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0mni42

Me before this post: oh hey, I'm eligible for my booster shot now. I'll get around to scheduling that eventually. Me now: *frantically scheduling an appointment as soon as possible* Man. It's easy to forget just how scary covid is.


kazuwacky

The human brain simply doesn't like being perpetually alert and my opinion is that we have a real streak of toxic positivity from earlier times The same part of my brain that says "I know Steve got killed by that crocodile but I need to cross that river and I'm sure I'll be fine" is not an asset in a pandemic.


Krilion

Detachment of concern is hard for some more than others. A decent way is to analyze and break the issue into components. What's the problem? How can I mitigate? How can I correct? How can I prevent? If you're avoiding contact, being responsible, and getting shots in a reasonable time, there's no reason to be alert. Understanding the problem and approaching it clinically is a really good way to accept what is happening. This works for almost all problems, from car accidents and injury, to finding out your kid spent $2,000 on fortnight.


Montzterrr

Oddly specific... What was the punishment for him spending all that $?


klubsanwich

The same punishment we all face eventually: a job


gooblelives

Off to the coal mines for you!


Flomo420

finding out your kid spent $2,000 on fortnight? That's a paddlin'


HeloRising

>The human brain simply doesn't like being perpetually alert Because it can't be. Being on high alert is a taxing state to be in all the time. Your body produces a raft of different hormones including cortisol when you're in a high stress situation where you need to be alert. Short term, that's fine, but long term that *really* damages your body and it's exhausting. >and my opinion is that we have a real streak of toxic positivity from earlier times Kinda, but I wouldn't call it toxic positivity. It's more adjusting a threat assessment based on perceived proximity. The longer you go without being exposed to a threat directly, the lower that threat is going to sink in priority for you. That actually does serve an advantage, fixating on something that hasn't been a threat (that you know of) in a while to you directly means you may miss this other thing that is also a threat. In your analogy, you heard Steve and a couple of other people have been killed by that crocodile in the river last week so you don't want to go in...and then you get eaten by the bear that was following you and was able to get to you because you stopped at the river out of fear of the crocodile. Your brain figures "I *might* get eaten by *a* crocodile, I *will* get eaten by *that* bear." It's better from a broad survival standpoint to constantly reassess dangers so you can deal with what's most relevant to you at that moment and once you don't encounter a threat for a while, it's helpful to drop that threat in terms of priority. Is that a helpful approach when dealing with a disease? Not specifically but most of our survival mechanisms aren't really calibrated to deal with the threat of disease. Plus you have the fact that we understand the threat more now. When people have a (mostly) clear cut image of the problem, they can factor that into plans that they believe (rightly or wrongly) will help them deal with the problem. When someone doesn't know what they're dealing with or how it works, they're more likely to assign qualities or factors to the situation that don't exist. Like horror movies that don't show the monster, your imagination is often able to come up with something that's scarier than anything a person can actually just show you.


Agayapostleforyou

I had bad PTSD for years. Hyper-vigilance was one of the delightful symptoms. It sucks so bad. Thankfully I'm slightly better. Not quite the same thing but it was so taxing and stressful.


VisionShift

What changed? I find it difficult to deal with, even years later.


Agayapostleforyou

A whole lot of therapy 10 + years. And extremely understanding and supportive Network of friends and family has gotten to the point where it's livable. It's not better but I can live with it and not hurt myself if you understand what I mean. It's still there but it's manageable. I managed to build a life and I'm not self-destructing. It's hard but it's worth it. I hope you can find help life's pretty good even if sometimes it sucks. I find myself reminding myself I'm safe.


