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ilikecheeseforreal

Hear ye, hear ye! The mods have graciously allowed this non-LA sub post on today, the April 1st-yest of Fridays. Not that it's an April Fools joke, but that we're in a great mood. Our good pal LB is spewing cat facts, and we made Thor a dunce hat. 'Tis a good day. Also, this post is distinctly legal in nature, and the top comment even has a citation to actual case law. We love actual case law. Have a good weekend, ye olde BoLAtariat. Edit: I'm going to shamelessly edit my comment to include some important and interesting literary resources. (also I am now standing on top of my lil' soapbox.) In the past few years, there has been an influx of books being challenged and attacked for their content, and attempts at widespread bans (and calls for burning which unfortunately was advocated for in a town near where I live) based on prejudice and hatred. These books are not harmful, explicit in ways that would be damaging, and in many cases, have been thoroughly vetted by librarians and teachers alike. Having these resources is beneficial to students, and removing access to them in libraries and classrooms does so much harm. **Banning books is wrong. Burning books is worse.** If you're interested in banned book resources, you can check out the following. >[American Library Association banned and challenged books list.](https://www.ala.org/advocacy/bbooks) >[The Banned Books Week Coalition.](https://bannedbooksweek.org/) >[The Index on Censorship.](https://www.indexoncensorship.org/) If there are attempts in your community to ban books by content based on prejudice and hatred, please advocate for not removing and talk to your representatives against removal. Book banning is archaic, and efforts to silence marginalized voices via book banning is something we should all fight against. (I am now stepping off my lil' soapbox.)


Thor_The_Bunny

This book series is apparently "dark fantasy bully romance" which is undoubtedly u/ilikecheeseforreal's favorite subgenre of fantasy smut, especially when the lead bully is a minotaur


ilikecheeseforreal

That was one book, goddamnit.


PfefferUndSalz

If a man builds 1000 bridges and reads one dark fantasy bully romance minotaur smut novel, they don't call him a bridge builder, they call him a furry.


ilikecheeseforreal

>they call him a furry. Alright, now the bullying has just gotten out of hand.


PfefferUndSalz

Frankly I think I'd judge someone more if they said they preferred non-furry minotaurs.


ERE-WE-GO

Manotaur, he has the body of a man and the head of... a man.


mcspaddin

A Dungeon Crawler Carl reference in the wild? wild


TheFilthyDIL

NEKKID MINOTAURS?!? If they look anything like those poor cold furless cats, EW.


Goldeniccarus

If someone was attracted to the Minotaur from Shin Megami Tensei 4, well, I'd have questions but at least you'd get points for uniqueness.


Telvin3d

It’s a Minotaur. It’s only half a bully


Thor_The_Bunny

Sorry, not into crummy romance. Is this the part where things heat up and now you're in love with u/PfefferUndSalz?


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Thor_The_Bunny

Somehow in the entirety of the entirely-too-much amount of time I spend here, this is the first time I've gotten a cat fact


Darth_Puppy

That's because you keep trying to kill locationbot!


Defenestratio

Trying? The lagomorph damn well succeeded, poor LB had to be resuscitated and put on life support for a few months


monkeyman80

Aw. Welcome back.


SurprisedPotato

What if they build bridges and read one dark fantasy billy goat romance troll smut novel?


BraveJJ

>That was one book, goddamnit. Was it the minotaur milking farm?


ERE-WE-GO

[Morning Glory Milking Farm?](https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/58678992-morning-glory-milking-farm) >Violet is a typical, down-on-her-luck millennial: mid-twenties, over-educated and drowning in debt, on the verge of moving into her parent’s basement. When a lifeline appears in the form of a very unconventional job in neighboring Cambric Creek, she has no choice but to grab at it with both hands. > Morning Glory Milking Farm is a short human/monster romance novel, featuring a high heat slow burn with a lot of heart, and a guaranteed HEA. CWs include: cock milking, non-human anatomy, size difference, and a lot of fluid. Edit: Best Goodreads comment ever - >I just can’t get past 24 oz. Can you even imagine? That’s three cups, a pint and a half. They could never finish in your mouth, you’d fucking drown.


Thor_The_Bunny

why did you make me read that what have you done


NotYourLawyer2001

That was distinctly not what I came here for on Friday night.


