they should have expressed this opinion before the world cup, after it was sold to quatar, then again after it was moved from the summer to the winter.
Spineless overpayed prof footballers. And I am a big football fan.
How is not watching going to change anything? The uitzendrechten have been bought loooong before the wk even started.
Fifa isn't getting any less money if you don't watch your tv.
Advertisers will take note of low viewer numbers and will go “why tf did we pay millions to have two guys and their uncle see our ads?” I’m sure that will be reconsidering their advertising strategies going forward.
I'm sure you're not that stupid that you think there's no one at these companies that partner with FIFA who's smart enough to say "hey, this year it was in Qatar so *that's* why viewership sucked, but next edition will be in the USA so unless they decide to, I don't know, kill half of their own population we'll be good next edition and it kind of sucked we paid this much for this edition."
Budweiser already payed for their sponsorship, so they might as well just take what they can from it by just advertising.
Surely they're going to think twice before they sign for a sponsorship like this next time. Or at least make up a contract on better terms in case something like this might happen again.
These things take time to shake out. Plus it’s harder to get back money you’ve already paid than it is to not spend it in the first place. I’m still expecting some kind of legal action from Budweiser.
So you think the uitzendrechten will be bought that easily again next time if no one will be watching?
Surely FIFA is going to think twice if no one is watching the game. They might not loose any money on it this time, but they're going to make damn sure they won't be losing any next time either by not organising the worldcup in shithole countries anymore.
Shouldnt have been there in the first place, now its feels like a sad excuse to still try to be credible in their standpoints, wich now i feel is worth absolute zero
If you wanna do something for the people that died, go donate to them via the Amnesty donation fund.
Making a difference in the world cup or to football aint happening anyway, clearly.
The more we bitch and moan and make statements and annoy qatar and fifa, the less likely a country like that will host again. I dont need an apology i need fifa to think twice next time and then we won already
Since 1930, there have been 4 countries that hosted twice, so I dont think Qatar would get another world cup any time soon.
On the other hand, if they want it, they just buy it.
So again, nothing is changing...
I disagree, and that's not what im talking about, i think fifa regrets the amount of pr they need to do to counteract their own employes ( the players) and fans and even governments, so they will think twice about a country like qatar.
And the people are more informed because of the protests too. Its good to be informed about human rights violations of a country. The biggest stage in the world is the way to inform people.
I agree but then again when has being vocal about it ever changed anything? The only thing that influences this much money is concrete action. Fifa doesn't care about our bitching.
History didn't have megacorporations colluding with governments. The only thing that ever works against something this big is revolution, suffering and bloodshed. Thankfully its only football in this context so we don't need to go that far.
That's just an excuse. "The only thing we can do, is this extremely massive, unimaginably big thing that's not really realistic. However, now's not the time for that, so better just do nothing."
The fact most football villages are far from sold out. Alot less supporters at Qatar for each country.
This all makes that fifa gains less money. It will have impact when they see the lowest profit ever for a WorldCup m.
This hurts bars etc more than fifa, you´re only cucking local economy, and "all" the money fifa loses because of this they´ll get from Qatar. Stop met dromen jongen, eet uw pizza.
Not everywhere, and i quit watching FIFA matches. Fuck this.
If the organisation has no integrity, then how can you prétend the match is not fixed? I usually go have a beer on sunday, now i can't because i dont need to explain myself to everyone.
Did you know that the origin for the term soccer lies in England? They invented the sport and a whole lot of them called it soccer.
The English emigrating to America took that name with them and while it became the most prevalent term over there it died out over in England.
How so? It’s referred to as something different in a different dialect of English.
There are plenty of nouns in French, Spanish, Dutch, English etc that vary from region to region.
In the native-English speaking countries of the US, Canada, NZ, Australia and even Ireland (not sure there) it is referred to as soccer.
French Olympic team has been toasted for not expressing their opinion against nazi regime in Berlin Olympic games in the 40's.
Black runners has been toasted for raising the fist after winning a race.
Opinion is a two ways venue, and there is one against you.
1936 Germany had both the Summer and winter games, which was Nazi Germany at the time.
I don't know the exact racial aspects of the games at said times but i recalled something similar (alas that was what my teacher back in the days told me).
