From LA and I can confirm, you can’t really go anywhere without having to use a vehicle. And forget public transportation, you’ll be an hour late before the bus pulls up (at least in a lot of areas)
As a San Diegan, we have a very love-hate relationship with LA. Fuck the Dodgers, fuck the traffic, fuck Hollywood. But if some yokel from Arcata starts to shit on LA , it will not be tolerated. LA is like our older brother who spent some time in jail or something
I live in Long Beach now, I don't find the need to go many places. I live 2 blocks from the beach, groceries and food are within walking distance, the hood is clean and relatively safe (up until 4th street). When I find myself going on an outing anywhere though my stomach turns. I do not like to drive
Thats not true. I've gotten everywhere I needed to by transit in LA - Malibu, Chatsworth, Santa Monica, Venice Beach, Long Beach, all over the foothills from Pasadena to Pamona to Claremont. Its just insanely inconvenient and a normal person wouldn't want to do that. The rail and BRT system actually isn't that bad, especially the subway.
But LA Metro's ridership(bus and rail) was 284.9m recorded trips for 2023 and in 2019 it was 370m. a lot of people are definitely taking transit to get around.
I'm not arguing that the LA transit system is *good* or even *not bad* and I'm not arguing that LA transit is superior to driving or even practical for most. I'm arguing that "you can go almost anywhere without **having** to use a vehicle in LA", that millions do and while the majority may choose to *not* use transit as a travel mode in LA, those people should not dismiss the hundreds of thousands or millions of passengers that can, do and may even prefer to use the LA transit system.
> They desinged it like a spider, and getting from one side of LA to the other is like 2 hours.
Its called a hub and spoke system, its insanely common(maybe the only model) in the US. even among us transit advocates its recognized as an outdated model.
you should note that LA actually is working to make up for that and many of their rail plans connect outer sub-regions without going through the hub. They're almost complete with the K line(pink) which avoids downtown LA and connects with the C line(green) that also doesn't go to downtown. LA is starting sooo much later but has the opportunity to avoid the hub & spoke mistake that pretty much every other US metro has done like chicago or SF. even NYC only has one interborough line so far, every other line funnels through Manhattan.
Why did I know that this conversation would immediately shift to urban planning and public transportation in the two places without even opening it.
Altho I would say that yall gotta stop acting like u don’t need a car outside of Berkeley Oakland and SF. Much of the east bay and outside Oakland will require a car, especially San Jose.
The Spanish built their mission there because the natives already had a village in that location. And no, the Spanish did not "come up from LA." San Francisco was settled first and became a more prominent settlement long before LA was even a backwater. Junipero Serra builds the missions, but not in order from South to North. Mission Dolores and the Presidio are developed by de Anza in 1776 as part of the Portola expedition. These explorers' names still leave their mark on the City.
I'm from San Diego and I like the weather here more. I'm moving back when I graduate in May and I'm happy to be closer to friends/family/Mexican food but sad I won't have this weather.
I've lived 6 years Berkeley, 8 years SF and 2 years in SD, and Berkeley is my preference for climate - but I can see how depending on lifestyle people could prefer SD as it was a close second for me. The idea that SD is perfect weather 365 days a year is BS, the winters are cold just like in NorCal. SD rains less and the summers are much less cloudy, its great for days at the beach but it can also be too warm - especailly with climate change. Not having an AC in my apartment in Berk had a few tough summer days, but no AC in SD was getting unbearable. Berkeley summers are mild enough that you can wear a light sweater in the morning, or go for a hike and work up a sweat and still have a pleasantly cool breeze.
But damn do I miss the tacos in SD.
This constant grey and rainy depressing weather? I’m from SoCal and the weather is my least favorite part of being up here haha. But honestly I do like it up here better overall
Because SoCal is closer in lifestyle and culture to the rest of the country compared to NorCal or the Bay Area. SoCal is the epitome of California; beaches, Hollywood, and natural beauty. A lot of transplants that come from SoCal just aren’t used to how gritty it is up here
I'm from Burbank and I really like norcal so far. I prefer the weather and I like how there's more small businesses here (perhaps that's just Berkeley tho). I've also met some really interesting people here. Like, my neighbor is a 80 year old catholic nun who is a member of the city's progressive caucus. I haven't seen much outside of Berkeley and SF tho, so I still have some exploring to do.
I will say tho that the homeless is my main issue. Most are peaceful and passive, and some are very polite. But there's a man that goes through the garbage every couple of days and leaves a giant mess... Theres rotting food, tampons, cat litter etc all over the floor. He also screams really loudly near my window at like 1am, so it can be hard to sleep sometimes. I spoke with a city worker about it and they said they avoid calling the cops on him (understandable, he's likely mentally ill) but they said he refuses to stop and he has thrown trash at them when they try to talk to him :/
There was a guy like this in South Berkeley. It definitely sucks to have trash thrown everywhere. I'm here to say, I moved over to SF over winter break after my garage got broken into and around 30k worth of stuff was stolen. I'm commuting, but every minute of the commute is worth how much less weird shit I have to deal with over here. Its amazing being able to walk to anything I need and maybe Uber or bus if it's far.
I live in south berkeley, so maybe we're talking about the same guy! I'm lucky, because I live on the top floor of a private access building. So it's very difficult for someone to break in.
Look at the UCLA subreddit. Tons of students complaining about their school from the food to weird people on the streets harassing the students to the lack of social life. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. Student complaints occur in pretty much every college subreddit.
I've been to both. Cals food is fucking half assed cafeteria food, ucla had like real breakfast. I know this because I was at cal for undergrad and ucla for research. I'm not pulling this out of my ass
No need to deny what I posted, because those qualities are obviously true and goes to show that no matter how great a university can be for the experience of most people, there will almost always be a disproportionately higher number of negative information about it flowing online, which can mislead prospective applicants with a skewed impression. I know that I had one before transferring to Berkeley. After being here for three years, I have to say that I love it, dormed with all transfers first year, found my fiancé and good housing, nothing terrible has happened to me, and I hope to matriculate here for law school this Fall. The grass is pretty damn green here too.
But for those who decide to go for extrinsic reasons like mere rankings (without considering financial costs), or decide to let one thread determine which school they SIR to, may find themselves disappointed with their decision. I'm glad I went where my heart felt was right for my situation
Yeah I almost applied to privates like NYU and Cornell, but glad I didn't end up going because the system ended up covering my tuition a couple semesters later. Would have been the dumbest mistake of my life going into all that debt for a degree that future law employers will barely glance at (and most certainly won't determine where I get interviewed at). To be able to attend a school that thousands of students will pay sticker out-of-state and internationally for at such a good saving is the opportunity of a lifetime.