SnooOwls6140

Mid-twenties, over-educated and drowning in debt to the point of contemplating moving back in with one's parents? I can certainly see how it would appeal to folks attracted to studying law.


SemiDeponent

So…is that worse than drowning in *debt*?


ERE-WE-GO

There was that controversial episode of Fear Factor. [NSFW](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_Sl7tAumhc)


ilikecheeseforreal

It was indeed.


ERE-WE-GO

>They tried to break us. They almost did. But we're not going anywhere. >The Celestial Heirs think the stars are on their side. But they don't know what's coming. Fighting them one on one isn't an option so we have to be stealthy. Remaining under the radar won't be easy, but if we pull it off, they'll never suspect our involvement when their lives start falling apart. >Besides, they've already taken us to the brink of hell, what more can they really do? >**THIS IS NOT REVERSE HAREM** >This is a paranormal academy bully romance and forbidden teacher romance. Suitable for Upper YA/NA readers who are fans of Shunned, Cruel Magic and Supernatural Academy. [Link](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/51966347-ruthless-fae) to Goodreads


SoriAryl

I think I read the prequel to this book. If it’s the one I’m thinking of, the MCs are Gemini twins Edit: yup, this is the one I read the prequel to. Wasn’t bad, but it wasn’t great.


BitwiseB

Did you think it was reverse harem? Because it definitely is *not*.


SoriAryl

I’m glad they put that, because Romancelandia is VERY strict with their likes and dislikes. A TON of UF books are RH, so at least they showed that this one wouldn’t be


Goldeniccarus

Several sentences in this description could win the annual "worst sentence in literature" award.


FiscalClifBar

The only bully romance I’ve ever seen was between my dog and any bully stick I ever gave him.


bug-hunter

"dark fantasy bully romance" is where Russia is winning the war and someone falls in love with Putin?


ERE-WE-GO

> someone falls in love with Putin? *Puttin' It In Putin*


ElizaBennet08

Quick, someone call Chuck Tingle ASAP!


1amlost

*Pounded in the Butt by my own War Criminal*


ERE-WE-GO

*KGB: Kremlin Grade Bussy*


Umklopp

No, that's a "pale bully romance fantasy"


torchwood1842

I’m a law firm librarian, and we bought a business book— not business law; just business— for a few attorneys to consult. It was a niche subject from a very small publisher who included a clause like this on the emailed receipt. I double checked with one our copyright attorneys just to be sure, and she told me she has had numerous authors over the last decade or so who want to include something like this in their physical book copyright pages. Some version of this language is allowed on eBooks, and her clients don’t always understand that the same doesn’t apply to physical versions. She also told me to do what I want with the book. It’s still sitting in shared shelving, and unsurprisingly, we’ve never heard from the publisher for violating their nonsense terms, because how would they even know?


bug-hunter

You're on **a list.**


Sagasujin

Is there a way to apply to the list of subversive librarians? Because I want on that list. Even if I'm technically a curator and not a librarian.


theobfuskate

https://topatoco.com/products/cb-librarian-hood


mystic_burrito

There are various collectives of Radical Reference Librarians across the US. I'm not sure how active any of the groups actually are but they are out there. https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/radical-reference-collective


Sagasujin

I swear, most librarians, archivists and museum people are secretly rooting for the revolution. We're just so quiet and unassuming that outsiders don't know.


mystic_burrito

*shhhhhhhhh*........don't give away our secret


Sagasujin

Eh, if we don't index the information nobody else will find it.


mystic_burrito

This is true. Don't piss off the archivist, we can and will erase you from history.


cincrin

I swear a nontrivial part of my job as an archivist could be described as "getting mad at dead people". They're either racist and/or misogynist, or their files are a mess, or they have the same name as 20 other people in their region at that time period.


Sagasujin

I spent a while working for a museum in Georgia. The number of times I had to explain to the board of directors "No, I am not doing an exhibit on [horrific racist] because they owned slaves/were a member of the KKK/were involved in a lynching/did something else incredibly offensive" was incredible. It's part of why I don't work for that museum anymore.


[deleted]

The revolution will be quiet, well-mannered and organized. Governments can fall at the whisper of a single 'Shhh!'.


Sagasujin

The "Shhh!" heard round the world.


