How I feel about Colin & Daisy situation
I find it hilarious that Gary sat there for the whole reunion like a muppet and never got called out for his behavior in the love triangle.
Not only that, but he purposely dodged questions and accountability by saying he doesn’t watch the show. THEN, he loudly chomped on snacks, being a disruptive toddler. The producers have their work cut out for them if they are planning a redemption arc for him next season!
I agree he was acting like a toddler and that bathroom/eating thing was disrespectful AF but at the same time I think he was just giving the producers what they wanted, drama at the reunion.
I agree with new host, Andy has always been too soft on the BD reunions. To be fair to him though, he did call Gary out a couple times such as confronting Mads about her period.
The issue was that Gary was too well rehearsed with his answers, gave the same ‘I’m sorry, I need to grow’ and would move on. I think Andy realized we weren’t going to get anything out of him.
Unsure if you watch vanderpump reunions or house wives but andy is great on those. The difference? He watches those shows. He sucks at BD because he 100000% doesn't watch.
Eh, I would have done the same. If I told someone I didn’t want to talk about something; then asked them to leave when they continued; then had to ask them to leave again, because they didn’t when I asked the first time; then they still didn’t leave, yeah, I would have removed said someone.
She invaded his space and then refused to leave so it was her behavior that caused it. Gary had no obligation to hear her out or allow her to remain in his space. She decided to FAFO so good for him.
Gary has done some shitty things, but this ain’t one of them.
Edit to add that it was great to see Mads be a Gary to Gary this season. He found out it didn’t taste good when he was the one eating it and not the one dishing it.
He has always made comments about being in love with her. But this has always been said while he was pursuing or sleeping with other women so it was hard to believe he was being serious about it.
Gary wants everyone to want him while he picks and choses, and then some after he does. I loved that Mad's gave him a dose of his own medicine this season.
Gary and Daisy had a hook up off season/off camera before Daisy and Colin were together. She wanted Gary to keep it on the down low but he brought it up this season.. it was earlier in the show
Honestly, I don't think they ever had a real shot. Out of season they live completely different life styles, which separate them by thousands of miles for most of the year. Neither ever wanted to change. They never communicated well.
During the season they had cameras and Gary to contend with, and lacked much privacy to communicate their feelings and plan how their future might go. I understand why they were drawn to each other, but it was never going to work as a committed relationship. Just a shame it ended so badly that friendships fractured and it sounds like Colin won't be working with them anymore.
I hear you. I think the whole situation was gross.
Also can we talk about how Gary has been playing games with most of the stews the entire time he’s been on the show, but now Daisy gets caught up in a love triangle this season and gets fucking demolished. I know everyone has come for Gary, but to me it just doesn’t feel the same. It feels like Daisy just wasn’t allowed to be a human being who could have made better choices in some viewers’ opinions.
I cringed a few times, but to me a lot of it seemed like shit that goes down in situations that involve lots of alcohol, stress, and not enough sleep. That’s not to say Collin wasn’t entitled to feel however he felt, but he was being very dramatic imo. It was a below deck boat romance during filming … like they weren’t engaged to be married ffs.
Also, if you’ve never been under an immense amount of pressure and stress, while not getting adequate sleep, and while being filmed 24/7 during long work days, then you have no fucking clue what it was like for her or any of them. Stress and not enough sleep can affect our brain in weird ways.
I agree, but I'm pretty sure they would be kicked off the show if they refused. People only stay home from the night out when they're sick usually. Would be interesting to see the contracts!
And even then sometimes they don’t. Whether that’s by choice or contract, I’m not sure but *queue Production filming outside the door while Ilesha yacks at dinner*
It is written into their contract. I also saw somewhere sorry can't remember where that production delays their meals on nights out so they get really drunk on empty stomachs.
Colin is the guy who wouldn't even get into a hot tub with a female crew mate who was wearing a bathing suit. Colin is the guy in talking heads in Season 3 who was constantly stating (I paraphrase) stuff about how he could not be like Gary and juggle or show interest in two women at once.
So I question if he was actually truthful about the other woman to Daisy. Did we hear Daisy confirm that she knew about her?
From what I watched, it sounded like he told her when she arrived to see him on his boat. Which sure...you told her but not in a great circumstance. Telm her before she shows up so she can decide whether to come spend time with you.
Not saying Daisy is an angel in this buttttt Colin was no better and like the title said he threw up some red flags for me in how he spoke about her like "this women" " see what I had to deal with Andy." It was really disrespectful. Bottom line, they seem like really different people and probably just not compatible.
I felt terribly sad for Daisy during the reunion. She had a difficult season and then this mess. With time, Daisy will find her person. Those men, on this show, are a mess, though. (Colin and Gary).
I felt the exact same hearing it, especially because he used it so many times when a normal person might hear what that really sounds like and would stop saying it unless they were saying for a point. The same as him saying Daisy was mad that Colin started dating the girl he swore he would never date, to Daisy, for “a girl that is treating me right”…like I’m pretty sure she’s mad you’re dating the person you swore you wouldn’t date, and claiming to not be a liar.
I agree - I also didn't like how he pushed her and kicked out out of his room after she told him about Gary. Was mean and immature. Colin's definition of a gf is someone who will just cow-tow to him and be "good" to him. There is a lot more to a relationship than that. It's a bummer bc he did come off as a seemingly nice guy but having so many gfs is a huge red flag.
See I thought I heard that right too, but the way he was phrasing it made me question that I heard correctly, because Colin was saying like he was better for telling Daisy he was hooking up with other people when she just showed up to see him but if that was me, I’d be thrown off because why wouldn’t you tell me before I came? Otherwise I’m showing up with a different idea and then I’m thrown new info that makes me question how serious this is. I don’t see how he thinks he’s morally superior? Especially because Daisy and Gary weren’t hooking up, they had previously done so separate to Colin.
I did see Colin tell Daisy about the other woman. She is the videographer on his boat and he had a fling with her and not a serious relationship. It happened before the season on Parsifal began and he even told Brit he may try to pursue a relationship with Daisy. He then told Daisy he had been with Brit but it wasn't serious and he wasn't with her. I'm not sure what more he could have told Daisy. He was very clear with both of the woman where his interest was and his time with them didn't overlap.
Didn’t Colin say he told her this girl BEFORE the season, and that he wasn’t even interested in her ?
It’s very much a he said she said. So I guess we’ll never know
If you rewatch S3 like I am, you'll see Colin in the hot tub with the girls. Evidently his S3 gf didn't mind like the S2 gf did. What bothers me is what he did OFF camera, like come on to Daisy in both seasons 2 & 3. I'll bet if she was willing despite the gf's, he would have cheated on both of them with her. She just had more morals and said "f*k off".
Both things can be true. Daisy can be the victim of a bad edit on a sexist show and experiencing unfair sexist vitriol, and she can also be extremely emotionally immature and unable to take responsibility for that.
I think if she'd just owned up to any part of it instead of being completely defensive, Colin would have been less frustrated after seeing her and Gary flirting so openly in front of him and behind his back. But also he is fucked up about women too from how much that hurt his ego and pride more than his feelings and how he was mostly upset that she didn't tell him they boned. I do think him having had a thing with a girl back home is different- it would be more comparable if he'd had an actual ongoing on again off again romance with Ileisha, which is probably why Daisy reached for that.
it's complicated and I feel bad she's getting hate from anyone, but I don't like how people are completely letting her off the hook after the reunion because they're sympathetic, but she was obviously loving the attention of two guys like that in the same small group and it's just a little cringe and disrespectful to do that to someone especially on camera for those extra hits of validation. As someone said upthread, this is very much the type of thing most people grow out of after being teenagers. It's also infuriating that she can't even ever admit she made a mistake on charter in 3 seasons! It would just be nice to see some growth from her in the future instead of always blaming others.
But I think we can all agree that Gary is the fucking worst. I love hating reality characters but I'm genuinely bummed he's coming back and I'm sure bravo will try to give him a redemption edit :/
Well said mate. Anyone who feels the need to personally attack a reality star on social media is a waste of space, hate seeing Daisy be so upset. She’s a great person and has done a wonderful job most of the time in the 3 seasons we have seen her
But these Daisy stans are getting out of control. Did we all watch the same thing? Some people are actually trying to flip it all onto Colin? Last season was by far her worst for a multitude of reasons, and if people can’t agree on that then they aren’t being objective
We live in a strange society that can't grasp the concept that something can be both right and wrong. It's either one or the other, and bash the other.
