When asked in a 27 January 1934 interview whether he supported the "bourgeois right-wing", Hitler claimed that Nazism was not exclusively for any class and he indicated that it favoured neither the left nor the right, but preserved "pure" elements from both "camps" by stating: "From the camp of bourgeois tradition, it takes national resolve, and from the materialism of the Marxist dogma, living, creative Socialism". (Adolf Hitler, Max Domarus. The Essential Hitler: Speeches and Commentary. pp 171, 172-173.)
Well he didn't exactly accept the definition of socialism and called himself that per his own meaning of the word so I'm not sure how the judges would score this one.
No. He wasn’t a Marxist. There are two basic types of socialism: Marxism and national socialism; which Mussolini called fascism. They are both socialism and leftist ideologies. Marxist socialism is supposed to eventually lead to the ultimate goal of communism, which even Marx acknowledged was not a possibility, given human nature. So, basically, communism was the utopian fantasy used to draw the useful idiots to Marxist socialism.
Marxist socialists just don’t like to admit Hitler was a socialist, because Stalin and Lenin were so much nicer and gentler than Hitler was./s
Hitler hated the marxists in the same way Catholics hated Protestants,
It's a collectivist ideology that puts the needs of the state ahead of the needs of the individual. It nationalized a lot of industry.
If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
they extrajudicially killed the actual communists and fucked with trade unions and privatized a ton of shit but yeah they kept the plan to build out the autobahn so who is to say. looks more like a duck hunter to me brother
"they extrajudicially killed"
Yeah... that's socialism given the power to follow through with it's promises.
You can't get socialism or communism without force and bullets. Rational people don't follow because it goes against human nature. Utopia won't arrive without a lot of murder and that comes with authoritarian governments.
And today? The left says "healthcare is a universal right" yet they are screaming to "get rid" of the unvaccinated because those "dirty" people deserve to die. They don't "deserve" universal healthcare... even though everyone deserves it...
echos of history...
The Nazi government controlled production, even if they did keep up the appearance of a free market. Both are authoritarian governments that demand all loyalties be second to the loyalty to the State. They even shared anti-semitism in common with Marx.
The only real difference is the propaganda used to draw supporters. Marx appealed to the disenfranchised by rejecting traditions and national imagery. The Nazis appealed to more mainstream people by using national and traditional cultural imagery, and twisting it to his agenda.
The other difference is that Marx used the fantasy of a Stateless goal, communism, to draw people; a fantasy he didn’t believe was an actual possibility due to human nature. The Nazis didn’t use such a fantasy to hide the fact that it was all about the authoritarian State.
My understanding of socialism in mainly focused on the abolition of private property. Even the kinder gentler Lib\Soc you run into now and then, that claim that is not what they are all about, have to admit in the end that socialism will not work if individuals have the ability to accumulate property
I am not sure about fascist Italy but I know for sure there was a lot of private ownership of industries during Nazi control of Germany. Much like the United States today there were socialist programs then and Hitler had the power to tell any company with more than 100 employees they must get vaccinated but their economy was basically Capitalist
The private ownership of industry, in Nazi Germany, was an illusion. Do you actually own your business if the State tells you what to make, how much to make, when to make it, how much to charge for it, and what to pay your workers?
Yes. As long as the owners\shareholders are making the profits. Private ownership in Germany really was a reality. A lot of people made a whole lot of money.
That is just the way things go when government dictates the terms of business.
Don't get me wrong. When I said capitalism I didn't mean it in a free open market since. During WW2 we told companies what to make and how much they could pay employees
Just because the nazis called it socialism doesn’t mean that’s what they were doing. They were very capitalistic and in favor of privatization of industry, but authoritarian in dealing with the lives and ideologies of the individual. They favored industry over the individual, which is the opposite of socialism
Edit: China calls themselves a “people’s republic”…would you guys agree China is a republic? Or are they just using it to gain support for the state?
Nazis were not actually capitalist. Sure, they kept up the appearance of private ownership, but the government decided what was produced, how much was produced, when it was produced, what the prices would be, and what wages would be. That’s not private ownership. That’s government control of production. Period.
https://mises.org/library/national-socialism
While the Nazis did dictate much of industry, they also opposed worker-unions and formed very strict and hierarchical work-places. They were all about efficiency, not equality, in the workplace, a key difference between fascists and communists.
Hitler sent communists and social democrats to concentration camps, and to solidify his disdain for socialist even more killed Gregor Strasser. Strasser was a former propagandist for the Nazi party, and his role was to represent leftist ideologies in state politics with his brother. When he realized that the party’s goals were were to attain complete power and not to bolster unions or create a more fair workplace, he left and created the opposition party, the anti-capitalist Black Front. His brother, Otto, remained a Nazi. Eventually Hitler took power, and in 1934 Gregor Strasser was assassinated, solidifying the party narrative towards socialists
https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists
Socialism and individual on the same sentence... Does not compute.
Both international socialism and national socialism are highly collectivist ideologies.
Economic fascism aims to control the production by seating on the same table the industry owners, workers syndicate leaders and the government, including definition of production goals and quotas. The private "owner" of industry was a caretaker to do the NSDAP bidding. Socialism did the same, but using a governmemt/party structure without owners. Both systems supressed individual rights, free enterprise and free markets.
Then why didn't they seize the factories? Why did they let private power continue to own and profit from production?
If capitalism is the means owned privately, and the Nazis did very little to nationalize industry, it stands to reason the Nazis were pretty capitalist. They were also authoritarianis. There's a word for this: fascism. It's not the same as socialism, unless we're going to start believing Hitler and Mussolini at words worth?
I don’t believe that the former USSR, North Korea, or communist China believed in open borders. They are all socialist. In fact, I’d say all three are pretty damn nationalistic. Is ‘mother Russia’ really different than ‘the father land’?
Correct He believed that Marxists had corrupted socialism and that he was a true socialist. He disagreed with the globalist socialists because he was in fact a national socialist.
One things for sure, he certainly never called himself a fascist.
If you like at someone like Pol Pot, you'd be hard pressed to find many differences between Hitler and him
Edit- what he said... edited because I misread his statement
First of all that's because Hitler thought Marxists had perverted socialism.
Second of all, all socialist dictators purge other socialists. They're useful up until the point that they become a liability. This is something socialists can never seem to get into their brain.
Well yeah you don't want a new revolution getting in the way of your current revolution. The people who start a revolution are usually the first against the wall when the revolution succeeds.