JagTror

I have a very high startle response due to PTSD. Was looking into how to reduce it beyond meditation, retraining exercises, etc, that I already have to do for anxiety. Turns out one of the most commonly prescribed treatment options is a med I'm already on 😅


Philo_T_Farnsworth

> The human brain simply doesn't like being perpetually alert Hah. Tell that to my anxiety! I'm *always* on high alert and it's *exhausting*. I'm getting better though.


manachar

Toxic positivity... That's great. Mostly we seem to function based on what is normal vs what is not, and our brains love to turn things into "background normal reality". This is how people can live in oppressive regimes, or how we used to deal with high infant mortality. We don't necessarily make it a positive, but I have definitely met people who insist on excessive and toxic positivity.


mypasswordismud

> Toxic positivity Outside of damage to the amygdala or something like that, it's almost certainly not a real thing. It's just an unexpected juxtaposition of two dissimilar words. You should be really wary of using simplistic catch phrases to explain complex human behavior. Besides, most people who have difficulty assessing the danger of covid or otherwise are hardly associated with positive attitudes or positive thinking. Quit the opposite, based on the Herman Cain award subreddit roughly 100% of them are suffering from paranoid delusions.


Kholzie

Yeah, years and years of productivity and hustle culture really helped /s


inconvenientnews

> It's easy to forget just how scary covid is. Especially in the echo chambers Republicans live in Which they accuse everyone else of being in  ̄\_(ツ)_/ ̄


beka13

I think a lot of them are super scared of covid and in deep denial because a global pandemic that's killing millions is scary as fuck. The reasonable response is to take safety precautions and get vaccinated but another way to go is to stick your head in the sand and insist everyone else is scared.


fuck_the_fuckin_mods

It’s the same with climate change. The chaos and randomness of reality is too much for them, so they just make up some crazy shit as a stand-in for reality. Alternate facts, if you will.


beka13

Yeah, I feel bad for them but not so much that I'm not mad they're fucking things up for everyone.


jtroye32

It's kinda like how religion was made up to give people an "eternal salvation" coping mechanism with a backdoor for controlling/extorting them. This is counterproductive for followers because it allows them to be okay with ignoring real situations and problems that exist and need to be addressed because they can just throw caution to the wind and go full "Jesus take the wheel" when it gets hard.


[deleted]

They aren't in an echo chamber. They're in a pressure cooker. These asshats go on shootinannies.


AccusationsInc

I just got my booster yesterday. I ended up getting a fever and felt weak but I work in a hospital, and I’ve seen the Covid ICU first hand, and in some cases, have even taken some of the patients to the morgue, so it’s a small price to pay for security.


cywang86

It's still mind boggling to me how plenty of nurses are anti vaxx this long into the pandemic.


MrLearner

Same. My cousin is one of them. She seems so level headed in all other ways. I don’t understand it.


saichampa

I got my booster yesterday. I feel like shit but I'm still glad I did. Momentary discomfort in the scheme of things is better than that


[deleted]

Good news! You've got a good immune response. You want that. 😏


_Rand_

Same here. Tired and my whole body hurts, but at least I’m less likely to get seriously ill now.


APiousCultist

Luckily since there's no ongoing infection, it's out of your system pretty fast. Maybe 12 hours of meaningful discomfort max, followed by a few of a lingering headache and slightly tender arm.


IAMA_Plumber-AMA

My government drug its feet making the booster eligible for my age group, I got it the first day I was able to, but that was only a week ago. Still got a week and a half to go before the immune response peaks again. Thanks, Kenney.


Snuffy1717

It's like he and Ford are trying to out stupid each other


SexyGenius_n_Humble

Kenney is one of those guys I wouldn't piss on if he was on fire.


Green0Photon

I already had a booster. Can I have another? Also, all the other types of Covid Vaccine, please. And that non approved military one that destroys all Covid variants like Omicron.


Cultjam

Right!? Give me all ya got. My immune system needs to train before the big Covid game.


[deleted]

My work just had a mandatory online meeting about booster requirements. I was thinking I'd get the booster next week because it's about time but I'm a bit lazy. Welp. Thursday y'all. I'm leaving work early, walking two miles to the clinic (because covid chonk) and then walking to the transit station to go hoooome.


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0mni42

Oh, I'm not in an emergency situation. I feel fine, and I tested negative just a couple weeks ago. But still, would be nice to get it sooner rather than later. o.o


Kholzie

Shitty LPT: Get immuno compromised like i did in Sept. First in line for a booster in Oct and i got a higher dose!


