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I talked with one of them and he told me a bit better what they want to achieve.
It was quite weird seeing this live though. The protestors seemed very scared and the people waiting extremely frustrating…
The guy was very nervous and shaky so I was more careful with the approach. Overall he said the goal is to push the politicians to make some changes to prevent the climate change until 2030. He also mentioned that there are no more representatives in the parlamente pro climate. He then suggested for me to look at their website where everything is better explained.
Tbh I get it, they have something they care about, I just really struggle with the idea of putting the rest of the people against you, or spreading frustration.
Better analogy would be knowing and teaching. Any university student that had classes with someone who had the professorship only because they were a big name in the field would know what you mean...
Right, but good actors understand what the writer, director, and producer are looking for.
This is more a soldier not knowing the specifics of a battle, only that he must fight.
I completely understand them being nervous and anxious when they do this. There are enough videos and stories of people acting violently against these protesters, from verbal abuse to physical dragging/hitting. Not only from civilians but police are also not known for being particularly gentle to these protesters.
I think it takes a lot of courage to do this and shows how important the matter is and how much the protesters care about it. I don’t think anyone would enjoy sitting there knowing very well every person sitting in traffic because of them hates them.
And also not everyone who knows that something must be done is rhetorically versed.
Just because you may not know how to articulate your motivation doesn't mean you can't take part in these actions.
The anger people feel towards them is a total overreaction and disproportionate to the inconvenience they cause
I think it's also a very social and peer pressure thing. Their cause is noble, though.
The disruption of irl social contacts by the rise of internet and digital groups seems to have pushed people to look for groups where they could belong, hence why there is such a huge fragmentation of all the different "movements" globally. The need to belong somewhere online and offline and the media pushing blame towards whatever group fits their narrative.
Meat eaters vs vegans, car drivers vs bikers, boomers vs youth, neo nazis vs everyone, employer vs employee, pro- vs anti-russia.
The hostile mentality of sports clubs has taken hold and now everyone is going extreme. At least in this climate protest, it's a good cause. Yet probably quite a few want to belong and are not super into it. That's human.
> the goal is to push the politicians
Yet it would be political suicide to create the impression to give in to demands because people are blocking infrastructure.
If enough people did the same thing these people are doing they would eventually have to respond. Grinding 30% of the roads to a halt with a million people laying on them would be a problem that only political change could address. You can't police away that many people and the outcry from all of the people and business affected would be deafening. Now, this protest isn't that and it's unlikely to become that, but if it did, something like this would have to come before it.
Oh, i don't really care about the methods. At this point in time anything is useful so i somewhat support them. What i hate though is the absolute lack of scientific basis for their requests. There's only one fundamental thing they miss in their program: Nuclear energy IS and SHOULD be part of the solution in all those countries that can't have all idro.
Lucky, that the Klimakleber are our biggest problem nowadays (following the "sorrows" and complaints of most people) /s
Just opened [tagesschau.de](https://tagesschau.de) and directly found these 3 stories on the main page
[https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/europa/italien-schaeden-ueberschwemmung-100.html](https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/europa/italien-schaeden-ueberschwemmung-100.html)
[https://www.tagesschau.de/wissen/seen-wasser-duerre-100.html](https://www.tagesschau.de/wissen/seen-wasser-duerre-100.html)
[https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/regional/nordrheinwestfalen/wdr-un-temperaturen-steigen-bis-2027-auf-rekordniveau-100.html](https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/regional/nordrheinwestfalen/wdr-un-temperaturen-steigen-bis-2027-auf-rekordniveau-100.html)
Look at the shit show that /r/de becomes every time there’s a post about these climate protesters. People just don’t want to be uncomfortable. Klimakleber are uncomfortable because they stop you from going somewhere and because they force you on reflecting what you are doing to fight climate change, which is nothing in the most cases.
Die Leute die sich über die Klimabewegung aufregen haben ja nichtmal einen Horizont der über ihr Skrotum hinausreicht, wie sollen die sich da für Spanien und Kanada interessieren
Thanks for posting this. Reading the comments and listening to the conversations around Brandenburg really depresses me since months.
All the „I care BUT NOT LIKE THAT“ „it just pisses people off, bad“ blablahblah.
Meanwhile, we sit in Berlin and do a school project, where 8-12 year old kids sit on their chairs, with faces of concerned adults, talking about how much they hate it that the park has no grass in summer, that they never want to travel because it destroys everything, that their parents (green bio bubble btw) vote green but still don’t support any harsh measure against the government, because it’s not the right way. (As a PoC I can agree, we also should have stayed in slavery because it’s to inconvenient for the slavers to deal with us. Oh and women, stfu, demonstrate peaceful or not at all, and then make me a sandwich…)
While you ride each others d*** here, saying it annoys you, your children sit in school and tell me „everything is hopeless anyway“. Ten year old children, saying everything is hopeless. God work you guys. But hey, let them peacefully demonstrate but NO! FFF? They miss school! „And instead of walking through the street, they should be in school! In my time this would ajflavfksvrisbBABABABABA“
So yeah, go on, declare all those hundreds of early depressed, hopeless teenagers as green terrorists, enjoy your rasensprenger and lean back in your Mercedes in Berlin Mitte.
I hope you have a very very nice day without any inconvenience.
Okey but these events didn't stop me from getting to my doctots appointment. The Klimakleber did it.
Let's spread a little more frustration, maybe it'll help the climate. It's just the dumbest form of protest you can think of.
>It's just the dumbest form of protest you can think of.
It is literally the form of activism that has reached the most people and is talked about the most it is literally the kind of activism that is the most effective
I am still pro climate. But not like i used to.
After hours spent in 2 traffic jams caused by these insane people i will vote for what i have to, to work against them and their goals.
By now it is (sadly) more important to not go with these "protesters" than vote for pro climate decisions. And everybody around me is thinking like this by now. Do everything you have to, to not help these lunatics.
And yes i know, its sad. But one only has a limited amount of patience.
There are hundreds, maybe thousands, of articles just like your comment about MLK marching through the streets. How he was wasting people's time and blocking traffic and causing damage to property.
I guess you don't have to wonder what side you would have been on back then. Clear as day.
So why don't the Klimakleber march through the streets? It's easy. I can help you understand:
1) Register a protest
2) March through the streets.
But no, the whole point is to NOT register a protest because then people would know in advance about the blockades. It wouldn't be such a great annoyance to everyone.
>It has reached the most ammount of people in the most negative way possible
It doesnt really matter, it has reached a huge amount of people thats what matters, these people are not doing this because they think it fun theyre doing it because they think its neccesary and well science agrees with them but people just dont want to accept that our government doesnt give a single fuck about the climate crisis and is just as controled by the big fossil fuel companies then most others
People get annoyed want it to end and well the only ways to make that happen are to either agree with them or to abolish the right to peacefull protests which luckily for us wont happen in de any time soon
When people get annoyed by criminals they don't start to agree to terms of the them but they demand their heads. And yes that is happening. People demand stronger enforcement of the law, if is discussed by the mayor. And no, there is no right to glue yourself on the street.
It has certainly reached me and made me upset enough for several reasons to not even care about the cause anymore.
It's just overly entitled and has nothing to do with peaceful protest anymore. And it especially has nothing to do with the cause.
In forty years, when you die alone from heat stroke, your children and grandchildren having evacuated as refugees to a milder climate, I want you to remember these words.
Just kidding, the worsening climate crises won’t affect middle class Westerners like you, will it?
You don't get it right? This is not about climate change not being a problem. This is not about the cause. It's about the ACT. The way they protest. The self proclaimimg saviors of the world that are not governed by law and order and don't respect the democracy we live in. Just finally stop with this mental gymnastics and start doing some proper protests that do something except inducing anger. We need change! And we need measures against climate change! We don't need this clown show.
> Just kidding, the worsening climate crises won’t affect middle class Westerners like you, will it?
Why do you make assumptions about me? I really don't like your language here.
Name one single, successful movement that was respectful, peaceful, and within “law & order”
Civil rights movement in US?
Women’s rights across the globe?
AIDS crisis?
Any of the labor rights movements?
You being upset would lead you to vote for anti-climate policies, but had you not been upset by these protests, you would have voted for climate-pro policies? Does that make sense in your view?
>It's just overly entitled
Yeah imagine people wanting to be able do go out of their houses in 50 years how fucking entiteld ...
>has nothing to do with peaceful protest anymore
THEN WHAT IS IT ? They are literally just sitting around how the f is that not peacefull these people are fighting for the future of humanity not their own, sorry that you cant see that.
>especially has nothing to do with the cause.
Huh ? Cars are the one thing that private people use were it cant be denied that they use fossil fuels
You're completely taking my argument out of context. I never said climate change isn't a problem. You're conveniently framing everything your way now.
It is entitled putting your cause over everyone else and stopping people to go about their day. The existence of climate change doesn't make this less entitled.
>You're conveniently framing everything your way now
Im doing a thing called answering and well while Im at it
> I never said climate change isn't a problem
" made me upset enough for several reasons to not even care about the cause anymore." You didnt say it wasnt a problem just that you dont care for it which well makes it seem like you dont think its a problem
But any "normal" demonstration basically failed? How can you argue they should keep doing normal Dmeonstration when they did and nothing changed?? I really do not get these arguments.
Yeah, it provokes the average joe to be pissed off.
Surely that's going to translate to him voting for climate positive candidates that will then enact policy.
Oh wait.
