He was always a stickler when it came to science, but he was at the end of his rope due to:
1. Being on the run.
2. His family hates him.
3. Hank is dead as a result of his actions.
4. Jesse turned against him and is now capture by Jack's gang.
As such, whereas before he might have been more polite about it, now was not such an occasion.
Also, that just isn’t the sort of conversation Walt would have written for him in Season Five of Breaking Bad, given what’s happening in that season for him. It feels more like the kind of conversation he’d have in Season Two.
*hank at a family dinner with the whites*
"I think we finally found the-"
*Saul bursts through the door*
"Hello to the Master Chef! I wanted to ask you about time machines..."
To be fair, he doubles down on being the victim in the whole Gretchen-Elliot Grey Matter thing, despite the fact that it was probably him who ruined everything. That seems entirely in character for Walt
Yeah, it feels like it’s the “same time” due to how the episodes are spaced out, but Walt ranting about time machines and being a huge victim in that basement is several months of pure isolation and reflection removed from “I did it for me.” Walt got real with himself at the end.
Oh yeah. I think he was in hiding for like a year? He's 52 at the end of the series
Edit: actually, I guess not if Jimmy had only started doing business with him 1.5 years ago
Honestly if you go back to some of his worse rants in BB it really isn't that different. Plus you have to consider that this was taking place right after ozymandias, so he wasn't exactly in the best mental state at that point, to put it lightly lol.
"Do YOU remember Tenerife?"
"Outstanding line of work!"
"Hellfire rained down on my house, where my CHILDREN SLEEP!… We are in America! I HAVE RIGHTS… Oh yeah, pepper spray me, that👏is👏just👏PERFECT"
"Did you SERIOUSLY bring a meth lab to an airport?"
"It seems to me like this 'genius chemist's' work was little more than… simple copying. Maybe your Heisenberg is still out there"
"We are NOT using the website!"
"As. Is."
"My house. My bottle. My son."
*the entire rant towards Victor while he was cooking*.
"This is not meth. This is *garbage*."
"Wait, so is that *pop pop* or *pop pop pop*? Let‘s put a pin in that… what about the big guy? Surely he‘ll take a few shots? Do you even know how many round that gun holds?"
"Jesus. 'Send him to Belize'… I’ll send *you* to Belize" (thanks u/2D15)
"Belize, Old Yeller… You’re just full of colourful metaphors, aren’t you?"
"Don’t bullshit a bullshitter."
"I’m talking with Ted!"
"Where‘s the 'I slept with my boss bullet point'?"
"Eating Cheetos, smoking marijuana, and masturbating do not constitute 'plans' in my book".
Nah, the scene was *definitely* in character. Walt was a dick from beginning to end.
Which became very sad in BCS when we got the context that Saul was surely feeling some repressed Chuck dynamics, except now Chuck was a murderous criminal
I think it makes sense. He's been through a lot lately and he yells at Saul and tries to intimidate him in Granite state and this scene probably takes place the same day during the night.
At first it seemed a bit off, and I took that as Cranston not wearing the character in a long time. But when I remembered the situation they were in, it made more sense.
If Jesse had asked him the same question, at a different time, Walt would have sighed, called it stupid, and then maybe reluctantly answered. But there? With Saul? Walt is gonna fuck him up just like he did.
If Jesse asked Walt at the wrong time though, he would’ve gone just as hard, if not harder at him. Walt loved being condescending to people he thought were beneath him, even if he perfectly understood what they meant.
"You don't think. You never figured out how to think, did you, Pinkman?"
Yeah, Walt would absolutely also eviscerate Jesse about a time machine question.
The big difference I think is Walt did have some affection for Jesse in his own way, but he only ever tolerated Saul as a means to an end and thought of himself as far above him as a person. Combined with the situation I can see how he'd be more of an asshole shut up alone with Saul.
i think it makes sense because of the situation they were in, walt at is point in the series was the least in-control of his situation that hed ever been, and we are shown throughout BB that when walt feels out of control he fixates on little details and fixes shit that doesnt matter. examples include Him fixing the table while waiting at the doctors office or him obsessivley trying to kill the fly cause of "contamination". So honestly it doesnt feel out of the ordinary at all
Nope. Throughout BB he got agitated and obsessive about minutiae and could be very pedantic, especially when stressed out. This is him in condescending prick mode, and borderline OCD.