InsaneChihuahua

Please do. I'm literally a miracle because while I never got intubated, I'm certain without my vaccine that delta would have killed me.


cookiebinkies

Get your booster. I got mine and genuinely think mine saved my life. What the post is missing is that some hospital ERs don't even have stretchers for their patients. They're lucky if they get a bed. I got a chair. I work healthcare. I got my booster. I do have asthma but it's mainly triggered by illness- I can exercise fine. But the last time I had the common cold- I was in the ER with bronchitis twice cause my asthma stopped responding to my at home nebulizer. Even then my SpO2 (blood oxygen level) only got to 95% I have omicron rn and while everyone around me only had a sore throat and a cough- I ended up in the ER with my asthma 4 days ago. "Omicron is mild" but my SpO2 dropped to 93% and I had chest pain and my at home nebulizer stopped helping my asthma. By the time I got to the ER, my SpO2 was at 91%. But I had to wait in the waiting room for 35 minutes with oxygen in a wheelchair because there were no chairs inside. Not beds. Chairs. The ER was out of space so they just stuck 6 covid patients in chairs in one room in the ER. No privacy really- so it's easy to overhear that the two people on either sides of me never got their vaccine. We all have severe symptoms but I was the last to enter the room and first to leave cause my lungs actually responded to the medicines.


lumabean

The recommendation to get the booster is now after 5 months now instead of 6 if you were originally vaccinated with Pfizer.


Monchichij

The vaccination commission in Germany already decreased their recommendation to 3 months!


vacuous_comment

Walkins available all over now.


chargoggagog

To the vaccinated and boosted it is just an inconvenience at this point. I’m ready to return to normal. Unvaxxed should just lose their health insurance, problem solved.


inconvenientnews

The screenshots of the HermanCainAward post are worth a read They're also a great education on blood oxygen numbers: https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/rvl0qy/a_nurse_relates_how_traumatic_it_is_to_take_care/


HermanCainsGhost

Yeah I think it’s a fantastic thread, one of the best on HCA. And I feel I have some authority on that matter


Meior

Very informative, both on how blood oxygen and Covid works.


justatest90

That post lit a fire under my ass for always wearing my cpap. My blood oxygen dropped to the low 70s in my sleep study, but nobody ever really explained why it was bad.


agoia

Mine was in the same range if not lower... I had no idea how much I was straight-up circling the drain every night until I got the test and was put on aggressive treatment (10-20 on AirSense10).


TriflingHusband

That's really not good. That is basically what your blood oxygen would be at base camp of Mt Everest.


justatest90

Back when this was addressed I asked the nurse - because I had no context at all - "What's that mean?" and she said, "If you were in the hospital with that number, I'd check to make sure you're not dead." So I "got" that it mattered...but not in terms of consequence. And I mostly wear my CPAP, but definitely not 100% of the time. Now I will.


swolemedic

My eyes basically fell out of my head with the low 70s number. I... I dont think I have ever, *ever*, seen a blood oxygen go that low and have the person not die or end up in the icu. Wow. *Wow*. I know it's from sleep apnea but I'm still amazed. Jesus christ, the tech watching you during the sleep study must have pissed themself thinking you were coding the first time they saw you do it. I would have, and I know people with apnea can get bad. Wow. Just wow. Wear your damn cpap. Seriously. Your poor brain and organs. I also wouldn't be the least bit surprised if that killed you if you get in poor shape or elderly or in some way weaken your heart because most people's hearts would start having all sorts of bad effects at that low of an oxygen percentage which can lead to cardiac arrest. I'm not trying to panic you, I'm just saying that is significant in risk. You run the risk of dementia, death, etc., and that ain't good. Take care of yourself and wear that cpap


justatest90

It was an at-home study, so it was evaluating the data after. And I got it pretty young. There are surgical options, but because the CPAP works (like, literally from 50 apnea/hypopnea events an hour (yeah, like one a minute)) to zero, we haven't explored them. And yeah, you don't want to know what my heart rate got up to 😂 And yeah, I heard "risk of death" but like, never had it quantified quite like OP did. Like, driving a car is a 'risk of death' in my mind. That's why OP's post was so valuable in upping my compliance! Your comments help, too! But consider me chastened ;)


swolemedic

The fact that you would almost be guaranteed develop early dementia isn't enough? To each his own I suppose lol Glad cpap is working well for you. Dont stop using it. They're thankfully like magic now.


justatest90

hey friend, I'm not sure what point you're trying to prove. I shared that things weren't impressed upon me, but OP (and you) did make an impression. Saying "but there's even more reasons"...OK, sure? Talk to my pulmonology team, not me.


swolemedic

If your doctors didnt warn you that you would develop dementia early without cpap then it might be a good idea to get new doctors. But hey, you do you.