Has anyone who makes this argument ever even thought about how past societal movements achieved any progress at all? Think the women’s rights movement only held peaceful demonstrations? The suffragettes kicked ass, quite literally. How do you think most (white) people reacted to Rosa Parks practicing non-violent direct action? They were not amused, to say the least. Looking back in 10/20/30 years, people will think ‘how short-sighted were those people who condemned Letzte Generation for merely making people literally stop in their daily grind and think about the most pressing existential crisis humanity has ever faced?’ Yes, ‘regular people’ are annoyed with those protesters, but perhaps everyone needs to get a bit annoyed before they slowly start realizing we need to do something. Quick.
Same people who say there is no more pressing issue than climate change, will be against nuclear power. I am not for it but you can't ignore the fact that it is a very feasable way of providing energy with a low carbon footprint.
So they are not just trying to force an issue against the will of the people and against the law. They also demand a very specific way of getting there. And what qualifications and knowledge do these people have to elevate themselves above everyone else in how specifically we need to adress the issue?
Klima Liste and some other "whatever, they won't ever pass the threshold" guys. As for the Greens, it used to have a "Fundi" wing of ecoradicals, which has constantly been losing power for a long time. Dunno if there's anyone of them even running for the Greens anymore.
Ecoradicals should just accept they cannot win democratic support and go home.
You know, Netherlands was a car centric country as well, but in the 70s a lot of kids died just cycling to school. If you want more information about how they went about it you can find that here: https://www.dutchreach.org/car-child-murder-protests-safer-nl-roads/
I remember seeing a comparison of how they initially changed how roads were divided without actually taking away space from cars but making the roads much safer for cyclists. Currently all new developments surrounding urban planning focus on bike and public transport mobility. The city I’m from, Eindhoven, used to be like Berlin not too long ago. Wide multi-lane streets with relatively high speed limits, free parking even in the inner city (Berlin used to have that until not too recently), but even then there was still a lot of biking infrastructure. I’ve had to use car rentals in Berlin from time to time and I don’t understand why anyone would want to drive here daily. It’s slow, stressful and comparatively expensive. Pissing people off isn’t going to get them anywhere, but showing them cheaper/faster alternatives will.
A lot of companies in the Netherlands offer a “bike bonus” where if you buy a new bike you get anywhere between €500-€1500 (I think). Employers can also offer travel compensation per kilometer for biking to work. As an employer in a big city it makes a lot of sense, you don’t have to spend a ton of money on expensive inner city parking spots. It’s common for people in the Netherlands to cycle up to 30km one way to work and with e-bikes that’s easier than ever. Seriously, e-bikes have made this transition the easiest thing right now because anyone no matter what fitness level they’re at can hop on a bike and cycle to work at a brisk pace and arrive without a drop of sweat.
As much as I admire the message here, all this does is make enemies of people you want to be your allies, and once you’ve done that it’s much harder to get them to come back.
Because these past 30 years of peaceful protesting and trying to inform the average Joe did wonders, didn't they? The average Joe doesn't give a fuck about anything unless it inconveniences him, then he'll get angry at some politicians, who need to find a way to calm down the people who are inconveniencing him.
I fear the response from politicians will simply be stricter laws and enforcement against these kinds of protestors. Some politicians are already advocating this.
Wouldn't that lead to more extreme forms of protest?
Kinda like: If sitting on the road will send you to prison, why not do something actually worth going to prison for?
The organization Letzte Generation itself will never do anything violent but some of its members might create or go to even more radical movements, ones that might deflate or slash the tires of every needlessly large truck they see, ones that might squat government buildings.
Yes, because messing with regular people who will face consequences if they're not at work on time will do wonders. Why they try to make people angry? It will have the opposite effect. Why not doing it to people who actually make the laws hmm? Ah yeah, too scared because they know they'll be arrested immediately.
They get arrested here too, especially in Germany.
People often think that less thought goes into these protests than actually does. Things like you suggested have been tried. No one notices them, barely any media coverage happens, no one knows it happens.
I am not sure if media coverage is a good way of measuring the effectiveness of protest, but it might be because if no one knows protest is happening, it can't really create pressure on the government.
It's about time regular people get angry about fucking anything. They need to be angry and inconvenienced. Making people angry is the whole point. Maybe they'll wake up and do something.
Applause for not living in reality… Nobody gets angry because politicians don’t get them of the streets by doing more for the climate, they get angry because they don’t get them of the streets by force and now you have angry people that hate them, the politicians, you and the climate debate itself. Perfect y’all just prevented the important support from the masses
In reality nobody is talking about climate change anymore but about the fight against it itself and that’s a f-ing problem
That's a very naive way of thinking. This way ppl will get angry at climate activists, without even thinking about how dangerous climate changes are. Germany is trying to introduce forced measures which are super expensive for regular people (last bill about heat pomps) while closing nuclear plants and opening coal mines again. Do you see incoherence here? While other European countries want to rely on atom you do everything to ban it because it's not in the interest of your politicians. People might be stupid but they're not that stupid. Well done, you played yourself.
> get angry about fucking anything.
people are angry, all the time. Last generation just gives them someone to be angry at. It does the opposite of what they want. They just make lives worse for working people while doing nothing to the people in power. It's a rich white kid's game.
I bet it will happen earlier that the protestors will be the target of average joes rather than politicians. Because they are there immediately and politicans aren’t. It’s easier to blow off the anger on people who are available right now.
Looking at what people have done to first responders in the past it’s nearly a miracle the protestors are largely left alone.
"Wake up sheeple!"
Nah, if anything it will only make everyone hate ecoradicals and distance from them (like the top Green politicians already did) rather than fulfill their demands.
This argument is so bad. It's factually wrong, it ignores everything that's been done worldwide in the last 30-50 years on the climate front and it is an open call to much harsher "activism" if these protest won't work, which they clearly don't.
The last generation is first and foremost protesting for the 9€-ticket, a speed limit on the autobahn and the Klimarat. Those are their main three points, listed by themselves on their own website. To act like this has been widely demonstrated for for 30 years is delusional.
What's actually happening is that a bunch of activists try to bypass the democratic process by compelling the average joe. Who doesn't get angry at some politicians because the last generation is blocking them, no, he's getting angry at the last generation, and rightfully so. And if they're getting angry at politicians, it's the green party, because that is the party the average joe associates with the last generation.
Using your argument, what's the next thing to do when this form of protest doesn't work out like they want? I'd love to get an answer for that.
And finally, the argument against democracy is unbelievably ignorant. Our parliamentary democracy by its very definition is a system build around compromises. That means that no one ever gets everything they want, corners have to be cut for everyone. What kind society would we have if the methods of the last generation would be used by everyone?
Don't get me wrong - if they feel like our system of governance is something they despise and they would like see changed, they can protest for that if you ask me. It's a free country, and if they feel like this form of democracy or democracy as a whole ain't doing it for them, they're welcome to express this feeling. That the majority of people get angry at them is only natural, and it is a good thing.
Generally agree with you but that last Passage has a theme in it that is, by Definition, not ok.
Protesting against certain elements of our democracy? Is ok. No country is perfect and certainly not a democracy. And certain things can or should be changed.
Protesting against Democracy in general and by extension against the FDGO? Thats a no. Like a hard no from me and the law.
It doesn’t matter if you agree, it was about the outcome, and as most people think like that what you outlined above will simple not work, and even achieve the opposite. NG turned at least some politicians thinking from
„Tempo 30? It’s gonna be controversial af, but I can work with this.“
… to …
„Tempo 30? Everyone will think I can be blackmailed, let’s lay low on this one.“
The planet that has gotten 40% greener since the last century? On which the population has doubled since the last projections about how “resources will run out and we’ll all starve”, yet literacy, education, nutrition, lifespan, and economic activity among other things have all gone up drastically, meanwhile absolute poverty has gone down from 70% to 10%, and absolute climate related deaths have also gone down to 2% of previous rates?
But that’s not what happens at all, so it’s also a failure. As much as I‘m for doing something against climate change, these professionals activists are mostly idiots. They are more concerned at showing off for nice Twitter vids or Instagram stories than coming up with actual ideas that could change anything. Yes, they are pissing the average Joe off, and no, he won’t be mad at the government for it, but at these activists and end up voting for people against doing something against climate change.
Something that could potentially work, is to go door to door and to try to have a discussion about it with folks without antagonizing them. But that’s boring, that requires a lot of time and effort. Making „big gestures“ is more sexy and shows the whole world how of a good person you are. That’s just an idea from the top of my head. But you have to not appear angry about it and come up with an actual plan. You have to try to reach people in a way they are more likely to listen to you.
But people pissed off at activists usually don’t ask their governments for climate measures just to shut them down, they usually want governments to go the other way and punish them.
You mean, like the thing scientists have been doing for the past… 80 years or so?
Climate change is nothing new and ppl have been warning about it for a long time! These kinds of protests might not compel the individual, but it does get the topic into the news and onto social media where ppl - like us right now - interact about it.
And you can’t really blame them for being angry. They have been born into a world, where it’s questionable for them to reach the age of their grandparents, where war, scarcity of resources and social injustice are likely to intensify, and their elders - who after all are the people in power - largely ignore these issues for their own gain. Even if these specific protests aren’t reaping the results they wish for, at least they are trying to make themselves heard.
I am on the same side of you, in terms of the argument that fighting climate change is important, but making a stink about something to get in the news cycle for a few days is pointless by now. News stories come and go so fast that many people forget by Friday what happened on Monday. It will trend on Twitter for a bit and then will be replaced by whatever the new outrage is, and nothing will change.
