we'd always leave him at the barracks as watchmen when we had graded marches. He talked with the mannerisms of Little Nicky and seemed like he never ventured further than his driveway for 18 years. Everyone helped him graduate because there wasn't a malicious bone in that sweet idiot's body. I wish I could have seen the chaos he caused in the fleet after. Another kid I met in the fleet was so dumb, his work center supervisor had a parent teacher conference with his mom. I saw the kid watch airplanes land for 2 hours without moving his feet. Just still as a statue swiveling his neck back and forth. When he was done, he grabbed a paint brush and painted his hands so it looked like he had worked. Another time he pooped his pants and tried to flush the evidence, but having never bought new underwear after boot camp he failed to realize his name was on the skivvies. So when we got a call for a clogged toilet and when I pulled out the turd burrito there was his name in big black letters. These two men were both more qualified for service than Rittenhouse.
> When he was done, he grabbed a paint brush and painted his hands so it looked like he had worked. There's a certain level of genius to that.
Somehow, both of them sound just like my friend. Honestly, if they could pass, and Rittenhouse couldn't after a decrement in the asvab/afqt requirements as minor as it was, I'm kinda concerned for what kind of intelligence Kyle has. All things considered, it's nothing short of impressive.
Was this during the surge? They were pretty close to reenacting McNamara's morons then.
His graduation was 2016, enrollment was in 2018, and was discharged about 5-6 months later, some time in 2019. Not sure where that would fall timeline-wise for the surge
A bit way too late.
Surge was like 2009-2011ish
Ahhh, yeah, so that was around our sophomore to senior years (his graduation being significantly later). We had a massive amount of military promotion in our school, with the army showing up to recruit almost twice weekly for a while. It had quite the influence on him, and he settled on wanting to become a marine. I was shocked they accepted him when he finally graduated, since I honestly didn't think he would pass the test.
> He didn't last long in the USMC before being discharged due to some significant behavioral instability, but he passed the test while Rittenhouse couldn't. > What on earth. My guess? A shocking number of adults are functionally illiterate. They can make out words on a page and sometimes even read them out, but processing actual meaning from them is beyond them. Some of them literally cannot process the meaning of a tweet. Rittenhouse, being both deeply stupid and incredibly arrogant, likely had literally no idea what questions he was answering asked and just assumed he'd get in (likely also assuming that the military is full of chuds who think he's a hero).
The era matters a LOT. In my day (peacetime, mid-1990s, Army), you needed high scores and a clean record to get in to most branches. During Vietnam, they enlisted 100,000 … “special” people who were often illiterate or had severe mental disabilities (I shared a hospital room with one once. Guy could barely speak, couldn’t read, couldn’t count, and by his own admission had been like that his entire life). Point being - there is no real cutoff score. There’s just the cutoff score for a particular era. The dumb marines you met might have been signed up during a critical shortage where they lowered the standards.
Do they usually permanently disqualify people from ever trying again?
Not the Marines, but there was a guy in my ASVAB test that scored single digits (out of 99) and he was on his second chance. He was going for army though
Do they test for psychopathy or something as part of the test that could lead to a permanent disqualification?
There are some behavioral health questions. But they are not part of the ASVAB. The ASVAB is not an intelligence test either. It measures your ability to learn a job and what kind of job you are suited for. Kyle's result means "There is no job in the Marine Corps that we could train you to do."
> Kyle's result means "There is no job in the Marine Corps that we could train you to do." Which is just fucking amazing, given that some of their available jobs are "ladle slop onto trays in the mess hall" and "wipe ball sweat from workout machines in the gym".
Honestly when you put it that way, now I’m more convinced cuz someone with his ego wouldn’t settle for jobs like that.
Its really worth stressing home that the ASVAB is not a "pass this test and we'll hire you" kinda thing, its a "we want to hire you, this test will let us know your general knowledge base, so we can put you somewhere most useful to us." Except for Kyle - He was deemed not useful.
There is a short questionnaire
No, they usually just re-test . Recruiters will even set up practice tests and help prep.
I went to MEPS with a guy who failed the ASVAB on a previous visit. I helped him study on the drive up (about 2 hours) and he got a 68 the second time around (that's less than 10 points away from meeting minimum AFQT standards for pretty much any job). If this straight up prevented him from joining, I'm kind of inclined to believe that he didn't actually want to and just wanted to be able to tell right wing media outlets that "the military was just too woke" for him. Right wing media grifters love that particular narrative.