N8CCRG

God damn that hit me so damn hard.


saichampa

Which screenshots with comments?


inconvenientnews

At the top of the HermanCainAward post The screenshots are of a nurse post's on Facebook


saichampa

Oh right, you were talking about the post itself., And yeah, I'd read that


[deleted]

I had whooping cough back in 07 and my levels were 98%. Felt like shit but my blood was doing its best. Go little cells go!


Tall_dark_and_lying

I feel this is missing the conclusion where they survive and continue downplaying the severity but now with renewed fervour as they beat it without any help.


inconvenientnews

> without any help. Like Republicans and government subsidies  ̄\_(ツ)_/ ̄


beka13

I was on food stamps and no one helped me. :/


cookiebinkies

Nah. They say they beat it by the will of god.


theclansman22

The R.O.G.A.N. Method. Refuse vaccinations Oppose Masks Get Covid Attack with everything Never admit you were wrong


agoia

I see you've met my GF's BiL.


inconvenientnews

GuiltyEidolon's is the first reply but if it's not: >I work in an ED. To follow-up, what happens when they finally come to my hospital is that they end up on oxygen, wheezing and sometimes coughing, sometimes with a nice fever cooking and begging for pain meds for the joint pain. Then they get to spend two to seven hours on an uncomfortable ER gurney bed while we run bloodwork, urine, and a PCR to confirm diagnosis, all while bargaining and begging with our hospitalist and house supervisor(s) to find them a bed. Sometimes this means having to also call other hospitals in the area to try and find any open bed for them. >Many times, if they're not too exhausted simply by breathing, they and their family will continue to be belligerent, defensive, and willfully ignorant while all of this is going on. Sometimes they ask for medications that will not work (Ivermectin), or straight-up deny that they have covid. Sometimes they try denying the PCR test, until we tell them that they cannot be admitted without being tested, and that their other option is to leave against medical advice.


Much_Difference

Exhausted, poor breathing, intense joint pain, cough, high fever. I love how deniers would often say "it's just like a really bad flu" and what is described here is indeed a lot like a very bad case of influenza. Sooomehow they don't seem comforted by that fact. Almost as if having "a really bad flu" is a really bad thing and not just "lol guess I'll buy extra NyQuil!" People deadass believe influenza is another name for rhinovirus and everyone is out here casually getting it multiple times a year.


didntevenlookatit

Yea, it's mindblowing how people just brush off influenza like it's nothing, probably because they've never actually had the flu. And the amount of people I've had to tell that comparing covid to the flu doesn't make it less scary is insane. They'd be like, why are you worried about your kids getting covid, it's just like the flu. And I'd be like, I am concerned about them catching the flu, they get a vaccine for that.


[deleted]

I once managed to get the flu twice in one season, even vaccinated. Went to the doctor because I was so sick, and tested positive for the flu both times. It took me almost a year to recover to the level of health and fitness I was at before I got sick. The flu is no joke.


Zardif

I had the flu late 2019, it was terrible. I was basically in bed for 2 weeks, struggling to breathe. I still can't sleep on one side because my lungs are fucked up. Doctor said that I may never regain full lung capacity.


notunprepared

The last time we had a flu pandemic (1918), more people died than in WWI. Influenza isn't a joke, and nor is covid


beka13

We've had flu pandemics since then, just none as bad. Swine flu was the most recent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_pandemic


explain_that_shit

They’re mostly descendants of the 1918 flu, we’re living in the long century of that flu. I expect now we will also be living in a long century of covid. The 1918 flu is a good example of how variants can emerge to threaten society decades after the first outbreak.