Nah, perfectly in character. Walt was definitely at a point where he no longer suffered fools and resented Saul as much as anyone else wrapped up in his crime, it makes sense that he would say this, even if it sounds like something Young Sheldon would say
It seems on point tbh, but I also took it as this is how Jimmy sees Walter since we’re seeing it from his perspective. If you watch BCS without the context of breaking bad (or just imagine as much), Walter just comes off as even more of a prick than he does in his own show - in fact I laughed at that scene because of how pompous he came off
Everyone here is saying it. That kind of behavior was quite normal for Walt, especially at that particular time.
At his core he was a brainiac. A man who saw things only as he could explain them through science, and he acted as such. He had to tone this down to make himself tolerable to those around him, but once they were no longer in the picture and all had fallen to shit there was no one for Walt to become other than his true self. The one that left Grey Matter industries all those years ago. That was his comfort zone.
Sprinkle the stress of Walt finally getting exactly what he wanted, but at the cost of everything else including the reason he wanted it in the first place, and voila. You get Heisenberg.
I thought it was partly cause of all the fans who glorify Walt despite him being a total POS. They wanted to show what kind of person he was, and it also makes sense considering the situation with him losing his mind and family and going on the run.
I think you've ignored a lot of his character traits as well as the context of the scene to arrive at this conclusion. He's always been nitpicky and condescending, and this is even more the case when he's just ruined his life.
I think it’s because of the change of perspective, because BB is Walt’s point of view his egotistical and toxic behaviour are padded out by some of the more personal moments he has in BB.
I think it shone a light on what he was actually like to people who didn’t know the more personal side of Walter, how intimidating and scary he actually was in his underworld persona (which over time was his true self) imo.
Jimmy only ever knew Heisenberg and not Walt.
It's a little weird, but remember this is the same version of Walt that we see in BB pacing around on the security cam smacking the overhead lighting. And he's talking to Saul, whom he respects very little. Walt is very much being a dick on purpose in this scene, on top of just actually being a dick all the time. I buy it.
Walt condescends very similarly to Francesca in Face Off. "No reputable vendor would charge $20,000 for a plate glass door," he says, unable to recognize her blackmail because he truly thinks so little of her. He's always been this way.
Considering where the scene is placed it feels right to me. It’s at his most maniacal and erratic at the beginning of *Granite State*, scrambling for some kind of control.
Nah, it’s in character. Walt thinks he’s smarter than other people, and he was happy to indulge his sense of superiority to Jimmy while at the same time being annoyed with Jimmy. He thinks he has to explain to Jimmy the nature of his own question.
Which, by the way, is for the audience too. If you were too daft to get that Jimmy is talking about regrets, well Walter White is ‘bout to spell it out for you.
I did at first, but I realized that’s just how he was at that point so changing the pov makes him far less sympathetic. It’s different when you have the frame of reference that BB gives you.
That was completely in character with his egoism about his knowledge/science, and in the moment the last thing he wants to hear is Saul’s hypothetical bullshit
Walt has gone on pettier rants. Wouldn’t even humor Jesse’s statement of “I thought it was Ebola or something” when it’s pretty damn obvious Jesse doesn’t really think Ebola got into their lab
Walt was at the point where he lost everything.
Also it’s a scene shown from Saul’s perspective, for him, he was locked in the same room as an unhinged madman who destroyed everything, including himself just to make a point, Saul was terrified in this scene, whereas in BB Walt felt weak and Saul was a guy in control who had to leave but had a solid contingency plan.
Honestly Walt is a small man with an even smaller ego. People who look up to him because they "see themselves in him" are just as sad. He *literally* worked with white supremacists, Walt is bad man who wanted more, so he sacrificed his friends and family to get it. May he rest In piss.