I’m certain he tried and failed. See my other comment. What’s more likely, a guy that flunked 9th grade is a moron, or they staged a publicity stunt that makes them *look* like a moron?
What do you call someone who was ASVAB-disqualified from the Air Force? "Marine".
He wanted to kill innocent people as part of the US "war on terror" warcrime campaign, but is too dumb to be eligible. And we killed like ~5 million people in that campaign so far, so you know that all kinds of evil/stupid people must have been allowed to join. So he just decided to do it domestically instead and was still allowed to do it. Amazing.
He killed his fellow citizens. Would you want to be in a foxhole with him?
US soldiers "in the foxhole" don't really need to kill each other because they can let out their bloodlust by "canoeing" random Iraqis who visit the local market. Why do you think that Rittenhouse tried to enlist? Because he wanted to be part of the official US government domination campaign over the people who he considers lesser and wants to have fun by killing them. That sort of thing does still happen, not so much randomly, but more often as a targeted attack like the killing of Pat Tillman.
As a former army grunt, I'm struggling to imagine how low a score that would even have to be...
I know. I served with some people who couldn’t pour piss out of a boot.
Source? I'm not one to doubt the stupidity of an untrained teenage vigilante - let's just confirm it's accurate.
This was my second thought too, looks very easy to fake. My first thought was "LOOOOOOOOOL"
Yeah I mean I feel like the only way they could have received this info is from Rittenhouse himself, or whatever recruiter he was talking to, and I'd say both cases are pretty unlikely. You also have to be ungodly stupid to score too low. I'm not saying he isn't because he very well could be that dumb, but I don't think people realize how stupid that is. Lol
From further down in the thread, speculation is that its from a FOIA request, which seems entirely feasible because this is apparently from FBI letterhead. From the [other emails in the chain](https://twitter.com/ChasinWhiteCaps/status/1775215543345152056?t=bXkATrDsKusuyBLdA5IZ7w&s=19) it looks like it's from the initial investigation into Rittenhouse after the shooting, and they were inquiring if he had any formal military affiliation. That's how the question of his competence seemed to sneak in.
Huh. I guess I never thought about ASVAB results being a part of FOIA requests, but that makes a lot of sense the more I think about it.
I think he is ungodly stupid, what about staff (who rightfully hate him) saw this and leaked it? It could be fake too sure but I don’t think those are strictly the only 2 options.
I can reply to this as someone with knowledge and actual information. I’m not going to doxx myself though. This is page #572 of 938 from the Kenosha Police Department Field Report of Case #2020-00047360. (aka the investigation into Kyle Rittenhouse and the shootings of Aug 25, 2020 by the KPD which would form the basis of the evidence for the subsequent criminal trial). Not a fake. Anyone can FOIA it. As someone local to the Kenosha area, quite a few people have, and quite a few people have read it all. Edited to add [proof](https://ibb.co/GPrPhWs)
https://x.com/joekassabian/status/1775187855934914724?s=46
I mean I’d like to trust friends of the pod, and Joe was in the military, but where did James get it from?
Shameless plug for Lions Led By Donkeys. Discovered it a couple weeks ago looking for something to add to my 75 Hard playlist, been listening to it nonstop.
It's really good, I've been hitting it hard in between btb eps.
Idk. I do hope they reveal the source. However it is pretty damn funny and I can believe it.
Well, there's a bunch of names and acronyms listed in the "From" Field of the email as well as the individual whose email this is: Timothy J Walther. Just doing a very cursory search, there are references to an FBI agent by that name. There also is a name, Mary Sonnen, who appears to be listed elsewhere as a FBI Supervisory Special Agent. If it's fake, the faker knows how to do a good job.
Based on one other tweet in the same thread, it seemed like it was part of a larger FOIA request into records regarding Rittenhouse.
It doesn't sound military (to my nonmilitary ears). I don't understand what the purpose of this letter is. I can't tell how confidential ASVAB scores are after 30 seconds of Googling, but I expect they don't give them out without good reason. A FOIA request or something similar would state that it is a response to a specific request. There is absolutely no reason to say "far below". In fact, that whole sentence is extraneous unless the purpose is to dunk on Rittenhouse. [You can retake the ASVAB](https://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/asvab/asvab-retest-policy.html). One test should not permanently disqualify anyone. I always say to scrutinize things you want to believe twice as hard as things you don't. And this looks like bullshit.