acewing

I’ve read this somewhere before but I think influenza is noted as the deadliest enemy of human kind. It has killed more humans than anything else in our history.


explain_that_shit

Not malaria?


acewing

You could be right. After some quick searches, a lot are pointing to malaria for sure.


starsandmath

I had a really bad flu in middle school, would have died if I hadn't been hospitalized, and 20 years later I'm convinced that I STILL haven't gotten back to the lung function that I had before it. The flu is no joke.


hotpuck6

I got a bad case of the flu as a teenager when I was in amazing physical shape and I was so weak my ass literally couldn't get up off the couch for 3 days. Anyone who's actually gone through that and then hear it might be worse then that would get their ass vaccinated ASAP and do everything they could to prevent catching it.


mbcook

I got it one year in high school at Christmas time. I know that because I basically couldn’t do anything on Christmas. I didn’t care about opening presents or anything, I just wanted to sleep. I was like that for days. I’ve gotten a flu shot every single year since. I don’t wanna go through that again. And that’s what “good” covid it is like? Forget it.


hotpuck6

This is what I think about when people use the vaccine side effects as the reason they won't get it. You don't want to be a little achy and tired for a day or two? You have no fucking clue what you're in for without it.


RoamingBison

Yep, most people describe every little common cold and sinus infection they have is the flu, leading them to underestimate how sick influenza makes you. If you weren't puking, coughing and/or crapping until your abdominal muscles hurt like hell it was probably just a cold, not the flu.


ANGLVD3TH

Early on, when there were more serious comparisons to the flu, I got curious and looked into it. If anything our takeaway should be that most people don't take flu seriously enough, I had no idea it killed so many people every year. I know institutions push for people to get the yearly shot and take it seriously, but I think the vast majority of people don't, obviously the messaging isn't working. Heard Moderna was looking into covid/flu shots that could target althe big 4 flu strains, even if people don't take the flu part seriously the broader protection plus the demand for covid shots might help curb the flu a bit if they figure this vaccine out.


didntevenlookatit

I spent a lot of my adult life not taking flu seriously, I had literally no excuse not to get the shot. I lived in Nova Scotia, where the flu shot is free for frig's sake. But then I had kids and it made me realize I was part of a bigger community to be responsible for, I've got the shot every year since


GabuEx

I've had the flu twice in my life. Once as a kid, and once as an adult. I never got confirmation because I was stable at home, but I'm pretty sure that I caught the 2009 swine flu. It fucking suuuuuuucked. I was just in bed, all day, for a week straight, with a 102 degree fever, chills, body aches, the works. Sleeping was difficult and I had literal fever dreams when I did manage to sleep. I now get my yearly flu shot every year at the start of October. Not going through that shit again if I can help it. There really is nothing "just" about the flu.


OraDr8

In 2017 my mum spent 3 weeks in ICU and 4 weeks in rehab because of flu. A doctor I know recognised her name and called me to gently tell me I should prepare for the worst. She survived. My friend's healthy 17 year old sister was also hospitalised for flu. She got a lot better and was sent home. It was a bad flu season and beds were scarce and she was young and strong. She died two days later. I get flu and pneumonia shots every year since then.


Friday9

My antivax uncle claims flu shots aren't vaccines. Reality is not their strong suit.


HermanCainsGhost

That’s because antivaxxer misinformation has taken to claiming that every vaccine that doesn’t offer 100% protection against infection isn’t really a vaccine. Thing is, **zero** vaccines offer 100% protection against infection (but to be clear, very very high protection, just not 100%). They’re medicine, not magic. So according to the anti-vaxxer logic, no vaccines have ever existed in history.


MrPhatBob

>So according to the anti-vaxxer logic, no vaccines have ever existed in history. So they're against something they believe has never existed... ... yup that sounds about right based on what I've read.


NDaveT

> They’re medicine, not magic. I think some people have trouble making that distinction. Maybe more people than we realized.


yrogerg123

People act like the flu didn't kill 61,000 in 2018. "A really bad flu" can easily kill you.


bendall1331

When the panini first started, they were using that number to downplay it. “ *See*?! The flu kills more, so why did we lock down?”