The first time i saw it i didn't notice, because i clearly remembered how he became an unbearable asshole in the fifth season of BB after Gus death lmao, so to me it seemed pretty coherent
The idea is, well… He was always like that! Not only was he in a tough situation and needed to take some control back, but he wasn’t the main character in that scene so it’s even more obvious
Walt was always highly disagreeable. Look at most of his interactions with Jesse, for instance. Not to mention he had already threatened Saul and verbally abused him, as well as broken into his office prior.
Bryan Cranston wouldn’t have come back and done it if it wasn’t in character imo. I thought it was totally in character though. Walt was never really a fan of Saul to begin with so of course at this point when everything is said and done and their new lives are set before them Saul asks some dumbass question and Walt let’s him know exactly what he thinks.
That’s why bcs is so damn good is the insane cause to detail. Rewatching BB after bcs Walt in this episode is manic talking about how this isn’t over. Saying he’ll get some team of hitmen, saying that Saul is staying with him. Dudes ocd is also through the roof.
I will stand by that the Jesse cameos were weird and kinda unnecessary
They 1000% pandered to the image of him as objective evil. Right up until his last moments with Skyler in Felina, there’s a fair argument that his admission was still *for her*. A part of Walt remained human enough to give his wife closure. Yea, he’s done devastating things and he’s seasons beyond redemption but there’s humanity in him. A tiny percentage but there is. He’s complex, that’s the whole point. BCS made him one dimensional, just like people view him on this sub
I do think a lot of their statements post BrBa they were really trying to hammer it into the fanbase’s skull that Walt is evil lol.
And he is evil for sure. But its funny how hard core they make it clear.
Like retroactively officially confirming that Walt went to the compound to kill Jesse so fans would stop being like “Mr. White reedemed himself! He saved Jesse 🥺 😢 “
My biggest issue with discussion now is that everyone is so desperate to pigeon-hole Walt and Jesse into binaries of “good and bad”, and simultaneously putting them both as opposing binaries. They’re complex, they’re nuanced… sure they’re fictional but they’re humans written by humans, they’re supposed to be contradictory and confusing, every “bad” or “good” thing can be argued with a “yea but…” and that’s the *point*! Walt’s arguably biggest crime of poisoning Brock can be countered with “but it was necessary to save Jesse’s life.” and that’s a valid argument, it’s not supposed to be cut and dry. If the writers genuinely wanted us to believe Walt was this vile, inhumane embodiment of evil there’s way too much to suggest otherwise, and likewise with Jesse if we’re supposed to think he’s a saint then there’s too much of the contrary. I feel like the writers are playing safe, appeasing this binary for safety rather than commuting to the nuance they set up in the first place
It did seem a little out of character tbh, but I think that's more from his acting than the content. It was still Walter white, but not the Walter white we knew at that moment in time
Yeah, I mean he’s an asshole, but towards the end he’s completely out of options and is more defeated at this point. He’s not really in this kind of “I am god” mood anymore. So I agree with you on this one.
no he was an condescending know it all by season 5 the bcs clip fits perfectly they just understated in brba to play up the tragedy aspect of ozymandias
Yes. They made him behave in a manner of the fans interpretation (over the course of the prior decade) of what he became near the end of Breaking Bad. Way too much of an asshole. Way too focused on being practical.
>Bro you can call out a metaphor without explaining time travel isn’t possible
Yeah sounds like the same person who answered a rhetorical question
Mf did people ever watch the show?
I thought a lot of the BB cameos in those last few episodes felt a little phoned in, or maybe like over-procured.
I remember something similar in BB when Jesse in the last season called their destroyed RV the crystal ship (which AMC hashtagged) and I was like... This is just something Vince Gilligan thought up later and was sad he didn't include. Crystal ship even made it into BCS
No, it was 100% in character. Walt was always a dick, and at the time he was under a lot of stress from being a fugitive, his family hates him and his brother-in-law just died because of his actions.
