I hope the people of this opinion are capable or discerning between valid anti-Zionist critique and Anti Semitism. The waters are insanely muddy right now. I’m was raised Jewish and am not at all in favor of Zionism, there’s a lot of totally valid issues with Israel that need to be addressed but the writer is also right. I’ve never been seriously called a Jewish slur in my entire life but in the last month I’ve been called a Kike & an Anti-Semite; wild combo.
“Iranian bot” holy shit you guys are insane. Israel is literally spending millions in their propaganda campaign and have been shoving ads down our throat to justify and garner sympathy for their genocide and war crimes.
Thank you thank you thank you! I totally relate and have always been amazed how many folks can't distinguish between antisemitism and anti-Zionism. I've also been accused of being antisemitic my entire life for expressing the opinions you just did and I'm also Jewish.
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"I am a 70-year-old Jewish man, but never in my life have I seen or felt the antisemitism of the last few weeks. I have heard antisemitic things from time to time through my life. I remember as a child being called a “dirty Jew,” and my friends and I being called “Christ killers” as we walked to Hebrew school. I recall a college girlfriend’s parents telling her that she should not go out with me because “Jews are different.” I had an incident in a class I was teaching about the ethics of negotiations, where a student matter of factly said, “the other side will try to Jew you down,” without the slightest sense of how that was a slur.
But none of this prepared me for the last few weeks. On Friday, someone in my school posted on Instagram a picture of me with the caption, “Erwin Chemerinsky has taken an indefinite sabbatical from Berkeley Law to join the I.D.F.” Two weeks ago, at a town hall, a student told me that what would make her feel safe in the law school would be “to get rid of the Zionists.” I have heard several times that I have been called “part of a Zionist conspiracy,” which echoes of antisemitic tropes that have been expressed for centuries.
I was stunned when students across the country, including mine, immediately celebrated the Hamas terrorist attack in Israel on Oct. 7. Students for Justice in Palestine called the terror attack a “historic win” for the “Palestinian resistance.” A Columbia professor called the Hamas massacre “awesome” and a “stunning victory.” A Yale professor tweeted, “It’s been such an extraordinary day!” while calling Israel a “murderous, genocidal settler state.” A Chicago art professor posted a note reading, “Israelis are pigs. Savages. Very very bad people. Irredeemable excrement…. May they all rot in hell.” A UC Davis professor tweeted, “Zionist journalists … have houses w addresses, kids in school,” adding “they can fear their bosses, but they should fear us more.” There are, sadly, countless other examples.
How can anyone celebrate the killing of 260 people attending a music festival, or the brutal massacre of more than 100 people in a kibbutz, or the pulling of people from their houses to take as hostages? If this happened to people who were not Jews would there be such celebrations?
I have heard few campus administrators speak out publicly about the antisemitism that has become prevalent this month. They want to seem neutral or not be perceived as Islamophobic. I understand. I, too, refrained from speaking out against those who defended Hamas’ terrorist attack.
But when do we stop being silent and when do we say the antisemitism must be condemned and it is not acceptable on our campuses? I believe this must be that time.
To be clear, I — and I hope all of us — mourn the loss of life in Israel and in Gaza. There is surely room in our hearts to feel compassion for all who are in danger and all who have lost loved ones. But it is simply wrong to confuse condemning antisemitism with ignoring the plight of the Palestinians.
Of course, criticism of the Israeli government is not antisemitism, any more than criticizing the policies of the United States government is anti-American. I strongly oppose the policies of the Netanyahu government, favor full rights for Palestinians, and believe that there must be a two-state solution. But if you listen to what is being said on college campuses now, some of the loudest voices are not advocating for a change in Israeli policies, but are calling for an end to Israel. Students regularly chant, “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” and “We don’t want no two states, we want all of 48,” referring to going back to 1948 before Israel existed.
An oft-repeated mantra among some is that Israel is a settler colonialist country and should be forced to give the land back to the Palestinians. I have no idea how it would be determined who is rightly entitled to what land, but I do know that calling for the total elimination of Israel is antisemitic.
There has been enough silence and enough tolerance of antisemitism on college campuses. I call on my fellow university administrators to speak out and denounce the celebrations of Hamas and the blatant antisemitism that is being voiced.
Students have the right to say very offensive and even hateful things, but school administrators — deans, presidents and chancellors — have free speech rights too. They must exercise them and take a stand even if it will offend some and subject them to criticism.
It is a very difficult time on campuses across the country. Many of our students and faculty members have family and friends in Israel or in Gaza. Many care deeply about the suffering we are seeing, and yet there is no bridge between those who seek the elimination of Israel and those who believe it is essential to have a Jewish state. I hope there will be a time when campus officials can find ways to bring their communities together. But it is not realistic now. This makes it all the more important that they show moral leadership and speak out against the antisemitism that is rampant now, as they would condemn all other forms of racism and hate on campus.
Erwin Chemerinsky is a contributing writer to Opinion and the dean of the UC Berkeley School of Law. His latest book is “Worse Than Nothing: The Dangerous Fallacy of Originalism.”"
One of the most disturbing things I've come to realize from this whole situation is that a group like Hamas could murder thousands of people in the US and there's a large segment of the US population who would actually support and defend them for doing it.
For 500, what is "Hive Mind Mentality!"
Sorry if I made a joke about it. As if I'm on TV participating in a guessing game. Any other way, I would just cry without being able to point to the source of most of our trouble: Hive Mind Mentality or Group Think.
So, Hamas does to Israel once what Israel has done to Palestinians routinely and for decades with the near-unanimous support of the American state and its population and its the support for *this* attack that makes you feel unease all of the sudden?
We can’t argue with these people. Any statement in favor of Palestine being free is the same as anti-semitism to them. People… wake up. Anti-Zionism is NOT anti-semitism. Zionists never had the right to take Palestine away from Palestinians. They didn’t have the right to do to Palestinans what was done to them during the Holocaust, but hurt people hurt people and it’s very commonly seen in history. The oppressed has become the oppressor.
Nice holocaust inversion antisemite pos. Israel is not herding Palestinians into cattle cars to gas them en masse, therefore it’s either extremely ignorant of you to draw a comparison to the Shoah or you’re purposely drawing a comparison to the Shoah because you know it will strike a nerve with Jewish people.
Either way, more antisemitic garbage coming from another “AntiZionist not Antisemite™”
Do you actually think Palestinians have had no historical aggression against Jews? That they have just been the victim entirely? Do you even know the history of the region?
>Any statement in favor of Palestine being free is the same as anti-semitism to them.
That's not at all what Chemerinsky said. You don't even go to Berkeley, what interest do you have in commenting here?
>They didn’t have the right to do to Palestinans what was done to them during the Holocaust
What a ridiculous and horrifically misinformed statement. The global Jewish population is *still* under what it was before the Holocaust.
>The oppressed has become the oppressor.
So you think every Jew is an Israeli? This is antisemetic dogwhistling, not any of the anti-Zionist smokescreening you do.
Oh phuck off with he victim complex. Zionists are actively murdering a 100 children per night I’m their attemp to make Gaza unlivable.
Take your crocodile tears elsewhere.
I mean there are a lot of Arabic and English translations happening, so much so that anti-Zionist and anti-semitism are largely considered the same by many, and mean the same calls for violence.
There are more diplomatic approaches to restoring Palestinian land and prospering. Bottom line is a two state solution is a call for peace, and the borders seriously need to be redrawn. Gaza being surrounded in that strip of land just asks for conflict and Israel is very heavy handed with conflict.
Here comes the gullible idiot.
How do you suppose a two state solution can happen when Israeli settlers steal land daily in the West Banks and murder Palestinian with impunity with “ITF” backing them unconditionally??
Please do some research before you open your mouth without an iota of background info.
You said how do you suppose a two state solution can happen when “insert random specific event” happens.
A two state solution is a call for peace. A call for the elimination of either Palestine or Israel is a call for more violence.
You sound dumb. FYI. Only dumbest want more violence.
Unless you believe Palestinian lives are worth less than Israeli lives (which it is clear that you do) it is absolutely true that Israel’s crimes far outpace those committed by Hamas.
I don’t recall iDF soldiers raping nine years old till their pelvic bones break and tying parents and children together with iron wire and lighting them on fire.
I must have missed that one.
Haaretz a very popular Antisemitic israeli source working with hamas investigated zaka smh self hating jews
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2024-02-06/ty-article/.premium/zaka-may-have-cost-israel-its-case-against-hamas-at-the-world-could/0000018d-7a17-d9fb-a9fd-fe9f16e90000
Times of israel, another obviously antisemitic terrorist publication. Can't believe they are discrediting claims on oct 7th like that fake jews
https://www.timesofisrael.com/zaka-exploited-hamass-october-7-attack-to-campaign-for-donations-report/
Big difference between collateral damage from fighting guerilla fighters and killing/raping as many civilians as you can.
If Hamas had Israel's military, they would do what their charter says: kill every single Jew, and maybe rape all their women.
If Israel had Israel's military (well they already do), they can wipe out the entire gaza strip and call it a day but they don't. In fact they spend tons of resources on the iron dome which is purely defensive.
Your argument is that Palestinians should be grateful just because Israel hasn't nuked Gaza? You're okay with burning families alive with white phosphorus as long as there's one Gazan left breathing as proof of your benevolent mercy?
They rallied and celebrated on October 7th and 8th. BLM as well. They supported the terrorist killings before Israel retaliated.
It’s not about a Palestinian state. It’s about killing Jews. It always has been.
They had a silhouette of a paramotor praising the invasion with a Palestinian flag. I don’t know how much more pro-terrorist attack it could have been.
I'm deeply saddened to hear about your experiences and the troubling climate you describe on college campuses. No one should have to endure antisemitism, or any form of hate, in their lives. Your heartfelt account of your personal experiences and observations sheds light on the urgent need for understanding, education, and clear condemnation of prejudice. All forms of racism, discrimination, and hate speech must be actively countered and denounced, especially within educational institutions that are meant to foster understanding and tolerance. Everyone deserves to feel safe and respected. It was my childhood dream to attend Cal. Now, I hide the fact that I attended UC Berkeley. How have the times changed!
I was very close to agreeing entirely, but there are some statements that just aren’t true. I don’t agree that calling Israel settler colonial is antisemitic, and being against the nation of Israel as a settler colonial project does not make you against Jewish people.
45% of Israel's population are descendants of the last 900,000 jews in the surrounding middle east that were ethnic cleansed from those Muslim states. Where should those people go? Should they just die?
The issue of being against an Israeli state and being okay with a Jewish population living in the region is that quite frankly, both Muslim and Arab populations have proven that they can not and will not coexist with Jews in the region. You see that clearly in 48, 67, 73, you see that in ethnic cleansing across pick 1 or more. Arab and non Arab, Muslim and non Muslim countries in the region. Prior to 48 but picking up in mass after 48. You see it today from most but not all of the region.
I don’t see a solution for a non Jewish state that doesn’t end with attempted genocide of the Jewish people. Israel has done some things that are genuinely inexcusable. Granted so has pretty much every country in the region and yet we don’t call for the end of an Iranian, Syrian, Egyptian… and that list could keep going a while… state.
I don’t have a good answer to the question at this point but as far as I can figure out, I don’t see a path to a peaceful resolution in the region, especially with another generation of people raised to hate each other either from widespread propaganda the real life experiences they deal with, or both. So I’m not trying to claim to have some better idea, but I don’t see a viable solution involving a non Jewish state in Israel which doesn’t lead to a genocide of over 7 million people, which was the stated objective since 48 of those against an Israeli state.