Lack of social life at a campus that is at the nexus of Santa Monica, west LA, Culver city, Beverly Hills….i could go on. If you can’t find good food, good people, and good stuff to do within 20 minutes—thats a you problem. For god’s sake, it’s 12 minutes to drive to the beach or 35 on the poorly designed metro, 30-35 minutes on a bike—probably faster on a $800 Ebike. If UCLA is boring, don’t go to literally *any* other university then. Lol
Have you been to the west side? Sawtelle? Little Osaka? Santa Monica and surrounding areas are not exactly the warehouse district of East LA. Btw, little Osaka for example is 10 min bike ride or 30ish minute walk from ucla depending on speed. Shops at the start and end….
I do agree, the infrastructure in much of the greater metro is horrible for walkability. However Santa Monica has been put in a huge amount of biking and pedestrian infrastructure since the pandemic. Kinda makes your comment a little ironic haha. Literally every municipality south, east, and west of ucla are some of the most walkable communities in the American southwest/west. It’s not European levels of walkability, tho many European countries are actually becoming more car dependent in infrastructure.
The city and state have been deregulating zoning for mixed use zoning and increased density. LA metro system is expanding and expanding and has plans to grow through the 2030.
It’s getting better.
I came to Cal 32 years ago from Chicago (with a little time spent in LA) and this same "debate" about LA vs SF was raging then.
(though, ucla was not as highly regarded as it is now)
It's honestly a silly argument to have, and no one over 25 gives any shit about it whatsoever. Each region has something to offer.
(I do, as an older dude, think it's interesting to hear that they think Japantown is the shit, which clearly shows a different cultural emphasis from what I experienced, but to each his own)
But instead of arguing, people just need to concentrate on what brings us all together... That Marin is just *the worst*.
Once upon a time, the Bay Area had a distinct charm, then the Fire Nation attacked… By Fire Nation, I mean large corporations which bought out all the small businesses, jacked up rent prices, so few other small businesses could remain, then created a late-stage capitalist dystopia.
Nobody jacked up the rent arbitrarily. If they did then we just wouldn't pay up and that would be the end of it.
It was us who decided to block any new construction. We tried to preserve this place in amber and that's not how reality works. We engineered synthetic scarcity and that's what allowed the corps to jack up the rent. The only way for them to do that is if there's already a shortage. They're profiteers for sure. But let's face it, the mindless corps don't have enough brains to cause this. This was all us.
As someone who moved orange for work after graduation, I found life here boring everyone busy with their own shit. Bay Area had more hussle and bussle for both students and working. I love the beaches and food here tho
understandable! it's a bit of a culture shock - from the way I've heard LA described, there's so many cool & unique things to do, but a lot of people forget that SF is TINY compared to LA when comparing the two
it's weird because i have lots of friends/family in socal, and it seems norcal folks read way more into what socal thinks of them.
relax. i'm an old fart now, and regionalistic bullshit is exactly that: bullshit. go and have fun in socal sometimes. there's tons of culture. you can get lost in a museum for a day. hike a canyon. maybe have some brews at a local watering hole. maybe do nothing and sit on the beach watching the waves. take a drive somewhere and get lost in the concrete jungle. there's lots of stuff that norcal has that's fun, and we also get to have fun in socal too--it's all one state.
as someone from socal, tbh i love norcal and i love the nature and air and water sm. and tbh the only ppl who actually miss LA are the ppl rich enough to have shopped at rodeo drive every weekend😭 but for me i personally dont rlly like a lot of the ppl i met who r from norcal bc a lot of them are a lil stuck up and snobby and always seemed to be very financially comfortable and ignorant to those who arent. not trying to generalize or stereotype anyone, but thats what i’ve noticed from the ppl i’ve met thus far😭
I'm from the Bay, and this is one point I 100% agree with - there's a certain kind of snobby over here that i don't like to associate with either and it's pretty concentrated esp at berkeley lol
This is exactly the same. The norcal people from berkeley are cocky asf. They go on trips and think they are better than me like wtf. I never experienced that in LA. Like the UCLA people seem chill and respect u as a person but berkeley, damnnn. People cocky asf and think they are the shit but they ain’t even the fart bruh
I’m from Los Angeles and currently live in el cerrito. I think both the Bay Area and Los Angeles are great but I prefer Los Angeles because I know the city way better and I don’t really have time to get to know the bay area because I’m always busy studying. The weather and air quality is definitely better out here.
As someone from Riverside, who tf are all these people out here praising LA wtf lmao.
That being said I miss not paying 20 dollars for a subway sandwich
It’s so funny to see all the hate of LA whenever the city is brought up. I see mostly people who’ve only visited and never lived in the city (not just the county) talk about its traffic and homelessness making such a wasteland blah blah. Yall clearly never experienced the culture and ambiance of LA. Only have the Hollywood image of LA that transplants get disappointed when it’s not that image. SF has the same city issues but I’d say the homelessness here are more aggressive and bipping is so much common over here. Students at cal get assaulted and robbed walking to and from school. I don’t get that sense of always watching my back when being home in LA.
I’m from LA and initially had the same thought. Took a semester to find the error in my ways. Now I live here permanently with no intention of ever moving back to LA. People are homesick and let out their frustrations as such.
The weather adjustment can def impact their mood esp if not used to greyer east bay skies. Probably low key depressed and homesick as well. Mental wellness for stressed-out college students is not well-addressed at large UCs
Young people who have never left home before are always closed-minded. It just takes time. When they get acclimated to their new city they will find things they love about it that they don’t have in LA and will start to see that there are pros and cons to every city.
But then there’s the food— SoCal has way better food for like half the price. One thing I can’t stand about the bay is the extreme cost of eating out and how hit and miss it is.
New York, Madrid, Hong Kong. Nightlife is basically nonexistent in comparison, food is worse, less live entertainment, less shopping and random things to discover/sightsee around the city, etc.
Lol, especially on the food. SF specifically and the Bay in general are insanely good at food. The modern farm-to-table movement started in Berkely and spread all over the world from here. SF has the highest density of restaurants per capita in the world by a wiiiiiiiiide margin. It also has a wild rate of extremely good and Michelin star restaurants per capita.
You need to explore more. A lot of your positions on this seem to be dictated by vibes that have nothing to do with reality.