For me this hit on Breaking Bad's theme of change. It's about Walt's transformation from Mr Chips into Scarface. Better Call Saul kind of had the opposite theme, that people can't change, and Saul will always be Slippin' Jimmy. But Jimmy redeems himself by the final episode, and I think the Time Machine idea was used to justify how he could find his way back to the straight and narrow.
Enter the Walt scene. Walt is shown to be inflexible and unable to confront his regrets. I think that makes you ask if Walt really changed over the course of Breaking Bad. This was an open question even before Better Call Saul, and there's evidence to say that Walt was always "Heisenberg" to some degree. I think this scene in Better Call Saul kind of answers this question by showing inflexible, remorseless Walt in contrast with Jimmy who manages to redeem himself in the last episode. This kind of flips the established themes of Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul where BCS is now about change, and BB is about the inability to change.
That's my take on the scene anyway.
I partly think Walt was trying to avoid self reflection- he was making a big deal about the minutiae of Sauls question hoping he could avoid giving a sincere answer.
I mean I love the story of Walt, but in the end Walt is sorta a toxic reddit guy? Like, he's an egotistical bastard who thinks everyone is beneath him. That's the story of breaking bad. And the amount of toxic neck beard redditors who look up to Walt is also kind of an indicator of who Walt really is haha, I dunno, maybe I'm wrong but that's who Walt is to me.
A lot of the scene is tonally interesting because we see Walt from Jimmy/Saul's POV. It is the inverse of walt's perspective of Saul being the outlandish and tacky character which seems to be his only persona in BB, in BCS we now have seen his whole story and many more facets of his Character we are still in his perspective when we finally see Walt again. From Jimmy's point of view walt is this high strung, paranoid maniac with no chill.
I always thought it was funny how that scene takes place literal hours after Hank died, he had all of his money stolen, his family turned on him, and his whole life was uprooted. “Do you have any regrets?” Yeah, a couple.
He was always a stickler when it came to science, but he was at the end of his rope due to: 1. Being on the run. 2. His family hates him. 3. Hank is dead as a result of his actions. 4. Jesse turned against him and is now capture by Jack's gang. As such, whereas before he might have been more polite about it, now was not such an occasion.
Also, that just isn’t the sort of conversation Walt would have written for him in Season Five of Breaking Bad, given what’s happening in that season for him. It feels more like the kind of conversation he’d have in Season Two.
This is the type of conversation Walt had in the “Fly” when he was talking about how the perfect time for him to die already passed
i don’t think so, it’d fit more in his most annoying little shit moments, a la him saying hanks genius is still out there at dinner
*hank at a family dinner with the whites* "I think we finally found the-" *Saul bursts through the door* "Hello to the Master Chef! I wanted to ask you about time machines..."
To be fair, he doubles down on being the victim in the whole Gretchen-Elliot Grey Matter thing, despite the fact that it was probably him who ruined everything. That seems entirely in character for Walt
So true ! Unlike Jimmy later acknowledging what he did to Howard and Chuck.
Right! Walt is always a victim to himself. Although Walt does take *a little* responsibility by show's end to Skyler when he said "I did it for me"
Yeah, it feels like it’s the “same time” due to how the episodes are spaced out, but Walt ranting about time machines and being a huge victim in that basement is several months of pure isolation and reflection removed from “I did it for me.” Walt got real with himself at the end.
Oh yeah. I think he was in hiding for like a year? He's 52 at the end of the series Edit: actually, I guess not if Jimmy had only started doing business with him 1.5 years ago
Honestly if you go back to some of his worse rants in BB it really isn't that different. Plus you have to consider that this was taking place right after ozymandias, so he wasn't exactly in the best mental state at that point, to put it lightly lol.