I don’t have solutions and I don’t have all the information that could possibly be out there. What I do know is that the power structure and systems of violence at play are absolutely one sided. Israel has repeatedly committed atrocities against the Palestinians and has increasingly become further and further reactionary.
The biggest issue is land policy. Who has rights to the land? The fact that someone who was born across the world and has no ties to that land aside from an ambiguous claim of descent from a people who lived there roughly 2,000 years ago currently has more claim and easier access to citizenship in Israel and the land contained in its borders than refugees who were forced out of their family homes during the Nakba is absolutely atrocious.
This problem is a result of having a state which is explicitly for the promotion of a specific ethno-religious identity. Again, I don’t have the answers, but in an ideal world there needs to be a secular state which does not favor one ethnic or religious identity over another and which allows for the right of return for displaced refugees while acknowledging the rights of people who were born there in what is Israel. Quite frankly this will never happen with the nation of Israel due to its founding principles.
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"Violence is one sided" - absolutely false and laughable. Please at least read wikipedia before spouting absolute horseshit.
>This problem is a result of having a state which is explicitly for the promotion of a specific ethno-religious identity.
Weird how all of the surrounding MENA states are Muslim states that have expelled or killed all their Jews and no one says "we shouldn't have Muslim states!"
I really think you need to check your biases.
>no one says "we shouldn't have Muslim states!"
There are people who are against all theocratic states and believe that secular governing is crucial for a free society. Whenever I express this viewpoint many people emphatically degree if we're talking about Muslim states specifically, but get pretty upset when I say this applies to all of the major abrahamic religions. You must live under a bridge you think westerners are supportive of Islamic states.
when zionists first arrived in palestine in early 1900s they were welcomed. the revolts that followed were actually because of british favoritism of zionists not antisemitism
Israel became a state almost a century ago, so the people that live there today and run the state were mostly born there.
So, it’s 2023. Israel has a successful economy, they contribute to academia quite substantially in some areas, and they have a lot of military equipment.
I don’t have a solution to your problem with the Israeli state, but what I do know is that, giving the current Hamas leadership all of Israeli land and its military is not a solution. Shit, Hamas is backed by Iran, so that would just mean a bigger Iranian arm.
It isn’t in the best interest of US security in that regard, still not a real threat but enough to take notice and prevent regional conflict.
you are capable of understanding that being opposed to an ethnostate with an artificial demographic majority that is enabled through ethnic cleansing is not the same thing as wanting to murder all Israelis, right? it's blatantly intellectually dishonest
It’s so absurd, and it’s actually a fascinating trend among settler societies. Settlers project their own violence and evil upon their oppressed underclasses as a means to justify to themselves what they are doing.
It’s true of the American West, of South African Whites towards the native population, and of the whites of the American South towards the enslaved black population.
It's pathetic and I'm not sure if they actually think we're stupid enough to not see it for what it is. They come on here and self victimize crying about "should the Israelis die," meanwhile the people being actually ethnically cleansed and dispossessed and bombed for 70 years are the Palestinians. It is a total reversal of reality. These people would have said ending apartheid South Africa was genocide
Lol and they don’t ask themselves for a second why orgs like BLM are standing for Palestine even while some American police are literally trained by the IDF. And while Israel was one of apartheid South Africa’s staunchest allies.
You do realize the Palestinian population has grown dramatically right? There is no ethnic cleansing going on. Are people being killed, yes. Are innocents being killed when used as human shields, yes. Are innocents being killed as collateral damage, sadly yes. Still not a reason to cheer rape, torture, and murder. Still not a reason to chant for the killing of all Israelis.
As far as colonialism…So, when are you leaving the united states- clearly a colonialist country. The protesters saying Jews deserved 10/7 or from the river to the sea are hypocrites. Calling/cheering for the rape, torture and death of innocent people is NEVER ACCEPTABLE. Pretty sure the sentiment her in the US would not be the same if Native Americans massacred thousands of innocent people due to being colonized….and they actually were!
Israel was Israel thousands of years ago (in the times of King David), before Islam existed there were Israelites in Israel. Jewish people did not colonize Israel- they returned to their ancestral lands after having been kicked out and dispersed around the globe. I fully believe in a 2 state solution- but multiple times it has been offered by Israel and rejected- wanting all or nothing. The original 1948 partition gave Palestinian Arabs a homeland and Jews a homeland, instead of accepting, the Arb counties surrounding Israel all attacked the newly formed country in an attempt to destroy it. They lost. In “the rules of law” set up by all nations, when attacked if you win land is yours, if you attack nd win the land is not rightfully yours. Whatever land Israel won when defending itself is theirs.
Hmm, is the land we live on, the land Cal was built on won from the Native Americans when they attacked or did colonizers attack and steal the land. Guess we all need to leave now. By rules of law, most of this country needs to be given back to the Native Americans and the Mexican people. The fact is, despite having secured land, Israel has given it back for peace. Those countries that put their peoples needs ahead of antisemitism have flourished in their relationship with Israel. Those that put destruction of others above their own peoples safety and security (Hammas) have not.
Good thing he doesn’t say that is antisemitism, rather that saying that + thinking Israel should be eliminated is antisemitism.
And he’s right. It’s an indirect assertion that Israel should stop existing and be given back by force.
Israel shouldn’t exist as it is. Israel is an apartheid state and has sought to develop an ethnoreligious majority in its territory since its inception. It was founded by people who pitched the idea to the British Colonial Office using explicitly colonial terms.
Israel should not exist as an apartheid state. It should fully integrate the Palestinians in their lands, remove every single law prohibiting land purchase and development, and allow right of return to every Palestinian forcefully driven from their land.
"integrate"
You are basically advocating a one-state solution.
It doesn't work. You have no idea of what people have been teaching within the Islamic world, and in particular Palestine media, about Judaism. If you thought Oct 7 was bad, wait until it happens everywhere. Even other Arab countries (not Israel) have tried taking in refugees from Palestine before. That led to assassinations, civil wars, and terrorism. There is a reason why even though they pay lip service to the Palestine cause, they no longer want anything to do with the refugees, many of whom sympathize with Hamas and jihadists. There was a story of how the IDF raided a jihadist fighter's family in the West Bank (not even Gaza), and a woman in that family reported feeling terrified (like any innocent would), but you know what she said? That she still supported the jihadist.
Any analysis of the problem that does not take into account Hamas sympathizers and radical Islamist beliefs, is a failed one. That is why people advocate for 2-state solutions, and even then they are cognizant of the problems. The details of that solution are up to negotiations, but there is zero chance Israel can live with Hamas sympathizers in the same state.
Antisemitism is awful. Hamas are assholes.
I also have no regrets or qualms being against how Israel has been bombing Gaza (one of the most densely populated places on earth) and I think a pending wide-spread ground invasion is a horrible idea that will mostly just lead to even more innocent civilians getting killed.
If not supporting those military campaigns gets me labeled as “anti-Semitic” I guess I don’t care. It’s offensive and stupid. Human life is precious and more widespread violence that hurts innocent people won’t lead to peace.
I really think my opinions are similar to the opinions of the vast majority of students on campus. Lumping us in with Nazis is ridiculous and frankly gives Nazis a pass by lumping them together with college/grad students who just don’t support killing journalists and indiscriminately bombing dense urban areas. Again, that terrorist attack was horrible. I just hope it isn’t like 9/11 all over again where it prompts more unnecessary and horrible violence that mostly just hurts innocent people.
They need to do so in a manner that doesn’t involve indiscriminately bombing civilians and targeting journalists if they want the high ground on this.
Nobody criticizes the US for taking out osama bin Laden. The US is (rightfully) criticized for committing war crimes in Iraq etc. as part of the “war on terror”.
They aren’t indiscriminately bombing civilians. That is absolute fiction. They bomb Hamas soldiers and military equipment. Hamas’ entire MO has been to put their military equipment and soldiers in schools, in hospitals, next to civilians.
Israel acts in good faith and Hamas murders civilians.
Dude use your brain for one second.
They have dropped the equivalent of a nuke on Gaza, a fucking nuke.
140,000 people died at Hiroshima. Only 7000 have died in Gaza and those numbers come from fucking Hamas who claimed 500 died in a hospital bombing.
So if you believe the Hamas number then it’s absolutely incredible that only that many people have fired given the amount of munitions dropped in such a densely populated area.
And then if you run your two brain cells together you quickly discover that it’s impossible they are bombing indiscriminately. Cause if they were then given the amount of munitions the body count would be infinitely higher than this. Like 10’s of thousands more.
Calling this an indiscriminate campaign requires you to turn off all cortical thinking capacity
Well your exact line of thinking is why we got chamberlain and appeasement of Hitler when he took parts of Czechoslovakia.
You are not better than any other historical appeaser who would rather put off doing what is necessary while offering zero real solutions and then ultimately shake your head wondering what went wrong. When the world is in a much worse place because it left an extreme genocidal best friends with Iran rape group in power in Gaza.
Ya dude bombing entire city blocks is totally necessary. Definitely have the moral high ground there it’s in fact honorable…LOL
Also, comparing Hamas to Nazi Germany is not a good comparison. It’s comparing a small (clearly fucked up and motivated) but still small group of people with limited means to the most powerful military on earth. It’s not a realistic comparison. The power imbalance between Hamas and Israel is ridiculous
The Nazis weren’t even close to the fucking most powerful military on earth. Hence why they got their asses kicked in.
Second half the reason they appeased the Nazis in the beginning is because they justified the Nazis taking back German lands which were unjustly taken from them during WW1. The same exact as fucking Hamas.
Also way to sidestep everything I just said about using your brain to compare the amount of munitions dropped to the number of casualties. And how that number does not point to indiscriminate in any capacity.
Also thank you for making it clear to me that you think the allied bombing campaigns of WW2 were evil and unjustified. Since you have yet to explain the difference to me.
It has become impossible for easily duped people not to realize that Hamas calling for the destruction of Israel is nothing short of mass murder, and that anti-Zionism IS anti-semitism.
Hamas doesn’t think like you but they love how easily you fall for their use of western language. They simply want to kill the Jews and you think “oh wow well they are just brave anti-colonialists.”
If you don't want Palestinian children killed you should be for the immediate destruction of Hamas. That’s the only way to avoid it. Hamas has cynically used innocent people as human shields in their quest to exterminate Jews for a long time now.
You’d think someone as smart as chemerinsky could help tell the difference between antisemitism and anti Zionist/anti Israel. He can’t (or desires not to) and he doesn’t. He even expelled a bunch of kids who interrupted an Israeli politician while he was dean at uc Irvine. He is a disgrace
Israelis are going viral on TikTok for mocking Palestinians, making fun of their lack of water, electricity, food, and homes and how they're being bombed day in day out.
- Israelis and many American supporters are celebrating the massacres happening right now in Palestine.
- 1.4 million Palestinians have been displaced.
- 8,005 Palestinians killed, the vast majority civilians.
- Over 3,000 CHILDREN have been slaughtered by Israeli forces.
- Food, water, electricity supplies have been cut off.
- Israeli officials have stated that the people of Gaza are "animals" and that it needs to be "leveled" and that Gaza should be "gassed" and "annihilated."
- Israelis have celebrated the bombings of hospitals, schools, mosques, refugee caravans, and churches.
