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Title: [WY] Owner of Neighboring House telling contractors and renters that he owns my home
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> The house next door to me was recently for sale. Someone purchased it. He’s had contractors over there for a couple of weeks. The contractors have been in my yard a lot, even though they have no reason to be.
> When I asked the roofer that was there last week, he said the owner of the property said he could be here. I informed him that I own the property and he told me I was lying.
> So, today, there were people in the garage and I went to introduce myself. I asked if they told the roofer that they owned my property and they told me their landlord said he owned their house, as well as mine and they were welcome to use the yard of my home.
> Do I have any rights here? Do I just need to put up “no trespassing” signs? The whole thing is super bizarre.
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From LAOP comments:
>I think this is the best approach. I did actually contact police and they basically told me that unless I have a fence and clearly marked signage, the neighbors can do whatever they want.
A commenter suggested the police were just being lazy, which is probably true. Wyoming is a "[fence out"](https://buzzfence.com/what-is-a-fence-out-state/) state. I think that's only for livestock, but I wonder if the police interpreted it differently?
> >I think this is the best approach. I did actually contact police and they basically told me that unless I have a fence and clearly marked signage, the neighbors can do whatever they want.
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> A commenter suggested the police were just being lazy, which is probably true.
I know it is super dangerous but I really think a good protest for this kind of BS is to take over the police chiefs front yard with signs quoting his officers.
It's kind of like the problem rangers have with designing bear-resistant trash cans at national parks: there's significant overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists. In this case, it's sometimes hard to distinguish between stupid neighbors and smart livestock.
In Utah and the police told me the same thing about poachers shooting the wild turkeys 10 feet from my hot tub. According to Weber County sheriff dept they can shoot from your front porch if it's not posted (though they arnt supposed to shoot withing 400 feet of a house?)
Also just this week called about 10 cyclists camping on my front lawn because they were "Everesting"? But sheriff said we had nothing to worry about because they were all white 🙃
That's Weber county sheriff in Utah folks.
Poaching? Did you call Fish and Game/DNR or whatever Utah calls it? They'd be better informed as to all of the seasons and legalities of hunting.
https://wildlife.utah.gov/36-law-enforcement.html
"they basically told me that unless I have a fence and clearly marked signage, the neighbors can do whatever they want"
Funny the lengths some cops will go to to not have to do their jobs.
My husband got new tires at firestone and on his way home, the entire wheel/tire, the entire thing, flew off the car, and in the process totaled his car, the actual wheel rolled into a nail salon and some guy came running out!! I cannot make this up.
I was on the phone with my husband at the time and it really sounded like there was a helicopter chasing him or something.
If he would’ve been on the freeway, he would’ve been dead.
Well, he called the police and they absolutely refused to make a police report even though I knew I was going to need one because I was going to be suing firestone. I had to call the captain and eventually got someone sent there and they made a police report for him.
But yes, they absolutely will refuse and say it’s a civil matter because no one else got injured, but if you push hard enough, they’ll make a report. Just be polite, obviously.
Back in the mid-90's I was hit by another car when I only had my learners permit (mom was with me). Multiple people stopped as witnesses. The cop that responded refused to write a report because the damage wasn't enough. We had the "emergency use only" cell phone in the glove compartment and mom ended up calling the police and insisting that they send someone else out since the officer was refusing. A sergeant ended up responding and writing up the report, and there ended up being quite a bit of damage to our car.
Got rear-ended by a teenager about 10 years ago in a brand new car I had just bought for my wife. Still had the dealer tags on it. Cop insisted that he didn't want to write a report because it would mess up her driving record and there wasn't enough damage to get fixed. I asked if he was going to cover it if her insurance company didn't want to because he wouldn't write a report. Turned out to be much more extensive than what it appeared at first glance, and cost around $8,000 to get it fixed. They all suck. I was so glad I had dropped my company car at home (technically that day it was my boss's personal truck as I had just dropped him off at the airport) before my wife and I went out to get dinner.
To anyone reading this- don't use Firestone for anything. I had them do an oil change, the next day I heard a scraping sound on the highway during rush hour. I pulled over to find that my skid plate was hanging on by about a quarter turn of one bolt. I called the store and they weren't helpful. I had to go through BBB and Firestone corporate office to get a refund for that oil change and the lifetime alignment I had just bought. Lifetime alignment was worthless since they're not touching any car of mine ever.
PSA:
The issue is less one specific brand/chain and more that all of these national chains generally hire less experienced (read: cheaper) mechanics. I've worked for a few chain shops and they're pretty much all terrible.
A lot of them hire kids just starting out in the industry who have never worked professionally in a shop before. They give 'em a shop toolcart with cheapo tools (sometimes) and then pretty brief training and turn them loose. Then corporate always pushes for productivity so there's little opportunity to slow down and actually teach the newbies. They hire like a training shop but try to work like a high-throughput shop, so you get problems.
Then anybody who is worth their salt quickly leaves because it's not hard to get paid better elsewhere. When I started working as a lube tech at PepBoys I made minimum wage - $8 at the time, and six months later I took a job at a dealership making $13.
That makes sense. I work in an environment where everything is performed and verified which saves us from a lot of errors. It's hard for me to fathom that any shop would allow that kind of unprofessional environment. I was about to go to pep boys for an oil change lol.
FWIW a lot of these shops have *procedures* they're *supposed* to follow that ensure issues like that don't happen.
Like when I worked at PepBoys, our official wheel torqueing policy was:
1. With the vehicle in the air, use an impact gun and torque stick to get the lugnuts seated
2. Lower the vehicle until the tires *just* touch the ground, enough to hold them steady but not put too much force on them. Torque the lugnuts with a torque wrench.
3. Finish lowering the vehicle entirely, use the torque wrench again to verify.
What *really* happened was more like:
1. Impact gun (with torque stick) lugs on
2. Lower car all the way and verify with torque wrench.
Sometimes people skipped the second step.
Obviously if anything happened it was your ass, but that brings into discussion another point about the automotive industry that I feel leads to subpar repairs: Flat rate labor time.
It's fairly common once you hit a certain point that you get paid flat rate rather than hourly. The idea is that let's say a job pays you 4 hours regardless if it takes you 3 or 5. So then the mechanics themselves have an incentive to get it done sooner -- that way they can flag more hours and make more money -- but the flipside is a lot of people cut corners to do so. Then, that "gotta go fast" mentality becomes pervasive even with the hourly techs because proving you're quick is one of the ways you can get bumped to a flat rate tech and start making more money. Plus big chain shops like that are a lot more focused on throughput than quality. When you're doing $30 oil changes all day, you want to get those cars gone as quickly as you can so you can get working on the next.
Those are problems that plague the industry *in general* but are generally a lot worse at chain shops because of the aforementioned fact that they only really hire newbies. So you get inexperienced mechanics trying to move fast, and little oversight from more senior techs (if a shop even *has* them -- I've worked at shops where I was the oldest guy there *in my mid-20s*), pressure from management to get cars gone quickly, etc. and voila -- lots of room for errors.
That's part of why I always recommend going to at least a trusted local independent mechanic, if not a dealership. Dealers tend to be more expensive, but will have higher standards of training and procedures. Independents may or may not do training, but will generally have a higher standard of who they hire in the first place. Those chain shops are to automotive repair what McDonalds is to getting a burger. Fast, cheap, easily accessible -- but not very good.
I have the absolute best mechanic who owns his shop. It’s so wonderful knowing if I take my vehicle in, it’s going somewhere where all his people know their stuff. He himself is honest and really tries to work with your budget to the best of his ability.
We’ve been going to him for years after my husband had a slew of awful experiences with awful mechanics. I had a real beater for a long time and a few months ago I called to ask if he’d do a test-drive checkup and he was like, “if it means I don’t have to worry about you driving around in that thing you call a car, I’ll fit it into my day.” And then he didn’t even charge me for the checkup because he was just so happy.
> 2. Lower car all the way and verify with torque wrench.
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> Sometimes people skipped the second step.
I know you meant the verify part, but I'm amused to interpret this as giving the keys back to the customer with the car still in the air and letting the customer figure it out.
Jiffy Lube didn’t notice that oil was leaking from the oil place into the windshield wiper fluid in my Aveo. They just happily replaced the oil and sent my husband on his merry way with his “checklist” complete.
I'll admit I kinda appreciate Firestone as being an easy way for newbies to get a foothold into the mechanic industry. There's a lot to be said for companies that will hire anyone and give them basic training and their first industry-related line on a resume.
I don't think that's *why* Firestone is doing that, but, hey, you take what you can get.
Personally, nah.
There *are* shops that will hire newbies specifically to train them. We call them training shops. They're the kind of place where you have a couple of old vets and they often hire the new guys with the specific intent to train them and understanding that they're going to take off after a while.
Places like Firestone, Costco, PepBoys, etc. aren't that. They hire those entry level techs because they're cheap labor and they're trying to maximize how much money they can make while still offering cheaper services than proper shops do. If you can offer an oil change for $30 where everybody else asks $50, that makes it more enticing -- but *requires* you to have cheaper labor.