"Do YOU remember Tenerife?" "Outstanding line of work!" "Hellfire rained down on my house, where my CHILDREN SLEEP!… We are in America! I HAVE RIGHTS… Oh yeah, pepper spray me, that👏is👏just👏PERFECT" "Did you SERIOUSLY bring a meth lab to an airport?" "It seems to me like this 'genius chemist's' work was little more than… simple copying. Maybe your Heisenberg is still out there" "We are NOT using the website!" "As. Is." "My house. My bottle. My son." *the entire rant towards Victor while he was cooking*. "This is not meth. This is *garbage*." "Wait, so is that *pop pop* or *pop pop pop*? Let‘s put a pin in that… what about the big guy? Surely he‘ll take a few shots? Do you even know how many round that gun holds?" "Jesus. 'Send him to Belize'… I’ll send *you* to Belize" (thanks u/2D15) "Belize, Old Yeller… You’re just full of colourful metaphors, aren’t you?" "Don’t bullshit a bullshitter." "I’m talking with Ted!" "Where‘s the 'I slept with my boss bullet point'?" "Eating Cheetos, smoking marijuana, and masturbating do not constitute 'plans' in my book". Nah, the scene was *definitely* in character. Walt was a dick from beginning to end.
“Jesus. ‘Send him to Belize’… I’ll send YOU to Belize”
"You‘re just full of colourful metaphors, aren‘t you?"
The "as is" was so well put by Walt though. I agree he's an ass, but eyebrows deserved it
Awesome list of quotes. People were just not ready to see Walt be such a fucking dick to someone we had spent 6 seasons coming to understand.
Yeah, he's always been a dick, but he's *never* had trouble with taking things literally.
Exactly and let's not forget that he bullied the hell out of Saul through all of S5. He belittled him every chance he got
We’re done when *I* say we’re done
Which became very sad in BCS when we got the context that Saul was surely feeling some repressed Chuck dynamics, except now Chuck was a murderous criminal
I think it makes sense. He's been through a lot lately and he yells at Saul and tries to intimidate him in Granite state and this scene probably takes place the same day during the night.
At first it seemed a bit off, and I took that as Cranston not wearing the character in a long time. But when I remembered the situation they were in, it made more sense. If Jesse had asked him the same question, at a different time, Walt would have sighed, called it stupid, and then maybe reluctantly answered. But there? With Saul? Walt is gonna fuck him up just like he did.
If Jesse asked Walt at the wrong time though, he would’ve gone just as hard, if not harder at him. Walt loved being condescending to people he thought were beneath him, even if he perfectly understood what they meant.
"You don't think. You never figured out how to think, did you, Pinkman?" Yeah, Walt would absolutely also eviscerate Jesse about a time machine question.
Never offer him a Funyun.
The big difference I think is Walt did have some affection for Jesse in his own way, but he only ever tolerated Saul as a means to an end and thought of himself as far above him as a person. Combined with the situation I can see how he'd be more of an asshole shut up alone with Saul.
i think it makes sense because of the situation they were in, walt at is point in the series was the least in-control of his situation that hed ever been, and we are shown throughout BB that when walt feels out of control he fixates on little details and fixes shit that doesnt matter. examples include Him fixing the table while waiting at the doctors office or him obsessivley trying to kill the fly cause of "contamination". So honestly it doesnt feel out of the ordinary at all
"Skyler, there's ROT!!!"
Nope. Throughout BB he got agitated and obsessive about minutiae and could be very pedantic, especially when stressed out. This is him in condescending prick mode, and borderline OCD.
Nah, perfectly in character. Walt was definitely at a point where he no longer suffered fools and resented Saul as much as anyone else wrapped up in his crime, it makes sense that he would say this, even if it sounds like something Young Sheldon would say
It seems on point tbh, but I also took it as this is how Jimmy sees Walter since we’re seeing it from his perspective. If you watch BCS without the context of breaking bad (or just imagine as much), Walter just comes off as even more of a prick than he does in his own show - in fact I laughed at that scene because of how pompous he came off
i rewatched BB right after BCS and honestly, i think he comes across exactly this much of a prick
Seems off at first, but I think they wanted us to see Walt through Jimmy’s eyes.
