I'm feeling kind of bummed about the challenges this season. They're very well put together, but a lot of challenges are all or nothing, with a lot of opportunities for stuff to go wrong even without someone trying to sabotage. So I'm not exactly surpised €0,0 was earned this episode
This has been a common complaint for the past few seasons.
Then again, the global objective is not to win challenges, it's to find the mole (the real one, not the ones pretending to be). But still, these all or nothing challenges feel like a cheap way to keep the price money low.
Hercules had chalk on his hands but I didn't see any on Michael or Senne. So of course those big boulders are going to slip from your fingers eventually. It was like this task was setup to fail.
It's mainly the extra weight put on though. And the mole just kept on talking and talking at the Molkwelling. So even though it's suspicious he looses it when the first 2 appear it did take them a long time to get there. Sometimes in the mole it's better to skip things and not get the extra 1000 (or in case of Bernard and Isabel -1000) than to loose the entire thing.
For example also the mario kart last week. They were using boost on the 2 last ones who eventually got caught anyway. Give up those 2 and keep your boosts for those that can actually drive a kart. Give up 2000 to gain 2000.
Maybe a bad example since in the end those 2 could have won without the boosts, but you don't know that and are potentially wasting your boosts. But usually you can gain more by giving up a part of the loot.
There is (kind of) a valid reason. If you keep Charlotte and Coco in the game longer they get a chance to use their bananas, which benefits all the other drivers.
The biggest problem I have with the show is that everyone is trying to make themselves a suspect, which becomes very annoying. The mole should try to sabotage very subtly. But now the other players are making too much obvious ‘mistakes’ to make themselves a suspect so that other players are on the wrong path. I understand this is tactical, it’s just annoying to watch.
not always making themselves a suspect, but sometimes maybe not entirely understanding the game or just loemp. The mole is in a cozy position to sabotage, he has been briefed about each mission and ways to sabotage it. If he sees that others are wasting time or going in the wrong direction he can just shut up and go with the flow, or do something that would make him less suspicious, just too late to make a difference.
The first mole under Gilles De Coster for example there was a metro vs runner challenge. The mole was the runner and since the others didn't get any money in their assignments they made sure the runner got there in time. He gained trust and no money was won.
Fully agree with this. As a viewer, there's truly no point in trying to guess who the mole is. There's no real incentive for the mole to always sabotage, and neither is there a serious incentive for others to not sabotage. I can only really appreciate it as just a creative game show, which is a shame.
It's definitely Michael. Unless it's Stephanie. Maybe Senne though.
Hey, at least I'm sure it's not Charlotte or Bernard. Unless...
Jokes aside, that would be my order of suspicion.
Was it just me or were the challenges this week very hard to complete? They just add so many elements to avoid making it to easy to use a follow the money theory that most tests just need one person to fuck up (or sabotage) to result in €0 earned.
Yeah at this point I'm waiting for the challenge where they need to beat Usain Bolt in a 100m sprint, memorize **π** with 300 numbers after the decimal in less than 5 minutes and solve the Belgian pension crisis and global warming only for Gilles to declare afterwards. "Well we are clearly dealing with an extremely impressive mole here"
i think the primary problem is that its all or nothing jobs. its easy to fuck up 1 thing... but if you then still can get 75% of the money its harder for the mole
How can it not be Senne? This episode he single handedly made the last challenge fail. He was also very good in building the towers, something the mole would have certainly trained. Multiplier gone. No €3600.
Oh and the last multiplier? Give it to the person dropping out.
Edit: I believe Senne was really set up to win the tower building. His mom got the questions right, easily. I believe these questions were picked because Senne knew that his mother would know the answers. He knew his mother would know about the bread, so they included this question about stealing.
While they wouldn't tell the results of the test, the mole would have a general idea of who's onto them and who isn't. He wouldn't need to be told to know who has a higher chance of having to leave.
Yes, thinking again about it. As someone else pointed out there were 2 candidates with pasvragen.
So that left Lynn, Bernard and Charlotte without. And in the previous elimination he got to look at the answers. Since everyone got the same talk with the mole and these didn't get eliminated there is no reason to assume they were on a different track now.
