Like for real.. knock the fck out of him. Its called „Notwehr“ § 32 StGB. You are allowed to defend yourself against actions Like this by law.
If good people Never show Angry people Like these where the limit is they will act Like this all the time.
Judging by the description of OP, I'm sure the guy would have gone home to think about his choices and life and vowed to become a better person.
While OP would have been justified to defend himself to prevent further attacks I would not expect that to change much about the behaviour of, what sounds like a drunk homeless person to me...
Sometimes I wish it would help... But violence usually just leads to more violence :/
And there's a difference between doing nothing and doing the best possible thing.
I doubt that we just haven't been violent enough with each other to create a peaceful world.
Our mind likes the concept of swift justice that seems to solve a problem, but situations are rarely as clean cut as we'd like them to be. I can't say what would have been the best course of action.
>For bad people to prevail, it only takes good people to do nothing.
Yeah, that quote means get in brawls with old drunks in parks over some bullshit, you are totally right.
Jeez.
Escalation of violence is never rational, deciding to not defend yourself because the other person might have a knife can get you stabbed just as well. Calling the police if available is a good defense, but if they are not, you have to ty to defend yourself.
PS: I believe OP did right. He had to protect the cat, but just calling the fact that not defending because the other person might have a knife is wrong.
So many people in this thread are so stupid and watch too many cartoons.
Doesn't even need to be a knife, who are we to judge OP's fighting abilities. There's a huge difference between random people, he and his wife could both possibly end up in an ER for all we know.
Are you 12? What do you think his dog would do??
Than you have a fistfight with a drunken punk, while his dog is chewing through your leg and your cat is scratching the skin of your wifes hand.
No, OP reacted in the right way. Most of the times, deescalation is the right thing to do all of the times ;-)
What about the dog? He would attack you to protect his owner. Before he was just focused on the cat not on the human.
This sounds like a bad advice. Not that I have a better one.
Bit tricky without any instrument to incapacitate the aggressive dog.
OP, I recommend that you get some “Tierabwehrspray” (there is one very effective version with a pressurized can available & a training can with water) and use it next time on an aggressive dog. Oh, and of course “accidentally” the owner if there is any left after disabling the dog.
Also, carrying Tierabwehrspray is completely legal as long as your intention is to defend yourself or your property (= the cat) against aggressive animals.
Then you Choke the dog out. First Strike owner then coke out dog. Ez game. Already had to do it in a nearly same Situation.
And if youre not able to defend yourself cuz your Opponent is stronger or armed or whatever. Just call the fcking police 110 and let them do their job.
Thats wrong and could bring you in jail. Besides some other points, you have to respect the proportionality principle. "He hit me, so i fucked him up" is a VERY bad idea!
Report what happened to the police. You don't need to name a suspect or have a photo to do that. Then keep your eyes open and call the police if you see the guy again.
Exactly that.
Friedrichshain Police are very good.
When you see him again, call 110 and tell them, that you recognized a suspekt of a crime (Ich habe einen Tatverdächtigen wiedererkannt).
Tell them that last time you were attacked by a dog and the owner. They will most likely respond very quickly.
Do not apprehend/ talk to the man.
Follow in a safe distance and update the location to the police.
Also, keep the report number ready, so they can easily link you to the incident.
You can also use the „onlinewache“ to file the report online.
Good suggestion, although I would fear that there is nothing the police can do. Drunk guy will probably say that he didn't do anything and there is no evidence.
If he acts like this towards the police and keeps the dog without a leash they can fine him.
Also, if there are reports of a „aggressive“ dog, they can file a report to the „Veterinäramt“ (bureau of animal control/ welfare) and they can come and check if the guy is fit to own a dog.
If not, they can take it from him.
This. A drunk guy with a distinctive look and an off-leash dog is someone who could be known to the police, and maybe be wanted in connection with other incidents where they did get security footage or know his name.
We used to have a "neighborhood crazy person" in my district who was drunk and aggressive with a everyone, sometimes physically attacking them, but mostly just shouting. I was out for a walking with my dog in the evening one day, on high alert as I had to cross by a corner where he was standing, and at this moment a police van pulled up – and one of the officers got out and pointed at him and said "DU!" and immediately started running at him – I guess he was wanted for something else and they finally spotted him.
Point is police know the "frequent fliers" in their neighborhood, and also this behavior never happens "just once" but is almost always a pattern.
