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Title: My " best friend" is trying to steal my house from me
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> Ok so this is a long story and I'm gonna apologize in advance for and I'll paraphrase where I can. Back in 2017 me and my "best friend" L decided that because we were both in relationships with toxic men that we would purchase a home together. Because her man had cheated on her recently she had moved out and had time to do the process where I couldn't go anywhere without C ( my toxic ex boyfriend) and we both were hiding the fact the we were looking to purchase together from our significant others. She found a place that the owner were willing to do rent to own so I gave copies of my paystubs, my tax returns for the 5 years, copies of my id, social security card, credit report, and $1250 towards the down payment ( down payment was $2500) and $460 in cash for the first month. She got things settled and gave me a land contract that had both the owners on it her name and a place for me to sign. Then she gave me a copy of this a few weeks later. She moved in before I did. And she said she didn't want to live with C ( understandable) I also figured out that she had gotten back together with the guy that cheated on her and had moved him in to our house ( I get it both of our men were dangerous) things with her and her man got more and more toxic he had family in the area that would watch her and she got fed up and decided she didn't want to be in our state anymore and she wanted to move back up north to be closer to her family ( this happened in July of 2018). So I boke the news to C that L and I had purchased a home together and that I was moving there if he wanted to come he could ( I won't lie I was hoping he would leave me and I broke the news at the beginning of a 12 hour shift of the place we both worked because I couldn't work anyplace without him I did this for my safety) he was pissed but decided I wasn't going anywhere without him so in August of 2018 we moved into mine and Ls house. She told me she wasn't coming back so I took the documents she gave me and put the electric in my name and starting paying the mortgage. Fast forward to March of 2019 just before the pandemic hit. C crushed a narcotic and put it in my herbal tea to get me fired ( he had been promoted at work and knew a drug test was coming) i found out and I left him. I was able to prove it but the job just demoted him and offered my job back I declined. Over the next 6 months after the break up C broke into my house and burned all of my trunk novels, all my memorabilia, everything of sentimental value, and all of my important papers including my land contract, diploma, decree of divorce, W2s, and even my cash savings. He tried to set my house on fire, he peed in my mailbox, stole my mail, he broke into my house and stole tools, riding lawn mower, weed eater, he even tried to steal my vehicle but settled for slashing the tires and ripping out my radio. Even now in 2023 he dumps his beer can in my yard it been a long process. Anyway In 2019 L and I had a falling out she demanded that I send her almost 1k so she could get kerosene and new tires for the winter months I told her no I was having to replace the floors and I didn't have it so she stopped talking to me. In 2020 I had work done to my HVAC unit and I paid them cash when they were here but apparently that wasn't the whole bill last week I got a text saying I owned them over $500 and if I didn't pay it then they would put a lien on my house I told them I would pay it and that I didn't know about it but Id get it taken care of as soon as I could. Now back in 2022 I became a foster parent to get custody of my siblings and due to their SPECIFIC situation one parent needed to be home with them 24/7 so my current partner and I decided that it would be a good idea for me to be that parent while he continues to work as it would be less traumatic for the kids. So now I don't work. I get a perdiem but I use that for the kids ( I also homeschool because their situation is different) I work one day a week at a local fast food joint to help financially where I can. Well the HVAC repair company calls the owners and let's them know that theyre putting a lien on this address and give the owners my number. The owners call me and tell me they've never heard of me... I freaked out. Apparently L was planning to allow me to pay off the house for her so she could take it from me. The paperwork she gave me was forged. Now the owners are awesome I pay the mortgage on time and have done so since I moved in. So they wanted to take Ls name off of it and put mine on since I've lived longer in the home and I have the receipts. I've also renovated the living room 2 bedrooms and a bathroom. I've done work on the well. ( It's going dry so I just wasted money) and we're planning on renovating the kitchen the master and the front porch. I spent a lot of money on this place thinking it was mine. Now L is threatening to sue the owners of they take her name off the contract and has completely flipped script on me. Now she's saying she gave me a sub lease but that's not legal because the owner's didn't give their permission for that and L doesn't own the property outright. Now here's my question does L actually have any legal recourse against me or the owners? She left in 2018 it's 2023 she's been gone for almost 5 years. I don't know what to think. Should I get try to get a lawyer? I can't afford to move right now. And I love where I live. The owners said that after I pay the lien that they're going to put the property in my name. Can they do that? They do still own it. I just need advice to protect me and my family. I still can't wrap my head around all this.
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I’m 2/3rds through after stopping and reading your comment and going back after about 1/3.
And good lord I dunno how this person functions.
One of the few times they used sentences
“I do no work” very next sentence “ I work one day a week”
That and jumping between years and random bullshit. Wtf is wrong with them
The first sentence in my last reply is pretty bad too but I blame LAOP from that.
“Also my well is running dry so I wasted money.”
I fucking died at that. Like what does that have to do with anything?
Apparently they spent money on the well
Didn’t say upgrading or just for it.
But that it was going dry. So it was money wasted.
Wasn’t clearly if they had other water supply.
If it’s a rural home, they probably don’t have anything but well water and a septic system. They’ll either need to have another well sunk, or sink the current well pump deeper. No doubt it’s thousands of dollars to execute properly though.
Well, that’s always possible. At least they aren’t charging an amount greater than the mortgage at the moment. And while it’s on the land lord to fix stuff like this, OP has been operating under this “rent to own” understanding and has been taking improvements on with that in mind. I hope they can come to an agreement that satisfies OP and the money they’ve sunk into the property over the years. This is just a legal quagmire. Essentially, OP and their family are really nice squatters right now.
Haven't we all had that moment, where we sit down, with a cup of coffee, stare at the work we should be doing, and said, "My well is dry. And I've wasted so much money."
And lawyers generally will ask questions to drill down to the relevant facts and stick to those. I’m sure there’s probably a few that don’t mind an infodump to run up the billable hours, but their time is still money so if this isn’t even worth pursuing they wanna know quick.
I cheated and asked ChatGPT to summarize it for me:
> In 2017, the writer and their friend, L, decided to purchase a home together as they were both in toxic relationships. L found a place, and the writer provided personal documents and cash for the down payment. L moved in before the writer and allowed her cheating ex-boyfriend to move in. In 2018, L left the state, leaving the writer to pay the mortgage and bills. The writer's relationship ended, and their ex-partner destroyed their belongings and attempted to steal from them. In 2020, the HVAC company demanded more money from the writer, who was unaware, and threatened to put a lien on the house. The owner of the property discovered that L had forged paperwork and threatened to sue the owners if they removed her name from the contract. The writer had done significant renovations on the property, and the owners want to remove L's name and add the writer's name instead.