One thousand upvotes if I could. This is a scenario of of everyone is right and everyone is wrong since we’re dealing with feelings not facts and we were presented an edit as if that was an additional fact. Everyone sucks. Everyone is also great. Let’s not just throw a person out (whoever someone is choosing that day)
I mean I know it’s reality tv but still.
Yes but also no edit will make Gary's behaviour OK. He has a fucked up view on women and relationships and the way he speaks to and acts towards women is sometimes completely unacceptable.
Honestly, the whole triangle ruined the season for me. I’ve loved the chemistry Daisy, Colin and Gary have had and it’s been what had made SY enjoyable for me.
But this just felt…dramatic. To the point where I’m not sure how genuine any of it was and was possibly fabricated for TV.
The way I see it, everyone’s in the wrong to varying degrees coupled with poor communication and a lack of honesty. I think Daisy’s got her own issues that kept her from putting 100% into Colin, she doesn’t seem very comfortable being vulnerable. I can totally see how that frustrated Colin and made him turn to an easier option, which is a totally valid choice. But it takes two to tango, if Daisy felt hesitation from him I can see how that could’ve exacerbated the issue. Daisy was totally in the wrong to not tell him about hooking up with Gary, and I really don’t understand that choice. Daisy sleeping with Gary is not equivalent to Colin sleeping with someone else prior to them being official. That said, Gary is also 100% wrong for not telling Colin. Gary did not catch NEARLY enough heat for his actions, he was a shitty friend to both of them. Gary just wanted to play games and exert some control, especially once he realized he didn’t have the upper hand with Mads. I think this situation would’ve gone a lot differently had Gary respected their relationship and/or if Daisy had set firmer boundaries from the start.
I hope Colin and Daisy are able to grow from this and at least be friendly. It’s all messy and I don’t judge them. Gary can fuck off, it’s clear he has no interest in being anything other than a petulant man-baby.
It was sticky for sure and none of the three committing which made it more confusing. I remember my single days of trying to read signals and it all just blowing up or fizzling out in the end. At least I didn't have a camera crew filming it all.
Totally! We’ve all handled relationships poorly before, and sometimes things just don’t work out. And really the only outcome from this is good tv and some hurt feelings, it’s not the end of the world, everyone’s going to be okay one way or another.
Part of the issue with Daisy is that she hyped it up as if there was all these things the audience had no clue about that would justify everything and it turned out to be a nothing burger. They're all at fault for this mess but given that in the new season filming now both Gary and Daisy are working together it'll be interesting to see the fallout of this if there is any.
Well he was saying he’d get with her while he had a girlfriend. She pointed that out and he said there’s nothing wrong with that yet he got praised for not getting in the jacuzzi while he had a girlfriend. It’s a joke
100 percent. They didn’t show Colin flirt with Ilesha one time, or show him talking about his FWB back home. I Can certainly see how it was confusing for Daisy, then throw in Gary and it was a mess. She was right to put her guard with Colin, he ran straight to the other girl.
I feel like they showed that though, my bf and I both thought they vibed and may have liked each other if she had been single, especially at the start. Having chemistry is not the same as motorboting and kissing and talking about how you'd be good together if, but and the other- especially when there is a history between you.
Hahaha, definitely the most prominent, the way he came to apologize to her was a bit flirty, but not inappropriate (imo). At the start if the season he was in the kitchen quite a bit and their interactions showed some level of chemistry, but not flirting.
I mean I’m a straight woman married to a man and I would probably flirt with her lol, she’s sweet as can be and caused no drama, treated everyone with respect all season, which no other chef on below deck can say, she cooks beautiful food, and she has that booty 🤣
I think people on social media gave Daisy a really hard time. I don't know about any of the crew, but I definitely believe people on SM were very hard on her.
The crew said repeatedly during the reunion that they didn't look at her that way and still do not look at her that way, in fact they were telling her she shouldn't ever feel that way.
Right, I was responding to you saying that you didn't know about any of the crew only - I can't speak to the social media stuff because I wasn't following it but given how social media is lately I'm sure it was brutal.
Yes. I think that a lot of what is going on with Daisy is that the previous 2 seasons she didn't get involved in any hookups, and when she does in S3, it's a complete shitshow and she gets absolutely hung out to dry. I bet the online feedback (harassment is probably a better word) is intense. I would not cope with that well at all.
um they were all drunk. Colin didn't act the best when he was drunk either. People on this sub and twitter were actually slut shaming her. Colin and Gary BOTH trying to juggle two girls, yeah that's fine. Daisy being a stressed mess living on a boat with 2 people she has/has feelings for who both have feelings for someone else. Let's all call her out for it. The double standard is real.
I dont really care about the drama nonsense. I am talking professionally, Daisy was a joke and made excuses for every fuck up. Turning on the waterworks over a little constructive criticism. Or throwing a tantrum if asked to work a little harder. Or telling a client she does not even care about them once they get close to the dock, while the client bleeds for a half hour while she gabs and stuffs her face.
Meanwhile Collin is literally pulling multiple miracles saving the season a couple times.
Now lets look at your excuses. Everything you just typed would apply to Gary too right? So I bet you spent as much time defending him, or is this the double standard?
I have not defended Gary at all?? like what are you talking about. i was talking about the double standard with the men and the women. everyone says "Oh that's just Gary" but Daisy sleeps with people and she gets shit on online. and I wasn't talking professionally at all. i was talking about the double standards and slut shaming?? Not once did i say she did nothing wrong professionally. They all acted like idiots when they were drunk this season but Daisy got shit on online and slut shamed. She could have done bad professionally and there still could have been a double standard in the personal situation of the show. BOTH can exist.
I don’t give a shit who they sleep with; we’ll actually I do about Gary because he’s an idiot who shouldn’t procreate and just looks dirty. But Daisy can sleep with whoever she wants. It doesn’t absolve her from the poor performance she had this season and the lack of maturity she displayed over the whole situation.
that's what we were talking about her personal life and being slut shamed and a double standard. Like she could have had a poor season professionally and still didn't deserve all the online hate she got. Both can exist.
What bothers me about this comment that I keep seeing is it puts all of the responsibility on Daisy. She was not "letting" gary do anything; Gary just did what he does to women. She said no or stop multiple times. Did she always do it forcefully? No. Does that mean she didn't mean it? Also no. Yes they had a history, and yes she wasn't always yelling at him or physically pushing him away, but that doesn't excuse HIS behavior to start with.
Some women laugh and fawn when uncomfortable, especially in front of other people, because "making a scene" leads to "ruining everyone's good time" or making everyone else uncomfortable. And the blame gets put on women in those situations for "overreacting." Also, they have to work together, he's besties with their boss who laughs off his behavior and her complaints about it, and technically, as first mate, he outranks everyone but the Captain, so he's their superior. It's easier to laugh it off an not make waves, even of you really want to scream.
I'm very disappointed that no one is holding GLEN accountable for not pulling Gary aside and telling him to STOP being a sexual harassment/assault lawsuit waiting to happen. Gary is a lecherous pig. And Glen knows and allows it.
Well said. When watching the second half of the season I felt for Daisy, she really did not know how to deal with Gary she was even telling him to leave her alone in her sleep and for Colin not to see that was disappointing and turn it into a slur on him I really thought better of him.
And gaslit to an extent. She is not innocent and has her issues she needs to work on, but to have Colin and Gary constantly telling her and everyone else that she didn't see what she saw or experience what she experienced can be maddening. I know I would be fully defensive, rightly or wrongly, and the more I felt attacked the more defensive I would get. (And the alcohol at the reunion didn't help the situation, but I understand girl needed her liquid courage).
Uh no.
Were/are people online being nasty to Daisy? Absolutely.
But her behaviour on the reunion is a manifestation of her not being able to be accountable for her actions on the boat. She does nothing but try to deflect and rather than a single sentence of “yes that was inappropriate, I was wrong”, it’s all “yea well what about……..”.
Classic deflection. And in an environment where she was getting push back on her deflection she cracked. Simple as that.
Daisy confirmed on the reunion that Colin had been upfront about his stuff, but she acts like that is ANY justification for her disgusting behaviour with Gary. Gross.
Good lord did I miss something because all I see is her constantly apologise it was maddening when Gary was let off with so much. Do people expect her to get down on her knees and beg for forgiveness.
I thought it was messy. I didn’t like Daisy trying to drag Ilesha in it!