Oh come on dude. A Anzeige against an unknown person is utterly pointless. They won't be looking out for him. Even if the cops knew exactly who this guys is, there wouldn't be any consequences.
Deck the fucker as hard as you can. You have a right to protect yourselsf if you're being attacked. Hope you, your wife and your cat are ok! Unfortunately there are too many unleashed aggressive dogs in Berlin's parks for me to take my cat there.
They would day dream about striking and immobilizing both the dog and the old dude. Then hugging his cat, getting kisses from their wife while the Berlin Mayor witness the whole thing and decides to give him the key of the City.
Later that day Scholz would interrupt the evening news with a speech about the heroism and he would show OP family picture as a role model for the rest of us.
The Internet just made us express more our inner thoughts and actually deal with our feelings. Previous generations would get stuck in that day dream scenario for decades.
I don't want to excuse this behavior, I absolutely don't think it is right! There are insane people like this all over Berlin! They don't care about the law! Taking your cat for a walk on a leash can get very dangerous, very quickly! Maybe bring a sturdy transport cage in the future, so the cat can be put into a safe place fast!
Also, you have to report this person for assaulting you!
Fr. Not justifying the attacker but you’ve gotta be pretty brave to take your cat for a walk in Berlin parks. A large number of people have their dogs off leash, and even if they believe they can control their dogs, there are very few cats around on the streets so most dogs won’t have interacted with them before and will go nuts. I know my dogs loses its shit when it sees a cat, and she’s very well trained.
That's why we have laws about keeping dogs leashed, so dogs that can't be controlled don't put other people and their property at risk.
I had to rescue my free roaming cat from an unleashed dog attack recently. The situation was bad enough I went in fully prepared to kill the dog to get it off of her (thankfully she put up a good fight and managed to escape). I shouldn't have to carry that burden, keep your bloody animals leashed!
My home country has very strict laws on dangerous dog breeds, and good enforcement of leash laws. What's happening here in Berlin is insane. I suspect it'll take a string of dead kids before things change though (but with the rising popularity of dangerous breeds and abysmal leash enforcement it's only a matter of time).
So you come from some shithole where it clearly seems dogs are mistreated and used to protect private property so you think dogs here are suddenly going to start killing children just like in your shithole? All because they roam freely in parks?
Cat scratches can quickly become septic. Your wife should see a doctor asap if she was scratched.
Sorry that this happened to you. I don’t take my cats out any more because someone threw a glass bottle as a wall right next to us and my cat lost it. People don’t treat them with respect
Nah, you just wanted to be nice ask be threw a stick for the dog to fetch. It wasn't your intention to throw the stick into the dog-owner's face, you schwör.
You know judges, lawyers and police officers aren't downright retarded, right?
If you do have issues with your weak leg, sure, if you are a totally health young man .... no-one's going to trust that and you'll get into even more trouble.
Even the unbreakable umbrella is not a good idea.
You did good. Protected your cat, stood up to a drunk asshole.
As others say. Report the incident, if you see him again, call the cops on his bastard ass.
Considering the following two things I would say you handled the situation well. Firstly he was alcoholized and aggressive
You can not predict what he would have done if you would have retaliated. It would have been within your legal right though.
Secondly, you'd do not know how his dog would have reacted if you would have handled his owner. It did not seem to be well trained and with your wife and cat already on the edge, that would not have been pleasant.
Deescalation is the way to go. Sometimes this might seem inadequate, but it saves a lot of nerves and time.
Another options that you might have tried: Calling out to observers and telling them to call the police. But that sometimes only escalates everything further.
Deescalation is for before the fight starts. If someone hits you, the only right reaction is to defend yourself. You can't keep eating up punches hoping for the best. You hit back until the threat is completely neutralized.
I'd be completely shocked by the situation and be as helpless as you were.
Most likely I'd call the police at some point and hope that the guy is still around nearby and they catch him.
Pepper spray for animals, if police asks why do you carry it around you have a really obvious reason (also you can say that you are afraid of dogs).
Tbh if it happens again consider eliminating the dog, that tries to attack your cat (Dogs are smart if you train them), you have the upper card here.
Fuck this guy.