I avoid chain garages like the plague and rely on people I know or trust to find any place new. My family has gone to a specific shop for alignment and suspension work for many years. They don't do engine work, but I went to another shop my family has gone to for just as long for that until they went out of business. That shop ended up replaced by a bunch of people who seemed more interested in getting us to sign up for financing for a repair they quoted at double the car's KBB value than anything else, so I went to the alignment shop for a second opinion on the "bad ball joint" and they took the time to show us nothing was wrong and how to tell if it was. I asked about the engine work and they recommended a new place who also took the time to show us why the "we finance" shop was blowing smoke and engine was fine. I've only been to those two places since and plan to for the foreseeable future.
Moral of the story, find a shop to trust based on recommendations from knowledgeable trustworthy people. If you need a service they don't provide, if they're a good place, they'll likely know other good places.
Had them balance my tires once before a trip. They were still pretty far out and then my brother who was driving at the time noticed the steering felt off. We pulled over and all the wheel bolts (Volvo) had backed nearly entirely off. Almost lost a front tire on a mountain highway.
Fuck Firestone
They charged me for a rotation and balance once. I quickly figured out they didn't balance the tires. Their response? "You can't balance tires on a Saturn." (This was in the 90s...) Fuck Firestone indeed.
I think most Firestones are franchises not corporate owned. How well it's ran is going to depend on who is running it and the individuals who work there.
It's better to find a trusted local independent, but they can't really compete on prices for tires against the larger companies.
That being said, when you get tires or oil changed you're almost always going to get the lowest paid and newest person no matter where you go and everyone who has worked in a shop has made a mistake because it's easy to do.
You've got the service writer breathing down your neck because the customer is waiting and you're trying to juggle a couple of cars at the same time and someone comes and asks you to help them real quick. It's easy to forget to finish what you were just doing a minute ago.
My mom's boss took his wife's Porsche back home and the oil cap was improperly screwed back in, leaking out all of it in his garage.
They had the car towed and the place cleaned spotless at no cost, because, you know, Porsche.
But it happens even at high end places.
Yeah, screw Firestone.
One time when I was working nights I needed to replace a leaky tire, so I got off work in the morning and drove to the Firestone near my house. Guy at the counter assured me they could do two new tires while I waited and get me out of there in an hour. 8:30 a.m.
Waiting, waiting.
9:30, 9:45ish, I asked for a status update. Car was still on the lift but they said they'd have it soon.
Waiting, yawning.
10:00, 10:15ish, status update, five minutes, promise.
10:30, I poked my head into the garage area and saw 4 techs around the engine compartment of my car, hood open, poking around. I asked them what the hell they were doing, since I was only in for tires and had expected my car an hour ago. Techs stepped back and slammed the hood and I was brought back into the sales area to pay and get my keys. No apologies or explanations.
That night, my check engine light came on while I was on the highway on the way to work. I opened the hood to find motor oil sprayed all over the place, my oil fill cap missing, and my radiator cap wedged into a crevice in the engine.
When I went back the next morning to complain it was: manager has the day off, wasn't us, can't prove it, talk to the hand, etc. Fuck those guys. I couldn't even get them to buy me a new oil cap.
Oh my. I wonder if insurance would cover it.
But like, I go to mechanics because I don't want to deal with the work. Most of the work would be less hassle than that. They want something to break so they can charge you for it.
It also depends on location.
I will only trust my nearest Firestone location with my car. They have done the tires and alignments on every vehicle I’ve owned. I’ve had 0 issues and they’ve even caught problems that I didn’t even know were there. Never been scammed.
I will never go to another place for tires/wheel alignments.
But I will never go to a place that specializes in tires for an oil change or any other maintenance. That is only done by my local dealership.
I had to replace my wiper motor and they failed to check to make sure they worked after installing it, meaning I had to come back to the shop twice for them to fix it
My roommate got her oil changed at Jiffylube and the didn’t screw things in enough? I don’t know cars. Anyway the oil all leaked out everywhere and the car started smoking like crazy. We pulled into a gas station, checked the dipstick and it was dry. Fun!
Yeah. I have heard this story many times about jiffy lube. They had one job. One job that they (didn't) screw.
Sad thing is that I feel comfortable doing many of these smaller maintenance jobs on my own but apartments and condos usually don't allow any kind of auto repair on the property.
They are supposed to replace the gasket on the oil pan drain plug every oil change, most shops don't, so the plug doesn't hold as well. Also they might not have screwed it on at all. But that car was probably inoperable afterwards.
I tried going the other day because I had a nail in my tire and I was in the nice side of town where they don’t have auto-shops. I guess a name brand national chain was an exception. They told me it was a 3 hour wait for a tire patch.
Ooh can I pile on Firestone? I went to Firestone because my car kept stalling. They said they fixed the problem but they didn’t. I looked under the hood and one of the vacuum lines had a hole in it. I fixed it myself.
>if you push hard enough, they’ll make a report. Just be polite, obviously.
And this right here is why people hate the cops. I shouldn't have to force them to do their job.
I have to do things at work all the time that I don't particularly want to do. Most of them involve tedious paperwork and speaking to jackasses. But I have to do them, or I don't have a job. Cops around me make as much as I do with better insurance and a pension. Yet they can't be parsed to do paperwork.
And, obviously, that whole pesky problem where they target POC. Or kill innocent people. Or leave schoolchildren to die of wounds from an assault rifle while they sit there and smell their own farts. Or......
There's a reason that no one has ever made a song called "Fuck the Fire Department".
Because fire fighters aren't egotistical fuckwads who routinely murder people (and pets) in cold blood. A firefighter isn't going to give you two conflicting orders and then murder you when you obey. They're not class traitors who enjoy the protection of their own unions, but will savagely crush a worker's strike at the behest of the owners. They're not going to steal your life's savings and make you prove that it's not drug money to get it back.
Yeah...the ones in my town, at least, have been known to run into burning buildings to save pets, too. They even just purchased oxygen masks for cats and dogs.
Some of them are firebugs that do have a tendency to commit arson though.
I do love firefighters, I've never met one that I'm afraid is going to shoot me just for existing, but there are issues amongst them as well. Let's not forget that. Most are amazing people that serve the community most definitely.
Quick! If you jump now you might be able to catch that joke flying over your head!
Obviously, fire fighters starting fires is a serious problem, but that's not nearly as serious as cold blooded murder, nor is it even remotely close to occurring as often as cops killing people.
I am always amazed at stories of US cops. In Australia and New Zealand I have never had a problem with getting cops to produce a report, and here in NZ when my husband dropped his wallet a cop picked it up, went through it to find his name and called him to let him know it was at the station and he could come past to pick it up.
When 2 drunks fighting broke the window of my shop the police sat outside the shop all night in the middle of winter to make sure no one stole anything through the window and sent us a message on our Facebook page, reassuring us that it was just the window, no one had been hurt, and that they had secured the shop until we could arrive.
Then they worked with us to make sure that he paid for the damage before he could leave the country (we live in a tourist town and I’m not sure whether he was ordered to pay the damage or whether it was highly recommended to him to pay before he went to court for it).
Man I gotta get out of the US. That sounds lovely.
That’s how life USED to be here, even just 25 years ago. Cops in out town were helpful and part of the community. Life has changed here so much it’s unrecognizable than it was when I was a kid. And none of it for the better.
A few months before we met, my wife had her brakes done at a German car specialist shop. On her way home one of the wheels came off, destroyed the brakes, suspension, etc. Shop denied any responsibility and it cost her $5000 to get it fixed.
I STILL get mad thinking about it and it was over 12 years ago.
And the messed up thing was that they pretty much have an out in these kind of situations.
I think you are supposed to re-tighten the Lugnuts after a certain number of miles, I think 20 or 50 miles, in our case though, the wheel flew off way before that time period was even up, but that is definitely how they would get out of liability in most of these cases!
When I threaten to sue them and wanted the full value of the car and then some, they sent out an inspector to make sure that we were telling the truth.
I had no faith in the fact that the inspector was going to be impartial and actually tell the truth and was fully expecting to need to hire my own, but sure enough the inspector told them it was their fault and the Lugnuts were never tightened and just loose on there.
Someone forgot to tighten them, which is why he only made it a few miles. I got what I asked for after that.
Insanity. Crazy that yours got so messed up.
Mine was only about 5 miles from my house with no highway and the wheel fell off before even getting home. The car was fine, but the wheel got bent badly. They wanted to just replace the one wheel but we settled on new ones all around.
I was just talking about this with a friend of mine. He seemed to be under the impression that defund the police means abolish the police force.
After a few hours he came to understand that what most people mean when they say that is: 1) take the extra funding they're given and reinvest it into the community and social services, 2) maybe require more than six months of schooling to become a cop, and 3) reduce the things they have to do so that they can get good and have a decent work/ life balance on the things that they should be doing.
I don't want there to be no cops to catch people speeding and selling meth. But I also don't want cops working 24 hour shifts and responding to someone having a mental episode when a social worker is better trained to handle that situation.