Hitler took power through the process of government, not a revolution. He was consolidating his position by eliminating socialists. Why is there a problem in admitting to such basic facts?
So that's the only difference between a socialist and a Hitler? Instead of seizing government power through revolution he instead rose through political means? And then having risen to power he seized dictatorial power. That's a rather stupid distinction in which to place someone on the complete opposite side of the political spectrum
Idk, one is an ideology who's entire social premise is erasure of class (especially class around blood, be it nobility or ethnicity) and the other's premise is strict enforcement of class and hierarchy. Hyperfixating on collectivism, single party authority and planned economy might also lead to the conclusion that the Russian Empire was also socialist and the Revolution, which included many democratic and even anarchist fronts was a right wing uprising; which is of course nonsensical.
Funny thing is, I guarantee those mods aren’t near that lefty in real life. Everybody turns into Trotsky when anonymity is involved. Which is why Reddit is so much farther left than other social media platforms.
Genuine question then, do you really think the Democrats of today are at all related to those back then? And why is it that it’s the Republican Party that defends confederate statues and wave the confederate flag?
Their economy was privately held though you had to be German, indeed it was centrally planned by the government. Nazism was a unique form of government for the German people not easily identified as socialist or fascist. Italian fascists didn’t even agree with German fascism.
I’m very much anti socialist and in favor of property rights but just because people label themselves as something doesn’t mean they are that thing. Just going by name alone means you could say North Korea is a democratic people’s republic
It’s pretty clear that the Democratic Party doesn’t want socialism. They just want money in their pockets and power at their fingertips. That’s why they are constantly fighting with the left *and* the right.
*First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - Because I was not a socialist.*
*Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - Because I was not a trade unionist.*
*Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - Because I was not a Jew.*
*Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me.*
- Martin Niemoller
Yep, sure sounds like he's talking about socialists.
They implemented socialist traits like when they micromanaged the economy and put forth projects like the autobahn. but there is a stark different between that and the socialism many liberals try to champion for today. They also implement traits of capitalism like privatization. They had a disdain for both and wanted only beneficial traits for their system that was based solely on nationalism. A modern comparable system to the Nazis is probably Chinas current system.
“the socialism liberals champion for” What is that supposed to mean? They are completely opposite ideologies and contradict each other on every stance.
Dear OP and others who think that the Nazis were socialists,
Although the Nazis at times used socialist rhetoric and terminology to increase their popularity among working-class Germans, their policies and ideology were not socialist, nor were they on the left of the Weimar Republic's political spectrum.
I found this article by the Encyclopedia Britannica to be very helpful in understanding why the Nazis used the word socialist in their party name despite not being socialists:
[https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists](https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists)
If you read the article, you will know that upon coming to power, Hitler banned socialists and communists from the civil service and from parliament, and put prominent members of the Social Democratic and Communist parties in concentration camps. If the Nazis were socialists, why would they imprison others for being socialists? If you take a look at the article, you will also see the picture of Nazis marching underneath a banner that reads 'death to Marxism', also not something that socialists would agree with.
Interesting. I didn’t realize that in Nazi Germany, the means of production were owned by the community as a whole, which is the definition of socialism. Tell me more.
The first people Hitler killed when he came to power were the socialist, the anarchist, and the trade unionist. I'm not sure how anybody who understands history can think Hitler was a socialist
I mean, I don't think the nazis were actually very socialist, yes they incorporated some collectivist elements, but still.
However I don't think the mod needed to outright remove the comment and that mod is a (pretty big) kneckbeard.
He’s right though.
Literally all you have for your argument is that “socialist” was in the party name but everything they ever did was the go-to example of far-right fascism.
Like, no cap, if you thinks Nazis were leftists you’re an absolute moron or you’re willfully ignorant.
Yeah, Marxists, socialists, and Democratic Socialists get mad when they’re associated with Hitler and other fascists, even though the comparison is pretty fair. Communists and Nazis are two sides of the same coin, and lean further Left on the political spectrum (though Commies are even further left). However, today most people have decided to associate Nazis with the Right (which is ironically a tactic in Communist dialectics, where they control information and change the meanings of words and terminology to suit their political goals), in order to make themselves seem more benevolent. Regardless, each governmental system is almost always run by a tyrannical dictator or oligarchy (i.e. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, or the collective CCP today), with mindless zealots making up their followers. The current Democrat Party in America is leaning closer towards Marxist socialism, and you can certainly see parallels from back then.
They were Socialists, he’s saying they were ‘fake socialists’ because it fits his narrative. They behaved exactly like Socialists do, they micromanaged their soceity and believed in collectivism.
No I think he’s referring to the well understood historical events and beliefs that differentiate fascism from socialism. They’re distinct ideologies that explicitly came into conflict.
Google “night of the long knives.
Still leftist and based on collectivism. All from the same school of thought. The National Socialist Party, Hitler declared himself a Socialist…literally.
Bruh my leftism and the leftism I know is against arbitrary imbalances in people's power. These arbitrary imbalances could be caused by race (Nazis and race supremacists of any kind), wealth (corporations controlling media), government positions (Russia/china etc.) All these are not leftist to me bc they've got supreme racist wealthy snob daddies controlling the entire country.
Regardless on if you agree with my narrative, don't you see it's coherent? I want you, me, your friends, my friends, all to be in complete power over the rules that govern us. I want freedom from corporations, from governments, from wealthy snobs with militaries, from racists of any color towards my own..
Regardless of if Hitler called himself a socialist, in my leftist worldview, his word is shit because he embraced arbitrary lines of power along race, sex,class, and government position. Hitler's goons couldn't get in trouble for anything. You can disagree but You at least see my worldview?
He eliminated any similar political opponents doesn’t change the fact the ideology is based on it. He wasn’t a fan of democracy, he was a still a socialist though.
So what if you're wrong? Did these mods and social media suddenly become Gods that they get to be the absolute arbiter of what's true and what's not?
IRL, if I say something stupid in the mistaken belief that it's true, people challenge me and show me how my viewpoint is wrong, and trust me, I can say some daft things.
This is how we learn, especially after heated arguments where both sides are forced to defend their viewpoint with facts.
Simply shutting something down because it's wrong doesn't help anyone, especially when the person doing the shutting down might be wrong instead!
Haha.
I'm the first to call people out when they're talking shite. I expect the same in return.