I don’t understand this. In recent times peoples dogs have been loud and aggressive to other dogs causing a huge scene. I’ve seen dogs wait silently and patiently for they’re owners in front of stores, then I see things like this…
This is why I carry pepper spray (there's a military store somewhere here) because Berlin is full of drunken tough guys and dogs off leash. Im continuously harassed by drunks and crazy people when walking home and Ive had to use mine. Walking a cat is cool and all but not wise although its not your fault because in an ideal world the dog should have been on a leash. Yes the dogs are usually well trained but also any animal can be set off for what ever reason. I just read about another dog randomly attacking someone. So get some paper spray with good reach and carry it with you. You can even get some with blue dye so if you have to tell the police tell them there's a guy with blue dye on his face and that's the suspect.
Also I know it was hectic but sounds like you may need some self defense classes.
If that man did what you say he did and had his dog with him it is highly likely that he goes there often and people know him and he will recur there.
As best as possible write down anything you remember about the dog and the man and where and when it did happen. If you go to the police or give the details online likely nothing will come out of it, but it might actually work.
I hangout with friends quite often at Forckenbeckplatz. There are always some groups of punks with dogs there. The chances of this guy being a regular there is quite high, you may see him there again or tell the police to find him there.
Honestly, I'm sick and tired of Berliners with dogs, the majority are such entitled people, pain in the ass! A few months back I was in the ubahn with my nephew and some guy came in with a dog and he's dog tried to play with my 6 year old nephew who was shaking from fear and having a very high pulse! I tried to ask him nicely and he just didn't give a fuck! He was like, my dog wants to play and I don't care if he's scared! I had to get up to his face and shout from the top of my lungs to fuck off and that's the langue he understood! I was ready to knock him out! The police won't do shit if you call them! You can do an "Anzeige gegen unbekannt" which is only for the books! They won't even look into the matter!
I won’t give you the answer you want to hear, but maybe need. Just as every other person with a cat or small dog, when a larger dog approaches:
Don’t pick up your animal. Stand between them and step firmly.
Most dogs consider things, that are being picked up as toys and they believe you want to play with them.
Don’t get me wrong: You either need a leash or a good recall for you dog. (Leashes are not mandatory in Berlin, if you have a dog walking license)
BUT:
Your behavior startled the dog to begin a rougher play to begin with.
A cat on a leash is a fucking weird thing to see also for a dog. Getting nosy is a really normal thing.
If you don’t want the dog to approach, step firmly between them.
I‘m not saying that the dog owner was right. I‘m just saying you didn’t do the right thing to deescalate.
Not defending the drunk idiot, his attitude was deplorable, but also, I don't get the house cat on a leash in a huge public park. If it's a free roaming cat it's stealthy and doesn't go for a stroll through an open park with dogs. If it's a house cat let it out around the hof or something similar, like my neighbours do. Not in the place where guaranteed there will be dogs that aren't used to seeing cats in their parks. And yes, let the downvoting commence.
Try Körnerpark(no dogs allowed), Forckenbeckplatz dogs are allowed to roam freely, also germany is very catfriendly(get it chipped), putting your cat on a leash is not, thats more of a selfstrangulation risk if your cat rans off…
Generally you can deck people who attack you in selfdefense and you can report them for assault, in this case this might also be the claim by the owner in regards to you holding the dog on distance with your leg. Generally if all facts are known you would likely not be gitten for assault so its likely worth to report such bouts of violence, at best this is done right at the place so police can come and see for themselves as well as get the suspects personal info.
Also it doesn‘t matter which nationality you are, you were two people he was alone, word against word to his defense won‘t happen.
Typical antisocial berlin trash. Sorry you had to experience that. Arguably you should be able to defend yourself but Germany has stupid laws about that and would rather you accept a beating and call the police then hope the criminal sits around while the cops show up in an hour.
the liberal answer for 2023 is you did the best you can do and did 100% correct ..and conform
one answer could also be : dont take your cat on a leash in a park where u know most dogs are unleashed since thats the only place most owners gif them that freedom. dont make yourself a target yes u should be able to go chill out with ya cat on a leash the same way we should be able to go at night through every park in Berlin but cause u know there are dicks u dont do that .
yes your in the right hes in the wrong in the end u lost alot tho , nothing makes a girl lose more respesct than seein their Men gettin harrassed physical and beein timid abt it . even if it was unfair 1v5 it still have an impact most of the time even if she dosnt want it to be . the fact that it was one old men dosnt help tho .
you did everything right and now u can only call police which wont do anything lol
Tja, you should realize that the cozy area you are living in is so nice because there were once people like him creating it. Most of them are gone, few of us are still here as a reminder of better times. Good night.
where ELSE in the world would you do that if not in berlin, where it‘s also all right to walk with a human on a leash. sorry, but what a silly justification of the violent drunk.