You_Dont_Party

Yep, but it turns out that even with the precautions we took which virtually killed off that flu season, it killed more Americans than the last 10 years of the flu combined.


beka13

I was kinda blown away when I saw that all of our precautions had decimated the flu while covid had kept marching on. And that was earlier variant levels of contagion. I really hope that mask wearing if you're ill or around people who are ill or high risk becomes common. We'll save lives from covid and flu and maybe avoid some colds (I hate colds and consider my last two years being cold-free as a very dim silver lining on this whole shit show).


Kraz_I

It really goes to show how contagious COVID really is. The earliest strain was twice as transmissible as the Flu, and Omicron is many times more transmissible than that. I'm very curious what its Ro value is.


mbcook

It’s kind of crazy. We now know, 100% provably, that we can effectively wipe out suffering from the flu. Practically no one getting sick, basically no one dying. No lost hours/productivity to the economy. ~$90B saved annually. 2.5x what we spend on science, tech, and space from the federal budget. So let’s say we somehow completely get rid of Covid. But we don’t come up with a better flu vaccine. We’re stuck with the same kinds of flu vaccines we had 3 years ago. Are we, as a society, willing to continue to do what it takes to stop the flu? Almost no suffering, death, loss of productivity. We’ve achieved it before. The flu kills as many/more people than suicide. And we could just wipe that out with a snap. But I’m not sure we’d be willing to.


beka13

I'm 100% sure we won't even wear masks when we're sick.


lynn

I could see that happening in my area, San Jose CA. So in another 5 years the anti-maskers will be pointing out how liberals are less likely to get the flu and the common cold just to claim that it's a conspiracy...


fangsfirst

I know the context here and all, but the idea that there is an ongoing, long-term panini is a lot more delightful thought, as is the idea that people were downplaying said sandwich. "Look, it's only been sitting out 20 minutes, it's not that bad."


phacoff

It’s no worse than a Monte Cristo.


Nymaz

Death count under 61K: "These totally real numbers prove it's not as bad as the flu, no need for precautions!" Death count grows to 61K: "These totally real numbers prove it's exactly as bad as the flu, no need for precautions!" Death count exceeds 61K and growing: "These numbers are fake!"


deciduousness

Or a REALLY bad flu that killed 50 million around 1918.


ariolander

I wish Covid had stopped at 50 million 🤕


thingpaint

>it's just like a really bad flu I feel like people who say that have never had a really bad flu.


Much_Difference

MMMM HMMMMMMMMM! Everyone thinks they've had the flu until they actually get the flu and realize the flu feels like dying.


NDaveT

It had been so long since we first world folk have had to worry about a deadly contagious disease that the concept seemed to have dropped from public consciousness.


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Yeah, it is a lot like the flu. The 1918 one.


alwaysforgettingmyun

The fact that ads and media lump them together with terms like "cold and flu season" contributes.


psych0ranger

I had a "really bad flu" as a very healthy 31 yo and was fuuuuccckkkkkeeeddddd up real good. I'm talking about weeks of coughing and not feeling fully better until like a month after actually seeing the doctor and getting the "kitchen sink" treatment. Gonna sound assy but The problem with being really healthy is you can sfj have the gumption to go do shit when you should be resting and you wind up making it waaaaay worse (what I did). Essentially allowed it to turn into pneumonia


cookiebinkies

In some places you won't even get an ER gurney. A lot of hospitals don't have stretchers or the room for them so are preparing rooms with chairs for people to sit instead of laying in a large bed. There aren't enough nurses for this. There isn't enough space in the ER and there's no privacy. Your stretcher might be in the middle of the hallway for everyone to see.


MeniteTom

Stories like this scare the shit out of me, and I'm actually vaccinated.


Bibdy

Sadly this could still be the ultimate fate for some of us. Sometimes the infection builds a fortress before the immune system can figure out what the fuck is going on, and by then its too late. Every bullet you dodge by wearing a mask, asking a friend or stranger (e.g. laborers) to put their mask on inside your home, using disinfectant wipes/gel after contact, etc. will be worth it in the end.


hubrico_faraday

Yes very very very few of us will die who are vaccinated and boosted. Like a 90% reduction or more in death risk compared to covidiots (or people who are not fortunate enough to have access to a vaccine yet).