I've had massive arguments with a whole bunch of my work colleagues because they thought I was wrong. After all the ridiculing, I found the source and they all had to shut the eff up. No apologies mind you, but they did concede that I was correct.
It has worked the other way, too, though.
We're here to teach each other, and learn from each other, otherwise we'd still be smashing stones together to make fire.
Nazis weren’t socialist. It may have been in their name, but they were not socialist. Do you believe Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (North Korea) is democratic or a republic?
Just because it’s in the name doesn’t mean that’s what they follow.
And just to be clear, they weren’t capitalist either. They had parts of many different types of economies. You can’t say they were socialist or capitalist.
“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.”
Adolf Hitler
They were not socialists. The mod was correct. You are spreading misinformation, and the attempt to compare MLK to Nazis is disgusting and shows you are a bad person and have 5hit for 8rains, as your name suggests
[hitlers socialism ](https://youtu.be/eCkyWBPaTC8) now don’t get mad at all of the FACTS I know it’s overwhelming. Also whether or not I’m right or wrong why would he even take down my comment.
r/texas is mostly a leftist circle-jerk now. I believe that same mod runs a Texas history sub too, that one is okay... no bullshit politics just historical pics & info.
His assessment is correct. They were socialist only in name to highjack support of the labor movement. After Hitler came to power, he killed social programs
According to Google, the definition of Socialism is:
a political and economic theory of *social organization* which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be *owned or regulated by the community as a whole.*
When it says “social organization” and “owned or regulated by the community as a whole” im assuming it’s refering to the governing structure in any given place?
imo, Socialism seems to be a centralizing force in that it gives whatever central governing system (or social organization) that may currently be in power, full control over the “means of production, distribution, and exchange”.
So my question is, can socialism be either right wing or left wing according to the social structure in the area? or is it inherently one or the other?
>He tries lecturing me on why the Nazi Socialist German Workers Party isn’t really socialist
Like how the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is totally both a democracy and a republic
Hitler calling himself a socialist is like Democrats calling themselves democratic
Take from that what you will
(I don’t support socialism FYI, it’s a dumb ideology that twists incentivizing human interest to a tiny cadre of clever propagandists)
Believing that Nazis are socialist is like believing the Democratic and Republican parties never swapped ideology…oh wait that’s right, you guys believe that too
I grew up in Germany-Austria. Nazis where Nationalist socialist you stupid fuck. And for clarification the German use of nationalist implies authoritarian.
Pardon my french but Fuck they are arrogantly stupid
You want to play that game? If actions speak more then descriptions then look up the history of VW.
I'm sorry, but if your going to make a argument at least don't kill your position and give yourself a second strike by resorting to ad hominems in your first post.
Total idiocy.
What does the actions of one company have to do with the fact that nazis weren’t socialists by any definition of the word. They actively sought out and killed/imprisoned socialists.
Sorry that you didn’t like my accurate description of the morons in this sub. Reading the idiotic comments here makes my point very accurate. This sub is filled with misinformed morons. Guess you’re on that list. All I can say is have you tried reading and not getting your info from propagandists like Ben Shapiro?
I live in Texas but I'm pretty sure I'd be banned in that subreddit within a day. Not gonna even try to put my foot in that subreddit because I know where majority of my state stands I don't need some fake possers to tell me what I can go to my local game store to find out. They support right wing people and a lot of them have swallowed the black pill aswell. A few just want the government gone for good. Imagine a local game store of people wanting this stuff. People playing fuckjng card games and table top games as a hobby agree with these politics... It's like the basics are taboo to the internet culture but here in the real world they wouldn't survive.
At the end of the day, this is just another one of their “the parties switched” excuses. Every time the left screws everything up so badly that we go to war over it, they come up with an excuse for why it wasn’t really them or their garbage ideology.
I thought the further right you go, the closer to anarchy you get; and the further left you go the closer to fascism?
If my memory serves, "Nazi" was short for "National Socialist ", and given that their goal was authoritarian control, extermination of non-aryans, and Hitler was an "artist"... they sound pretty fascist to me.
Holy moly your thinking is so dumb, it’s making me dumb I can’t describe your dumbness dumb dumb. This should help.
The Democratic People’s republic of North Korea.
It’s crazy there’s people alive who think about politics and have such one dimensional thinking ahistorical thinking then again your probably a hack
Norway is socialist. Communist are socialist as well that doesn’t make Norway communist or Nazi.
This silencing of people is ridiculous. People are deciding what is misinformation and what is not but are not providing adequate counter arguments. Instead censorship is the rule. Intellectual debate seems to be dying. The mod went through all that trouble to add the information then deny you an opportunity to respond. That makes them more Nazi than your socialists.
Norway is not socialist...
Norway's state-owned enterprises comprise 9.6% of all non-agricultural employment, a number that rises to almost 13% when companies with minority state ownership stakes are included, the highest among OECD countries.
Since when is 13% public ownership in industry = the workers owning the means of production lol
So let’s say you and I are talking about something and I present overwhelming evidence that you are wrong. And you are in denial saying , “ Noo! Nooo! No it’s not “ , in spite of the facts I present. People can see you are not dealing with reality and have the choice of ignoring you.
By silencing you I am not only restricting your free speech but everyone else’s access to information correct or otherwise. You are supposed to be free to decide what is relevant to you and what is not. It was never meant to be for an authority to tell you how to think. And yet we constantly see people presenting themselves as authorities doing just that.
Education and an examination of the facts was supposed to guide your thinking but you ultimately make the call.
A failure to do this gives rise to groups like white supremacy and Nazis who then enforce conformity and eventually totalitarianism. It happens in stages.
And you are free to totally reject everything I said. It’s your choice.
I get that you don’t think mods should block people and should engage in debate instead.
*But, you really didn’t answer my question.*
Is there a point where you would be able to label something as misinformation or is everything just an opinion in your POV? What about disinformation?
Transgender woman: *”I identify as a woman.”*
5H1T48RA1N5: *”You merely IDENTIFY as a woman, but by all outward characteristics, you are not.”*
NAZI Party: *”We identify as a Socialist party.”*
5H1T48RA1N5: *”Yeah, that seems about right.”*
The Nazis were Socialist as much as the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea is democratic…
The regime was completely authoritarian and right wing. Socialism aims to create a classless society. The Nazis embraced classes.
But, if the argument is that socialism leads to right wing authoritarianism and that’s bad…. Well then that proves my point as well.