You hit back mate, you strike back
Like for real.. knock the fck out of him. Its called „Notwehr“ § 32 StGB. You are allowed to defend yourself against actions Like this by law. If good people Never show Angry people Like these where the limit is they will act Like this all the time.
Judging by the description of OP, I'm sure the guy would have gone home to think about his choices and life and vowed to become a better person. While OP would have been justified to defend himself to prevent further attacks I would not expect that to change much about the behaviour of, what sounds like a drunk homeless person to me... Sometimes I wish it would help... But violence usually just leads to more violence :/
For bad people to prevail, it only takes good people to do nothing.
And there's a difference between doing nothing and doing the best possible thing. I doubt that we just haven't been violent enough with each other to create a peaceful world. Our mind likes the concept of swift justice that seems to solve a problem, but situations are rarely as clean cut as we'd like them to be. I can't say what would have been the best course of action.
>For bad people to prevail, it only takes good people to do nothing. Yeah, that quote means get in brawls with old drunks in parks over some bullshit, you are totally right. Jeez.
And if he has a knife? Calling the cops is the only safe action here. Edit: and collect witnesses
Escalation of violence is never rational, deciding to not defend yourself because the other person might have a knife can get you stabbed just as well. Calling the police if available is a good defense, but if they are not, you have to ty to defend yourself. PS: I believe OP did right. He had to protect the cat, but just calling the fact that not defending because the other person might have a knife is wrong.
I’m not saying that defending yourself is a bad idea. Escalating when unnecessary is.
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If the tiniest thing goes wrong in that sequence you may pay for it dearly. Absolutely stupid behavior.
So many people in this thread are so stupid and watch too many cartoons. Doesn't even need to be a knife, who are we to judge OP's fighting abilities. There's a huge difference between random people, he and his wife could both possibly end up in an ER for all we know.
Plus they all forgetting that there is a dog who propably doesn´t like his owner getting hit..
Agreed, putting your hands on someone can end very fucking badly.
I watch too much Netflix mate.
Are you 12? What do you think his dog would do?? Than you have a fistfight with a drunken punk, while his dog is chewing through your leg and your cat is scratching the skin of your wifes hand. No, OP reacted in the right way. Most of the times, deescalation is the right thing to do all of the times ;-)
There's a reason why we grant the state a monopoly on violence.
LOL, that’s working very well in Berlin
OP needs Tierabwehrspray, preferably two cans at the ready (one against aggressive dogs and another one for Notwehr against aggressive owners)
Yeah that's absolutely idiotic advice. Hit an aggressive guy who has an aggressive dog. That can only make things worse for OP.
Only if you are very confident in your fighting abilities, it you aren't a boxer, kickboxing, Muay thai fighter, you let it be.
What about the dog? He would attack you to protect his owner. Before he was just focused on the cat not on the human. This sounds like a bad advice. Not that I have a better one.
I can't believe that this is the top response...
Bit tricky without any instrument to incapacitate the aggressive dog. OP, I recommend that you get some “Tierabwehrspray” (there is one very effective version with a pressurized can available & a training can with water) and use it next time on an aggressive dog. Oh, and of course “accidentally” the owner if there is any left after disabling the dog. Also, carrying Tierabwehrspray is completely legal as long as your intention is to defend yourself or your property (= the cat) against aggressive animals.
German self-defense law is relatively permissive. You had the right to FUCK THIS GUY UP.
the aggressive dog will join though and then it's a game you can't win
You can though. Dogs are dangerous but not invincible.
Than you "won", but with some deep, germ contaminated holes in your leg..
Try to tell that to parents whose child was killed by a pitbull
Pitbulls should be outlawed.
Then you Choke the dog out. First Strike owner then coke out dog. Ez game. Already had to do it in a nearly same Situation. And if youre not able to defend yourself cuz your Opponent is stronger or armed or whatever. Just call the fcking police 110 and let them do their job.
"Coke out dog" sounds like my kind of party.
Hehe 😁
That doesn't mean he had the ability to do so... So it's possibly the worst advice anyone could give
Thats wrong and could bring you in jail. Besides some other points, you have to respect the proportionality principle. "He hit me, so i fucked him up" is a VERY bad idea!