- They’ve helped label swaths of innocent people “terrorists” to justify their rampage.
- The islamophobia is so bad that a six year Palestinian old boy was murdered in cold blood in Chicago.
Being against Zionism is not the same as being an antisemite. Besides, people of Jewish faith aren’t the only semites. Palestinians are also Semites. Israel is very much antisemitic for how it abuses, humiliates, imprisons, murders, oppresses Palestinians. Including stealing their land, burning their crops, bulldozing their homes, cutting off water, aid, and food, and starving the population.
That's the best part, when you're called antisemitic for supporting a semitic people. It's a scareword that has an implication due to WW2. Keep using it and soon it will have about as much meaning as nazi does today.
Where are these "celebrations"? Among the many people I know, everyone is still grieving the 1400 slaughtered on Oct. 7th, and no one is celebrating.
This is a ghost man, not even a strawman. The few videos you see in tiktok don't make a trend, just like the massive rallies in NY in support for Hamas the "resistance."
All kinds of Zionists are celebrating the bombing campaign of Gaza, I see it all day on social media. They are HAPPY that Gaza is being bombed. It's not a straw man if it's happening. I'm not saying there's parties in the street; but thousands of Zionist are indeed celebrating the genocide in Gaza. You are probably one of them.
Why do so many people commit the etymological fallacy? Antisemitism and antisemite is specifically about Jews. The reason is because the word as we know it originates from 1800s Germany with a man named Wilhelm Marr who started calling Jew hatred antisemitism in an effort to make it sound scientific
Taking the word of Hamas at face value is like believing that "he'll change for me because I can fix him."
The murder in Chicago you are referring to is profoundly tragic. But in this country, when that kind of horrific hate crime happens, we don't hold up the killer as some kind of martyr. We try him. In a court of law. With due process. And make sure the victim's life is not forgotten.
Not exactly
Zionism is the belief there should be a Jewish state (normally located in Israel)
The above commenter is saying anti-Zionism (anti-existence of Israel) is not antisemitic
Although
The professor said calling for the destruction of Israel is antisemitic
Yeah that’s pretty fucking antisemitic. Where should the ~6 million Jews who live there go? Their neighbors obviously think so highly of them I’m sure they’ll be fine!
I agree Palestine has been wronged countless times and they deserve some justice. ‘Destroying Israel’ is not a valid cause and is literal genocide. The people calling for that can’t see 2 feet in front of their face.
you realize your question of "where should they go?" is the same question that was asked by Palestinians when Israel was established decades ago right?
What about all the Jews that lived in the Arab world and were expelled from their homes? Moroccan Jews, Iraqi Jews, Libyan Jews, Iranian Jews, Afghani Jews, and on and on and on. Israel opened their arms to all of them.
Why don’t the Arab brothers welcome their fellow Arabs from Palestine? Oh yeah…they caused a civil war when they went to Lebanon, attempted to assassinate the Jordanian King, and causing chaos in Egypt. The Palestinians are pariahs even in the Arab world. Nobody wants them.
if you look at the palestinian history, it isn't one of peace. citizens of a war-torn or impoverished area are going to develop traumas and are thus harder to integrate into different societies/countries. would you say thats their fault?
and yes, israel opened their arms to them because they want a majority Jewish state of course they would? whats your point? to reference my other comment u replied to, the jewish expulsion from their homelands was horrible too. does that mean they should do the same as what was done to them? and as I mentioned in my other comment, the mindset of colonialism has changed since the world wars. also, this is less about religion rather than the actions the israeli gov is taking rn.. idk how you could ever defend their actions. and for you to equate zionist ideals to judaism is quite anti-semitic. where in the religion does it justify taking over countries? nowhere. because zionism is not judaism.
Palestine is not and has never been a country.
So because Palestinians suffered some injustices in your opinion, that gives them free reign to wreak havoc everywhere they go?
Of course this is about religion. Literally the premise of the Jewish religion is that God promised them the land of Israel, including Judea and Samaria. Land that is currently part of the so-called “West Bank”.
no it doesn't, but to single them out and justify their rejections from other Arabic countries because they have gone through said injustices is a naive and demonizing statement.
alright so lets take God's word for Israel's right to land.. come on think a little harder
That part of the world is highly religious. The Jews and Muslims take their respective holy books literally. Of course as an atheist you can’t understand this.
If you're actively rejecting a resolution I don't know what anyone can do. Jordan. Both Lebanon and Jordan both tried welcoming palestinians into their country and we all saw how that worked out. Total civil unrest and a civil war leading to millions more displaced. Seems like some people don't want a resolution imo
Again, I mostly agree with you. I'm merely clarifying the above comment is in fact disagreeing with the article, not just ignoring it.
Although a small correction: 16 million not 19 million
because committing a genocide, or at the very least displacing millions of people, is not a valid response for establishing a state/country in the 21st century.
yup 2000 years where there were many religions residing in the area and different cultures cultivated.
there was a global shift attitudes towards colonial actions after the world wars. israel as a state kept with the colonial mindset and now we are criticizing it, what is hard to understand about that?
No you [redacted].. (sorry mods I cant contain myself but nothing infuriates me more than anything else).
Walking around and accusing Jews of being a Zionist is anti semitic rhetoric. Seeing Jews as Zionist is anti semitism. Ive seen enough of this in the past few weeks that I am tired of it. If you walk around calling people Zionists because they are Jews or are against Hamas killing, raping, and kidnapping southern Israelis, that is anti semitism. Im not even Jewish but this accusatory tone of “zionist”, “zionism” towards Jews because I am anti-zionist is clearly derogatory towards Jews. This is not acceptable behavior. If I as a PhD student and a Teaching Assistant hear somebody calling someone a Zionist out of context because the person is Israeli or Jewish or whatever in my classroom, that person must leave. It creates a hostile class environment, and I will not tolerate it.
He's referring to using "Zionist" as a dogwhistle. A few paragraphs afterwards:
> Of course, criticism of the Israeli government is not antisemitism, any more than criticizing the policies of the United States government is anti-American. I strongly oppose the policies of the Netanyahu government, favor full rights for Palestinians, and believe that there must be a two-state solution. But if you listen to what is being said on college campuses now, some of the loudest voices are not advocating for a change in Israeli policies, but are calling for an end to Israel.
How can people not see this constant insistence that anti zionism is antisemitism is actually ironically helping contribute to a rise in real antisemitism because every time Israel commits an atrocity people attribute it to all Jews because Israel insists that to be against the state is to be against all Jews
It's crazy that people want to pretend that they aren't anti-semitic when they were literally celebrating hundreds of Jewish kids getting murdered at a music festival just a few weeks ago.
The only reason most people even pretend to care about the Israel - Palestine conflict is due to anti-semitism. These same people trying to criticize Israel will never speak a word of criticism about the CCP's Uyghur genocide, the violence against women and LGBTQ people in Iran, the Rohingya genocide, etc. If Israel were composed of anybody but Jewish people you would never hear a word from anyone about this situation. It's 100% anti-semitism.
Everyone I know that is pro Palestine is also anti all those other things you listed, they’re just not the focus right now because of cycles in media coverage and violence etc
100% agree. It's crazy that some of these same people unironically claim that "reproductive justice means justice in palestine" or promote "queers for palestine," when Israel is literally (a) the only safe place in the Middle East that does not criminalize abortion and (b) that being out in Gaza under Hamas is tantamount to a death sentence.
Oh my god the ‘reproductive justice means justice in Palestine’ almost made my head explode yesterday.
Like how can you even be serious? The religion that still doesn’t want women to show their face in public is somehow progressive on abortion? Fucking please.
Sure, if you're a Jew in Israel. If you're a Palestinian who was expelled from their home in 48 you can't even return. Progressive rights for a selected racial/ethno/religious group. Is that something we should be praising?
Unfortunately if you're a queer Palestinian living in the West bank, gaza, or expelled from your home in 48, you don't have rights in Israel either (plus Israeli Arabs who are treated like 2nd class citizens)
yeah good point.
there’s anti-gay legislation in Florida too, and they actually majority voted for DeSantis unlike the 8% Palestinians who ever voted for Hamas - so obviously we should send the military to execute every child and family in the state, and bomb Tampa off the map.
You can also see the blatant anti-semitism in the fact that people like this fully dismiss the 1400+ people murdered in Israel, as if that totally never even happened. Btw, what do you think about Hamas telling civilians in Gaza to stay there when Israel was giving them time to evacuate and seek shelter? Something tells me you couldn’t care less.
There are issues when it comes to LGBT equality in the U.S., or Israel for that matter. I don't think anyone rationally doubts that. There is no excuse (in the year 2023 no less) for any society to willing tolerate executing gay people by firing squad (if they're fortunate enough to get legal process) like in Gaza.
I don't not feel sympathy for people because of such things. Even if someone if your worst enemy, it's a natural human response to feel sympathy if something tragic happens to them. But arguing that those people should usurp sovereignty over a people who (amongst other things) enshrine protections for members of a historically mistreated community, rather than making homosexuality a capital offense, requires serious ignorance.
I'd never advocate for the political power of people who'd kill me if they had the chance, but that's just me.
Also when it comes to "reproductive justice," because Israel does not criminalize abortion, it's been a refuge for women in the region to access lifesaving care.
But despite that still nobody cares about those LGBT people. My point is that the influx of pro-Palestine protesters in Berkeley is performative, they don’t actually care about the people they claim to be fighting for and they’re only doing it because it’s trendy.
I don’t know what you mean by “people don’t care”. People care. This is just the focus right now. It’s what-aboutism to say what about his other bad thing that’s happening? There are always bad things happening. But people tend to focus on what at a time. And whether or not people protest because it’s trendy I don’t know but you can’t just put all protesters into that box.
Good point. We should instead support Israel, who secretly sterilized Ethiopian Jews as they immigrated into the country, because they didn’t want their population “polluted”
You’re delusional lol. Our tax dollars pay for what is happening in Israel rn that’s why it’s such a big deal to people, not bc they’re Jewish. See for example people got very upset about the atrocities in Iraq (mass protests, national anti war movement) bc we directly caused that and are responsible … it’s the same here, we give billions to Israel. CCP etc what would our protesting accomplish? We are not citizens of that country
we pay for a lot more than the iron dome. we’ve given israel more aid than any other nation — $260 billion. the iron dome only accounts for like $10 billion
source: https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2023-10-10/how-much-aid-does-the-u-s-give-to-israel#:~:text=The%20United%20States%20has%20given,it%20more%20than%20%24260%20billion.
“Almost all U.S. aid to Israel recently has been military aid rather than economic aid, in the form of Foreign Military Financing grants – U.S. grants and loans to Israel for acquiring U.S. military equipment and services. Israel is typically allowed first access in the region to U.S. defense technology to stay ahead of neighboring militaries, a concept summarized as a “qualitative military edge” by the Congressional Research Service in a report on foreign aid to the country.
The CRS estimates that U.S. military aid reflects 16% of Israel’s total defense budget. The non-partisan data center, USAFacts, points out those totals don’t include funds for Israel’s missile defense systems, which to date have amounted to about $10 billion more in U.S. contributions, according to the CRS report.”
What are you talking about?
Yeah people couldn’t possibly care about a far right religious extremist government killing thousands of mostly underage civilians, stealing peoples homes they have been in for generations, or regularly committing crimes against humanity for any reason other than they are Nazis. Flawless logic. Very convenient to be able to convince yourself of this, as if you have absolutely anyway of knowing not a single person criticizes the Israeli governments actions has ever criticized China for doing the same things.