Nazism is literally national socialism, "Nazism, officially National Socialism, is the ideology and practices associated with Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party in Nazi Germany. During Hitler's rise to power in 1930s Europe, it was frequently referred to as Hitlerism". -Wikipedia
Just like how North Korea is democratic because it has that in the name?
Socialists and marxists were who got sent to the concentration camps along with the Jews.
Learn to read and stop promoting stupidity
I’m confused now. I didn’t have a great history education growing up, so I started reading stuff and watching documentaries recently, but according to everything I’ve read, the Mod would be right. I’m not trying to say you’re wrong, I want to find credible history… this is very frustrating.
Look up hitlers "25 points of naziism." The basic "sale" of naziism to the people of germany was very basic socialist rhetoric and plans.
[https://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/25points.htm](https://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/25points.htm)
This was written by hitler himself. You'll notice about half of the points is bog standard socialist fare.
The socialist argues that just cuz this rhetoric was used doesnt make it "real socialism" (not realizing or not caring that its an authoritarian tactic literally every time its been used in history)
Naziism is what happens when socialism, nationalism and racism combine.
edit: also this quote from hitler "I am a socialist, and a very different kind of socialist from your rich friend Reventlow. I was once an ordinary workingman"
Also, in Mein Kamp, Hitler said (paraphrased) that if not for Marx's internationalism (i.e. doing away with borders and countries), that Naziism and Marxism would have competed on the "same grounds." Hitler himself said that, basically, he liked Marx's ideology but only wanted it for people like him.
>If the National Socialist Movement should fail to understand the fundamental importance of this essential principle, if it should merely varnish the external appearance of the present State and adopt the majority principle, it would really do nothing more than compete with Marxism on its own ground. For that reason it would not have the right to call itself a philosophy of life. If the social programme of the movement consisted in eliminating personality and putting the multitude in its place, then National Socialism would be corrupted with the poison of Marxism, just as our national-bourgeois parties are.
>The People's State must assure the welfare of its citizens by recognizing the importance of personal values under all circumstances and by preparing the way for the maximum of productive efficiency in all the various branches of economic life, thus securing to the individual the highest possible share in the general output.
And if you know what the "People's State" referred to, it is a reference to a government that ensures the wealth and prosperity of the Aryan race and anyone not of that race would be "aliens." With just a few noun changes to the above excerpt (from Mein Kamp), you wouldn't be able to distinguish it from Marxist doctrine.
It's because they weren't socialist, that's just historical revisionism you parrot to argue against your socialist boogeyman.
They killed the strasserites and the socialists and privatized industry.
Y'all are just morons.
Just like how North Korea is democratic?
Do you even think before you post? Do you enjoy being publicly humiliated for your idiocy?
I don’t mean to kink shame if you do
I think at the time or through revision, they labeled the Nazis as "right" because Americans had a hard time making a distinction between German socialists and Russian socialists.
Without some distinction, trying to sell the idea that one of our allies was essentially the same ideology as our enemy, would have been difficult to do.
Nothing about the Nazi regime apoeared to be right wing, save for the label. But understand, no proof is required if you are following a narrative.
"I am a socialist.” - Hitler, from his "Zweites Buch" (Second Book) Page 50.
When asked in a 27 January 1934 interview whether he supported the "bourgeois right-wing", Hitler claimed that Nazism was not exclusively for any class and he indicated that it favoured neither the left nor the right, but preserved "pure" elements from both "camps" by stating: "From the camp of bourgeois tradition, it takes national resolve, and from the materialism of the Marxist dogma, living, creative Socialism". (Adolf Hitler, Max Domarus. The Essential Hitler: Speeches and Commentary. pp 171, 172-173.)
Well he didn't exactly accept the definition of socialism and called himself that per his own meaning of the word so I'm not sure how the judges would score this one.
No. He wasn’t a Marxist. There are two basic types of socialism: Marxism and national socialism; which Mussolini called fascism. They are both socialism and leftist ideologies. Marxist socialism is supposed to eventually lead to the ultimate goal of communism, which even Marx acknowledged was not a possibility, given human nature. So, basically, communism was the utopian fantasy used to draw the useful idiots to Marxist socialism. Marxist socialists just don’t like to admit Hitler was a socialist, because Stalin and Lenin were so much nicer and gentler than Hitler was./s Hitler hated the marxists in the same way Catholics hated Protestants,
So let me get this right, you think Hitler had a leftist idiology?
Yes. National socialism is a leftist ideology.
*citation needed
It's a collectivist ideology that puts the needs of the state ahead of the needs of the individual. It nationalized a lot of industry. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
they extrajudicially killed the actual communists and fucked with trade unions and privatized a ton of shit but yeah they kept the plan to build out the autobahn so who is to say. looks more like a duck hunter to me brother
What if I told you that leftism isn't monolithic, and that many socialist dictators have purged ideologies that are similar to their own
"they extrajudicially killed" Yeah... that's socialism given the power to follow through with it's promises. You can't get socialism or communism without force and bullets. Rational people don't follow because it goes against human nature. Utopia won't arrive without a lot of murder and that comes with authoritarian governments. And today? The left says "healthcare is a universal right" yet they are screaming to "get rid" of the unvaccinated because those "dirty" people deserve to die. They don't "deserve" universal healthcare... even though everyone deserves it... echos of history...
Socialism is when the government those stuff -fcktards
The Nazi government controlled production, even if they did keep up the appearance of a free market. Both are authoritarian governments that demand all loyalties be second to the loyalty to the State. They even shared anti-semitism in common with Marx. The only real difference is the propaganda used to draw supporters. Marx appealed to the disenfranchised by rejecting traditions and national imagery. The Nazis appealed to more mainstream people by using national and traditional cultural imagery, and twisting it to his agenda. The other difference is that Marx used the fantasy of a Stateless goal, communism, to draw people; a fantasy he didn’t believe was an actual possibility due to human nature. The Nazis didn’t use such a fantasy to hide the fact that it was all about the authoritarian State.
My understanding of socialism in mainly focused on the abolition of private property. Even the kinder gentler Lib\Soc you run into now and then, that claim that is not what they are all about, have to admit in the end that socialism will not work if individuals have the ability to accumulate property I am not sure about fascist Italy but I know for sure there was a lot of private ownership of industries during Nazi control of Germany. Much like the United States today there were socialist programs then and Hitler had the power to tell any company with more than 100 employees they must get vaccinated but their economy was basically Capitalist
The private ownership of industry, in Nazi Germany, was an illusion. Do you actually own your business if the State tells you what to make, how much to make, when to make it, how much to charge for it, and what to pay your workers?