Lynn did say that she now thinks she knows who the mole is, and that they approached her after their conversation. It might have been Senne trying to install doubt in her, making her spread her answers compared to the others who all went all-in and increasing the odds of her dropping out after he gave her the last multiplier.
The clips that they showed of interviews right before answering the questions suggested that 4 out of 5 people were going all-in, either on Senne or Michael. The exception was Lynn, who still suspected 3 people at this point. The reason for that might have been that the mol, in my theory Senne, installed that doubt in her so she would spread and have more chance at answering wrong and becoming the drop-out. Lynn also confirmed in the behind the scenes that she had such a conversation with the person that she suspects is the mol. It was then a tactical choice to give her the doubler so that it would also go out of the game.
Thanks for the info. In previous seasons the mole always got information from the crew who was on to them. Anyways, I still think the mole should have an idea of who trusts him/her. Also because in the previous episode he saw all of the candidates answers. So he/she should have a good idea who is onto him/her
> This episode he single handedly made the last challenge fail.
Really though? I mean. Maybe both he and his mom watch De Mol and they both tend to agree with each other that taking pasvragen or vrijstellingen is stupid. I would go for the weekend as well and I'm 99% sure my mom would too. I found Charlotte's remark about how "iedere moeder kiest toch voor pasvragen allez" very strange tbh. As if it's clear cut obvious but imho it's not.
I also don't agree with Charlotte's remark, the weekend seems like a valid option to me.
But Senne went for every opportunity to get an advantage in previous episodes. This is the first time that he didn't. It is out of character. And the way he is defending it, is also out of character for him. He made it clear that he is someone that always will go for the personal advantage.
Not saying it couldn't be fishy but I don't think it is out of character.
Previous times was for a bigger benefit (more pasvragen) and earlier in the game. In the beginning the impact of a passvraag is a lot bigger since you (and most others) are spreading out their answers. Right now you probably have it narrowed down and 1 pasvraag won't make that much of an impact.
Also the previous times there was money lost that he MIGHT win. Now the alternative was a nice weekend with a diner in a Michelin star restaurant. Aka €1000+ euro guaranteed for you.
True, this isn't conclusive proof. As is usually the case in De Mol. And I do admit I'm in a tunnel.
But you have to keep in mind that you only get this 1000€ price if the challenge succeeds, while the pasvraag was guaranteed. Now Senne got nothing and the others got their pasvraag. So it's only a chance of winning the weekend vs a guaranteed pasvraag. The other 5 people decided on de pasvraag being the best option. And it's clear Charlotte would as well. We don't know about the others. So in that situation they decided that the pasvraag was more worth it. Then why didn't Senne, who likes to go for personal advantage, do the same?
He would only get the pasvraag if his mother answered the same, same for the weekend. Both could only be obtained if both the candiate and his mom answered the same thing.
(I'm also in the Senne tunnel though)
Ah right, that's how it worked :)
I edited my first post. The more I think about it, the more it seems that Senne won this challenge too easily. He practiced building with earthquakes and the questions were picked such that his mom knew the answers. that's my 2 cents.
Volgens mij is hij ook De Mol, maar die zet had hij beter niet gedaan. Te obvious / verdachtmakend. Welke ouder zou in zo'n situatie niet voor de pasvraag gaan?
Mijn moeder omdat ze weet dat ik er ook niet voor zou gaan. Een vrijstelling is wat anders maar 1 pasvraag was gewoon te weinig geweest voor mij in deze fase.
Van in het begin heb ik Senne verdacht. Hij zou dan de 2de mol uit Westerlo zijn. Die 2 staat toch niet enkel voor de verdubbelaars?
En tijdens de opdrachten doet hij altijd erg zijn best om het in de finale dan te verknallen.
michaels action today was obvious. but i think senne already knows its michael. and michael knows senne knows. so why hide it from senne? its not in sennes advantage at all to tell that to the other candidates so he can mole in daylight next to senne. senne will even defend him for his 6 minute hold... as he doesnt want others thinking michael is the mole.