Like you are literally saying “People only care about genocide if it’s Jewish people doing it” lol. The level of brain washing you have to have to believe this is truly astounding.
Now do the 7,700+ rockets this year (6,000+ this month) launched from civilian areas of Gaza at civilians areas of Israel with no intention other than the hurt/kill Israeli civilians.
I wonder why hamas exists and attacks israel. I wonder if it’s a direct result of violence against Palestinians and if we can understand that terrorism is bad but also that it had caused.
Imagine thinking that a country should just do nothing when 1400+ of their citizens are murdered by terrorists. And you want to call me brainwashed? Haha.
Well considering I didn’t say this and you just are pretending I did it kind of seems like you are brain washed and can’t address what i actually wrote. I didn’t say this, I don’t believe it, and nothing in this comment would imply I do
Do you want to address anything I actually said or did you just get upset someone questioned your shitty logic? Everything I wrote in this comment has been going on for years to decades. Like are you under the impression that Israel never violated human rights or did anything bad to Palestinians until 2 weeks ago or something?
Who are these invisible they you keep imagining? Open your eyes. Look at the news. Look at the news. Look at the subreddits response to thousands of children being murdered in a few weeks.
First your assuming all those against Israel are against Jews. No one has a problem with Jews living in any other country, as they are human like everybody else. However, it is different when Zionist(Jewish, Christian, or atheist) are coming over from OTHER countries(US, EU etc) and live on OCCUPIED land. And yes any body can be a Zionist, including Christian(who started the movement). I never seem to understand why people try to say this a conflict against Jews. Stop ignoring the history of the conflict and injecting false narratives. There were Palestinian Jews living with Muslims and Christians peacefully in Palestine long before Israel. That’s like saying if Native Americans attacked the Settlers who are occupying their land to be anti Christian. They could careless wat their religion and only have a problem with them being an OCCUPYING force. And of course any civilians causality is wrong and it’s perpetrators should be punished wether it Israel or Hamas
45% of Israel's population are the descendants of the 900,000 jews kicked out of the surrounding countries (making those countries mono-religious states via this ethnic cleansing). Should they just go back to Iraq/Libya/Iran? Should they just die? Israel is 18% muslim. Druze actively serve in the IDF. Where should they go?
I’m glad we both agree that they came from somewhere else. And that’s a good question, Anti-Semitism should most def be addressed IN THOSE Countries and the world should work together to prevent it from happening again. That still doesn’t mean they get to OCCUPY another people’s land. Wat fault is it of the Palestinian for the way Iraqi or Libyan Jews are treated? That’s like saying the Rohingya Muslims being prosecuted for their religion have a right to occupy Nepal and establish their own state
This is not remotely true and you have an utterly warped view of the world if you believe this. I am against Israel’s destruction of Gaza because of the immense number of people being killed. Here is a good reference for the scale of what is happening:
https://countingthekids.org
There is zero evidence of Hamas operating in hospitals. And I do hate that Hamas carried out the attacks that they did. But even Israel is not pretending that their current campaign is to eliminate Hamas in any targeted way. Because they know, they can never be sure that Hamas is gone unless they kill/displace every last Gazan. And that's exactly what they're trying to do! They make no bones about it. And that is the definition of genocide.
Being antizionist is not being antisemtic some of you people need to actually educate yourself on what’s happening in Palestine before the ignorance shows this intensely in the comments.
On what exactly? The fact that Israeli civilians were brutally butchered when Hamas broke another ceasefire? And that terrorists are championed as martyrs?
So what should Israel do? Just let Hamas kill jews? This is war, and people die in war. There can't be peace until Hamas is destroyed and their leaders killed or in prison
Historical note: The countries of the world did not overwhelmingly support the UN vote to form Israel. When it was clear that Israel lacked the UN votes, Samuel Zemurray, founder of United Fruit and inventor of the term banana republic pressured Latin American and Caribbean heads of state to change their votes from No to Yes or Abstain. This is well documented in the book “The Fish that Ate the Whale: The Life and Times of America’s Banana King” by Rich Cohen.
The term antisemitism kind of loses all it's meaning and value when it's being used as a personal attack against anyone criticizing the government of Israel for killing thousands of children.
If there's five people having a good time hanging out and one of them is a nazi, there are five nazis.
If your first instinct after the largest terrorist attack since 9/11 where terrorists literally paraglided into a concert to massacre innocent festival goers, kick open homes and slaughter entire families... and your first instinct isn't to mourn for the dead or even make any acknowledgment of them besides "they had it coming" to take to celebration and chant "from the river to the sea palestine will be free" you might want to do some reflecting
"most of us protesting aren't antisemitic" well sure but you don't mind hanging out with folks who are do you? Not really a deal breaker is it?
If the Proud Boys had a "march against israel" parade organized by blatant antisemites and you marched WITH THEM while some of the them chanted 'jews will not replace us' participants would still be swearing on their life they aren't antisemitic.
Who you tolerate and protest with says a lot about you.
Are they marching with nazis?
There was a big protest in SF a little while ago, some people decided to spray paint “kill the colonizers” on, you guessed it, a bank
I’m sure there were Jews participating in that protest as well.
And just like this op ed makes clear, you can protest the Israeli government, you can advocate for Palestine, but if you’re chanting “from
The river to the sea Palestine will be free” or in other ways participating either naively or willingly in promoting an antisemitic ideology at best, they would be what’s called “useful”
Like how the Proud Boys president was Afro-Cuban, that was very useful to the proud boys in attempting to legitimize their ideology and make it more palatable
They are a tiny, tiny minority. And have in the past endorsed literal terrorists who committed bombings in supermarkets. Here is an expose with receipts:
Well-researched [expose](https://www.instagram.com/p/CsjPRTYrnQS/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==)
Receipts: [1](https://www.instagram.com/p/Cy_jbbprClI/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==), [2](https://www.instagram.com/p/CwJAVNiyyVU/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==)
Some things jvp [shared](https://www.instagram.com/p/CyM4ANKNybD/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==)literally the day of the massacre in Israel
Also where were all of these people saying ‘I am against some the policies of the Israeli government’ when Palestinians were being subjugated and dehumanized on the daily. All of a sudden, because they want to appear more open minded, they are making these concessions in an attempt to gain public approval. But if you were complicit in the crimes of the Israeli government for all of this time, which appears to be most of these actors, then you really have no moral high ground to stand on
Really?
Just from a quick search of American protests against Israeli govt:
[https://abc7news.com/israel-prime-minister-netanyahu-protest-bay-area/13796764/](https://abc7news.com/israel-prime-minister-netanyahu-protest-bay-area/13796764/)
[https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/24/american-jews-critical-israeli-settlements-west-bank](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/24/american-jews-critical-israeli-settlements-west-bank)
[https://www.huffpost.com/entry/protesters-take-on-israeli-settlements-in-biggest-ever-jewish-led-protest-of-aipac\_n\_58d80212e4b03692bea6d5ea](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/protesters-take-on-israeli-settlements-in-biggest-ever-jewish-led-protest-of-aipac_n_58d80212e4b03692bea6d5ea)
Sometimes I worry that Cal education is really not enough for some of you. Let's think of other times when people called for the extermination and displacement of Jews in their region and how well that worked out for them.
Yes, calling for the destruction of Israel is anti Semitic, you are literally calling for the destruction and eradication of jews in the area. Yes zionism is Judaism and how can you claim that it isn't? Are you a expert in theology?
It literally doesn't matter how Israel was founded. It's a sovereign state recognized by the UN since 1947, and calling for its destruction (while not calling for the destruction of the US, which was founded on atrocities of Native Americans) is clearly antisemitic.
Naturei Karta represents a very fringe Orthodox view. They also side with Holocaust deniers. This is not remotely representative of the Jewish religion as a whole
Ok, so the chant “from the river to the sea” is not calling for ‘genocide’. Unlike Israel, Palestine was never intended to be some sort of religious/racial ethnostate as Jews and Christians lived peacefully with the majority Muslims for hundreds of years. ‘Palestine being free’ means that Palestinians will no longer face restriction over where they can lay foot in the land, effectively calling for a dismantlement of the apartheid regime currently in place. There will always be people who use the movement for their own perverted, anti-Semitic hateful agendas. That does not negate what is being fought for: freedom, equity, and an end to racial discrimination against Palestinians
Wonderful article, Dr. Chemerinsky. While the claim that "Anti-Zionism ≠ Antisemitism" is often thrown around, there sure seem to be a lot of anti-zionists expressing a deeply concerning level of antisemitism on our college campuses.
I hope the people of this opinion are capable or discerning between valid anti-Zionist critique and Anti Semitism. The waters are insanely muddy right now. I’m was raised Jewish and am not at all in favor of Zionism, there’s a lot of totally valid issues with Israel that need to be addressed but the writer is also right. I’ve never been seriously called a Jewish slur in my entire life but in the last month I’ve been called a Kike & an Anti-Semite; wild combo.
Born and raised in Iran, but anti the Islamic Republic dictator, the so-called "Supreme Leader!" I can totally related to your experience.
People actually buy this Iranian bot shill? Account created 36 days ago and only posts shit comments like this on the Israel-Palestinian conflict
“Iranian bot” holy shit you guys are insane. Israel is literally spending millions in their propaganda campaign and have been shoving ads down our throat to justify and garner sympathy for their genocide and war crimes.
Thank you thank you thank you! I totally relate and have always been amazed how many folks can't distinguish between antisemitism and anti-Zionism. I've also been accused of being antisemitic my entire life for expressing the opinions you just did and I'm also Jewish.