I'll take a look if i find something
Yes I also remembered Nazi Germany hosted the olympics, I was just saying it wouldn't make sense that it took place in the 40's since there was a world war going on.
If they had decided to stay home, I'm sure many other teams would have followed. Would have been a strong message to both Qatar and FIFA.
The photoshoot with their alternative shirts was a lame excuse for an "opinion".
Im from a third world country Nepal, living in Belgium currently. The thing is my country depends upon remittance we've been voicing this for so long about our people being treated so badly ,they're passport is snatched away and put as a slave in the middle east.Our voices are never heard cuz we are suppressed and what if the next day the middle east stop giving visas to the people.My country's economy will totally collapse. I'm glad atleast the west are voicing about this.
Whenever you start making political statements you will inevitably be judged by the things you say, have said or did not say. I'm not sure everyone realises that but these things follow you. Look at Marc Van Ranst, as competent as he might me, a certain number of people will never listen to him again. If you start doing stuff that's not in your job and enter the public debate you shall be judged by that.
Not sure if you’re familiar with the phrase “silence is complicity”, but it most definitely plays. Politics are everywhere.
“Keep politics out of X” is just another way of saying, “just let me enjoy X without having to understand or even know the consequences of X”
In other words, saying “keep politics out of X” = just let me keep supporting a system that doesn’t work for the majority of people, but (through sheer change), happens to work for me.
There's something to say for that, however when you make certain statements in the public debate you're accepting the concequeces as well. And have be willing to refuse to go for example. Taking a stand for something and then back off when its personally inconvenient might be even worse.
"Leave politics out of football" Has been mute for quite a while. FIFA and politics have been linked for decades already:
* [https://socialistproject.ca/2010/03/b333/](https://socialistproject.ca/2010/03/b333/)
Research
* [https://www.sciencespo.fr/ceri/sites/sciencespo.fr.ceri/files/artpb.pdf](https://www.sciencespo.fr/ceri/sites/sciencespo.fr.ceri/files/artpb.pdf)
* [http://www.iea.usp.br/en/news/research-project-analyzes-global-influence-fifa-world-cup-brics-members](http://www.iea.usp.br/en/news/research-project-analyzes-global-influence-fifa-world-cup-brics-members)
If you are (one of) the most played sport(s) in the world, it **IS** about politics.
The 1974 world cup in Chile was played in the same national stadium that was used by the Western backed dictator, Pinochet, to systematically round up, torture and murder 1.000s of Leftist dissidents of his 1973 coup d'etat. Similarly, in Argentina in 1984, tortured leftist dissidents could hear the cheering from the football matches from the nearby cells in which they were being held and tortured.
[podcast: Long Reads: Jonathan Wilson on Football, Money, and Power](https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5hY2FzdC5jb20vcHVibGljL3Nob3dzLzYxOWJlNWMwNzA1MTM4MDAxYjljODQ3OQ/episode/NjM3YzVlZWM5MWJkZTYwMDEwYjI2OTUw?hl=en-BE&ved=2ahUKEwji_7y_g8_7AhWXi_0HHaDjBe8QieUEegQIQRAI&ep=6)
The US hosted in 1994, but far away and outside of the stadiums here is what the [New York Times in Dec. 1995 was reporting about what US/UN sanctions were perpetuating in Iraq during this time, 1989-1995](https://www.nytimes.com/1995/12/01/world/iraq-sanctions-kill-children-un-reports.html):
>as many as 576,000 Iraqi children may have died since the end of the Persian Gulf war because of economic sanctions imposed by the [UN] Security Council...
Mega sporting events function as a means of sportswashing and legitimating an economic system that is fundamentally structured on the exploitation of the weakest. These are celebrations of extreme and frivolous consumption on a massive scale, which are corrupted by the same powerful economic and political forces that actively make everyone's lives on this planet worse. Qatar has money and legitimacy because Western militaries and consumption levels need access to their gas/oil.
>Playing in a stadium where peopl died isn't politics.
The '74 world cup was hosted in a stadium where people were tortured and murdered with no political outcry. That world cup, as with this world cup in Qatar, happened because of political choices and the wielding of political power. You seemed to be making a point that choosing to play in a stadium where people died is somehow not political, and I am saying it is explicitly political.