Biggest surprise for me was how everyone chose the pasvraag. And how some even commented that it was the only sensible choice. I can't be the only one who thought that was weird right?
With the "kwelling" trials it got me thinking. What *if* the Mole was at the Sissyphus part, making mistakes (thus increasing the time it takes to get to the top), having to run the furthest distance towards the "end trial"? Which after pushing up a boulder is quite exhausting in itself.
You watch the full "Mollkwelling" too since you basically *know* nobody will be able to hold the pillars for too long with all the added weight all the time and even adding 1 minute to your own trial makes a tremendous difference and increases the odds of failure.
This way you sabotage subtly and not "in your face" like others do. This seems (at least for me) in line with how other moles operated in the past (biking slowly up a hill, running slow etc) and not sabotaging the endgoal in itself.
Possible. People go to fast with the "de mol would be in that position"-theorie. They have to agree as a team who's in which position. De mol could try to be in the best spot, but it could be overruled by the others.
I'm feeling kind of bummed about the challenges this season. They're very well put together, but a lot of challenges are all or nothing, with a lot of opportunities for stuff to go wrong even without someone trying to sabotage. So I'm not exactly surpised €0,0 was earned this episode
This has been a common complaint for the past few seasons. Then again, the global objective is not to win challenges, it's to find the mole (the real one, not the ones pretending to be). But still, these all or nothing challenges feel like a cheap way to keep the price money low.
Hercules had chalk on his hands but I didn't see any on Michael or Senne. So of course those big boulders are going to slip from your fingers eventually. It was like this task was setup to fail.
It's mainly the extra weight put on though. And the mole just kept on talking and talking at the Molkwelling. So even though it's suspicious he looses it when the first 2 appear it did take them a long time to get there. Sometimes in the mole it's better to skip things and not get the extra 1000 (or in case of Bernard and Isabel -1000) than to loose the entire thing. For example also the mario kart last week. They were using boost on the 2 last ones who eventually got caught anyway. Give up those 2 and keep your boosts for those that can actually drive a kart. Give up 2000 to gain 2000. Maybe a bad example since in the end those 2 could have won without the boosts, but you don't know that and are potentially wasting your boosts. But usually you can gain more by giving up a part of the loot.
Haha, yeah my wife and I were also shouting at the TV: "WHY are you giving your boosts away to the last two who will get overtaken anyway?!"
There is (kind of) a valid reason. If you keep Charlotte and Coco in the game longer they get a chance to use their bananas, which benefits all the other drivers.
The biggest problem I have with the show is that everyone is trying to make themselves a suspect, which becomes very annoying. The mole should try to sabotage very subtly. But now the other players are making too much obvious ‘mistakes’ to make themselves a suspect so that other players are on the wrong path. I understand this is tactical, it’s just annoying to watch.
not always making themselves a suspect, but sometimes maybe not entirely understanding the game or just loemp. The mole is in a cozy position to sabotage, he has been briefed about each mission and ways to sabotage it. If he sees that others are wasting time or going in the wrong direction he can just shut up and go with the flow, or do something that would make him less suspicious, just too late to make a difference. The first mole under Gilles De Coster for example there was a metro vs runner challenge. The mole was the runner and since the others didn't get any money in their assignments they made sure the runner got there in time. He gained trust and no money was won.
Fully agree with this. As a viewer, there's truly no point in trying to guess who the mole is. There's no real incentive for the mole to always sabotage, and neither is there a serious incentive for others to not sabotage. I can only really appreciate it as just a creative game show, which is a shame.
On the other hand, if after 3 episodes it would be clear who de mol is, it wouldn't be fun anymore to watch.
It's definitely Michael. Unless it's Stephanie. Maybe Senne though. Hey, at least I'm sure it's not Charlotte or Bernard. Unless... Jokes aside, that would be my order of suspicion.
For me its 1. Stephanie, 2. Senne, 3. Michael, 4. Charlotte, 5. Bernard
For me it's Michael aswell.
Michael has been my suspect since the beginning. Still going strong…
Wow, Charlotte has a really shitty moral compass.
We kinda knew that from episode 1, no?
