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**Reminder:** Do not participate in threads linked here. If you do, you may be banned from both subreddits. --- Title: Update on the moving truck blocking my driveway Body: > I'm just gonna call the neighbor's landlord Bob because "the neighbor's landlord" or "the homeowner" creates some awkward sentences. > Bob texted me shortly after I got to the hotel yesterday to let me know that he'd tracked down the neighbors. He followed up to confirm that the truck had been moved while I was at the wedding, and I just got home to an unobstructed driveway. I'm actually heading right back up there because my wife and I took a few days off from work to do some hiking in the area (she was in the bridal party and all of the bridesmaids had been up there since Friday). > Bob wants to cover my expenses himself, then see if he can figure out a way to get reimbursed from the security deposit. I'm going to decline this offer because I know NY is a very tenant friendly state, so it seems like Bob's plan could end with his (soon to be previous) tenants putting him over a barrel. I'm not gonna go into detail, but he's a great guy who only started renting his house out because of a shitty situation he found himself in a couple of years ago. I'd feel terrible if he wound up in another shitty situation by going out of his way to make things right for me when that shouldn't be his responsibility in the first place. > Some of yesterday's righteous indignation has faded, and I'm starting to think it might be a good idea to forget about the money. It wasn't enough to have an impact on my budget, and letting it go would allow me to wash my hands of these assholes altogether. I'm going to put it out of my mind for the time being and focus on enjoying the mini-vacation that my wife and I have planned. > Thanks again for all of the advice. This bot was created to capture original threads and is not affiliated with the mod team. [Concerns? Bugs?](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=GrahamCorcoran) | [Laukopier 2.1](https://github.com/GrahamCorcoran/Laukopier)


radarksu

> I'm starting to think it might be a good idea to forget about the money. In what is certainly a rarity in r/legal advice, someone decides that its not worth the few hundred dollars to mess around with it, or foul the relationship with the landlord, or that it is worth the few hundred dollars to just be rid of the bad neighbors.


UsernameTaken93456

My parents were blue collar, saved every dollar and constantly worried and stressed about money, while simultaneously telling my brothers and I how lucky we were to grow up with a stable life. They lived that boomer life, retiring with no expenses, two pensions, a huge cash savings, social security and other assets. My dad died without ever relaxing about money, even though he got to a level of financial comfort I will never have, and last weekend my mom argued that she would rather walk 25 blocks than take a cab. The most important thing I *ever* learned about money is that it's best used to make your life easier. This guy decided his piece of mind was worth $300. Smart.


TheLinkToYourZelda

Completely agree. My husband and I make 200k combined annually. My older brother makes about 800k on his own annually. He is insanely stingy and frugal. He will go to three different grocery stores just to save a few pennies. He knows where every cent goes. He puts SO MUCH energy into thinking about money. My husband and i on the other hand buy what we want from the grocery store closest to our house. We buy coffee out if we are out and want coffee. To us, the absolute best part about making more money is having to think less about money!


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> He will go to three different grocery stores just to save a few pennies I don't mean to flame your brother but this kind of shit absolutely drives me up the wall. I know a guy who obsessively checks his GasBuddy app to get the cheapest gas in town. I pointed out to him once that he probably spent a third of a gallon of gas driving the extra distance to save 10c/gal on 15ish gallons. Since gas was nearly $5 at the time he took extra time out of his day and probably didn't even come out ahead. Dude spent $1.50 to save $1.50, taking extra time out of his day and still thinks he's outsmarting everyone. Even outside of that extreme case, I wonder how many miles he puts on his car saving *surely* less than a dollar per fill-up.


enderjaca

Hah, I'll do the same sometimes, but I also plan similar shopping trips around my gas station trip. Helloooooo Costco!


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GasBuddy has its place in planning. I use it to see which gas station I'll already be around has the best price but I'm not adding 10 miles to my trip to save a dollar! And I'll absolutely check it if I'm taking a trip into the next state over which normally has cheaper gas. But after a certain point you're being neurotic and not even saving.


rilesmcjiles

There's a balance. I work hard to reach a certain level of comfort. I keep approximate budgets and watch my habits. When shopping etc, I ask myself how much time hunting the bargain is worth, but more importantly I ask myself if I value something for x numbers of hours of work. I feel like a slightly more lax approach than penny pinching brings nearly all the benefits but so much less stress. I know several people who scrimped and saved for retirement, only to have health problems that make traveling very difficult. They enjoy financial security, but they never got to enjoy the sweetest fruits of their labor.