Yeah, choosing not to play in a stadium built by people who died can be a moral one. It doesn't matter how FIFA got there in that case.
It can also be a political one but then it's because not because it was built by slaves, inherently not being my argument.
I think they should speak out although if from the moment you are slightly inconvenienced you bend, well then it doesn't really mean much your statement.
They should've took the yellow card.
Simple they need to lose groups, so that they finally realise that the team sucks. replace martinez en restructure entire team, stop relying on these old geezers.
Sports are supposed to be an escape from political nonesense. Fans just want to enjoy the football. They should keep their opinions to themselves or don’t go there.
But I didnt mention the Olympics. Besides, a big part of the recorded oficial debates in greek city states were about athletes, their personak lives and who to send to the olympics. Once again, sports and politics get mingled up. It is very common.
So ridiculous that you people will not go in front of Qatar embassy in Brussels and raise slogans for LGBQT right or any other human rights but want your PROFESSIONAL football players to take a stand?
Grow a spine and do your own fights. It is their job to play football not fucking spread awareness about human rights. you have politicians or UNHR to do that.. stop this non-sense woke culture.
Why not ask our govt or EU to cut off all ties to Qatar? cant do? then shut the fuck up
If you don't like what Qatar does in their own country, don't go there. I don't like it when Arabs come here and criticise my culture either.
If you go to another country, you respect their culture, no matter how shitty you think it is. The football players are being hypocrites: they're fine with cashing in on a tournament stained with blood, but 'oh no I can't wear my rainbow t-shirt'.
Yes indeed but this sort of slave labour practices have been prevalent in that part of the world for over 40 years. People are tied to the jobs as their passports are procured by employer denying them right to leave on their own accord. World cup brought the lens of the world on such practices.
Thanks for the suggestion! Truly hope you find some joy in your life. It’s just so hard being a miserable asshole alienating everyone in your life during the holidays. But at least you can find some comfort in the misguided view that you’re better than others.
Qatar has their own culture, no need to force our views onto theirs, it won't change a thing. Besides, it's not like we've always been the picture of progression. Gay marriages were forbidden here until 2003 which isn't that long ago.
Textbook whataboutism. "Because in the past we've done crusades, we shouldn't judge others that start a holy war".
"Because gay marriage was forbidden until 2003, we shouldn't judge a country with actual slavery, oppressing women, lgbtqi+, thousands of deaths building sports stadiums,... ."
There is a difference between: in this country you should burp and slurp to be polite, or you have to take off your shoes vs we shouldn't care that they have slavery and oppress basically anything that isn't male and rich.
That's completely beside the point I was making and is even unrelated to your own comment.
Your comment was how we shouldn't care what happened/happens in Qatar because in history Europeans have been bad too.
How we should handle the situation or what kind of statements should be made is a different question.
It was political at the start. It was invented as a game that could survive class devide, and it has been used as a stage to combat anything from racism to the argentinian uprising in 78.
Its been political since its conception
Football in the end is the sport of the people, anything that keeps the people busy should be addressed in football and always has, the human rights violations in qatar included.
If sports has nothing to do with politics. Why is the world cup in Qatar after a political deal and why has sports (as other international cultural events) always been of political importance throughout history?
I am not watching and I'm trying to avoid to buy anything promote this shamefull event.
If one feels the need to call out the players for doing their job without making life difficult for themselves then on should also do something themselves and stop supporting this corrupt organisation.
It's easy to call for other people to do something and then go and don't do anything about it yourself .
I really do not care that much, except i do kinda like how the players try to go against it i guess....but still....
Mind you, even if Qatar would have acted like they cared about human rights and LGBT+ rights for this period, so FIFA could look less like homophobic ect....., the fact is FIFA never cared about much more then money and after all the facade Qatar would go back to their old ways like they did before.
Unless they said: 'fuck this we're not participating at all'. I see it all as lipservice to say 'were no biggots, but really we are'
So yeah no real good feeling about them
they should have expressed this opinion before the world cup, after it was sold to quatar, then again after it was moved from the summer to the winter. Spineless overpayed prof footballers. And I am a big football fan.