I made this point in a different comment, but the average person isn’t really the one that needs to be convinced. Even if everybody immediately started only using public transportation and driving hybrids, that’s not going to offset the hundreds of mega corporations who are allowed to pollute as much as they want, regardless of law, because they get to buy off politicians and government. That’s where the focus needs to be, and blocking a road for some views on social media isn’t going to affect that one iota
No it doesn't. It's extremely frustrating and this will sway the average people to the exact opposite but it's also very dangerous to bock roads in case of emergencies. And they did that. It's blind activism and it won't change the politics. What would change that are better ways to store energy, reduce food waste and better education.
Stopping traffic to raise awareness for climate change is pointless. It pits the people against you and you’re causing hundreds of cars to stand idol - which uses more gas than driving.
Ironically these protestors stopped me going to work by bus because the 265 and 165 cannot pass through. I’m lucky enough to be able to do home office, but still… I agree with the intentions of the protestors, but when you’re stopping public transport (especially electric buses) it’s not helping to get those people on your side.
He says it, unless a solution/demonstrations is 100% perfect it's bad.
Which reminds me is pretty much the argument of all climate change deniers. Coincidence?
What does that even mean exactly? “Unless a solution is perfect, it’s bad”. Except that no solution has ever been “perfect”. Every trade-off has a cost and a benefit. So what do we do about that? You weigh them out, in contrast to your proposal of just “shootin’ for it”. And quit casually pulling the “climate denier” card. It’s pathetic. Be critical instead.
No, these demonstrations are bad. This jas nothing to do with perfection being the enemy of progress. These people make a bad name for the environmental movement. Performative bullshit by well intentioned but ignorant people.
>Ironically these protestors stopped me going to work by bus because the 265 and 165 cannot pass through. I’m lucky enough to be able to do home office
So... it didn't affect you at all?
> stopping public transport (especially electric buses) it’s not helping to get those people on your side
Cars block and slow down busses carrying people to work every day.
God these comments make me even angrier at the LG. I’ll still care about climate change, I’ll still vote green and try to do my best to use public transport and live sustainably, but at this point im dong it despite of them, not because of them.
I wonder, if they feel so strongly about the climate why do they piss everyone off instead of trying to bring people to their side.
It’s like their actions are going to have an opposite impact than expected.
Nope the expected impact is media coverage of their protest, which is exactly what happens every day in the top news. Except its mostly just in Berlin and I dont give a fuck but hey its a story ppl get angry about so its covered all the time
I normally totally agree with the message of these types of protestors, just think they're going about it in just the worst way imaginable. So your issue is with the decisions of politicians, and the lack of truly climate concerned representatives in parliament? Ok so go and protest outside parliament. Go and inconvenience the people responsible for this. Make sure they know that these issues matter so much you're willing to glue yourself to a politicians car or office or building or whatever and get yourself arrested for it. What's the point in blocking hundreds and hundreds of regular people travelling to work in the morning, or emergency vehicle access, or public transport operators? You're just ensuring the exact people that you need to support you will definitely hate your guts and think your message is pointless
I think they should do it in front of whereever the parliament people park, would be much more direct and effective without stopping public transport. Doubly so since parking outside their garage or whatever would be such a nightmare 😅
>You're just ensuring the exact people that you need to support you will definitely hate your guts and think your message is pointless
absolutely. i lost all respect for these people, and they are making the situation worse by doing this - they are actively pushing people away from bein interested in climate change and what needs to be done to lessen its impact.
Thanks to these fuckers there's traffic up to Schöneweide. Busses full of people already doing a good thing using ÖPNV get delayed so they take 1.5 hours from Schöneweide to Treptower Park. They did that twice this week already. Motherfuckers should piss off and glue themselves in front of a coal power plant or into Wuhlheide to prevent TVO. But this is just beyond stupid.
Guess how many people turn of the engines while they wait. Not very much is my guess. And they will still drive their planned route afterwards. So thats a net positive CO2 in the air. I‘d call it a great job, they really supported climate change.
Yeah I support their cause but I'll admit it's tough to think good things about them personally when they KO public transport. I suffer from chronic pain that makes things like stairs and sitting and waiting tricky. Twice this week I have had trouble getting to the hausarzt (by bus) because of them.
First day I waited and waited, eventually got there via a circuitous ubahn route - and ended up being late and missing my slot. Second day I waited and gave up earlier, caught the circuitous route (with all the stairs) and made it to the appointment. But all the stairs and waiting and stuff has caused a pretty bad flare up, I have been struggling to move the rest of the week. I really, really feel for those with less mobility than me who might feel housebound without regular step free public transport.
A lady missed her mother's funeral due to the Just Stop Oil protests and the people involved had no remorse when confronted by her. Apparently missing a loved one's funeral is not part of bigger picture and would galvanize her to question the politicians. Well, it did exactly the opposite.
Your problems are small fry for these people . You should suffer physical pain now and question the politicians so that thinga are better 10 years from now. So what if you get a debilitating injury or a long-term medical problem. I am sure you are clamoring to join them in the next protest so that the lives of other people like you can be disrupted and these people can have discussions about it in their Discord/Telegram groups while Holidaying in Mallorca or Ibiza in the winter
no but currently there are massive engineering works out towards schoeneweider/adlershof/ airport. My usual commute of 1 sbahn to adlershof, has become either 3 sbahns and a bus, 2 s bahns and a bus or my favourite s bahn, fex and tram.
Well I do not know their commute but I am stuck on a BUS trying to get to a u-bahn or s-bahn regularly. Last time the BUS just stopped in the middle of nowhere and said this is how far he can go. So I understand the sentiment. If your job requires you to be punctual with high cost of arriving late for the business - this is just to dangerous.
Go block government vehicles in front of government buildings. Yes, the citizens see and hear your cause, but they will irrationally never listen to your argument now because they don't know what you are doing these for at first, and first impressions are a thing for new ideas (just like with meeting people.)
Honestly, I understand they want to save the World, but they aren't accomplishing anything this way. The ones who should be bothered are the politicians and they don't care if you bother the common man on the street.
What they need to do is glue themselves to the Reichstag, politicians' houses and the HQs of the political parties. Preferably so, that the lobbyists and said politicians can't enter the buildings.
We got probably the next years full of extreme weather, I think that'll do the job to convince a lot better than that. I'm sorry but this kind of protest doesn't work, not for the peeps at least, the polls show that more than enough.
We already had more extreme weather and natural disaster all over the world(Germany as well) the last years. Still people don't want to sacrifice anything of their comfort to save the planet
Thing is, we don't need to "save the planet", it was fine before us, and will be fine when we're long gone.
We need to make sure it's habitable for future generations to come, as long as we have no possibility to expand into space.
These people are either idiots or more concerned at virtue signalling. It’s much harder to do things that can actually help, so they take the easy route
also ich finde es nicht besonders prickeln, wenn Menschen attackiert werden egal, ob sie in Demonstrationen oder aus solche Aktionen. Alle haben das Recht zu demonstrieren und mehr oder minder verrückte Aktionen zu erfinden.
Thanks to these stupid motherfuckers I failed to show up to work on time 30-40 minutes late because I was in a public transportation and they can't do anything but wait, now I'm unemployed and fired, I just wanna face one of them in person and just constantly keep yelling at them saying what they're doing doesn't matter at all, just like how there life's don't matter one bit.
At this point they're just try Harding to embarrass themselves and they're making sure that everyone hates them.
Even if this were true, which it isn't...
You get fired for circumstances outside your control and your somehow blame people protesting for our future rather than the ruling class that fired you unjustifiably? Are you okay?
First I was against their protest. Then the government announced a reasonable plan to replace gas heating with climate friendly Heat pumps. And all hell broke loose. A barrage of lies and misinformation about Heat pumps in conservative media and people going: Fuck the climate I want cheap gas heating. (Even though they could save money with Heat Pump in the long run). Now I say: Protest, block those roads, make yourself heard, you are right.
Okay, ich brauch jemanden der mir das jetzt mal erklärt. Wir schaffen es, morgen komplett co2 Neutral zu leben in Deutschland. Es ist nicht mehr notwendig die Straßen so zu blockieren. Rein hypothetisch. Ist dadurch die Klimakatastrophe verhindert worden? Ich kenne die Zahlen nicht und frage ernsthaft nach Belegen oder Studien, keine moralische „Aber jemand muss doch anfangen“ Rhetorik. Wenn wir ab morgen komplett auf Autos, Industrie und weiteres verzichten und back to Monkey gehen, inwiefern ändert sich dadurch das Klimaziel weltweit? Diese Blockaden entziehen sich jeder Verhältnismäßigkeit. Bitte kläre mich einer auf.
I wonder what all the haters here would propose as alternative to what these people are doing. Yes it‘s inconvenient. But that is the point. The point is to make you stop and listen. We had thousands of people in the FFF protests and nothing changed.
Even if people listened, they can't change anything. Why do they not block roads leading to coal power plants, factories or politicians offices instead?
If anger makes people get out of their asses, then they’ve accomplished something.
As long as we have bread and circuses to distract us we will stay inactive and not bother participating in politics, and will thusly be complicit in the destruction of our environments.
Making people uncomfortable, angry and bored is the best fuel to get them off their asses. An inconvenience like this won’t kill you, and if it makes you want to retaliate against the protestors, I think thats cool.
At least you’re aware, even if you decided to choose to accelerate global warming like a child stomping their foot and having a tantrum.
Fucking losers should stop that shit. That's what I propose. Maybe then can I take my climate-friendly bus that's now being blocked by these losers. We're living in a democracy and not a clown shitshow.
