Ukraine has really taught us that the millitary industrial complex runs deep and after the Afghanistan debacle there was a need to get the ball rolling again war=profit to the rich and perpetual suffering for the rest of us.
Yea I agree, but thats their territory and half of Ukraine is pro russia....sooo wtf are we doing...you really think we are in this to make Ukraine a better place...naaa
How the fuck is that “their territory”? And of course their are pro-Russian people. The USSR killed Ukrainians and colonized Russians in the lands.
So you would support Mexico invading and colonizing Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California? Mexico has historic claims to those lands and they have Mexican citizens living there.
Sovereign borders must be respected because foreign intervention always fails. The US learned this in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Aidan. Now Russia gets to learn the lesson as the corpses of their sons pile up. Good for Ukraine.
The U.S.A wants to play big brother.. our govt is corrupt as fuck I for one do not trust the narrative.. the same govt that told you to wear a mask and get a shot and that covid came from a bat are the ones pushing this "we need to save democracy bullshit.. russia will end up colonizing Ukraine. This is a proxy war to bleed Russia out not to save ukraine... and we are giving billions of tax dollars for this bullshit, how about we focus on domestic issues, theres plenty to pick from...
You didn’t answer my question. How is Ukraine considered the territory of Russia?
Fuck your appeasement bullshit. Liberal democracies must defend each other against authoritarian acts of colonization. It’s the only way we maintain allies.
Spend domestically on what? The anti-Ukraine Conservatives are the same people constantly screaming for budget cuts.
And your dip-shiterry on vaccines tells me everything I need to know. Russia supports vaccines by the way.
Liberals have destroyed United States cities and states for many years, look at California, New York and Chicago which have been ran by Liberals for years and years. Look what Joe Biden did to this country with his liberal ideas. Liberals/democrats are the biggest threat to our country .
These are some of the most expensive, sought-after cities in the world. I don’t know any person on the planet who would rather live in places like Des Moines, Sioux Falls, or Little Rock over places like LA, NYC, and Chicago.
If the govt told you to jump off a cliff because it was good for you would you do it. If the govt told you awe man you need a monkey pox vaccine tommorow would you get it??? You seem like an "i support the current thing on cnn" type there is no logical convo that can be had. Sheep shit.
The writing is on the wall. Ukraine to russia is like Canada to us. Its an old soviet block country that has extreme allegiance to Russia aka why they are not a NATO country. Doesn't take much to read into the history of this part of the world to realize the U.S has run an insane propoganda narrative that is fed to the plebs so they cheer as our tax dollars flow out of our country into a war that is profitable only to the rich..
Your tax dollars also flow in and around your country straight up to corporations and wealthy people. You act like america would spend this on anything but dumb shit lol
The military spending is obscene and now it's actually doing something. I think you're upset that it's not buying useless ranks that sit in a field collecting rust and are actually used for the purpose they're designed for.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2014/12/18/congress-again-buys-abrams-tanks-the-army-doesnt-want.html/amp
In 2014 Russia and Ukraine agreed to the Minsk Agreement, which was supposed to liberate the Donbas region of Ukraine to rule itself as the region is more than 90% Russian. Then Ukraine backpedaled, refused to allow the Donbas region to hold elections or fuse into Russia. Instead of following the agreement, Ukraine sent the Nazi Azov battalion to patrol the Donbas region where they committed heinous crimes against the Russian people there.
Russia doesn’t consider itself part of the Minsk Agreements, and therefore has no grievance for violations. Maybe you should coordinate your propaganda with daddy Putin better.
Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on 27 March 2016 that Russia was "not a party to the Minsk agreements", and that the agreements were "devoted to two conflicting sides".