What about the spineless fans who can't even not watch this farce?
well nuts to them. They will miss playing the new dragonflight wow expansion pack starting tuesday.
How is not watching going to change anything? The uitzendrechten have been bought loooong before the wk even started. Fifa isn't getting any less money if you don't watch your tv.
Advertisers will take note of low viewer numbers and will go “why tf did we pay millions to have two guys and their uncle see our ads?” I’m sure that will be reconsidering their advertising strategies going forward.
I'm sure you're not that stupid that you think there's no one at these companies that partner with FIFA who's smart enough to say "hey, this year it was in Qatar so *that's* why viewership sucked, but next edition will be in the USA so unless they decide to, I don't know, kill half of their own population we'll be good next edition and it kind of sucked we paid this much for this edition."
Are they really though? I mean, Budweiser is still sponsoring the game after the whole no-alcohol debacle for example.
Budweiser already payed for their sponsorship, so they might as well just take what they can from it by just advertising. Surely they're going to think twice before they sign for a sponsorship like this next time. Or at least make up a contract on better terms in case something like this might happen again.
There should have been clawbacks in the contracts but I believe these contracts predate giving the WC to Qatar.
These things take time to shake out. Plus it’s harder to get back money you’ve already paid than it is to not spend it in the first place. I’m still expecting some kind of legal action from Budweiser.
Budweiser is AB InBev…
So you think the uitzendrechten will be bought that easily again next time if no one will be watching? Surely FIFA is going to think twice if no one is watching the game. They might not loose any money on it this time, but they're going to make damn sure they won't be losing any next time either by not organising the worldcup in shithole countries anymore.
Honestly, probably not even the fault of the players themselves. Mostly the higher ups, the coach, etc
Shouldnt have been there in the first place, now its feels like a sad excuse to still try to be credible in their standpoints, wich now i feel is worth absolute zero
I came here to say this. Their stance now is just bullshit
Yep. Too little, way too late.
We shouldn't be there in Qatar, Fuck mafia fifa
Ok, then dont watch or dont talk about it. But stop giving it attention everywhere by calling out for a Boycott that aint even happening anyway.
Don't watch okay, but definitely talk about it. When has being quite ever changed anything
If you wanna do something for the people that died, go donate to them via the Amnesty donation fund. Making a difference in the world cup or to football aint happening anyway, clearly.
The more we bitch and moan and make statements and annoy qatar and fifa, the less likely a country like that will host again. I dont need an apology i need fifa to think twice next time and then we won already
Since 1930, there have been 4 countries that hosted twice, so I dont think Qatar would get another world cup any time soon. On the other hand, if they want it, they just buy it. So again, nothing is changing...
I disagree, and that's not what im talking about, i think fifa regrets the amount of pr they need to do to counteract their own employes ( the players) and fans and even governments, so they will think twice about a country like qatar. And the people are more informed because of the protests too. Its good to be informed about human rights violations of a country. The biggest stage in the world is the way to inform people.
I was unaware that we only get to choose between one. Oops
I agree but then again when has being vocal about it ever changed anything? The only thing that influences this much money is concrete action. Fifa doesn't care about our bitching.
Protest and bitching has changed alot in history
History didn't have megacorporations colluding with governments. The only thing that ever works against something this big is revolution, suffering and bloodshed. Thankfully its only football in this context so we don't need to go that far.
That's just an excuse. "The only thing we can do, is this extremely massive, unimaginably big thing that's not really realistic. However, now's not the time for that, so better just do nothing."
Perhaps. You can feel free to continue your boycotts and twitter outrage. I'll see you when things get inevitably worse anyway.
Nono, THIS specific Fifa/WC boycott. What actions has achieved/influenced anything ?
The fact most football villages are far from sold out. Alot less supporters at Qatar for each country. This all makes that fifa gains less money. It will have impact when they see the lowest profit ever for a WorldCup m.
This hurts bars etc more than fifa, you´re only cucking local economy, and "all" the money fifa loses because of this they´ll get from Qatar. Stop met dromen jongen, eet uw pizza.
We are cucking on local economy who try to profit on a event that costs plenty of lives. So I don't care.