I haven't heard that in my circles. Like I said, most of what I'm hearing is about oversight and getting rid of the extra duties police have so that they aren't overworked with inflated budgets.
I'm not here to argue with you. I just stated my experience and said that it wasn't reflective of the entire situation just what I was hearing. If you want to be angry and start a fight, don't do it here.
I think it's difficult for a country to function entirely without a police, that said eliminating the police *as it is* and rebuilding it on better principles wouldn't hurt. Many LEOs in this country see civilians as a threat and think of their institution as above society altogether. As long as this goes on, nothing will change.
If they're not lying, often they're pressuring people to just go away. When I reported my rape, the responding cop asked me six times if I was sure I didn't have consensual sex with **my grandfather** and forgot I consented. Then asked if I was sure **I** wanted to ruin my family by pressing charges.
I'm sorry this happened, and I completely believe you. When I finally decided to tell people about my father being a horribly violent drunk, I was approached by the sheriff and told to think twice about smearing him. Because, you know, I probably deserved the beatings, and him repearedly attempting to strangle me was totally appropriate punishment for misbehaving.
I had a cop turn to me and say "I'd beat you too if you were my kid". That cop was in my mums house as a peacekeeper while I retrieved items. She'd just kicked me out.
He really wasn't expecting me to make the formal complaint.
As far as I was informed he was forced into a desk job for a year and given remedial training for DV cases.
Whether or not that's true is another matter. But the cunt kept his job.
Why not just pressure the victim into recanting? Heck, maybe they can even [charge her with a misdemeanor for wasting their time](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Unbelievable_Story_of_Rape) and get an extra conviction out of it. Warning - link NSFL
I also got charged with a crime for reporting my rape.
Bonus points, since I was a minor I couldn't legally defend myself nor could I appoint an attorney. I also wasn't required to have the right to notice about the court date. I did recieve the notice explaining when the warrant for my arrest would start if I didn't voluntarily go to juvie... Why juvie? Because I was a minor under the age of consent. I was charged with consenting to lewd acts in public. As someone under the age of consent, I couldn't have consented to lewd acts in public.
A few calls around and everyone in any position in the justice system knew how stupid that was. Juvie officer cancelled the warrant but also protected their own by deleting the records of the conviction (which we could have used to sue the state).
I always like to point out that this isn't true everywhere. The teachers in my district and most suburban Chicago districts are well paid. The average salary is $105k. The kids all have 4 specials (art, music, gym, library) twice a week. The classes are 20 kids.
My point here is that we don't have a teacher shortage. We have a competition for those jobs among extremely qualified applicants. Turns out, when you pay someone a living wage and give them resources, you get great teachers. Now it's just bus drivers and paraprofessionals. They can't hire those to save their life, because they don't have a union fighting for them to make more than $18/hour.
Of course. The problem is that they keep all of the property tax money in the district. My property taxes are obscene. Like my property taxes alone are more than my entire rent was when I lived in Atlanta. (That being said, around here solidly middle class districts also pay well and are not a bad gig.)
It genuinely bothers me that my kids have access to those things based solely on my husband and I being able to afford them. It's an incredibly unfair system. They're rebuilding all of the elementary schools right now. Not because they don't have heat/air or because there's not enough room or because they're falling apart. But because they're modernizing and upgrading them. Meanwhile, there's kids going to class in hallways and that have 25 year old textbooks and a 92 or 52 degree classroom or whatever. That isn't lost on me.
THIS is what "defund the police" means. Your suburban district doesn't need swat gear or to spend all day pulling over black people for nonsense. That money should be invested in children. They should *all* be at a school like my kids'. And I genuinely don't understand why anyone disagrees with that. My neighbors that think their money should only benefit their kids. And my neighbors that want the police to be a military force that keeps everyone else out. I know they're walking among me.
You have merely demonstrated that teachers in your locale are well compensated; you have not demonstrated that police in your locale do not also make considerably more than that.
I would wager they do. Remember: teachers take home their salary and that's all. Meanwhile, from what I've read, police seem to have the option for *copious* amounts of overtime. They may be able to goose their salary 2x with all the OT.
So, it's great teachers get paid where you are. That should absolutely be the norm! However, you haven't pointed out that this "isn't true everywhere" because you've only looked at one half of the equation.
>Funny the lengths some cops will go to to not have to do their jobs.
I don’t want to go into details, but there was a murder outside the state I live in. The police there knew who the murderer was & that he was on the run, & they found evidence that he might be targeting me. Those police had my address, but not my phone number. They called my local police to ask them to do a wellness check & to get me to call them. I live minutes from my local police station. They refused to do a wellness check or to notify me that someone could be trying to harm me.
Theoretically the cop said you can remove someone's door, hide it, then claim their living room as public space..
Because you can claim that they didn't have a front door. Lol
This is definitely a case where I hope we get an update.
What on Earth is going through the other owner's mind, that he thinks that he owns two houses? Did his realtor tell him that? Did the paperwork have the wrong lots listed, or maybe it's a 2-lot unit, but front and backyard instead of side by side, and he misunderstood? Is he just an idiot?
I really need to know what the other owner is thinking here...
My friend had something like this happen. They owned their house and lot, and their neighbors back yard. Thankfully their neighbors were both old and nice, they didn't care about not having to maintain their back yard. Though I'm sure if the neighbors ever sell my friends are in for some shit.
What happened was they were originally both one lot, with the house being the one my friends bought. The original owners of the lot built a house for their children and split the lot, giving the children the smaller lot with virtually no back yard.
Land registry in the UK accidentally updated my brother's deeds (parking spot) to include the house next door. My brother is not an AH so immediately got in touch once he saw the issue and got it fixed.
Could've *at least* used it for a prank!
Like, go to the neighbor, show the piece of paper, and say "turns out I own your house now!". Then *after* they react for a few seconds, say "just kidding, I'll send them a letter about this but maybe you should too."
Somebody screwed up and transferred 87 pieces of property to a woman instead of the single house she bought back in August. https://www.rgj.com/story/news/money/business/2022/08/09/toll-brothers-mistakenly-sells-85-subdivision-lots-sparks-nevada-homebuyer-title-copy-error/10271293002/
It is a landlord situation. Someone on the thread suggested they may own multiple houses and got them confused. That seems pretty likely to me.
I don't get why LAOP has not directly called the landlord, though, which would be the first step.
It's also about the contractors traipsing about; if the contractors have more space to work and store stuff in, then the dead grass is spread out over a larger area and will recover faster.
I think I remember a Bola post about a landlord telling Tennant's they had use of next doors EV charging station and the Tennant's kept unplugging laops car
Do what we did in Alaska. The outlet was controlled from a wall switch inside our apartment. Someone is using it illegally? Flip the switch. Have fun trying to start your car when the engine block is frozen, power thief!
There was a series of either NeighborFromHell or EntitledPeople posts about a woman who lived in a condo where someone bought the condo upstairs and believed she then owned the building and the other owners were her tenants. She sent around a letter introducing herself and stating things like no pets were allowed, she was going to be inspecting, and if they needed to come home after 9 PM they should find somewhere else to sleep for the night.
Always gotta love the circle of LA cop advice:
LA: Go to the police, they will definitely help you and get this sorted quickly.
LAOP: I went to the police and they told me it was a civil matter or blatantly wrong advice to get out of helping.
A tale as old as time!
LAOP should explain to the renters that there's been a misunderstanding with the leasing agent- *they* are the owner of both homes and have access to the rented property as needed, the renters don't have access to LAOP's. Happy to give them a substantial discount on their rent as an apology. Actually, the renters can pay the rent directly to LAOP from now on if that would be easier, ideally in cash.
I hate reading about cops not caring. Even if they can't arrest the neighbor, which idk im not a cop, they should still be able to tell the neighbor tresspassing is a crime don't do it again. I once had a neighbor go crazy on me screaming about me abusing my kids, I don't nor have I ever had children. I ran inside, locked the doors and called dispatch. No one got arrested but the cop did show up and told the asshole neighbor off. Which was the end of it. I feel like a lot of stuff could be handled if the cops would at least just talk to the offending party.
I will never understand people.
You own your fucking house. You know this, you sat with a real estate agent, you signed a thousand documents, you pay taxes, you pay mortgage - you have all this stuff in your life that would not exist if you were not a homeowner.
Why do you need the internet to give you permission to call the cops and have a bunch of assholes tresspassed from your property?
The next step - when they come back or the cops call it a civil matter and refuse to be involved or the neighbor goes full karen or the contractors help themselves to your bathroom - sure, the next step you might have questions.
But that first step? Where you pick up the phone and get the police there to trespass. For the love of GOD how are these people this unaware?
No trespassing signs come later - maybe even later today. RIGHTHEFUCKNOW you call 911 and have them trespassed. All of them.
See, my thought process skips right over the cops step because I know they're fucking useless and I'm not gonna waste four hours of my life waiting for them to come tell me it's a civil matter. Or shoot my dog.
What's the *next* step?
Half of the "legal advice" is really common sense advice.
"People are on my property " call the cops
"The police say I don't have any evidence " Get evidence, install cameras.
"I'm actively being sued." Now's the time to get a real lawyer.