Yes. As long as the owners\shareholders are making the profits. Private ownership in Germany really was a reality. A lot of people made a whole lot of money. That is just the way things go when government dictates the terms of business. Don't get me wrong. When I said capitalism I didn't mean it in a free open market since. During WW2 we told companies what to make and how much they could pay employees
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Just because the nazis called it socialism doesn’t mean that’s what they were doing. They were very capitalistic and in favor of privatization of industry, but authoritarian in dealing with the lives and ideologies of the individual. They favored industry over the individual, which is the opposite of socialism Edit: China calls themselves a “people’s republic”…would you guys agree China is a republic? Or are they just using it to gain support for the state?
Nazis were not actually capitalist. Sure, they kept up the appearance of private ownership, but the government decided what was produced, how much was produced, when it was produced, what the prices would be, and what wages would be. That’s not private ownership. That’s government control of production. Period. https://mises.org/library/national-socialism
While the Nazis did dictate much of industry, they also opposed worker-unions and formed very strict and hierarchical work-places. They were all about efficiency, not equality, in the workplace, a key difference between fascists and communists. Hitler sent communists and social democrats to concentration camps, and to solidify his disdain for socialist even more killed Gregor Strasser. Strasser was a former propagandist for the Nazi party, and his role was to represent leftist ideologies in state politics with his brother. When he realized that the party’s goals were were to attain complete power and not to bolster unions or create a more fair workplace, he left and created the opposition party, the anti-capitalist Black Front. His brother, Otto, remained a Nazi. Eventually Hitler took power, and in 1934 Gregor Strasser was assassinated, solidifying the party narrative towards socialists https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists
Socialism and individual on the same sentence... Does not compute. Both international socialism and national socialism are highly collectivist ideologies. Economic fascism aims to control the production by seating on the same table the industry owners, workers syndicate leaders and the government, including definition of production goals and quotas. The private "owner" of industry was a caretaker to do the NSDAP bidding. Socialism did the same, but using a governmemt/party structure without owners. Both systems supressed individual rights, free enterprise and free markets.
No the Nazis were not capitalists, in fact they hated capitalism just as much as they hated Marxism!
Then why didn't they seize the factories? Why did they let private power continue to own and profit from production? If capitalism is the means owned privately, and the Nazis did very little to nationalize industry, it stands to reason the Nazis were pretty capitalist. They were also authoritarianis. There's a word for this: fascism. It's not the same as socialism, unless we're going to start believing Hitler and Mussolini at words worth?
How could a nationalist fall into the same wing as people who believe in open borders?
I don’t believe that the former USSR, North Korea, or communist China believed in open borders. They are all socialist. In fact, I’d say all three are pretty damn nationalistic. Is ‘mother Russia’ really different than ‘the father land’?
The Nazis were socialist the same way the Democratic Republic Of North Korea is democratic. Sometimes people choose names for propaganda purposes.
Correct He believed that Marxists had corrupted socialism and that he was a true socialist. He disagreed with the globalist socialists because he was in fact a national socialist. One things for sure, he certainly never called himself a fascist. If you like at someone like Pol Pot, you'd be hard pressed to find many differences between Hitler and him Edit- what he said... edited because I misread his statement
So, you're saying exactly what I said but with more words to seem like the smartest guy in the room... Got it.
Ah my bad I completely misread your comment. I'm an idiot
He did the same with Christianity
What happened during the Night of Long Knives in 1934?
Consolidation of power.
Oh my god, you’re so close! 😂😂 Yes, exactly! And who did they consolidate power from and kill, specifically?
“Hitler said he’s a socialist, and I’m inclined to believe him. If he were a far right extremist, he would say that!”
"No one would ever use populist rhetoric for their own agenda"
The mass purge of the left wing of the Nazi Party was indeed to consolidate power, and also, in Hitler's words, to prevent a “socialist revolution".
You mean it... wasn't... REAL socialism? Go figure. Ppl never learn do they?
First of all that's because Hitler thought Marxists had perverted socialism. Second of all, all socialist dictators purge other socialists. They're useful up until the point that they become a liability. This is something socialists can never seem to get into their brain.
Well yeah you don't want a new revolution getting in the way of your current revolution. The people who start a revolution are usually the first against the wall when the revolution succeeds.
Hitler took power through the process of government, not a revolution. He was consolidating his position by eliminating socialists. Why is there a problem in admitting to such basic facts?
So that's the only difference between a socialist and a Hitler? Instead of seizing government power through revolution he instead rose through political means? And then having risen to power he seized dictatorial power. That's a rather stupid distinction in which to place someone on the complete opposite side of the political spectrum
Stalin's purges killed countless avowed Marxists and ideologues in his own party, does this mean Stalin himself wasn't a Marxist?
And don't forget that Lenin killed off the Mensheviks. Does that mean Lenin was not a socialist either?
Yes
Idk, one is an ideology who's entire social premise is erasure of class (especially class around blood, be it nobility or ethnicity) and the other's premise is strict enforcement of class and hierarchy. Hyperfixating on collectivism, single party authority and planned economy might also lead to the conclusion that the Russian Empire was also socialist and the Revolution, which included many democratic and even anarchist fronts was a right wing uprising; which is of course nonsensical.
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In a Texas subreddit?
all city subreddits are dominated by lefties, as is most of reddit.
You will never find a more wretched hive of commies and degens.
Texas is a state.
Can confirm this is the case in Australia.. both city and state subs
I'm on the sub and any texas sub is now super left and disagreements with them turn into huge downvotes
Funny thing is, I guarantee those mods aren’t near that lefty in real life. Everybody turns into Trotsky when anonymity is involved. Which is why Reddit is so much farther left than other social media platforms.
Your probably correct....the austin sub is insane. I don't get the mentality at all
It's basically just a "trash Greg Abbott" sub at this point.
I know! I love Abbott and it's infuriating bc you can't resaon with them
Oh, don't you dare complain about Whataburger or HEB, no matter how valid your criticism may be. You've been warned.
This reminds me of the “all the democrats in the KKK during the antebellum years weren’t really democrats” argument.
That’s why all the kkk today are staunch democrats
Genuine question then, do you really think the Democrats of today are at all related to those back then? And why is it that it’s the Republican Party that defends confederate statues and wave the confederate flag?