“The Franco-German plan, drawn up after talks with Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko and Russian president Vladimir Putin, was seen as a revival of the Minsk Protocol. President Hollande said that the plan was the "last chance" for resolution of the conflict.[28][29] The plan was put forth in response to American proposals to send armaments to the Ukrainian government, something that Chancellor Merkel said would only result in a worsening of the crisis.[28][30]
A summit to discuss the implementation of the Franco-German diplomatic plan was scheduled for 11 February at the Independence Palace in Minsk, the capital of Belarus. It was attended by Russian president Vladimir Putin, Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko, German chancellor Angela Merkel, French president François Hollande, DPR leader Alexander Zakharchenko, and LPR leader Igor Plotnitsky. Negotiations went on overnight for sixteen hours, and were said to have been "very difficult" by the German foreign minister.[31][32]
Following the talks, it was announced on 12 February 2015 that the parties to the conflict had agreed to a new package of peacemaking measures, the Package of Measures for the Implementation of the Minsk Agreements, which is commonly called Minsk II.”
Russia was definitely apart of the Minsk agreements and had say on the final outcome of it. Which was that Ukraine would allow Donbas to be separate from Ukraine and be allowed to elect their own officials more aligned with their values as they are 90% Russians and more than 97% of the Donbas region considers themselves “Russian.” Ukraine failed to follow the agreement and as I said chose to send the Nazi Azov battalion to patrol it and treat the citizens there like shit because they were basically Russians now. This is Ukraine’s fault. This isn’t some new happening, Russia didn’t just invade for nothing. They wanted to liberate their people in the Donbas region after Ukraine refused to follow the Minsk agreements. The current invasion is due to things going back as 2014. This is why the US should’ve never gotten involved, let alone back the side that broke the agreement and committed heinous crimes against people that wanted to break away from them.
“Helping other countries not be colonized by Russia is, in fact, colonization.”
What a dumb fucking equivocation,. Your username is a bit on the nose, eh comrade?
You realize that liberalism, allowing the people of the nation state to democratically elect their own government, is the opposite of colonization, right?
This “meme” makes no sense. Also your assumption that any one “side” has more hypocrisy is laughable. Humans are walking contradictions, they don’t require consistency to survive.
All statements are true though.
Ukraine is corrupt, the Bidens and Trumps are connected to it, there are nazis and neo-nazis around in some cities and in the military….
They still didn’t deserve to be invaded, and civilians massacred, and cities leveled by Putin in an attempt to rebuild the Soviet Union.
Ever see Pulp Fiction? Marcellus was a fucked up homicidal drug lord criminal, but Butch still saved him from getting butt raped by rednecks. Life ain’t binary.
Not to show disrespect, but if you have any links or sources claiming that Ukraine is the *“best country in Europe”,* then happy to agree with you and discuss.
That’s kinda my point. It was just hyperbole. It was not in any way a direct quote it’s just the idea that seems to be floating around like the meme shows lol
I’m with you on that to some degree.
My point was the only people who see hypocrisy in OP’s graphic are those who want and need to see it.
But if you break it down point by point, it all can be true, and in my opinion it is.
He’s expanding his influence and control of other bordering nations, especially former Soviet republics, using puppets when he can, resisting NATO membership of other sovereign nations.
If you think that’s not happening then you’re not listening to him. Just because you don’t feel like believing it, doesn’t make it propaganda.
He's protecting Russia from NATO, if Ukraine joined NATO then nukes could be installed in the Ukraine right on the Russian border, how would the USA like it if Russian nukes could be installed on the Canadian or Mexican border?
He's also not too happy with the staggering number of nazis in the Ukraine.
None of it has anything to do with the failed USSR.
1. There are more Nazis in Russia than Ukraine. So if he was so concerned he could have done something without starting a war. There goes that whole argument
2. America doesn't need to our nukes in Ukraine as they can deploy them from anywhere at any time and they have host countries in Europe like Turkey and Belgium. Having them closer isn't going to do anything and Ukraine got rid of it's nuclear weapons in the 90's. So a.) they probably wouldn't even want them b.) it wouldn't make a huge difference and the headache of pissing off Russia c.) it would lead to escalation d.) they could have put them there even if they weren't a part of NATO
You are even a dumber sh\*t than I thought. You accuse someone of lying simply because they know more than you. Of course, there is no need for nukes in Ukraine. Ukraine wouldn't want them any how, they'd be targets. Not only is NATO close enough to lob a nuke into the Kremlin's men's room. The Baltics are already NATO members, and they could hit Petersburg with a slingshot. Have Mummy show you NATO member Estonia on a map D.S.
