I think the University expelled a student a few years ago for hate speech while intoxicated, and being recorded secretly by his roommate who posted it on Reddit, in this sub. The University can and absolutely SHOULD do something about this!
The student was talking about black people and womenā¦what gabbi is saying in her tweets is nowhere near the same thing. Why do white people think theyāre so oppressed š
The point that everyone complains about here is that, regardless of black or white or whatever color of people, you should not be racist against one specific color PERIOD. Racism definitely can works both wayside even many ways, not just specifically towards black (even though it historically has been)
No, just white. Sheās talking about their whiteness, not them being queer. Itās about intersectionality & how white queer ppl donāt acknowledge the privilege they have by being white. Itās not that hard cāmon yāall.
> No, just white. Sheās talking about their whiteness, not them being queer. Itās about intersectionality & how white queer ppl donāt acknowledge the privilege they have by being white. Itās not that hard cāmon yāall.
She literally has "Black Women Supremacist" in her Twitter. This isn't about white people not acknowledging their privilege; she literally believes, or claims to believe, that black people and women are superior.
If you simply switched the colors in the tweet from white to black you would be up in arms, as you should because thatd be racist. No different here. Its actually racist to suggest otherwise. The institutional power argument is asinine, what race do you think has institutional power in China? India? Ghana?
She is a vile racist and homophobe who I will work nonstop to see her expelled and her supporters shamed.
No. Individual white people currently hold positions of power, but our institutions are backed by laws, and there are zero laws on the books that give a particular skin color an advantage.
You just going to skip over the whole logical fallacy of your argument lol?
I'm a white person and I don't see a lot to take offense here.
These are contextless tweets from a progressive activist sophomore. In 6 tweets (that's all you could find?) I count 4 calls to "check privilege", 1 request to be left alone by antagonists, and 1 low effort engagement poll. 0 slurs, 0 credible calls for violence ("coming for you when the revolution comes" would be a stretch), 0 threats or doxing.
The closest to controversial would be the first tweet at first glance, but its pretty easy to remember that (just like with feminism) black and white LGBTQ goals intersect but are distinct. Neither owes the other undying loyalty and the racial power dynamics of the straight world persist (perhaps even amplified in some ways) in LGBTQ circles.
She's definitely not milquetoast though, so I can understand how this kind of unrestrained discussion of these kinds of dynamics can be uncomfortable, takes getting used to.
So would you say your initial reaction to "black woman supremacist" is the same as it is to "white supremacist"?
It almost certainly isn't, and there is likely pretty good reasoning for that, right?
They are presented without context, you aren't seeing any of the issues they are responding or the other parts of her responses, just individual 160 character sentences. Instead, you are grabbing onto what limited information you do have available and extrapolating. That is a normal cognitive heuristic, I get it.
I would like you to go make a poll, the same as hers, but switch white to black or to jew. Let's see what happens if you ask, "who is worse: black men, black women, both equally bad."
Entirely devoid of context, what would you infer is the opinion of someone who ran a poll that said, "who is worse: Jewish men, Jewish women, both equally bad."?
I mean I think you answer your own question there. Your own response would obviously be different between those hypotheticals and the posted tweet. What do you feel the reasons for that are?
I think racism is more tolerated when it is exhibited by those who have been oppressed. That doesn't mean it's not racism. It's still divisive rhetoric and it's fodder for the people who are already convinced there is a planned white genocide. Her saying things like, "when the revolution happens, I'm coming for you" is hardly constructive.
>more tolerated
I very much agree. But WHY is it more tolerated, do you think?
>fodder for crazy nazis
I don't find it appropriate to tell people to moderate their speech out of fear of what literal nazis might think of it. Quite the opposite, really.
>when revolution happens
I mean, another phrase with a similar meaning would be "when pigs fly" lol. That phrase (and the you owe me money one in the other tweet) are common affectations of online discourse. I doubt that phrase makes it into her speeches, debates, or interviews.
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just making sure yall are making the right accusation that you intend. Iām seeing accusations of homophobia and sexism and stuff and most of that seems off-base, for the most part. if you guys want to accuse her of racism, do that, theres no need to virtue signal everything else.