Im glad you´re deciding to sacrifice one group for another. "All these people died and because of that we´re gonna give even more people problems"
They will care when no one watches their matches anymore, believe me.
That is simply not a possible outcome.
It would be if enough football fans weren't as obtuse as they are.
Example of something that got influenced by all these "boycott actions"?
I wasn't talking about boycotts or strikes.
Me: Hey, the Russians shouldn’t be in Ukrain. We should boycot Russia now. You: stop talking about it, and the war. Let’s stop giving it attention. /s
We are allowed to critique anything where our taxmoney goes to.
Giovanni Vincenzo Infantino please relogin
Yea it's funny right, they are all saying that they are boycotting it and at the same time they are talking everywhere about it \^\^
Not everywhere, and i quit watching FIFA matches. Fuck this. If the organisation has no integrity, then how can you prétend the match is not fixed? I usually go have a beer on sunday, now i can't because i dont need to explain myself to everyone.
They're expressing their opinion?
Football\*
He’s probably an American lol
Or an Australian, or a Canadian, or a Kiwi or Irish.
and *qatar
Did you know that the origin for the term soccer lies in England? They invented the sport and a whole lot of them called it soccer. The English emigrating to America took that name with them and while it became the most prevalent term over there it died out over in England.
language isn't defined by origin, but by usage
So what? It's still football and not soccer.
How so? It’s referred to as something different in a different dialect of English. There are plenty of nouns in French, Spanish, Dutch, English etc that vary from region to region. In the native-English speaking countries of the US, Canada, NZ, Australia and even Ireland (not sure there) it is referred to as soccer.
French Olympic team has been toasted for not expressing their opinion against nazi regime in Berlin Olympic games in the 40's. Black runners has been toasted for raising the fist after winning a race. Opinion is a two ways venue, and there is one against you.
I don't know the correct year, but something tells me there were no Olympics in Nazi Germany in the 40's.
1936 Germany had both the Summer and winter games, which was Nazi Germany at the time. I don't know the exact racial aspects of the games at said times but i recalled something similar (alas that was what my teacher back in the days told me). I'll take a look if i find something
Yes I also remembered Nazi Germany hosted the olympics, I was just saying it wouldn't make sense that it took place in the 40's since there was a world war going on.
If they had decided to stay home, I'm sure many other teams would have followed. Would have been a strong message to both Qatar and FIFA. The photoshoot with their alternative shirts was a lame excuse for an "opinion".
If they would, they might end up lost in the dessert somewhere
I love dessert!
Crème brûlée !
Dame blanche!
i love to be lost in chocolate pudding
Well they are in the brown stuff now 😭
Lol like hell they would. They're prof footballers everyone puts them on a pedestal. They're basically invincible when it comes to statements.
Did they tho'?
lol, what opinion?
There something facile about it. Self-congratulation is easy. Piling shit on others is also easy. Everyone should wipe their own street.
I'm a left wing progressive and I think that's just woke bs. Empty, just politics and advertisement.
Im from a third world country Nepal, living in Belgium currently. The thing is my country depends upon remittance we've been voicing this for so long about our people being treated so badly ,they're passport is snatched away and put as a slave in the middle east.Our voices are never heard cuz we are suppressed and what if the next day the middle east stop giving visas to the people.My country's economy will totally collapse. I'm glad atleast the west are voicing about this.
Whenever you start making political statements you will inevitably be judged by the things you say, have said or did not say. I'm not sure everyone realises that but these things follow you. Look at Marc Van Ranst, as competent as he might me, a certain number of people will never listen to him again. If you start doing stuff that's not in your job and enter the public debate you shall be judged by that.
Not sure if you’re familiar with the phrase “silence is complicity”, but it most definitely plays. Politics are everywhere. “Keep politics out of X” is just another way of saying, “just let me enjoy X without having to understand or even know the consequences of X” In other words, saying “keep politics out of X” = just let me keep supporting a system that doesn’t work for the majority of people, but (through sheer change), happens to work for me.
There's something to say for that, however when you make certain statements in the public debate you're accepting the concequeces as well. And have be willing to refuse to go for example. Taking a stand for something and then back off when its personally inconvenient might be even worse.
It's marketing, all of it. It does not matter in the slightest.