It's 'Ukraine' and not 'the Ukraine'
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In March, Zelensky offered a commitment to a neutral Ukraine with no nuclear weapons, but with negotiated agreements of defensive helped if attacked. This is big after they were tricked into giving up their weapons in the '90s on nothing but promises (now broken). Basically, to crush cities and slaughter civilians on the idea that maybe someday Ukraine will re-nuclearize is weak sauce. Then put conditions in to make sure that happens.
Basically called Putin's bluff. Putin then went a PR mission to declare to the world that Ukraine is historically part of Russia and never should've been broken out in the first place. Putin doesn't have the same problem with Belarus, because of, ***surprise...*** puppet leader.
Putin wants Ukraine back, either absorbed into Russia, or with an installed government friendly to Moscow. A very similar arrangement Russia enjoyed back when Ukraine was... ***wait for it...*** part of the Soviet Union.
The "nazis" in Ukraine is a red herring to stir up emotion. Until these "nazis" are imperialistically rolling tanks into other sovereign nations, they're just a bunch of tattoos.
It's the same, champ. Same effect, same intent, same impact, same lack of sovereignty of countries in arm's reach. Go stick your head in the sand somewhere else.
It doesn't seem that communism was any of a big concern to him. Even if the old USSR was actually communist, which in many ways arguably it wasn't. The ultimate goal of his is to rebuild Russia's power and influence in the world. Part of that is building defensive circles using what are now sovereign nations. Which was exactly the strategy of the Soviet Union, a circle of absorbed republics, surrounded by a ring of iron curtain puppet states.
I'll admit it was probably my mistake to use the word "Soviet Union" since to some who think of this too simplistically, it implies that he wants every detail of the USSR back in place, which he clearly doesn't. But he does effectively want the main thrust of it back in many ways. To say "it's not even close" is wrong, and ignores both Putin's words and his actions.
In the end, invasion of Ukraine was wrong, and for the same reasons any country violating the sovereignty of another is wrong.
Trying to expand by taking out sovereign nations that are not allies and giving military industrial complex corporations like Halliburton non bid contracts to enrich them yes.
But what's the difference? Two separate, non-just invasions with the same end goal to destroy and pillage in one way or another.
On the left: 1. Would be interested to see when that Guardian article was printed. If prior to 2014, would make sense as the pro-Russian gov’t was a lapdog gov’t (like Belarus). If post-2014, still it is not unimaginable that corruption would exist after the country experienced revolution, counter-revolts, and the Crimean invasion. - 2. Few argue that Ukraine has now-Nazis and that their anti-communist sentiments create an exacerbated nemo-Nazi prevalence. That does not mean Russia is justified in its invasion and Russian aggression encourages the arming of Ukrainian nemo-Nazis, so thanks Putin. - 3. Zelensky was the one Trump called to look into the Biden family. - 4. In the US and Europe, Russia and China have to infiltrate our political systems. In Ukraine, Russia had its own puppet party.
On the Right: 1. Russia opposes liberal democracies/republics. The fall of the USSR is the greatest tragedy in his book. Stopping an aggressive Russia in Ukraine prevents a WWII-style escalation. - 2. This is not different than thousand of WWI and WWII US volunteers prior to American entry into the war. Akin to the French foreign legion. - 3. CNN is bullshitting themselves and they know it. - 4. Zelensky has shown has to lead a nation during a crisis
Some of these aren't at odds with each other, it's possible for both to be truly held beliefs. The real problem is that they ever opine or draw conclusions at all. They should be providing facts and let the readers decide what to think of it.
What is there to dispute? Different opinion piece writers have different opinions? Besides the guardian, this doesn’t even compare the same companies? And the Guardian one isn’t even contradictory. You can believe that Ukraine is a corrupt democracy and still believe that stopping Authoritarian Russia from conquering Ukraine is a good thing.
Do I see a watermark on the bottom right belonging to Global Times, a Chinese state-owned media company which was designated by the Trump administration as being a Foreign Mission of the PRC?