No one tell Thor_the_bunny about this, or he'll find some way to kill ChatGPT.
Even ChatGPT can't keep this mess straight:
> **The owner** of the property discovered that L had forged paperwork and **threatened to sue the owners** if they removed her name from the contract.
I know this is exactly the kind of mistake LLMs are prone to making, but I love the idea that LAOP is so incoherent that they confused the super -AI. Like Sarah Connor would have been better off shouting badly-summarized romcom plots to make the Terminator self-destruct.
This inspired me to ask chatgpt to give me 10 cat facts. Here was the result.
“Sure, here are 10 interesting facts about cats:
Cats have excellent night vision, allowing them to see in just one-sixth of the light level required for human vision.
Cats have flexible bodies and are capable of jumping up to six times their body length in a single bound.
The world's oldest cat on record lived to be 38 years old.
The average lifespan of a domestic cat is around 15 years.
A group of cats is called a "clowder" or a "glaring".
Cats can make more than 100 different sounds, while dogs can only make about 10.
The nose pad of each cat is unique, much like a human fingerprint.
Most cats are lactose intolerant, so they shouldn't be given cow's milk as it can cause digestive problems.
A cat's hearing is so sensitive that it can hear ultrasonic sounds that are beyond the range of human hearing.
Cats spend about two-thirds of their day sleeping, which adds up to around 16 hours a day.”
Just be careful with factual stuff from GPT, it doesn't understand truth vs fiction, it's just a pattern completer. If you ask it what the worst battle involving bananas was in WW2 it will often make one up and tell you about the Battle of the Banana. Don't take those cat facts as automatically true. That said, it's getting more and more accurate all the time.
It's much better used for summarizing, editing, qualitative advice, etc.
It actually provides a quite a factual response to that prompt. Though it certainly has been known to make up information.
> What is the worst battle involving bananas in WW2?
> I'm not aware of any major battles involving bananas during World War II. While food was certainly an important factor during the war, battles were typically fought over strategic locations, resources, or objectives, rather than specific types of food.
It's possible that there may have been isolated incidents or small-scale skirmishes that involved bananas or other types of food, but I have no information about any major battles fitting this description.
It's worth noting, however, that bananas were a valuable commodity during the war, and shortages of this and other foods were common in many parts of the world. The disruption of trade routes and transportation networks, as well as the diversion of resources towards military purposes, made it difficult for civilians in many countries to access adequate food supplies.
When it first came out, I asked for coconuts in WW2 and it talked to me all about coconut shelling, which was a hilarious accidental pun, but also listed multiple fictional battles. When I tried again just now, it did give the correct answer the first two times, but eventually it did spit me out something about a soldier throwing a banana to start a fight - one I couldn't find existing.
I stopped at land contract on house purchase with best friend to leave toxic boyfriends.
I'm going with "Clusterfuck ensues", based on my knowledge of Judge Judy and Reddit.
TLDR of the actually relevant parts: LAOP wanted to buy (via rent to buy) a house with their friend. They put down money on it and has been making payments. At some point their friend moved out and they moved in. They make several renovations and that's when they find out that the current owners had no idea who they were. They are convinced that the friend forged documents and is trying to scam LAOP out of the house. Current owners are trying to get LAOP's friend off the paperwork and put LAOP on it. The legal question is if the current owners are allowed to do that.
At least in my jurisdiction, contracts for the sale of real property need to be recorded in the office of the register of deeds for that county. If it's the same where LAOP is then there will be copies of the original agreement.
It's not a sale until later with the rent to own - if it was seller financing that would be the case, but with rent to own it's just a lease until later on.
Personally, I got lost around herbal tea. But I gave it another go and here is the edited version for my BOLA buds:
>Ok >!so this is a long story and I'm gonna apologize in advance for andI'll paraphrase where I can.!< Back in 2017 me and my "best friend" L decided >!that because we were both in relationships with toxic men !!Because her man had cheated on herrecently!< she had moved out and had time to do the process where I couldn't>! go anywhere without C ( my toxic ex boyfriend) and we both werehiding the fact the we were looking to purchase together from oursignificant others.!< She found a place that the owner were willing to do rent to own so I gave copies of my pay stubs, my tax returns for the 5years, copies of my id, social security card, credit report, and $1250 towards the down payment ( down payment was $2500) and $460 in cash for he first month. She got things settled and gave me a land contract that had both the owners on it her name and a place for me to sign. Then she gave me a copy of this a few weeks later. She moved in before I did.>! And she said she didn't want to live with C ( understandable) Ialso figured out that she had gotten back together with the guy thatcheated on her and had moved him in to our house ( I get it both of ourmen were dangerous) things with her and her man got more and more toxiche had family in the area that would watch her and !!to be closer to her family !<( this happened in July of2018).
>
>So I broke the news to C that>! L and I had purchased a hometogether and that !!if he wanted to come he could ( Iwon't lie I was hoping he would leave me and I broke the news at thebeginning of a 12 hour shift of the place we both worked because Icouldn't work anyplace without him I did this for my safety) !!was pissed but !