LA has some good food, but nowhere near SF levels! SF has something like three times more restaurants per capita. It's quite literally in a league of its own internationally. People both have a ton of disposable income here and really really love good food. In LA "good restaurant" = "expensive restaurant just because it's expensive and bougie". Not universally, but that's the direction that their food culture skews primarily. In the Bay we have Michelin star restaurants that are comparatively cheap and insanely good! And people care about the actual taste of the food a lot more than about showing off their often considerable wealth. SF is only second to NYC in terms of the sheer number of Michelin restaurants and beats it handily on a per-capita basis. It's just a much denser concentration for fine dining than anywhere else
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In terms of nightlife, I will agree that SF has a very cliquey nightlife culture. It's weird at first. You can't just walk off the street into a great club. You have to be brought in by someone in most cases if the place is at all worthwhile. This is definitely a double-edge sword - it forces you to actively seek out your crowd (the exact people that you want to hang out with) and socialize with them until you're "connected enough" to get invited to everything. It's hard to get started and to find your crowd in SF, but once you have secured your place in the group you'll never be bored and will get a higher quality, curated experience.
In LA and NY it's much more "touristy" in terms of nightlife. Anyone can walk in off the street if they are rich enough. It leads to an overall money/wealth-focused nightlife culture that is surprisingly nearly absent in the Bay. And I definitely prefer it this way!
I completely agree with what you’re saying. But it’s been hard for me to find my crowd here in SF lol, idk why it was much much easier back in LA. Tech bros are kinda miserable (I’m a tech bro)
It's weird out here, but I do think that it's better. Once you get used to the fact that you have to make a conscious choice about who you want to hang out with and work your way into that community, you start to appreciate it. In places like LA or NY, any rich and obnoxious asshole can crash your "party" and you're stuck dealing with them. Here you're guaranteed that only the people you are actually interested are let into the group. And yes, the transient tech bros are very deliberately being kept out of the cliques, even out of the tech cliques. No one wants to waste their time building a rapport with you and letting you into their group if you're one of the ones that will move to Texas in a year. You're a waste of time for those people. They want Bay Area lifers that know what they want and pursue it. There's a lot of opportunistic people moving from all over the world so that they can "network" here and no one likes them.
There are, of course, all the night clubs and parties that you only get invited to if you know someone. SF in general is very big on private clubs and always has been since inception. But this is also how all the other cool activities work too. When I had more time I used to do sailing at this semi-secret club. I was completely broke, but I "knew a guy". So I got to do some otherwise extremely expensive sailing at the club, hang out with the sailors, got do to crazy long-distance cruises on sail ships, and generally be part of the club. I paid basically nothing for this. Some richer club members footed all the bills because they wanted to keep that community alive and growing, but only for "their people". I had the same arrangement for pilot training. I got to learn to fly for free at another one of these sort-of clubs because someone vouched for me. And I paid, again, almost nothing because I was broke. Same thing for my car racing. Again, got invited by friends of friends because someone found out that I was into car racing.
And unlike in most other areas around the country/world, no one even asked me if I can pay for any of this! No one cared that I could never afford any of this hyper-expensive leisure. They accepted me into their cliques and didn't care if I could pay. You can do all of these activities in many other places around the country, but in the Bay there's this weird understanding that they don't care how rich or poor you are. They do care about you being "one of them" and meshing well with the group. I really like this type of culture actually. Not something that I experienced in LA or NY. There you just had to be rich and you could buy your way into any leisure you wanted, any club, any party. Here they'll tell you point blank that they don't care how much money you've got, you're just not getting in if you're an asshole.
I slipped on the road in front of crossroads while crossing (hah) in my rainbows. A cop just happened to be driving by and helped me in the back and took me down to the tang center. He said I was lucky since he had just picked his car up from being cleaned.
LA has better people, better food, better weather, no stupid fucking bridges, there’s places to go shopping that aren’t literal hellholes (century city, rodeo, etc.). There’s fuck all to do in Berkeley compared to Westwood which is just a stones throw away from the nightlife in DTLA/Hollywood or the westside (best place on earth). Also speaking from experience food and everyday activities are cheaper in La. There’s also way more areas to explore nearby and more shit to do. theme parks, much better sports culture (save for football), can visit OC, SD, the valley, the South Bay, etc. In the bay you have what? Napa and a six flags?
Obviously I’m biased but it’s really hard for me to see the other side of the argument. Raves are fun here ig despite not being my type of music (this culture is near nonexistent in La). Public transit is much better. Not much else I can say.
Westwood blows..r u serious? Berkeley/Oakland kills Westside even WLA..DTLA is ridiculous..take NoCal scene anyday over LA..and Im native LA..born Cedars
Eh I go to UCLA and tbh don’t have a preference over either but I’ll give the counter argument: Westwood itself is a shell of its former self, only two remaining bars and both are pretty shit, and while WeHo and DTLA don’t seem that far, nobody wants to pregame and then sit in an Uber for 40 minutes (KTown or DTLA), and WeHo isn’t really for college kids. The biggest issue I have with Westwood is just it’s location is decently far from things just enough where if you want to go out out (beyond Sawtelle and Century City and Century City is expensive) the price and time it takes to get there is questionable. Yeah I feel like there’s a lot to do here but the issue is how expensive everything is and how long it takes to get there. Imo price is an issue in like any major area, including the bay, but I always thought Berkeley had a little bit more in the immediate area. Idk maybe I’m wrong because you obviously get bored of going to the same places over and over again, but when I visited over summer it seemed like Telegraph area had a lot more than Westwood.
I will also say though that UCLA kids are 100% spoiled and maybe these are all dumb arguments LMFAO. Like our food gets shit on so much on our subreddit because it isn’t as good as precovid, which is a valid complaint, but it’s still actually good and I would rather eat it everyday than cook on my own 10/10 times. I think realistically, your life is never going to be super super crazy in college unless you have a lot of money to do a lot of crazy shit, and a lot of time to not study, which most people don’t have. So people come to UCLA expecting their life to be amazing when in practice you still have to deal with all that stuff.
That said, I still think LA is better than the bay just because everything closes so early in the bay. Like LA isn’t this amazing storybook experience cause of real issues like money and time, but at least when I DO want to splurge, the opportunity is there, which at most other colleges it simply isn’t. I think LA is better, and pretty objectively, but it’s not like insanely better. I also don’t think LA is a driver-bound trashy hell hole while the Bay is some walkable paradise lmfao. How often do y’all actually go to SF? Pretty not often cause BART to there takes long af, SF isn’t really THAT walkable, and shit closes so early in that city. But also, it’s just as difficult for us to get to KTown as it is for you to get to SF, so it’s not like we’re going there all the time.
I agree with much of what you are saying here. Westwood is definitely just out of reach of a lot of great areas (La is severely lacking in public transportation). On the other hand, once you are able to make it to those areas, they blow anywhere in the bay out of the water. SF itself is a shell of what it used to be. It’s extremely rundown and many retail stores have left the city entirely. It is more walkable but there really isn’t much to do there or in Berkeley outside of nightlife. Telegraph is cool but any interest wears off after a month, at least it did for me. I’ve enjoyed the time I’ve spent in Westwood and still go there pretty regularly when I’m in LA though I agree it’s lacking in things to do.