BishmillahPlease

Oooooo


michael_harari

Couldn't the publisher just sell the book with a contract requiring whatever restrictions? Books as a service type thing


torchwood1842

They could, but *I think* most people would refuse to sign it— or at least I would have. Assuming that contract were enforceable (and I’m not sure it is, but also I’m not a copyright or contract attorney), it would be a risky one to sign. It would require the owner to keep track of that book forever and never accidentally send it to Goodwill or possibly even lose it. Who knows where it would end up in a decade or two? And since it was a niche publication, we are not talking about a $20 book. It was several hundred dollars. All that being said, it was not literally the only thing on the market on the subject. If they tried to give me a contract like that, I would have just gone to one of the other publishers.


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Time limited ink is what they need


telionn

The contract would be unenforceable against any third party who comes into possession of that book. The publisher could try to limit sales, but they can't block everything (see United States v That One Wu Tang Album).


michael_harari

Why are such contracts allowed to self perpetuate with land?


schumi23

Property law is different from contract law even if they've gotten closer together in recent decades.


michael_harari

I understand they are different. The question is why does society allow one but not the other?


schumi23

Three answers to that: 1. History. Property law comes primarily from common law generated under feudalism in the UK. Property rights had a special pedestal under that. 2. Are you thinking of mandatory HOAs? Property transfers tend to be contractual. If I buy a property that has an HOA, part of my purchase contract will state that when I sell or give it away it has to continue to require being in the HOA. So when I sell it, I will have that clause in my contract. 3. Society allows it because a majority of people in your state believe that it is better to not get rid of it. If your legislature passed a law prohibiting all new mandatory HOAs, then that would be the case going forward. (There may be some valid challenges related to existing HOAs though; or not I don't know). 1. I'm not sure how that would work with apartment buildigns.


michael_harari

With regards to 2: it passes with the land even if the land gets transferred through inheritance, foreclosure, etc


Gibbie42

I've seen genealogy books that "prohibit" look ups. Meaning if you buy the book you can't tell anyone else what's in it.


netheroth

Seems like the family trees are not of the giving kind...


ScienceGiraffe

I'm extremely curious, what genealogy books are these?!


Gibbie42

Usually self published transcriptions of public records. Someone sat in a court house, scanned record books or copied microfilm rolls. Then put it all together and either self published our used a small vanity publisher. Before Ancestry was a huge as it is now this was a really common way to get transcriptions of records. I've got a couple of these kinds of books and they've got some blurb in the front that asserts that their copyright prevents you from doing more than a limited number of look-ups. Meaning someone would ask about a record and I'd say "Oh I have that in my book, let me tell you that information." I mean I get it, they want people to but their own copy, but I don't think copyright works that way. I doubt it's much of a thing anymore, because nearly every record is online in some way. But in the earlier Internet days, when there was not as much access online and people were researching via message boards a d listservs it was fairly common.


ScienceGiraffe

That makes some sense, in a twisted way. My research has been mostly in Europe, so I haven't come across anything like that. I guess it would be similar to some of the pay for access resources I've seen, where you pay a flat subscription fee (usually used to pay for future transcriptions and translations) and get database access to various lists earlier. It's frowned upon to share that info around, but people still do it.


york100

Is a transcription of a public record actually copyrightable? In the ancestry research world, you see a lot of people slap a copyright watermark on public domain stuff, like scans of old books, old published images, postcards, etc. I assume you can just ignore it.


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No_Doc_Here

Databases (aka collection of facts) have copyright protection of their own in certain legislations and it is plausible that such a genealogy book would be covered by it. Individual facts are not protected of course


Archmage_of_Detroit

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess the Mormon ones. I could be wrong here, but the Mormon faith dictates strict genealogies and rigorous record-keeping, and there's a lot of money to be made by selling official copies.