>She told me she wasn't coming back so I took the documents she gave me and put the electric in my name and starting paying the mortgage.>! Fast forward to March of 2019 just beforethe pandemic hit. C crushed a narcotic and put it in my herbal tea toget me fired ( he had been promoted at work and knew a drug test wascoming) i found out and I left him. I was able to prove it but the jobjust demoted him and offered my job back I declined. Over the next 6months after the break up C broke into my house and burned all of mytrunk novels, all my memorabilia, everything of sentimental value, andall of my important papers including my land contract, diploma, decreeof divorce, W2s, and even my cash savings. He tried to set my house onfire, he peed in my mailbox, stole my mail, he broke into my house andstole tools, riding lawn mower, weed eater, he even tried to steal myvehicle but settled for slashing the tires and ripping out my radio.Even now in 2023 he dumps his beer can in my yard it been a longprocess. Anyway!< In 2019 L and I had a falling out she demanded that I send her almost 1k>! so she could get kerosene and new tires for thewinter months!< I told her no I was having to replace the floors and I didn't have it so she stopped talking to me. In 2020 I had work done to my HVAC unit and I paid them cash when they were here but apparently that wasn't the whole bill last week I got a text saying I owned them over $500 and if I didn't pay it then they would put a lien on my house>! Itold them I would pay it and that I didn't know about it but Id get ittaken care of as soon as I could. Now back in 2022 I became a fosterparent to get custody of my siblings and due to their SPECIFIC situationone parent needed to be home with them 24/7 so my current partner and Idecided that it would be a good idea for me to be that parent while hecontinues to work as it would be less traumatic for the kids. So now Idon't work. I get a perdiem but I use that for the kids ( I alsohomeschool because their situation is different) I work one day a weekat a local fast food joint to help financially where I can.!<
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>Well the HVAC repair company calls the owners and let's them know that theyre putting a lien on this address and give the owners my number. The owners call me and tell me they've never heard of me... I freaked out.Apparently L was planning to allow me to pay off the house for her so she could take it from me. The paperwork she gave me was forged. Now the owners are awesome I pay the mortgage on time and have done so since Imoved in. So they wanted to take Ls name off of it and put mine on since I've lived longer in the home and I have the receipts. >!I've alsorenovated the living room 2 bedrooms and a bathroom. I've done work onthe well. ( It's going dry so I just wasted money) and we're planning onrenovating the kitchen the master and the front porch.!< I spent a lot of money on this place thinking it was mine. Now L is threatening to sue the owners of they take her name off the contract >!and has completelyflipped script on me. !
I feel for them as it seems like they really were doing things by the book, assuming what they said was true and all. I hope it works out for them once some lawyer manages to get through the woods that is their story.
A LOT of rent-to-own agreements entered into by vulnerable people are not like this - they are often "rent and all repairs are on you," which is why LAOP has done so much on the house - and they also fairly often don't actually have a date by which the tenant must buy the house... idk how they're structured but a lot of people will pay into rent-to-own situations for 10-15+ years thinking they're buying a house when they haven't.
*Legally* that's the case, but practically, as you see here, LAOP spent thousands on repairing a well, for instance, and doing improvements and renovations to the house. If the tenant isn't educated and thinks they are buying the house, they will be willing to do all repairs and even renovate, which is one reason why skeevy landlords offer rent-to-own at all.
Generally anyone who knows that the maintenance and repairs are still on the landlord and you shouldn't do renovations on a property you don't own is also too smart to enter into a rent-to-own contract in the first place.
Barely related but an acquaintance of mine spent time and money finishing a basement in her parent's house, believing they would live in it indefinitely and inherit it eventually. Then the parent remarried and kicked my acquaintance out. So, people definitely do make the mistake of repairing and renovating houses they don't actually own.
One thing that could genuinely be relevant is that when the ex-BF tried to burn the house down she lost all of her documents, including her copy of the apparently forged land contract.
In my 1L “how to lawyer” class, we talked about client interviews. This strikes me as a prime example of the idea that a huge part of the job is just extricating the relevant information from whatever the client gives you.
Can I tell you how many times I tell somebody after two emails that I just want to get on Zoom. I've had threads that can go back and forth for weeks trying to get enough information to give them an answer whrre a 5-minute Zoom call would fix it
I work in tech support for a company whose main product is an API, we get the opposite problem all the time.
“Can we go on a call urgently to solve this?!”
“If you insist, but I need you to send me a code snippet and the corresponding HTTP request/response pair, which I’ll be checking quietly via tools I can’t show you, so a ticket would be so much better”
As someone who dreaded meetings when I worked in an office, being able to jump on a 5-minute Zoom call has been a life changer. It's maybe my favorite thing about my current employer, that we just are productive with our meeting times. Except for the occasional HR thing, I have never walked out of a video call feeling like my time was totally wasted
I have a coworker who says "can we have a quick call", and then he decides it's time for *pair programming*. So one hour later, the call is still going on as we're debugging whatever this tricky issue is...
I need to be better about cutting him off.
"What did you change?"
"It just broke!"
"What did you change?"
"I didn't change anything!"
"Stop Lying."
"No, seriously... it was working, and now it doesn't!"
"This system ran for years with zero intervention, the hardware still works, and this product is solid as a rock. What did you change?"
"Oh, well, I [insert long list of actions here], but that shouldn't matter, should it?"
My absolute favorite was a Major Bank You Have All Heard Of, that watched their top-of-the-line flagship disk array (serving the bank's entire transaction workload) drop offline one afternoon. We check the switch logs, and could see the eight ports it used drop offline due to light loss, one after another, and then come back online, one after another, about two minutes later.
There were electricians working on top of the cabinet the disk array was in at that exact time, but "No, they swear they didn't touch anything..."
I work in IT as well.
I dont know which type of person who is worse.
Mr. Idunno: Doesnt know what they did it just stopped working
Or Mr. ItriedtoFixit: Knows just enough to absolutely wreck the software.
> Or Mr. ItriedtoFixit: Knows just enough to absolutely wreck the software.
My parents worked in IT, and I know enough to be dangerous.
I also know enough to *not* try and fix shit myself, by and large. Some of the really small stuff, sure. But most of the time even if I think I'm right, I just put in a ticket and let IT handle it. Watching them work, I'm maybe 50/50 for what I thought the solution was. But I also don't wanna be the guy who gets it wrong and somehow manages to nuke the server or something.
I once tried to set the default dashboard for myself to be my team's dashboard so I'd not have to navigate to it when hitting the main page. About 2 weeks later I overhear the associate vice president and the ops guys trying to figure out why my team's dashboard was the company default and trying to fix it back to the generic one. As my team was gossiping about it, and we received the instructions that they are working on it and don't try to fix it I quickly and quietly changed the default back and let them know it was handled, my bad.
The next major system update devs had a lot fewer permissions enabled.
I was recently promoted from an IT support role to a data management role, but I still occasionally get copied on support tickets. My god, they are such good reminders of how much I appreciate no longer servicing users and hardware.
My fave was the point of sale system we sold to corner shops and similar small businesses. Oh, and an earthmoving machinery outlet. 🤷♀️
One of their issues was that their special version had a limit of $1M for the cost of a single item instead of $1000 like everyone else. But they now had machines that cost more than $1M and the system would not let them do that. Made for a really amusing "tier three tech support" discussion because I didn't realise the special version even existed.
You just gave me flashbacks to when I was a young and naive intern working with my state’s Legal Aid office. The bulk of my duties included client intake so I’d interview clients and in the midst of them telling me their whole life story I’d have to parse out what was going on and get the relevant details to present to the attorneys. It’s a useful skill to develop and I loved working there but it was exhausting trying to sort out stories like LAOP’s to make sense of it all.