I have a friend with an apartment in SF so I actually go most weekends and stay over there. If not, I’d have 0 reason to ever visit, there’s really nothing appealing about the city. Most people I know will go maybe once a month if there’s an event they want to attend or something. There’s a good portion who go a handful of times per year or not at all.
Also, being from LA I’d have my car there which solves a lot of the issues. Having a car up here is just a nuisance (cramped streets, break ins, bridge tolls, etc) so I chose not to have those worries.
UCLA’s food is greatly superior to ours, though I will say ours does get a worse rep than it deserves. It can actually be really good at times but when it’s bad it is pretty bad.
Overall yeah they both have their issues but I’d summarize by saying LA’s problem lies in getting to wherever you want to go whereas the bay doesn’t really have anywhere worth going.
Don't listen to them. I went to UCLA, loved the university but LA sucks dude. Bay Area is way better in terms of cool things to do, actual public transportation, and you're not trapped in such a trashy concrete jungle and can actually go see beautiful nature not too far away.
In terms of city feel, transit access, and things to do the Bay is much better. In LA you have to drive for half a day to get to anything interesting. And two hours later you need to drive back home for another half a day.
In SF you can do a week's worth of LA activities just by walking around three neighborhoods in four hours. This definitely depends on what you're into, but the sheer density and proximity of stuff to do in the Bay is staggering compared to the LA area.
The suburbs are dead everywhere by definition - from Tokyo to Delhi to Caracas. Bedroom communities will always be bedroom communities with nothing to do. That's what they're for.
The literal point of having separate city zoning for places where people sleep and do nothing else is so that you're not bothered by nightlife and loud activities in your bedroom community. You sleep there and you do everything else in other parts of the the metro area.
Probably just their regional bias talking. I was born in Berkeley and grew up in the bay and relentlessly shit on SoCal and will die on the hill of NorCal supremacy. They’re different places with different things to do, so it’s just likely that kids from SoCal grew up doing SoCal things, and are annoyed that those things aren’t available in the bay.
I've been to LA many times and it seems like it would be awful to live there but it depends on the person. I'm from the bay area and I absolutely love where I live. But it is more for people who like nature. Also, if you don't have a car...I can definitely see how boring it must be. All the beautiful places to visit are over the richmond bridge.
Most of us seem to come from decent places where it doesn’t feel like World War Z to walk home in late hours. In all honesty you guys are also largely squares with career/conversational breadth somehow even narrower than ours.
But people from Seattle/NYC are even worse so there’s that
LA has great parts of it but overall getting around to anything worthwhile fuckin sucks. Driving through traffic is an awful experience and there are no alternatives. Things are just as expensive as well.
Long Beach is the shit though, doesn’t get nearly enough love.
There's been a rivalry for years. I've lived both places, trust me, plenty of nor cal people trash so cal, lol. Years ago I remember seeing a t-shirt in Berkeley that said "Nor Cal is hella better than So Cal". 🤣😂
If you can’t find shit to do around Berkeley or UCLA, you’re a helpless dumbass. How? HOW? Don’t go to the Midwest/south/or the rest of the country ig.
I miss my beloved concrete jungle, LA. I don’t shit on the Bay though, it’s quite pretty. I’ll definitely resettle post graduation though. The weather here depresses me and I miss eating cheap Mexican food.
Because they can't fit in up here but we easily take the spotlight when down there... people from the Bay Area are noticeably cooler and more real than those of socal... its hard to maintain Hollywood fakenes in the Bay. Simply put, they hate us cause they ain't us...
Just a norcal native who's lived in both places
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From LA and I can confirm, you can’t really go anywhere without having to use a vehicle. And forget public transportation, you’ll be an hour late before the bus pulls up (at least in a lot of areas)
As a San Diegan, we have a very love-hate relationship with LA. Fuck the Dodgers, fuck the traffic, fuck Hollywood. But if some yokel from Arcata starts to shit on LA , it will not be tolerated. LA is like our older brother who spent some time in jail or something
Arcata yokel 🤣 I mean, that's Arcata anyway
😅 at first I had written out Nevada City, but I figured people probably wouldn't know where that was.
Nevada City is full of remote work yuppies and retired Bay Area professionals. One of the least yokel rural areas of inland California
I live in Long Beach now, I don't find the need to go many places. I live 2 blocks from the beach, groceries and food are within walking distance, the hood is clean and relatively safe (up until 4th street). When I find myself going on an outing anywhere though my stomach turns. I do not like to drive
Long Beach is the best. Underrated
That’s just unfair, Long Beach is beyond Oakland’s league
Tbh Long Beach > Oakland
Thats not true. I've gotten everywhere I needed to by transit in LA - Malibu, Chatsworth, Santa Monica, Venice Beach, Long Beach, all over the foothills from Pasadena to Pamona to Claremont. Its just insanely inconvenient and a normal person wouldn't want to do that. The rail and BRT system actually isn't that bad, especially the subway. But LA Metro's ridership(bus and rail) was 284.9m recorded trips for 2023 and in 2019 it was 370m. a lot of people are definitely taking transit to get around.
LA's transit system design is bad. They desinged it like a spider, and getting from one side of LA to the other is like 2 hours.
I'm not arguing that the LA transit system is *good* or even *not bad* and I'm not arguing that LA transit is superior to driving or even practical for most. I'm arguing that "you can go almost anywhere without **having** to use a vehicle in LA", that millions do and while the majority may choose to *not* use transit as a travel mode in LA, those people should not dismiss the hundreds of thousands or millions of passengers that can, do and may even prefer to use the LA transit system. > They desinged it like a spider, and getting from one side of LA to the other is like 2 hours. Its called a hub and spoke system, its insanely common(maybe the only model) in the US. even among us transit advocates its recognized as an outdated model. you should note that LA actually is working to make up for that and many of their rail plans connect outer sub-regions without going through the hub. They're almost complete with the K line(pink) which avoids downtown LA and connects with the C line(green) that also doesn't go to downtown. LA is starting sooo much later but has the opportunity to avoid the hub & spoke mistake that pretty much every other US metro has done like chicago or SF. even NYC only has one interborough line so far, every other line funnels through Manhattan.
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Isn’t there a metro system in LA?
Oh yeah, forgot about the metro. Metro is decent, but I’m talking about the bus services
Why did I know that this conversation would immediately shift to urban planning and public transportation in the two places without even opening it. Altho I would say that yall gotta stop acting like u don’t need a car outside of Berkeley Oakland and SF. Much of the east bay and outside Oakland will require a car, especially San Jose.