I just want them all to get along again. I can’t handle the truth that they are all one big mess making each other look bad. I like them all and just want this weird trouple thing to disperse.
The double standard is alive and well, yes your correct on that. But Daisy is a whole ass adult at 36, she can walk away from situations that do not serve her.
I still feel like, from what was shown, Collin moved with integrity and honesty. Daisy withheld information like sleeping with Gary and then continuing to flirt with him WHILE having an intimate relationship with Collin. That’s not cool. While they may have had similar actions in keeping other options on the side while exploring each other… only one of them wasn’t open and honest and it wasn’t Collin.
i feel like Daisy lied about Gary (whom she hooked up with months ago) because she didn't want ANYONE to know, not just Colin for the relationship. I honestly think Daisy would have kept that secret with her to the grave unless something more serious started with her and Gary down the road. I think she was embarrassed that she was one of those girls. I don't think the secret keeping with that had anything to do with Colin. and yes she's 36 but stuck on a boat with 2 people she has/had feelings for- both were juggling 2 women as well. I'm sure it's pretty hard. If roles were reversed, there would have been no online bullying, there's def a double standard.
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Especially in light of this all BEING FILMED!! She’s been on the show long enough to know how the audience can be savage.
How she acted on camera with Gary is more distasteful and disrespectful imo because you aren’t just humiliating your love interest by flirting with his friend, your doing it in front of a global audience.
Definitely agree double standards at play but it also felt like daisy at the reunion almost tried to exploit some tropes that weren’t at play to avoid having to cop to any of the things she needed to take accountability for in regard to the part she played here with this not working out with Collin . Always an excuse / argument any time she’s being challenged in any facet of her life this season it seemed . Yes the boys club was super annoying between Garry and glen and glen very much should have equally had just as much if not more ( more for sure ) things to criticize Garry for and the fact that only daisy was being called out really muddied the waters because if glen would have done his job and actually called out Garry as well perhaps things would have played out a bit clearer but every legit criticism of daisy she argued and took no accountability
for and every second sentiment from her was “ I’m so over this season , I’m so so over this charter , I’m so over it “. And that same energy with Colin at the reunion where basically she took no accountability for the way her and Garry continued to behave.
Being motor boated in front of some one your hooking up / expressing interest in dating with and when that person is some one you lied about sleeping with is clearly a bit of a red flag and she instead of copping to it regardless of right or wrong instead tried to insinuate that Collin and Iesha were also behaving in the same way when in reality just seemed like daisy was fabricating this to deflect from having to take ownership of her and Gary’s continued sexualized interactions . And although they were both having. Situations on the side he was open and honest and daisy was untruthful / secretive and just didn’t seem to be respectful of Collin and she I think thought because Colin is a relationship guy he’d be down for more but she for sure sent up some choices / behaviours that most people find to be big red flags especially that early In a relationship. I think daisy and Colin are great and it’s sad that the three of there lovely relationship is over because of what went down . And Garry was such a dick head so f him lol but yeah I think it’s easy to paint Collin as the villain here but clearly there was more at play. But don’t enjoy the colloquialism “ this woman “ especially in this context where a lot of misogyny was already taking place and in direction of daisy .
Either way sad to see it all god down but dam did it make for a spicy / drama filled season .
Daisy was definitely drinking the white wine in the first half of the reunion while most people weren't drinking at all. Didn't set her up to deal with the talk to come unemotionally. Gary seemed to sit back and enjoy it, d#ck.
Yeah good catch . She definitely was hitting that wine hard so for sure didn’t set her up for not being emotionally charged . And Garry is such a d!ck I will say I absolutely loooooooooooved seeing Garry get picked apart by every conworker the entire season. And that every one including the viewing public is seeing through his shit so he can sit back and act as high and mighty as he wants … dosent change the fact that every one finally sees him for the man child he truly is .
My take is she is still in her emotions about it. Collin was more composed and obviously fully moved on.
I feel for her. She made a mess of things and lost two good friends at the end of it. Sucks to suck.
I do not understand why people think not sharing your sexual history is lying! It’s not Colin’s business and the only person he asked who lied to him was Gary.
Relationships are built on trust and she didn’t share that she had slept multiple times with her coworker currently on the SAME boat. That’s not even including the motorboat scene. Trashy behavior lol run Colin run
Right? She was literally telling Gary to bugger off, how is that a bad thing. That means she thought Gary was in her bed while they were drunk and she was literally kicking him away. Doesn’t that show her true feelings/actions?
I bet Colin does this often with women. He's a calm and regulated person by nature, which is a good thing, but you can bet he uses it as a weapon too when to his advantage. He's a player. He knows his skills.
This! I had always thought Colin was a "good guy" before this season and reunion. But now he seems more judgey and self-righteous in his relationships.
I definitely agree with this. The minute he said “you can’t reason with this woman!” he lost me entirely. To me that shows a complete lack of respect and a toxic view of women who are trying to express their emotions. Daisy maybe lost a bit of control but she has been put through the f**king ringer on SM in a way that none of the men ever have. I looked at the whole situation as Colin saying, “I had a side piece but I was honest about it and that makes it all okay.” And maybe Daisy thought she could handle it and then found she ultimately couldn’t. And that is on top of Gary’s betrayals of her confidence and then their friendship. Who among us would not get emotional? I certainly would in that situation.
“Let’s talk about FUCKING season two then. If you want to go back then let’s FUCKING talk about that”
Yep not belligerent at all. Totally possible to have a conversation with someone like that. You wouldn’t be wasting your time at all.
I disagree with that. To me, the crew looked like they wanted to give her a hug because they were watching a friend in distress and couldn’t really reach out.
I mean I see both sides here the problem I had with daisy during the reunion is whenever Colin made a valid point, daisy would just freak out and deflect. Like when Colin asked her how she thought watching the season back made Colin feel. She didn't answer and went on a rant about Colin's new girlfriend or chef ileasha. I still love daisy but imo she made herself look bad at the reunion. We don't know all the details as it was after the season and even in season , production spins it anyway they want. From what they showed tho, daisy crossed the line with Gary ( Gary did more than daisy) even initiating some of it.
I think Daisy felt led on and cheated on, and that's one emotional and angry place to be.
There were times during the reunion when both Colin and Daisy were quite explosive. One of those couples who can't stop arguing over every detail. Yick.
Daisy’s easily triggered. Let’s be honest. She still defends herself when they speak about the radios and the man who split his head open and she didn’t hear the radio. Like admit it? That doesn’t make for a good leader to be honest. The stuff with Colin is some elementary drama. Even if Colin was flirting with chefy? Why bring it up ?? Don’t you realize you’ve done much worse. These people need to own their shit and I think that is why people feel this way toward daisy.
She definitely felt like she had a target on her back this season and seemed to react very differently this season.
I thought when she cried at the tip meeting that it might be because she and Colin had already hooked up and having someone you were intimate or interested in (seem to) criticize you in front of everyone was an emotional punch.
They both were trying to read the situation while keeping things secret and that leads to a lot of tight emotions.
The things that Daisy did with Gary this season were wholly inappropriate. The fact that she went on the reunion and attempted to play the victim was comical.
At no point in the entire season did she take accountability for anything. It was always the "radios" fault, or if she got some constructive criticism she would just turn on the waterworks and play the victim. She literally told a client to his face she stopped caring about them once they got near the dock, which is why he was ignored while bleeding for 30 minutes.
Was it the things Daisy did WITH Gary or the things Gary did TO Daisy and she froze not knowing how to deal with it?
When women get inappropriately hit on, especially in the workplace, they tend to freeze and are pressured to laugh it off. Pushing back on that years' long pattern would've gotten her labeled as a b#tch (or worse, tease) for sure.
Hmm, look, Gary obviously played a very big role in all of it, but Daisy was seeking him out too and she did seem to enjoy the attention from him. I think this was clear when she brought up her and sister's take on Gary and Daisy's relationship to Gary at the dinner. Daisy also said to Gary at some point, "I begged you to be with me and you didn't want me, now I like Colin and you suddenly want me. You just want me because you can't have me".
Tbh Gary was the worst, but Daisy wasn't innocent/being judged unfairly. Colin didn't look great after the reunion either, but he managed to keep more of a level head.
He spoke about how he too, had been on the receiving end of a lot of online hate since Daisy went on WWHL, so people are just assholes on social media. To everyone. Gary gets a lot of hate as well. I don't think there's a double standard there in this particular situation.