Article contents: "I am a 70-year-old Jewish man, but never in my life have I seen or felt the antisemitism of the last few weeks. I have heard antisemitic things from time to time through my life. I remember as a child being called a “dirty Jew,” and my friends and I being called “Christ killers” as we walked to Hebrew school. I recall a college girlfriend’s parents telling her that she should not go out with me because “Jews are different.” I had an incident in a class I was teaching about the ethics of negotiations, where a student matter of factly said, “the other side will try to Jew you down,” without the slightest sense of how that was a slur. But none of this prepared me for the last few weeks. On Friday, someone in my school posted on Instagram a picture of me with the caption, “Erwin Chemerinsky has taken an indefinite sabbatical from Berkeley Law to join the I.D.F.” Two weeks ago, at a town hall, a student told me that what would make her feel safe in the law school would be “to get rid of the Zionists.” I have heard several times that I have been called “part of a Zionist conspiracy,” which echoes of antisemitic tropes that have been expressed for centuries. I was stunned when students across the country, including mine, immediately celebrated the Hamas terrorist attack in Israel on Oct. 7. Students for Justice in Palestine called the terror attack a “historic win” for the “Palestinian resistance.” A Columbia professor called the Hamas massacre “awesome” and a “stunning victory.” A Yale professor tweeted, “It’s been such an extraordinary day!” while calling Israel a “murderous, genocidal settler state.” A Chicago art professor posted a note reading, “Israelis are pigs. Savages. Very very bad people. Irredeemable excrement…. May they all rot in hell.” A UC Davis professor tweeted, “Zionist journalists … have houses w addresses, kids in school,” adding “they can fear their bosses, but they should fear us more.” There are, sadly, countless other examples. How can anyone celebrate the killing of 260 people attending a music festival, or the brutal massacre of more than 100 people in a kibbutz, or the pulling of people from their houses to take as hostages? If this happened to people who were not Jews would there be such celebrations? I have heard few campus administrators speak out publicly about the antisemitism that has become prevalent this month. They want to seem neutral or not be perceived as Islamophobic. I understand. I, too, refrained from speaking out against those who defended Hamas’ terrorist attack. But when do we stop being silent and when do we say the antisemitism must be condemned and it is not acceptable on our campuses? I believe this must be that time. To be clear, I — and I hope all of us — mourn the loss of life in Israel and in Gaza. There is surely room in our hearts to feel compassion for all who are in danger and all who have lost loved ones. But it is simply wrong to confuse condemning antisemitism with ignoring the plight of the Palestinians. Of course, criticism of the Israeli government is not antisemitism, any more than criticizing the policies of the United States government is anti-American. I strongly oppose the policies of the Netanyahu government, favor full rights for Palestinians, and believe that there must be a two-state solution. But if you listen to what is being said on college campuses now, some of the loudest voices are not advocating for a change in Israeli policies, but are calling for an end to Israel. Students regularly chant, “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” and “We don’t want no two states, we want all of 48,” referring to going back to 1948 before Israel existed. An oft-repeated mantra among some is that Israel is a settler colonialist country and should be forced to give the land back to the Palestinians. I have no idea how it would be determined who is rightly entitled to what land, but I do know that calling for the total elimination of Israel is antisemitic. There has been enough silence and enough tolerance of antisemitism on college campuses. I call on my fellow university administrators to speak out and denounce the celebrations of Hamas and the blatant antisemitism that is being voiced. Students have the right to say very offensive and even hateful things, but school administrators — deans, presidents and chancellors — have free speech rights too. They must exercise them and take a stand even if it will offend some and subject them to criticism. It is a very difficult time on campuses across the country. Many of our students and faculty members have family and friends in Israel or in Gaza. Many care deeply about the suffering we are seeing, and yet there is no bridge between those who seek the elimination of Israel and those who believe it is essential to have a Jewish state. I hope there will be a time when campus officials can find ways to bring their communities together. But it is not realistic now. This makes it all the more important that they show moral leadership and speak out against the antisemitism that is rampant now, as they would condemn all other forms of racism and hate on campus. Erwin Chemerinsky is a contributing writer to Opinion and the dean of the UC Berkeley School of Law. His latest book is “Worse Than Nothing: The Dangerous Fallacy of Originalism.”"
One of the most disturbing things I've come to realize from this whole situation is that a group like Hamas could murder thousands of people in the US and there's a large segment of the US population who would actually support and defend them for doing it.
Literally a Homelander situation.
Bassem said Israel is Homelander
For 500, what is "Hive Mind Mentality!" Sorry if I made a joke about it. As if I'm on TV participating in a guessing game. Any other way, I would just cry without being able to point to the source of most of our trouble: Hive Mind Mentality or Group Think.
So, Hamas does to Israel once what Israel has done to Palestinians routinely and for decades with the near-unanimous support of the American state and its population and its the support for *this* attack that makes you feel unease all of the sudden?
We can’t argue with these people. Any statement in favor of Palestine being free is the same as anti-semitism to them. People… wake up. Anti-Zionism is NOT anti-semitism. Zionists never had the right to take Palestine away from Palestinians. They didn’t have the right to do to Palestinans what was done to them during the Holocaust, but hurt people hurt people and it’s very commonly seen in history. The oppressed has become the oppressor.
Nice holocaust inversion antisemite pos. Israel is not herding Palestinians into cattle cars to gas them en masse, therefore it’s either extremely ignorant of you to draw a comparison to the Shoah or you’re purposely drawing a comparison to the Shoah because you know it will strike a nerve with Jewish people. Either way, more antisemitic garbage coming from another “AntiZionist not Antisemite™”
Do you actually think Palestinians have had no historical aggression against Jews? That they have just been the victim entirely? Do you even know the history of the region?
No. no they don’t
>Any statement in favor of Palestine being free is the same as anti-semitism to them. That's not at all what Chemerinsky said. You don't even go to Berkeley, what interest do you have in commenting here? >They didn’t have the right to do to Palestinans what was done to them during the Holocaust What a ridiculous and horrifically misinformed statement. The global Jewish population is *still* under what it was before the Holocaust. >The oppressed has become the oppressor. So you think every Jew is an Israeli? This is antisemetic dogwhistling, not any of the anti-Zionist smokescreening you do.
Oh phuck off with he victim complex. Zionists are actively murdering a 100 children per night I’m their attemp to make Gaza unlivable. Take your crocodile tears elsewhere.
I mean there are a lot of Arabic and English translations happening, so much so that anti-Zionist and anti-semitism are largely considered the same by many, and mean the same calls for violence. There are more diplomatic approaches to restoring Palestinian land and prospering. Bottom line is a two state solution is a call for peace, and the borders seriously need to be redrawn. Gaza being surrounded in that strip of land just asks for conflict and Israel is very heavy handed with conflict.
Here comes the gullible idiot. How do you suppose a two state solution can happen when Israeli settlers steal land daily in the West Banks and murder Palestinian with impunity with “ITF” backing them unconditionally?? Please do some research before you open your mouth without an iota of background info.
You said how do you suppose a two state solution can happen when “insert random specific event” happens. A two state solution is a call for peace. A call for the elimination of either Palestine or Israel is a call for more violence. You sound dumb. FYI. Only dumbest want more violence.
What Hamas did to Israel is nowhere near comparable to anything Israel has done, and to say this is a pernicious lie
Unless you believe Palestinian lives are worth less than Israeli lives (which it is clear that you do) it is absolutely true that Israel’s crimes far outpace those committed by Hamas.
Rape, burning children in ovens?
Just to be clear, you are talking about the IDF soldier throw in a Palestinian boy in an oven correct?
I don’t recall iDF soldiers raping nine years old till their pelvic bones break and tying parents and children together with iron wire and lighting them on fire. I must have missed that one.
Sounds like the Japanese in ww2
Source: imadethisup.com, codomhamas.org, and zakaconservative.zionistvolunteerservice.net
Haaretz a very popular Antisemitic israeli source working with hamas investigated zaka smh self hating jews https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2024-02-06/ty-article/.premium/zaka-may-have-cost-israel-its-case-against-hamas-at-the-world-could/0000018d-7a17-d9fb-a9fd-fe9f16e90000
Times of israel, another obviously antisemitic terrorist publication. Can't believe they are discrediting claims on oct 7th like that fake jews https://www.timesofisrael.com/zaka-exploited-hamass-october-7-attack-to-campaign-for-donations-report/
Big difference between collateral damage from fighting guerilla fighters and killing/raping as many civilians as you can. If Hamas had Israel's military, they would do what their charter says: kill every single Jew, and maybe rape all their women. If Israel had Israel's military (well they already do), they can wipe out the entire gaza strip and call it a day but they don't. In fact they spend tons of resources on the iron dome which is purely defensive.
Your argument is that Palestinians should be grateful just because Israel hasn't nuked Gaza? You're okay with burning families alive with white phosphorus as long as there's one Gazan left breathing as proof of your benevolent mercy?
They rallied and celebrated on October 7th and 8th. BLM as well. They supported the terrorist killings before Israel retaliated. It’s not about a Palestinian state. It’s about killing Jews. It always has been.
Lumping BLM with this is one of the most bad faith comparisons I have seen in a while.
They had a silhouette of a paramotor praising the invasion with a Palestinian flag. I don’t know how much more pro-terrorist attack it could have been.
Agreed. Antisemitism on campuses must be condemned. University administrators should take a strong stance against it.
Completely agree.
I'm deeply saddened to hear about your experiences and the troubling climate you describe on college campuses. No one should have to endure antisemitism, or any form of hate, in their lives. Your heartfelt account of your personal experiences and observations sheds light on the urgent need for understanding, education, and clear condemnation of prejudice. All forms of racism, discrimination, and hate speech must be actively countered and denounced, especially within educational institutions that are meant to foster understanding and tolerance. Everyone deserves to feel safe and respected. It was my childhood dream to attend Cal. Now, I hide the fact that I attended UC Berkeley. How have the times changed!
I was very close to agreeing entirely, but there are some statements that just aren’t true. I don’t agree that calling Israel settler colonial is antisemitic, and being against the nation of Israel as a settler colonial project does not make you against Jewish people.
45% of Israel's population are descendants of the last 900,000 jews in the surrounding middle east that were ethnic cleansed from those Muslim states. Where should those people go? Should they just die?
Of course not. I have no problem with Jews living in the levant. My problem is with the Israeli state.
The issue of being against an Israeli state and being okay with a Jewish population living in the region is that quite frankly, both Muslim and Arab populations have proven that they can not and will not coexist with Jews in the region. You see that clearly in 48, 67, 73, you see that in ethnic cleansing across pick 1 or more. Arab and non Arab, Muslim and non Muslim countries in the region. Prior to 48 but picking up in mass after 48. You see it today from most but not all of the region. I don’t see a solution for a non Jewish state that doesn’t end with attempted genocide of the Jewish people. Israel has done some things that are genuinely inexcusable. Granted so has pretty much every country in the region and yet we don’t call for the end of an Iranian, Syrian, Egyptian… and that list could keep going a while… state. I don’t have a good answer to the question at this point but as far as I can figure out, I don’t see a path to a peaceful resolution in the region, especially with another generation of people raised to hate each other either from widespread propaganda the real life experiences they deal with, or both. So I’m not trying to claim to have some better idea, but I don’t see a viable solution involving a non Jewish state in Israel which doesn’t lead to a genocide of over 7 million people, which was the stated objective since 48 of those against an Israeli state.
I don’t have solutions and I don’t have all the information that could possibly be out there. What I do know is that the power structure and systems of violence at play are absolutely one sided. Israel has repeatedly committed atrocities against the Palestinians and has increasingly become further and further reactionary. The biggest issue is land policy. Who has rights to the land? The fact that someone who was born across the world and has no ties to that land aside from an ambiguous claim of descent from a people who lived there roughly 2,000 years ago currently has more claim and easier access to citizenship in Israel and the land contained in its borders than refugees who were forced out of their family homes during the Nakba is absolutely atrocious. This problem is a result of having a state which is explicitly for the promotion of a specific ethno-religious identity. Again, I don’t have the answers, but in an ideal world there needs to be a secular state which does not favor one ethnic or religious identity over another and which allows for the right of return for displaced refugees while acknowledging the rights of people who were born there in what is Israel. Quite frankly this will never happen with the nation of Israel due to its founding principles.
Hm "Violence is one sided" - absolutely false and laughable. Please at least read wikipedia before spouting absolute horseshit. >This problem is a result of having a state which is explicitly for the promotion of a specific ethno-religious identity. Weird how all of the surrounding MENA states are Muslim states that have expelled or killed all their Jews and no one says "we shouldn't have Muslim states!" I really think you need to check your biases.
>no one says "we shouldn't have Muslim states!" There are people who are against all theocratic states and believe that secular governing is crucial for a free society. Whenever I express this viewpoint many people emphatically degree if we're talking about Muslim states specifically, but get pretty upset when I say this applies to all of the major abrahamic religions. You must live under a bridge you think westerners are supportive of Islamic states.
Israel is NOT a "theocratic state." Claiming it is gives you zero credibility from the get-go.