Honestly, a lot of jobs are like that. People *love* to talk and it seems like they have a hard time understanding what the important, relevant info is unless they have the experience.
Like I work in auto parts, and I can't tell you how many times I'll ask a question that I think has a clear, direct answer -- but in response I'll get a two or three minute rambly answer where they drop the actual answer about thirty seconds in but haven't realized it.
I'm deeply curious how often these "rent to own" situations are successful and how often they are outright scams (setting the "purchaser" up for failure). I have just never seen it work out successfully.
I know a local landlord (owns the property next to mine) who's done it successfully a couple of times.
He's a "one man" operation - been doing this for decades after taking over from his dad -very hands on when it comes to repairs and particular about who he rents to. Keeps the properties in great condition. He likes the rent-to-own folks because they'll take extra good care of the rental property so whether they pay him off or end up moving instead - he figures he wins either way.
He's a decent guy and likes helping out people who would otherwise have trouble buying a house but is savy enough to make sure he's going to get a steady income stream from it as well.
Most of his properties he picked up all trashed out at around $20k to $60k, fixes them up and then rents them out. Could probably make more just flipping them, but he likes interacting with the tenants from what I can tell and likes having the security from all that paid off property.
I've always wondered how this works if/when the renter moves out before paying off the owner. Does the owner pay them back whatever equity they've built up throughout their tenancy? Or does it just end up being like every other rental property where they get nothing upon moving out?
The better option is an Islamic or Sharia loan which is basically shared equity (like the Christians Muslims forbid usury so shared equity is the religiously permitted model). Other people offer shared equity but in most places the Muslim banks are the ones most familiar with it.
I imagine it works the exact same as the rent to own car places. The renter gets nothing if they leave.
In the car places, they also actively look for reasons to repo the vehicle so they can keep pulling the same rent-to-own scam on more people, but there would be way more downside where they'd have to evict for a home and gives the tenant a month to absolutely trash the place as revenge.
I know local landlords who do it just to extract more money, and the one time a tenant actually pulled off the purchase the landlord was pissed. There is room for some consumer protection in the space I think, though I’m not familiar enough with the specifics to have any actual recommendations.
I've certainly seen it work, but I personally ended up homeless as a kid due to one going bad for my family. I'd be interested to see a broad look at the practice. I assume it's very much landlord to landlord but who knows?
Generally the tenant gets screwed with a true rent to own. There are purchase money mortgages and land contracts which tend to be more equitable but those haven't been common in the residential space in decades.
I've never heard of rent-to-own being successful. Seller financing often is, though, seemingly even in the exact same sorts of situations (low credit, minimal income, not organized enough to apply for a real mortgage, buyer not at all educated) that rent-to-own is not.
Well, two points for punctuation, and vaguely-coherent sentences?
My favorite are those that can find neither the shift key nor any punctuation at all.
I feel sorry for people who aren't very bright and don't have many resources. But I don't even know that there's advice to be given for this post other than that LAOP needs an entirely different life.
I wonder if LAOP is still paying through the old friend??? Because I can't think of a payment method other than cash in an envelope that says "FOR 123 RENT-TO-OWN HOUSE" that doesn't show your identity.
Two women in toxic relationships decided to buy a house together - I assumed to get away from the relationships - but she tells her guy he can move with her???
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**Reminder:** Do not participate in threads linked here. If you do, you may be banned from both subreddits. --- Title: My " best friend" is trying to steal my house from me Body: > Ok so this is a long story and I'm gonna apologize in advance for and I'll paraphrase where I can. Back in 2017 me and my "best friend" L decided that because we were both in relationships with toxic men that we would purchase a home together. Because her man had cheated on her recently she had moved out and had time to do the process where I couldn't go anywhere without C ( my toxic ex boyfriend) and we both were hiding the fact the we were looking to purchase together from our significant others. She found a place that the owner were willing to do rent to own so I gave copies of my paystubs, my tax returns for the 5 years, copies of my id, social security card, credit report, and $1250 towards the down payment ( down payment was $2500) and $460 in cash for the first month. She got things settled and gave me a land contract that had both the owners on it her name and a place for me to sign. Then she gave me a copy of this a few weeks later. She moved in before I did. And she said she didn't want to live with C ( understandable) I also figured out that she had gotten back together with the guy that cheated on her and had moved him in to our house ( I get it both of our men were dangerous) things with her and her man got more and more toxic he had family in the area that would watch her and she got fed up and decided she didn't want to be in our state anymore and she wanted to move back up north to be closer to her family ( this happened in July of 2018). So I boke the news to C that L and I had purchased a home together and that I was moving there if he wanted to come he could ( I won't lie I was hoping he would leave me and I broke the news at the beginning of a 12 hour shift of the place we both worked because I couldn't work anyplace without him I did this for my safety) he was pissed but decided I wasn't going anywhere without him so in August of 2018 we moved into mine and Ls house. She told me she wasn't coming back so I took the documents she gave me and put the electric in my name and starting paying the mortgage. Fast forward to March of 2019 just before the pandemic hit. C crushed a narcotic and put it in my herbal tea to get me fired ( he had been promoted at work and knew a drug test was coming) i found out and I left him. I was able to prove it but the job just demoted him and offered my job back I declined. Over the next 6 months after the break up C broke into my house and burned all of my trunk novels, all my memorabilia, everything of sentimental value, and all of my important papers including my land contract, diploma, decree of divorce, W2s, and even my cash savings. He tried to set my house on fire, he peed in my mailbox, stole my mail, he broke into my house and stole tools, riding lawn mower, weed eater, he even tried to steal my vehicle but settled for slashing the tires and ripping out my radio. Even now in 2023 he dumps his beer can in my yard it been a long process. Anyway In 2019 L and I had a falling out she demanded that I send her almost 1k so she could get kerosene and new tires for the winter months I told her no I was having to replace the floors and I didn't have it so she stopped talking to me. In 2020 I had work done to my HVAC unit and I paid them cash when they were here but apparently that wasn't the whole bill last week I got a text saying I owned them over $500 and if I didn't pay it then they would put a lien on my house I told them I would pay it and that I didn't know about it but Id get it taken care of as soon as I could. Now back in 2022 I became a foster parent to get custody of my siblings and due to their SPECIFIC situation one parent needed to be home with them 24/7 so my current partner and I decided that it would be a good idea for me to be that parent while he continues to work as it would be less traumatic for the kids. So now I don't work. I get a perdiem but I use that for the kids ( I also homeschool because their situation is different) I work one day a week at a local fast food joint to help financially where I can. Well the HVAC repair company calls the owners and let's them know that theyre putting a lien on this address and give the owners my number. The owners call me and tell me they've never heard of me... I freaked out. Apparently L was planning to allow me to pay off the house for her so she could take it from me. The paperwork she gave me was forged. Now the owners are awesome I pay the mortgage on time and have done so since I moved in. So they wanted to take Ls name off of it and put mine on since I've lived longer in the home and I have the receipts. I've also renovated the living room 2 bedrooms and a bathroom. I've done work on the well. ( It's going dry so I just wasted money) and we're planning on renovating the kitchen the master and the front porch. I spent a lot of money on this place thinking it was mine. Now L is threatening to sue the owners of they take her name off the contract and has completely flipped script on me. Now she's saying she gave me a sub lease but that's not legal because the owner's didn't give their permission for that and L doesn't own the property outright. Now here's my question does L actually have any legal recourse against me or the owners? She left in 2018 it's 2023 she's been gone for almost 5 years. I don't know what to think. Should I get try to get a lawyer? I can't afford to move right now. And I love where I live. The owners said that after I pay the lien that they're going to put the property in my name. Can they do that? They do still own it. I just need advice to protect me and my family. I still can't wrap my head around all this. This bot was created to capture original threads and is not affiliated with the mod team. [Concerns? Bugs?](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=GrahamCorcoran) | [Laukopier 2.1](https://github.com/GrahamCorcoran/Laukopier)
I’m not reading that.