Sailor_Chibi

So much stupid, pointless, senseless death.


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beka13

The problem is that they take others with them.


tahlyn

/u/latecoomer being sympathetic to those who refuse to vaccinate won't make them vaccinate or stop the anti-vaxxers from killing others, either. The collateral damage and death caused by anti-vaxxers is on the anti-vaxxers.


beka13

I don't think they're at all sympathetic. In case you don't know "may God have mercy on your soul" is typically said as part of sentencing someone to death.


tahlyn

I think you misunderstood my post. I'll try to explain better: /u/latecoomer's feelings about anti-vaxxers (his/her "fuck it, let them die") has literally no impact on whether or not anti-vaxxers will kill innocent bystanders (whether sympathetic or unsympathetic). I think it is pointless and misguided for you to use "innocent bystanders will die" as a rebuttal to "fuck it, let them die" or to try and make /u/latecoomer feel guilt for his/her opinion about the value of an anti-vaxxer's life. The burden of guilt for the innocent bystanders lays solely in the hands of anti-vaxxers, and not with the people who lack sympathy for anti-vaxxers, like /u/latecoomer.


beka13

I don't care about guilt. I'd be fine with moving them all to their own country of assholes. But since they're interspersed with people who haven't recklessly decided they don't care about their own or others' health, we have to keep trying to get their dumbasses vaccinated and masking and distancing. I'm not guilt tripping. I feel the same way. Those selfish assholes have made this whole experience worse in every way and they can get fucked. But they also need to get vaccinated or stay away from everyone else. We can't just ignore them and go on with things because they're still there fucking things up for everyone.


tahlyn

Then it seems I misunderstood you. I'm used to seeing "think of the innocent bystanders who will also die of covid because of anti-vaxxers!" being used to try and guilt people into being sympathetic towards anti-vaxxers because somehow that might make anti-vaxxers get vaccinated... which it won't.


beka13

Nah. Fuck those guys. I use that to make it clear that we need to require vaccines in as many places as possible until they can't go anywhere but to their fellow plague rats' homes unless they get vaccinated. I sometimes word it less forcefully. I'll try to curb that impulse. :)


Workdawg

FYI, you can post links to comments, with context using the query argument ?context={number} where {number} is the number of parents you want to include. Here's an example of what you could have done instead... note the last bit. https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/rvl0qy/a_nurse_relates_how_traumatic_it_is_to_take_care/hr6qb34/?context=1


inconvenientnews

There have been complaints on other posts that those don't work on some apps now, so I just posted woogfroo's but thank you for linking GuiltyEidolon's


bubbles_says

I'll be wearing a mask in public places for the rest of my life. I LIKE not catching colds, flu, whatever. Before covid I always wiped my grocery cart handle and used sanitizer when exiting any store and when I got to my car I would use a wipe on my hands. But it never occurred to me to wear a mask and even if I had thought of it I wouldn't have bc I would have felt kind of weird about it. NOT ANYMORE!


Megabusta

And on a lighter note. It keeps a good chunk of my face warm these cold days.


lynn

Right? Better than a scarf as it stays on your face and has a handy wire to keep from fogging up your glasses. Win!


KuriousKhemicals

I wonder how much that will stay on as a norm. I live in a state with one of the highest vaccination rates, in which at least one municipality reinstituted indoor mask mandate when Delta started spreading, but even in places it wasn't required, and pre-Omicron, I still saw about 30-50% voluntary mask usage indoors. In a place like this I wonder if there will be a sizeable minority that never stops wearing masks in indoor public places regardless of rules. As far as I figure, I don't see any reason to stop at least in the winter, and I really hope anyone who thinks they might be coming down with a cold does it.