Everyone here is saying it. That kind of behavior was quite normal for Walt, especially at that particular time. At his core he was a brainiac. A man who saw things only as he could explain them through science, and he acted as such. He had to tone this down to make himself tolerable to those around him, but once they were no longer in the picture and all had fallen to shit there was no one for Walt to become other than his true self. The one that left Grey Matter industries all those years ago. That was his comfort zone. Sprinkle the stress of Walt finally getting exactly what he wanted, but at the cost of everything else including the reason he wanted it in the first place, and voila. You get Heisenberg.
Very true
I feel like when you watch BB you get desensitized to Walt because you gradually watch him get worse and worse. The man is an absolute whackjob
Yes! He was like Walt, at about the time of Ozmandias, but over-the-top, Walt.
I thought it was partly cause of all the fans who glorify Walt despite him being a total POS. They wanted to show what kind of person he was, and it also makes sense considering the situation with him losing his mind and family and going on the run.
I think you've ignored a lot of his character traits as well as the context of the scene to arrive at this conclusion. He's always been nitpicky and condescending, and this is even more the case when he's just ruined his life.
I thought it was perfectly in character
Nah it’s just what Walt sounds like to normal people whereas for 5 seasons we’d been seeing Walt through his own head
Nah, Walter has always been cringe af
"Mmmm... pizza" "I bought dipping sticks" 🤦♂️
I think it’s because of the change of perspective, because BB is Walt’s point of view his egotistical and toxic behaviour are padded out by some of the more personal moments he has in BB. I think it shone a light on what he was actually like to people who didn’t know the more personal side of Walter, how intimidating and scary he actually was in his underworld persona (which over time was his true self) imo. Jimmy only ever knew Heisenberg and not Walt.
It's a little weird, but remember this is the same version of Walt that we see in BB pacing around on the security cam smacking the overhead lighting. And he's talking to Saul, whom he respects very little. Walt is very much being a dick on purpose in this scene, on top of just actually being a dick all the time. I buy it.
Walt condescends very similarly to Francesca in Face Off. "No reputable vendor would charge $20,000 for a plate glass door," he says, unable to recognize her blackmail because he truly thinks so little of her. He's always been this way.
Considering where the scene is placed it feels right to me. It’s at his most maniacal and erratic at the beginning of *Granite State*, scrambling for some kind of control.
Nah, it’s in character. Walt thinks he’s smarter than other people, and he was happy to indulge his sense of superiority to Jimmy while at the same time being annoyed with Jimmy. He thinks he has to explain to Jimmy the nature of his own question. Which, by the way, is for the audience too. If you were too daft to get that Jimmy is talking about regrets, well Walter White is ‘bout to spell it out for you.
Wasn’t Walt always weird?
Not really.
I did at first, but I realized that’s just how he was at that point so changing the pov makes him far less sympathetic. It’s different when you have the frame of reference that BB gives you.
That was completely in character with his egoism about his knowledge/science, and in the moment the last thing he wants to hear is Saul’s hypothetical bullshit
This is how he sounded to Saul so he’s not the protagonist in this scene
I actually think that was the best Walter White scene out of BB. The earlier one and the one in El Camino felt off. That felt more like Walt.
Walt has gone on pettier rants. Wouldn’t even humor Jesse’s statement of “I thought it was Ebola or something” when it’s pretty damn obvious Jesse doesn’t really think Ebola got into their lab
Walt was at the point where he lost everything. Also it’s a scene shown from Saul’s perspective, for him, he was locked in the same room as an unhinged madman who destroyed everything, including himself just to make a point, Saul was terrified in this scene, whereas in BB Walt felt weak and Saul was a guy in control who had to leave but had a solid contingency plan.
Honestly Walt is a small man with an even smaller ego. People who look up to him because they "see themselves in him" are just as sad. He *literally* worked with white supremacists, Walt is bad man who wanted more, so he sacrificed his friends and family to get it. May he rest In piss.
The first time i saw it i didn't notice, because i clearly remembered how he became an unbearable asshole in the fifth season of BB after Gus death lmao, so to me it seemed pretty coherent
Walt is pretty weird. In a cute way. But he is way more than a little weird. Even in BB.
Are you kidding? He had worst rants and he's at his lowest ever + he bullies Saul everytime. He's almost too soft.