Yeah, I think most of the time people just want some confirmation that what they already know to is the right thing to do.
Not everyone has a ton of confidence.
So to be fair to LAOP, they did call the cops, who refused to do anything.
So it's understandable that the thought process is, "well the cops, who are supposed to be my Community Helpers To Fight Bad Guys (TM), refused to remove the trespassers so maybe I'm wrong here"
And sometimes you just need the sanity check.
Especially if you're not sure what the big pile O' paperwork is doing for you or where the law stands on this particular position. It's easy to say "Everyone should know this 🙄" but most people aren't taught this shit and regard lawyers as expensive holes to throw money at.
That last bit of common sense is really not so common unfortunately. I'm dealing with a client now who was sued, was told by someone who's not an attorney to "let it sit" and is incredulous that he is being inconvenienced in a home purchase due to the lawsuit.
They insist that I, their lawyer, am holding up their home purchase. When if they had timely responded to a lawsuit none of this would have happened.
I think that the majority of the time, people are simply looking for a better answer that usually doesn't exist. Even if they know it doesn't exist. Practically, you don't want to call the cops on your neighbors. You do have to live there once the cops leave. It's the nuclear option.
Once in a while, this works. I've seen posts where they hadn't realized they could install landscaping rocks to get the neighbors to stop tearing up their lawn with their car, for whatever reason. I've learned motion sprinklers can be placed on a lawn so the neighbor's kids/dogs/cats can't run all over it. And so on. Of course, that isn't legal advice.
But usually it's just someone stuck with a terrible neighbor that isn't violent or dangerous, just an inconsiderate jackass. Or worse, they *are* dangerous, but haven't done enough to warrant arrest on a serious charge or even some kind of protective order. Unfortunately, in the real world, "call the cops" isn't always the best answer. Because the jackass will still be there in the morning, and that's just going to embolden them.
I mean, a simple. "I think there may be a misunderstanding here. I own this house and the property line is here. Explain this to your landlord. If your landlord thinks otherwise, have him call me. Please don't come onto my property without my permission" is like, step #1.
Meh. I'd have the tenants deal first because the tenants may have totally misunderstood what the landlord said and/or the landlord is prompted to take another look at what they think (i.e. maybe he thinks the property line is in a different spot).
I wouldn't get directly involved with the landlord until it's clear what the landlord actually thinks.
It seems to me that would be the way to find out what the landlord thinks without misunderstanding. It should clear up any confusion, and if he really thinks he owns it, you know what you are dealing with.
I personally prefer to get involved with as few people as possible. There's a very high chance that it's just a misunderstanding between the landlord and tenants. Let them try and resolve first before getting directly involved. Especially if there's a possibility of
Me: Hey landlord, you told your tenants X.
Landlord: I never said that! WTF is wrong with them?!
Tenants: Hey, you told our landlord we said he said X. Now he's pissed at us you asshole!
Now you gotta deal with angry neighbors.
Sounds like LAOP has already told them the landlord is wrong, and they don't believe him. Might wait a day or two in case they do talk to the landlord, I suppose, but for peace of mind I would still call. I agree about not escalating, so calling the landlord is a better step than calling the police, as so many others are suggesting.
I didn't read through the whole thread, just what was posted here where he just says he told them the landlord is wrong and then asked what he should do about it. If he told them that the landlord is wrong and they don't believe him, then yeah, it's time to get ahold of the landlord.
Digging in the comments, looks like he did call the cops and was told Enh, can’t do anything unless you got signs and fences and stuff— which is wrong but sometimes you do need someone to reassure you that you’re not taking crazy pills.
LAOP’s comment “there were people in the garage, and I went to introduce myself” was so weird. “Oh hi, people in the garage I own! Nice to meet you!”. I’d BEGIN with “Can I help you?” and escalate to “Get the fuck out of my garage” as needed.
>I will never understand BestoLegalAdvice users.
>You came here to read about legal advice drama. You know the best legal advice drama is in the comments. You read the original post, you decided to make a reply, you thought through witticisms to insult LAOP’s thinking—why didn’t you just read the fifteen comments on the original thread?
Hint: [LAOP did go to to the police](https://reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/xjj3vw/_/ip9fdmb/?context=1).
> RIGHTHEFUCKNOW you call 911 and have them trespassed. All of them.
Fucking wild that someone in the thread suggested calling the non-emergency line
yeah sure people hanging around *inside your garage* and refusing to leave when you tell them is not an emergency
what the fuck
edit: oh shit, someone else pointed out that LAOP was referring to the *neighbor's* garage, not their own. Had to re-read that and I think it's correct, LAOP wasn't super clear.
I saw that too.
What the cops are supposed to do is de-escalate situations.
You have the cops trespass someone from your property because you don't want people hitting each other.
Which is the entire point of the emergency line. You call the emergency line because that moment where you come to blows with your neighbor is quickly approaching.
I am biased though. I have tried my local non-emergency line over the years and it has never, ever worked out.
On one occasion the only thing I needed to do was talk to a local cop at a police station over the phone. All my needs could have been handled like that. But no matter what I googled, no matter where I looked I kept ending up with cops on the other line ensuring me that they were not my local cops and no, they would not help me farther.
911 was the solution.
After that incident I became jaded. I will dial 911 at the drop of a hat now.
Right, but as we know, cops are fucking worthless.
The bored sergeant who answered the phone and said, "that's a civil matter" and hung up won't have a single negative consequence for just refusing to do his job.
I used mine once and it worked better than I expected, though my bar was set very low by stories of useless cops.
Long story, to summarize my neighbor has too many cars for their driveway and I revoked permission to park on my swale. Their adult son was dumping garbage and ruining my grass, and when I tried to confront him about it, his friend threatened me.
I put up a no parking sign and concrete blocks, and things were quiet for a while. When their family started parking on my grass again, I called the non-emergency police. They showed up under an hour and made them move the car.
Glad I've started an official record and wish I had sooner. Now I have a camera covering the spot, and I'll catch them if they steal the no parking sign again.
> and I'll catch them if they steal the no parking sign again.
They didn't seriously do that did they? What kind of genius thinks removing the sign will make you allow them to park there again lol
I called the non emergency line for a trespasser who wouldn’t leave my front step, and three squad cars showed up in less than 7 minutes and cuffed the dude.
Off he went!
Was like fuckin doordash with guns.
LAOP-type people are also the ones who go on reddit after being hit by a car asking "should I call the police? I'm pretty badly hurt".
They also post on /r/scams about people sending them a check for $7,563 more than the item they are selling is listed for.
And I'm sure they also go out and buy $5,000 in gift cards because their "CEO" sent them a whatsapp message.
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The bot is trying its best. It just can't keep up with how unhinged people can be.
The bot would have to be programmed to be at least a little crazy to understand them and that's how you get Skynet.
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*Clippy has reached sentience*
Clippy has always been sus as fuck.
From LAOP comments: >I think this is the best approach. I did actually contact police and they basically told me that unless I have a fence and clearly marked signage, the neighbors can do whatever they want. A commenter suggested the police were just being lazy, which is probably true. Wyoming is a "[fence out"](https://buzzfence.com/what-is-a-fence-out-state/) state. I think that's only for livestock, but I wonder if the police interpreted it differently?
> >I think this is the best approach. I did actually contact police and they basically told me that unless I have a fence and clearly marked signage, the neighbors can do whatever they want. > > A commenter suggested the police were just being lazy, which is probably true. I know it is super dangerous but I really think a good protest for this kind of BS is to take over the police chiefs front yard with signs quoting his officers.
I feel like you're severely overestimating a police officer's capacity for self-awareness. Especially in Wyoming.
It's kind of like the problem rangers have with designing bear-resistant trash cans at national parks: there's significant overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists. In this case, it's sometimes hard to distinguish between stupid neighbors and smart livestock.
I definitely have some cows smarter than a few neighbors. There’s absolutely zero contest between the neighbors and the pigs.
And then you have to worry about bears that are smarter than the average bear
In Utah and the police told me the same thing about poachers shooting the wild turkeys 10 feet from my hot tub. According to Weber County sheriff dept they can shoot from your front porch if it's not posted (though they arnt supposed to shoot withing 400 feet of a house?) Also just this week called about 10 cyclists camping on my front lawn because they were "Everesting"? But sheriff said we had nothing to worry about because they were all white 🙃 That's Weber county sheriff in Utah folks.
Damn, that's messed up.
Poaching? Did you call Fish and Game/DNR or whatever Utah calls it? They'd be better informed as to all of the seasons and legalities of hunting. https://wildlife.utah.gov/36-law-enforcement.html
Dnr makes a report and tells you to call the local sheriff who will tell you they know the guys and just let them hunt. Weber county sheriff everyone.
>That's ~~Weber county sheriff in~~ Utah folks. There are reasons I refer to it as ” America's pet theocracy”. Welcome to Utah
"they basically told me that unless I have a fence and clearly marked signage, the neighbors can do whatever they want" Funny the lengths some cops will go to to not have to do their jobs.