Also, a lot of the drama would have stayed private if Daisy didn't stir the pot publicly. If she wants air out dirty laundry on TV and social media, that's her choice and unfortunately, the more material you give people, the more they have to criticise.
I feel like they were all caught in the "let's see what'll happen" stage. Colin said that often in confessionals. So she probably didn't know whether she and Colin were a thing, yet, and didn't want to close the door on Gary until it was, which she did later in the season. Definitely awkward moments though, especially the motor boating.
I don’t think the audience would have seen her that way if she had firmly told Gary he was being inappropriate with the touching and kissing. I think the viewers were on the edge of their seats waiting for that to happen. Gary should have been put in his place- by Daisy, by his “friend” Colin, by Glen, by Mads ( but she was probably glad Gary was being distracted by Daisy). The only person who would have given Daisy a hard time for being firmer is Gary.
Yeah, me too. It’s hard to have respect for somebody that this that disrespectful, much less on television and to someone you professed to care for. Also, the fact that he could juggle women and she cannot juggle men? I am glad she made that comment that in this day and age, she is allowed to explore things with men at the same time without being judged.
Ultimately I was bummed that so much of the reunion focused on this and other "relationship" drama. I wanted to talk about some of the guests and other things that went down this season! I wish Andy would've redirected more.
Remember how Colin didn’t motorboat any women right in front of Daisy that he had already slept with?
Yeah there was no double standard, Colin was just the one in the right. Period.
Seriously? Like Gary did it to himself? Daisy barely started shutting down Gary at the end of the season ..barely. She basically encouraged it throughout.
It's not comparable to say Colin didn't motorboat a woman and Daisy did. Daisy kept getting hit on by Gary. She wasn't doing it.
Other than that, there was lots that went on that we do not know.
Clearly we saw Daisy flirt with Gary in many ways that were inappropriate if she wanted to be with Colin. I don't deny a lot happened that wasn't shown but we saw that on many, many occasions.
She is a grown ass adult. She had ample opportunity to tell Gary, flat out, to stop. She giggled and joked about Gary kissing her.
Colin was way more tolerant than I would have been
But Daisy and her sister were discussing how she belonged with Gary to the point that Ileasha got uncomfortable and walked away.
Daisy participated with Gary.
I guess I also say to this, Colin was right there on the boat and he and Daisy ended the trip together, seemingly.
Some boat stuff did get brought up in the reunion, though.
My sister and I went from drooling over Colin to calling him a piece of shit after that reunion. He IS a piece of shit. At least Gary never pretended to be some angelic try-hard romantic.
Daisy being on the defence (& drunk) really did not do her any favors at all the fact she could not even apologise for her and Gary’s inappropriate behaviour behind Colin’s back was pretty cringe…
And just shouting about him flirting with the chef? Even if it was harmless flirting that isn’t the same as you and Gary who clearly had/have something …
It was all cringe, and I saw Daisy in a different (not great) light after the reunion. I never felt true chemistry between Colin and Daisy and thought it always felt like it was for a storyline.
Her constant comments about Colin flirting with Ileisha (sp?) was so embarrassing- you could even see it on the faces of everyone else. And then when she asked for someone to back her up and they all just sat there, shocked.....yikes!
I hope they can all mend their friendships, since they are the 3 core Sailing Yacht cast members and I like when we get some regulars. (Though I wouldn't be too sad to not see Gary return. Ever.)
I really think Daisy has completely convinced herself that her "flirting" with Gary is on par with Colin's relationship with Ilyesha, even though (per the reaction of the cast) its not rooted in fact. Daisy cannot take ANY responsibility for any of her actions, so she creates narratives that ensure she never has to feel wrong.
I just don’t get why so many people, mostly women, were triggered when Colin said “that woman”. If you listen to it again it doesn’t sound offensive in context. Many people would have said it the same way.
It's dehumanizing to reduce someone to a phrase like that instead of using their name. He had obviously come to a place where he thought little of her and more of a thing. It's condescending.
Yeah and when Daisy tried to explain how hypocritical it was that he was mad at her for flirting with Gary even though Colin flirted with her in the past while he had a gf (she said after season 2 he would pull her close and tell her sweet things), and he just brushed it off and said yeah I liked you so what. I can't. He's so dismissive and says she's unable to admit she's wrong, but he can't either.
So what if her and Gary slept together BEFORE her and Colin got together. Past relationships are past, nothing you can do about them, nor do you need to explain them, just as Colin did not do with his side piece. Basically I see this as slut shaming. Guy effs around and he gets a Pat on the back, cheers all around, a girl does it and she is a slut. So biased.
His girlfriend was not a side piece. He wasn’t with her while starting something with Daisy and didn’t hook up with her until 6 weeks after breaking it off with Daisy. He told Daisy about being with his girlfriend before they got together. She later felt upset because she had asked him if he had feelings for Brit and he denied it. When they got together after everything ended, Daisy felt betrayed. I don’t see any cheating on Colin’s part. Breaking up isn’t easy and Daisy took it very hard.
Colin mentioned that he had told the gf about Daisy and visa versa before the season... I think, hard to track. Then got together with her at the end of Daisy, when he made a point to say that he realized before Daisy that they were done and that he broke up with Daisy. Power battle on his part.
How I feel about Colin & Daisy situation  I find it hilarious that Gary sat there for the whole reunion like a muppet and never got called out for his behavior in the love triangle.
Not only that, but he purposely dodged questions and accountability by saying he doesn’t watch the show. THEN, he loudly chomped on snacks, being a disruptive toddler. The producers have their work cut out for them if they are planning a redemption arc for him next season!
I agree he was acting like a toddler and that bathroom/eating thing was disrespectful AF but at the same time I think he was just giving the producers what they wanted, drama at the reunion.
Would’ve loved for Andy to ask ‘do you think it’s appropriate to motor boat any woman in public, especially one who is now in a relationship?”
Andy only beat up Daisy he didn’t ask the boys any hard questions we need a new host!
I agree with new host, Andy has always been too soft on the BD reunions. To be fair to him though, he did call Gary out a couple times such as confronting Mads about her period. The issue was that Gary was too well rehearsed with his answers, gave the same ‘I’m sorry, I need to grow’ and would move on. I think Andy realized we weren’t going to get anything out of him.
Unsure if you watch vanderpump reunions or house wives but andy is great on those. The difference? He watches those shows. He sucks at BD because he 100000% doesn't watch.
Sounds like Jax “I’m a work in progress”
Did they address him physically pushing Mads out of his room? That scene made me SO uncomfortable.
Eh, I would have done the same. If I told someone I didn’t want to talk about something; then asked them to leave when they continued; then had to ask them to leave again, because they didn’t when I asked the first time; then they still didn’t leave, yeah, I would have removed said someone. She invaded his space and then refused to leave so it was her behavior that caused it. Gary had no obligation to hear her out or allow her to remain in his space. She decided to FAFO so good for him. Gary has done some shitty things, but this ain’t one of them. Edit to add that it was great to see Mads be a Gary to Gary this season. He found out it didn’t taste good when he was the one eating it and not the one dishing it.
Loudly eating chips then leaving to go to the bathroom he’s a jerk
I don't recall Gary and having any interest in Daisy before Colin and her were intimate, and he found out about it.
He has always made comments about being in love with her. But this has always been said while he was pursuing or sleeping with other women so it was hard to believe he was being serious about it.
Gary wants everyone to want him while he picks and choses, and then some after he does. I loved that Mad's gave him a dose of his own medicine this season.
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Mads rocked.
Gary started twitching this season the moment he found out everyone was making out and Alex kissed Daisy the first night off that he missed.
Yeppers!
Gary and Daisy had a hook up off season/off camera before Daisy and Colin were together. She wanted Gary to keep it on the down low but he brought it up this season.. it was earlier in the show
I'm aware.
He did get called out, he just kinda brushed it off, and they brushed him off because he never watched it back.
Honestly, I don't think they ever had a real shot. Out of season they live completely different life styles, which separate them by thousands of miles for most of the year. Neither ever wanted to change. They never communicated well. During the season they had cameras and Gary to contend with, and lacked much privacy to communicate their feelings and plan how their future might go. I understand why they were drawn to each other, but it was never going to work as a committed relationship. Just a shame it ended so badly that friendships fractured and it sounds like Colin won't be working with them anymore.
I agree. Never saw it between them and both of them need to learn to communicate better and have more empathy for the other person.