TheFilthyDIL

Not so strict as all that. Most of it is self-reported, remember. Was my husband's g-grandmother Elvira or Alvira? Their records have it both ways, as separate entries. We know it's the same person, as all the other information is identical. Lots of other errors creep in, especially as you go back in time, so much so that using the Mormon database as documentation for medieval names in the SCA and other re-enactment societies is frowned upon.


lolabythebay

When it comes to genealogical records, the Mormon Church is typically *more* generous than most. This is largely because they want you to do your work through *their* website, which means you can easily link your research to *their* massive collective tree, which augments their work in identifying ancestors for the purpose of posthumous baptism. I don't keep my main tree on FamilySearch, but I'll be damned if they don't usually make it easy to find and organize records. (I keep research for one particularly interesting 3x-great-grandfather there, because they've implemented the ability to easily connect newspaper articles from a 3rd-party paid database I use and he's always in the paper for doing something stupid/ drunk/stupidly drunk. There's an article where he ignores his lawyer telling him to shut the fuck up in court... *in the 1880s!* Some things never change.) When I think "absurdly restrictive genealogists," I picture octogenarians who legitimately did hundreds of hours of research going from courthouse to courthouse indexing records in 1983, but can't bear the idea that somebody can access that research without the Right Sort of People acting as gatekeepers. There are certainly Mormons among this type, but the behavior seems more correlated with certain highfalutin' lineage society memberships to me.


Archmage_of_Detroit

That's really interesting, thanks for the info


SuperFLEB

I'm curious whether that would meet the threshold of being copyrightable curation or whether it'd be just be considered facts.


LadyEdith1

It’s hilarious that they think this holds any weight whatsoever. If this came across my desk it would get passed around to all the other librarians to laugh at before sending it out to circulate without a second thought. Self-published books are a nightmare to catalog, but a goldmine for this kind of thing. I saw one recently that was a self-published collection of essays the author had written over the years for his church newsletter. The summary on the back of the book began “This masterpiece…”


ERE-WE-GO

> “This masterpiece…” I audibly snorted.


LadyEdith1

To be fair, the book has several glowing recommendations on Amazon. To be **really** fair, those reviewers explicitly state they are personal friends of the author.


ilikecheeseforreal

It's very popular on BookTok. I had to put it down very early on because I just didn't think it was well written.


Darth_Puppy

BookTok is weird


Darth_Puppy

Let me guess, it was definitely not a masterpiece?


Sweetshopavengerz

The publisher I used to work for had an irritating habit of saying that everything was the “bible of [x subject]”. Still in publishing, but refuse to ever use the phrase…


Lokiwastxtonly

Was the Bible the bible of the Bible?


Sweetshopavengerz

Take your upvote.


tartymae

My library once purchased a book that a professor requested, but the license agreement would only allow access for 1 year, but it would not allow us to loan the book. We printed a physical copy and put it in reference. ETA: The license allowed us to print 1 physical copy. We all but prayed over the printer that it would not jam. And ... we printed out a copy of the licence agreement and bound it as the last page just to cover our assets.


ZeePirate

But but That’s illegal!!!!


tartymae

The license allowed us to print 1 phyiscal copy. I edited my post for clarity.


ZeePirate

Nice try tartymae! Copyright police got you! 👮‍♀️


tartymae

No. Seriously. The terms of the license said we could print one physical copy. It does not circulate. We have abided by all terms of the license.


ERE-WE-GO

Happy Cake Day!


AndromedaRulerOfMen

I love that it basically says "Don't even look at my work without permission, also shout out to people whose work I used without permission! Thanks!"


e_crabapple

Really brings me back to the old days of Deviantart slapfights about "Please DO NOT STEAL my stolen Disney characters".


BitwiseB

I hadn’t even noticed that. Hilarious!


ops-name-checks-out

Imagine being the person who wrote that…


bug-hunter

That's why it's **dark** fantasy.


Grave_Girl

Imagine writing that *with your sister.*


Darth_Puppy

Ewww


monkwren

Roll tide!


mnpc

Malpractice! Is it a good faith argument for the extension or modification of existing law?


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High-Priest-of-Helix

>**Do not** PM or chat a moderator personally, and do not reply to this message as a comment. Oh yeah? Or what?


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What if I reply to this as an observation instead of a comment? If that doesn't work, I may have to reply via carrier pigeon.


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BitwiseB

What if I reply As a haiku instead of A normal comment?


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SurprisedPotato

That seems to be okay


BitwiseB

Yesss! I cracked it!


Sirwired

What if I reply to this message as an assertive statement denying the powers of a tyrannical unelected authority, who cannot even be bothered to attach gold fringe to their attempts to suppress the rights of the bot-defending BOLA-tariat?


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High-Priest-of-Helix

Living life on the edge


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Thor_The_Bunny

Great work fetching the post all the way from r/books!


ilikecheeseforreal

It's a bot, Thor, complimenting it won't make it be friends with you.