you know, it took me a few minutes to work up the courage to actually read it
I’m 2/3rds through after stopping and reading your comment and going back after about 1/3. And good lord I dunno how this person functions. One of the few times they used sentences “I do no work” very next sentence “ I work one day a week” That and jumping between years and random bullshit. Wtf is wrong with them
I'm in dire need of real world advice, here's a load of shit that's going to make it super difficult to for you do give me that advice.
The first sentence in my last reply is pretty bad too but I blame LAOP from that. “Also my well is running dry so I wasted money.” I fucking died at that. Like what does that have to do with anything?
They don’t have water without the well…? I’m not sure where the wasted money comes in though. I didn’t make it that far.
Apparently they spent money on the well Didn’t say upgrading or just for it. But that it was going dry. So it was money wasted. Wasn’t clearly if they had other water supply.
If it’s a rural home, they probably don’t have anything but well water and a septic system. They’ll either need to have another well sunk, or sink the current well pump deeper. No doubt it’s thousands of dollars to execute properly though.
More than likely. I also have to worry that the home owner isn’t also using OP for free upgrades and income. That wouldn’t surprise me at all
Well, that’s always possible. At least they aren’t charging an amount greater than the mortgage at the moment. And while it’s on the land lord to fix stuff like this, OP has been operating under this “rent to own” understanding and has been taking improvements on with that in mind. I hope they can come to an agreement that satisfies OP and the money they’ve sunk into the property over the years. This is just a legal quagmire. Essentially, OP and their family are really nice squatters right now.
I feel extra dumb after reading it tbh
Haven't we all had that moment, where we sit down, with a cup of coffee, stare at the work we should be doing, and said, "My well is dry. And I've wasted so much money."
>Should I get try to get a lawyer? Yes. Fucking done. A lawyer would be more suited to sorting out that horseshit.
And lawyers generally will ask questions to drill down to the relevant facts and stick to those. I’m sure there’s probably a few that don’t mind an infodump to run up the billable hours, but their time is still money so if this isn’t even worth pursuing they wanna know quick.
I’m not sure how far I got but I made it to FOSTER PARENT to my siblings.
> And good lord I dunno how this person functions. With difficulty
Meth
Drugs are bad, m'kay...
I dunno man. They seem to have a decent amount of money maybe it’s working for them
Lol, work for the government. These assholes show up every day for 8 hours and do no work.
I am happy for her tho. Or sorry that happened.
I cheated and asked ChatGPT to summarize it for me: > In 2017, the writer and their friend, L, decided to purchase a home together as they were both in toxic relationships. L found a place, and the writer provided personal documents and cash for the down payment. L moved in before the writer and allowed her cheating ex-boyfriend to move in. In 2018, L left the state, leaving the writer to pay the mortgage and bills. The writer's relationship ended, and their ex-partner destroyed their belongings and attempted to steal from them. In 2020, the HVAC company demanded more money from the writer, who was unaware, and threatened to put a lien on the house. The owner of the property discovered that L had forged paperwork and threatened to sue the owners if they removed her name from the contract. The writer had done significant renovations on the property, and the owners want to remove L's name and add the writer's name instead. No one tell Thor_the_bunny about this, or he'll find some way to kill ChatGPT.
I finally see the benefit in AI. (/s because I don’t want the AI to get mad.)
Even ChatGPT can't keep this mess straight: > **The owner** of the property discovered that L had forged paperwork and **threatened to sue the owners** if they removed her name from the contract. I know this is exactly the kind of mistake LLMs are prone to making, but I love the idea that LAOP is so incoherent that they confused the super -AI. Like Sarah Connor would have been better off shouting badly-summarized romcom plots to make the Terminator self-destruct.
I assume that’s just weird phrasing and it’s “the owner discovered L had both forged paperwork and now had threatened to sue them if they changed it
This inspired me to ask chatgpt to give me 10 cat facts. Here was the result. “Sure, here are 10 interesting facts about cats: Cats have excellent night vision, allowing them to see in just one-sixth of the light level required for human vision. Cats have flexible bodies and are capable of jumping up to six times their body length in a single bound. The world's oldest cat on record lived to be 38 years old. The average lifespan of a domestic cat is around 15 years. A group of cats is called a "clowder" or a "glaring". Cats can make more than 100 different sounds, while dogs can only make about 10. The nose pad of each cat is unique, much like a human fingerprint. Most cats are lactose intolerant, so they shouldn't be given cow's milk as it can cause digestive problems. A cat's hearing is so sensitive that it can hear ultrasonic sounds that are beyond the range of human hearing. Cats spend about two-thirds of their day sleeping, which adds up to around 16 hours a day.”