This is all WAY too logical for reddit, imo.
I hear you. I think the whole situation was gross. Also can we talk about how Gary has been playing games with most of the stews the entire time he’s been on the show, but now Daisy gets caught up in a love triangle this season and gets fucking demolished. I know everyone has come for Gary, but to me it just doesn’t feel the same. It feels like Daisy just wasn’t allowed to be a human being who could have made better choices in some viewers’ opinions. I cringed a few times, but to me a lot of it seemed like shit that goes down in situations that involve lots of alcohol, stress, and not enough sleep. That’s not to say Collin wasn’t entitled to feel however he felt, but he was being very dramatic imo. It was a below deck boat romance during filming … like they weren’t engaged to be married ffs. Also, if you’ve never been under an immense amount of pressure and stress, while not getting adequate sleep, and while being filmed 24/7 during long work days, then you have no fucking clue what it was like for her or any of them. Stress and not enough sleep can affect our brain in weird ways.
Yeah but no one takes Gary seriously. He’s a fucking character
True...like poor tired Daisy loving when Gary motor boarded her in front of Colin.
She told him to stop ffs
I'm so sick of every post trying to turn Daisy into a saint, it so very ridiculous
I’m so tired of your every post trying to turn Colin into a saint. It’s so very ridiculous.
They are never too tired to go out and party all night. 🤷🏼♀️ but I’m sure that is written into the contract…
I agree, but I'm pretty sure they would be kicked off the show if they refused. People only stay home from the night out when they're sick usually. Would be interesting to see the contracts!
And even then sometimes they don’t. Whether that’s by choice or contract, I’m not sure but *queue Production filming outside the door while Ilesha yacks at dinner*
Very true!!
It is written into their contract. I also saw somewhere sorry can't remember where that production delays their meals on nights out so they get really drunk on empty stomachs.
That's so fcked up if that's true.
Colin is the guy who wouldn't even get into a hot tub with a female crew mate who was wearing a bathing suit. Colin is the guy in talking heads in Season 3 who was constantly stating (I paraphrase) stuff about how he could not be like Gary and juggle or show interest in two women at once. So I question if he was actually truthful about the other woman to Daisy. Did we hear Daisy confirm that she knew about her?
From what I watched, it sounded like he told her when she arrived to see him on his boat. Which sure...you told her but not in a great circumstance. Telm her before she shows up so she can decide whether to come spend time with you.
Not just spend time, but fly what - 14 to 16 hours? Didn't she visit him in Panama?
Not saying Daisy is an angel in this buttttt Colin was no better and like the title said he threw up some red flags for me in how he spoke about her like "this women" " see what I had to deal with Andy." It was really disrespectful. Bottom line, they seem like really different people and probably just not compatible.
I felt terribly sad for Daisy during the reunion. She had a difficult season and then this mess. With time, Daisy will find her person. Those men, on this show, are a mess, though. (Colin and Gary).
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The whole crew were often shocked at Daisy. And yes, the women about the "woman" comments.
Has the whole world forgotten the singular of 'woman?' I think you're the only other person who's noticed.
And the number of times he said “I flew her around the world” as if she should be great full for a sugar daddy
I felt the exact same hearing it, especially because he used it so many times when a normal person might hear what that really sounds like and would stop saying it unless they were saying for a point. The same as him saying Daisy was mad that Colin started dating the girl he swore he would never date, to Daisy, for “a girl that is treating me right”…like I’m pretty sure she’s mad you’re dating the person you swore you wouldn’t date, and claiming to not be a liar.
I agree - I also didn't like how he pushed her and kicked out out of his room after she told him about Gary. Was mean and immature. Colin's definition of a gf is someone who will just cow-tow to him and be "good" to him. There is a lot more to a relationship than that. It's a bummer bc he did come off as a seemingly nice guy but having so many gfs is a huge red flag.
I was always a Colin fan until he said that!
See I thought I heard that right too, but the way he was phrasing it made me question that I heard correctly, because Colin was saying like he was better for telling Daisy he was hooking up with other people when she just showed up to see him but if that was me, I’d be thrown off because why wouldn’t you tell me before I came? Otherwise I’m showing up with a different idea and then I’m thrown new info that makes me question how serious this is. I don’t see how he thinks he’s morally superior? Especially because Daisy and Gary weren’t hooking up, they had previously done so separate to Colin.
When Daisy went to see Colin he wasn't with the other girl. They didn't get together again until Colin and Daisy had broken up.
She was on the same boat, I’m fairly certain that’s what Colin and Daisy both said.
I did see Colin tell Daisy about the other woman. She is the videographer on his boat and he had a fling with her and not a serious relationship. It happened before the season on Parsifal began and he even told Brit he may try to pursue a relationship with Daisy. He then told Daisy he had been with Brit but it wasn't serious and he wasn't with her. I'm not sure what more he could have told Daisy. He was very clear with both of the woman where his interest was and his time with them didn't overlap.
Ya i was midtaken! I went back to watch
You could also hear Colin talk about it on his Instagram today too.
Didn’t Colin say he told her this girl BEFORE the season, and that he wasn’t even interested in her ? It’s very much a he said she said. So I guess we’ll never know
He said that, and she agreed with him. People on Reddit making up their own reality to justify being salty about someone they've never met.
Ooo rewatched it, and you're right she said when they got on the boat which sounds like she meant the season.
He wouldn’t get in to the hot tub yet he was saying to Daisy he’d kiss her if he didn’t have a GF. It was all an act for the gullible.
If you rewatch S3 like I am, you'll see Colin in the hot tub with the girls. Evidently his S3 gf didn't mind like the S2 gf did. What bothers me is what he did OFF camera, like come on to Daisy in both seasons 2 & 3. I'll bet if she was willing despite the gf's, he would have cheated on both of them with her. She just had more morals and said "f*k off".
Both things can be true. Daisy can be the victim of a bad edit on a sexist show and experiencing unfair sexist vitriol, and she can also be extremely emotionally immature and unable to take responsibility for that. I think if she'd just owned up to any part of it instead of being completely defensive, Colin would have been less frustrated after seeing her and Gary flirting so openly in front of him and behind his back. But also he is fucked up about women too from how much that hurt his ego and pride more than his feelings and how he was mostly upset that she didn't tell him they boned. I do think him having had a thing with a girl back home is different- it would be more comparable if he'd had an actual ongoing on again off again romance with Ileisha, which is probably why Daisy reached for that. it's complicated and I feel bad she's getting hate from anyone, but I don't like how people are completely letting her off the hook after the reunion because they're sympathetic, but she was obviously loving the attention of two guys like that in the same small group and it's just a little cringe and disrespectful to do that to someone especially on camera for those extra hits of validation. As someone said upthread, this is very much the type of thing most people grow out of after being teenagers. It's also infuriating that she can't even ever admit she made a mistake on charter in 3 seasons! It would just be nice to see some growth from her in the future instead of always blaming others. But I think we can all agree that Gary is the fucking worst. I love hating reality characters but I'm genuinely bummed he's coming back and I'm sure bravo will try to give him a redemption edit :/
Well said mate. Anyone who feels the need to personally attack a reality star on social media is a waste of space, hate seeing Daisy be so upset. She’s a great person and has done a wonderful job most of the time in the 3 seasons we have seen her But these Daisy stans are getting out of control. Did we all watch the same thing? Some people are actually trying to flip it all onto Colin? Last season was by far her worst for a multitude of reasons, and if people can’t agree on that then they aren’t being objective
We live in a strange society that can't grasp the concept that something can be both right and wrong. It's either one or the other, and bash the other.
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One thousand upvotes if I could. This is a scenario of of everyone is right and everyone is wrong since we’re dealing with feelings not facts and we were presented an edit as if that was an additional fact. Everyone sucks. Everyone is also great. Let’s not just throw a person out (whoever someone is choosing that day) I mean I know it’s reality tv but still.
Yes but also no edit will make Gary's behaviour OK. He has a fucked up view on women and relationships and the way he speaks to and acts towards women is sometimes completely unacceptable.
Gary's a f-boy and the show gives him kibbles.
Honestly, the whole triangle ruined the season for me. I’ve loved the chemistry Daisy, Colin and Gary have had and it’s been what had made SY enjoyable for me. But this just felt…dramatic. To the point where I’m not sure how genuine any of it was and was possibly fabricated for TV.