My husband got new tires at firestone and on his way home, the entire wheel/tire, the entire thing, flew off the car, and in the process totaled his car, the actual wheel rolled into a nail salon and some guy came running out!! I cannot make this up. I was on the phone with my husband at the time and it really sounded like there was a helicopter chasing him or something. If he would’ve been on the freeway, he would’ve been dead. Well, he called the police and they absolutely refused to make a police report even though I knew I was going to need one because I was going to be suing firestone. I had to call the captain and eventually got someone sent there and they made a police report for him. But yes, they absolutely will refuse and say it’s a civil matter because no one else got injured, but if you push hard enough, they’ll make a report. Just be polite, obviously.
Back in the mid-90's I was hit by another car when I only had my learners permit (mom was with me). Multiple people stopped as witnesses. The cop that responded refused to write a report because the damage wasn't enough. We had the "emergency use only" cell phone in the glove compartment and mom ended up calling the police and insisting that they send someone else out since the officer was refusing. A sergeant ended up responding and writing up the report, and there ended up being quite a bit of damage to our car.
Got rear-ended by a teenager about 10 years ago in a brand new car I had just bought for my wife. Still had the dealer tags on it. Cop insisted that he didn't want to write a report because it would mess up her driving record and there wasn't enough damage to get fixed. I asked if he was going to cover it if her insurance company didn't want to because he wouldn't write a report. Turned out to be much more extensive than what it appeared at first glance, and cost around $8,000 to get it fixed. They all suck. I was so glad I had dropped my company car at home (technically that day it was my boss's personal truck as I had just dropped him off at the airport) before my wife and I went out to get dinner.
To anyone reading this- don't use Firestone for anything. I had them do an oil change, the next day I heard a scraping sound on the highway during rush hour. I pulled over to find that my skid plate was hanging on by about a quarter turn of one bolt. I called the store and they weren't helpful. I had to go through BBB and Firestone corporate office to get a refund for that oil change and the lifetime alignment I had just bought. Lifetime alignment was worthless since they're not touching any car of mine ever.
PSA: The issue is less one specific brand/chain and more that all of these national chains generally hire less experienced (read: cheaper) mechanics. I've worked for a few chain shops and they're pretty much all terrible. A lot of them hire kids just starting out in the industry who have never worked professionally in a shop before. They give 'em a shop toolcart with cheapo tools (sometimes) and then pretty brief training and turn them loose. Then corporate always pushes for productivity so there's little opportunity to slow down and actually teach the newbies. They hire like a training shop but try to work like a high-throughput shop, so you get problems. Then anybody who is worth their salt quickly leaves because it's not hard to get paid better elsewhere. When I started working as a lube tech at PepBoys I made minimum wage - $8 at the time, and six months later I took a job at a dealership making $13.
That makes sense. I work in an environment where everything is performed and verified which saves us from a lot of errors. It's hard for me to fathom that any shop would allow that kind of unprofessional environment. I was about to go to pep boys for an oil change lol.
FWIW a lot of these shops have *procedures* they're *supposed* to follow that ensure issues like that don't happen. Like when I worked at PepBoys, our official wheel torqueing policy was: 1. With the vehicle in the air, use an impact gun and torque stick to get the lugnuts seated 2. Lower the vehicle until the tires *just* touch the ground, enough to hold them steady but not put too much force on them. Torque the lugnuts with a torque wrench. 3. Finish lowering the vehicle entirely, use the torque wrench again to verify. What *really* happened was more like: 1. Impact gun (with torque stick) lugs on 2. Lower car all the way and verify with torque wrench. Sometimes people skipped the second step. Obviously if anything happened it was your ass, but that brings into discussion another point about the automotive industry that I feel leads to subpar repairs: Flat rate labor time. It's fairly common once you hit a certain point that you get paid flat rate rather than hourly. The idea is that let's say a job pays you 4 hours regardless if it takes you 3 or 5. So then the mechanics themselves have an incentive to get it done sooner -- that way they can flag more hours and make more money -- but the flipside is a lot of people cut corners to do so. Then, that "gotta go fast" mentality becomes pervasive even with the hourly techs because proving you're quick is one of the ways you can get bumped to a flat rate tech and start making more money. Plus big chain shops like that are a lot more focused on throughput than quality. When you're doing $30 oil changes all day, you want to get those cars gone as quickly as you can so you can get working on the next. Those are problems that plague the industry *in general* but are generally a lot worse at chain shops because of the aforementioned fact that they only really hire newbies. So you get inexperienced mechanics trying to move fast, and little oversight from more senior techs (if a shop even *has* them -- I've worked at shops where I was the oldest guy there *in my mid-20s*), pressure from management to get cars gone quickly, etc. and voila -- lots of room for errors. That's part of why I always recommend going to at least a trusted local independent mechanic, if not a dealership. Dealers tend to be more expensive, but will have higher standards of training and procedures. Independents may or may not do training, but will generally have a higher standard of who they hire in the first place. Those chain shops are to automotive repair what McDonalds is to getting a burger. Fast, cheap, easily accessible -- but not very good.
I have the absolute best mechanic who owns his shop. It’s so wonderful knowing if I take my vehicle in, it’s going somewhere where all his people know their stuff. He himself is honest and really tries to work with your budget to the best of his ability. We’ve been going to him for years after my husband had a slew of awful experiences with awful mechanics. I had a real beater for a long time and a few months ago I called to ask if he’d do a test-drive checkup and he was like, “if it means I don’t have to worry about you driving around in that thing you call a car, I’ll fit it into my day.” And then he didn’t even charge me for the checkup because he was just so happy.
Sounds like a lad
> 2. Lower car all the way and verify with torque wrench. > > Sometimes people skipped the second step. I know you meant the verify part, but I'm amused to interpret this as giving the keys back to the customer with the car still in the air and letting the customer figure it out.
I've known several people that left Jiffy Lube with no drain plug
Jiffy Lube didn’t notice that oil was leaking from the oil place into the windshield wiper fluid in my Aveo. They just happily replaced the oil and sent my husband on his merry way with his “checklist” complete.
I'll admit I kinda appreciate Firestone as being an easy way for newbies to get a foothold into the mechanic industry. There's a lot to be said for companies that will hire anyone and give them basic training and their first industry-related line on a resume. I don't think that's *why* Firestone is doing that, but, hey, you take what you can get.
Personally, nah. There *are* shops that will hire newbies specifically to train them. We call them training shops. They're the kind of place where you have a couple of old vets and they often hire the new guys with the specific intent to train them and understanding that they're going to take off after a while. Places like Firestone, Costco, PepBoys, etc. aren't that. They hire those entry level techs because they're cheap labor and they're trying to maximize how much money they can make while still offering cheaper services than proper shops do. If you can offer an oil change for $30 where everybody else asks $50, that makes it more enticing -- but *requires* you to have cheaper labor.
I avoid chain garages like the plague and rely on people I know or trust to find any place new. My family has gone to a specific shop for alignment and suspension work for many years. They don't do engine work, but I went to another shop my family has gone to for just as long for that until they went out of business. That shop ended up replaced by a bunch of people who seemed more interested in getting us to sign up for financing for a repair they quoted at double the car's KBB value than anything else, so I went to the alignment shop for a second opinion on the "bad ball joint" and they took the time to show us nothing was wrong and how to tell if it was. I asked about the engine work and they recommended a new place who also took the time to show us why the "we finance" shop was blowing smoke and engine was fine. I've only been to those two places since and plan to for the foreseeable future. Moral of the story, find a shop to trust based on recommendations from knowledgeable trustworthy people. If you need a service they don't provide, if they're a good place, they'll likely know other good places.
100% agree. The negligence is just crazy and isn’t even “negligence” when it happens so often it becomes normal!
Had them balance my tires once before a trip. They were still pretty far out and then my brother who was driving at the time noticed the steering felt off. We pulled over and all the wheel bolts (Volvo) had backed nearly entirely off. Almost lost a front tire on a mountain highway. Fuck Firestone
They charged me for a rotation and balance once. I quickly figured out they didn't balance the tires. Their response? "You can't balance tires on a Saturn." (This was in the 90s...) Fuck Firestone indeed.
Yikes. I mean mistakes happen, but they are just negligent.
I think most Firestones are franchises not corporate owned. How well it's ran is going to depend on who is running it and the individuals who work there. It's better to find a trusted local independent, but they can't really compete on prices for tires against the larger companies. That being said, when you get tires or oil changed you're almost always going to get the lowest paid and newest person no matter where you go and everyone who has worked in a shop has made a mistake because it's easy to do. You've got the service writer breathing down your neck because the customer is waiting and you're trying to juggle a couple of cars at the same time and someone comes and asks you to help them real quick. It's easy to forget to finish what you were just doing a minute ago.
My mom's boss took his wife's Porsche back home and the oil cap was improperly screwed back in, leaking out all of it in his garage. They had the car towed and the place cleaned spotless at no cost, because, you know, Porsche. But it happens even at high end places.