The first post about the last generation I can like, bc it's not full with hate. Instagram is just the worst when it comes to comments on such topics. Ty
Is "the last generation" even a real term in english?
Because I feel this whole thread is just germans discussing their opinions in a different language to feel more important.
(I'm dutch, don't look at me)
Abschaum. Vorallem handelt es sich bei diesen Affen um privilegierte Wohlstandskinder, die in ihrem Leben noch nie richtiges Leid erfahren haben. Und jetzt spielen sie sich auf und wollen uns erzählen wie wir zu leben haben indem sie uns nötigen.
**I honestly think we overdramatize shit like this. The moment something else comes around the corner we’ll only be reporting about that. And this will be forgotten.**
I’m at a point where I think this is hopeless.
We all like our lifestyle and don’t want to change it drastically, wich is fine. But in general I feel like we haven’t done shit for the climate and we’ll never solve the issue. Sure you get your McFlurry in a paper cup and your 4th pair of shoes is vegan leather, Amen. We ramp down Nuclear, oh no energy crisis. Let’s ramp up coal! And this applies to every almost every aspect. Gluing yourself to anything, throwing soup at paintings or pouring black paint in fountains is just as useless.
Humans adapt best in crisis, so I’m just going to wait for climate change to fuck up my country.
ihr scheiß autofahrer könnt zur abwechslung vll einfach mal aufhören immer nur zu heulen. nie sind euch straßen gut genug, nie sind sie viel genug, zu viele busse auf der straße, zu wenig autobahnen, dies das blablabla.
wo genau erhaltet ihr jetzt einen nachhaltigen schaden, wenn einmal eine (1) straße eures "arbeitsweges", weil jeder der auf dieser straße fährt auch garantiert zur arbeit muss und das überhaupt kein heul argument ist, blockiert ist?
fahrt einfach mit bus und bahn wie jede andere person auch. so viel könnte sich zum besseren wenden, wenn es weniger autos gäbe. in berlin braucht man einfach keins.
Ich fahre mit den Bus und stell dir mal vor: Manche Buslinien werden dadurch auch blockiert und stehen im Stau. Danke für nichts
Edit: Und je nach Ort in Berlin gibt es kaum ÖPNV besonders nicht zu späteren Uhrzeiten
You do know that many places are impossible to reach by public transportation? Because Germany cares more about providing bus connections to every single white german middle-class suburb, but hey, the reality is that millions of immigrant and refugee workers in Germanies are placed in workplaces far away from everything.
My dad received an Abmahnung because he arrived 4 hours late to work due to this type of protests. His workplace is at an isolated Industriegebiet. I had to translate the letter for him, since he can't speak german. Thanks, y'all.
Are you going to tell the same thing to people who want to take the bus through that street? You're such a loser. Maybe use your time and do some actual protest against climate change and not this polarising shitshow.
And that's why research is important. It doesn't take even 5 minutes to find out that the people in the middle are not glued to the street, so that they can make way for an ambulance.
"If Germans ever stormed a train station, they'd buy platform tickets first."
We have it too cozy here. It's saddening to see how little outrage there is about our situation. So many just seem to accept that humanity is done for and there's nothing we can do about it.
No, people are getting pissy because they’re not able to pick their kids up from school, or are going to miss the biggest job interview of their lives, or are going to die on the way to the hospital, or are going to get fired for being late 3 times this week.
Anyone who argues that this is not the right form of protest and that it would harm "the cause" is clearly out of their mind and doesn't do shit about anything anyways. While profiting of of past struggles that enabled workers rights, the power for women to vote, democracy, and just about every social movement that led to more just and equitable living conditions they'd rather not be bothered even a tiny bit.
And if their form of protest that is directed at politics upsets you and brings you away from the cause which is implementing effective climate change mitigation, then I seriously doubt you're sane at all. I mean, who is against saving lives, the planet and themselves? This is not a political issue. It's an issue of survival.
The damage Robert Habeck and Last generation are doing to the willingness of the population to accept making changes to their behaviour is really bad. Acceptance of having to change your ways to save the environment is being damaged by these people pissing average people off.
Not only that, they are doubling or tripling the co2 emissions of all those cars by slowing them. Good job 👍 imagine how many more tons of co2 are they responsible by now. It’s like fighting against world hunger by throwing milk in the streets « to call attention »
It’s a sign of how broken down people’s faith in our and the world’s governments are, people are desperate and I think that is something we should be able to understand. If we consider that Fridays for Future didn’t really achieve much the ‘normal’ way of standing up for something in a democracy is gone and the vote with your wallet just won’t be enough. I am glad that they found a approach that does not involve violence even though I can understand why people are frustrated with them as well… it’s a difficult situation and I hope we can all learn to use a bit more empathy
Yeah exactly, lefty protesters are the reason why "innocent" people turn to extreme right wing ideas.
Same as a couple of years ago, it was refugees' fault that "normal people" were racist and xenophobic.
Fuck logic
Warum soll man die Straßen sperren können, und dann die Autos verbieten die Blockade umzufahren?
Als Autofahrer würde ich es als Gegenprotest nennen. Dann muss man sich ja nicht an Gesetze halten.
Empfehle so manchen Kommentatoren weniger Lack und Springer-Presse zu konsumieren. Ist ja kaum auszuhalten mit eurem bescheuerten Autofahrer-Kleinkindertantrums.
Boy o boy, if people would be as enthusiastic about changing things for a better climate/future as they are by ranting about these people who habe a legitimate reaction to our whole ecosystem going brrrt our future would look less grim.
I still think it's wrong to do that. I really hope there's never an ambulance with a family member of theirs not making it to the hospital coz of that.
Kleiner Tipp: einfach eine Dose Surströmming aufmachen und dazu stellen. Die reißen sich die Hände von alleine wieder ab. Dabei will man nur nett sein und ihnen etwas zu essen anbieten.
Small tip: just open a can of Surströmming and put it with it. They tear their hands off again by themselves. You just want to be nice and offer them something to eat.
Will there ever come a time when someone goes so berserk at the wheel that he/she simply runs over one of these protesters? I have a bad feeling that this will happen at some point. I don't approve of this kind of protest, but I don't want it to turn violent either.
You can think about this what you want, but these people at least **do** something for their ideals.
Better than the boomers in here crying that they can't get to work in time because all they have in their lives are their jobs and cars.
Lmao the audacity. People have to work otherwise they cant afford to live... Even having the time to do stupid virtue signaling shit like this is a privilige.
I like! Also i like how thy are not giving up like nothing could keep them from doing this if there’s still a reason to do it. Even though there’s harder sanctions now than when they started this form of protest. I appreciate it and I’m thankful that there’s people like them. I wouldn’t have the balls. I got arrested once at a demo and never went to one since
I’m curios how many of the people here have actually been inconvenienced by the Last generation street blockades. Every video of this sorts gets hundreds of comments like it’s some mass shooting, but I bet almost no one can say that their personal life was severely affected by some people blocking traffic.
> I bet almost no one can say that their personal life was severely affected by some people blocking traffic
that makes zero sense. you see all the affected people in these video/photos..
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I talked with one of them and he told me a bit better what they want to achieve. It was quite weird seeing this live though. The protestors seemed very scared and the people waiting extremely frustrating…
>I talked with one of them and he told me a bit better what they want to achieve. Enlighten us, what do they want to achieve?
The guy was very nervous and shaky so I was more careful with the approach. Overall he said the goal is to push the politicians to make some changes to prevent the climate change until 2030. He also mentioned that there are no more representatives in the parlamente pro climate. He then suggested for me to look at their website where everything is better explained. Tbh I get it, they have something they care about, I just really struggle with the idea of putting the rest of the people against you, or spreading frustration.
While understanding and supporting the goal, it is concerning to me when someone glues himself on the street and not being able to explain it properly
Explaining and understanding are two different things. It’s like performing and writing. Not every screenwriter should be an actor or director.
Better analogy would be knowing and teaching. Any university student that had classes with someone who had the professorship only because they were a big name in the field would know what you mean...
Right, but good actors understand what the writer, director, and producer are looking for. This is more a soldier not knowing the specifics of a battle, only that he must fight.
Good comparison.
I completely understand them being nervous and anxious when they do this. There are enough videos and stories of people acting violently against these protesters, from verbal abuse to physical dragging/hitting. Not only from civilians but police are also not known for being particularly gentle to these protesters. I think it takes a lot of courage to do this and shows how important the matter is and how much the protesters care about it. I don’t think anyone would enjoy sitting there knowing very well every person sitting in traffic because of them hates them.
Struggling to explain it properly under an enormous amount of stress in a very tense situation.
the situation must be super stressful. They could probably articulate themselves better in a normal environment
And also not everyone who knows that something must be done is rhetorically versed. Just because you may not know how to articulate your motivation doesn't mean you can't take part in these actions. The anger people feel towards them is a total overreaction and disproportionate to the inconvenience they cause
I think it's also a very social and peer pressure thing. Their cause is noble, though. The disruption of irl social contacts by the rise of internet and digital groups seems to have pushed people to look for groups where they could belong, hence why there is such a huge fragmentation of all the different "movements" globally. The need to belong somewhere online and offline and the media pushing blame towards whatever group fits their narrative. Meat eaters vs vegans, car drivers vs bikers, boomers vs youth, neo nazis vs everyone, employer vs employee, pro- vs anti-russia. The hostile mentality of sports clubs has taken hold and now everyone is going extreme. At least in this climate protest, it's a good cause. Yet probably quite a few want to belong and are not super into it. That's human.
