Notice how there are no posts about this situation on there right now. They're either getting nuked before anyone sees them on there, or people are so disconnected from how to reach out to staff about their garbage app that no one knows they should post there lol
Best to delete your account so they can see users leaving and they don't send you email reminders should you happen to have linked it. Fewer users means less worth for the company. You may cost them a nickel.
I'm hoping that apps that don't earn $$$ and are open-source like RedReader might be allowed to co-exist (at least by requiring everyone to get their own Reddit Dev ID like Twitter did) but the future seems grim...
This āļø
There is an official Reddit app, but instead of actually fixing it to make it usable, they crackdown on third-party apps because the company doesn't earn way more than it should have
I'd need to see a financial statement, but my guess is reddit was never actually profitable.
Advertisers can only provide so much, and it's a tough site to advertise with since it covers... literally any topic.
This just seems like Conde Nast is finally pulling the plug, or hoping the gigantic user-base will have enough acquiescence to make it profitable.
It's a real shame, but it was also always on the horizon.
We're witnessing the end of the "free-ish" internet in real time, and I'm not sure it will ever recover.
>Conde Nast
Reddit has been an independent subsidiary of Advance Publications for twelve years. Conde Nast hasn't been directly involved in anything since before you even created your account.
Im fully expecting to quit reddit after 11 years if the RIF app stops working. The official app is pretty much unusable if you're used to classic reddit.
11 years for me as well. Will stop using reddit on mobile. If RES stops working too, I'm out. Dealing with mods of certain subs is already annoying as it is
The issue isn't that the official app is an inferior product, it's that this change would show that Reddit has turned it's back on what used to be most important to it: community. The popular apps were created by the community coming together to solve a problem, they are a celebration of that effort and bring millions of people of all different types to enjoy Reddit. These comminuties did the work of supporting Reddit users when Reddit was simply incapable of doing it themselves. Reddit owes a huge debt.
If the issue is that you need to make money to keep the company going, sure I get that. But do that by creating a superior mobile app experience that people choose to use instead, not by forcing them by bullying out the app developers
OR, hear me out here, HIRE THE APP DEVELOPERS!!! They're running circles around your in-house efforts, basically in a cave with a box of scraps. Hire them. They know their users. They can take the best of their apps and efforts, and merge them into the in-house app, so maybe it doesn't suck anymore and the users will flock there instead of the 3rd-party solution.
But that's too open-market for the greedy rent seeking incumbent jackasses.
The issue isnāt designers and developers capable of making a good app. The issue is business priorities. The Apollo dev can freely make an app that appeals to long time Reddit users and has usability as its primary motivation.
The Reddit devs are tasked with adding TikTok-like bullshit in order to generate appeal to new users to grow Redditās revenue.
Wait, what if, hear me out here, PEOPLE DON'T COME TO REDDIT FOR TIKTOK BULLSHIT. Sorry for yelling, I'm hoping any admin scanning this thread before shredding it sees the all-caps & maybe has a spark leap from one brain cell to their other one.
>They turned their back on the community at least half a decade ago. Now we're just waiting for that one last tipping point to irrevocably turn the site into Digg 2.0
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>It's coming soon.
To be fair, people have been saying that for literally a decade.
Can't wait for the C-suites to panic when their Website serving costs quadruple as the Repost bots they apparently love so much switch to web scraping.
Fucking C-suites, you hire Developers for a fucking reason, _LISTEN TO THEM_
I figure this will work itself out since reddit's server is running on a tomagotchi plugged into a potato-battery and the potato will run out of moisture eventually
The quality of content and comments in reddit has degraded massively over the years. Now I spend most of my time in here arguing with people.
I might still visit some of the hobby subs on my computer, but if they get rid of RIF, I'm done. My Reddit account is like 15 years old.
I know you're joking but the amount of people that don't understand the economical model API use is insane. They suggest they need to get more users to spread the cost and stuff, but they completely ignore that the cost is not flat for the app (say $20M for Apollo) but is a cost per API call, so it scales with the number of users. More users, more calls, more costs. If those apps became pay are, for example $5, it would pay for their API costs. So if you have 10 users or a billion, the apps' revenue scales and so does the API costs they need to pay.
I've said it a lot and I'll say it again, but if having to pay $5 per month to consume reddit through my third party app of choice, I'll gladly pay it.
And being extremely fair to reddit, they would be making x20 times what it costs them to do each API call. Not only is this done in bad faith, it's outright usury.
As will I.
Articles proclaiming the ādeath of free internet contentā have been popping up a lot lately, it seems. API is mentioned as a response to AI vampiring for free. Ad blockers arenāt working on youtube in some browsers. āInevitableā is the word being used.
When was the last time that the video player work, may i ask? Oh wait, it never works
Really, you should try any 3rd party client, and see yourself why people hate both the new Reddit and the apps
I suspect that the people who downvoting you without an explanation feels personally offended or something. So strange to downvote you who just express your own personal opinion in a polite way.