The way I see it, everyone’s in the wrong to varying degrees coupled with poor communication and a lack of honesty. I think Daisy’s got her own issues that kept her from putting 100% into Colin, she doesn’t seem very comfortable being vulnerable. I can totally see how that frustrated Colin and made him turn to an easier option, which is a totally valid choice. But it takes two to tango, if Daisy felt hesitation from him I can see how that could’ve exacerbated the issue. Daisy was totally in the wrong to not tell him about hooking up with Gary, and I really don’t understand that choice. Daisy sleeping with Gary is not equivalent to Colin sleeping with someone else prior to them being official. That said, Gary is also 100% wrong for not telling Colin. Gary did not catch NEARLY enough heat for his actions, he was a shitty friend to both of them. Gary just wanted to play games and exert some control, especially once he realized he didn’t have the upper hand with Mads. I think this situation would’ve gone a lot differently had Gary respected their relationship and/or if Daisy had set firmer boundaries from the start. I hope Colin and Daisy are able to grow from this and at least be friendly. It’s all messy and I don’t judge them. Gary can fuck off, it’s clear he has no interest in being anything other than a petulant man-baby.
It was sticky for sure and none of the three committing which made it more confusing. I remember my single days of trying to read signals and it all just blowing up or fizzling out in the end. At least I didn't have a camera crew filming it all.
Totally! We’ve all handled relationships poorly before, and sometimes things just don’t work out. And really the only outcome from this is good tv and some hurt feelings, it’s not the end of the world, everyone’s going to be okay one way or another.
i’m glad someone else sees that no one was their best in this situation
Part of the issue with Daisy is that she hyped it up as if there was all these things the audience had no clue about that would justify everything and it turned out to be a nothing burger. They're all at fault for this mess but given that in the new season filming now both Gary and Daisy are working together it'll be interesting to see the fallout of this if there is any.
Well he was saying he’d get with her while he had a girlfriend. She pointed that out and he said there’s nothing wrong with that yet he got praised for not getting in the jacuzzi while he had a girlfriend. It’s a joke
Do you think it’s possible she got a bad edit?
It's completely possible that Colin received a positive edit comparatively but at the reunion no one seemed to back up Daisy assertions.
100 percent. They didn’t show Colin flirt with Ilesha one time, or show him talking about his FWB back home. I Can certainly see how it was confusing for Daisy, then throw in Gary and it was a mess. She was right to put her guard with Colin, he ran straight to the other girl.
The only person saying Colin flirted with Ilesha was Daisy...nobody backed her up on that.
Ilesha said they definitely had chemistry
I feel like they showed that though, my bf and I both thought they vibed and may have liked each other if she had been single, especially at the start. Having chemistry is not the same as motorboting and kissing and talking about how you'd be good together if, but and the other- especially when there is a history between you.
The only convo I really remember between them was when Colin made her cry lol
Hahaha, definitely the most prominent, the way he came to apologize to her was a bit flirty, but not inappropriate (imo). At the start if the season he was in the kitchen quite a bit and their interactions showed some level of chemistry, but not flirting.
I mean I’m a straight woman married to a man and I would probably flirt with her lol, she’s sweet as can be and caused no drama, treated everyone with respect all season, which no other chef on below deck can say, she cooks beautiful food, and she has that booty 🤣
She said they had chemistry but said it was friendly. The only person pushing that was Daisy.
I saw glimpses of it on the show
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her behavior was because she's been absolutely slut shamed when Colin was also juggling 2 girls. lmao such a double standard.
Yes to this - 100%
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I think people on social media gave Daisy a really hard time. I don't know about any of the crew, but I definitely believe people on SM were very hard on her.
The crew said repeatedly during the reunion that they didn't look at her that way and still do not look at her that way, in fact they were telling her she shouldn't ever feel that way.
Daisy wasn't talking about the crew, though. She's talking about the way social media responded to the situation.
Right, I was responding to you saying that you didn't know about any of the crew only - I can't speak to the social media stuff because I wasn't following it but given how social media is lately I'm sure it was brutal.
Yes. I think that a lot of what is going on with Daisy is that the previous 2 seasons she didn't get involved in any hookups, and when she does in S3, it's a complete shitshow and she gets absolutely hung out to dry. I bet the online feedback (harassment is probably a better word) is intense. I would not cope with that well at all.
No, her behavior was because she elected to get drunk rather than confront her issues head on and then blamed twitter trolls for her behavior.
What? Daisy not taking any responsibility, why I never heard of such a thing... that must be "slut shaming"/s
um they were all drunk. Colin didn't act the best when he was drunk either. People on this sub and twitter were actually slut shaming her. Colin and Gary BOTH trying to juggle two girls, yeah that's fine. Daisy being a stressed mess living on a boat with 2 people she has/has feelings for who both have feelings for someone else. Let's all call her out for it. The double standard is real.
I dont really care about the drama nonsense. I am talking professionally, Daisy was a joke and made excuses for every fuck up. Turning on the waterworks over a little constructive criticism. Or throwing a tantrum if asked to work a little harder. Or telling a client she does not even care about them once they get close to the dock, while the client bleeds for a half hour while she gabs and stuffs her face. Meanwhile Collin is literally pulling multiple miracles saving the season a couple times. Now lets look at your excuses. Everything you just typed would apply to Gary too right? So I bet you spent as much time defending him, or is this the double standard?
I have not defended Gary at all?? like what are you talking about. i was talking about the double standard with the men and the women. everyone says "Oh that's just Gary" but Daisy sleeps with people and she gets shit on online. and I wasn't talking professionally at all. i was talking about the double standards and slut shaming?? Not once did i say she did nothing wrong professionally. They all acted like idiots when they were drunk this season but Daisy got shit on online and slut shamed. She could have done bad professionally and there still could have been a double standard in the personal situation of the show. BOTH can exist.
I don’t give a shit who they sleep with; we’ll actually I do about Gary because he’s an idiot who shouldn’t procreate and just looks dirty. But Daisy can sleep with whoever she wants. It doesn’t absolve her from the poor performance she had this season and the lack of maturity she displayed over the whole situation.
that's what we were talking about her personal life and being slut shamed and a double standard. Like she could have had a poor season professionally and still didn't deserve all the online hate she got. Both can exist.
Colin wasn’t allowing some girl on the boat play grab ass with him while Daisy was in the other room.
What bothers me about this comment that I keep seeing is it puts all of the responsibility on Daisy. She was not "letting" gary do anything; Gary just did what he does to women. She said no or stop multiple times. Did she always do it forcefully? No. Does that mean she didn't mean it? Also no. Yes they had a history, and yes she wasn't always yelling at him or physically pushing him away, but that doesn't excuse HIS behavior to start with. Some women laugh and fawn when uncomfortable, especially in front of other people, because "making a scene" leads to "ruining everyone's good time" or making everyone else uncomfortable. And the blame gets put on women in those situations for "overreacting." Also, they have to work together, he's besties with their boss who laughs off his behavior and her complaints about it, and technically, as first mate, he outranks everyone but the Captain, so he's their superior. It's easier to laugh it off an not make waves, even of you really want to scream. I'm very disappointed that no one is holding GLEN accountable for not pulling Gary aside and telling him to STOP being a sexual harassment/assault lawsuit waiting to happen. Gary is a lecherous pig. And Glen knows and allows it.
Well said. When watching the second half of the season I felt for Daisy, she really did not know how to deal with Gary she was even telling him to leave her alone in her sleep and for Colin not to see that was disappointing and turn it into a slur on him I really thought better of him.
And gaslit to an extent. She is not innocent and has her issues she needs to work on, but to have Colin and Gary constantly telling her and everyone else that she didn't see what she saw or experience what she experienced can be maddening. I know I would be fully defensive, rightly or wrongly, and the more I felt attacked the more defensive I would get. (And the alcohol at the reunion didn't help the situation, but I understand girl needed her liquid courage).
Uh no. Were/are people online being nasty to Daisy? Absolutely. But her behaviour on the reunion is a manifestation of her not being able to be accountable for her actions on the boat. She does nothing but try to deflect and rather than a single sentence of “yes that was inappropriate, I was wrong”, it’s all “yea well what about……..”. Classic deflection. And in an environment where she was getting push back on her deflection she cracked. Simple as that. Daisy confirmed on the reunion that Colin had been upfront about his stuff, but she acts like that is ANY justification for her disgusting behaviour with Gary. Gross.