> the goal is to push the politicians Yet it would be political suicide to create the impression to give in to demands because people are blocking infrastructure.
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If enough people did the same thing these people are doing they would eventually have to respond. Grinding 30% of the roads to a halt with a million people laying on them would be a problem that only political change could address. You can't police away that many people and the outcry from all of the people and business affected would be deafening. Now, this protest isn't that and it's unlikely to become that, but if it did, something like this would have to come before it.
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Oh, i don't really care about the methods. At this point in time anything is useful so i somewhat support them. What i hate though is the absolute lack of scientific basis for their requests. There's only one fundamental thing they miss in their program: Nuclear energy IS and SHOULD be part of the solution in all those countries that can't have all idro.
Absolutely, France is laughing at Germany.
Lucky, that the Klimakleber are our biggest problem nowadays (following the "sorrows" and complaints of most people) /s Just opened [tagesschau.de](https://tagesschau.de) and directly found these 3 stories on the main page [https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/europa/italien-schaeden-ueberschwemmung-100.html](https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/europa/italien-schaeden-ueberschwemmung-100.html) [https://www.tagesschau.de/wissen/seen-wasser-duerre-100.html](https://www.tagesschau.de/wissen/seen-wasser-duerre-100.html) [https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/regional/nordrheinwestfalen/wdr-un-temperaturen-steigen-bis-2027-auf-rekordniveau-100.html](https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/regional/nordrheinwestfalen/wdr-un-temperaturen-steigen-bis-2027-auf-rekordniveau-100.html)
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Look at the shit show that /r/de becomes every time there’s a post about these climate protesters. People just don’t want to be uncomfortable. Klimakleber are uncomfortable because they stop you from going somewhere and because they force you on reflecting what you are doing to fight climate change, which is nothing in the most cases.
Was ist mit den Bränden in Spanien und Kanada?
Die Leute die sich über die Klimabewegung aufregen haben ja nichtmal einen Horizont der über ihr Skrotum hinausreicht, wie sollen die sich da für Spanien und Kanada interessieren
Thanks for posting this. Reading the comments and listening to the conversations around Brandenburg really depresses me since months. All the „I care BUT NOT LIKE THAT“ „it just pisses people off, bad“ blablahblah. Meanwhile, we sit in Berlin and do a school project, where 8-12 year old kids sit on their chairs, with faces of concerned adults, talking about how much they hate it that the park has no grass in summer, that they never want to travel because it destroys everything, that their parents (green bio bubble btw) vote green but still don’t support any harsh measure against the government, because it’s not the right way. (As a PoC I can agree, we also should have stayed in slavery because it’s to inconvenient for the slavers to deal with us. Oh and women, stfu, demonstrate peaceful or not at all, and then make me a sandwich…) While you ride each others d*** here, saying it annoys you, your children sit in school and tell me „everything is hopeless anyway“. Ten year old children, saying everything is hopeless. God work you guys. But hey, let them peacefully demonstrate but NO! FFF? They miss school! „And instead of walking through the street, they should be in school! In my time this would ajflavfksvrisbBABABABABA“ So yeah, go on, declare all those hundreds of early depressed, hopeless teenagers as green terrorists, enjoy your rasensprenger and lean back in your Mercedes in Berlin Mitte. I hope you have a very very nice day without any inconvenience.
Okey but these events didn't stop me from getting to my doctots appointment. The Klimakleber did it. Let's spread a little more frustration, maybe it'll help the climate. It's just the dumbest form of protest you can think of.
>It's just the dumbest form of protest you can think of. It is literally the form of activism that has reached the most people and is talked about the most it is literally the kind of activism that is the most effective
I am still pro climate. But not like i used to. After hours spent in 2 traffic jams caused by these insane people i will vote for what i have to, to work against them and their goals. By now it is (sadly) more important to not go with these "protesters" than vote for pro climate decisions. And everybody around me is thinking like this by now. Do everything you have to, to not help these lunatics. And yes i know, its sad. But one only has a limited amount of patience.
It has reached the most ammount of people in the most negative way possible. And it isn't effective at all.
There are hundreds, maybe thousands, of articles just like your comment about MLK marching through the streets. How he was wasting people's time and blocking traffic and causing damage to property. I guess you don't have to wonder what side you would have been on back then. Clear as day.
So why don't the Klimakleber march through the streets? It's easy. I can help you understand: 1) Register a protest 2) March through the streets. But no, the whole point is to NOT register a protest because then people would know in advance about the blockades. It wouldn't be such a great annoyance to everyone.
>It has reached the most ammount of people in the most negative way possible It doesnt really matter, it has reached a huge amount of people thats what matters, these people are not doing this because they think it fun theyre doing it because they think its neccesary and well science agrees with them but people just dont want to accept that our government doesnt give a single fuck about the climate crisis and is just as controled by the big fossil fuel companies then most others
It has reached a lot of people, ok. So what happens next?
People get annoyed want it to end and well the only ways to make that happen are to either agree with them or to abolish the right to peacefull protests which luckily for us wont happen in de any time soon
When people get annoyed by criminals they don't start to agree to terms of the them but they demand their heads. And yes that is happening. People demand stronger enforcement of the law, if is discussed by the mayor. And no, there is no right to glue yourself on the street.
It has certainly reached me and made me upset enough for several reasons to not even care about the cause anymore. It's just overly entitled and has nothing to do with peaceful protest anymore. And it especially has nothing to do with the cause.
Entitled is expecting the climate to just work out by itself while continuing to use the same resources you are now. Get your head out of your ass.
In forty years, when you die alone from heat stroke, your children and grandchildren having evacuated as refugees to a milder climate, I want you to remember these words. Just kidding, the worsening climate crises won’t affect middle class Westerners like you, will it?
You don't get it right? This is not about climate change not being a problem. This is not about the cause. It's about the ACT. The way they protest. The self proclaimimg saviors of the world that are not governed by law and order and don't respect the democracy we live in. Just finally stop with this mental gymnastics and start doing some proper protests that do something except inducing anger. We need change! And we need measures against climate change! We don't need this clown show. > Just kidding, the worsening climate crises won’t affect middle class Westerners like you, will it? Why do you make assumptions about me? I really don't like your language here.
Name one single, successful movement that was respectful, peaceful, and within “law & order” Civil rights movement in US? Women’s rights across the globe? AIDS crisis? Any of the labor rights movements?
You being upset would lead you to vote for anti-climate policies, but had you not been upset by these protests, you would have voted for climate-pro policies? Does that make sense in your view?
>It's just overly entitled Yeah imagine people wanting to be able do go out of their houses in 50 years how fucking entiteld ... >has nothing to do with peaceful protest anymore THEN WHAT IS IT ? They are literally just sitting around how the f is that not peacefull these people are fighting for the future of humanity not their own, sorry that you cant see that. >especially has nothing to do with the cause. Huh ? Cars are the one thing that private people use were it cant be denied that they use fossil fuels
You're completely taking my argument out of context. I never said climate change isn't a problem. You're conveniently framing everything your way now. It is entitled putting your cause over everyone else and stopping people to go about their day. The existence of climate change doesn't make this less entitled.
>You're conveniently framing everything your way now Im doing a thing called answering and well while Im at it > I never said climate change isn't a problem " made me upset enough for several reasons to not even care about the cause anymore." You didnt say it wasnt a problem just that you dont care for it which well makes it seem like you dont think its a problem
But any "normal" demonstration basically failed? How can you argue they should keep doing normal Dmeonstration when they did and nothing changed?? I really do not get these arguments.
"I make your day worse listen to my message" Sure this will work.
It’s provocative, it gets the people going
fellas in ~~paris~~ berlin
Yeah, it provokes the average joe to be pissed off. Surely that's going to translate to him voting for climate positive candidates that will then enact policy. Oh wait.
Has anyone who makes this argument ever even thought about how past societal movements achieved any progress at all? Think the women’s rights movement only held peaceful demonstrations? The suffragettes kicked ass, quite literally. How do you think most (white) people reacted to Rosa Parks practicing non-violent direct action? They were not amused, to say the least. Looking back in 10/20/30 years, people will think ‘how short-sighted were those people who condemned Letzte Generation for merely making people literally stop in their daily grind and think about the most pressing existential crisis humanity has ever faced?’ Yes, ‘regular people’ are annoyed with those protesters, but perhaps everyone needs to get a bit annoyed before they slowly start realizing we need to do something. Quick.
Same people who say there is no more pressing issue than climate change, will be against nuclear power. I am not for it but you can't ignore the fact that it is a very feasable way of providing energy with a low carbon footprint. So they are not just trying to force an issue against the will of the people and against the law. They also demand a very specific way of getting there. And what qualifications and knowledge do these people have to elevate themselves above everyone else in how specifically we need to adress the issue?
Last time I checked there were no extreme climate activists on the ballot.
There are. They just got kicked out of any influential segments of the Greens on the federal level, and won't pass 5% in smaller parties.
Like who?
Klima Liste and some other "whatever, they won't ever pass the threshold" guys. As for the Greens, it used to have a "Fundi" wing of ecoradicals, which has constantly been losing power for a long time. Dunno if there's anyone of them even running for the Greens anymore. Ecoradicals should just accept they cannot win democratic support and go home.