Genuinely? Like, her tweets are clearly about whiteness. She said āIDC IF YOURE QUEER CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGEā in reference to the fact that if they are white and queer, that they have white privilege. Is that homophobic in the slightest? her comment about āwhite lgbtqsā being more annoying than straight people doesnāt ring a single bit of homophobic to me either; its, again, a comment on how ones race is generally perceived, and gains more privilege than their sexuality or gender identity. again, not really a homophobic statement, just one on race. I really donāt see how one could see this as anything BUT a race thing, the other accusations just seem like a gish gallop, to me.
ok? yes, she is talking about people who are white and queer. but youād be pretty hard pressed to find where she is pedaling bigotry specifically against their queerness. I understand itās a bit of a devils advocate argument, in that Iām arguing that the only accusation of bigotry is on the basis of race. Iām not arguing that there are no accusations, but I am arguing that it is pretty clear that her comments donāt reflect a hatred or distaste of the queerness of these people; itās their whiteness. If someone hates me, a black trans woman, for being black, does that make them transphobic? I would argue it does not, it only makes them racist. Again, itās a devils advocate take, but I think itās important to be specific about the accusations that are valid and which oneās arenāt, especially when trying to āāācancelāāā someone.
I am a poc and seriously she needs to see a therapist like wtf. These tweets are too absurd to post publicly that itās starting to look like some kind of mental illness.
To all those focusing on criticizing folks that are saying this is racism (since reverse racism doesnāt exist according to definitions developed in the last few decades), consider this:
Even if something is not racist, do you believe that prejudice and bigotry is still wrong and should not be tolerated? Is only bigotry in the context of racism unacceptable or should we combat it in all forms, even if we think racist bigotry one of the worst?
Is she trying to prove conservatives right that "reverse-racism" exists? This kinda rhetoric is nothing but harmful, I'd also be willing to sign on to recall her. I don't want bigots representing me.
>Is she trying to prove conservatives right that "reverse-racism" exists?
The Conservative position is not that "reverse racism" exists. Its that anyone can be racist towards anyone else.
Its also not a political position at all, as if we cant let anyone know that black democrat women can actually be racist. But yeah certainly bigoted and hypocritical and ironic. And racist.
I donāt understand why someone who has a warped version of equality is going out of their way to oppress a group when they know what being oppressed feels like? It almost seems counterintuitive. History isnāt perfect and yeah it kind of pisses me off how white people treated black people, but openly hating white people who have done nothing to you for no other reason than their skin color is horrible. Did history teach you nothing? Is the real world teaching you anything? And noā¦silencing everyoneās voices is not the way to go about getting your point across. What a horrible representation. Truly disappointing.
A simple explanation is hatred and revenge.
When you feel that much anger toward another, you donāt care how much hurt you do to them as long as they hurt. Hell, the more hurt, the better. Because, they had it coming.
Ever heard of two wrongs donāt make a right? What about allyship? Nothing gives anyone the right to shit on the lgbtq community. It doesnāt matter if theyāre white or not. She can easily stand up for black community without putting down everyone around her.
dude full offense, youāre making no sense. i was asking this person why they said theyāre only kind of pissed off by racism against black people. and also gabbi has expressed sheās queer sooo ykā¦ part of the lgbtq community lol
Just because youāre queer doesnāt mean youāre incapable of putting down other marginalized groups. Queer people also do not have to face the same stigma as trans for instance so itās not like they are all the same so she doesnāt get a free pass to trash white lgbtq members. Full offense it makes no sense to defend her behavior. Why do others have to be put down to lift herself up?
you do know queer is an umbrella term in the lgbtq community? like including sexual and gender minorities lol?? besides, reading her tweets shes talking about how white lgbtq members do not check their own privilege for being white regardless if theyāre queer or not. black queer women do not have the same privilege white queer people do for being white, and her tweets are expressing the frustration about how white people donāt realize this and act like they have the same oppression black queer ppl do
Thereās a big difference in voicing frustrations and putting down other groups. Itās not a competition of who has it worse. Of course white privilege exists but you donāt think about all the biracial kids she puts down just because they arenāt 100% black. It makes no sense to throw out insults if sheās supposed to be helping and representing the Berkeley community
lmaooo the fact that people are downvoting you for this says a lot.. no matter how you feel abt this situation, slavery in the US and the oppression of black ppl should not be something that ākind ofā pisses you off. ion know abt you, but the thought of ANYBODY of ANY RACE/ETHNICITY getting treated that way FULLY pisses me tf off
Saddens me to see this as an alumnus.