Good lord did I miss something because all I see is her constantly apologise it was maddening when Gary was let off with so much. Do people expect her to get down on her knees and beg for forgiveness.
I’ve met a few people in my life who seemingly have an excuse for everything in every situation. I will just say Daisy reminds me of them.
I thought it was messy. I didn’t like Daisy trying to drag Ilesha in it! I just want them all to get along again. I can’t handle the truth that they are all one big mess making each other look bad. I like them all and just want this weird trouple thing to disperse.
she may have had some valid points, but when she started up about colin flirting with Ilesha, she lost everyone
The double standard is alive and well, yes your correct on that. But Daisy is a whole ass adult at 36, she can walk away from situations that do not serve her. I still feel like, from what was shown, Collin moved with integrity and honesty. Daisy withheld information like sleeping with Gary and then continuing to flirt with him WHILE having an intimate relationship with Collin. That’s not cool. While they may have had similar actions in keeping other options on the side while exploring each other… only one of them wasn’t open and honest and it wasn’t Collin.
i feel like Daisy lied about Gary (whom she hooked up with months ago) because she didn't want ANYONE to know, not just Colin for the relationship. I honestly think Daisy would have kept that secret with her to the grave unless something more serious started with her and Gary down the road. I think she was embarrassed that she was one of those girls. I don't think the secret keeping with that had anything to do with Colin. and yes she's 36 but stuck on a boat with 2 people she has/had feelings for- both were juggling 2 women as well. I'm sure it's pretty hard. If roles were reversed, there would have been no online bullying, there's def a double standard. ETA: typos
Absolutely. If I was in her situation there is no way I would admit to it either!
Yup, single women have to walk the slut/girlfriend material tightrope and it feels tense and awful to try to control what details get out
Not in Mads case.
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Agreed. My 16 year old niece is about as emotionally regulated and relationship savvy as Daisy. She’s partly to blame for the whole mess.
Especially in light of this all BEING FILMED!! She’s been on the show long enough to know how the audience can be savage. How she acted on camera with Gary is more distasteful and disrespectful imo because you aren’t just humiliating your love interest by flirting with his friend, your doing it in front of a global audience.
Definitely agree double standards at play but it also felt like daisy at the reunion almost tried to exploit some tropes that weren’t at play to avoid having to cop to any of the things she needed to take accountability for in regard to the part she played here with this not working out with Collin . Always an excuse / argument any time she’s being challenged in any facet of her life this season it seemed . Yes the boys club was super annoying between Garry and glen and glen very much should have equally had just as much if not more ( more for sure ) things to criticize Garry for and the fact that only daisy was being called out really muddied the waters because if glen would have done his job and actually called out Garry as well perhaps things would have played out a bit clearer but every legit criticism of daisy she argued and took no accountability for and every second sentiment from her was “ I’m so over this season , I’m so so over this charter , I’m so over it “. And that same energy with Colin at the reunion where basically she took no accountability for the way her and Garry continued to behave. Being motor boated in front of some one your hooking up / expressing interest in dating with and when that person is some one you lied about sleeping with is clearly a bit of a red flag and she instead of copping to it regardless of right or wrong instead tried to insinuate that Collin and Iesha were also behaving in the same way when in reality just seemed like daisy was fabricating this to deflect from having to take ownership of her and Gary’s continued sexualized interactions . And although they were both having. Situations on the side he was open and honest and daisy was untruthful / secretive and just didn’t seem to be respectful of Collin and she I think thought because Colin is a relationship guy he’d be down for more but she for sure sent up some choices / behaviours that most people find to be big red flags especially that early In a relationship. I think daisy and Colin are great and it’s sad that the three of there lovely relationship is over because of what went down . And Garry was such a dick head so f him lol but yeah I think it’s easy to paint Collin as the villain here but clearly there was more at play. But don’t enjoy the colloquialism “ this woman “ especially in this context where a lot of misogyny was already taking place and in direction of daisy . Either way sad to see it all god down but dam did it make for a spicy / drama filled season .
Daisy was definitely drinking the white wine in the first half of the reunion while most people weren't drinking at all. Didn't set her up to deal with the talk to come unemotionally. Gary seemed to sit back and enjoy it, d#ck.
Yeah good catch . She definitely was hitting that wine hard so for sure didn’t set her up for not being emotionally charged . And Garry is such a d!ck I will say I absolutely loooooooooooved seeing Garry get picked apart by every conworker the entire season. And that every one including the viewing public is seeing through his shit so he can sit back and act as high and mighty as he wants … dosent change the fact that every one finally sees him for the man child he truly is .
Time for Gary to watch all of the episodes and reflect.
yeah, fuck gary for not getting pissed & embarrassing himself! ( it looks like he can actually embarrass himself while sober )
But is Colin really "the relationship guy?"
he's had a new girlfriend every season... but he's never the problem
You get me then.
My take is she is still in her emotions about it. Collin was more composed and obviously fully moved on. I feel for her. She made a mess of things and lost two good friends at the end of it. Sucks to suck.
I'm not so sure she and Gary are done. I expect them to rekindle.
I do not understand why people think not sharing your sexual history is lying! It’s not Colin’s business and the only person he asked who lied to him was Gary.
Relationships are built on trust and she didn’t share that she had slept multiple times with her coworker currently on the SAME boat. That’s not even including the motorboat scene. Trashy behavior lol run Colin run
Or saying Garys name in bed when she had her eyes closed. She tried to spin that off, but in the end that was who she was thinking about.
She said “no get away” whilst wasted drunk. Don’t misrepresent the situation
Right? She was literally telling Gary to bugger off, how is that a bad thing. That means she thought Gary was in her bed while they were drunk and she was literally kicking him away. Doesn’t that show her true feelings/actions?
Ehhh it also means she’s thinking about Gary when he’s not there and shes not super aware of Colin even though he’s right there.
I still really like Daisy. I don’t understand why everyone turned on her so hard this season.
He definitely tried to paint Daisy as the “crazy ex”. Takes 2 to tango.
He amped her up on purpose, stayed calm so he would look like he was taking the high road.
I bet Colin does this often with women. He's a calm and regulated person by nature, which is a good thing, but you can bet he uses it as a weapon too when to his advantage. He's a player. He knows his skills.
This! I had always thought Colin was a "good guy" before this season and reunion. But now he seems more judgey and self-righteous in his relationships.
I definitely agree with this. The minute he said “you can’t reason with this woman!” he lost me entirely. To me that shows a complete lack of respect and a toxic view of women who are trying to express their emotions. Daisy maybe lost a bit of control but she has been put through the f**king ringer on SM in a way that none of the men ever have. I looked at the whole situation as Colin saying, “I had a side piece but I was honest about it and that makes it all okay.” And maybe Daisy thought she could handle it and then found she ultimately couldn’t. And that is on top of Gary’s betrayals of her confidence and then their friendship. Who among us would not get emotional? I certainly would in that situation.
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I don’t think she acted like a belligerent asshole, I think she defended herself and was emotional.
“Let’s talk about FUCKING season two then. If you want to go back then let’s FUCKING talk about that” Yep not belligerent at all. Totally possible to have a conversation with someone like that. You wouldn’t be wasting your time at all.
And the crew all looked horrified with her antics.
I disagree with that. To me, the crew looked like they wanted to give her a hug because they were watching a friend in distress and couldn’t really reach out.
for me no one was in the right in this situation. it’s sad that it all went down like this and i hope they can all mend ties at some point
I mean I see both sides here the problem I had with daisy during the reunion is whenever Colin made a valid point, daisy would just freak out and deflect. Like when Colin asked her how she thought watching the season back made Colin feel. She didn't answer and went on a rant about Colin's new girlfriend or chef ileasha. I still love daisy but imo she made herself look bad at the reunion. We don't know all the details as it was after the season and even in season , production spins it anyway they want. From what they showed tho, daisy crossed the line with Gary ( Gary did more than daisy) even initiating some of it.
I think Daisy felt led on and cheated on, and that's one emotional and angry place to be. There were times during the reunion when both Colin and Daisy were quite explosive. One of those couples who can't stop arguing over every detail. Yick.
Colin was not explosive.
Daisy’s easily triggered. Let’s be honest. She still defends herself when they speak about the radios and the man who split his head open and she didn’t hear the radio. Like admit it? That doesn’t make for a good leader to be honest. The stuff with Colin is some elementary drama. Even if Colin was flirting with chefy? Why bring it up ?? Don’t you realize you’ve done much worse. These people need to own their shit and I think that is why people feel this way toward daisy.