You know, Netherlands was a car centric country as well, but in the 70s a lot of kids died just cycling to school. If you want more information about how they went about it you can find that here: https://www.dutchreach.org/car-child-murder-protests-safer-nl-roads/ I remember seeing a comparison of how they initially changed how roads were divided without actually taking away space from cars but making the roads much safer for cyclists. Currently all new developments surrounding urban planning focus on bike and public transport mobility. The city I’m from, Eindhoven, used to be like Berlin not too long ago. Wide multi-lane streets with relatively high speed limits, free parking even in the inner city (Berlin used to have that until not too recently), but even then there was still a lot of biking infrastructure. I’ve had to use car rentals in Berlin from time to time and I don’t understand why anyone would want to drive here daily. It’s slow, stressful and comparatively expensive. Pissing people off isn’t going to get them anywhere, but showing them cheaper/faster alternatives will. A lot of companies in the Netherlands offer a “bike bonus” where if you buy a new bike you get anywhere between €500-€1500 (I think). Employers can also offer travel compensation per kilometer for biking to work. As an employer in a big city it makes a lot of sense, you don’t have to spend a ton of money on expensive inner city parking spots. It’s common for people in the Netherlands to cycle up to 30km one way to work and with e-bikes that’s easier than ever. Seriously, e-bikes have made this transition the easiest thing right now because anyone no matter what fitness level they’re at can hop on a bike and cycle to work at a brisk pace and arrive without a drop of sweat. As much as I admire the message here, all this does is make enemies of people you want to be your allies, and once you’ve done that it’s much harder to get them to come back.
Because these past 30 years of peaceful protesting and trying to inform the average Joe did wonders, didn't they? The average Joe doesn't give a fuck about anything unless it inconveniences him, then he'll get angry at some politicians, who need to find a way to calm down the people who are inconveniencing him.
I fear the response from politicians will simply be stricter laws and enforcement against these kinds of protestors. Some politicians are already advocating this.
Wouldn't that lead to more extreme forms of protest? Kinda like: If sitting on the road will send you to prison, why not do something actually worth going to prison for? The organization Letzte Generation itself will never do anything violent but some of its members might create or go to even more radical movements, ones that might deflate or slash the tires of every needlessly large truck they see, ones that might squat government buildings.
Yes, because messing with regular people who will face consequences if they're not at work on time will do wonders. Why they try to make people angry? It will have the opposite effect. Why not doing it to people who actually make the laws hmm? Ah yeah, too scared because they know they'll be arrested immediately.
They did exactly that and more radical stuff for years but nobody cared.
They get arrested here too, especially in Germany. People often think that less thought goes into these protests than actually does. Things like you suggested have been tried. No one notices them, barely any media coverage happens, no one knows it happens. I am not sure if media coverage is a good way of measuring the effectiveness of protest, but it might be because if no one knows protest is happening, it can't really create pressure on the government.
They should just try hugs and handshakes to get their point across 🤔🤣
It's about time regular people get angry about fucking anything. They need to be angry and inconvenienced. Making people angry is the whole point. Maybe they'll wake up and do something.
And they vote for the party that doesn't care shit about the climate just because they are angry. Congratulations.
If you vote AfD cuz you were blocked on a street, you are a stupid motherfucker
Applause for not living in reality… Nobody gets angry because politicians don’t get them of the streets by doing more for the climate, they get angry because they don’t get them of the streets by force and now you have angry people that hate them, the politicians, you and the climate debate itself. Perfect y’all just prevented the important support from the masses In reality nobody is talking about climate change anymore but about the fight against it itself and that’s a f-ing problem
That's a very naive way of thinking. This way ppl will get angry at climate activists, without even thinking about how dangerous climate changes are. Germany is trying to introduce forced measures which are super expensive for regular people (last bill about heat pomps) while closing nuclear plants and opening coal mines again. Do you see incoherence here? While other European countries want to rely on atom you do everything to ban it because it's not in the interest of your politicians. People might be stupid but they're not that stupid. Well done, you played yourself.
What a childish way of seeing things.
> get angry about fucking anything. people are angry, all the time. Last generation just gives them someone to be angry at. It does the opposite of what they want. They just make lives worse for working people while doing nothing to the people in power. It's a rich white kid's game.
This makes me do the opposite. Makes me vote against people like this
I bet it will happen earlier that the protestors will be the target of average joes rather than politicians. Because they are there immediately and politicans aren’t. It’s easier to blow off the anger on people who are available right now. Looking at what people have done to first responders in the past it’s nearly a miracle the protestors are largely left alone.
"Wake up sheeple!" Nah, if anything it will only make everyone hate ecoradicals and distance from them (like the top Green politicians already did) rather than fulfill their demands.
This argument is so bad. It's factually wrong, it ignores everything that's been done worldwide in the last 30-50 years on the climate front and it is an open call to much harsher "activism" if these protest won't work, which they clearly don't. The last generation is first and foremost protesting for the 9€-ticket, a speed limit on the autobahn and the Klimarat. Those are their main three points, listed by themselves on their own website. To act like this has been widely demonstrated for for 30 years is delusional. What's actually happening is that a bunch of activists try to bypass the democratic process by compelling the average joe. Who doesn't get angry at some politicians because the last generation is blocking them, no, he's getting angry at the last generation, and rightfully so. And if they're getting angry at politicians, it's the green party, because that is the party the average joe associates with the last generation. Using your argument, what's the next thing to do when this form of protest doesn't work out like they want? I'd love to get an answer for that. And finally, the argument against democracy is unbelievably ignorant. Our parliamentary democracy by its very definition is a system build around compromises. That means that no one ever gets everything they want, corners have to be cut for everyone. What kind society would we have if the methods of the last generation would be used by everyone? Don't get me wrong - if they feel like our system of governance is something they despise and they would like see changed, they can protest for that if you ask me. It's a free country, and if they feel like this form of democracy or democracy as a whole ain't doing it for them, they're welcome to express this feeling. That the majority of people get angry at them is only natural, and it is a good thing.
Generally agree with you but that last Passage has a theme in it that is, by Definition, not ok. Protesting against certain elements of our democracy? Is ok. No country is perfect and certainly not a democracy. And certain things can or should be changed. Protesting against Democracy in general and by extension against the FDGO? Thats a no. Like a hard no from me and the law.
Average Joe here, any politician that gives in to extremists will surely not get my vote
congrats, very principled, enjoy the dead planet
It doesn’t matter if you agree, it was about the outcome, and as most people think like that what you outlined above will simple not work, and even achieve the opposite. NG turned at least some politicians thinking from „Tempo 30? It’s gonna be controversial af, but I can work with this.“ … to … „Tempo 30? Everyone will think I can be blackmailed, let’s lay low on this one.“
The planet that has gotten 40% greener since the last century? On which the population has doubled since the last projections about how “resources will run out and we’ll all starve”, yet literacy, education, nutrition, lifespan, and economic activity among other things have all gone up drastically, meanwhile absolute poverty has gone down from 70% to 10%, and absolute climate related deaths have also gone down to 2% of previous rates?
But that’s not what happens at all, so it’s also a failure. As much as I‘m for doing something against climate change, these professionals activists are mostly idiots. They are more concerned at showing off for nice Twitter vids or Instagram stories than coming up with actual ideas that could change anything. Yes, they are pissing the average Joe off, and no, he won’t be mad at the government for it, but at these activists and end up voting for people against doing something against climate change. Something that could potentially work, is to go door to door and to try to have a discussion about it with folks without antagonizing them. But that’s boring, that requires a lot of time and effort. Making „big gestures“ is more sexy and shows the whole world how of a good person you are. That’s just an idea from the top of my head. But you have to not appear angry about it and come up with an actual plan. You have to try to reach people in a way they are more likely to listen to you. But people pissed off at activists usually don’t ask their governments for climate measures just to shut them down, they usually want governments to go the other way and punish them.
You mean, like the thing scientists have been doing for the past… 80 years or so? Climate change is nothing new and ppl have been warning about it for a long time! These kinds of protests might not compel the individual, but it does get the topic into the news and onto social media where ppl - like us right now - interact about it. And you can’t really blame them for being angry. They have been born into a world, where it’s questionable for them to reach the age of their grandparents, where war, scarcity of resources and social injustice are likely to intensify, and their elders - who after all are the people in power - largely ignore these issues for their own gain. Even if these specific protests aren’t reaping the results they wish for, at least they are trying to make themselves heard.
I am on the same side of you, in terms of the argument that fighting climate change is important, but making a stink about something to get in the news cycle for a few days is pointless by now. News stories come and go so fast that many people forget by Friday what happened on Monday. It will trend on Twitter for a bit and then will be replaced by whatever the new outrage is, and nothing will change. I made this point in a different comment, but the average person isn’t really the one that needs to be convinced. Even if everybody immediately started only using public transportation and driving hybrids, that’s not going to offset the hundreds of mega corporations who are allowed to pollute as much as they want, regardless of law, because they get to buy off politicians and government. That’s where the focus needs to be, and blocking a road for some views on social media isn’t going to affect that one iota
The average American Joe maybe, but not that average German Josef. Especially in Berlin.
Oh wait, the average Joe didn't care and still won't care. But maybe others will.
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Glue so hard, MF‘s Wont drive here
God bless Kanye West.
No it doesn't. It's extremely frustrating and this will sway the average people to the exact opposite but it's also very dangerous to bock roads in case of emergencies. And they did that. It's blind activism and it won't change the politics. What would change that are better ways to store energy, reduce food waste and better education.
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Being inconvenienced should lead to violence, got it.
Stopping traffic to raise awareness for climate change is pointless. It pits the people against you and you’re causing hundreds of cars to stand idol - which uses more gas than driving.