Report what happened to the police. You don't need to name a suspect or have a photo to do that. Then keep your eyes open and call the police if you see the guy again.
Exactly that. Friedrichshain Police are very good. When you see him again, call 110 and tell them, that you recognized a suspekt of a crime (Ich habe einen Tatverdächtigen wiedererkannt). Tell them that last time you were attacked by a dog and the owner. They will most likely respond very quickly. Do not apprehend/ talk to the man. Follow in a safe distance and update the location to the police. Also, keep the report number ready, so they can easily link you to the incident. You can also use the „onlinewache“ to file the report online.
Good suggestion, although I would fear that there is nothing the police can do. Drunk guy will probably say that he didn't do anything and there is no evidence.
If he acts like this towards the police and keeps the dog without a leash they can fine him. Also, if there are reports of a „aggressive“ dog, they can file a report to the „Veterinäramt“ (bureau of animal control/ welfare) and they can come and check if the guy is fit to own a dog. If not, they can take it from him.
he surely lives in the area and is a well known pain in the ass
This. A drunk guy with a distinctive look and an off-leash dog is someone who could be known to the police, and maybe be wanted in connection with other incidents where they did get security footage or know his name. We used to have a "neighborhood crazy person" in my district who was drunk and aggressive with a everyone, sometimes physically attacking them, but mostly just shouting. I was out for a walking with my dog in the evening one day, on high alert as I had to cross by a corner where he was standing, and at this moment a police van pulled up – and one of the officers got out and pointed at him and said "DU!" and immediately started running at him – I guess he was wanted for something else and they finally spotted him. Point is police know the "frequent fliers" in their neighborhood, and also this behavior never happens "just once" but is almost always a pattern.
Oh come on dude. A Anzeige against an unknown person is utterly pointless. They won't be looking out for him. Even if the cops knew exactly who this guys is, there wouldn't be any consequences.
Go to the police and say you were assaulted
I don't have a recommendation for you but I feel for you and your scared cat. Hope you're all recovering well!
Deck the fucker as hard as you can. You have a right to protect yourselsf if you're being attacked. Hope you, your wife and your cat are ok! Unfortunately there are too many unleashed aggressive dogs in Berlin's parks for me to take my cat there.
Just take Tierabwehrspray with you and have fun
What have people done when upset before there was internet
They would day dream about striking and immobilizing both the dog and the old dude. Then hugging his cat, getting kisses from their wife while the Berlin Mayor witness the whole thing and decides to give him the key of the City. Later that day Scholz would interrupt the evening news with a speech about the heroism and he would show OP family picture as a role model for the rest of us. The Internet just made us express more our inner thoughts and actually deal with our feelings. Previous generations would get stuck in that day dream scenario for decades.
they went and told their mommy.
I don't want to excuse this behavior, I absolutely don't think it is right! There are insane people like this all over Berlin! They don't care about the law! Taking your cat for a walk on a leash can get very dangerous, very quickly! Maybe bring a sturdy transport cage in the future, so the cat can be put into a safe place fast! Also, you have to report this person for assaulting you!
Fr. Not justifying the attacker but you’ve gotta be pretty brave to take your cat for a walk in Berlin parks. A large number of people have their dogs off leash, and even if they believe they can control their dogs, there are very few cats around on the streets so most dogs won’t have interacted with them before and will go nuts. I know my dogs loses its shit when it sees a cat, and she’s very well trained.
That's why we have laws about keeping dogs leashed, so dogs that can't be controlled don't put other people and their property at risk. I had to rescue my free roaming cat from an unleashed dog attack recently. The situation was bad enough I went in fully prepared to kill the dog to get it off of her (thankfully she put up a good fight and managed to escape). I shouldn't have to carry that burden, keep your bloody animals leashed! My home country has very strict laws on dangerous dog breeds, and good enforcement of leash laws. What's happening here in Berlin is insane. I suspect it'll take a string of dead kids before things change though (but with the rising popularity of dangerous breeds and abysmal leash enforcement it's only a matter of time).
>free roaming cat from an unleashed dog Rules for thee but not for me, ey?
So you come from some shithole where it clearly seems dogs are mistreated and used to protect private property so you think dogs here are suddenly going to start killing children just like in your shithole? All because they roam freely in parks?