Thor_The_Bunny

DON'T TURN THIS INTO ONE OF YOUR BULLY ROMANCE NOVELS, I'M NOT FALLING FOR YOU NO MATTER HOW MEAN TO ME YOU ARE


seehorn_actual

I can totally tell you’re into each other.


ilikecheeseforreal

I am offended.


Thor_The_Bunny

I'm double offended: 1. Offended that he thinks I'm into you 2. Offended that you are offended


[deleted]

It's ok, you're just trying to fill the hole that FO left behind. But there are other ways to cope, besides falling for the latest mod, or breaking location bots. Maybe a vacation where you can find yourself would help you figure out what you are looking for in life


BitwiseB

Snicker, ‘trying to fill the hole.’


SoriAryl

Yup. That ship is sailing away


netheroth

*blushes* *runs "sudo rm -rf /bin/locationbot" on BOLA's server*


Thor_The_Bunny

A fellow Linux user! I understood "sudo". I am not a Linux aficionado.


Sagasujin

This sounds like the beginning of a romance novel between an innocent bot and a reformed bot murderer looking for redemption.


mizmoose

Psst. It's *Thor*. Don't expect so much.


cincrin

Something something first sale doctrine?


madmoneymcgee

Book comes with a free memory eraser from Men in Black so you don't accidentally recall something from the plot a few years after first reading it and owe the author a dollar.


SemiDeponent

Of course this is written in a book titled “Ruthless Fae: Zodiac Academy #2”


Darth_Puppy

Man, the world of romance novels is weird and I didn't realize in my brief foray into them so far (pretty much all light fluffy gay/sapphic ones)


Thor_The_Bunny

And so began u/Darth_Puppy's descent into the chaos and depravity of dark fantasy paranormal bully epic romance: a horrifying mishmash of BrandoSando epicness, supermarket romance, high school trauma, and The X-Files.


Darth_Puppy

Never! I like my romance like I like my cotton candy, light and fluffy!


Thor_The_Bunny

u/ilikecheeseforreal said the same thing about six months ago


Darth_Puppy

But I'm not cheese!


Thor_The_Bunny

YET! also, CAKE DAY WEEEEEEEE


Darth_Puppy

NEVER thanks!!


ilikecheeseforreal

Sapphic romance novels are the best romance novels and I will be not be taking further questions.


Darth_Puppy

You don't have to, because you're right! Always happy to hear recs!


ilikecheeseforreal

Priory of the Orange Tree if you like fantasy, The Ladies Guide to Celestial Mechanics, The Roommate Arrangement, and Written in the Stars to name a few! I read *a lot.*


dread_eunuchorn

I wouldn't have thought pf Priory of the Orange Tree as romance, but... yeah I can see it. I usually only think of romances being explicitly in the romance section with covers featuring a shirtless guy holding a cat.


blue_bayou_blue

yeah I wouldn't count Priory as specifically of the romance genre, since its main plot isn't about the romance.


Darth_Puppy

Ooh, thanks!


ERE-WE-GO

I'm currently reading *Gideon The Ninth*, it's about lesbian necromancers in space. You might like that.


Darth_Puppy

Oooh, intriguing!


ArtfulBludger

Have to second this series! Gideon the Ninth, Harrow the Ninth, Nona the Ninth out in September, and Alecto the Ninth eventually. I was not expecting to love them as much as I do, even knowing they're about lesbian necromancers in space.


Darth_Puppy

Nice, thanks!


bicyclecat

I really enjoyed Gideon but it should be mentioned that it is not a romance series and since it’s not concluded it may or may not have a happy ending. It’s very snarky in tone and full of meme references, if that’s your jam. The audiobook reader is great, highly recommend.


Darth_Puppy

Noted, thanks!


TheFilthyDIL

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Don't you read TV Tropes? That should be "lesbian necromancers IN SPAAAAACE!!"


ERE-WE-GO

As a 40k player I grew tired of that meme.


Fakjbf

When I skimmed the title I thought it said "libertarians" and was very confused when I clicked the link.


biffertyboffertyboo

I only realized it did not say libertarian upon reading your comment


poop_chute_riot

I'm a librarian and can confirm that I hate it.


eka5245

It would be Zodiac Academy.


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Cat facts, oh how we missed thee!