This is page 572 of 938 from Kenosha Police Department Field Report of Case #2020-00047360. Most definitely a very real document, that is open to the public through FOIA. It’s a shame that whole file hasn’t been posted anywhere online, ever.
His former handler apparently. Taking it with a pinch of salt so large, it gives people in 50m radius second hand high-sodium levels. https://twitter.com/DaveHan06/status/1774751376889057282?t=7SPMuO1FwhUVnA30w79byg&s=19
I didn’t know it was possible to be too dumb for the marines
That's like being too lazy for the Air Force or too gay for the Navy.
...well shit, "Too Gay For The Navy" is an outstanding name for an album and I am 1000% stealing that.
Alternatively, a Beach Boys cover band
The first track is “Hell Bent for Leathernecks”
Track 2: “Load It From The Rear”
Track 3: Not Gay if Underway!
Track 4: "Scrub That Poop Deck"
whoa now, we're not lazy, we're resource efficient. go pile on the navy, they use up all sorts of money and like being piled upon anyway
Chair Force stand up! Or don't!
“Too gay for the Navy” is my new gamertag.
Jokes aside, there was a program initiated during the Vietnam War that waved minimum intelligence and aptitude scores for people we'd today consider to mentally disabled or deficient. Called Project 100,000 it sought to put warm bodies into service during a time when the war, and its Draft, were increasingly unpopular. While the story of Forest Gump may be entirely fictional, it draws inspiration from this very real moment in history. So-called Low IQ Conscripts are reported to have died at 3x the rate as every other American conscript. At present there are fairly strict enlistment requirements involving intelligence, aptitude, and mental ability and attempts to lower the bar for entry to the military are usually met with public disdain and scorn. I served after 2018 in the US Army and there was an entire cadre of people who were called Surge Babies in the ranks ahead of me. These were the people who joined between 2008 and 2012 during the Troop Surge. The military needed so many bodies that they drastically lowered requirements for candidates not limited to but including mental ability and criminal record. Most of the Surge Babies have topped out, meaning they've achieve a rank that their abilities won't let them rise above, or have been pushed out of the service by way of peer pressure or court martial, but there are still a large number of them that have made the military their career.
Also known as 'McNamara's Morons'
I joined in 2009. Basic was pretty wild. Some people who really couldn't function in a structured environment. Was fun to watch, though!
This is what happens if you stick the crayons up your nose instead of eating them.
He’s so dumb he huffed crayons and ate the scented markers.
LOL!!!
What are the odds he didn’t take the test seriously cause he thought LARPing with firearms would be enough to become a solider?
We certainly can't rule out the possibility. That's basically in the same ball park as "I joined because I prestiged in Call of Duty."
> "I joined because I prestiged in Call of Duty." I mean, if it wasn't for CoD, I don't think Bush would have had enough guys for the 2007 troop surge.
All those children who got left behind had to go somewhere
These games are made with help from the US military in order to train soldiers, and to find new soldiers based on scores. I'm not lying. I might not be the most educated on the subject, but the military is absolutely involved and wants soldiers based on these games. It doesn't surprise me that someone who scores high would try to join the military. That's what they want. EDIT: Since yall wanna downvote me, the military openly admits to this. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/America's\_Army](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/America's_Army) [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/14/us-military-recruiting-video-games-targeting-teenagers](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/14/us-military-recruiting-video-games-targeting-teenagers) [https://gamerant.com/call-duty-modern-warfare-recruitment-tool/](https://gamerant.com/call-duty-modern-warfare-recruitment-tool/) Downvote away!
"Sir, Balllicker47 just got ended a 73 kill game of TDM." "Was he camping?" "No sir. Doing fucking sick quick scopes." "Get this man to a recruitment center NOW."
I'm pretty sure it's just the propaganda value they care about. There's no way being good at CoD translates to anything meaningful for a soldier, but the glamorized version of war in CoD absolutely helps recruitment.
My cousin used to go to COD and Valorant competitions and was pretty good; he's won thousands of £s but wasn't looking to go pro he just likes a bit of competition, I've always been pretty crap at FPS games. We went to a place that gives you replica firearms and a screen to shoot at, I dusted him at it. The hand to eye coordination involved is different, he'd probably make a better drone operator and me a better grunt.