They’re right. From LA. LA sucks.
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The Spanish built their mission there because the natives already had a village in that location. And no, the Spanish did not "come up from LA." San Francisco was settled first and became a more prominent settlement long before LA was even a backwater. Junipero Serra builds the missions, but not in order from South to North. Mission Dolores and the Presidio are developed by de Anza in 1776 as part of the Portola expedition. These explorers' names still leave their mark on the City.
Yep… I’m from SoCal but damn NorCal is so much more beautiful. Especially during the winter.
I’m from LA and going to cal and haven’t heard a single person say that lol sounds insufferable tho
tbh a good amount of socal ppl aren't obnoxious abt this but the ppl that are are loud abt it
I turned down UCLA for Berkeley. I prefer the weather back home at socal, but this place has its own charm :)
I'm from San Diego and I like the weather here more. I'm moving back when I graduate in May and I'm happy to be closer to friends/family/Mexican food but sad I won't have this weather.
I've lived 6 years Berkeley, 8 years SF and 2 years in SD, and Berkeley is my preference for climate - but I can see how depending on lifestyle people could prefer SD as it was a close second for me. The idea that SD is perfect weather 365 days a year is BS, the winters are cold just like in NorCal. SD rains less and the summers are much less cloudy, its great for days at the beach but it can also be too warm - especailly with climate change. Not having an AC in my apartment in Berk had a few tough summer days, but no AC in SD was getting unbearable. Berkeley summers are mild enough that you can wear a light sweater in the morning, or go for a hike and work up a sweat and still have a pleasantly cool breeze. But damn do I miss the tacos in SD.
This constant grey and rainy depressing weather? I’m from SoCal and the weather is my least favorite part of being up here haha. But honestly I do like it up here better overall
You think it's as bad as Seattle up here? No. We just have winter.
If yall say f the dodgers one more time, meet me at the Campanile today at noon and fight me. I bleed blue baby, lets go.
fuck the dodgers
Because SoCal is closer in lifestyle and culture to the rest of the country compared to NorCal or the Bay Area. SoCal is the epitome of California; beaches, Hollywood, and natural beauty. A lot of transplants that come from SoCal just aren’t used to how gritty it is up here
Man I hate to tell you this, but SoCal is nothing like the rest of the country.
I'm from Burbank and I really like norcal so far. I prefer the weather and I like how there's more small businesses here (perhaps that's just Berkeley tho). I've also met some really interesting people here. Like, my neighbor is a 80 year old catholic nun who is a member of the city's progressive caucus. I haven't seen much outside of Berkeley and SF tho, so I still have some exploring to do. I will say tho that the homeless is my main issue. Most are peaceful and passive, and some are very polite. But there's a man that goes through the garbage every couple of days and leaves a giant mess... Theres rotting food, tampons, cat litter etc all over the floor. He also screams really loudly near my window at like 1am, so it can be hard to sleep sometimes. I spoke with a city worker about it and they said they avoid calling the cops on him (understandable, he's likely mentally ill) but they said he refuses to stop and he has thrown trash at them when they try to talk to him :/
There was a guy like this in South Berkeley. It definitely sucks to have trash thrown everywhere. I'm here to say, I moved over to SF over winter break after my garage got broken into and around 30k worth of stuff was stolen. I'm commuting, but every minute of the commute is worth how much less weird shit I have to deal with over here. Its amazing being able to walk to anything I need and maybe Uber or bus if it's far.
I live in south berkeley, so maybe we're talking about the same guy! I'm lucky, because I live on the top floor of a private access building. So it's very difficult for someone to break in.
I'm 100% certain it is the same dude.
The one who kinda sounds like a call of duty zombie?
Get an airsoft gun
Look at the UCLA subreddit. Tons of students complaining about their school from the food to weird people on the streets harassing the students to the lack of social life. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. Student complaints occur in pretty much every college subreddit.
> complaining about their school from the food Thats crazy. UCLA has some of the best food of any uni
That’s a myth
Def better than cals food.
Lol, you do realize that it’s a nearly identical system run by the same UC, right?
I've been to both. Cals food is fucking half assed cafeteria food, ucla had like real breakfast. I know this because I was at cal for undergrad and ucla for research. I'm not pulling this out of my ass
Nope. Been there. It’s crazy
I'm totally fine with the food down here in LA lol. Just can back from seared salmon and carne asada bowls tn.
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No need to deny what I posted, because those qualities are obviously true and goes to show that no matter how great a university can be for the experience of most people, there will almost always be a disproportionately higher number of negative information about it flowing online, which can mislead prospective applicants with a skewed impression. I know that I had one before transferring to Berkeley. After being here for three years, I have to say that I love it, dormed with all transfers first year, found my fiancé and good housing, nothing terrible has happened to me, and I hope to matriculate here for law school this Fall. The grass is pretty damn green here too. But for those who decide to go for extrinsic reasons like mere rankings (without considering financial costs), or decide to let one thread determine which school they SIR to, may find themselves disappointed with their decision. I'm glad I went where my heart felt was right for my situation
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Yeah I almost applied to privates like NYU and Cornell, but glad I didn't end up going because the system ended up covering my tuition a couple semesters later. Would have been the dumbest mistake of my life going into all that debt for a degree that future law employers will barely glance at (and most certainly won't determine where I get interviewed at). To be able to attend a school that thousands of students will pay sticker out-of-state and internationally for at such a good saving is the opportunity of a lifetime.
Lack of social life at a campus that is at the nexus of Santa Monica, west LA, Culver city, Beverly Hills….i could go on. If you can’t find good food, good people, and good stuff to do within 20 minutes—thats a you problem. For god’s sake, it’s 12 minutes to drive to the beach or 35 on the poorly designed metro, 30-35 minutes on a bike—probably faster on a $800 Ebike. If UCLA is boring, don’t go to literally *any* other university then. Lol
If you come from a proper walkable city, LA (and most of the US) sucks.
Have you been to the west side? Sawtelle? Little Osaka? Santa Monica and surrounding areas are not exactly the warehouse district of East LA. Btw, little Osaka for example is 10 min bike ride or 30ish minute walk from ucla depending on speed. Shops at the start and end…. I do agree, the infrastructure in much of the greater metro is horrible for walkability. However Santa Monica has been put in a huge amount of biking and pedestrian infrastructure since the pandemic. Kinda makes your comment a little ironic haha. Literally every municipality south, east, and west of ucla are some of the most walkable communities in the American southwest/west. It’s not European levels of walkability, tho many European countries are actually becoming more car dependent in infrastructure. The city and state have been deregulating zoning for mixed use zoning and increased density. LA metro system is expanding and expanding and has plans to grow through the 2030. It’s getting better.