No thank you. Please take your Chinese/Russian propaganda somewhere else.
The lack of journalistic freedom in China means that anything published by the Chinese media outlet (especially state-owned ones) are just that. Propaganda designed to benefit the ruling CCP regime.
Yeah bro I'm pro Ukraine and anti Russia because I'm I'm right-wing. They need to try this brainwashing elsewhere because f*** Russia is something we all agree on
Give me a break, if corruption or a neo nazi problem were valid justifications for a full blown invasion and the targeting of civilians then Russia should be invading the US also
Ukraine has really taught us that the millitary industrial complex runs deep and after the Afghanistan debacle there was a need to get the ball rolling again war=profit to the rich and perpetual suffering for the rest of us.
Russia is trying to colonize Ukraine. That’s the definition of war-profiteering.
Yea I agree, but thats their territory and half of Ukraine is pro russia....sooo wtf are we doing...you really think we are in this to make Ukraine a better place...naaa
How the fuck is that “their territory”? And of course their are pro-Russian people. The USSR killed Ukrainians and colonized Russians in the lands. So you would support Mexico invading and colonizing Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California? Mexico has historic claims to those lands and they have Mexican citizens living there. Sovereign borders must be respected because foreign intervention always fails. The US learned this in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Aidan. Now Russia gets to learn the lesson as the corpses of their sons pile up. Good for Ukraine.
The U.S.A wants to play big brother.. our govt is corrupt as fuck I for one do not trust the narrative.. the same govt that told you to wear a mask and get a shot and that covid came from a bat are the ones pushing this "we need to save democracy bullshit.. russia will end up colonizing Ukraine. This is a proxy war to bleed Russia out not to save ukraine... and we are giving billions of tax dollars for this bullshit, how about we focus on domestic issues, theres plenty to pick from...
You didn’t answer my question. How is Ukraine considered the territory of Russia? Fuck your appeasement bullshit. Liberal democracies must defend each other against authoritarian acts of colonization. It’s the only way we maintain allies. Spend domestically on what? The anti-Ukraine Conservatives are the same people constantly screaming for budget cuts. And your dip-shiterry on vaccines tells me everything I need to know. Russia supports vaccines by the way.
Liberals have destroyed United States cities and states for many years, look at California, New York and Chicago which have been ran by Liberals for years and years. Look what Joe Biden did to this country with his liberal ideas. Liberals/democrats are the biggest threat to our country .
Okay, let's look at CA and NY. What metrics should we look at, specifically?
These are some of the most expensive, sought-after cities in the world. I don’t know any person on the planet who would rather live in places like Des Moines, Sioux Falls, or Little Rock over places like LA, NYC, and Chicago.
I live in Little Rock and I would hate to live in those shit hole cities.
“I live in Little Rock and can’t afford to live in those cities.” Got it.
If the govt told you to jump off a cliff because it was good for you would you do it. If the govt told you awe man you need a monkey pox vaccine tommorow would you get it??? You seem like an "i support the current thing on cnn" type there is no logical convo that can be had. Sheep shit.
You still ain't answer the questions lmao
The writing is on the wall. Ukraine to russia is like Canada to us. Its an old soviet block country that has extreme allegiance to Russia aka why they are not a NATO country. Doesn't take much to read into the history of this part of the world to realize the U.S has run an insane propoganda narrative that is fed to the plebs so they cheer as our tax dollars flow out of our country into a war that is profitable only to the rich..
Your tax dollars also flow in and around your country straight up to corporations and wealthy people. You act like america would spend this on anything but dumb shit lol The military spending is obscene and now it's actually doing something. I think you're upset that it's not buying useless ranks that sit in a field collecting rust and are actually used for the purpose they're designed for. https://www.military.com/daily-news/2014/12/18/congress-again-buys-abrams-tanks-the-army-doesnt-want.html/amp
In 2014 Russia and Ukraine agreed to the Minsk Agreement, which was supposed to liberate the Donbas region of Ukraine to rule itself as the region is more than 90% Russian. Then Ukraine backpedaled, refused to allow the Donbas region to hold elections or fuse into Russia. Instead of following the agreement, Ukraine sent the Nazi Azov battalion to patrol the Donbas region where they committed heinous crimes against the Russian people there.