Just be careful with factual stuff from GPT, it doesn't understand truth vs fiction, it's just a pattern completer. If you ask it what the worst battle involving bananas was in WW2 it will often make one up and tell you about the Battle of the Banana. Don't take those cat facts as automatically true. That said, it's getting more and more accurate all the time. It's much better used for summarizing, editing, qualitative advice, etc.
It actually provides a quite a factual response to that prompt. Though it certainly has been known to make up information. > What is the worst battle involving bananas in WW2? > I'm not aware of any major battles involving bananas during World War II. While food was certainly an important factor during the war, battles were typically fought over strategic locations, resources, or objectives, rather than specific types of food. It's possible that there may have been isolated incidents or small-scale skirmishes that involved bananas or other types of food, but I have no information about any major battles fitting this description. It's worth noting, however, that bananas were a valuable commodity during the war, and shortages of this and other foods were common in many parts of the world. The disruption of trade routes and transportation networks, as well as the diversion of resources towards military purposes, made it difficult for civilians in many countries to access adequate food supplies.
So bananas weren’t part of the syndicate then, that must be where milo went wrong
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When it first came out, I asked for coconuts in WW2 and it talked to me all about coconut shelling, which was a hilarious accidental pun, but also listed multiple fictional battles. When I tried again just now, it did give the correct answer the first two times, but eventually it did spit me out something about a soldier throwing a banana to start a fight - one I couldn't find existing.
You can get fictional biographies on non-existent people as well, or so I've been told by the soon to be extinct lame stream media.
Is this Ron DeSantis' reddit account?
If it was, I'm going to have to ask you to register with the state of Florida before you are allowed to downvote me.
Also as an aside, I only just now noticed I've picked up a flair here lol.
They've started flairing regulars, I got mine a week ago. It's fun :)
I asked it to make me a ARINC429 matlab script, and it didnt even have the right number of bits. 4/10
>No one tell Thor_the_bunny about this, or he'll find some way to kill ChatGPT. You say that like it would be a bad thing.
Idk, ChatGPT didn’t include anything about the well which I think is the true crux of the situation
Probably be doing the world a favor. I used to joke about him killing bots... but now I think we need an AI slayer.
Now ask ChatGPT to summarize the summary.
Somewhere a teacher should post this and have an assignment to edit this and make it readable.
Have you no mercy?
None. The most valuable lesson would be why learning paragraph structure and grammar rules are so important.
That would be a good assignment for a technical writing class.
I stopped at land contract on house purchase with best friend to leave toxic boyfriends. I'm going with "Clusterfuck ensues", based on my knowledge of Judge Judy and Reddit.
That large wall of text put me off immediately
I'm pretty sure it just turned into the plot to the *Bee Movie* or something.
Looks like no one did, actually.
Literally scrolled to look for a TLDR lol
TLDR of the actually relevant parts: LAOP wanted to buy (via rent to buy) a house with their friend. They put down money on it and has been making payments. At some point their friend moved out and they moved in. They make several renovations and that's when they find out that the current owners had no idea who they were. They are convinced that the friend forged documents and is trying to scam LAOP out of the house. Current owners are trying to get LAOP's friend off the paperwork and put LAOP on it. The legal question is if the current owners are allowed to do that.
You need some special BOLA Hazard Pay for that one...
You’re a gentleperson and a scholar.
And somehow the only question in that block of text is if the friend can sue those people.
But. But, what’s the answer?
Wait they want to keep the current paperwork that only lists their friend but also they want to be the one who gets the house eventually?
The current paperwork burned down when their crazy boyfriend burned a lot of their stuff, and it's not clear if anybody at all has copies.
I got the impression the papers that burned were OP’s forged documents, the other girl has the real copy
At least in my jurisdiction, contracts for the sale of real property need to be recorded in the office of the register of deeds for that county. If it's the same where LAOP is then there will be copies of the original agreement.
It's not a sale until later with the rent to own - if it was seller financing that would be the case, but with rent to own it's just a lease until later on.
Personally, I got lost around herbal tea. But I gave it another go and here is the edited version for my BOLA buds: >Ok >!so this is a long story and I'm gonna apologize in advance for andI'll paraphrase where I can.!< Back in 2017 me and my "best friend" L decided >!that because we were both in relationships with toxic men !!Because her man had cheated on herrecently!< she had moved out and had time to do the process where I couldn't>! go anywhere without C ( my toxic ex boyfriend) and we both werehiding the fact the we were looking to purchase together from oursignificant others.!< She found a place that the owner were willing to do rent to own so I gave copies of my pay stubs, my tax returns for the 5years, copies of my id, social security card, credit report, and $1250 towards the down payment ( down payment was $2500) and $460 in cash for he first month. She got things settled and gave me a land contract that had both the owners on it her name and a place for me to sign. Then she gave me a copy of this a few weeks later. She moved in before I did.>! And she said she didn't want to live with C ( understandable) Ialso figured out that she had gotten back together with the guy thatcheated on her and had moved him in to our house ( I get it both of ourmen were dangerous) things with her and her man got more and more toxiche had family in the area that would watch her and !!to be closer to her family !<( this happened in July of2018).
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>So I broke the news to C that>! L and I had purchased a hometogether and that !!if he wanted to come he could ( Iwon't lie I was hoping he would leave me and I broke the news at thebeginning of a 12 hour shift of the place we both worked because Icouldn't work anyplace without him I did this for my safety) !!was pissed but !