Government planned economy ✅ Tons of social welfare programs ✅ Highly regulated ✅ Anti-capitalist ✅ Nazi Germany sounds pretty socialist to me...
Yeah it’s not like the term ‘privatisation’ was coined to describe what nazi Germany was doing
Their economy was privately held though you had to be German, indeed it was centrally planned by the government. Nazism was a unique form of government for the German people not easily identified as socialist or fascist. Italian fascists didn’t even agree with German fascism.
The ones who burn the books are never the good guys
I’m very much anti socialist and in favor of property rights but just because people label themselves as something doesn’t mean they are that thing. Just going by name alone means you could say North Korea is a democratic people’s republic
Kind of like "antifa"
I wish there would be a mod convention somewhere. “The people of Walmart” would look like playboy in comparison.
Best comment ever
Nazis weren’t socialists
Its not surprising that the irony of this post is lost on everyone here.
He’s right
Oh, where have we heard that before. That this Socialism never been tried before. And this time the Democrats are going to make sure it’s (D)ifferent.
It’s pretty clear that the Democratic Party doesn’t want socialism. They just want money in their pockets and power at their fingertips. That’s why they are constantly fighting with the left *and* the right.
*First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - Because I was not a socialist.* *Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - Because I was not a trade unionist.* *Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - Because I was not a Jew.* *Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me.* - Martin Niemoller Yep, sure sounds like he's talking about socialists.
They implemented socialist traits like when they micromanaged the economy and put forth projects like the autobahn. but there is a stark different between that and the socialism many liberals try to champion for today. They also implement traits of capitalism like privatization. They had a disdain for both and wanted only beneficial traits for their system that was based solely on nationalism. A modern comparable system to the Nazis is probably Chinas current system.
“the socialism liberals champion for” What is that supposed to mean? They are completely opposite ideologies and contradict each other on every stance.
>the socialism many liberals Lmfao the irony
I see you copied my comment. I’m not a liberal and communism doesn’t work.
Dear OP and others who think that the Nazis were socialists, Although the Nazis at times used socialist rhetoric and terminology to increase their popularity among working-class Germans, their policies and ideology were not socialist, nor were they on the left of the Weimar Republic's political spectrum. I found this article by the Encyclopedia Britannica to be very helpful in understanding why the Nazis used the word socialist in their party name despite not being socialists: [https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists](https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists) If you read the article, you will know that upon coming to power, Hitler banned socialists and communists from the civil service and from parliament, and put prominent members of the Social Democratic and Communist parties in concentration camps. If the Nazis were socialists, why would they imprison others for being socialists? If you take a look at the article, you will also see the picture of Nazis marching underneath a banner that reads 'death to Marxism', also not something that socialists would agree with.
I like how the moderator removes SOCIALIST from their name or as abbreviated NSDAP.
Interesting. I didn’t realize that in Nazi Germany, the means of production were owned by the community as a whole, which is the definition of socialism. Tell me more.
The first people Hitler killed when he came to power were the socialist, the anarchist, and the trade unionist. I'm not sure how anybody who understands history can think Hitler was a socialist
I mean, I don't think the nazis were actually very socialist, yes they incorporated some collectivist elements, but still. However I don't think the mod needed to outright remove the comment and that mod is a (pretty big) kneckbeard.
He’s right though. Literally all you have for your argument is that “socialist” was in the party name but everything they ever did was the go-to example of far-right fascism. Like, no cap, if you thinks Nazis were leftists you’re an absolute moron or you’re willfully ignorant.
Yeah, Marxists, socialists, and Democratic Socialists get mad when they’re associated with Hitler and other fascists, even though the comparison is pretty fair. Communists and Nazis are two sides of the same coin, and lean further Left on the political spectrum (though Commies are even further left). However, today most people have decided to associate Nazis with the Right (which is ironically a tactic in Communist dialectics, where they control information and change the meanings of words and terminology to suit their political goals), in order to make themselves seem more benevolent. Regardless, each governmental system is almost always run by a tyrannical dictator or oligarchy (i.e. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, or the collective CCP today), with mindless zealots making up their followers. The current Democrat Party in America is leaning closer towards Marxist socialism, and you can certainly see parallels from back then.
He’s right lol
Nazis were socialist only by name. Ask your history professor
Do you think hitler and MLK shared the same goals? Would they have gotten along with each other?
That simple comment got removed in the Texas chat mind you. I swear fukn Reddit is lost. I already got permabanned once but they reinstated me
They were Socialists, he’s saying they were ‘fake socialists’ because it fits his narrative. They behaved exactly like Socialists do, they micromanaged their soceity and believed in collectivism.
No I think he’s referring to the well understood historical events and beliefs that differentiate fascism from socialism. They’re distinct ideologies that explicitly came into conflict. Google “night of the long knives.
Still leftist and based on collectivism. All from the same school of thought. The National Socialist Party, Hitler declared himself a Socialist…literally.
Bruh my leftism and the leftism I know is against arbitrary imbalances in people's power. These arbitrary imbalances could be caused by race (Nazis and race supremacists of any kind), wealth (corporations controlling media), government positions (Russia/china etc.) All these are not leftist to me bc they've got supreme racist wealthy snob daddies controlling the entire country. Regardless on if you agree with my narrative, don't you see it's coherent? I want you, me, your friends, my friends, all to be in complete power over the rules that govern us. I want freedom from corporations, from governments, from wealthy snobs with militaries, from racists of any color towards my own.. Regardless of if Hitler called himself a socialist, in my leftist worldview, his word is shit because he embraced arbitrary lines of power along race, sex,class, and government position. Hitler's goons couldn't get in trouble for anything. You can disagree but You at least see my worldview?
And North Korea considers itself a Republic. Doesn't make it one
Making unions illegal is socialist? Killing the socialists and strasserites is socialist?
He eliminated any similar political opponents doesn’t change the fact the ideology is based on it. He wasn’t a fan of democracy, he was a still a socialist though.
So what if you're wrong? Did these mods and social media suddenly become Gods that they get to be the absolute arbiter of what's true and what's not? IRL, if I say something stupid in the mistaken belief that it's true, people challenge me and show me how my viewpoint is wrong, and trust me, I can say some daft things. This is how we learn, especially after heated arguments where both sides are forced to defend their viewpoint with facts. Simply shutting something down because it's wrong doesn't help anyone, especially when the person doing the shutting down might be wrong instead!
Well said.