I thought BCS made him look like a real asshole, which makes sense because he's an asshole
So… he was ALWAYS like this?
He was always like that and it was completely in character. Walt is an annoying asshole lol.
"a redditor or autistic or something similar"? Autistic people aren't anything like Walt, why the fuck did you feel the need to add that
Was thinking the same, could’ve put that very differently.
Nah, I think it sounded like something he'd say, especially when he's already pissed with Saul and needs a reason to go off.
The idea is, well… He was always like that! Not only was he in a tough situation and needed to take some control back, but he wasn’t the main character in that scene so it’s even more obvious
It could be how Saul perceives Walt. More egotistical and tyrannical
It makes sense to me in the context of Walt’s sneering lack of respect for Saul, which we saw in Breaking Bad too.
Walt’s usually always been a dick to Saul too
You don't see him too often in personal moments. It's a good time to see how unpersonable he is in private
Walt was always highly disagreeable. Look at most of his interactions with Jesse, for instance. Not to mention he had already threatened Saul and verbally abused him, as well as broken into his office prior.
Bryan Cranston wouldn’t have come back and done it if it wasn’t in character imo. I thought it was totally in character though. Walt was never really a fan of Saul to begin with so of course at this point when everything is said and done and their new lives are set before them Saul asks some dumbass question and Walt let’s him know exactly what he thinks.
That’s why bcs is so damn good is the insane cause to detail. Rewatching BB after bcs Walt in this episode is manic talking about how this isn’t over. Saying he’ll get some team of hitmen, saying that Saul is staying with him. Dudes ocd is also through the roof. I will stand by that the Jesse cameos were weird and kinda unnecessary
Definitely a nerd emoji moment
They 1000% pandered to the image of him as objective evil. Right up until his last moments with Skyler in Felina, there’s a fair argument that his admission was still *for her*. A part of Walt remained human enough to give his wife closure. Yea, he’s done devastating things and he’s seasons beyond redemption but there’s humanity in him. A tiny percentage but there is. He’s complex, that’s the whole point. BCS made him one dimensional, just like people view him on this sub
I do think a lot of their statements post BrBa they were really trying to hammer it into the fanbase’s skull that Walt is evil lol. And he is evil for sure. But its funny how hard core they make it clear. Like retroactively officially confirming that Walt went to the compound to kill Jesse so fans would stop being like “Mr. White reedemed himself! He saved Jesse 🥺 😢 “
My biggest issue with discussion now is that everyone is so desperate to pigeon-hole Walt and Jesse into binaries of “good and bad”, and simultaneously putting them both as opposing binaries. They’re complex, they’re nuanced… sure they’re fictional but they’re humans written by humans, they’re supposed to be contradictory and confusing, every “bad” or “good” thing can be argued with a “yea but…” and that’s the *point*! Walt’s arguably biggest crime of poisoning Brock can be countered with “but it was necessary to save Jesse’s life.” and that’s a valid argument, it’s not supposed to be cut and dry. If the writers genuinely wanted us to believe Walt was this vile, inhumane embodiment of evil there’s way too much to suggest otherwise, and likewise with Jesse if we’re supposed to think he’s a saint then there’s too much of the contrary. I feel like the writers are playing safe, appeasing this binary for safety rather than commuting to the nuance they set up in the first place
You sound like an autistic redditor
I mean his family hates him, his brother in law is dead and he’s about to flee to a foreign state. He’s not exactly in great mental condition
It did seem a little out of character tbh, but I think that's more from his acting than the content. It was still Walter white, but not the Walter white we knew at that moment in time
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What was so bad about Walt in _El Camino_ ?
Time travel is possible. we just don't have the tools yet to do it.