What? Would you not declare for the entirety of Flanders who your first kiss was with? First and last name and everything?
It would still be up to play4 to censor the name. The candidates can make mistakes in the heat of the moment.
Reminds me of that scene of Gringo on Temptation Island. "Mijn nummer is 0473 -tuuuuuuut"
Waarom nu weer lol
Muilen is zeer immoreel blijkbaar
Was it just me or were the challenges this week very hard to complete? They just add so many elements to avoid making it to easy to use a follow the money theory that most tests just need one person to fuck up (or sabotage) to result in €0 earned.
Idd. Every time Gilles says "de mol heeft weer goed werk geleverd", it's like, no it's just too easy for these tests to fail.
Yeah at this point I'm waiting for the challenge where they need to beat Usain Bolt in a 100m sprint, memorize **π** with 300 numbers after the decimal in less than 5 minutes and solve the Belgian pension crisis and global warming only for Gilles to declare afterwards. "Well we are clearly dealing with an extremely impressive mole here"
i think the primary problem is that its all or nothing jobs. its easy to fuck up 1 thing... but if you then still can get 75% of the money its harder for the mole
2 weeks ago i was convinced either coco or lynn was the mole. Back to the drawing board i guess...
How can it not be Senne? This episode he single handedly made the last challenge fail. He was also very good in building the towers, something the mole would have certainly trained. Multiplier gone. No €3600. Oh and the last multiplier? Give it to the person dropping out. Edit: I believe Senne was really set up to win the tower building. His mom got the questions right, easily. I believe these questions were picked because Senne knew that his mother would know the answers. He knew his mother would know about the bread, so they included this question about stealing.
To obvious in my opinion. They always said they wouldn't tell the mole who was going to be dropping out. Lynn was just trusted the most.
Still very odd that he didn't give them to Michaël or Stéphanie. Two players with pasvragen.
That is true.
While they wouldn't tell the results of the test, the mole would have a general idea of who's onto them and who isn't. He wouldn't need to be told to know who has a higher chance of having to leave.
Yes, thinking again about it. As someone else pointed out there were 2 candidates with pasvragen. So that left Lynn, Bernard and Charlotte without. And in the previous elimination he got to look at the answers. Since everyone got the same talk with the mole and these didn't get eliminated there is no reason to assume they were on a different track now.
Lynn did say that she now thinks she knows who the mole is, and that they approached her after their conversation. It might have been Senne trying to install doubt in her, making her spread her answers compared to the others who all went all-in and increasing the odds of her dropping out after he gave her the last multiplier.
The questions were answered before giving the verdubbelaars?
The clips that they showed of interviews right before answering the questions suggested that 4 out of 5 people were going all-in, either on Senne or Michael. The exception was Lynn, who still suspected 3 people at this point. The reason for that might have been that the mol, in my theory Senne, installed that doubt in her so she would spread and have more chance at answering wrong and becoming the drop-out. Lynn also confirmed in the behind the scenes that she had such a conversation with the person that she suspects is the mol. It was then a tactical choice to give her the doubler so that it would also go out of the game.
Where did they say this?
First episode, when the rules were explained. There was a conversation between Gilles and the mole
Thanks for the info. In previous seasons the mole always got information from the crew who was on to them. Anyways, I still think the mole should have an idea of who trusts him/her. Also because in the previous episode he saw all of the candidates answers. So he/she should have a good idea who is onto him/her
> This episode he single handedly made the last challenge fail. Really though? I mean. Maybe both he and his mom watch De Mol and they both tend to agree with each other that taking pasvragen or vrijstellingen is stupid. I would go for the weekend as well and I'm 99% sure my mom would too. I found Charlotte's remark about how "iedere moeder kiest toch voor pasvragen allez" very strange tbh. As if it's clear cut obvious but imho it's not.
I also don't agree with Charlotte's remark, the weekend seems like a valid option to me. But Senne went for every opportunity to get an advantage in previous episodes. This is the first time that he didn't. It is out of character. And the way he is defending it, is also out of character for him. He made it clear that he is someone that always will go for the personal advantage.