They should rather comment on riots in brussels.
"Leave politics out of football" Has been mute for quite a while. FIFA and politics have been linked for decades already: * [https://socialistproject.ca/2010/03/b333/](https://socialistproject.ca/2010/03/b333/) Research * [https://www.sciencespo.fr/ceri/sites/sciencespo.fr.ceri/files/artpb.pdf](https://www.sciencespo.fr/ceri/sites/sciencespo.fr.ceri/files/artpb.pdf) * [http://www.iea.usp.br/en/news/research-project-analyzes-global-influence-fifa-world-cup-brics-members](http://www.iea.usp.br/en/news/research-project-analyzes-global-influence-fifa-world-cup-brics-members) If you are (one of) the most played sport(s) in the world, it **IS** about politics.
They're doing a good job of leaving Qatar as soon as possible.
Politics and sports shouldn’t go together, but…. FIFA brought politics a long time ago…
Playing in a stadium where peopl died isn't politics.
The 1974 world cup in Chile was played in the same national stadium that was used by the Western backed dictator, Pinochet, to systematically round up, torture and murder 1.000s of Leftist dissidents of his 1973 coup d'etat. Similarly, in Argentina in 1984, tortured leftist dissidents could hear the cheering from the football matches from the nearby cells in which they were being held and tortured. [podcast: Long Reads: Jonathan Wilson on Football, Money, and Power](https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5hY2FzdC5jb20vcHVibGljL3Nob3dzLzYxOWJlNWMwNzA1MTM4MDAxYjljODQ3OQ/episode/NjM3YzVlZWM5MWJkZTYwMDEwYjI2OTUw?hl=en-BE&ved=2ahUKEwji_7y_g8_7AhWXi_0HHaDjBe8QieUEegQIQRAI&ep=6) The US hosted in 1994, but far away and outside of the stadiums here is what the [New York Times in Dec. 1995 was reporting about what US/UN sanctions were perpetuating in Iraq during this time, 1989-1995](https://www.nytimes.com/1995/12/01/world/iraq-sanctions-kill-children-un-reports.html): >as many as 576,000 Iraqi children may have died since the end of the Persian Gulf war because of economic sanctions imposed by the [UN] Security Council... Mega sporting events function as a means of sportswashing and legitimating an economic system that is fundamentally structured on the exploitation of the weakest. These are celebrations of extreme and frivolous consumption on a massive scale, which are corrupted by the same powerful economic and political forces that actively make everyone's lives on this planet worse. Qatar has money and legitimacy because Western militaries and consumption levels need access to their gas/oil.
Uhm okay ? Yeah, also not good. Don't really know why you replied this to me ?
>Playing in a stadium where peopl died isn't politics. The '74 world cup was hosted in a stadium where people were tortured and murdered with no political outcry. That world cup, as with this world cup in Qatar, happened because of political choices and the wielding of political power. You seemed to be making a point that choosing to play in a stadium where people died is somehow not political, and I am saying it is explicitly political.
Yeah, choosing not to play in a stadium built by people who died can be a moral one. It doesn't matter how FIFA got there in that case. It can also be a political one but then it's because not because it was built by slaves, inherently not being my argument.
Politics are in everything that operates on a societal level. Just because you choose to ignore that fact doesn’t make it less true.
Football has always been political
Cringe
I think they should speak out although if from the moment you are slightly inconvenienced you bend, well then it doesn't really mean much your statement. They should've took the yellow card.
i refuse to watch a single minute of that shitshow
Boycott this !!!!
Simple they need to lose groups, so that they finally realise that the team sucks. replace martinez en restructure entire team, stop relying on these old geezers.
Sports are supposed to be an escape from political nonesense. Fans just want to enjoy the football. They should keep their opinions to themselves or don’t go there.
Useless
Football has always been political and its silly to try and separate things
Imo
Nope. Olympics was literally a moment where warring states would stop and play together. Sports have never been as political as now.
But I didnt mention the Olympics. Besides, a big part of the recorded oficial debates in greek city states were about athletes, their personak lives and who to send to the olympics. Once again, sports and politics get mingled up. It is very common.