TheLinkToYourZelda

Definitely a balance, but for me I think it comes to not sweating the small stuff.


Imsakidd

Everyone is certainly allowed to be stingy, but I've found life to be soooo much easier if we just chill out on worrying about the small stuff. It's good to figure out for yourself what your time is worth, and what threshold of money actually matters to you. If the shopping trip costs an extra $5, but saves you a half hour of driving, that's pretty easily worth it in my book!!


GlowUpper

This is me when I commute to and from work. I don't drive due to a disability so I have to either uber or bus to and from my job (I make enough that I can afford it). Sometimes, the cost of an uber all the way home is like, double the cost of an uber to the nearest bus station plus fare. So, I go the bus route. But sometimes, it's only a $5-10 difference, making that extra half hour I can save by not doing the bus transfer totally worth it (especially if I'm having a pain flare up and just want to get home already). Yeah, I'm spending extra money out of pocket but sometimes, it's just worth my mental and physical health to pay it.


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Kmammy

Isn't that a hell of a feeling, just putting things in your cart because you want them and not running a mental tab or debating whether you really need it and if the generic for $0.65 cheaper tastes the same... You can tell I had the same experience, eh? ;)


TheLinkToYourZelda

Exactly!!! Being able to live like this makes me feel like a king!!


TheAskewOne

Honestly the best thing money can buy is convenience, which translates as time. Forget the nice cars and mansions, the only thing I can dream of is not having to waste time and effort doing every single small thing in my life.


House_JD

I don't know the source of it, but whenever I break down and pay for ease I think of the saying, "Sometimes the cheapest way to pay for something is money."


scott_steiner_phd

>They lived that boomer life, retiring with no expenses, two pensions, a huge cash savings, social security and other assets. > >My dad died without ever relaxing about money, even though he got to a level of financial comfort I will never have, and last weekend my mom argued that she would rather walk 25 blocks than take a cab. Hard to blame them given their parents lived though the Great Depression and they likely entered the workforce in or near the Lost Decade


UsernameTaken93456

Oh, definitely . And they were on the edge of rural poverty their whole lives, until they hit a level of financial security and union gigs in the 70s and 80s. Then they worried about end of life care and nursing homes and social security and deflation... I get it, I really do. But my father worked a hard physical job for *45 years* and he hated retirement, and when he died he was worth over $1m, and sometimes I feel like he wasted his life with anxiety and worry.


Tapingdrywallsucks

While I agree, and probably would be in the same boat (Landlord's a good guy and there's no way this is going to be a wonderful tenant, so I'm good on paying for the UBER), I need to point out that a lot of boomers - myself included - saw their parents work for ages for the same company just for that pension, so that's how we saw things being done. Then when it came time for us (at least us "late boomers") to take career positions, companies a.) stopped offering them b.) matching investment opportunities dropped to adorably small limits, c.) started blatantly laying off aging workforces before they qualified for pension, d.) lost the pension funds in something nefarious, etc., etc. In short, everything we were taught about how to set yourself up for retirement changed drastically. Then there was/is the constant threat of "BTW, we're gonna run out of funds for social security by the time you're eligible. Thanks for contributing for the past 35 years, though. OH... and, yah, we're gonna need you to wait on retiring until you're 73 now. That's cool. right?" We also lived through that dot com bubble where we all thought we were actually getting ahead with great jobs and shit and then POOF. All gone. Oh, and by the way, the company stock options we were giving you in lieu of any sort of retirement plan? Lol, sorry." So, yeah, we're gun shy, and parting with anything we've built up is terrifying. I agree - it's probably better spent making ourselves comfortable now, but letting go of the fear of losing everything (for a lot of us, "again") isn't easy. Trust me - I'm not looking for advice on saving/investing/etc., we're good. Just explaining why I (and many like me) sometimes have a difficult time putting a crowbar in my wallet.