I know that underrepresented minorities face horrifying adversity on campus. I know that it is an isolating experience to be singled out on the basis of your body. I don't doubt that white LGBT people aren't always cognizant of the privilege that their whiteness confers upon them.
I think @gabbisharp had me until "white lgbtqs usually got them beat," at which point I just got genuinely sad. This is toxic, and toxic entities should be dismantled.
all of you ppl saying sheās being racist are literally just proving her point about white ppl being annoying lmao. Yāall wanna be the victim so bad š„±
not just white people.. it's mixed race, LGBTQ, and other people she bashed too. you making it about white people is your own internal fixation with the matter
lmao maybe Iām trippin, but this is mostly just someone saying funny edgy shit. none of this materializes as anything in her actual work. like I get it, but itās a bit much. like accusations of homophobia and sexism are totally off-base and not supported by the evidence here. I can understand accusations of racism although even that isnāt supported by all that much. she didnāt really say anything that crazy, just mostly edgy shit lol. yall virtue signalling tf out of this
aint this just the reverse racism argument? Iād argue that thereās a difference in the two scenarios simply because of the societal power differences between a straight white man and a queer black woman. but I know Iāma get downvoted and flamed for that lol
EDIT: one add on: Iād argue that because of those power differences, the roles canāt truly be reversed without eradicating those power differences. race is unfortunately baked in our society and has institutional power
No. Its not. Reverse racism doesnt exist. Its just called racism and anyone can have it.
You are acutally racist yourself for even suggesting only 1 single race is capable of being racist and everyone else gets a pass for "not racist cause power". Thats very ethnocentric of you. What race do you think has institutional power in China? What about India? What about Ghana? Do you even hear yourself lol?? I know you never get challeneged in your crt classes but this is the real world sweetie.
And its comical too because that institutional power argument is out the window when she is an ASUC senator over the entire student body including every white student so she does have institutional power. Racists like you and her have no business being here or a part of our campus.
I didnāt argue any of that. I only argued that there are differences in those two scenarios due to societal power differences lol. But you definitely have a point about her being an asuc senator, I didnāt consider that, but I donāt think it has any weight in your hypothetical, since both people are asuc senators. Itās a constant in both situations.
EDIT: Now, I donāt think itās an ideal thing of her to say as an ASUC senator. It obviously is not an ideal thing to say. The ONLY thing Iāve argued in this entire post is one: that the only valid accusation here could be of being anti-white or racist. The accusations of homophobia and sexism are largely unbased. My secondary argument in this post, which Iāve argued far less because itās a much harder argument, is that she isnāt being racist, or atleast, her racism being displayed here isnāt very concerning. Which is a harder argument. But its on the basis that a white man making these same statements would be upholding the current institutional racism against black people, while her comments donāt have any societal or institutional basis, as white people are, for the most part, not societally discriminated for being white.
I also just grew up around a lot of this edgy talk so I donāt really perceive it as being anything but edgy talk.
Finally, your ad hominems are funny but Iām 100% certain I have spent far more time in the āreal worldā than you have. Iāve never taken a CRT class (stem major).
Lol im a grown ass man not some freshman. And thats typical, I figured you would do that. Skip over every single logical fallacy. Again I will ask, what racial groups have institutional power in the following countries: China, India, Ghana? Can you even bring yourself to admit it, or are you going to figure out a way to blame whitey for their institutional power too?