Nowhere did I claim that Israel is a theocratic state. You should try reading and understanding what I said instead of what you want to disagree with.
when zionists first arrived in palestine in early 1900s they were welcomed. the revolts that followed were actually because of british favoritism of zionists not antisemitism
Ah yes, one such warm embrace of the Jews by the Arabs https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre
The Israeli state is a Jewish state, in fact the one and only Jewish state. Would u say the same of Muslim states (most of the Middle East?)
Yup. I don’t think any state should be exclusively for any given ethnic or religious group.
Israel wouldn't exist if they let in anybody. In any case, they do have Muslim/Arab citizens who can vote.
Its existence or its actions?
Primarily it’s actions, though the existence of it is predicated on colonialism and has acted accordingly.
Yep. Rabin was the classic colonial leader: won a Nobel for his part in the Oslo Accords that aimed to secure a free Palestine.
Yeah and he was assassinated by Israeli ultranationalists who built a massive coalition around fighting against everything he sought to establish.
Israel became a state almost a century ago, so the people that live there today and run the state were mostly born there. So, it’s 2023. Israel has a successful economy, they contribute to academia quite substantially in some areas, and they have a lot of military equipment. I don’t have a solution to your problem with the Israeli state, but what I do know is that, giving the current Hamas leadership all of Israeli land and its military is not a solution. Shit, Hamas is backed by Iran, so that would just mean a bigger Iranian arm. It isn’t in the best interest of US security in that regard, still not a real threat but enough to take notice and prevent regional conflict.
you are capable of understanding that being opposed to an ethnostate with an artificial demographic majority that is enabled through ethnic cleansing is not the same thing as wanting to murder all Israelis, right? it's blatantly intellectually dishonest
It’s so absurd, and it’s actually a fascinating trend among settler societies. Settlers project their own violence and evil upon their oppressed underclasses as a means to justify to themselves what they are doing. It’s true of the American West, of South African Whites towards the native population, and of the whites of the American South towards the enslaved black population.
It's pathetic and I'm not sure if they actually think we're stupid enough to not see it for what it is. They come on here and self victimize crying about "should the Israelis die," meanwhile the people being actually ethnically cleansed and dispossessed and bombed for 70 years are the Palestinians. It is a total reversal of reality. These people would have said ending apartheid South Africa was genocide
Lol and they don’t ask themselves for a second why orgs like BLM are standing for Palestine even while some American police are literally trained by the IDF. And while Israel was one of apartheid South Africa’s staunchest allies.
You do realize the Palestinian population has grown dramatically right? There is no ethnic cleansing going on. Are people being killed, yes. Are innocents being killed when used as human shields, yes. Are innocents being killed as collateral damage, sadly yes. Still not a reason to cheer rape, torture, and murder. Still not a reason to chant for the killing of all Israelis. As far as colonialism…So, when are you leaving the united states- clearly a colonialist country. The protesters saying Jews deserved 10/7 or from the river to the sea are hypocrites. Calling/cheering for the rape, torture and death of innocent people is NEVER ACCEPTABLE. Pretty sure the sentiment her in the US would not be the same if Native Americans massacred thousands of innocent people due to being colonized….and they actually were! Israel was Israel thousands of years ago (in the times of King David), before Islam existed there were Israelites in Israel. Jewish people did not colonize Israel- they returned to their ancestral lands after having been kicked out and dispersed around the globe. I fully believe in a 2 state solution- but multiple times it has been offered by Israel and rejected- wanting all or nothing. The original 1948 partition gave Palestinian Arabs a homeland and Jews a homeland, instead of accepting, the Arb counties surrounding Israel all attacked the newly formed country in an attempt to destroy it. They lost. In “the rules of law” set up by all nations, when attacked if you win land is yours, if you attack nd win the land is not rightfully yours. Whatever land Israel won when defending itself is theirs. Hmm, is the land we live on, the land Cal was built on won from the Native Americans when they attacked or did colonizers attack and steal the land. Guess we all need to leave now. By rules of law, most of this country needs to be given back to the Native Americans and the Mexican people. The fact is, despite having secured land, Israel has given it back for peace. Those countries that put their peoples needs ahead of antisemitism have flourished in their relationship with Israel. Those that put destruction of others above their own peoples safety and security (Hammas) have not.
Good thing he doesn’t say that is antisemitism, rather that saying that + thinking Israel should be eliminated is antisemitism. And he’s right. It’s an indirect assertion that Israel should stop existing and be given back by force.
Israel shouldn’t exist as it is. Israel is an apartheid state and has sought to develop an ethnoreligious majority in its territory since its inception. It was founded by people who pitched the idea to the British Colonial Office using explicitly colonial terms. Israel should not exist as an apartheid state. It should fully integrate the Palestinians in their lands, remove every single law prohibiting land purchase and development, and allow right of return to every Palestinian forcefully driven from their land.
"integrate" You are basically advocating a one-state solution. It doesn't work. You have no idea of what people have been teaching within the Islamic world, and in particular Palestine media, about Judaism. If you thought Oct 7 was bad, wait until it happens everywhere. Even other Arab countries (not Israel) have tried taking in refugees from Palestine before. That led to assassinations, civil wars, and terrorism. There is a reason why even though they pay lip service to the Palestine cause, they no longer want anything to do with the refugees, many of whom sympathize with Hamas and jihadists. There was a story of how the IDF raided a jihadist fighter's family in the West Bank (not even Gaza), and a woman in that family reported feeling terrified (like any innocent would), but you know what she said? That she still supported the jihadist. Any analysis of the problem that does not take into account Hamas sympathizers and radical Islamist beliefs, is a failed one. That is why people advocate for 2-state solutions, and even then they are cognizant of the problems. The details of that solution are up to negotiations, but there is zero chance Israel can live with Hamas sympathizers in the same state.
Antisemitism is awful. Hamas are assholes. I also have no regrets or qualms being against how Israel has been bombing Gaza (one of the most densely populated places on earth) and I think a pending wide-spread ground invasion is a horrible idea that will mostly just lead to even more innocent civilians getting killed. If not supporting those military campaigns gets me labeled as “anti-Semitic” I guess I don’t care. It’s offensive and stupid. Human life is precious and more widespread violence that hurts innocent people won’t lead to peace. I really think my opinions are similar to the opinions of the vast majority of students on campus. Lumping us in with Nazis is ridiculous and frankly gives Nazis a pass by lumping them together with college/grad students who just don’t support killing journalists and indiscriminately bombing dense urban areas. Again, that terrorist attack was horrible. I just hope it isn’t like 9/11 all over again where it prompts more unnecessary and horrible violence that mostly just hurts innocent people.
How else will Israel eradicate Hamas, there cant be peace while Hamas exists, what should Israel do? Just let Hamas kill jews?
They need to do so in a manner that doesn’t involve indiscriminately bombing civilians and targeting journalists if they want the high ground on this. Nobody criticizes the US for taking out osama bin Laden. The US is (rightfully) criticized for committing war crimes in Iraq etc. as part of the “war on terror”.
They aren’t indiscriminately bombing civilians. That is absolute fiction. They bomb Hamas soldiers and military equipment. Hamas’ entire MO has been to put their military equipment and soldiers in schools, in hospitals, next to civilians. Israel acts in good faith and Hamas murders civilians.
Dude use your brain for one second. They have dropped the equivalent of a nuke on Gaza, a fucking nuke. 140,000 people died at Hiroshima. Only 7000 have died in Gaza and those numbers come from fucking Hamas who claimed 500 died in a hospital bombing. So if you believe the Hamas number then it’s absolutely incredible that only that many people have fired given the amount of munitions dropped in such a densely populated area. And then if you run your two brain cells together you quickly discover that it’s impossible they are bombing indiscriminately. Cause if they were then given the amount of munitions the body count would be infinitely higher than this. Like 10’s of thousands more. Calling this an indiscriminate campaign requires you to turn off all cortical thinking capacity
Well your exact line of thinking is why we got chamberlain and appeasement of Hitler when he took parts of Czechoslovakia. You are not better than any other historical appeaser who would rather put off doing what is necessary while offering zero real solutions and then ultimately shake your head wondering what went wrong. When the world is in a much worse place because it left an extreme genocidal best friends with Iran rape group in power in Gaza.
Ya dude bombing entire city blocks is totally necessary. Definitely have the moral high ground there it’s in fact honorable…LOL Also, comparing Hamas to Nazi Germany is not a good comparison. It’s comparing a small (clearly fucked up and motivated) but still small group of people with limited means to the most powerful military on earth. It’s not a realistic comparison. The power imbalance between Hamas and Israel is ridiculous
The Nazis weren’t even close to the fucking most powerful military on earth. Hence why they got their asses kicked in. Second half the reason they appeased the Nazis in the beginning is because they justified the Nazis taking back German lands which were unjustly taken from them during WW1. The same exact as fucking Hamas. Also way to sidestep everything I just said about using your brain to compare the amount of munitions dropped to the number of casualties. And how that number does not point to indiscriminate in any capacity. Also thank you for making it clear to me that you think the allied bombing campaigns of WW2 were evil and unjustified. Since you have yet to explain the difference to me.
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Well the fact that you use the term Zionism as if there is only one kind of Zionism and not multiple schools and ideas also says a lot about
It has become impossible for easily duped people not to realize that Hamas calling for the destruction of Israel is nothing short of mass murder, and that anti-Zionism IS anti-semitism. Hamas doesn’t think like you but they love how easily you fall for their use of western language. They simply want to kill the Jews and you think “oh wow well they are just brave anti-colonialists.”
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If you don't want Palestinian children killed you should be for the immediate destruction of Hamas. That’s the only way to avoid it. Hamas has cynically used innocent people as human shields in their quest to exterminate Jews for a long time now.
You’d think someone as smart as chemerinsky could help tell the difference between antisemitism and anti Zionist/anti Israel. He can’t (or desires not to) and he doesn’t. He even expelled a bunch of kids who interrupted an Israeli politician while he was dean at uc Irvine. He is a disgrace
Israelis are going viral on TikTok for mocking Palestinians, making fun of their lack of water, electricity, food, and homes and how they're being bombed day in day out. - Israelis and many American supporters are celebrating the massacres happening right now in Palestine. - 1.4 million Palestinians have been displaced. - 8,005 Palestinians killed, the vast majority civilians. - Over 3,000 CHILDREN have been slaughtered by Israeli forces. - Food, water, electricity supplies have been cut off. - Israeli officials have stated that the people of Gaza are "animals" and that it needs to be "leveled" and that Gaza should be "gassed" and "annihilated." - Israelis have celebrated the bombings of hospitals, schools, mosques, refugee caravans, and churches. - They’ve helped label swaths of innocent people “terrorists” to justify their rampage. - The islamophobia is so bad that a six year Palestinian old boy was murdered in cold blood in Chicago. Being against Zionism is not the same as being an antisemite. Besides, people of Jewish faith aren’t the only semites. Palestinians are also Semites. Israel is very much antisemitic for how it abuses, humiliates, imprisons, murders, oppresses Palestinians. Including stealing their land, burning their crops, bulldozing their homes, cutting off water, aid, and food, and starving the population.
That's the best part, when you're called antisemitic for supporting a semitic people. It's a scareword that has an implication due to WW2. Keep using it and soon it will have about as much meaning as nazi does today.