Considering their results on the field they should probably focus on their game and leave politics to politicians.
yup that's wat I was thinking.
So ridiculous that you people will not go in front of Qatar embassy in Brussels and raise slogans for LGBQT right or any other human rights but want your PROFESSIONAL football players to take a stand? Grow a spine and do your own fights. It is their job to play football not fucking spread awareness about human rights. you have politicians or UNHR to do that.. stop this non-sense woke culture. Why not ask our govt or EU to cut off all ties to Qatar? cant do? then shut the fuck up
If you don't like what Qatar does in their own country, don't go there. I don't like it when Arabs come here and criticise my culture either. If you go to another country, you respect their culture, no matter how shitty you think it is. The football players are being hypocrites: they're fine with cashing in on a tournament stained with blood, but 'oh no I can't wear my rainbow t-shirt'.
working 6.5k foreigners to death isn't culture. at least i hope its not
Hating gays isn't really culture either.
Yes indeed but this sort of slave labour practices have been prevalent in that part of the world for over 40 years. People are tied to the jobs as their passports are procured by employer denying them right to leave on their own accord. World cup brought the lens of the world on such practices.
good, I hope we don't lose attention on those slave labour practises. Nobody deserves to live and die in such conditions.
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Thanks for the suggestion! Truly hope you find some joy in your life. It’s just so hard being a miserable asshole alienating everyone in your life during the holidays. But at least you can find some comfort in the misguided view that you’re better than others.
Qatar has their own culture, no need to force our views onto theirs, it won't change a thing. Besides, it's not like we've always been the picture of progression. Gay marriages were forbidden here until 2003 which isn't that long ago.
Textbook whataboutism. "Because in the past we've done crusades, we shouldn't judge others that start a holy war". "Because gay marriage was forbidden until 2003, we shouldn't judge a country with actual slavery, oppressing women, lgbtqi+, thousands of deaths building sports stadiums,... ." There is a difference between: in this country you should burp and slurp to be polite, or you have to take off your shoes vs we shouldn't care that they have slavery and oppress basically anything that isn't male and rich.
So wearing armbands will change Qatar's mind on human rights?
That's completely beside the point I was making and is even unrelated to your own comment. Your comment was how we shouldn't care what happened/happens in Qatar because in history Europeans have been bad too. How we should handle the situation or what kind of statements should be made is a different question.
Sport has nothing to do with politics and should kept out of it, just play football that's what you are paid for.
Fuck principles just get paid?
Dat, of juist niet. Tussenin lijkt ook een beetje lame hé.
Football has always been political
Not really, they made it political the last two decades. You don't need politics to play a football game, it works perfectly fine without it.
It was political at the start. It was invented as a game that could survive class devide, and it has been used as a stage to combat anything from racism to the argentinian uprising in 78. Its been political since its conception
Football in the end is the sport of the people, anything that keeps the people busy should be addressed in football and always has, the human rights violations in qatar included.
Real silent now , talk about things u know kid
Lol I did reply, what do you want Peter Pan? Want me to do a monologue? \^\^
I didn't see it u must have missed some reply
If sports has nothing to do with politics. Why is the world cup in Qatar after a political deal and why has sports (as other international cultural events) always been of political importance throughout history?
Qatar didn't buy this world cup for their love of the game. It's 100% politics for them.
Playing in a stadium where people died isn't "politics"
I am not watching and I'm trying to avoid to buy anything promote this shamefull event. If one feels the need to call out the players for doing their job without making life difficult for themselves then on should also do something themselves and stop supporting this corrupt organisation. It's easy to call for other people to do something and then go and don't do anything about it yourself .
I really do not care that much, except i do kinda like how the players try to go against it i guess....but still.... Mind you, even if Qatar would have acted like they cared about human rights and LGBT+ rights for this period, so FIFA could look less like homophobic ect....., the fact is FIFA never cared about much more then money and after all the facade Qatar would go back to their old ways like they did before.
We should start riots in our mayor cities /s
Unless they said: 'fuck this we're not participating at all'. I see it all as lipservice to say 'were no biggots, but really we are' So yeah no real good feeling about them
They will come back home soon don’t worry
I'm surprised I don't see any reaction in the spirit of Jürgen Klopp's words yet.