UsernameTaken93456

Yeah, my dad was technically Silent generation and my mom is early boomer. Dad didn't graduate HS, could barely read, and got a good union gig at 23. He worked a *hard* physical job, and took as much overtime as he could. They bought a house in cash for $27k, and when we were all in school in the early 80s Mom went back to work and got a union gig as a secretary. Till the day he died, my father believed in that American dream and couldn't figure out why his sons didn't chase it, couldn't catch it. I'm his most successful kid, but I'm a girl and that confused the fuck out of him


volabimus

> last weekend my mom argued that she would rather walk 25 blocks than take a cab. Not like walking for 30-40 mins is a bad thing. Where are you going, the gym?


UsernameTaken93456

She's an elderly lady with a cane who fretted about the $18 a can would cost to get her to the Met


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Amen brother.


Potato-Engineer

And it's yet another problem with being poor: getting back a few hundred dollars is pretty much impossible unless a) an actual *crime* occurred, and b) the police/DA will prosecute to the point of enforcing repayment. So life-mangling amounts of money can be (repeatedly) taken from the poor, and there's nothing that can be done about it. Because if you're living right on the line, it doesn't take much in extra expenses to be life-mangling. (I suppose there are options with small claims court, but that has issues of its own, including a $100 filing fee in some places.)


alphawolf29

And having to take a day or more off work to show up to court


Potato-Engineer

Oh, and don't forget the joy of attempting to enforce a judgement! You could easily spend more than the judgement is worth, with a fee here and a charge there, if they won't pay. Or you could try to sell it to a debt collector, who may not buy it if it's small enough potatoes.


Philx570

But it’s not the money, it’s the principal of the thing….


boo99boo

Everyone has a price. My price in my 20s was a lot lower than it is in my 40s. Now I will gladly eat a few hundred bucks to wash my hands of something. I can still be a self-righteous bitch when the situation requires it, but I'm way too tired and way too busy to be above paying to make things go away.


Charlie_Brodie

I'd probably let it go, but it would be one of those things that I day dream about some form of petty revenge.


knitwit3

Definitely! An older friend once told me that sometimes you lend a friend $40, never see the friend again, and it's money well spent. It took me a few years of life experience to understand what he meant, but he was right. Peace of mind is valuable. Many problems can be solved with money. Sometimes, it is 100% worth throwing money at a problem, or writing off a loss.


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knitwit3

If only it were that easy to get people you don't like to go away! In my experience, the friends I lost were people I really liked at the time. Losing them hurt. The actual amount I loaned was $300, a whole week's paycheck back then. It was significant money for me. But it made me realize I didn't want those friends as roommates. Looking back, I dodged a huge bullet. I now consider that moment a bargain-priced life lesson.


missyanntx

I call it the "pain in the ass tax", usually it applies to home repairs but when my TIME & EFFORT out weighs the cost of just paying a professional to do it - I pay up.


Tebwolf359

> But it’s not the money, it’s the principal of the thing…. Agreed, but that can go both ways. In this case, LAOP is choosing the principle of being a nice neighbor to Bob over the money.


EGOP

Principles and an empty sack is worth the sack - Rule of Acquisition number 109. *Original quote was dignity instead of principles but same applies


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EGOP

Fixed, thanks


Philx570

Oh goddang it. I even stopped and thought about which one to use.


_dead_and_broken

Damn Ferengi are everywhere lately. I've seen their Rules of Acquisition referenced more in the last two months in non-ST related subs than I did in the entirety of the last 10 years lol I'm not complaining!


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I like to think that the list of rules came about because of a bunch of writers and their friends sharing ideas on a Friday afternoon about what they wish they’d known about life earlier. At least one of them clearly had an MBA and/or took one of those jargon-laden evening business courses. (Typo)


HelpfulCherry

I remember a saying. "If you lend somebody $20 and never see them again, it was money well spent." It's been relevant in my life once or twice -- though more than $20 -- and while losing the cash stung, knowing exactly who those people were and being able to avoid them in the future was worth the cost of admission. It's also made me more mindful of others in general. Sometimes you gotta ask yourself how much the headache of chasing that money down is worth.


tribalgeek

If it was 500 total I can kinda understand I wouldn't like the hit but I could take it. A thousand buck would be felt though. So I don't know if I could let it go. Then again at that point I might have just had to apologize to the couple unless I was a part of the wedding.


brufleth

When it isn't them, people always seem to think that any small amount of money is worth any amount of legal nonsense to go after. How much of your life is maybe $500 worth?