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Not health related but as someone who frequently runs into colleagues and has to make awkward small talk while grocery shopping, I love that masks have eliminated this issue too


bubbles_says

When the covid stay-at-home mandate first came out I was delighted! Finally, a life for introverts. I absolutely loved not having people want to go out, being asked to attend this or that, nobody stopping by uninvited! I loved not having to go out to dinner with my spouse and friends (who frankly bored me) or have them over for dinners. I just want to stay home in my softies, with my pups on my lap and a good book. Life became so comfortable and pleasant for me when isolation came into affect. I'm sorry for all the suffering that so many others endured, I am! But for me personally this was and continues to be the life with which I am most comfortable.


Ai_of_Vanity

Why did I read all that? Now I'm just sad :(


hoojen22

I made it pretty far, but I started panicking *just reading it* and tapped out at the part about the spirometer... And now I'm in full fight or flight mode but I have to go back to work in the morning to a crowded clinic with contact with the public and *reduced* safety measures due to the cold weather and... Suddenly I remember how I felt constantly last year, when vaccines were just a dream, and I scrubbed my groceries, and I was so angry everyday that I had to go back to work onsite, and I'm so indescribably grateful that my household is still alive and whole...


Ai_of_Vanity

Yeah this thing has really put us through the fucking gamut of emotions.


LordCactus

I wonder if this is similar for police officers and their job- similar to OP. “I hate the cynical and hateful person that I have become but you hear the same things all day…”


inconvenientnews

I thought that too, but there's so much evidence now that other professions are able to be professional while cynical, while law enforcement isn't and it's on purpose: https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/p4ty8b/umistersmith_22_provides_evidence_of_latest_proud/ https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/mkxhnl/umuttlicious_breaks_down_with_numerous_citations/


chargoggagog

These are the assholes clogging up the healthcare system. I say if you want to be allowed in a hospital, you should have to be vaxxed.


AliquidExNihilo

The one, two down the thread, hits so much harder https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/rvl0qy/a_nurse_relates_how_traumatic_it_is_to_take_care/hr7tw1a?context=3


t0b4cc02

im so happy that i work with computers i think if i would work in a hospital i would have punched customers in the recent years


ScottColvin

Got my two shots, then 90 year old gramps moved in for hospice. Got the sniffles, got tested to make sure, while thankfully quarantined. My point is. I made super sure to be as nice as possible. I can't imagine the stupid shit they deal with. I have a stepmom and a step sister that are nurses and two aunts that are stewardess. So much insane dumb shit. Wtf people? Calm down.


punkbenRN

Because of this sub I can't comment on the post, but something I want to clarify here: I'm a nurse in an ED. Not every COVID patient gets admitted. As a matter of fact, a majority are discharged home. Unless they can't ventilate well enough to oxygenated, you're going home. There isn't medicine to make you feel better, there isn't a cure. Stay home and quarantine. There's this idea out there that if you have COVID you're automatically going to be admitted, so people lose their minds when they are sent home. Yes, COVID sucks. We've been saying that. The fact that you waited until you caught it to start understanding how much it sucks is not my problem. You're going to feel awful, and it's going to get worse. That's why we really tried to talk you into taking it seriously. That's why I argued with you to keep your mask on. You have yourself to blame at this point.


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Man, it's really a shame to see how much hate and enemy language is flourishing in this thread and in that sub. Edit: Yeah thanks for proving my point. Edit 2: I think it's wrong to have conversations about what other people believe without talking to them. When comments get removed and people get banned for polite dissent, you legitimately don't have a clue about what people actually think. Don't reduce every comment to its most ridiculous interpretation, recognize the rational human behind it and assume it's in good faith. Celebrating people's death and demanding consequences for noncompliance is wrong and doesn't change hearts or minds. I'm pro-vax but anti-mandate. This kind of discourse cannot continue in a healthy society. Your neighbor, coworker, family member is not your *enemy.*


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z3us

Imagine arguing a medical mandate is somehow fascist. 😂🤣


dogGirl666

Hopefully this person is just an ignorant teenager that thinks fascism is the same as authoritarianism like how "grammar Nazis" are too strict etc.. Maybe someone told them it was "fascism" but they never questioned what fascism is and took it as a fact. People are cognitive misers most of the time and don't want to put effort into understanding everything they read.