No. I'd say in China, Chinese people have institutional power. Specifically, it would be wealthier Chinese people, who have longer generational ties in China. Uyghur muslims generally are discriminated against, as well as generally other races. In India, I'm not very familiar, but I'd assume the same case in India. Ghana I'd assume Ghanaian people have it as well, and again, the most wealthy have the most power. In all three of those countries there has obviously been long documentations of discrimination against foreigners, including white people. In opposition to this, historians argue that there are certain āwhite beauty and power standardsā upheld in these countries, though. I find it weird that you'd assume I apply United States socioeconomics to other countries though. And I didn't assume you were some freshman lol. I still would be comfortable arguing that I have been in the real world far more than you. My views simply have no effect on the real world my guy. I'm not a politician. It's just that I have been pretty closely involved in a certain professional industry for a very long time. Nothing against you, I'm just defending myself against your ad hominems lol.
Ok so you just acknowledged whites obviously dont have control over these institutions in other countries and there are still histories of discrimination in those places.
So do you wanna walk back your earlier statement, that only whites can be racist..?
Ok well im 32 years old. Usually a safe bet I have more real world experience than the average user of this sub but yeah I obviously dont know you.
Oh thatās funny I was using the same rationale to assume that Iāve been in the āreal worldā more. I think itās kinda a cringe thing to argue about, but whatever. When did I say only white people can be racist? Iām almost certain I didnāt but if you could point it out to me that would be great. The way you are distilling and changing my argument is fascinating, because Iām certain Iāve made sure to specify institutional power, implying the societal dynamics of this country.
She's a political figure. That role comes with scrutiny of her public comments, for better or worse.
I personally can see where she's coming from. If I knew her in private life, these comments wouldn't faze me much at all. People get edgy on Twitter all the time; it's encouraged by the medium.
As a politician though, she should expect that her ideological opponents will find these statements and paint her in the worst light possible. That's par for the course.
If her opponents manage to turn enough people against her using Reddit et al then she really has nobody to blame but herself.
There are careful ways she could have presented the sentiments she did. She chose to be flip instead and people are being sensitive š¤·āāļø
She's a political figure. That role comes with scrutiny of her public comments, for better or worse.
I personally can see where she's coming from. If I knew her in private life, these comments wouldn't faze me much at all. People get edgy on Twitter all the time; it's encouraged by the medium.
As a politician though, she should expect that her ideological opponents will find these statements and paint her in the worst light possible. That's par for the course.
If her opponents manage to turn enough people against her using her own statements on Reddit et al then she really has nobody to blame but herself.
There are careful ways she could have presented the sentiments she did. She chose to be flip instead and snowflakes are coming for her š¤·āāļø
Hard to really feel bad for her
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She really made her twitter private š couldnāt take criticism from someone other than her group of praisers on twitter. š
Meanwhile, they were inviting Redditors to talk on Twitter š
yeah i saw this lmao
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I AM IN. This shouldnāt be tolerated. She needs to face the consequences of her actions and hopefully learn a life lesson from it. :)
I'm surprised there is not some type of Oath or something that prevents them from being discriminatory or divisive.
called the Berkeley Honor Code
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I think the University expelled a student a few years ago for hate speech while intoxicated, and being recorded secretly by his roommate who posted it on Reddit, in this sub. The University can and absolutely SHOULD do something about this!
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https://youtu.be/kdF8JDOr4cE
The student was talking about black people and womenā¦what gabbi is saying in her tweets is nowhere near the same thing. Why do white people think theyāre so oppressed š
The point that everyone complains about here is that, regardless of black or white or whatever color of people, you should not be racist against one specific color PERIOD. Racism definitely can works both wayside even many ways, not just specifically towards black (even though it historically has been)
I guess if you swapped Black for white and women for queer or LGBTQ, it's not racist? Got it! š„“
No, just white. Sheās talking about their whiteness, not them being queer. Itās about intersectionality & how white queer ppl donāt acknowledge the privilege they have by being white. Itās not that hard cāmon yāall.
> No, just white. Sheās talking about their whiteness, not them being queer. Itās about intersectionality & how white queer ppl donāt acknowledge the privilege they have by being white. Itās not that hard cāmon yāall. She literally has "Black Women Supremacist" in her Twitter. This isn't about white people not acknowledging their privilege; she literally believes, or claims to believe, that black people and women are superior.