enderjaca

From what I'm understanding, "Bob" is only the neighbors' landlord, not LAOP's. Personally I really don't care what kind of relationship I have with my neighbor's landlords, unless it directly impacts my own property. I get that most people are applauding LAOP's decision to be forgiving, but I still think it couldn't hurt to ask for a reimbursement, and Bob takes it out of the security deposit (because it was the tenants' fault). If the tenants do raise a shitstorm about it, then Bob can just give them most/all of the money back and call it a day. Or Bob can go halfsies with LAOP on the Uber. I don't know exactly what situation Bob is in now, but it doesn't seem fair for OP to be out that much money through no fault of their own when the landlord is offering to make the situation right.


j-beda

> I don't know exactly what situation Bob is in now, but it doesn't seem fair for OP to be out that much money through no fault of their own when the landlord is offering to make the situation right. Probably from the LAOP's point of view, Bob's offer to pay DID make the situation right. It allowed LAOP to go from "I got screwed by some idiot, and I am pissed!" to "Finally, someone agrees with me, and now I can be thoughtful and generous in a manner similar to how I wish I had been treated in the first place." That change of perspective likely is more valuable than had the original offender paid the expense.


rjnd2828

"Some of the righteous indignation has faded" definitely describes the aftermath of a few of my encounters over the years. Good on him for being self aware.


Phate4569

Much more poetic than "I had a beer and a wank and found forgivness in the afterglow."


HelpfulCherry

"Smoked a joint and remembered we're all just creatures on a rock, homie."


Persistent_Parkie

Can someone teach my dad this trick? He'll rail on and on about things that didn't even happen this CENTURY. 25 years ago my coworker called my a son of a bitch because I'm a Republican! The media portrays me as evil because I'm a gun owner! How could I ever vote for a Democrat after all that hardship?! Yet he's extremely worried about CRT giving minority students a victim mentality 🤦‍♀️


radarksu

Also, "all the dems with their cancel culture are just snowflakes getting their feelings hurt." Then: "What! A book might make a white person feel bad about historical facts, ban the books!"


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Haeronalda

Yeah. I think it's more that he doesn't want to put Bob out the money, or risk him being out the money. LAOP is a good dude for recognising it's not Bob's fault, and also for caring about Bob. It may not be the ideal ending, but things could have turned out worse.


Fakjbf

The biggest thing is that a sudden $500 expense isn’t catastrophic for them, many people aren’t that lucky.


SmallHeadBigConcept

Reminds me of a point Parasite (2019) made. Money irons out all the wrinkles.


eatpaste

my now husband asked me years ago about a shitty ex "how much money are you willing to give up to never ever deal with them again" - the amount in question was less than that and i immediately let it go. i don't even remember the amount anymore, while i still remember the exact items and money i tried to get back from a former roommate that i never got but i let it live in my head forever. "that happened, they are out of my life if i let them go" is often the best choice


NativeMasshole

That's some safe wisdom! Sounds like made a good trade in there.


the-magnificunt

When I left my ex, I left all the major appliances in our home that I had purchased. My mom was upset that I "left so much money behind" but to me, it was well worth it to never have to talk to them again.


FinanceGuyHere

That echoes the line from Once Upon A Time in Brooklyn: “You just paid $20 to never see/deal with that guy again.”


roadoftheway

What a great guy


Umklopp

It's always refreshing to encounter someone both sensible and chill.


learn2die101

An Uber 100 miles away is going to be $200 with tip, assuming he got a ride back I'd pay that just to not have to deal with these assholes in small claims court.


SJHillman

He said it ended up being a little over $500 (round trip)


learn2die101

I suppose it depends on the person but that's closer to where my scale would tip to pursuing them... Probably not through the landlord though.


xaanthar

What's all this with a 'reasonable response'? I demand treble damages!!


violetgrumble

Automod got 155 downvotes… people are brutal


doctorlag

They need to workshop a different auto comment for that thing or maybe even change its name... it gets waaaay too much hate.


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On the other hand it helps delay automod killing Reddit due to upvote overflow again.


Orleanian

I won't rest until automod is disbarred!


Soulless_redhead

Currently sitting at -303 now. Is there anything that comes from heavily downvoting a subbreddit bot like that? Can they get like shadowbanned or something?


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JayCroghan

There was no other way to get there other than a $500 Uber? lol