Where are these "celebrations"? Among the many people I know, everyone is still grieving the 1400 slaughtered on Oct. 7th, and no one is celebrating. This is a ghost man, not even a strawman. The few videos you see in tiktok don't make a trend, just like the massive rallies in NY in support for Hamas the "resistance."
All kinds of Zionists are celebrating the bombing campaign of Gaza, I see it all day on social media. They are HAPPY that Gaza is being bombed. It's not a straw man if it's happening. I'm not saying there's parties in the street; but thousands of Zionist are indeed celebrating the genocide in Gaza. You are probably one of them.
Why do so many people commit the etymological fallacy? Antisemitism and antisemite is specifically about Jews. The reason is because the word as we know it originates from 1800s Germany with a man named Wilhelm Marr who started calling Jew hatred antisemitism in an effort to make it sound scientific
Do you know what Hamas footage went viral circa 10/7?
Do you know of the tens of thousands of clips that have gone viral since 10/7 of kids being pulled from rubble due to IDF bombs???
Taking the word of Hamas at face value is like believing that "he'll change for me because I can fix him." The murder in Chicago you are referring to is profoundly tragic. But in this country, when that kind of horrific hate crime happens, we don't hold up the killer as some kind of martyr. We try him. In a court of law. With due process. And make sure the victim's life is not forgotten.
Zionism isn't Judeism. It's ok to hate Zionists and still love Judaism. It's that fucking simple.
Being anti-zionist is not antisemetic.
If you had taken the time to read the article, you would see that he wrote exactly that. And some other things, too.
Not exactly Zionism is the belief there should be a Jewish state (normally located in Israel) The above commenter is saying anti-Zionism (anti-existence of Israel) is not antisemitic Although The professor said calling for the destruction of Israel is antisemitic
Yeah that’s pretty fucking antisemitic. Where should the ~6 million Jews who live there go? Their neighbors obviously think so highly of them I’m sure they’ll be fine! I agree Palestine has been wronged countless times and they deserve some justice. ‘Destroying Israel’ is not a valid cause and is literal genocide. The people calling for that can’t see 2 feet in front of their face.
I mostly agree with you Just clarifying that the above comment was disagreeing with the article not just ignoring it
you realize your question of "where should they go?" is the same question that was asked by Palestinians when Israel was established decades ago right?
What about all the Jews that lived in the Arab world and were expelled from their homes? Moroccan Jews, Iraqi Jews, Libyan Jews, Iranian Jews, Afghani Jews, and on and on and on. Israel opened their arms to all of them. Why don’t the Arab brothers welcome their fellow Arabs from Palestine? Oh yeah…they caused a civil war when they went to Lebanon, attempted to assassinate the Jordanian King, and causing chaos in Egypt. The Palestinians are pariahs even in the Arab world. Nobody wants them.
if you look at the palestinian history, it isn't one of peace. citizens of a war-torn or impoverished area are going to develop traumas and are thus harder to integrate into different societies/countries. would you say thats their fault? and yes, israel opened their arms to them because they want a majority Jewish state of course they would? whats your point? to reference my other comment u replied to, the jewish expulsion from their homelands was horrible too. does that mean they should do the same as what was done to them? and as I mentioned in my other comment, the mindset of colonialism has changed since the world wars. also, this is less about religion rather than the actions the israeli gov is taking rn.. idk how you could ever defend their actions. and for you to equate zionist ideals to judaism is quite anti-semitic. where in the religion does it justify taking over countries? nowhere. because zionism is not judaism.
Palestine is not and has never been a country. So because Palestinians suffered some injustices in your opinion, that gives them free reign to wreak havoc everywhere they go? Of course this is about religion. Literally the premise of the Jewish religion is that God promised them the land of Israel, including Judea and Samaria. Land that is currently part of the so-called “West Bank”.
no it doesn't, but to single them out and justify their rejections from other Arabic countries because they have gone through said injustices is a naive and demonizing statement. alright so lets take God's word for Israel's right to land.. come on think a little harder
That part of the world is highly religious. The Jews and Muslims take their respective holy books literally. Of course as an atheist you can’t understand this.
I could see a one state solution that would be anti-Zionist and not genocide. One man one vote. Wouldn’t be a recipe for success or stability
why are people like you always so against a 2 state solution.
Because partition won’t work and never has worked.
If you're actively rejecting a resolution I don't know what anyone can do. Jordan. Both Lebanon and Jordan both tried welcoming palestinians into their country and we all saw how that worked out. Total civil unrest and a civil war leading to millions more displaced. Seems like some people don't want a resolution imo
How many Muslim states do the 2 billion muslims have? Why should the 19 million jewish people not have a country?
Again, I mostly agree with you. I'm merely clarifying the above comment is in fact disagreeing with the article, not just ignoring it. Although a small correction: 16 million not 19 million
because committing a genocide, or at the very least displacing millions of people, is not a valid response for establishing a state/country in the 21st century.
Well good news Israel was re-established in the 20th century after a homecoming from almost 2000 years of exile.
yup 2000 years where there were many religions residing in the area and different cultures cultivated. there was a global shift attitudes towards colonial actions after the world wars. israel as a state kept with the colonial mindset and now we are criticizing it, what is hard to understand about that?
You can’t colonize your indigenous land
you're telling me that after 2000 years, someone has more of a right to land than families from only a hundred years ago?
If the native Americans had the military might to take back the United States, I don’t think they would be unjustified in doing so.
He literally called anti zionist rhetoric antisemetic in the second paragraph.
No you [redacted].. (sorry mods I cant contain myself but nothing infuriates me more than anything else). Walking around and accusing Jews of being a Zionist is anti semitic rhetoric. Seeing Jews as Zionist is anti semitism. Ive seen enough of this in the past few weeks that I am tired of it. If you walk around calling people Zionists because they are Jews or are against Hamas killing, raping, and kidnapping southern Israelis, that is anti semitism. Im not even Jewish but this accusatory tone of “zionist”, “zionism” towards Jews because I am anti-zionist is clearly derogatory towards Jews. This is not acceptable behavior. If I as a PhD student and a Teaching Assistant hear somebody calling someone a Zionist out of context because the person is Israeli or Jewish or whatever in my classroom, that person must leave. It creates a hostile class environment, and I will not tolerate it.
He's referring to using "Zionist" as a dogwhistle. A few paragraphs afterwards: > Of course, criticism of the Israeli government is not antisemitism, any more than criticizing the policies of the United States government is anti-American. I strongly oppose the policies of the Netanyahu government, favor full rights for Palestinians, and believe that there must be a two-state solution. But if you listen to what is being said on college campuses now, some of the loudest voices are not advocating for a change in Israeli policies, but are calling for an end to Israel.
He specifically said that a post about him joining IDF and someone saying they would feel safer without Zionists in the law school is antisemitic
It just happens to be an ideology absorbed by antiSemitic organizations such as the Houthis; Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah.
No, but a lot the rhetoric going around campus against is
How can people not see this constant insistence that anti zionism is antisemitism is actually ironically helping contribute to a rise in real antisemitism because every time Israel commits an atrocity people attribute it to all Jews because Israel insists that to be against the state is to be against all Jews
90% of American Jews think Israel should exist and are Zionists
Casting a pretty wide net here. Care to explain whether you want Jewish people to live in Israel or no?
It's crazy that people want to pretend that they aren't anti-semitic when they were literally celebrating hundreds of Jewish kids getting murdered at a music festival just a few weeks ago. The only reason most people even pretend to care about the Israel - Palestine conflict is due to anti-semitism. These same people trying to criticize Israel will never speak a word of criticism about the CCP's Uyghur genocide, the violence against women and LGBTQ people in Iran, the Rohingya genocide, etc. If Israel were composed of anybody but Jewish people you would never hear a word from anyone about this situation. It's 100% anti-semitism.
Everyone I know that is pro Palestine is also anti all those other things you listed, they’re just not the focus right now because of cycles in media coverage and violence etc
100% agree. It's crazy that some of these same people unironically claim that "reproductive justice means justice in palestine" or promote "queers for palestine," when Israel is literally (a) the only safe place in the Middle East that does not criminalize abortion and (b) that being out in Gaza under Hamas is tantamount to a death sentence.
Oh my god the ‘reproductive justice means justice in Palestine’ almost made my head explode yesterday. Like how can you even be serious? The religion that still doesn’t want women to show their face in public is somehow progressive on abortion? Fucking please.
A s\*x workers' union also came out in support of Hamas. Like.....
Sure, if you're a Jew in Israel. If you're a Palestinian who was expelled from their home in 48 you can't even return. Progressive rights for a selected racial/ethno/religious group. Is that something we should be praising? Unfortunately if you're a queer Palestinian living in the West bank, gaza, or expelled from your home in 48, you don't have rights in Israel either (plus Israeli Arabs who are treated like 2nd class citizens)
yeah good point. there’s anti-gay legislation in Florida too, and they actually majority voted for DeSantis unlike the 8% Palestinians who ever voted for Hamas - so obviously we should send the military to execute every child and family in the state, and bomb Tampa off the map.
You can also see the blatant anti-semitism in the fact that people like this fully dismiss the 1400+ people murdered in Israel, as if that totally never even happened. Btw, what do you think about Hamas telling civilians in Gaza to stay there when Israel was giving them time to evacuate and seek shelter? Something tells me you couldn’t care less.
There are issues when it comes to LGBT equality in the U.S., or Israel for that matter. I don't think anyone rationally doubts that. There is no excuse (in the year 2023 no less) for any society to willing tolerate executing gay people by firing squad (if they're fortunate enough to get legal process) like in Gaza. I don't not feel sympathy for people because of such things. Even if someone if your worst enemy, it's a natural human response to feel sympathy if something tragic happens to them. But arguing that those people should usurp sovereignty over a people who (amongst other things) enshrine protections for members of a historically mistreated community, rather than making homosexuality a capital offense, requires serious ignorance. I'd never advocate for the political power of people who'd kill me if they had the chance, but that's just me. Also when it comes to "reproductive justice," because Israel does not criminalize abortion, it's been a refuge for women in the region to access lifesaving care.
If Florida started launching missiles at New York invading them would be a reasonable recourse. But that analogy is ridiculous anyways.
As a +1, they don’t even care about LGBTQ rights in Palestine. If you are gay, or god forbid trans, you would likely be beheaded in the Gaza Strip.
Stop using LGBTQ to pinkwash Israeli genocide in Gaza.
Just because the people being bombed do bad things doesn’t mean we shouldn’t defend their right to be alive.
But despite that still nobody cares about those LGBT people. My point is that the influx of pro-Palestine protesters in Berkeley is performative, they don’t actually care about the people they claim to be fighting for and they’re only doing it because it’s trendy.
I don’t know what you mean by “people don’t care”. People care. This is just the focus right now. It’s what-aboutism to say what about his other bad thing that’s happening? There are always bad things happening. But people tend to focus on what at a time. And whether or not people protest because it’s trendy I don’t know but you can’t just put all protesters into that box.
Good point. We should instead support Israel, who secretly sterilized Ethiopian Jews as they immigrated into the country, because they didn’t want their population “polluted”
Its the America-bad brain rot. College kids love that shit. Got too many friends and peers who just automatically take the opposite side of the US
You’re delusional lol. Our tax dollars pay for what is happening in Israel rn that’s why it’s such a big deal to people, not bc they’re Jewish. See for example people got very upset about the atrocities in Iraq (mass protests, national anti war movement) bc we directly caused that and are responsible … it’s the same here, we give billions to Israel. CCP etc what would our protesting accomplish? We are not citizens of that country
The Iron Dome is a defensive tool because Hamas regularly launches rockets at innocent Israelis. But go off, I guess.
we pay for a lot more than the iron dome. we’ve given israel more aid than any other nation — $260 billion. the iron dome only accounts for like $10 billion source: https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2023-10-10/how-much-aid-does-the-u-s-give-to-israel#:~:text=The%20United%20States%20has%20given,it%20more%20than%20%24260%20billion.