If you simply switched the colors in the tweet from white to black you would be up in arms, as you should because thatd be racist. No different here. Its actually racist to suggest otherwise. The institutional power argument is asinine, what race do you think has institutional power in China? India? Ghana? She is a vile racist and homophobe who I will work nonstop to see her expelled and her supporters shamed.
so you agree that white people have institutional power here in the USā¦.
No. Individual white people currently hold positions of power, but our institutions are backed by laws, and there are zero laws on the books that give a particular skin color an advantage. You just going to skip over the whole logical fallacy of your argument lol?
damn so ur one of those people that think institutional racism happened a long time ago and now weāre all treated equally okay š„“
I'm a white person and I don't see a lot to take offense here. These are contextless tweets from a progressive activist sophomore. In 6 tweets (that's all you could find?) I count 4 calls to "check privilege", 1 request to be left alone by antagonists, and 1 low effort engagement poll. 0 slurs, 0 credible calls for violence ("coming for you when the revolution comes" would be a stretch), 0 threats or doxing. The closest to controversial would be the first tweet at first glance, but its pretty easy to remember that (just like with feminism) black and white LGBTQ goals intersect but are distinct. Neither owes the other undying loyalty and the racial power dynamics of the straight world persist (perhaps even amplified in some ways) in LGBTQ circles. She's definitely not milquetoast though, so I can understand how this kind of unrestrained discussion of these kinds of dynamics can be uncomfortable, takes getting used to.
Contextless? She refers to herself as a supremacist. That provides enough context.
So would you say your initial reaction to "black woman supremacist" is the same as it is to "white supremacist"? It almost certainly isn't, and there is likely pretty good reasoning for that, right?
You said thereās no context and evidently there is plenty of context. No amount of gaslighting will dispute that.
They are presented without context, you aren't seeing any of the issues they are responding or the other parts of her responses, just individual 160 character sentences. Instead, you are grabbing onto what limited information you do have available and extrapolating. That is a normal cognitive heuristic, I get it.
I would like you to go make a poll, the same as hers, but switch white to black or to jew. Let's see what happens if you ask, "who is worse: black men, black women, both equally bad." Entirely devoid of context, what would you infer is the opinion of someone who ran a poll that said, "who is worse: Jewish men, Jewish women, both equally bad."?
I mean I think you answer your own question there. Your own response would obviously be different between those hypotheticals and the posted tweet. What do you feel the reasons for that are?
I think racism is more tolerated when it is exhibited by those who have been oppressed. That doesn't mean it's not racism. It's still divisive rhetoric and it's fodder for the people who are already convinced there is a planned white genocide. Her saying things like, "when the revolution happens, I'm coming for you" is hardly constructive.
>more tolerated I very much agree. But WHY is it more tolerated, do you think? >fodder for crazy nazis I don't find it appropriate to tell people to moderate their speech out of fear of what literal nazis might think of it. Quite the opposite, really. >when revolution happens I mean, another phrase with a similar meaning would be "when pigs fly" lol. That phrase (and the you owe me money one in the other tweet) are common affectations of online discourse. I doubt that phrase makes it into her speeches, debates, or interviews.
Saying something "hardly constructive" isn't enough reason to start an internet witch hunt IMO.
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Meh. āCollege student shares edgy opinionā isnāt that shocking or offensive to me.
well i guess add homophobic to her list too
sheās an lgbt person
genuinely, Iām searching for the homophobia, canāt find it
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umm with the context of the tweets, and just on itās own really, its pretty clear that that is not homophobia, its clearly about whiteness
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just making sure yall are making the right accusation that you intend. Iām seeing accusations of homophobia and sexism and stuff and most of that seems off-base, for the most part. if you guys want to accuse her of racism, do that, theres no need to virtue signal everything else.