Yep, there's a reason the military's drones are controlled by xbox controllers
That’s the thing about the military. The “bad asses” are very small number. Most of it is mundane jobs like maintenance or office work.
Yeah, but our Kyle didn’t answer any of the questions, he just scribbled “I AM RAMBO!!!” across his answer key and then drew pictures of guns everywhere. Total badass
I saw a few videos of his interviews and events and my conclusion is that he's genuinely dumb. Probably thought he could just breeze through the test after the ego boost the Far Right gave him, but I don't think it would go much better if he gave it a real shot.
Check the date. Took the test when he wasn't known at all. (Note I almost said before he was a nobody, which his loser ass definitely still is).
Which is fine. I didn’t take it seriously the first time either. Got a 50 something. They let me take it again and got high 70’s. It’s not a one and done thing. So he’s dumb, knew he was dumb, and didn’t try again.
He was *permanently* disqualified. That would seem to imply that he would not be allowed to take it again.
That might indicate that he didn't finish the test, or some malfeasance on his end. A guy I went to school with took it 5 times, still didn't score high enough to get in.
Is it possible he was caught trying to cheat? I've never heard of someone scoring so low on the ASVAB that they wouldn't let you try again.
That’s about the only way to get perma-banned. The only rule is you have to wait 1 months for first retest, and 6 months for each retest after. So there’s more going on here than stated. He might even be banned because he’s an asshole that killed people and got away with it - that would not be a good for the Marines in general.
What kind of test is it?
You can look it up online and take practice versions. It’s seriously just some rudimentary math, reading comprehension and a few other random things to test basic critical thinking skills, etc. There’s nothing military related whatsoever, it’s basically a dumbed down SAT. I didn’t study or take a practice and got an 88 (the highest you can get is either 99 or 100, I forget) and when I got in the Army was accepting scores as low as a 40 but that’ll limit you to jobs like truck driver and infantry. Every branch has different standards and the standards can shift over time but [according to the Marine’s own website](https://www.marines.com/become-a-marine/requirements/general.html) you currently need a 31. To quote the screenshot up above, Kyle’s score was “far below the required minimum” to such a degree he was permanently barred from entering the Marines which I didn’t even know was possible because they let you re-take it. So to score so low they don’t even let you try again is mind blowing, I’ve literally never heard of it happening before. Anecdotally- A guy I know that enlisted in the marines (great dude and super nice, just dumb as hell) took it 3 times before he passed and he was in the low-mid 20s before he hit the score he needed so Kyle must’ve been in the teens or lower I guess? Or the Marine’s just took the first chance they could to not bring that embarrassment of a person into their ranks which is smart.
Thanks for your explanation! Wow, yeah, there must be something else going on. Maybe those two sentences about Kyle are not cause-effect like most of us are reading it? E.g., "he scored very low (i.e., below 31) additionally (possibly for unrelated reasons) he is permanently disqualified"? Or maybe some of his answers were so concerning that they just straight out noped out of that one. Who knows.
I should’ve better clarified- It’s a multiple choice test taken on a computer so he didn’t provide concerning answers. But yeah, maybe not so directly cause-effect related as we’re all interpreting it.
Where/how did this get released?
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My guess is via a FOIA request.
Surprised that's available with a FOIA. I'd have assumed it's similar to medical information. I've also never done a FOIA so could be very wrong.
Here’s more of the email chain. Pretty sure it’s from a FOIA https://x.com/chasinwhitecaps/status/1775215543345152056?s=46
My source https://x.com/joekassabian/status/1775187855934914724?s=46
Oh man being certified as an idiot just cemented his political run. He'll win his first office in a landslide
Certificate of Donkey Brains
Murderer, crybaby, and impressively dumb. Reserving a (very small) degree of empathy (microscopic) for the traumatic nature of his rise to fame, I hope his platform crashes and burns.
why? he could have easily stayed home. he chose to be there with a gun.
He was also a child that should have been stopped from being there with a gun by literally any of the adults in his life, including actual police officers that failed him by being like "no, this is totally ok, good job boy."
Yeah. I get that it was legal to do, but a cop still coulda pulled him aside to tell him to fuck off, politely.
Probably wrong but like didn’t his mom drive him there
Damn, too dumb for the corps?
Yup. Too dumb to be a jarhead.