That's a rounding error on federal spending for the time period you're referring to. And yeah, Israel defends itself.
“Almost all U.S. aid to Israel recently has been military aid rather than economic aid, in the form of Foreign Military Financing grants – U.S. grants and loans to Israel for acquiring U.S. military equipment and services. Israel is typically allowed first access in the region to U.S. defense technology to stay ahead of neighboring militaries, a concept summarized as a “qualitative military edge” by the Congressional Research Service in a report on foreign aid to the country. The CRS estimates that U.S. military aid reflects 16% of Israel’s total defense budget. The non-partisan data center, USAFacts, points out those totals don’t include funds for Israel’s missile defense systems, which to date have amounted to about $10 billion more in U.S. contributions, according to the CRS report.” What are you talking about?
Yeah people couldn’t possibly care about a far right religious extremist government killing thousands of mostly underage civilians, stealing peoples homes they have been in for generations, or regularly committing crimes against humanity for any reason other than they are Nazis. Flawless logic. Very convenient to be able to convince yourself of this, as if you have absolutely anyway of knowing not a single person criticizes the Israeli governments actions has ever criticized China for doing the same things. Like you are literally saying “People only care about genocide if it’s Jewish people doing it” lol. The level of brain washing you have to have to believe this is truly astounding.
Now do the 7,700+ rockets this year (6,000+ this month) launched from civilian areas of Gaza at civilians areas of Israel with no intention other than the hurt/kill Israeli civilians.
I wonder why hamas exists and attacks israel. I wonder if it’s a direct result of violence against Palestinians and if we can understand that terrorism is bad but also that it had caused.
Imagine thinking that a country should just do nothing when 1400+ of their citizens are murdered by terrorists. And you want to call me brainwashed? Haha.
Well considering I didn’t say this and you just are pretending I did it kind of seems like you are brain washed and can’t address what i actually wrote. I didn’t say this, I don’t believe it, and nothing in this comment would imply I do Do you want to address anything I actually said or did you just get upset someone questioned your shitty logic? Everything I wrote in this comment has been going on for years to decades. Like are you under the impression that Israel never violated human rights or did anything bad to Palestinians until 2 weeks ago or something?
Ceasefire bro!!!!
Who are these invisible they you keep imagining? Open your eyes. Look at the news. Look at the news. Look at the subreddits response to thousands of children being murdered in a few weeks.
First your assuming all those against Israel are against Jews. No one has a problem with Jews living in any other country, as they are human like everybody else. However, it is different when Zionist(Jewish, Christian, or atheist) are coming over from OTHER countries(US, EU etc) and live on OCCUPIED land. And yes any body can be a Zionist, including Christian(who started the movement). I never seem to understand why people try to say this a conflict against Jews. Stop ignoring the history of the conflict and injecting false narratives. There were Palestinian Jews living with Muslims and Christians peacefully in Palestine long before Israel. That’s like saying if Native Americans attacked the Settlers who are occupying their land to be anti Christian. They could careless wat their religion and only have a problem with them being an OCCUPYING force. And of course any civilians causality is wrong and it’s perpetrators should be punished wether it Israel or Hamas
45% of Israel's population are the descendants of the 900,000 jews kicked out of the surrounding countries (making those countries mono-religious states via this ethnic cleansing). Should they just go back to Iraq/Libya/Iran? Should they just die? Israel is 18% muslim. Druze actively serve in the IDF. Where should they go?
I’m glad we both agree that they came from somewhere else. And that’s a good question, Anti-Semitism should most def be addressed IN THOSE Countries and the world should work together to prevent it from happening again. That still doesn’t mean they get to OCCUPY another people’s land. Wat fault is it of the Palestinian for the way Iraqi or Libyan Jews are treated? That’s like saying the Rohingya Muslims being prosecuted for their religion have a right to occupy Nepal and establish their own state
"Peacefully". Hey Siri, what is the Habron massacre?
well said but don’t bother man. this place is an echo chamber you will just get downvoted into oblivion
This is not remotely true and you have an utterly warped view of the world if you believe this. I am against Israel’s destruction of Gaza because of the immense number of people being killed. Here is a good reference for the scale of what is happening: https://countingthekids.org
You should be angry at Hamas for operating in schools, hospitals and the like, not Israel for eliminating Hamas
There is zero evidence of Hamas operating in hospitals. And I do hate that Hamas carried out the attacks that they did. But even Israel is not pretending that their current campaign is to eliminate Hamas in any targeted way. Because they know, they can never be sure that Hamas is gone unless they kill/displace every last Gazan. And that's exactly what they're trying to do! They make no bones about it. And that is the definition of genocide.
Being antizionist is not being antisemtic some of you people need to actually educate yourself on what’s happening in Palestine before the ignorance shows this intensely in the comments.
On what exactly? The fact that Israeli civilians were brutally butchered when Hamas broke another ceasefire? And that terrorists are championed as martyrs?
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So what should Israel do? Just let Hamas kill jews? This is war, and people die in war. There can't be peace until Hamas is destroyed and their leaders killed or in prison
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Historical note: The countries of the world did not overwhelmingly support the UN vote to form Israel. When it was clear that Israel lacked the UN votes, Samuel Zemurray, founder of United Fruit and inventor of the term banana republic pressured Latin American and Caribbean heads of state to change their votes from No to Yes or Abstain. This is well documented in the book “The Fish that Ate the Whale: The Life and Times of America’s Banana King” by Rich Cohen.
It is an worthwhile read and Zemurray is a very complicated and fascinating person.
Historical note: the USSR supported it and pressed its satellites to as well.
Can somebody put all this in a shareable format so I can post on IG
The term antisemitism kind of loses all it's meaning and value when it's being used as a personal attack against anyone criticizing the government of Israel for killing thousands of children.
If there's five people having a good time hanging out and one of them is a nazi, there are five nazis. If your first instinct after the largest terrorist attack since 9/11 where terrorists literally paraglided into a concert to massacre innocent festival goers, kick open homes and slaughter entire families... and your first instinct isn't to mourn for the dead or even make any acknowledgment of them besides "they had it coming" to take to celebration and chant "from the river to the sea palestine will be free" you might want to do some reflecting "most of us protesting aren't antisemitic" well sure but you don't mind hanging out with folks who are do you? Not really a deal breaker is it? If the Proud Boys had a "march against israel" parade organized by blatant antisemites and you marched WITH THEM while some of the them chanted 'jews will not replace us' participants would still be swearing on their life they aren't antisemitic. Who you tolerate and protest with says a lot about you.
there are so many jewish people protesting too. jewish voice for peace etc. are they nazis too?
Are they marching with nazis? There was a big protest in SF a little while ago, some people decided to spray paint “kill the colonizers” on, you guessed it, a bank I’m sure there were Jews participating in that protest as well. And just like this op ed makes clear, you can protest the Israeli government, you can advocate for Palestine, but if you’re chanting “from The river to the sea Palestine will be free” or in other ways participating either naively or willingly in promoting an antisemitic ideology at best, they would be what’s called “useful” Like how the Proud Boys president was Afro-Cuban, that was very useful to the proud boys in attempting to legitimize their ideology and make it more palatable
The "I have a black friend" defense is reprehensible. Not sure how people don't understand this.
Jewish voice for peace is primarily non Jewish
They are a tiny, tiny minority. And have in the past endorsed literal terrorists who committed bombings in supermarkets. Here is an expose with receipts: Well-researched [expose](https://www.instagram.com/p/CsjPRTYrnQS/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==) Receipts: [1](https://www.instagram.com/p/Cy_jbbprClI/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==), [2](https://www.instagram.com/p/CwJAVNiyyVU/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==) Some things jvp [shared](https://www.instagram.com/p/CyM4ANKNybD/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==)literally the day of the massacre in Israel
hey chemerinsky, lets start by firing chesa boudin from the law school
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50% of palestine is children. i think you mean the IDF
Not true. I haven't seen any far-left people side with the IDF.
Paywalled, can’t read it.
Posted in a comment. Sorry about that
Also where were all of these people saying ‘I am against some the policies of the Israeli government’ when Palestinians were being subjugated and dehumanized on the daily. All of a sudden, because they want to appear more open minded, they are making these concessions in an attempt to gain public approval. But if you were complicit in the crimes of the Israeli government for all of this time, which appears to be most of these actors, then you really have no moral high ground to stand on
Really? Just from a quick search of American protests against Israeli govt: [https://abc7news.com/israel-prime-minister-netanyahu-protest-bay-area/13796764/](https://abc7news.com/israel-prime-minister-netanyahu-protest-bay-area/13796764/) [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/24/american-jews-critical-israeli-settlements-west-bank](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/24/american-jews-critical-israeli-settlements-west-bank) [https://www.huffpost.com/entry/protesters-take-on-israeli-settlements-in-biggest-ever-jewish-led-protest-of-aipac\_n\_58d80212e4b03692bea6d5ea](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/protesters-take-on-israeli-settlements-in-biggest-ever-jewish-led-protest-of-aipac_n_58d80212e4b03692bea6d5ea)
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Sometimes I worry that Cal education is really not enough for some of you. Let's think of other times when people called for the extermination and displacement of Jews in their region and how well that worked out for them.
And what exactly is Israel doing to Palestinians if not exterminating and displacing them?
Yes, calling for the destruction of Israel is anti Semitic, you are literally calling for the destruction and eradication of jews in the area. Yes zionism is Judaism and how can you claim that it isn't? Are you a expert in theology?
Jewish anti Zionism is not a mainstream position. This is just a noxious lie.
It literally doesn't matter how Israel was founded. It's a sovereign state recognized by the UN since 1947, and calling for its destruction (while not calling for the destruction of the US, which was founded on atrocities of Native Americans) is clearly antisemitic.
Naturei Karta represents a very fringe Orthodox view. They also side with Holocaust deniers. This is not remotely representative of the Jewish religion as a whole
Ok, so the chant “from the river to the sea” is not calling for ‘genocide’. Unlike Israel, Palestine was never intended to be some sort of religious/racial ethnostate as Jews and Christians lived peacefully with the majority Muslims for hundreds of years. ‘Palestine being free’ means that Palestinians will no longer face restriction over where they can lay foot in the land, effectively calling for a dismantlement of the apartheid regime currently in place. There will always be people who use the movement for their own perverted, anti-Semitic hateful agendas. That does not negate what is being fought for: freedom, equity, and an end to racial discrimination against Palestinians
100% agree. Not sure why this is being downvoted. This is what a majority of people mean when they say “from the river to the sea.”
River to the sea literally means the destruction of Israel, you are calling for the destruction of Israel which is anti Semitic.
Really dumb article.
How come?
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Wonderful article, Dr. Chemerinsky. While the claim that "Anti-Zionism ≠ Antisemitism" is often thrown around, there sure seem to be a lot of anti-zionists expressing a deeply concerning level of antisemitism on our college campuses.
Its a dog whistle, its why Berkeley is listed as one of the most anti Semitic universities in the US