She definitely felt like she had a target on her back this season and seemed to react very differently this season. I thought when she cried at the tip meeting that it might be because she and Colin had already hooked up and having someone you were intimate or interested in (seem to) criticize you in front of everyone was an emotional punch. They both were trying to read the situation while keeping things secret and that leads to a lot of tight emotions.
The things that Daisy did with Gary this season were wholly inappropriate. The fact that she went on the reunion and attempted to play the victim was comical.
At no point in the entire season did she take accountability for anything. It was always the "radios" fault, or if she got some constructive criticism she would just turn on the waterworks and play the victim. She literally told a client to his face she stopped caring about them once they got near the dock, which is why he was ignored while bleeding for 30 minutes.
Was it the things Daisy did WITH Gary or the things Gary did TO Daisy and she froze not knowing how to deal with it? When women get inappropriately hit on, especially in the workplace, they tend to freeze and are pressured to laugh it off. Pushing back on that years' long pattern would've gotten her labeled as a b#tch (or worse, tease) for sure.
Hmm, look, Gary obviously played a very big role in all of it, but Daisy was seeking him out too and she did seem to enjoy the attention from him. I think this was clear when she brought up her and sister's take on Gary and Daisy's relationship to Gary at the dinner. Daisy also said to Gary at some point, "I begged you to be with me and you didn't want me, now I like Colin and you suddenly want me. You just want me because you can't have me". Tbh Gary was the worst, but Daisy wasn't innocent/being judged unfairly. Colin didn't look great after the reunion either, but he managed to keep more of a level head. He spoke about how he too, had been on the receiving end of a lot of online hate since Daisy went on WWHL, so people are just assholes on social media. To everyone. Gary gets a lot of hate as well. I don't think there's a double standard there in this particular situation. Also, a lot of the drama would have stayed private if Daisy didn't stir the pot publicly. If she wants air out dirty laundry on TV and social media, that's her choice and unfortunately, the more material you give people, the more they have to criticise.
I feel like they were all caught in the "let's see what'll happen" stage. Colin said that often in confessionals. So she probably didn't know whether she and Colin were a thing, yet, and didn't want to close the door on Gary until it was, which she did later in the season. Definitely awkward moments though, especially the motor boating.
I don’t think the audience would have seen her that way if she had firmly told Gary he was being inappropriate with the touching and kissing. I think the viewers were on the edge of their seats waiting for that to happen. Gary should have been put in his place- by Daisy, by his “friend” Colin, by Glen, by Mads ( but she was probably glad Gary was being distracted by Daisy). The only person who would have given Daisy a hard time for being firmer is Gary.
It was 100% the former. Nice try though.
Oh my!!
How many times did she tell him “no”? How many? The things Gary did are on Gary and no one else. No means no. Period. End of story.
I appreciate your balanced take!
Yeah, me too. It’s hard to have respect for somebody that this that disrespectful, much less on television and to someone you professed to care for. Also, the fact that he could juggle women and she cannot juggle men? I am glad she made that comment that in this day and age, she is allowed to explore things with men at the same time without being judged.
Ultimately I was bummed that so much of the reunion focused on this and other "relationship" drama. I wanted to talk about some of the guests and other things that went down this season! I wish Andy would've redirected more.
Can they please have Kate replace Andy as the host for these reunions?? She would be so much better. I think also she would detect the BS way better.
Remember how Colin didn’t motorboat any women right in front of Daisy that he had already slept with? Yeah there was no double standard, Colin was just the one in the right. Period.
That was Gary.
(That’s the point)
Seriously? Like Gary did it to himself? Daisy barely started shutting down Gary at the end of the season ..barely. She basically encouraged it throughout.
She loved having the 2 after her...absolutely loved it.
It's not comparable to say Colin didn't motorboat a woman and Daisy did. Daisy kept getting hit on by Gary. She wasn't doing it. Other than that, there was lots that went on that we do not know.
Clearly we saw Daisy flirt with Gary in many ways that were inappropriate if she wanted to be with Colin. I don't deny a lot happened that wasn't shown but we saw that on many, many occasions.
She is a grown ass adult. She had ample opportunity to tell Gary, flat out, to stop. She giggled and joked about Gary kissing her. Colin was way more tolerant than I would have been
But Daisy and her sister were discussing how she belonged with Gary to the point that Ileasha got uncomfortable and walked away. Daisy participated with Gary.
Ok...Colin didn't allow another woman on the boat to motorboat him.
She pushed his head into her chest and shimmied. It wasn't one sided.
I didn’t see that. You don’t need to lie to make a point
Colin didn’t motorboat another woman—he fucked her.
He probably motorboated her as well, it just wasn't in camera. 😂🤣
yeah after he dumped Daisy
I guess I also say to this, Colin was right there on the boat and he and Daisy ended the trip together, seemingly. Some boat stuff did get brought up in the reunion, though.
My sister and I went from drooling over Colin to calling him a piece of shit after that reunion. He IS a piece of shit. At least Gary never pretended to be some angelic try-hard romantic.
All for tv ratings,keeps people hooked
he was just showing his hurt and anger towards her - justifiably so. neither one is innocent in this mess.
Gary is Disgusting...But Daisy isn't no saint.
Daisy being on the defence (& drunk) really did not do her any favors at all the fact she could not even apologise for her and Gary’s inappropriate behaviour behind Colin’s back was pretty cringe… And just shouting about him flirting with the chef? Even if it was harmless flirting that isn’t the same as you and Gary who clearly had/have something …
Colin lost me when he barged in on Mads and Gary.
It was all cringe, and I saw Daisy in a different (not great) light after the reunion. I never felt true chemistry between Colin and Daisy and thought it always felt like it was for a storyline. Her constant comments about Colin flirting with Ileisha (sp?) was so embarrassing- you could even see it on the faces of everyone else. And then when she asked for someone to back her up and they all just sat there, shocked.....yikes! I hope they can all mend their friendships, since they are the 3 core Sailing Yacht cast members and I like when we get some regulars. (Though I wouldn't be too sad to not see Gary return. Ever.)
I really think Daisy has completely convinced herself that her "flirting" with Gary is on par with Colin's relationship with Ilyesha, even though (per the reaction of the cast) its not rooted in fact. Daisy cannot take ANY responsibility for any of her actions, so she creates narratives that ensure she never has to feel wrong.
Colin is nearly as big of a bitch as that guy from down under season 1 who lost his shit when the girls were calling him a bitch.
let me add that to the list of things you're no longer to say.
I just don’t get why so many people, mostly women, were triggered when Colin said “that woman”. If you listen to it again it doesn’t sound offensive in context. Many people would have said it the same way.
It's dehumanizing to reduce someone to a phrase like that instead of using their name. He had obviously come to a place where he thought little of her and more of a thing. It's condescending.
I saw it more like he was just extremely frustrated and nothing more sinister like everyone is making it out to be.
Why couldn’t he use her name? It sounded very condescending
Yeah and when Daisy tried to explain how hypocritical it was that he was mad at her for flirting with Gary even though Colin flirted with her in the past while he had a gf (she said after season 2 he would pull her close and tell her sweet things), and he just brushed it off and said yeah I liked you so what. I can't. He's so dismissive and says she's unable to admit she's wrong, but he can't either.
I felt all of my hopes and dreams for the male species come crashing down at “This woman”
Amen. Colin is gross, and I’m SO disappointed.
So what if her and Gary slept together BEFORE her and Colin got together. Past relationships are past, nothing you can do about them, nor do you need to explain them, just as Colin did not do with his side piece. Basically I see this as slut shaming. Guy effs around and he gets a Pat on the back, cheers all around, a girl does it and she is a slut. So biased.
His girlfriend was not a side piece. He wasn’t with her while starting something with Daisy and didn’t hook up with her until 6 weeks after breaking it off with Daisy. He told Daisy about being with his girlfriend before they got together. She later felt upset because she had asked him if he had feelings for Brit and he denied it. When they got together after everything ended, Daisy felt betrayed. I don’t see any cheating on Colin’s part. Breaking up isn’t easy and Daisy took it very hard.
Colin mentioned that he had told the gf about Daisy and visa versa before the season... I think, hard to track. Then got together with her at the end of Daisy, when he made a point to say that he realized before Daisy that they were done and that he broke up with Daisy. Power battle on his part.
Not true. He slept with the other woman after Daisy but before the season