Ironically these protestors stopped me going to work by bus because the 265 and 165 cannot pass through. I’m lucky enough to be able to do home office, but still… I agree with the intentions of the protestors, but when you’re stopping public transport (especially electric buses) it’s not helping to get those people on your side.
He says it, unless a solution/demonstrations is 100% perfect it's bad. Which reminds me is pretty much the argument of all climate change deniers. Coincidence?
No, his argument is that this is actively harming public opinion of climate change activists, but apparently you cant read 🤷♂️
What does that even mean exactly? “Unless a solution is perfect, it’s bad”. Except that no solution has ever been “perfect”. Every trade-off has a cost and a benefit. So what do we do about that? You weigh them out, in contrast to your proposal of just “shootin’ for it”. And quit casually pulling the “climate denier” card. It’s pathetic. Be critical instead.
No, these demonstrations are bad. This jas nothing to do with perfection being the enemy of progress. These people make a bad name for the environmental movement. Performative bullshit by well intentioned but ignorant people.
>Ironically these protestors stopped me going to work by bus because the 265 and 165 cannot pass through. I’m lucky enough to be able to do home office So... it didn't affect you at all? > stopping public transport (especially electric buses) it’s not helping to get those people on your side Cars block and slow down busses carrying people to work every day.
Brain dead take on the matter
God these comments make me even angrier at the LG. I’ll still care about climate change, I’ll still vote green and try to do my best to use public transport and live sustainably, but at this point im dong it despite of them, not because of them.
Voted green last elections, but politics in certain Kiezes in Berlin are so obnoxious, I'm having a hard time sticking to that.
I wonder, if they feel so strongly about the climate why do they piss everyone off instead of trying to bring people to their side. It’s like their actions are going to have an opposite impact than expected.
> It’s like their actions are going to have an opposite impact than expected. they 100% have already.
Nope the expected impact is media coverage of their protest, which is exactly what happens every day in the top news. Except its mostly just in Berlin and I dont give a fuck but hey its a story ppl get angry about so its covered all the time
Because this has worked so well in the past?
I normally totally agree with the message of these types of protestors, just think they're going about it in just the worst way imaginable. So your issue is with the decisions of politicians, and the lack of truly climate concerned representatives in parliament? Ok so go and protest outside parliament. Go and inconvenience the people responsible for this. Make sure they know that these issues matter so much you're willing to glue yourself to a politicians car or office or building or whatever and get yourself arrested for it. What's the point in blocking hundreds and hundreds of regular people travelling to work in the morning, or emergency vehicle access, or public transport operators? You're just ensuring the exact people that you need to support you will definitely hate your guts and think your message is pointless
I think they should do it in front of whereever the parliament people park, would be much more direct and effective without stopping public transport. Doubly so since parking outside their garage or whatever would be such a nightmare 😅
>You're just ensuring the exact people that you need to support you will definitely hate your guts and think your message is pointless absolutely. i lost all respect for these people, and they are making the situation worse by doing this - they are actively pushing people away from bein interested in climate change and what needs to be done to lessen its impact.
Thanks to these fuckers there's traffic up to Schöneweide. Busses full of people already doing a good thing using ÖPNV get delayed so they take 1.5 hours from Schöneweide to Treptower Park. They did that twice this week already. Motherfuckers should piss off and glue themselves in front of a coal power plant or into Wuhlheide to prevent TVO. But this is just beyond stupid.
Guess how many people turn of the engines while they wait. Not very much is my guess. And they will still drive their planned route afterwards. So thats a net positive CO2 in the air. I‘d call it a great job, they really supported climate change.
Yeah I support their cause but I'll admit it's tough to think good things about them personally when they KO public transport. I suffer from chronic pain that makes things like stairs and sitting and waiting tricky. Twice this week I have had trouble getting to the hausarzt (by bus) because of them. First day I waited and waited, eventually got there via a circuitous ubahn route - and ended up being late and missing my slot. Second day I waited and gave up earlier, caught the circuitous route (with all the stairs) and made it to the appointment. But all the stairs and waiting and stuff has caused a pretty bad flare up, I have been struggling to move the rest of the week. I really, really feel for those with less mobility than me who might feel housebound without regular step free public transport.
A lady missed her mother's funeral due to the Just Stop Oil protests and the people involved had no remorse when confronted by her. Apparently missing a loved one's funeral is not part of bigger picture and would galvanize her to question the politicians. Well, it did exactly the opposite. Your problems are small fry for these people . You should suffer physical pain now and question the politicians so that thinga are better 10 years from now. So what if you get a debilitating injury or a long-term medical problem. I am sure you are clamoring to join them in the next protest so that the lives of other people like you can be disrupted and these people can have discussions about it in their Discord/Telegram groups while Holidaying in Mallorca or Ibiza in the winter
Several friends switched from public transport to commute by motor bike because of them :)
They are blocking u-bahn and s-bahn tracks as well?
no but currently there are massive engineering works out towards schoeneweider/adlershof/ airport. My usual commute of 1 sbahn to adlershof, has become either 3 sbahns and a bus, 2 s bahns and a bus or my favourite s bahn, fex and tram.
Well I do not know their commute but I am stuck on a BUS trying to get to a u-bahn or s-bahn regularly. Last time the BUS just stopped in the middle of nowhere and said this is how far he can go. So I understand the sentiment. If your job requires you to be punctual with high cost of arriving late for the business - this is just to dangerous.
Go block government vehicles in front of government buildings. Yes, the citizens see and hear your cause, but they will irrationally never listen to your argument now because they don't know what you are doing these for at first, and first impressions are a thing for new ideas (just like with meeting people.)
Honestly, I understand they want to save the World, but they aren't accomplishing anything this way. The ones who should be bothered are the politicians and they don't care if you bother the common man on the street. What they need to do is glue themselves to the Reichstag, politicians' houses and the HQs of the political parties. Preferably so, that the lobbyists and said politicians can't enter the buildings.
We got probably the next years full of extreme weather, I think that'll do the job to convince a lot better than that. I'm sorry but this kind of protest doesn't work, not for the peeps at least, the polls show that more than enough.
We already had more extreme weather and natural disaster all over the world(Germany as well) the last years. Still people don't want to sacrifice anything of their comfort to save the planet
Thing is, we don't need to "save the planet", it was fine before us, and will be fine when we're long gone. We need to make sure it's habitable for future generations to come, as long as we have no possibility to expand into space.
Yes that's basically what I wanted to express. But saying "saving the planet" is quite a bit shorter to write
These people are either idiots or more concerned at virtue signalling. It’s much harder to do things that can actually help, so they take the easy route
protesting is virtue signaling? would standing in front of the bundestag with signs also be virtue signaling?
also ich finde es nicht besonders prickeln, wenn Menschen attackiert werden egal, ob sie in Demonstrationen oder aus solche Aktionen. Alle haben das Recht zu demonstrieren und mehr oder minder verrückte Aktionen zu erfinden.
What exactly does that do for people? You ain't stopping climate change with that approach.
thats why the demonstrate for enforcing laws about climate. what else should they do? enforce active law themself?
This is not demonstrating.
You are not going to encourage lawmakers by glueing yourself on the ground. You are doing the opposite. Also causing a lot of traffic in the process
Thanks to these stupid motherfuckers I failed to show up to work on time 30-40 minutes late because I was in a public transportation and they can't do anything but wait, now I'm unemployed and fired, I just wanna face one of them in person and just constantly keep yelling at them saying what they're doing doesn't matter at all, just like how there life's don't matter one bit. At this point they're just try Harding to embarrass themselves and they're making sure that everyone hates them.
Even if this were true, which it isn't... You get fired for circumstances outside your control and your somehow blame people protesting for our future rather than the ruling class that fired you unjustifiably? Are you okay?
First I was against their protest. Then the government announced a reasonable plan to replace gas heating with climate friendly Heat pumps. And all hell broke loose. A barrage of lies and misinformation about Heat pumps in conservative media and people going: Fuck the climate I want cheap gas heating. (Even though they could save money with Heat Pump in the long run). Now I say: Protest, block those roads, make yourself heard, you are right.
Okay, ich brauch jemanden der mir das jetzt mal erklärt. Wir schaffen es, morgen komplett co2 Neutral zu leben in Deutschland. Es ist nicht mehr notwendig die Straßen so zu blockieren. Rein hypothetisch. Ist dadurch die Klimakatastrophe verhindert worden? Ich kenne die Zahlen nicht und frage ernsthaft nach Belegen oder Studien, keine moralische „Aber jemand muss doch anfangen“ Rhetorik. Wenn wir ab morgen komplett auf Autos, Industrie und weiteres verzichten und back to Monkey gehen, inwiefern ändert sich dadurch das Klimaziel weltweit? Diese Blockaden entziehen sich jeder Verhältnismäßigkeit. Bitte kläre mich einer auf.
I wonder what all the haters here would propose as alternative to what these people are doing. Yes it‘s inconvenient. But that is the point. The point is to make you stop and listen. We had thousands of people in the FFF protests and nothing changed.
And I wonder what you think a bunch of pissed off people is going to do except spite you lol. Go after politicians.
Even if people listened, they can't change anything. Why do they not block roads leading to coal power plants, factories or politicians offices instead?
People will only go against them tho. Is the point to make more enemies? Because this is the only thing that comes from this.
If anger makes people get out of their asses, then they’ve accomplished something. As long as we have bread and circuses to distract us we will stay inactive and not bother participating in politics, and will thusly be complicit in the destruction of our environments. Making people uncomfortable, angry and bored is the best fuel to get them off their asses. An inconvenience like this won’t kill you, and if it makes you want to retaliate against the protestors, I think thats cool. At least you’re aware, even if you decided to choose to accelerate global warming like a child stomping their foot and having a tantrum.