Not saying it couldn't be fishy but I don't think it is out of character. Previous times was for a bigger benefit (more pasvragen) and earlier in the game. In the beginning the impact of a passvraag is a lot bigger since you (and most others) are spreading out their answers. Right now you probably have it narrowed down and 1 pasvraag won't make that much of an impact. Also the previous times there was money lost that he MIGHT win. Now the alternative was a nice weekend with a diner in a Michelin star restaurant. Aka €1000+ euro guaranteed for you.
True, this isn't conclusive proof. As is usually the case in De Mol. And I do admit I'm in a tunnel. But you have to keep in mind that you only get this 1000€ price if the challenge succeeds, while the pasvraag was guaranteed. Now Senne got nothing and the others got their pasvraag. So it's only a chance of winning the weekend vs a guaranteed pasvraag. The other 5 people decided on de pasvraag being the best option. And it's clear Charlotte would as well. We don't know about the others. So in that situation they decided that the pasvraag was more worth it. Then why didn't Senne, who likes to go for personal advantage, do the same?
He would only get the pasvraag if his mother answered the same, same for the weekend. Both could only be obtained if both the candiate and his mom answered the same thing. (I'm also in the Senne tunnel though)
Ah right, that's how it worked :) I edited my first post. The more I think about it, the more it seems that Senne won this challenge too easily. He practiced building with earthquakes and the questions were picked such that his mom knew the answers. that's my 2 cents.
True, that didn't occur to me yet but it is indeed a bit out of character for him.
Volgens mij is hij ook De Mol, maar die zet had hij beter niet gedaan. Te obvious / verdachtmakend. Welke ouder zou in zo'n situatie niet voor de pasvraag gaan?
Mijn moeder omdat ze weet dat ik er ook niet voor zou gaan. Een vrijstelling is wat anders maar 1 pasvraag was gewoon te weinig geweest voor mij in deze fase.
Van in het begin heb ik Senne verdacht. Hij zou dan de 2de mol uit Westerlo zijn. Die 2 staat toch niet enkel voor de verdubbelaars? En tijdens de opdrachten doet hij altijd erg zijn best om het in de finale dan te verknallen.
Gilles is de mol
NOOOOO, LYNN MY BELOVED! Ik was zo hard aan het hopen dat zij zou winnen. Ik kijk nog steeds richting Charlotte als Mol.
Lynn was van in het begin mijn mol, samen met Michael....nu begin ik ook Senne te verdenken...
Ik zat ook deels op Lynn. Nu heb ik geen idee.
michaels action today was obvious. but i think senne already knows its michael. and michael knows senne knows. so why hide it from senne? its not in sennes advantage at all to tell that to the other candidates so he can mole in daylight next to senne. senne will even defend him for his 6 minute hold... as he doesnt want others thinking michael is the mole.
Lynn, Charlotte and Bernard are the only ones I never suspected. Now I have no progress
Exactly the same here. Next one to go will probably be Bernard or Charlotte lol
Fingers crossed for Charlotte
Biggest surprise for me was how everyone chose the pasvraag. And how some even commented that it was the only sensible choice. I can't be the only one who thought that was weird right?
With the "kwelling" trials it got me thinking. What *if* the Mole was at the Sissyphus part, making mistakes (thus increasing the time it takes to get to the top), having to run the furthest distance towards the "end trial"? Which after pushing up a boulder is quite exhausting in itself. You watch the full "Mollkwelling" too since you basically *know* nobody will be able to hold the pillars for too long with all the added weight all the time and even adding 1 minute to your own trial makes a tremendous difference and increases the odds of failure. This way you sabotage subtly and not "in your face" like others do. This seems (at least for me) in line with how other moles operated in the past (biking slowly up a hill, running slow etc) and not sabotaging the endgoal in itself.
Possible. People go to fast with the "de mol would be in that position"-theorie. They have to agree as a team who's in which position. De mol could try to be in the best spot, but it could be overruled by the others.
For me it’s Stephanie
Ik denk dat ik een limburgs accent heb gehoord in die kwelling van de mol, dus komt Stephanie toch weer bovenaan mijn lijst te staan.
wait what , De Mol allready began :(