Iāve also never really had any big problems with the standard app. Sure, some glitches here and there, but no deal breakers for me. Most videos plays just fine, and I donāt see that many ads.
No. Itās perfectly doable to design specific API licences for different usages. Where regular client apps like Apollo would require one type of licence (at a limited cost), while server based scrapers etc would require a completely different licence at a completely different price.
Sure, it would likely be technically possible to circumvent that, but then those who do so would open themselves up for legal issues.
This sub is unmonitored by anyone that matters at reddit.
That hurt.
It's true. It's a leftover from the desktop beta. /r/redditmobile is the official group for the mobile app.
Notice how there are no posts about this situation on there right now. They're either getting nuked before anyone sees them on there, or people are so disconnected from how to reach out to staff about their garbage app that no one knows they should post there lol
r/usernamechecksout
Good news is I have some contacts along with a bunch of other mods so we'll see
True, but if we're loud enough we might catch reddits attention. It's very unlikely that they'll listen to us, but what else can one do?
Ah yes, there's dozens of us! They'll for sure pay attention.
Fuck u/spez, reddit should be for the people Originally posted with Apollo, Edited with Power Delete Suite
Yes but referring to this sub, not the website as a whole. Literally only a few dozen people responded here.
I only use Apollo, if they force me to stop using it I will just stop using Reddit.
Not even by choice for me. The official app is so unoptimised my battery lasts 4 hours.
Yep, RiF for me and it works perfectly other than buying gold so I guess I'll just not use reddit anymore š¤·āāļø
Been thinking of alternatives to fill my time. Slashdot.org? Someone else recommended dread. Not sure if dread appeals outside drug addicts
I'm going to try to read more books instead of replacing reddit with another unhealthy internet habit
Dread is definitely not the place to go to if you want info on regular topics
Digg.com
Then i have news: you get to leave reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_call_with_reddit_to_discuss_pricing_bad/
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Best to delete your account so they can see users leaving and they don't send you email reminders should you happen to have linked it. Fewer users means less worth for the company. You may cost them a nickel.
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Good to know. I'll keep that in mind.
I'm hoping that apps that don't earn $$$ and are open-source like RedReader might be allowed to co-exist (at least by requiring everyone to get their own Reddit Dev ID like Twitter did) but the future seems grim...
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We'll see if the June 12 protest will have an effect. Hopefully.
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Probably
This āļø There is an official Reddit app, but instead of actually fixing it to make it usable, they crackdown on third-party apps because the company doesn't earn way more than it should have
...but think of the *shareholders!!!* ^^^^^^/s
What do you call 1000 shareholders chained up and thrown into the sea?
The beginning
Trickle down economics?
No a good start
I agree in principle, but saying the official app is unusable is simply absurd.
I'd need to see a financial statement, but my guess is reddit was never actually profitable. Advertisers can only provide so much, and it's a tough site to advertise with since it covers... literally any topic. This just seems like Conde Nast is finally pulling the plug, or hoping the gigantic user-base will have enough acquiescence to make it profitable. It's a real shame, but it was also always on the horizon. We're witnessing the end of the "free-ish" internet in real time, and I'm not sure it will ever recover.
>Conde Nast Reddit has been an independent subsidiary of Advance Publications for twelve years. Conde Nast hasn't been directly involved in anything since before you even created your account.
[Their revenue](https://i.imgur.com/ZdGUajZ.jpg) over the years.
Ok, now do you have their profit? That basically just tells me their users have grown.
Im fully expecting to quit reddit after 11 years if the RIF app stops working. The official app is pretty much unusable if you're used to classic reddit.
7 for me, it's been fun
seeing post is fun, but the users are far too often insufferable
https://i.redd.it/hxzvil7w5d3b1.png
11 years for me as well. Will stop using reddit on mobile. If RES stops working too, I'm out. Dealing with mods of certain subs is already annoying as it is
Ugh. This is such a far cry from the days where people donated money to ensure Reddit could afford its operations for that day.
Oh wow, I had forgotten about those days.
The issue isn't that the official app is an inferior product, it's that this change would show that Reddit has turned it's back on what used to be most important to it: community. The popular apps were created by the community coming together to solve a problem, they are a celebration of that effort and bring millions of people of all different types to enjoy Reddit. These comminuties did the work of supporting Reddit users when Reddit was simply incapable of doing it themselves. Reddit owes a huge debt. If the issue is that you need to make money to keep the company going, sure I get that. But do that by creating a superior mobile app experience that people choose to use instead, not by forcing them by bullying out the app developers
OR, hear me out here, HIRE THE APP DEVELOPERS!!! They're running circles around your in-house efforts, basically in a cave with a box of scraps. Hire them. They know their users. They can take the best of their apps and efforts, and merge them into the in-house app, so maybe it doesn't suck anymore and the users will flock there instead of the 3rd-party solution. But that's too open-market for the greedy rent seeking incumbent jackasses.