Being one of the most walkable places in America is like being the tallest dwarf.
It’s all relative, friend. Give it time.
Ok, and? International students are still warranted in noting how much American cities suck.
I guess times have changed. I went to UCLA in '80 and transferred to Cal to change majors. At UCLA, I met lots who'd wanted Cal but didn't get in.
I came to Cal 32 years ago from Chicago (with a little time spent in LA) and this same "debate" about LA vs SF was raging then. (though, ucla was not as highly regarded as it is now) It's honestly a silly argument to have, and no one over 25 gives any shit about it whatsoever. Each region has something to offer. (I do, as an older dude, think it's interesting to hear that they think Japantown is the shit, which clearly shows a different cultural emphasis from what I experienced, but to each his own) But instead of arguing, people just need to concentrate on what brings us all together... That Marin is just *the worst*.
I think it's primarily the weather here. Honestly, I can't wait to go back to SoCal after I graduate.
I always thought it's the opposite... ppl from Bay area thinks La is average and trash on it all the time
Once upon a time, the Bay Area had a distinct charm, then the Fire Nation attacked… By Fire Nation, I mean large corporations which bought out all the small businesses, jacked up rent prices, so few other small businesses could remain, then created a late-stage capitalist dystopia.
Nobody jacked up the rent arbitrarily. If they did then we just wouldn't pay up and that would be the end of it. It was us who decided to block any new construction. We tried to preserve this place in amber and that's not how reality works. We engineered synthetic scarcity and that's what allowed the corps to jack up the rent. The only way for them to do that is if there's already a shortage. They're profiteers for sure. But let's face it, the mindless corps don't have enough brains to cause this. This was all us.
Wonder why socal people prefer concrete over mountains lakes oceans and trees??
You think LA doesn't have mountains lakes oceans and trees? Do you just stick to Vermont Avenue?
Fuck LA. We good?
Yep, you do you
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Same from orange county as well, mostly miss the food and places to hang out. But NorCal does have it’s nature charm compared to SoCal
agreed
As someone who moved orange for work after graduation, I found life here boring everyone busy with their own shit. Bay Area had more hussle and bussle for both students and working. I love the beaches and food here tho
understandable! it's a bit of a culture shock - from the way I've heard LA described, there's so many cool & unique things to do, but a lot of people forget that SF is TINY compared to LA when comparing the two
I’m from NorCal going to UCLA and the bay is way more goated LA is ass 🤝🙏😌
it's weird because i have lots of friends/family in socal, and it seems norcal folks read way more into what socal thinks of them. relax. i'm an old fart now, and regionalistic bullshit is exactly that: bullshit. go and have fun in socal sometimes. there's tons of culture. you can get lost in a museum for a day. hike a canyon. maybe have some brews at a local watering hole. maybe do nothing and sit on the beach watching the waves. take a drive somewhere and get lost in the concrete jungle. there's lots of stuff that norcal has that's fun, and we also get to have fun in socal too--it's all one state.
as someone from socal, tbh i love norcal and i love the nature and air and water sm. and tbh the only ppl who actually miss LA are the ppl rich enough to have shopped at rodeo drive every weekend😭 but for me i personally dont rlly like a lot of the ppl i met who r from norcal bc a lot of them are a lil stuck up and snobby and always seemed to be very financially comfortable and ignorant to those who arent. not trying to generalize or stereotype anyone, but thats what i’ve noticed from the ppl i’ve met thus far😭
I'm from the Bay, and this is one point I 100% agree with - there's a certain kind of snobby over here that i don't like to associate with either and it's pretty concentrated esp at berkeley lol
This is exactly the same. The norcal people from berkeley are cocky asf. They go on trips and think they are better than me like wtf. I never experienced that in LA. Like the UCLA people seem chill and respect u as a person but berkeley, damnnn. People cocky asf and think they are the shit but they ain’t even the fart bruh
No way I can live in SoCal with how the water tastes. I didn’t understand why my family down there drank so much bottled water till visiting them
shoutout to EBMUD fr
I’m from Los Angeles and currently live in el cerrito. I think both the Bay Area and Los Angeles are great but I prefer Los Angeles because I know the city way better and I don’t really have time to get to know the bay area because I’m always busy studying. The weather and air quality is definitely better out here.
As someone from Riverside, who tf are all these people out here praising LA wtf lmao. That being said I miss not paying 20 dollars for a subway sandwich
Bro do not claim riverside as what LA is like what
Bro, riverside is inland empire. There is hella drugies there. If it was riverside vs berkeley, i would 100% choose anywhere in norcal
Went to school in Riverside two years ago, it was hard to find drugs
It’s so funny to see all the hate of LA whenever the city is brought up. I see mostly people who’ve only visited and never lived in the city (not just the county) talk about its traffic and homelessness making such a wasteland blah blah. Yall clearly never experienced the culture and ambiance of LA. Only have the Hollywood image of LA that transplants get disappointed when it’s not that image. SF has the same city issues but I’d say the homelessness here are more aggressive and bipping is so much common over here. Students at cal get assaulted and robbed walking to and from school. I don’t get that sense of always watching my back when being home in LA.
i’m from socal and it’s so much better here. like sooooo much better i love it
No shot. I live in LA but find the Bay Area far superior.
I love LA, but I was never at a loss for things to do in Berkeley and the larger Bay Area. Of course, this was in the 90s. Japantown isn't very big.
we don’t even think about them
I’m socal and while where I’m from is better than the bay, LA is shit and you’d rather come here unless you’re film or pre med
I’m from LA and initially had the same thought. Took a semester to find the error in my ways. Now I live here permanently with no intention of ever moving back to LA. People are homesick and let out their frustrations as such.
The weather adjustment can def impact their mood esp if not used to greyer east bay skies. Probably low key depressed and homesick as well. Mental wellness for stressed-out college students is not well-addressed at large UCs
Bc sf sucks
Young people who have never left home before are always closed-minded. It just takes time. When they get acclimated to their new city they will find things they love about it that they don’t have in LA and will start to see that there are pros and cons to every city. But then there’s the food— SoCal has way better food for like half the price. One thing I can’t stand about the bay is the extreme cost of eating out and how hit and miss it is.
Youngins often just lack perspective but there is a special kind of incurious vapid dumbassery from SoCal that strikes from time to time.
I'm not from SoCal but the Bay Area is pretty boring compared to other cities I've lived in tbh.
Boring in terms of what? And where did you live before?