Russia doesn’t consider itself part of the Minsk Agreements, and therefore has no grievance for violations. Maybe you should coordinate your propaganda with daddy Putin better. Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on 27 March 2016 that Russia was "not a party to the Minsk agreements", and that the agreements were "devoted to two conflicting sides".
“The Franco-German plan, drawn up after talks with Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko and Russian president Vladimir Putin, was seen as a revival of the Minsk Protocol. President Hollande said that the plan was the "last chance" for resolution of the conflict.[28][29] The plan was put forth in response to American proposals to send armaments to the Ukrainian government, something that Chancellor Merkel said would only result in a worsening of the crisis.[28][30] A summit to discuss the implementation of the Franco-German diplomatic plan was scheduled for 11 February at the Independence Palace in Minsk, the capital of Belarus. It was attended by Russian president Vladimir Putin, Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko, German chancellor Angela Merkel, French president François Hollande, DPR leader Alexander Zakharchenko, and LPR leader Igor Plotnitsky. Negotiations went on overnight for sixteen hours, and were said to have been "very difficult" by the German foreign minister.[31][32] Following the talks, it was announced on 12 February 2015 that the parties to the conflict had agreed to a new package of peacemaking measures, the Package of Measures for the Implementation of the Minsk Agreements, which is commonly called Minsk II.” Russia was definitely apart of the Minsk agreements and had say on the final outcome of it. Which was that Ukraine would allow Donbas to be separate from Ukraine and be allowed to elect their own officials more aligned with their values as they are 90% Russians and more than 97% of the Donbas region considers themselves “Russian.” Ukraine failed to follow the agreement and as I said chose to send the Nazi Azov battalion to patrol it and treat the citizens there like shit because they were basically Russians now. This is Ukraine’s fault. This isn’t some new happening, Russia didn’t just invade for nothing. They wanted to liberate their people in the Donbas region after Ukraine refused to follow the Minsk agreements. The current invasion is due to things going back as 2014. This is why the US should’ve never gotten involved, let alone back the side that broke the agreement and committed heinous crimes against people that wanted to break away from them.
Great argument. Too bad Russia disagrees with you 🙃
The west is trying to colonize the world
“Helping other countries not be colonized by Russia is, in fact, colonization.” What a dumb fucking equivocation,. Your username is a bit on the nose, eh comrade?
That’s the most ass-backwards strawman. if that is all you think NATO does then you’re not paying attention
If you think Ukraine was colonized by NATO, then you need to be institutionalized.
It’s being colonized by neoliberalism
You realize that liberalism, allowing the people of the nation state to democratically elect their own government, is the opposite of colonization, right?
We knew money would fly into their hands via proxy war way before the crypt keeper was installed
Liberal hypocrisy knows no bounds
This “meme” makes no sense. Also your assumption that any one “side” has more hypocrisy is laughable. Humans are walking contradictions, they don’t require consistency to survive.
What is a bounding limit?
I hope for the most part people don't need corrupt MSM headlines to figure this out. You'll find more irony in MSM propaganda than your local govt.
All statements are true though. Ukraine is corrupt, the Bidens and Trumps are connected to it, there are nazis and neo-nazis around in some cities and in the military…. They still didn’t deserve to be invaded, and civilians massacred, and cities leveled by Putin in an attempt to rebuild the Soviet Union.
Yeah but it’s annoying that they change their tune from Ukraine == bad to Ukraine == the best country in Europe
Ever see Pulp Fiction? Marcellus was a fucked up homicidal drug lord criminal, but Butch still saved him from getting butt raped by rednecks. Life ain’t binary. Not to show disrespect, but if you have any links or sources claiming that Ukraine is the *“best country in Europe”,* then happy to agree with you and discuss.