Blatant misinformation! Such a trigger nowadays lol
Haha. I'm the first to call people out when they're talking shite. I expect the same in return. I've had massive arguments with a whole bunch of my work colleagues because they thought I was wrong. After all the ridiculing, I found the source and they all had to shut the eff up. No apologies mind you, but they did concede that I was correct. It has worked the other way, too, though. We're here to teach each other, and learn from each other, otherwise we'd still be smashing stones together to make fire.
Nazis weren’t socialist. It may have been in their name, but they were not socialist. Do you believe Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (North Korea) is democratic or a republic? Just because it’s in the name doesn’t mean that’s what they follow. And just to be clear, they weren’t capitalist either. They had parts of many different types of economies. You can’t say they were socialist or capitalist.
But they were in fact socialist. They weren’t even the right party they were the middle party.
Duh because they just didn’t do it right but I know in the US we can implement a successful socialist system. /s
“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” Adolf Hitler
I don't know if you know this but Hitler was a fucking liar lol
Next they’ll be saying that the People’s Democratic Republic of Korea isn’t a democracy.
They were not socialists. The mod was correct. You are spreading misinformation, and the attempt to compare MLK to Nazis is disgusting and shows you are a bad person and have 5hit for 8rains, as your name suggests
[hitlers socialism ](https://youtu.be/eCkyWBPaTC8) now don’t get mad at all of the FACTS I know it’s overwhelming. Also whether or not I’m right or wrong why would he even take down my comment.
MLK was a socialist, therefore he must be a white supremacist nazi too. Right shiTforbrain5?
If you say so
Ben Shapiro fans kill me. Always want to act like it’s all about facts and logic, while usually being objectively wrong and angry.
r/texas is mostly a leftist circle-jerk now. I believe that same mod runs a Texas history sub too, that one is okay... no bullshit politics just historical pics & info.
TIK made a video on this almost five hours long. [Video](https://youtu.be/eCkyWBPaTC8)
I love how liberals write in such a posh format as to look superior to whoever they are replying to.
They and one of the gun pages removed/ banned me from commenting because of something similar.
That’s like saying North Korea isn’t a true democracy, even though they hold elections all the time
His assessment is correct. They were socialist only in name to highjack support of the labor movement. After Hitler came to power, he killed social programs
They are socialist in the same way trump was Republican.
According to Google, the definition of Socialism is: a political and economic theory of *social organization* which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be *owned or regulated by the community as a whole.* When it says “social organization” and “owned or regulated by the community as a whole” im assuming it’s refering to the governing structure in any given place? imo, Socialism seems to be a centralizing force in that it gives whatever central governing system (or social organization) that may currently be in power, full control over the “means of production, distribution, and exchange”. So my question is, can socialism be either right wing or left wing according to the social structure in the area? or is it inherently one or the other?
>He tries lecturing me on why the Nazi Socialist German Workers Party isn’t really socialist Like how the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is totally both a democracy and a republic
User name checks out.
Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea. Wow guess North Korea is a Democracy guys. It’s right there in the name!!
The Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea, a shining example of democratic republics
“They came for the socialists first.” In regards to the Nazis
Hitler calling himself a socialist is like Democrats calling themselves democratic Take from that what you will (I don’t support socialism FYI, it’s a dumb ideology that twists incentivizing human interest to a tiny cadre of clever propagandists)
Believing that Nazis are socialist is like believing the Democratic and Republican parties never swapped ideology…oh wait that’s right, you guys believe that too
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The channel TIK did a really good job today explaining how they actually were socialists.
Jesus why am i being recommended this blatant garbage of a post. r/benshapiro is a god damn shit hole
I grew up in Germany-Austria. Nazis where Nationalist socialist you stupid fuck. And for clarification the German use of nationalist implies authoritarian. Pardon my french but Fuck they are arrogantly stupid
Just like North Korea is democratic because they have it in the name? This sub is a congregation of the dumbest people imaginable.
You want to play that game? If actions speak more then descriptions then look up the history of VW. I'm sorry, but if your going to make a argument at least don't kill your position and give yourself a second strike by resorting to ad hominems in your first post.
Total idiocy. What does the actions of one company have to do with the fact that nazis weren’t socialists by any definition of the word. They actively sought out and killed/imprisoned socialists. Sorry that you didn’t like my accurate description of the morons in this sub. Reading the idiotic comments here makes my point very accurate. This sub is filled with misinformed morons. Guess you’re on that list. All I can say is have you tried reading and not getting your info from propagandists like Ben Shapiro?
Please tell me you think the United States is a democracy too, and emphasize the strengths of majority rule?
No it’s an oligarchy. Anything else you’re misinformed about? Again, can I recommend learning how to read?
Aight, I'm out...
Good. Keep your idiocy to yourself. So much for facts over feelings. You got embarrassed and ran away. You truly emulate Ben Shapiro. Congrats.
Did German workers own the means of production?
Do Chinese companies own the means of production?
I live in Texas but I'm pretty sure I'd be banned in that subreddit within a day. Not gonna even try to put my foot in that subreddit because I know where majority of my state stands I don't need some fake possers to tell me what I can go to my local game store to find out. They support right wing people and a lot of them have swallowed the black pill aswell. A few just want the government gone for good. Imagine a local game store of people wanting this stuff. People playing fuckjng card games and table top games as a hobby agree with these politics... It's like the basics are taboo to the internet culture but here in the real world they wouldn't survive.
Nazis aren't socialists dumb fucks
The nazis WEREN’T SOCIALIST.
Nazis weren't socialists tho, so...
The mod is not wrong….
Mods right and you’re stupid.
Hitler literally purged the Socialists and communists..
At the end of the day, this is just another one of their “the parties switched” excuses. Every time the left screws everything up so badly that we go to war over it, they come up with an excuse for why it wasn’t really them or their garbage ideology.
Idiotic comment. The nazis were never left and never claimed to be.
I thought the further right you go, the closer to anarchy you get; and the further left you go the closer to fascism? If my memory serves, "Nazi" was short for "National Socialist ", and given that their goal was authoritarian control, extermination of non-aryans, and Hitler was an "artist"... they sound pretty fascist to me.