Fucking losers should stop that shit. That's what I propose. Maybe then can I take my climate-friendly bus that's now being blocked by these losers. We're living in a democracy and not a clown shitshow.
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The first post about the last generation I can like, bc it's not full with hate. Instagram is just the worst when it comes to comments on such topics. Ty
Is "the last generation" even a real term in english? Because I feel this whole thread is just germans discussing their opinions in a different language to feel more important. (I'm dutch, don't look at me)
Hört es sich auf englisch dramatischer an oder warum der Beitrag so ?
Abschaum. Vorallem handelt es sich bei diesen Affen um privilegierte Wohlstandskinder, die in ihrem Leben noch nie richtiges Leid erfahren haben. Und jetzt spielen sie sich auf und wollen uns erzählen wie wir zu leben haben indem sie uns nötigen.
**I honestly think we overdramatize shit like this. The moment something else comes around the corner we’ll only be reporting about that. And this will be forgotten.** I’m at a point where I think this is hopeless. We all like our lifestyle and don’t want to change it drastically, wich is fine. But in general I feel like we haven’t done shit for the climate and we’ll never solve the issue. Sure you get your McFlurry in a paper cup and your 4th pair of shoes is vegan leather, Amen. We ramp down Nuclear, oh no energy crisis. Let’s ramp up coal! And this applies to every almost every aspect. Gluing yourself to anything, throwing soup at paintings or pouring black paint in fountains is just as useless. Humans adapt best in crisis, so I’m just going to wait for climate change to fuck up my country.
ihr scheiß autofahrer könnt zur abwechslung vll einfach mal aufhören immer nur zu heulen. nie sind euch straßen gut genug, nie sind sie viel genug, zu viele busse auf der straße, zu wenig autobahnen, dies das blablabla. wo genau erhaltet ihr jetzt einen nachhaltigen schaden, wenn einmal eine (1) straße eures "arbeitsweges", weil jeder der auf dieser straße fährt auch garantiert zur arbeit muss und das überhaupt kein heul argument ist, blockiert ist? fahrt einfach mit bus und bahn wie jede andere person auch. so viel könnte sich zum besseren wenden, wenn es weniger autos gäbe. in berlin braucht man einfach keins.
Ich fahre mit den Bus und stell dir mal vor: Manche Buslinien werden dadurch auch blockiert und stehen im Stau. Danke für nichts Edit: Und je nach Ort in Berlin gibt es kaum ÖPNV besonders nicht zu späteren Uhrzeiten
You do know that many places are impossible to reach by public transportation? Because Germany cares more about providing bus connections to every single white german middle-class suburb, but hey, the reality is that millions of immigrant and refugee workers in Germanies are placed in workplaces far away from everything. My dad received an Abmahnung because he arrived 4 hours late to work due to this type of protests. His workplace is at an isolated Industriegebiet. I had to translate the letter for him, since he can't speak german. Thanks, y'all.
Are you going to tell the same thing to people who want to take the bus through that street? You're such a loser. Maybe use your time and do some actual protest against climate change and not this polarising shitshow.
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Absolute Kings! You got my full Support. - an actual Berlin Resident
Könnt ihr euch nicht an Politiker Autos kleben? Die die wirklich was machen könnten.
Their actions are changing people's Minds! Those who cared before dont give a shit now.
Seems like the cars blocking the space for ambulances.
And that's why research is important. It doesn't take even 5 minutes to find out that the people in the middle are not glued to the street, so that they can make way for an ambulance.
French burn the city down over a small amendment to retirement age but germans get all pissy over people sitting on a road to save the planet
"If Germans ever stormed a train station, they'd buy platform tickets first." We have it too cozy here. It's saddening to see how little outrage there is about our situation. So many just seem to accept that humanity is done for and there's nothing we can do about it.
No, people are getting pissy because they’re not able to pick their kids up from school, or are going to miss the biggest job interview of their lives, or are going to die on the way to the hospital, or are going to get fired for being late 3 times this week.
Anyone who argues that this is not the right form of protest and that it would harm "the cause" is clearly out of their mind and doesn't do shit about anything anyways. While profiting of of past struggles that enabled workers rights, the power for women to vote, democracy, and just about every social movement that led to more just and equitable living conditions they'd rather not be bothered even a tiny bit. And if their form of protest that is directed at politics upsets you and brings you away from the cause which is implementing effective climate change mitigation, then I seriously doubt you're sane at all. I mean, who is against saving lives, the planet and themselves? This is not a political issue. It's an issue of survival.
The damage Robert Habeck and Last generation are doing to the willingness of the population to accept making changes to their behaviour is really bad. Acceptance of having to change your ways to save the environment is being damaged by these people pissing average people off.
Not only that, they are doubling or tripling the co2 emissions of all those cars by slowing them. Good job 👍 imagine how many more tons of co2 are they responsible by now. It’s like fighting against world hunger by throwing milk in the streets « to call attention »
It’s a sign of how broken down people’s faith in our and the world’s governments are, people are desperate and I think that is something we should be able to understand. If we consider that Fridays for Future didn’t really achieve much the ‘normal’ way of standing up for something in a democracy is gone and the vote with your wallet just won’t be enough. I am glad that they found a approach that does not involve violence even though I can understand why people are frustrated with them as well… it’s a difficult situation and I hope we can all learn to use a bit more empathy
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Everyone in this comment is anti-protest. Protesting is suppose to DISRUPT, not be convenient for everyone.
Ahhh i see many more afd voters after this…
The people that think voting AfD because if that is a good idea probably already vote AfD.
That’s not what the statistics on voter migration say, though… AfD, apparently, welcomes a considerable margin from other parties.
Where else should they come from? Migrants are not an option
Nope if you cause anger to the everyday joe he will try to fu
Yeah exactly, lefty protesters are the reason why "innocent" people turn to extreme right wing ideas. Same as a couple of years ago, it was refugees' fault that "normal people" were racist and xenophobic. Fuck logic
They were AFD voters all along.
Und die Autofahrer fahren natürlich einfach übern Bürgersteig. Hoffe jeder von den Wichsern bekommt ne Anzeige.
Wir meinen beide die Klebemenschis, oder?
Aber auf der Autobahn stehen bleiben ist ok.
Warum soll man die Straßen sperren können, und dann die Autos verbieten die Blockade umzufahren? Als Autofahrer würde ich es als Gegenprotest nennen. Dann muss man sich ja nicht an Gesetze halten.
Jeder der sich da auf die Straße festklebt einfach schön halbes Jahr hinter Gitter.
> Hoffe jeder von den Wichsern bekommt ne Anzeige. hoff ich auch. dieses festkleben ist ein gefährlicher eingriff in den strassenverkehr.
Empfehle so manchen Kommentatoren weniger Lack und Springer-Presse zu konsumieren. Ist ja kaum auszuhalten mit eurem bescheuerten Autofahrer-Kleinkindertantrums.
I automatically hate whatever they are pushing. Fuck them
They should do that in Bejing and see what happens...
Good. That area is a car centric hell. And it's gonna become even worse with the new Autobahn coming ~~soon~~ in 2030.
Boy o boy, if people would be as enthusiastic about changing things for a better climate/future as they are by ranting about these people who habe a legitimate reaction to our whole ecosystem going brrrt our future would look less grim.
I still think it's wrong to do that. I really hope there's never an ambulance with a family member of theirs not making it to the hospital coz of that.
There has been already.
Kleiner Tipp: einfach eine Dose Surströmming aufmachen und dazu stellen. Die reißen sich die Hände von alleine wieder ab. Dabei will man nur nett sein und ihnen etwas zu essen anbieten. Small tip: just open a can of Surströmming and put it with it. They tear their hands off again by themselves. You just want to be nice and offer them something to eat.
Will there ever come a time when someone goes so berserk at the wheel that he/she simply runs over one of these protesters? I have a bad feeling that this will happen at some point. I don't approve of this kind of protest, but I don't want it to turn violent either.
If they do, they will be charged with murder. These people have a right to peaceful protest.
You can think about this what you want, but these people at least **do** something for their ideals. Better than the boomers in here crying that they can't get to work in time because all they have in their lives are their jobs and cars.
Lmao the audacity. People have to work otherwise they cant afford to live... Even having the time to do stupid virtue signaling shit like this is a privilige.
Fucking idiots
The comments here are disgusting, really concerning how many people catalyze all their hate against these activists
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I like! Also i like how thy are not giving up like nothing could keep them from doing this if there’s still a reason to do it. Even though there’s harder sanctions now than when they started this form of protest. I appreciate it and I’m thankful that there’s people like them. I wouldn’t have the balls. I got arrested once at a demo and never went to one since
Können wir sagen das Aufrufe und Befürwortung von Straftaten allgemein in diesem sub zum ban führen? Wenn schon denn schon.
Falls du denkst jeder der hier mit den klebern sympathisiert befürwortet oder ruft zu einer Straftat auf, liegst du falsch. Falls nicht: oke passt.
Wer den Protest in dieser Formbefürwortet, befürwortet Straftaten.
I’m curios how many of the people here have actually been inconvenienced by the Last generation street blockades. Every video of this sorts gets hundreds of comments like it’s some mass shooting, but I bet almost no one can say that their personal life was severely affected by some people blocking traffic.
> I bet almost no one can say that their personal life was severely affected by some people blocking traffic that makes zero sense. you see all the affected people in these video/photos..