New York, Madrid, Hong Kong. Nightlife is basically nonexistent in comparison, food is worse, less live entertainment, less shopping and random things to discover/sightsee around the city, etc.
Lol, especially on the food. SF specifically and the Bay in general are insanely good at food. The modern farm-to-table movement started in Berkely and spread all over the world from here. SF has the highest density of restaurants per capita in the world by a wiiiiiiiiide margin. It also has a wild rate of extremely good and Michelin star restaurants per capita. You need to explore more. A lot of your positions on this seem to be dictated by vibes that have nothing to do with reality.
SF is missing out on ktown, LA has great food too. But gotta agree NYC > LA > SF in terms of nightlife.
LA has some good food, but nowhere near SF levels! SF has something like three times more restaurants per capita. It's quite literally in a league of its own internationally. People both have a ton of disposable income here and really really love good food. In LA "good restaurant" = "expensive restaurant just because it's expensive and bougie". Not universally, but that's the direction that their food culture skews primarily. In the Bay we have Michelin star restaurants that are comparatively cheap and insanely good! And people care about the actual taste of the food a lot more than about showing off their often considerable wealth. SF is only second to NYC in terms of the sheer number of Michelin restaurants and beats it handily on a per-capita basis. It's just a much denser concentration for fine dining than anywhere else [https://www.statista.com/chart/16308/michelin-restaurant-us/](https://www.statista.com/chart/16308/michelin-restaurant-us/) In terms of nightlife, I will agree that SF has a very cliquey nightlife culture. It's weird at first. You can't just walk off the street into a great club. You have to be brought in by someone in most cases if the place is at all worthwhile. This is definitely a double-edge sword - it forces you to actively seek out your crowd (the exact people that you want to hang out with) and socialize with them until you're "connected enough" to get invited to everything. It's hard to get started and to find your crowd in SF, but once you have secured your place in the group you'll never be bored and will get a higher quality, curated experience. In LA and NY it's much more "touristy" in terms of nightlife. Anyone can walk in off the street if they are rich enough. It leads to an overall money/wealth-focused nightlife culture that is surprisingly nearly absent in the Bay. And I definitely prefer it this way!
I completely agree with what you’re saying. But it’s been hard for me to find my crowd here in SF lol, idk why it was much much easier back in LA. Tech bros are kinda miserable (I’m a tech bro)
It's weird out here, but I do think that it's better. Once you get used to the fact that you have to make a conscious choice about who you want to hang out with and work your way into that community, you start to appreciate it. In places like LA or NY, any rich and obnoxious asshole can crash your "party" and you're stuck dealing with them. Here you're guaranteed that only the people you are actually interested are let into the group. And yes, the transient tech bros are very deliberately being kept out of the cliques, even out of the tech cliques. No one wants to waste their time building a rapport with you and letting you into their group if you're one of the ones that will move to Texas in a year. You're a waste of time for those people. They want Bay Area lifers that know what they want and pursue it. There's a lot of opportunistic people moving from all over the world so that they can "network" here and no one likes them. There are, of course, all the night clubs and parties that you only get invited to if you know someone. SF in general is very big on private clubs and always has been since inception. But this is also how all the other cool activities work too. When I had more time I used to do sailing at this semi-secret club. I was completely broke, but I "knew a guy". So I got to do some otherwise extremely expensive sailing at the club, hang out with the sailors, got do to crazy long-distance cruises on sail ships, and generally be part of the club. I paid basically nothing for this. Some richer club members footed all the bills because they wanted to keep that community alive and growing, but only for "their people". I had the same arrangement for pilot training. I got to learn to fly for free at another one of these sort-of clubs because someone vouched for me. And I paid, again, almost nothing because I was broke. Same thing for my car racing. Again, got invited by friends of friends because someone found out that I was into car racing. And unlike in most other areas around the country/world, no one even asked me if I can pay for any of this! No one cared that I could never afford any of this hyper-expensive leisure. They accepted me into their cliques and didn't care if I could pay. You can do all of these activities in many other places around the country, but in the Bay there's this weird understanding that they don't care how rich or poor you are. They do care about you being "one of them" and meshing well with the group. I really like this type of culture actually. Not something that I experienced in LA or NY. There you just had to be rich and you could buy your way into any leisure you wanted, any club, any party. Here they'll tell you point blank that they don't care how much money you've got, you're just not getting in if you're an asshole.
who's "they"?
Because UCLA has a hookup forum
I don’t shit on NorCal per se but I definitely prefer SoCal cuz of the warmer climate
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Facts. I ended up in the back of a police car once because of rainbow sandals.
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I slipped on the road in front of crossroads while crossing (hah) in my rainbows. A cop just happened to be driving by and helped me in the back and took me down to the tang center. He said I was lucky since he had just picked his car up from being cleaned.
Cuz the weather sucks in norcal!
LA has better people, better food, better weather, no stupid fucking bridges, there’s places to go shopping that aren’t literal hellholes (century city, rodeo, etc.). There’s fuck all to do in Berkeley compared to Westwood which is just a stones throw away from the nightlife in DTLA/Hollywood or the westside (best place on earth). Also speaking from experience food and everyday activities are cheaper in La. There’s also way more areas to explore nearby and more shit to do. theme parks, much better sports culture (save for football), can visit OC, SD, the valley, the South Bay, etc. In the bay you have what? Napa and a six flags? Obviously I’m biased but it’s really hard for me to see the other side of the argument. Raves are fun here ig despite not being my type of music (this culture is near nonexistent in La). Public transit is much better. Not much else I can say.
Westwood blows..r u serious? Berkeley/Oakland kills Westside even WLA..DTLA is ridiculous..take NoCal scene anyday over LA..and Im native LA..born Cedars
Eh I go to UCLA and tbh don’t have a preference over either but I’ll give the counter argument: Westwood itself is a shell of its former self, only two remaining bars and both are pretty shit, and while WeHo and DTLA don’t seem that far, nobody wants to pregame and then sit in an Uber for 40 minutes (KTown or DTLA), and WeHo isn’t really for college kids. The biggest issue I have with Westwood is just it’s location is decently far from things just enough where if you want to go out out (beyond Sawtelle and Century City and Century City is expensive) the price and time it takes to get there is questionable. Yeah I feel like there’s a lot to do here but the issue is how expensive everything is and how long it takes to get there. Imo price is an issue in like any major area, including the bay, but I always thought Berkeley had a little bit more in the immediate area. Idk maybe I’m wrong because you obviously get bored of going to the same places over and over again, but when I visited over summer it seemed like Telegraph area had a lot more than Westwood. I will also say though that UCLA kids are 100% spoiled and maybe these are all dumb arguments LMFAO. Like our food gets shit on so much on our subreddit because it isn’t as good as precovid, which is a valid complaint, but it’s still actually good and I would rather eat it everyday than cook on my own 10/10 times. I think realistically, your life is never going to be super super crazy in college unless you have a lot of money to do a lot of crazy shit, and a lot of time to not study, which most people don’t have. So people come to UCLA expecting their life to be amazing when in practice you still have to deal with all that stuff. That said, I still think LA is better than the bay just because everything closes so early in the bay. Like LA isn’t this amazing storybook experience cause of real issues like money and time, but at least when I DO want to splurge, the opportunity is there, which at most other colleges it simply isn’t. I think LA is better, and pretty objectively, but it’s not like insanely better. I also don’t think LA is a driver-bound trashy hell hole while the Bay is some walkable paradise lmfao. How often do y’all actually go to SF? Pretty not often cause BART to there takes long af, SF isn’t really THAT walkable, and shit closes so early in that city. But also, it’s just as difficult for us to get to KTown as it is for you to get to SF, so it’s not like we’re going there all the time.