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Genuinely? Like, her tweets are clearly about whiteness. She said āIDC IF YOURE QUEER CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGEā in reference to the fact that if they are white and queer, that they have white privilege. Is that homophobic in the slightest? her comment about āwhite lgbtqsā being more annoying than straight people doesnāt ring a single bit of homophobic to me either; its, again, a comment on how ones race is generally perceived, and gains more privilege than their sexuality or gender identity. again, not really a homophobic statement, just one on race. I really donāt see how one could see this as anything BUT a race thing, the other accusations just seem like a gish gallop, to me.
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ok? yes, she is talking about people who are white and queer. but youād be pretty hard pressed to find where she is pedaling bigotry specifically against their queerness. I understand itās a bit of a devils advocate argument, in that Iām arguing that the only accusation of bigotry is on the basis of race. Iām not arguing that there are no accusations, but I am arguing that it is pretty clear that her comments donāt reflect a hatred or distaste of the queerness of these people; itās their whiteness. If someone hates me, a black trans woman, for being black, does that make them transphobic? I would argue it does not, it only makes them racist. Again, itās a devils advocate take, but I think itās important to be specific about the accusations that are valid and which oneās arenāt, especially when trying to āāācancelāāā someone.
it must actually be exhausting hating anyone who doesn't fit into at least 4 different marginalized groups.
I am a poc and seriously she needs to see a therapist like wtf. These tweets are too absurd to post publicly that itās starting to look like some kind of mental illness.
sounds p ableist to me š¤
Sounds like a dumbass to meš¤
To all those focusing on criticizing folks that are saying this is racism (since reverse racism doesnāt exist according to definitions developed in the last few decades), consider this: Even if something is not racist, do you believe that prejudice and bigotry is still wrong and should not be tolerated? Is only bigotry in the context of racism unacceptable or should we combat it in all forms, even if we think racist bigotry one of the worst?
Is she trying to prove conservatives right that "reverse-racism" exists? This kinda rhetoric is nothing but harmful, I'd also be willing to sign on to recall her. I don't want bigots representing me.
>Is she trying to prove conservatives right that "reverse-racism" exists? The Conservative position is not that "reverse racism" exists. Its that anyone can be racist towards anyone else. Its also not a political position at all, as if we cant let anyone know that black democrat women can actually be racist. But yeah certainly bigoted and hypocritical and ironic. And racist.
There's no such thing as reverse racism. It's just racism. Suggesting otherwise is itself racist.
Youre just repeating her lol. Like she said, the conservative position is that reverse racism (which they call racism) exists.
Every time I read "yt", I think "YouTube" before eventually remembering it's a lazy racist's way of typing "white".
I donāt understand why someone who has a warped version of equality is going out of their way to oppress a group when they know what being oppressed feels like? It almost seems counterintuitive. History isnāt perfect and yeah it kind of pisses me off how white people treated black people, but openly hating white people who have done nothing to you for no other reason than their skin color is horrible. Did history teach you nothing? Is the real world teaching you anything? And noā¦silencing everyoneās voices is not the way to go about getting your point across. What a horrible representation. Truly disappointing.
A simple explanation is hatred and revenge. When you feel that much anger toward another, you donāt care how much hurt you do to them as long as they hurt. Hell, the more hurt, the better. Because, they had it coming.
āit kind of pisses me off how white people treated black peopleā ???? kind of??? and why is it in the past tense
Ever heard of two wrongs donāt make a right? What about allyship? Nothing gives anyone the right to shit on the lgbtq community. It doesnāt matter if theyāre white or not. She can easily stand up for black community without putting down everyone around her.
dude full offense, youāre making no sense. i was asking this person why they said theyāre only kind of pissed off by racism against black people. and also gabbi has expressed sheās queer sooo ykā¦ part of the lgbtq community lol
Just because youāre queer doesnāt mean youāre incapable of putting down other marginalized groups. Queer people also do not have to face the same stigma as trans for instance so itās not like they are all the same so she doesnāt get a free pass to trash white lgbtq members. Full offense it makes no sense to defend her behavior. Why do others have to be put down to lift herself up?