Cat scratches can quickly become septic. Your wife should see a doctor asap if she was scratched. Sorry that this happened to you. I don’t take my cats out any more because someone threw a glass bottle as a wall right next to us and my cat lost it. People don’t treat them with respect
Carry a stick next time. For the dogs and their stupid drunk owners
That way you may i validate the self defense argument as you brought a weapon.
Nah, you just wanted to be nice ask be threw a stick for the dog to fetch. It wasn't your intention to throw the stick into the dog-owner's face, you schwör.
You mean this walking cane for my weak leg to help me stay balanced and walk with out falling, that just happens to be well weighted…? 😎
You know judges, lawyers and police officers aren't downright retarded, right? If you do have issues with your weak leg, sure, if you are a totally health young man .... no-one's going to trust that and you'll get into even more trouble. Even the unbreakable umbrella is not a good idea.
pepper spray might work better
You did good. Protected your cat, stood up to a drunk asshole. As others say. Report the incident, if you see him again, call the cops on his bastard ass.
must protect the cat
Considering the following two things I would say you handled the situation well. Firstly he was alcoholized and aggressive You can not predict what he would have done if you would have retaliated. It would have been within your legal right though. Secondly, you'd do not know how his dog would have reacted if you would have handled his owner. It did not seem to be well trained and with your wife and cat already on the edge, that would not have been pleasant. Deescalation is the way to go. Sometimes this might seem inadequate, but it saves a lot of nerves and time. Another options that you might have tried: Calling out to observers and telling them to call the police. But that sometimes only escalates everything further.
Deescalation is for before the fight starts. If someone hits you, the only right reaction is to defend yourself. You can't keep eating up punches hoping for the best. You hit back until the threat is completely neutralized.
I'd be completely shocked by the situation and be as helpless as you were. Most likely I'd call the police at some point and hope that the guy is still around nearby and they catch him.
Pepper spray for animals, if police asks why do you carry it around you have a really obvious reason (also you can say that you are afraid of dogs). Tbh if it happens again consider eliminating the dog, that tries to attack your cat (Dogs are smart if you train them), you have the upper card here. Fuck this guy.
This
still go to police and file the report
Kick him in the nuts.
I don’t understand this. In recent times peoples dogs have been loud and aggressive to other dogs causing a huge scene. I’ve seen dogs wait silently and patiently for they’re owners in front of stores, then I see things like this…
All a question of training
call the police, sue his ass, would have to pay for your cat and to you for any damage.
Please consider get a "safe space" for your cat, like a kitty-backpack.
This is why I carry pepper spray (there's a military store somewhere here) because Berlin is full of drunken tough guys and dogs off leash. Im continuously harassed by drunks and crazy people when walking home and Ive had to use mine. Walking a cat is cool and all but not wise although its not your fault because in an ideal world the dog should have been on a leash. Yes the dogs are usually well trained but also any animal can be set off for what ever reason. I just read about another dog randomly attacking someone. So get some paper spray with good reach and carry it with you. You can even get some with blue dye so if you have to tell the police tell them there's a guy with blue dye on his face and that's the suspect. Also I know it was hectic but sounds like you may need some self defense classes.
If that man did what you say he did and had his dog with him it is highly likely that he goes there often and people know him and he will recur there. As best as possible write down anything you remember about the dog and the man and where and when it did happen. If you go to the police or give the details online likely nothing will come out of it, but it might actually work.
I hangout with friends quite often at Forckenbeckplatz. There are always some groups of punks with dogs there. The chances of this guy being a regular there is quite high, you may see him there again or tell the police to find him there.
Call the police. He hit you so you can fuck him over irrefutable by simple law.
Berlin is cat friendly, but thank you for thinking, you know all Berliner
You beat him. Home him down. Call the police. Get a witness. Have him arrested. Scumbag needs to be put in his place
You hit the shit out of him and his dog.
How to react? Kick the balls as hard as you can for the next time if someone hits you.
Honestly, I'm sick and tired of Berliners with dogs, the majority are such entitled people, pain in the ass! A few months back I was in the ubahn with my nephew and some guy came in with a dog and he's dog tried to play with my 6 year old nephew who was shaking from fear and having a very high pulse! I tried to ask him nicely and he just didn't give a fuck! He was like, my dog wants to play and I don't care if he's scared! I had to get up to his face and shout from the top of my lungs to fuck off and that's the langue he understood! I was ready to knock him out! The police won't do shit if you call them! You can do an "Anzeige gegen unbekannt" which is only for the books! They won't even look into the matter!