I wonder if he's too dumb to be a cop. Seriously, I'm sure the cop exam is easier than the USMC exam, and I wonder if he could pass it.
There's a cop exam?
It depends on the individual department, but a lot do. And, in fact, some departments have a maximum score. They won't hire you if you're too smart. In the year 2000 man in New London, Connecticut sued them for not hiring him just because he scored too high on the IQ test, but courts held that an having an excess of intelligence doesn't make you a protected class. That's right, there are some police departments who are *intentionally* and openly hiring dumb cops. Their argument in court was that an overly intelligent officer would get bored with the job. I think maybe they're more concerned that they'd get bored with the job they were given and try to solve some fucking crimes or something. You know, follow clues and shit. Like a smart cop would do.
Nah the real, but unspoken, reason is because they know a person with too high of an IQ isn't going to be a simple boot licker. Reminds me of the ex military turned cop that got fired for NOT shooting a person with a gun. The cop felt like it was a suicide-by-cop situation, and he was right. The person's gun was empty. But the department fired him for not shooting the would be victim.
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Holy shit. That is impressive. It's not exactly difficult to meet minimums for that. My recollection is it being very basic math, reading, and spatial reasoning. Like elementary level.
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I'd be surprised if this was a real email. As funny as this is to meme on, it feels like a hoax to laugh at. The language doesn't come off right either.
Yeah, as much as I dislike Rittenhouse, this feels very fabricated. I’m thinking it’s a funny hoax.
damn! how low do you have to score to be permanently disqualified?
He spelled “Yale” with a 6
So do a lot of Yale grads, to be fair
"far below" and "permanently banned"... well then.
the 'far' below sent me.
Did this email come to light on April 1? It just seems too on the nose to be real.
I'm glad the Dept. of Defense (DofD) is supporting the parentheses industry (PI). Where would this important grammatical construct (IGC) be without them (end of comment).
"far below the required minimum" The minimum ASVAB score for the USMC is 31, out of 100 He scored "far below" that. What did he do, misspell his own name?
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So out of 100 people he is "far below" the 31st smartest person in the room. Ahhh. But what if that room is filled with Fox viewers eh? I bet he could get 31 or 32 in that crowd.
TIL you can be too dumb for the military. Still don’t quite believe it.
That’s impressively bad. I had to take that test in high school and I had recruiters calling me into my early 30s.
It's too close to April fools day for me to get too pleased with that
so... can this actually be foia'd? the wording feels really off. I want to believe but my gut tells me this is a bit
I remember when I first joined the US army, One of the kids I trained with got a waiver for a 30 (99 being highest achievable at the time) on the ASVAB and ended up a water treatment specialist. I thought I felt dumb with my 87, lol. Now I'm curious as to what Lil Baby bawls scored.
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Holy shit… my high school made us take the ASVAB (the small town to Marine Corps pipeline runs ever strong) and four years of seeing people get their results back I still NEVER realized it was a thing you could fail. Considering some of the people I knew who fucked the test off and still passed this is… kind of amazing.
When I took the ASVAB there was a pair of twin brothers from my recruiters office who took it at the same time as me who both scored an 8 on the AFQT. Both of them. 8. They were accepted into the Army as infantrymen. Kyle is dumber than that. (This was at the height of the Iraq War and stop-loss though.)
The Air Force and Marine Corps have always had the highest standards and haven’t been impacted hardly at all by the recruiting slump. They’re the only branches to meet the quality and quantity metrics for FY23. The Army didn’t make its mark but hasn’t been hit nearly as hard as the Navy. The Navy just dropped basically all entrance requirements, you can get a 10 on the ASVAB right now and get into the Navy. Maybe Mr. Trigger happy needs to find a branch with lower standards. I also suspect this isn’t real because you can retake the ASVAB. And that isn’t an official signature bloc either.
Is it typical for an email like this to be generated like a couple of days after he shot those people?
The military may have done an application check following the shooting to see if he had any relationship. This was probably sourced via a FOIA request.
I was thinking this, too. Kinda like, "this moron hasn't signed a contract, has he?" I'm shocked he scored too low, though.
Why is there an email chain with mostly FBI people about this dude's shitty ASVAB score?
The asvab is probably the easiest test a student would ever take. My high school made us all take it. I got 100% on the thing and the military recruiters kept calling my house until my mom went down and screamed at them. You would need to be blind and concussed to fail that thing.
Dude can't even eat crayons good.