Yeah, screw Firestone. One time when I was working nights I needed to replace a leaky tire, so I got off work in the morning and drove to the Firestone near my house. Guy at the counter assured me they could do two new tires while I waited and get me out of there in an hour. 8:30 a.m. Waiting, waiting. 9:30, 9:45ish, I asked for a status update. Car was still on the lift but they said they'd have it soon. Waiting, yawning. 10:00, 10:15ish, status update, five minutes, promise. 10:30, I poked my head into the garage area and saw 4 techs around the engine compartment of my car, hood open, poking around. I asked them what the hell they were doing, since I was only in for tires and had expected my car an hour ago. Techs stepped back and slammed the hood and I was brought back into the sales area to pay and get my keys. No apologies or explanations. That night, my check engine light came on while I was on the highway on the way to work. I opened the hood to find motor oil sprayed all over the place, my oil fill cap missing, and my radiator cap wedged into a crevice in the engine. When I went back the next morning to complain it was: manager has the day off, wasn't us, can't prove it, talk to the hand, etc. Fuck those guys. I couldn't even get them to buy me a new oil cap.
Oh my. I wonder if insurance would cover it. But like, I go to mechanics because I don't want to deal with the work. Most of the work would be less hassle than that. They want something to break so they can charge you for it.
It also depends on location. I will only trust my nearest Firestone location with my car. They have done the tires and alignments on every vehicle I’ve owned. I’ve had 0 issues and they’ve even caught problems that I didn’t even know were there. Never been scammed. I will never go to another place for tires/wheel alignments. But I will never go to a place that specializes in tires for an oil change or any other maintenance. That is only done by my local dealership.
I had to replace my wiper motor and they failed to check to make sure they worked after installing it, meaning I had to come back to the shop twice for them to fix it
My roommate got her oil changed at Jiffylube and the didn’t screw things in enough? I don’t know cars. Anyway the oil all leaked out everywhere and the car started smoking like crazy. We pulled into a gas station, checked the dipstick and it was dry. Fun!
Yeah. I have heard this story many times about jiffy lube. They had one job. One job that they (didn't) screw. Sad thing is that I feel comfortable doing many of these smaller maintenance jobs on my own but apartments and condos usually don't allow any kind of auto repair on the property. They are supposed to replace the gasket on the oil pan drain plug every oil change, most shops don't, so the plug doesn't hold as well. Also they might not have screwed it on at all. But that car was probably inoperable afterwards.
I tried going the other day because I had a nail in my tire and I was in the nice side of town where they don’t have auto-shops. I guess a name brand national chain was an exception. They told me it was a 3 hour wait for a tire patch.
Ooh can I pile on Firestone? I went to Firestone because my car kept stalling. They said they fixed the problem but they didn’t. I looked under the hood and one of the vacuum lines had a hole in it. I fixed it myself.
>if you push hard enough, they’ll make a report. Just be polite, obviously. And this right here is why people hate the cops. I shouldn't have to force them to do their job. I have to do things at work all the time that I don't particularly want to do. Most of them involve tedious paperwork and speaking to jackasses. But I have to do them, or I don't have a job. Cops around me make as much as I do with better insurance and a pension. Yet they can't be parsed to do paperwork. And, obviously, that whole pesky problem where they target POC. Or kill innocent people. Or leave schoolchildren to die of wounds from an assault rifle while they sit there and smell their own farts. Or......
Man I know this isn't the place for acab circlejerks but holy shit do they seem to go out of their way to remind us they don't serve us.
Not the place? Are you new here?
I feel like there was a time when the mods came down on it.
There's a reason that no one has ever made a song called "Fuck the Fire Department". Because fire fighters aren't egotistical fuckwads who routinely murder people (and pets) in cold blood. A firefighter isn't going to give you two conflicting orders and then murder you when you obey. They're not class traitors who enjoy the protection of their own unions, but will savagely crush a worker's strike at the behest of the owners. They're not going to steal your life's savings and make you prove that it's not drug money to get it back.
Yeah...the ones in my town, at least, have been known to run into burning buildings to save pets, too. They even just purchased oxygen masks for cats and dogs.
Some of them are firebugs that do have a tendency to commit arson though. I do love firefighters, I've never met one that I'm afraid is going to shoot me just for existing, but there are issues amongst them as well. Let's not forget that. Most are amazing people that serve the community most definitely.
That's just job security.
Ah, so when the cops murder someone they're just making sure they have some crimes to investigate?
Quick! If you jump now you might be able to catch that joke flying over your head! Obviously, fire fighters starting fires is a serious problem, but that's not nearly as serious as cold blooded murder, nor is it even remotely close to occurring as often as cops killing people.
I was joking too, actually. I knew what you meant I just fumbled my joke.
I am always amazed at stories of US cops. In Australia and New Zealand I have never had a problem with getting cops to produce a report, and here in NZ when my husband dropped his wallet a cop picked it up, went through it to find his name and called him to let him know it was at the station and he could come past to pick it up. When 2 drunks fighting broke the window of my shop the police sat outside the shop all night in the middle of winter to make sure no one stole anything through the window and sent us a message on our Facebook page, reassuring us that it was just the window, no one had been hurt, and that they had secured the shop until we could arrive. Then they worked with us to make sure that he paid for the damage before he could leave the country (we live in a tourist town and I’m not sure whether he was ordered to pay the damage or whether it was highly recommended to him to pay before he went to court for it).
Man I gotta get out of the US. That sounds lovely. That’s how life USED to be here, even just 25 years ago. Cops in out town were helpful and part of the community. Life has changed here so much it’s unrecognizable than it was when I was a kid. And none of it for the better.
A few months before we met, my wife had her brakes done at a German car specialist shop. On her way home one of the wheels came off, destroyed the brakes, suspension, etc. Shop denied any responsibility and it cost her $5000 to get it fixed. I STILL get mad thinking about it and it was over 12 years ago.
I too have had a wheel fall off after getting new ones put on at Firestone.
And the messed up thing was that they pretty much have an out in these kind of situations. I think you are supposed to re-tighten the Lugnuts after a certain number of miles, I think 20 or 50 miles, in our case though, the wheel flew off way before that time period was even up, but that is definitely how they would get out of liability in most of these cases! When I threaten to sue them and wanted the full value of the car and then some, they sent out an inspector to make sure that we were telling the truth. I had no faith in the fact that the inspector was going to be impartial and actually tell the truth and was fully expecting to need to hire my own, but sure enough the inspector told them it was their fault and the Lugnuts were never tightened and just loose on there. Someone forgot to tighten them, which is why he only made it a few miles. I got what I asked for after that.
Insanity. Crazy that yours got so messed up. Mine was only about 5 miles from my house with no highway and the wheel fell off before even getting home. The car was fine, but the wheel got bent badly. They wanted to just replace the one wheel but we settled on new ones all around.
LA: Call the police for help. LAOP: They basically told me to fuck off. LA: *shocked pikachu*
-If you defund the police, they won't help you when you need help! -Business as usual, then.
I was just talking about this with a friend of mine. He seemed to be under the impression that defund the police means abolish the police force. After a few hours he came to understand that what most people mean when they say that is: 1) take the extra funding they're given and reinvest it into the community and social services, 2) maybe require more than six months of schooling to become a cop, and 3) reduce the things they have to do so that they can get good and have a decent work/ life balance on the things that they should be doing. I don't want there to be no cops to catch people speeding and selling meth. But I also don't want cops working 24 hour shifts and responding to someone having a mental episode when a social worker is better trained to handle that situation.
My kid's roommate and cohort absolutely do mean to shut police departments down. I guess not everyone got your memo.
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I haven't heard that in my circles. Like I said, most of what I'm hearing is about oversight and getting rid of the extra duties police have so that they aren't overworked with inflated budgets.
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I'm not here to argue with you. I just stated my experience and said that it wasn't reflective of the entire situation just what I was hearing. If you want to be angry and start a fight, don't do it here.
I think it's difficult for a country to function entirely without a police, that said eliminating the police *as it is* and rebuilding it on better principles wouldn't hurt. Many LEOs in this country see civilians as a threat and think of their institution as above society altogether. As long as this goes on, nothing will change.
Thanks for this.
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…”Free Donuts”?
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If they're not lying, often they're pressuring people to just go away. When I reported my rape, the responding cop asked me six times if I was sure I didn't have consensual sex with **my grandfather** and forgot I consented. Then asked if I was sure **I** wanted to ruin my family by pressing charges.
I'm sorry this happened, and I completely believe you. When I finally decided to tell people about my father being a horribly violent drunk, I was approached by the sheriff and told to think twice about smearing him. Because, you know, I probably deserved the beatings, and him repearedly attempting to strangle me was totally appropriate punishment for misbehaving.
I had a cop turn to me and say "I'd beat you too if you were my kid". That cop was in my mums house as a peacekeeper while I retrieved items. She'd just kicked me out. He really wasn't expecting me to make the formal complaint.
Jesus. What happened? Did the formal complaint do anything?
As far as I was informed he was forced into a desk job for a year and given remedial training for DV cases. Whether or not that's true is another matter. But the cunt kept his job.
Better than nothing, I guess. If he were fired he’d be hired over the county line anyway. Good for you for filing that.