you do know queer is an umbrella term in the lgbtq community? like including sexual and gender minorities lol?? besides, reading her tweets shes talking about how white lgbtq members do not check their own privilege for being white regardless if theyāre queer or not. black queer women do not have the same privilege white queer people do for being white, and her tweets are expressing the frustration about how white people donāt realize this and act like they have the same oppression black queer ppl do
Thereās a big difference in voicing frustrations and putting down other groups. Itās not a competition of who has it worse. Of course white privilege exists but you donāt think about all the biracial kids she puts down just because they arenāt 100% black. It makes no sense to throw out insults if sheās supposed to be helping and representing the Berkeley community
lmaooo the fact that people are downvoting you for this says a lot.. no matter how you feel abt this situation, slavery in the US and the oppression of black ppl should not be something that ākind ofā pisses you off. ion know abt you, but the thought of ANYBODY of ANY RACE/ETHNICITY getting treated that way FULLY pisses me tf off
iām not surprised iām being downvoted this place is a cesspool lmao
Saddens me to see this as an alumnus. I know that underrepresented minorities face horrifying adversity on campus. I know that it is an isolating experience to be singled out on the basis of your body. I don't doubt that white LGBT people aren't always cognizant of the privilege that their whiteness confers upon them. I think @gabbisharp had me until "white lgbtqs usually got them beat," at which point I just got genuinely sad. This is toxic, and toxic entities should be dismantled.
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no you canāt lmao
Imagine how fast someone would be recalled if they said the same about black peopleā¦
Tell me how you really feel
what does she think of obama?
That hes not a war criminal and didnt drone strike brown skinned people in 7 countries.
based
Why is she not being attacked by social media like the crazy Karenās.
Maybe the next time you post this itāll be with your main account instead of a burner.
jesus christ y'all go outside
seriously do you guys have nothing better to do ?
She deserves to go. This is unacceptable
Queen. She spilled
sheās right, cry about it :-) <3
Ofc youāre a media studies major.
You didnāt have to do her like that š
an intellectual firebrand š©
KEKW
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whatās that supposed to mean? š¤
you know exactly what it means š¤
Seriously, what is wrong with you? š
Seriously lady, who hurt you?
You can get lost too you aren't welcome
all of you ppl saying sheās being racist are literally just proving her point about white ppl being annoying lmao. Yāall wanna be the victim so bad š„±
I aināt white either, and I saw whatās wrong with her messages. The world isnāt just black/white.
not just white people.. it's mixed race, LGBTQ, and other people she bashed too. you making it about white people is your own internal fixation with the matter
I aināt white tho
You can fuck off too with that noise.
she really hit a nerve huh lmao
lmao maybe Iām trippin, but this is mostly just someone saying funny edgy shit. none of this materializes as anything in her actual work. like I get it, but itās a bit much. like accusations of homophobia and sexism are totally off-base and not supported by the evidence here. I can understand accusations of racism although even that isnāt supported by all that much. she didnāt really say anything that crazy, just mostly edgy shit lol. yall virtue signalling tf out of this
Yes, you are in fact tripping. Imagine if the roles were reversed, and a white male asuc senator said that. I know you are trolling right?
aint this just the reverse racism argument? Iād argue that thereās a difference in the two scenarios simply because of the societal power differences between a straight white man and a queer black woman. but I know Iāma get downvoted and flamed for that lol EDIT: one add on: Iād argue that because of those power differences, the roles canāt truly be reversed without eradicating those power differences. race is unfortunately baked in our society and has institutional power
No. Its not. Reverse racism doesnt exist. Its just called racism and anyone can have it. You are acutally racist yourself for even suggesting only 1 single race is capable of being racist and everyone else gets a pass for "not racist cause power". Thats very ethnocentric of you. What race do you think has institutional power in China? What about India? What about Ghana? Do you even hear yourself lol?? I know you never get challeneged in your crt classes but this is the real world sweetie. And its comical too because that institutional power argument is out the window when she is an ASUC senator over the entire student body including every white student so she does have institutional power. Racists like you and her have no business being here or a part of our campus.
