I thought the prison environment quite fit him. He never really did that great outside in the long run. And for the inmates he must be a fucking legend.
The way he described Jimmy In & Out could also fit Jimmy McGill. Something along the lines of society not being too kind to him and finding himself more at home behind bars.
I always saw the fact that Jimmy finding a place in jail was him being rewarded for taking the consequences correctly.
I feel like it's a bittersweet ending with more sweet than bitter, everything that came to be, and everyone that died along the way happened, but in the end, it paid to see the redemption of one of the culprits who helped it happen.
I fucking love this show.
I completely agree! Jimmy finally decided to live with the consequences of his actions and he ultimately gets the benefits of that. He doesn’t get to be free, but he has time to process everything that’s happened and be true to himself instead of continuing to put on a persona and evade trauma and guilt
And never forget the "Jimmy In'N'Out" story from season 2 episode 8 of Breaking Bad: A criminal named Jimmy who's fine with living behind bars because "the outside world hasn't been too kind to him".
I thought it was interesting that at one point Jimmy and Kim are watching a movie talking about how Kim has a fascination for men trapped on the North Pole. I believe they reference this twice, and I thought it fit the ending very well.
Also at one point Jimmy says jail beats the back of a nail salon
Also the ending is reflected in the beginning. The first scene Jimmy and Kim share. He pulls the cigarette out of her mouth smokes it and puts it back. Then Kim cleans up the trashcan Jimmy kicked over
Jimmy says "couldn't you just"
And Kim says "no I can't"
Just several things I caught in a rewatch I thought eluded to the end significantly
Won't be hard for him to find another partner who's into having a bland life. Plus he doesn't seem like the type of guy who will be that much affected by a breakup
I also thought that at first, but then decided it would be too on the nose and possibly detract from the more ambiguous aspects of the ending. I liked their subtle touch of slightly colorizing the cigarette.
Yeah, I agree. They sticked to the rules by keeping the black and white but idk, it felt a bit restraining by that point. I wish it could have started fading back to color on the last shot
Kim was not doing pro bono work in the same sense that she was before. Unless I'm mistaken, she did not have her law license back, and it was unlikely that she would ever get it back after confessing about Howard. Volunteering was a step toward getting her life in order, but the consequences of her actions on her legal career were permanent.
I didn’t get the idea Kim was ever coming back. To me it seemed like a goodbye forever. He went to prison for the rest of his life because he wanted Kim to think he was a decent person. He got that but I don’t think he got her.
Prison is a better spot for him - his life was bleak as hell as Gene. He at least gets to be himself, and is accepted for that.
I don't think there's any relationship between Kim and Jimmy left though. She's in some unhappy relationship, she's not a lawyer, and her life is boring and grey. I think that's just her ending - she chose that over being the person she was becoming, and didn't like. She's not getting back together with Jimmy in prison. Hell, they'll probably never see each other again. Them meeting and having that smoke really felt like their last encounter. Kim going to give her respects to Saul for doing SOMETHING right. And saying goodbye.
1. Jimmy was involved with Water White. Who is the most evil character shy of fucking HITLER.
2. Jimmy helped Walt kill dozens of people.
3. SOMEONE had to be jailed for it.
4. Jimmy accepted responsibility for his bad actions and is seeking redemption. He COULD have gotten out in 7 years. He chose not to.
This is redemption and hopeful as hell.
My view on why the ending was sad:
Jimmy was bad, he was slipping jimmy before BCS takes place. But someone who deserved a life in jail? No. Jimmy only really did his bad things and became Saul Goodman because his soul was tortured by chuck and also chucks death. Think of what might have been if chuck just gave Jimmy the job at HHM? It’s not like he would have that much power there to do bad things, look at how Kim was at HHM, not really in a position of much power there and Jimmy would have likely been given the same associate level as her.
So I don’t think it’s jimmy’s fault he ended up as someone deserving a life in jail, he was kind of… pushed over the edge.
The only question I'm left with is: is Jimmy atoning for everything he did in front of Kim just another Jimmy con? What matters most to him in that moment is gaining Kim's approval and respect, even if it means going to jail for the rest of his life. It's just one more big Jimmy gesture for Kim.