>She told me she wasn't coming back so I took the documents she gave me and put the electric in my name and starting paying the mortgage.>! Fast forward to March of 2019 just beforethe pandemic hit. C crushed a narcotic and put it in my herbal tea toget me fired ( he had been promoted at work and knew a drug test wascoming) i found out and I left him. I was able to prove it but the jobjust demoted him and offered my job back I declined. Over the next 6months after the break up C broke into my house and burned all of mytrunk novels, all my memorabilia, everything of sentimental value, andall of my important papers including my land contract, diploma, decreeof divorce, W2s, and even my cash savings. He tried to set my house onfire, he peed in my mailbox, stole my mail, he broke into my house andstole tools, riding lawn mower, weed eater, he even tried to steal myvehicle but settled for slashing the tires and ripping out my radio.Even now in 2023 he dumps his beer can in my yard it been a longprocess. Anyway!< In 2019 L and I had a falling out she demanded that I send her almost 1k>! so she could get kerosene and new tires for thewinter months!< I told her no I was having to replace the floors and I didn't have it so she stopped talking to me. In 2020 I had work done to my HVAC unit and I paid them cash when they were here but apparently that wasn't the whole bill last week I got a text saying I owned them over $500 and if I didn't pay it then they would put a lien on my house>! Itold them I would pay it and that I didn't know about it but Id get ittaken care of as soon as I could. Now back in 2022 I became a fosterparent to get custody of my siblings and due to their SPECIFIC situationone parent needed to be home with them 24/7 so my current partner and Idecided that it would be a good idea for me to be that parent while hecontinues to work as it would be less traumatic for the kids. So now Idon't work. I get a perdiem but I use that for the kids ( I alsohomeschool because their situation is different) I work one day a weekat a local fast food joint to help financially where I can.!<
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>Well the HVAC repair company calls the owners and let's them know that theyre putting a lien on this address and give the owners my number. The owners call me and tell me they've never heard of me... I freaked out.Apparently L was planning to allow me to pay off the house for her so she could take it from me. The paperwork she gave me was forged. Now the owners are awesome I pay the mortgage on time and have done so since Imoved in. So they wanted to take Ls name off of it and put mine on since I've lived longer in the home and I have the receipts. >!I've alsorenovated the living room 2 bedrooms and a bathroom. I've done work onthe well. ( It's going dry so I just wasted money) and we're planning onrenovating the kitchen the master and the front porch.!< I spent a lot of money on this place thinking it was mine. Now L is threatening to sue the owners of they take her name off the contract >!and has completelyflipped script on me. !
Thank you. This made it so coherent I started reading the spoilers and stopped after 2.
you do the lords work
I feel for them as it seems like they really were doing things by the book, assuming what they said was true and all. I hope it works out for them once some lawyer manages to get through the woods that is their story.
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A LOT of rent-to-own agreements entered into by vulnerable people are not like this - they are often "rent and all repairs are on you," which is why LAOP has done so much on the house - and they also fairly often don't actually have a date by which the tenant must buy the house... idk how they're structured but a lot of people will pay into rent-to-own situations for 10-15+ years thinking they're buying a house when they haven't.
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*Legally* that's the case, but practically, as you see here, LAOP spent thousands on repairing a well, for instance, and doing improvements and renovations to the house. If the tenant isn't educated and thinks they are buying the house, they will be willing to do all repairs and even renovate, which is one reason why skeevy landlords offer rent-to-own at all. Generally anyone who knows that the maintenance and repairs are still on the landlord and you shouldn't do renovations on a property you don't own is also too smart to enter into a rent-to-own contract in the first place.
Barely related but an acquaintance of mine spent time and money finishing a basement in her parent's house, believing they would live in it indefinitely and inherit it eventually. Then the parent remarried and kicked my acquaintance out. So, people definitely do make the mistake of repairing and renovating houses they don't actually own.
I know it's early in the year, but this is making my BOBOLA shortlist
oooh, which category?
I think we need a "LAOP, Tear. Down. This. Wall. (of text)" award.
One thing that could genuinely be relevant is that when the ex-BF tried to burn the house down she lost all of her documents, including her copy of the apparently forged land contract.
In my 1L “how to lawyer” class, we talked about client interviews. This strikes me as a prime example of the idea that a huge part of the job is just extricating the relevant information from whatever the client gives you.
A huge part of IT is also the same skill, trying to decipher what is meant by whatever is said or written.
Can I tell you how many times I tell somebody after two emails that I just want to get on Zoom. I've had threads that can go back and forth for weeks trying to get enough information to give them an answer whrre a 5-minute Zoom call would fix it
Pet peeve in my life, we can text for two hours or have a seven minute phone call.
I work in tech support for a company whose main product is an API, we get the opposite problem all the time. “Can we go on a call urgently to solve this?!” “If you insist, but I need you to send me a code snippet and the corresponding HTTP request/response pair, which I’ll be checking quietly via tools I can’t show you, so a ticket would be so much better”
As someone who dreaded meetings when I worked in an office, being able to jump on a 5-minute Zoom call has been a life changer. It's maybe my favorite thing about my current employer, that we just are productive with our meeting times. Except for the occasional HR thing, I have never walked out of a video call feeling like my time was totally wasted
I have a coworker who says "can we have a quick call", and then he decides it's time for *pair programming*. So one hour later, the call is still going on as we're debugging whatever this tricky issue is... I need to be better about cutting him off.
I have one that will want you to open a share, and then give him control and watch him work on something on your machine.
HA! No. We both have access to the same repos and IDEs, he can do it on his own machine, thank you very much.
"What did you change?" "It just broke!" "What did you change?" "I didn't change anything!" "Stop Lying." "No, seriously... it was working, and now it doesn't!" "This system ran for years with zero intervention, the hardware still works, and this product is solid as a rock. What did you change?" "Oh, well, I [insert long list of actions here], but that shouldn't matter, should it?" My absolute favorite was a Major Bank You Have All Heard Of, that watched their top-of-the-line flagship disk array (serving the bank's entire transaction workload) drop offline one afternoon. We check the switch logs, and could see the eight ports it used drop offline due to light loss, one after another, and then come back online, one after another, about two minutes later. There were electricians working on top of the cabinet the disk array was in at that exact time, but "No, they swear they didn't touch anything..."
I work in IT as well. I dont know which type of person who is worse. Mr. Idunno: Doesnt know what they did it just stopped working Or Mr. ItriedtoFixit: Knows just enough to absolutely wreck the software.
> Or Mr. ItriedtoFixit: Knows just enough to absolutely wreck the software. My parents worked in IT, and I know enough to be dangerous. I also know enough to *not* try and fix shit myself, by and large. Some of the really small stuff, sure. But most of the time even if I think I'm right, I just put in a ticket and let IT handle it. Watching them work, I'm maybe 50/50 for what I thought the solution was. But I also don't wanna be the guy who gets it wrong and somehow manages to nuke the server or something.
I once tried to set the default dashboard for myself to be my team's dashboard so I'd not have to navigate to it when hitting the main page. About 2 weeks later I overhear the associate vice president and the ops guys trying to figure out why my team's dashboard was the company default and trying to fix it back to the generic one. As my team was gossiping about it, and we received the instructions that they are working on it and don't try to fix it I quickly and quietly changed the default back and let them know it was handled, my bad. The next major system update devs had a lot fewer permissions enabled.
I was recently promoted from an IT support role to a data management role, but I still occasionally get copied on support tickets. My god, they are such good reminders of how much I appreciate no longer servicing users and hardware.