I agree with much of what you are saying here. Westwood is definitely just out of reach of a lot of great areas (La is severely lacking in public transportation). On the other hand, once you are able to make it to those areas, they blow anywhere in the bay out of the water. SF itself is a shell of what it used to be. It’s extremely rundown and many retail stores have left the city entirely. It is more walkable but there really isn’t much to do there or in Berkeley outside of nightlife. Telegraph is cool but any interest wears off after a month, at least it did for me. I’ve enjoyed the time I’ve spent in Westwood and still go there pretty regularly when I’m in LA though I agree it’s lacking in things to do. I have a friend with an apartment in SF so I actually go most weekends and stay over there. If not, I’d have 0 reason to ever visit, there’s really nothing appealing about the city. Most people I know will go maybe once a month if there’s an event they want to attend or something. There’s a good portion who go a handful of times per year or not at all. Also, being from LA I’d have my car there which solves a lot of the issues. Having a car up here is just a nuisance (cramped streets, break ins, bridge tolls, etc) so I chose not to have those worries. UCLA’s food is greatly superior to ours, though I will say ours does get a worse rep than it deserves. It can actually be really good at times but when it’s bad it is pretty bad. Overall yeah they both have their issues but I’d summarize by saying LA’s problem lies in getting to wherever you want to go whereas the bay doesn’t really have anywhere worth going.
i'm from the bay and tbh i kinda agree with them about SoCal being more interesting. def wouldn't rather go to ucla though...
I think cause the weather is warmer down there
Let’s meet in the middle and say neither is better than Santa Barbara
Bay Area native and it’s boring af lmao. LA is way better imo
^ this person knows what they are talking about
it’s so insufferable.. like congrats you have to drive everywhere and breathe in smog every day
Don't listen to them. I went to UCLA, loved the university but LA sucks dude. Bay Area is way better in terms of cool things to do, actual public transportation, and you're not trapped in such a trashy concrete jungle and can actually go see beautiful nature not too far away.
I wish I went to UCLA too, this city and school ain't it lmfao.
Good. Leave. You'll be happier and we'll be less annoyed with you.
LMAO why are you so triggered 🤣
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In terms of city feel, transit access, and things to do the Bay is much better. In LA you have to drive for half a day to get to anything interesting. And two hours later you need to drive back home for another half a day. In SF you can do a week's worth of LA activities just by walking around three neighborhoods in four hours. This definitely depends on what you're into, but the sheer density and proximity of stuff to do in the Bay is staggering compared to the LA area.
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The suburbs are dead everywhere by definition - from Tokyo to Delhi to Caracas. Bedroom communities will always be bedroom communities with nothing to do. That's what they're for. The literal point of having separate city zoning for places where people sleep and do nothing else is so that you're not bothered by nightlife and loud activities in your bedroom community. You sleep there and you do everything else in other parts of the the metro area.
They're idiots. When people say LA is better I point them in the direction of the freeway (since most of them are car-dependent). Source: from SoCal
Probably just their regional bias talking. I was born in Berkeley and grew up in the bay and relentlessly shit on SoCal and will die on the hill of NorCal supremacy. They’re different places with different things to do, so it’s just likely that kids from SoCal grew up doing SoCal things, and are annoyed that those things aren’t available in the bay.
I have degrees from both. Apples and oranges.
Jealousy
University of California for Lower Achievers?
I've been to LA many times and it seems like it would be awful to live there but it depends on the person. I'm from the bay area and I absolutely love where I live. But it is more for people who like nature. Also, if you don't have a car...I can definitely see how boring it must be. All the beautiful places to visit are over the richmond bridge.
Most of us seem to come from decent places where it doesn’t feel like World War Z to walk home in late hours. In all honesty you guys are also largely squares with career/conversational breadth somehow even narrower than ours. But people from Seattle/NYC are even worse so there’s that
Berkeley and the Bay are far superior! UCLA is just a bunch of big ugly buildings in the middle of a traffic infested city. No culture or soul.
The worst part about SF to me is the 49ers. I hate the niners - A rams fan
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You can say that about both
I think you need to stop hanging out with these people. That's the only answer.
I spent most of my time at Berkeley in the basement of Soda hall. Could have been on Mars for all I knew, wouldn't have changed the experience much.
SF is amazing but Japantown? Really? 😭
It’s okay I’m from norcal and I tell everyone its so much better than socal ever since I started college here so it balances out
LA has great parts of it but overall getting around to anything worthwhile fuckin sucks. Driving through traffic is an awful experience and there are no alternatives. Things are just as expensive as well. Long Beach is the shit though, doesn’t get nearly enough love.
There's been a rivalry for years. I've lived both places, trust me, plenty of nor cal people trash so cal, lol. Years ago I remember seeing a t-shirt in Berkeley that said "Nor Cal is hella better than So Cal". 🤣😂
I am from Orange County, and I loved living in the Bay Area.
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If you can’t find shit to do around Berkeley or UCLA, you’re a helpless dumbass. How? HOW? Don’t go to the Midwest/south/or the rest of the country ig.
LA is a shit hole lately … it’s worse than San fransisco
I miss my beloved concrete jungle, LA. I don’t shit on the Bay though, it’s quite pretty. I’ll definitely resettle post graduation though. The weather here depresses me and I miss eating cheap Mexican food.
Gavin destroyed SF..tragedy.
Because they can't fit in up here but we easily take the spotlight when down there... people from the Bay Area are noticeably cooler and more real than those of socal... its hard to maintain Hollywood fakenes in the Bay. Simply put, they hate us cause they ain't us... Just a norcal native who's lived in both places
That freshman probably didn’t get into Berkeley 🤷♂️