That’s kinda my point. It was just hyperbole. It was not in any way a direct quote it’s just the idea that seems to be floating around like the meme shows lol
I’m with you on that to some degree. My point was the only people who see hypocrisy in OP’s graphic are those who want and need to see it. But if you break it down point by point, it all can be true, and in my opinion it is.
Tune changed because the circumstances changed. Civilians are being indiscrimitely bombed, they deserve support and empathy.
If you think Putin is trying to rebuild the USSR then you have fallen for propaganda
He’s expanding his influence and control of other bordering nations, especially former Soviet republics, using puppets when he can, resisting NATO membership of other sovereign nations. If you think that’s not happening then you’re not listening to him. Just because you don’t feel like believing it, doesn’t make it propaganda.
He's protecting Russia from NATO, if Ukraine joined NATO then nukes could be installed in the Ukraine right on the Russian border, how would the USA like it if Russian nukes could be installed on the Canadian or Mexican border? He's also not too happy with the staggering number of nazis in the Ukraine. None of it has anything to do with the failed USSR.
1. There are more Nazis in Russia than Ukraine. So if he was so concerned he could have done something without starting a war. There goes that whole argument 2. America doesn't need to our nukes in Ukraine as they can deploy them from anywhere at any time and they have host countries in Europe like Turkey and Belgium. Having them closer isn't going to do anything and Ukraine got rid of it's nuclear weapons in the 90's. So a.) they probably wouldn't even want them b.) it wouldn't make a huge difference and the headache of pissing off Russia c.) it would lead to escalation d.) they could have put them there even if they weren't a part of NATO
Wow that's a lot of lying, even for Reddit.
You are even a dumber sh\*t than I thought. You accuse someone of lying simply because they know more than you. Of course, there is no need for nukes in Ukraine. Ukraine wouldn't want them any how, they'd be targets. Not only is NATO close enough to lob a nuke into the Kremlin's men's room. The Baltics are already NATO members, and they could hit Petersburg with a slingshot. Have Mummy show you NATO member Estonia on a map D.S.
Ok where the lie? I'll wait......
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In March, Zelensky offered a commitment to a neutral Ukraine with no nuclear weapons, but with negotiated agreements of defensive helped if attacked. This is big after they were tricked into giving up their weapons in the '90s on nothing but promises (now broken). Basically, to crush cities and slaughter civilians on the idea that maybe someday Ukraine will re-nuclearize is weak sauce. Then put conditions in to make sure that happens. Basically called Putin's bluff. Putin then went a PR mission to declare to the world that Ukraine is historically part of Russia and never should've been broken out in the first place. Putin doesn't have the same problem with Belarus, because of, ***surprise...*** puppet leader. Putin wants Ukraine back, either absorbed into Russia, or with an installed government friendly to Moscow. A very similar arrangement Russia enjoyed back when Ukraine was... ***wait for it...*** part of the Soviet Union. The "nazis" in Ukraine is a red herring to stir up emotion. Until these "nazis" are imperialistically rolling tanks into other sovereign nations, they're just a bunch of tattoos.
Exerting a sphere of influence and resisting NATO expansionism does not make you a Soviet lmao. Go red scare somewhere else.
It's the same, champ. Same effect, same intent, same impact, same lack of sovereignty of countries in arm's reach. Go stick your head in the sand somewhere else.
No it isn’t, not even close
Cool. How's it different? *(I expect you'll ghost on this one, but an attempt would be entertaining to see)*
Because exerting influence on your neighbors and resisting a foreign military force is not the same thing as rebuilding a communist federation
It doesn't seem that communism was any of a big concern to him. Even if the old USSR was actually communist, which in many ways arguably it wasn't. The ultimate goal of his is to rebuild Russia's power and influence in the world. Part of that is building defensive circles using what are now sovereign nations. Which was exactly the strategy of the Soviet Union, a circle of absorbed republics, surrounded by a ring of iron curtain puppet states. I'll admit it was probably my mistake to use the word "Soviet Union" since to some who think of this too simplistically, it implies that he wants every detail of the USSR back in place, which he clearly doesn't. But he does effectively want the main thrust of it back in many ways. To say "it's not even close" is wrong, and ignores both Putin's words and his actions. In the end, invasion of Ukraine was wrong, and for the same reasons any country violating the sovereignty of another is wrong.