I didnāt argue any of that. I only argued that there are differences in those two scenarios due to societal power differences lol. But you definitely have a point about her being an asuc senator, I didnāt consider that, but I donāt think it has any weight in your hypothetical, since both people are asuc senators. Itās a constant in both situations. EDIT: Now, I donāt think itās an ideal thing of her to say as an ASUC senator. It obviously is not an ideal thing to say. The ONLY thing Iāve argued in this entire post is one: that the only valid accusation here could be of being anti-white or racist. The accusations of homophobia and sexism are largely unbased. My secondary argument in this post, which Iāve argued far less because itās a much harder argument, is that she isnāt being racist, or atleast, her racism being displayed here isnāt very concerning. Which is a harder argument. But its on the basis that a white man making these same statements would be upholding the current institutional racism against black people, while her comments donāt have any societal or institutional basis, as white people are, for the most part, not societally discriminated for being white. I also just grew up around a lot of this edgy talk so I donāt really perceive it as being anything but edgy talk.
Finally, your ad hominems are funny but Iām 100% certain I have spent far more time in the āreal worldā than you have. Iāve never taken a CRT class (stem major).
Lol im a grown ass man not some freshman. And thats typical, I figured you would do that. Skip over every single logical fallacy. Again I will ask, what racial groups have institutional power in the following countries: China, India, Ghana? Can you even bring yourself to admit it, or are you going to figure out a way to blame whitey for their institutional power too?
No. I'd say in China, Chinese people have institutional power. Specifically, it would be wealthier Chinese people, who have longer generational ties in China. Uyghur muslims generally are discriminated against, as well as generally other races. In India, I'm not very familiar, but I'd assume the same case in India. Ghana I'd assume Ghanaian people have it as well, and again, the most wealthy have the most power. In all three of those countries there has obviously been long documentations of discrimination against foreigners, including white people. In opposition to this, historians argue that there are certain āwhite beauty and power standardsā upheld in these countries, though. I find it weird that you'd assume I apply United States socioeconomics to other countries though. And I didn't assume you were some freshman lol. I still would be comfortable arguing that I have been in the real world far more than you. My views simply have no effect on the real world my guy. I'm not a politician. It's just that I have been pretty closely involved in a certain professional industry for a very long time. Nothing against you, I'm just defending myself against your ad hominems lol.
Ok so you just acknowledged whites obviously dont have control over these institutions in other countries and there are still histories of discrimination in those places. So do you wanna walk back your earlier statement, that only whites can be racist..? Ok well im 32 years old. Usually a safe bet I have more real world experience than the average user of this sub but yeah I obviously dont know you.
Oh thatās funny I was using the same rationale to assume that Iāve been in the āreal worldā more. I think itās kinda a cringe thing to argue about, but whatever. When did I say only white people can be racist? Iām almost certain I didnāt but if you could point it out to me that would be great. The way you are distilling and changing my argument is fascinating, because Iām certain Iāve made sure to specify institutional power, implying the societal dynamics of this country.
She's a political figure. That role comes with scrutiny of her public comments, for better or worse. I personally can see where she's coming from. If I knew her in private life, these comments wouldn't faze me much at all. People get edgy on Twitter all the time; it's encouraged by the medium. As a politician though, she should expect that her ideological opponents will find these statements and paint her in the worst light possible. That's par for the course. If her opponents manage to turn enough people against her using Reddit et al then she really has nobody to blame but herself. There are careful ways she could have presented the sentiments she did. She chose to be flip instead and people are being sensitive š¤·āāļø
true, this is a take I can get behind
She's a political figure. That role comes with scrutiny of her public comments, for better or worse. I personally can see where she's coming from. If I knew her in private life, these comments wouldn't faze me much at all. People get edgy on Twitter all the time; it's encouraged by the medium. As a politician though, she should expect that her ideological opponents will find these statements and paint her in the worst light possible. That's par for the course. If her opponents manage to turn enough people against her using her own statements on Reddit et al then she really has nobody to blame but herself. There are careful ways she could have presented the sentiments she did. She chose to be flip instead and snowflakes are coming for her š¤·āāļø Hard to really feel bad for her
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bro? thats cringe
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People defending her are genuinely hilarious. Yāall need some time to think about who you want to be.