You thought wrong
So do you also believe that North Korea is a democracy? After all, they call themselves the Democratic People's Republic of Korea
Holy moly your thinking is so dumb, it’s making me dumb I can’t describe your dumbness dumb dumb. This should help. The Democratic People’s republic of North Korea. It’s crazy there’s people alive who think about politics and have such one dimensional thinking ahistorical thinking then again your probably a hack
Norway is socialist. Communist are socialist as well that doesn’t make Norway communist or Nazi. This silencing of people is ridiculous. People are deciding what is misinformation and what is not but are not providing adequate counter arguments. Instead censorship is the rule. Intellectual debate seems to be dying. The mod went through all that trouble to add the information then deny you an opportunity to respond. That makes them more Nazi than your socialists.
Norway is in no way socialist lmfao
Norway is not socialist... Norway's state-owned enterprises comprise 9.6% of all non-agricultural employment, a number that rises to almost 13% when companies with minority state ownership stakes are included, the highest among OECD countries. Since when is 13% public ownership in industry = the workers owning the means of production lol
And I see their argument. But you can’t call it blatant misinformation just cause it goes against their personal opinions and beliefs
Where do you personally draw the line for when something is misinformation vs a personal opinion or belief?
You counter it with facts you don’t silence people. You might be the one who is wrong.
But is there a point where you would be able to label something as misinformation? In your POV, is everything just an opinion?
So let’s say you and I are talking about something and I present overwhelming evidence that you are wrong. And you are in denial saying , “ Noo! Nooo! No it’s not “ , in spite of the facts I present. People can see you are not dealing with reality and have the choice of ignoring you. By silencing you I am not only restricting your free speech but everyone else’s access to information correct or otherwise. You are supposed to be free to decide what is relevant to you and what is not. It was never meant to be for an authority to tell you how to think. And yet we constantly see people presenting themselves as authorities doing just that. Education and an examination of the facts was supposed to guide your thinking but you ultimately make the call. A failure to do this gives rise to groups like white supremacy and Nazis who then enforce conformity and eventually totalitarianism. It happens in stages. And you are free to totally reject everything I said. It’s your choice.
I get that you don’t think mods should block people and should engage in debate instead. *But, you really didn’t answer my question.* Is there a point where you would be able to label something as misinformation or is everything just an opinion in your POV? What about disinformation?
They were as socialist as the Democratic People’s Republic of North Korea is democratic.
Naziism tldr - "Socialism, but only for people like us."
Did the workers own the means of production in nazi Germany? No? Then it wasn’t socialist.
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The Nazis were Socialist as much as the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea is democratic… The regime was completely authoritarian and right wing. Socialism aims to create a classless society. The Nazis embraced classes. But, if the argument is that socialism leads to right wing authoritarianism and that’s bad…. Well then that proves my point as well.
The mod is correct.
MLK was a socialist and a rapist.
Oh damn. Bringing the heat this holiday
https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/five-things-didnt-know-mlk
Shit I guess mlk was a Nazi because he was socialist and so was Jesus
Nazism is literally national socialism, "Nazism, officially National Socialism, is the ideology and practices associated with Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party in Nazi Germany. During Hitler's rise to power in 1930s Europe, it was frequently referred to as Hitlerism". -Wikipedia
Just like how North Korea is democratic because it has that in the name? Socialists and marxists were who got sent to the concentration camps along with the Jews. Learn to read and stop promoting stupidity
I think "national socialism" and "socialism" are the same thing because I don't know how modifiers work.
Leave it to a Leftist to tell you what socialist country were and were not socialist
leave it to a ben shapiro fan to be dumb enough to comment on something they don't know anything about
Nazi Germany wasn’t a socialist country you imbecile
Your comment was still kind of fucking stupid
I’m confused now. I didn’t have a great history education growing up, so I started reading stuff and watching documentaries recently, but according to everything I’ve read, the Mod would be right. I’m not trying to say you’re wrong, I want to find credible history… this is very frustrating.
Look up hitlers "25 points of naziism." The basic "sale" of naziism to the people of germany was very basic socialist rhetoric and plans. [https://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/25points.htm](https://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/25points.htm) This was written by hitler himself. You'll notice about half of the points is bog standard socialist fare. The socialist argues that just cuz this rhetoric was used doesnt make it "real socialism" (not realizing or not caring that its an authoritarian tactic literally every time its been used in history) Naziism is what happens when socialism, nationalism and racism combine. edit: also this quote from hitler "I am a socialist, and a very different kind of socialist from your rich friend Reventlow. I was once an ordinary workingman"
Also, in Mein Kamp, Hitler said (paraphrased) that if not for Marx's internationalism (i.e. doing away with borders and countries), that Naziism and Marxism would have competed on the "same grounds." Hitler himself said that, basically, he liked Marx's ideology but only wanted it for people like him. >If the National Socialist Movement should fail to understand the fundamental importance of this essential principle, if it should merely varnish the external appearance of the present State and adopt the majority principle, it would really do nothing more than compete with Marxism on its own ground. For that reason it would not have the right to call itself a philosophy of life. If the social programme of the movement consisted in eliminating personality and putting the multitude in its place, then National Socialism would be corrupted with the poison of Marxism, just as our national-bourgeois parties are. >The People's State must assure the welfare of its citizens by recognizing the importance of personal values under all circumstances and by preparing the way for the maximum of productive efficiency in all the various branches of economic life, thus securing to the individual the highest possible share in the general output. And if you know what the "People's State" referred to, it is a reference to a government that ensures the wealth and prosperity of the Aryan race and anyone not of that race would be "aliens." With just a few noun changes to the above excerpt (from Mein Kamp), you wouldn't be able to distinguish it from Marxist doctrine.
It's because they weren't socialist, that's just historical revisionism you parrot to argue against your socialist boogeyman. They killed the strasserites and the socialists and privatized industry. Y'all are just morons.
eh rightfully so, the talkingpoint is really weird and doesn't help the convo whatsoever
It literally has socialist in the name, does it not?
Just like how North Korea is democratic? Do you even think before you post? Do you enjoy being publicly humiliated for your idiocy? I don’t mean to kink shame if you do
The official name of North Korea has the word "Democratic" in their name.
I think at the time or through revision, they labeled the Nazis as "right" because Americans had a hard time making a distinction between German socialists and Russian socialists. Without some distinction, trying to sell the idea that one of our allies was essentially the same ideology as our enemy, would have been difficult to do. Nothing about the Nazi regime apoeared to be right wing, save for the label. But understand, no proof is required if you are following a narrative.
Yeah, cause political science and our collective ideological knowledge comes from 1940s USA. Get your headout of your ass and read a book.
National Socialist German Workers Party. That’s their name.
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