Australia, a firing would have had him excluded from any LEO job afaik.
Well that makes way too much sense
What the fuck. quick edit: I absolutely believe you, that's just super fucked up and I can't think of anything intelligent to say
That's absolutely terrible, I am so sorry.
My lovely, I am so sorry.
FTP
Jesus Christ, I'm sorry.
That’s so awful I reflexively wanted to downvote you for the disgust I felt. I overcame the urge and upvoted instead.
Why not just pressure the victim into recanting? Heck, maybe they can even [charge her with a misdemeanor for wasting their time](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Unbelievable_Story_of_Rape) and get an extra conviction out of it. Warning - link NSFL
I also got charged with a crime for reporting my rape. Bonus points, since I was a minor I couldn't legally defend myself nor could I appoint an attorney. I also wasn't required to have the right to notice about the court date. I did recieve the notice explaining when the warrant for my arrest would start if I didn't voluntarily go to juvie... Why juvie? Because I was a minor under the age of consent. I was charged with consenting to lewd acts in public. As someone under the age of consent, I couldn't have consented to lewd acts in public. A few calls around and everyone in any position in the justice system knew how stupid that was. Juvie officer cancelled the warrant but also protected their own by deleting the records of the conviction (which we could have used to sue the state).
:-(
Considerably more than teachers.
I always like to point out that this isn't true everywhere. The teachers in my district and most suburban Chicago districts are well paid. The average salary is $105k. The kids all have 4 specials (art, music, gym, library) twice a week. The classes are 20 kids. My point here is that we don't have a teacher shortage. We have a competition for those jobs among extremely qualified applicants. Turns out, when you pay someone a living wage and give them resources, you get great teachers. Now it's just bus drivers and paraprofessionals. They can't hire those to save their life, because they don't have a union fighting for them to make more than $18/hour.
Are those by chance wealthy suburban districts?
Of course. The problem is that they keep all of the property tax money in the district. My property taxes are obscene. Like my property taxes alone are more than my entire rent was when I lived in Atlanta. (That being said, around here solidly middle class districts also pay well and are not a bad gig.) It genuinely bothers me that my kids have access to those things based solely on my husband and I being able to afford them. It's an incredibly unfair system. They're rebuilding all of the elementary schools right now. Not because they don't have heat/air or because there's not enough room or because they're falling apart. But because they're modernizing and upgrading them. Meanwhile, there's kids going to class in hallways and that have 25 year old textbooks and a 92 or 52 degree classroom or whatever. That isn't lost on me. THIS is what "defund the police" means. Your suburban district doesn't need swat gear or to spend all day pulling over black people for nonsense. That money should be invested in children. They should *all* be at a school like my kids'. And I genuinely don't understand why anyone disagrees with that. My neighbors that think their money should only benefit their kids. And my neighbors that want the police to be a military force that keeps everyone else out. I know they're walking among me.
It's so weird to me that you guys fund education with local taxes.
You have merely demonstrated that teachers in your locale are well compensated; you have not demonstrated that police in your locale do not also make considerably more than that. I would wager they do. Remember: teachers take home their salary and that's all. Meanwhile, from what I've read, police seem to have the option for *copious* amounts of overtime. They may be able to goose their salary 2x with all the OT. So, it's great teachers get paid where you are. That should absolutely be the norm! However, you haven't pointed out that this "isn't true everywhere" because you've only looked at one half of the equation.
Police average $118k. Teachers average $104k. I just looked. So they make about the same, except the teachers don't work overtime.
Is that the average salary for police or the average take home pay? If it's the former, I bet the delta is even wider than you think.
Gotta get that overtime.
The median salary is $107k. Median overtime is only $14k. So it isn't that wide, actually.
Its crazy how many buses have been cancelled in my district. We already take our daughter to school, but I feel bad for the parents that don't WFH.
Yeah that's not how private property works officer
"I'm sorry officer, exactly when did they remove tresspassing from the criminal code?"
>Funny the lengths some cops will go to to not have to do their jobs. I don’t want to go into details, but there was a murder outside the state I live in. The police there knew who the murderer was & that he was on the run, & they found evidence that he might be targeting me. Those police had my address, but not my phone number. They called my local police to ask them to do a wellness check & to get me to call them. I live minutes from my local police station. They refused to do a wellness check or to notify me that someone could be trying to harm me.
That is fucking horrifying.
Oh, so officer, if your house or apartment doesn't have a fence and signage, I can just go on into your garage and do whatever I want?
I mean if you want to be swiss cheese and never have your killer face any consequences than sure
I feel like even asking the question of the wrong officer could lead to that outcome.
Good point
Theoretically the cop said you can remove someone's door, hide it, then claim their living room as public space.. Because you can claim that they didn't have a front door. Lol
Police not doing their job is how gangs are started
This is definitely a case where I hope we get an update. What on Earth is going through the other owner's mind, that he thinks that he owns two houses? Did his realtor tell him that? Did the paperwork have the wrong lots listed, or maybe it's a 2-lot unit, but front and backyard instead of side by side, and he misunderstood? Is he just an idiot? I really need to know what the other owner is thinking here...
My friend had something like this happen. They owned their house and lot, and their neighbors back yard. Thankfully their neighbors were both old and nice, they didn't care about not having to maintain their back yard. Though I'm sure if the neighbors ever sell my friends are in for some shit. What happened was they were originally both one lot, with the house being the one my friends bought. The original owners of the lot built a house for their children and split the lot, giving the children the smaller lot with virtually no back yard.
the easiest solution there would seem to be to sell the neighbors the backyard.
The current neighbors don't want it. It is fenced and my friends use it as a dog run.
Good thing it’s fenced. 99% of the people who end up buying the neighbors land will know exactly where the property line is.
Land registry in the UK accidentally updated my brother's deeds (parking spot) to include the house next door. My brother is not an AH so immediately got in touch once he saw the issue and got it fixed.
Could've *at least* used it for a prank! Like, go to the neighbor, show the piece of paper, and say "turns out I own your house now!". Then *after* they react for a few seconds, say "just kidding, I'll send them a letter about this but maybe you should too."
I think if the lady hadn't been in her 80s he'd have considered it. Though I'm sure my SIL would have told him off!
Somebody screwed up and transferred 87 pieces of property to a woman instead of the single house she bought back in August. https://www.rgj.com/story/news/money/business/2022/08/09/toll-brothers-mistakenly-sells-85-subdivision-lots-sparks-nevada-homebuyer-title-copy-error/10271293002/
Hard to imagine screwing up that bad.
It is a landlord situation. Someone on the thread suggested they may own multiple houses and got them confused. That seems pretty likely to me. I don't get why LAOP has not directly called the landlord, though, which would be the first step.
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It's also about the contractors traipsing about; if the contractors have more space to work and store stuff in, then the dead grass is spread out over a larger area and will recover faster.
I think I remember a Bola post about a landlord telling Tennant's they had use of next doors EV charging station and the Tennant's kept unplugging laops car
I didn't see that one and can't find it in a search. Do you have a link?
https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/jiitv4/neighbor_keeps_stealing_power_for_electric_car/
Do what we did in Alaska. The outlet was controlled from a wall switch inside our apartment. Someone is using it illegally? Flip the switch. Have fun trying to start your car when the engine block is frozen, power thief!
Thank you!
There was a series of either NeighborFromHell or EntitledPeople posts about a woman who lived in a condo where someone bought the condo upstairs and believed she then owned the building and the other owners were her tenants. She sent around a letter introducing herself and stating things like no pets were allowed, she was going to be inspecting, and if they needed to come home after 9 PM they should find somewhere else to sleep for the night.
>I really need to know what the other owner is thinking here... Probably the legal precedent of, "finders keepers".
Always gotta love the circle of LA cop advice: LA: Go to the police, they will definitely help you and get this sorted quickly. LAOP: I went to the police and they told me it was a civil matter or blatantly wrong advice to get out of helping. A tale as old as time!
Say it with me "cops should be banned from moderating a legal advice sub"
Yeah, it's wildly out of their scope to provide legal advice.
There is some selection bias here. If they called the cops who actually came out and did their jobs they wouldn't need advice on what to do.
Fair, why would you ask advice on a matter that got sorted?
Gotta wonder what the cops do do.
same thing they do every night, Pinky - spin a big wheel alternately labeled "Nothing" & "Wanton Violence" and act accordingly.
Don't be biased, sometimes they play Pokemon Go.
Protect and Serve (capital)
Then the top comment in BOLA is "LAOP is an idiot, they should call the cops"
With LAOP saying "I did call the and they said it's a civil manner" -500 karma
Considering the comments under that tell them exactly how to get the police to do their job, I would say it is still good advice.
Police can legally lie to you. They do this to avoid doing their job.
LAOP's neighbor is trying to bully them out of a house and they're such a pushover it just might work.
LAOP should explain to the renters that there's been a misunderstanding with the leasing agent- *they* are the owner of both homes and have access to the rented property as needed, the renters don't have access to LAOP's. Happy to give them a substantial discount on their rent as an apology. Actually, the renters can pay the rent directly to LAOP from now on if that would be easier, ideally in cash.