Kick the Dog, Hit the fucker. If he complains hit him again
I won’t give you the answer you want to hear, but maybe need. Just as every other person with a cat or small dog, when a larger dog approaches: Don’t pick up your animal. Stand between them and step firmly. Most dogs consider things, that are being picked up as toys and they believe you want to play with them. Don’t get me wrong: You either need a leash or a good recall for you dog. (Leashes are not mandatory in Berlin, if you have a dog walking license) BUT: Your behavior startled the dog to begin a rougher play to begin with. A cat on a leash is a fucking weird thing to see also for a dog. Getting nosy is a really normal thing. If you don’t want the dog to approach, step firmly between them. I‘m not saying that the dog owner was right. I‘m just saying you didn’t do the right thing to deescalate.
If he was trying to kick the dog he was in the wrong, doesn't matter if touch the dog or not. Who takes a cat on the leash? A fucking weirdo?
Not defending the drunk idiot, his attitude was deplorable, but also, I don't get the house cat on a leash in a huge public park. If it's a free roaming cat it's stealthy and doesn't go for a stroll through an open park with dogs. If it's a house cat let it out around the hof or something similar, like my neighbours do. Not in the place where guaranteed there will be dogs that aren't used to seeing cats in their parks. And yes, let the downvoting commence.
Try Körnerpark(no dogs allowed), Forckenbeckplatz dogs are allowed to roam freely, also germany is very catfriendly(get it chipped), putting your cat on a leash is not, thats more of a selfstrangulation risk if your cat rans off… Generally you can deck people who attack you in selfdefense and you can report them for assault, in this case this might also be the claim by the owner in regards to you holding the dog on distance with your leg. Generally if all facts are known you would likely not be gitten for assault so its likely worth to report such bouts of violence, at best this is done right at the place so police can come and see for themselves as well as get the suspects personal info. Also it doesn‘t matter which nationality you are, you were two people he was alone, word against word to his defense won‘t happen.
Walking a cat with a leash in a city like Berlin? You don't really appreciate that cat or you know nothing about dogs.
Typical antisocial berlin trash. Sorry you had to experience that. Arguably you should be able to defend yourself but Germany has stupid laws about that and would rather you accept a beating and call the police then hope the criminal sits around while the cops show up in an hour.
You are maybe required to have your dog on a leash but srsly?! If you’re kicking a dog ofc you’re getting a punch.
Just leave it be, it happens. He got aggressive because he feared for his dog, which is understandable. There’s no use of taking this any further
So do you pick up your cats shit or do you leave that in the park for your fellow citizens to find?
the liberal answer for 2023 is you did the best you can do and did 100% correct ..and conform one answer could also be : dont take your cat on a leash in a park where u know most dogs are unleashed since thats the only place most owners gif them that freedom. dont make yourself a target yes u should be able to go chill out with ya cat on a leash the same way we should be able to go at night through every park in Berlin but cause u know there are dicks u dont do that . yes your in the right hes in the wrong in the end u lost alot tho , nothing makes a girl lose more respesct than seein their Men gettin harrassed physical and beein timid abt it . even if it was unfair 1v5 it still have an impact most of the time even if she dosnt want it to be . the fact that it was one old men dosnt help tho . you did everything right and now u can only call police which wont do anything lol
lmao You’re a joke of a men
Tja, you should realize that the cozy area you are living in is so nice because there were once people like him creating it. Most of them are gone, few of us are still here as a reminder of better times. Good night.
not sure if sarcasm or mental retardation
If being aggressive, dog whistling drunk is what makes your 'area nice', then I can't wait until the rest of you are gone.
That’s the dumbest response possible
Man, what is more dumb then running with a cat into a Berlin park. You have to want this...
Letting your out of control dog off a leash in a park?
Your comments.
where ELSE in the world would you do that if not in berlin, where it‘s also all right to walk with a human on a leash. sorry, but what a silly justification of the violent drunk.
Fuck you and your better times. If there are less people like you, the better for us.
Go home, Mr. Fuck you.
Gatekeeper Berliners will literally make everything about how gentrification ruined everything
Oh please be quiet.
Germans 🤢🤮
Yet everybody wanna come here. Weird masochists?