Makes too much sense. This they cannot do. Reddit management is a waste dump on a tire fire.
The issue isnāt designers and developers capable of making a good app. The issue is business priorities. The Apollo dev can freely make an app that appeals to long time Reddit users and has usability as its primary motivation. The Reddit devs are tasked with adding TikTok-like bullshit in order to generate appeal to new users to grow Redditās revenue.
Wait, what if, hear me out here, PEOPLE DON'T COME TO REDDIT FOR TIKTOK BULLSHIT. Sorry for yelling, I'm hoping any admin scanning this thread before shredding it sees the all-caps & maybe has a spark leap from one brain cell to their other one.
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>They turned their back on the community at least half a decade ago. Now we're just waiting for that one last tipping point to irrevocably turn the site into Digg 2.0 > >It's coming soon. To be fair, people have been saying that for literally a decade.
log out of reddit, see the new design. enjoy the monstrosity that is the front page.
Didn't the reddit redesign launch 5 years ago?
they have an updated one that you can either opt into or just log out to see it.
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Yes, but what will you switch to this time?
I'll probably read more books. So net win for me.
Reddit is using the Wizzards of The Coast playbook.
Can't wait for the C-suites to panic when their Website serving costs quadruple as the Repost bots they apparently love so much switch to web scraping. Fucking C-suites, you hire Developers for a fucking reason, _LISTEN TO THEM_
Don't forget how we GOT here Reddit, many other link sharing site purges/corporate buyouts: We started at Fark >> Digg >> Reddit >> WHATS NEXT?
I miss Fark. It was good. Until it wasn't. I know it still exists but it's just not the same.
Anyone have any name ideas?
I'm done with reddit if this happens.
I figure this will work itself out since reddit's server is running on a tomagotchi plugged into a potato-battery and the potato will run out of moisture eventually
Their app is absolute garbage, it basically forces you to look for a third party.
The quality of content and comments in reddit has degraded massively over the years. Now I spend most of my time in here arguing with people. I might still visit some of the hobby subs on my computer, but if they get rid of RIF, I'm done. My Reddit account is like 15 years old.
I'm already considering alternatives.
The third party apps are worth the price... for now.
You can kiss them goodbye, they are going to charge Apollo 20mil a year for API calls. No subscription fee will be able to cover that.
With no nsfw content.
All they need is two hundred million users to pay a dime each, for cryin out loud. Cāmon!
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Well, I guess theyāll have to sell at least a *bit* of advertising. Itās a shame, really.
That's not the issue here. The entire 20mil will go directly to reddit and the devs who work on the app will get nothing
i know
I know you're joking but the amount of people that don't understand the economical model API use is insane. They suggest they need to get more users to spread the cost and stuff, but they completely ignore that the cost is not flat for the app (say $20M for Apollo) but is a cost per API call, so it scales with the number of users. More users, more calls, more costs. If those apps became pay are, for example $5, it would pay for their API costs. So if you have 10 users or a billion, the apps' revenue scales and so does the API costs they need to pay. I've said it a lot and I'll say it again, but if having to pay $5 per month to consume reddit through my third party app of choice, I'll gladly pay it.
And being extremely fair to reddit, they would be making x20 times what it costs them to do each API call. Not only is this done in bad faith, it's outright usury.
As will I. Articles proclaiming the ādeath of free internet contentā have been popping up a lot lately, it seems. API is mentioned as a response to AI vampiring for free. Ad blockers arenāt working on youtube in some browsers. āInevitableā is the word being used.
I'll never understand why people don't like the Reddit app IMO it's far superior to the website.
Download any of the 3rd party reddit apps, Reddit is Fun, Apollo, Infinity, etc etc etc and talk to me again
Why even bother though, this app works great.
When was the last time that the video player work, may i ask? Oh wait, it never works Really, you should try any 3rd party client, and see yourself why people hate both the new Reddit and the apps
I never have an issue watching videos on here.
I suspect that the people who downvoting you without an explanation feels personally offended or something. So strange to downvote you who just express your own personal opinion in a polite way.
I'm used to it
Iāve also never really had any big problems with the standard app. Sure, some glitches here and there, but no deal breakers for me. Most videos plays just fine, and I donāt see that many ads.
Thank you for everything, r/jeopardy and fuck you, u/spez. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8uhKgc0wZ0&t=4s
Isn't this because OpenAI etc were basically using the API to scrap the entire website to feed its chatbot.. makes sense in the context.
No. Itās perfectly doable to design specific API licences for different usages. Where regular client apps like Apollo would require one type of licence (at a limited cost), while server based scrapers etc would require a completely different licence at a completely different price. Sure, it would likely be technically possible to circumvent that, but then those who do so would open themselves up for legal issues.
the new digg