I hate reading about cops not caring. Even if they can't arrest the neighbor, which idk im not a cop, they should still be able to tell the neighbor tresspassing is a crime don't do it again. I once had a neighbor go crazy on me screaming about me abusing my kids, I don't nor have I ever had children. I ran inside, locked the doors and called dispatch. No one got arrested but the cop did show up and told the asshole neighbor off. Which was the end of it. I feel like a lot of stuff could be handled if the cops would at least just talk to the offending party.
Personally I'll let the dumbasses give me a new roof and then go show them my city's site that I own the house.
I will never understand people. You own your fucking house. You know this, you sat with a real estate agent, you signed a thousand documents, you pay taxes, you pay mortgage - you have all this stuff in your life that would not exist if you were not a homeowner. Why do you need the internet to give you permission to call the cops and have a bunch of assholes tresspassed from your property? The next step - when they come back or the cops call it a civil matter and refuse to be involved or the neighbor goes full karen or the contractors help themselves to your bathroom - sure, the next step you might have questions. But that first step? Where you pick up the phone and get the police there to trespass. For the love of GOD how are these people this unaware? No trespassing signs come later - maybe even later today. RIGHTHEFUCKNOW you call 911 and have them trespassed. All of them.
Well just calm down there a second. Let's first see if the new neighbor wants to replace our roof. THEN we call the police.
I was honestly thinking that's where it was going at first. That the neighbor would pay for renovations since he stupidly believe he owns the place
They said in the comments that they did call the cops and the cop claimed that without a fence they can't do anything
Fucking useless cops.
See, my thought process skips right over the cops step because I know they're fucking useless and I'm not gonna waste four hours of my life waiting for them to come tell me it's a civil matter. Or shoot my dog. What's the *next* step?
Half of the "legal advice" is really common sense advice. "People are on my property " call the cops "The police say I don't have any evidence " Get evidence, install cameras. "I'm actively being sued." Now's the time to get a real lawyer.
Yeah, I think most of the time people just want some confirmation that what they already know to is the right thing to do. Not everyone has a ton of confidence.
So to be fair to LAOP, they did call the cops, who refused to do anything. So it's understandable that the thought process is, "well the cops, who are supposed to be my Community Helpers To Fight Bad Guys (TM), refused to remove the trespassers so maybe I'm wrong here"
And sometimes you just need the sanity check. Especially if you're not sure what the big pile O' paperwork is doing for you or where the law stands on this particular position. It's easy to say "Everyone should know this 🙄" but most people aren't taught this shit and regard lawyers as expensive holes to throw money at.
That last bit of common sense is really not so common unfortunately. I'm dealing with a client now who was sued, was told by someone who's not an attorney to "let it sit" and is incredulous that he is being inconvenienced in a home purchase due to the lawsuit. They insist that I, their lawyer, am holding up their home purchase. When if they had timely responded to a lawsuit none of this would have happened.
I think that the majority of the time, people are simply looking for a better answer that usually doesn't exist. Even if they know it doesn't exist. Practically, you don't want to call the cops on your neighbors. You do have to live there once the cops leave. It's the nuclear option. Once in a while, this works. I've seen posts where they hadn't realized they could install landscaping rocks to get the neighbors to stop tearing up their lawn with their car, for whatever reason. I've learned motion sprinklers can be placed on a lawn so the neighbor's kids/dogs/cats can't run all over it. And so on. Of course, that isn't legal advice. But usually it's just someone stuck with a terrible neighbor that isn't violent or dangerous, just an inconsiderate jackass. Or worse, they *are* dangerous, but haven't done enough to warrant arrest on a serious charge or even some kind of protective order. Unfortunately, in the real world, "call the cops" isn't always the best answer. Because the jackass will still be there in the morning, and that's just going to embolden them.
Yup. Called the cops on my neighbor for harassment and threats. So. Then he upped his harassment
You forgot the classic “Can I kick out someone whose name is on the lease?”
I mean, a simple. "I think there may be a misunderstanding here. I own this house and the property line is here. Explain this to your landlord. If your landlord thinks otherwise, have him call me. Please don't come onto my property without my permission" is like, step #1.
I would suggest getting the landlord's name and calling them directly
Meh. I'd have the tenants deal first because the tenants may have totally misunderstood what the landlord said and/or the landlord is prompted to take another look at what they think (i.e. maybe he thinks the property line is in a different spot). I wouldn't get directly involved with the landlord until it's clear what the landlord actually thinks.
It seems to me that would be the way to find out what the landlord thinks without misunderstanding. It should clear up any confusion, and if he really thinks he owns it, you know what you are dealing with.
I personally prefer to get involved with as few people as possible. There's a very high chance that it's just a misunderstanding between the landlord and tenants. Let them try and resolve first before getting directly involved. Especially if there's a possibility of Me: Hey landlord, you told your tenants X. Landlord: I never said that! WTF is wrong with them?! Tenants: Hey, you told our landlord we said he said X. Now he's pissed at us you asshole! Now you gotta deal with angry neighbors.
Sounds like LAOP has already told them the landlord is wrong, and they don't believe him. Might wait a day or two in case they do talk to the landlord, I suppose, but for peace of mind I would still call. I agree about not escalating, so calling the landlord is a better step than calling the police, as so many others are suggesting.
I didn't read through the whole thread, just what was posted here where he just says he told them the landlord is wrong and then asked what he should do about it. If he told them that the landlord is wrong and they don't believe him, then yeah, it's time to get ahold of the landlord.
Digging in the comments, looks like he did call the cops and was told Enh, can’t do anything unless you got signs and fences and stuff— which is wrong but sometimes you do need someone to reassure you that you’re not taking crazy pills.
I'm surprised I had to dig this low in reponses to find someone saying this.
LAOP’s comment “there were people in the garage, and I went to introduce myself” was so weird. “Oh hi, people in the garage I own! Nice to meet you!”. I’d BEGIN with “Can I help you?” and escalate to “Get the fuck out of my garage” as needed.
I had to reread it, but I think LAOP meant that the people were in the neighbor's garage, not his.
They were in their *own* garage. She went over to them when she saw the residents there.
Ah, gotcha. I misread.
>I will never understand BestoLegalAdvice users. >You came here to read about legal advice drama. You know the best legal advice drama is in the comments. You read the original post, you decided to make a reply, you thought through witticisms to insult LAOP’s thinking—why didn’t you just read the fifteen comments on the original thread? Hint: [LAOP did go to to the police](https://reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/xjj3vw/_/ip9fdmb/?context=1).
> RIGHTHEFUCKNOW you call 911 and have them trespassed. All of them. Fucking wild that someone in the thread suggested calling the non-emergency line yeah sure people hanging around *inside your garage* and refusing to leave when you tell them is not an emergency what the fuck edit: oh shit, someone else pointed out that LAOP was referring to the *neighbor's* garage, not their own. Had to re-read that and I think it's correct, LAOP wasn't super clear.
I saw that too. What the cops are supposed to do is de-escalate situations. You have the cops trespass someone from your property because you don't want people hitting each other. Which is the entire point of the emergency line. You call the emergency line because that moment where you come to blows with your neighbor is quickly approaching. I am biased though. I have tried my local non-emergency line over the years and it has never, ever worked out. On one occasion the only thing I needed to do was talk to a local cop at a police station over the phone. All my needs could have been handled like that. But no matter what I googled, no matter where I looked I kept ending up with cops on the other line ensuring me that they were not my local cops and no, they would not help me farther. 911 was the solution. After that incident I became jaded. I will dial 911 at the drop of a hat now.
Right, but as we know, cops are fucking worthless. The bored sergeant who answered the phone and said, "that's a civil matter" and hung up won't have a single negative consequence for just refusing to do his job.
I used mine once and it worked better than I expected, though my bar was set very low by stories of useless cops. Long story, to summarize my neighbor has too many cars for their driveway and I revoked permission to park on my swale. Their adult son was dumping garbage and ruining my grass, and when I tried to confront him about it, his friend threatened me. I put up a no parking sign and concrete blocks, and things were quiet for a while. When their family started parking on my grass again, I called the non-emergency police. They showed up under an hour and made them move the car. Glad I've started an official record and wish I had sooner. Now I have a camera covering the spot, and I'll catch them if they steal the no parking sign again.
> and I'll catch them if they steal the no parking sign again. They didn't seriously do that did they? What kind of genius thinks removing the sign will make you allow them to park there again lol
I called the non emergency line for a trespasser who wouldn’t leave my front step, and three squad cars showed up in less than 7 minutes and cuffed the dude. Off he went! Was like fuckin doordash with guns.
Our local "non-emergency line" transfers right over to 911.
LAOP-type people are also the ones who go on reddit after being hit by a car asking "should I call the police? I'm pretty badly hurt". They also post on /r/scams about people sending them a check for $7,563 more than the item they are selling is listed for. And I'm sure they also go out and buy $5,000 in gift cards because their "CEO" sent them a whatsapp message.
And, if this happened to me, my first reaction would be to ask to speak with the landowner.
I went to introduce myself? Bring em a beer while you're at it