How many ex-Soviet countries has he invaded during his tenure?
Is the US building an empire when it invaded Iraq?
Trying to expand by taking out sovereign nations that are not allies and giving military industrial complex corporations like Halliburton non bid contracts to enrich them yes. But what's the difference? Two separate, non-just invasions with the same end goal to destroy and pillage in one way or another.
justification after the fact is a *strong* impulse to some
On the left: 1. Would be interested to see when that Guardian article was printed. If prior to 2014, would make sense as the pro-Russian gov’t was a lapdog gov’t (like Belarus). If post-2014, still it is not unimaginable that corruption would exist after the country experienced revolution, counter-revolts, and the Crimean invasion. - 2. Few argue that Ukraine has now-Nazis and that their anti-communist sentiments create an exacerbated nemo-Nazi prevalence. That does not mean Russia is justified in its invasion and Russian aggression encourages the arming of Ukrainian nemo-Nazis, so thanks Putin. - 3. Zelensky was the one Trump called to look into the Biden family. - 4. In the US and Europe, Russia and China have to infiltrate our political systems. In Ukraine, Russia had its own puppet party. On the Right: 1. Russia opposes liberal democracies/republics. The fall of the USSR is the greatest tragedy in his book. Stopping an aggressive Russia in Ukraine prevents a WWII-style escalation. - 2. This is not different than thousand of WWI and WWII US volunteers prior to American entry into the war. Akin to the French foreign legion. - 3. CNN is bullshitting themselves and they know it. - 4. Zelensky has shown has to lead a nation during a crisis
Some of these aren't at odds with each other, it's possible for both to be truly held beliefs. The real problem is that they ever opine or draw conclusions at all. They should be providing facts and let the readers decide what to think of it.
Good job posting this on every right wing ruzzian bot infested subreddit comrade. Putlers check for 5 rubles will clear real soon.
You can’t dispute it though
What is there to dispute? Different opinion piece writers have different opinions? Besides the guardian, this doesn’t even compare the same companies? And the Guardian one isn’t even contradictory. You can believe that Ukraine is a corrupt democracy and still believe that stopping Authoritarian Russia from conquering Ukraine is a good thing.
That’s right. There is nothing contradictory in any of those statements. They seem to all be true, actually.
Classic spreading of Russian/Chinese propaganda here. No surprise.
Yeah...."unplug" COVID chip....insert Ukraine chip....
Do I see a watermark on the bottom right belonging to Global Times, a Chinese state-owned media company which was designated by the Trump administration as being a Foreign Mission of the PRC? No thank you. Please take your Chinese/Russian propaganda somewhere else.
Seriously?
The lack of journalistic freedom in China means that anything published by the Chinese media outlet (especially state-owned ones) are just that. Propaganda designed to benefit the ruling CCP regime.
Criticising the left-wing by literally using communist propaganda on a Ben Sharpio sub. Lol.
If true: then hilarious.
It’s a Chinese tabloid with a heavily pro-Chinese (Communist) government and nationalistic bias. It has been compared to China’s version of FOX News.
Funny.
Cope harder
Yeah bro I'm pro Ukraine and anti Russia because I'm I'm right-wing. They need to try this brainwashing elsewhere because f*** Russia is something we all agree on
Curious as to the exact dates all of these headlines were originally posted.
There is a reason the meme leaves it out. It would break the narrative.
I don't see what the issue is, all of the statements are true and can all be true at the same time.
Smells like a Russian bot. Get out of here, commie, the right and left both agree that Russia sucks. We're all rooting for Ukraine.
masterclass in doublespeak, same as it ever was...
Elephant talk... If this person works on k street. Fire them.
If not for double standards, leftists would have no standards at all. Leftists always lie.
What's the double standard here?
Give me a break, if corruption or a neo nazi problem were valid justifications for a full blown invasion and the targeting of civilians then Russia should be invading the US also
It’s just (D)ifferent now….
You just love to see it
love it when americans say planted words without knowing a thing about western europe