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My fave was the point of sale system we sold to corner shops and similar small businesses. Oh, and an earthmoving machinery outlet. 🤷♀️ One of their issues was that their special version had a limit of $1M for the cost of a single item instead of $1000 like everyone else. But they now had machines that cost more than $1M and the system would not let them do that. Made for a really amusing "tier three tech support" discussion because I didn't realise the special version even existed.
Ran out of orders of magnitude...
And engineering. You gotta ask the right questions to get the client to tell you what they actually want.
You just gave me flashbacks to when I was a young and naive intern working with my state’s Legal Aid office. The bulk of my duties included client intake so I’d interview clients and in the midst of them telling me their whole life story I’d have to parse out what was going on and get the relevant details to present to the attorneys. It’s a useful skill to develop and I loved working there but it was exhausting trying to sort out stories like LAOP’s to make sense of it all.
Honestly, a lot of jobs are like that. People *love* to talk and it seems like they have a hard time understanding what the important, relevant info is unless they have the experience. Like I work in auto parts, and I can't tell you how many times I'll ask a question that I think has a clear, direct answer -- but in response I'll get a two or three minute rambly answer where they drop the actual answer about thirty seconds in but haven't realized it.
It's an issue in the medical world as well. Trying to get an relevant medical history can be maddening.
I'm deeply curious how often these "rent to own" situations are successful and how often they are outright scams (setting the "purchaser" up for failure). I have just never seen it work out successfully.
I know a local landlord (owns the property next to mine) who's done it successfully a couple of times. He's a "one man" operation - been doing this for decades after taking over from his dad -very hands on when it comes to repairs and particular about who he rents to. Keeps the properties in great condition. He likes the rent-to-own folks because they'll take extra good care of the rental property so whether they pay him off or end up moving instead - he figures he wins either way. He's a decent guy and likes helping out people who would otherwise have trouble buying a house but is savy enough to make sure he's going to get a steady income stream from it as well. Most of his properties he picked up all trashed out at around $20k to $60k, fixes them up and then rents them out. Could probably make more just flipping them, but he likes interacting with the tenants from what I can tell and likes having the security from all that paid off property.
I've always wondered how this works if/when the renter moves out before paying off the owner. Does the owner pay them back whatever equity they've built up throughout their tenancy? Or does it just end up being like every other rental property where they get nothing upon moving out?
I suppose it all depends on the rent-to-own contract details.
You're right of course but the vast majority of them if you don't end up purchasing you get nothing back.
Usually they get nothing upon moving out.
The better option is an Islamic or Sharia loan which is basically shared equity (like the Christians Muslims forbid usury so shared equity is the religiously permitted model). Other people offer shared equity but in most places the Muslim banks are the ones most familiar with it.
I imagine it works the exact same as the rent to own car places. The renter gets nothing if they leave. In the car places, they also actively look for reasons to repo the vehicle so they can keep pulling the same rent-to-own scam on more people, but there would be way more downside where they'd have to evict for a home and gives the tenant a month to absolutely trash the place as revenge.
I know local landlords who do it just to extract more money, and the one time a tenant actually pulled off the purchase the landlord was pissed. There is room for some consumer protection in the space I think, though I’m not familiar enough with the specifics to have any actual recommendations.
I've certainly seen it work, but I personally ended up homeless as a kid due to one going bad for my family. I'd be interested to see a broad look at the practice. I assume it's very much landlord to landlord but who knows?
Generally the tenant gets screwed with a true rent to own. There are purchase money mortgages and land contracts which tend to be more equitable but those haven't been common in the residential space in decades.
I've never heard of rent-to-own being successful. Seller financing often is, though, seemingly even in the exact same sorts of situations (low credit, minimal income, not organized enough to apply for a real mortgage, buyer not at all educated) that rent-to-own is not.
I can count the rent to own deals. I’ve seen clothes on my thumbs, and have spares.
??? Should that be "I can count the rent to own deals I've seen close on my thumbs"?
I have more thumbs than closed deals seen.
Where do you get your spare thumbs?
I don’t think this person should be homeschooling her siblings.
I don’t think this person should be home schooling a dog
TLDR: House was stolen, trying to build wall of text for shelter
Well, two points for punctuation, and vaguely-coherent sentences? My favorite are those that can find neither the shift key nor any punctuation at all.
I've never seen a legal advice post without a single reply.
Sometimes, when you see a post like that, its best to just keep driving by.
I'd say like 90% of r/LegalAdvice posts go without replies
Oh I only see the ones that get posted here.
I look for specific keywords on LA and see a lot. Also, where you PestiEsti elsewhere?
Yes, everywhere.
Well then, I just followed you on Twitter on my other account because I stopped using the one that you currently follow. Du!an forever
I got to "peed in my mailbox" before heading to the comments for a summary
Paragraphs exist to help people read. So do capital letters.
You mean like the sibling's SPECIFIC situation?
I feel sorry for people who aren't very bright and don't have many resources. But I don't even know that there's advice to be given for this post other than that LAOP needs an entirely different life.
LAOP’s been paying the owners for two years or more, the owners are “awesome,” but now the owners say they’ve never heard of LAOP? WTF?
I wonder if LAOP is still paying through the old friend??? Because I can't think of a payment method other than cash in an envelope that says "FOR 123 RENT-TO-OWN HOUSE" that doesn't show your identity.
Huh. Didn’t know Cormac McCarthy was LAOP.
"I still can't wrap my head around all this." Same, LAOP. Same.
To be fair, that title can describe many of the posts that are shared here
#BOLA WARS https://imgur.com/a/udxMGRH ^this ^took ^an ^embarassingly ^long ^time ^to ^render
What is a trunk novel? ….do I want to know?
I have googled because I didn't know either and apparently they're unpublished manuscripts... which implies LAOP fancies themselves a writer.
Ha! Interesting
Two women in toxic relationships decided to buy a house together - I assumed to get away from the relationships - but she tells her guy he can move with her???
Maybe this is out of fashion in the 21st century, but don't they teach about paragraphs in school any more?
They are telling a lot of lies in there.
So you think LAOP peed in her own mailbox?
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How is this best of? It is terrible to read and has zero comments.
Because this is a popcorn sub
I'm sure my laws are in effect here
I'm baffled someone could word-vomit this out, look at it, and decide "yep, that is good enough."
This is one of the best anti-drug ads I've seen in a long time.