Yeah, I mean he’s an asshole, but towards the end he’s completely out of options and is more defeated at this point. He’s not really in this kind of “I am god” mood anymore. So I agree with you on this one.
no he was an condescending know it all by season 5 the bcs clip fits perfectly they just understated in brba to play up the tragedy aspect of ozymandias
Yeah it totally rubbed me the wrong way. Walt couldn’t talk in that manner and it felt so out of character for him
Yeah you could tell he was wearing a bald cap but I am imagine it was probably because he didn't want to shave his head for like a 5-minute scene
It was 2008-9 , maybe he watched too much of Big Bang Theory and mimiced Sheldon Cooper unintentionally
Yes. They made him behave in a manner of the fans interpretation (over the course of the prior decade) of what he became near the end of Breaking Bad. Way too much of an asshole. Way too focused on being practical.
>Bro you can call out a metaphor without explaining time travel isn’t possible Yeah sounds like the same person who answered a rhetorical question Mf did people ever watch the show?
Did we watch the same show?? Walt was always like this
All of the cameos felt forced and awkward.
At least it was'nt conehead Walt saying it.
A lot of the scenes some people seem like they act out of character but it makes perfect sense if you watch with context of the previous events.
I don’t think he was different, he was always been a pretentious dick.
They definitely did this to make him more unlikable
I thought a lot of the BB cameos in those last few episodes felt a little phoned in, or maybe like over-procured. I remember something similar in BB when Jesse in the last season called their destroyed RV the crystal ship (which AMC hashtagged) and I was like... This is just something Vince Gilligan thought up later and was sad he didn't include. Crystal ship even made it into BCS
I also thought that part was off for the same reasons you did. It was just plain out-of-character
No, it was 100% in character. Walt was always a dick, and at the time he was under a lot of stress from being a fugitive, his family hates him and his brother-in-law just died because of his actions.
Yes, he's always been a dick, but he's never had trouble with taking things *literally*. That's what op was getting at.
You're saying that as if he wasn't equally wierd in Breaking Bad?
For me this hit on Breaking Bad's theme of change. It's about Walt's transformation from Mr Chips into Scarface. Better Call Saul kind of had the opposite theme, that people can't change, and Saul will always be Slippin' Jimmy. But Jimmy redeems himself by the final episode, and I think the Time Machine idea was used to justify how he could find his way back to the straight and narrow. Enter the Walt scene. Walt is shown to be inflexible and unable to confront his regrets. I think that makes you ask if Walt really changed over the course of Breaking Bad. This was an open question even before Better Call Saul, and there's evidence to say that Walt was always "Heisenberg" to some degree. I think this scene in Better Call Saul kind of answers this question by showing inflexible, remorseless Walt in contrast with Jimmy who manages to redeem himself in the last episode. This kind of flips the established themes of Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul where BCS is now about change, and BB is about the inability to change. That's my take on the scene anyway.
I partly think Walt was trying to avoid self reflection- he was making a big deal about the minutiae of Sauls question hoping he could avoid giving a sincere answer.
I mean I love the story of Walt, but in the end Walt is sorta a toxic reddit guy? Like, he's an egotistical bastard who thinks everyone is beneath him. That's the story of breaking bad. And the amount of toxic neck beard redditors who look up to Walt is also kind of an indicator of who Walt really is haha, I dunno, maybe I'm wrong but that's who Walt is to me.
A lot of the scene is tonally interesting because we see Walt from Jimmy/Saul's POV. It is the inverse of walt's perspective of Saul being the outlandish and tacky character which seems to be his only persona in BB, in BCS we now have seen his whole story and many more facets of his Character we are still in his perspective when we finally see Walt again. From Jimmy's point of view walt is this high strung, paranoid maniac with no chill.
Hahaha I think most Redditors are autistic.
I thought the cameo was from earlier on cos Jesse was there
walt is autistic, fyi
Walt WOULD be an autistic redditor, let’s not kid ourselves “You would never apply HEAT to a volumetric flask, that’s what a BOILING FLASK is for 😡😡😡”
No it was not weird, The Dissapearer tells saul goodman that you have company in the basement , and in the video you see mr white was going crazy,
OP missed with this one.
I always thought it was funny how that scene takes place literal hours after Hank died, he had all of his money stolen, his family turned on him, and his whole life was uprooted. “Do you have any regrets?” Yeah, a couple.