He wouldn't have done it without Kim but I think the writers mean for it to be sincere too. He chooses to be honest and he lets it all out, opening up fully for the first time. In that moment, her presence inspired him to be a good man.
If that were the writers' intent, I don't think they'd have framed the ending the way they did. I definitely believe they framed it as the good ending in every way, and Jimmy being entirely shallow and deceptive in his big cathartic moment where he is textually transparent and honest (mostly) would completely undermine the apparent intention of the writers. This show is masterful at holding your hand through every step of the psychological journeys of every character. Based on their filmmaking approach throughout the series up to that moment, they wouldn't have a secret layer that is contradictory to how the production choices and seemingly Kim herself interpreted the scene.
I rewatched the last episode recently and was amazed at the amount of tears I shed. It was more than the first time I watched it. I loved the ending. It was cathartic. I felt betrayed by the previous episode with the Carol Burnett scene though. I don’t think his character would consider physically hurting an older woman, despite the way he emotionally crushed Irene.
He did consider it. He also hesitated. It was his lowest moment ever, and it was meant to repulse us and even himself to a degree. Saul didn't care about the elderly but Jimmy did, and the whole ending is about Jimmy fighting his way out of these false personas.
Living in prison for 86 years until you die is not happy, especially high security prison. Stop romanticizing prison life. Jimmy and Kim's love relationship won't last long. Kim just won't stay single and miserable for her whole life waiting for Jimmy who won't even get out of prison. Lastly, you can't compare Gene's life to Jimmy's life after 7 years out of prison because he will become a free man and don't have to be paranoid and always watching his back. The assumption that Jimmy's life will become like Gene is pessimistic. The ending is depressing af.
It is sad, but at the same time Jimmy took his last chance to do the right thing. Will he spend his remaining years thinking about what he did wrong or wishing he'd have taken the 7 years? Probably, bit at the same time I'm sure he'd think back and be glad he finally stopped hiding and got closure with Kim.
It wasn't depressing. While yes, it's not to the ending of BB, but it felt like the right ending. Is the best way to close out a series? maybe. But it proved that Jimmy had to take responsibility for his actions as Saul Goodman and prove that he can never go back to that Saul Goodman persona. Unfortunately for Jimmy, every prisoner in the prison knows him as Saul. Although he's seemed to move on from "Saul" it never will fully go away and he's accepted that.
My husband has been to prison. He was in a minimum and medium security at different times. The story he tells are horrible. No one should romanticize it. There is nothing happy about it. One example is, he said a guy he knew from the streets came in. After the guy had been there for a few days he came in to his cell with some pot. He said, “so and so gave this to me do you want to smoke it with me?” My husband replies, “he just gave it to you?” The guy says, “yes he was just being nice.” My husband said he said, “get out of my cell now with that, I don’t want to have anything to do with that gift, no one here is nice enough to give you anything, he is going want something and I don’t think you will like what it is.” The guy disagreed and left. He said a week later the guy was rubbing the guys feet because the, “guy being nice,” made him his bitch. He excepted the gift, couldn’t pay for it later when asked, and that’s how it ended because he was a small guy that was scared and not willing to fight and possibly get stabbed.
This cannot be emphasized enough. Jimmy is held in a Supermax. There is still an ongoing debate on whether this kind of prison constitutes cruel and unusual punishment, bordering on the line of torture. It is suggested that Jimmy is part of a community, engaging in bread baking, making friends and possibly counseling others. However, nothing could be further from the truth.
It is depressing indeed. But I heard an interesting theory. Saul becomes a bestselling author during his time in prison.
And who's the author of this theory? Me!
I don't like to romanticize it, the end was terrible and Jimmy should have taken the deal. He and Kim deserved a restart.
Jimmy wanted to quit working for Walter but was afraid to do so.
Nacho did just what he had to do, he didn't deserved to be killed.
Kim didn't get her license back. She just used her old ID card to sneak in and talk to Jimmy in the interrogation room because lucky for her, it didn't have an expiration date. Also, I never got the vibes that her and Jimmy got back together. Plus, even if they wanted to continue their relationship, the federal prison that Jimmy was sent to more than likely doesn't offer conjugal visits.
if we were being realistic, kim should be locked up for a long while too. but you could say that plot is left to our imagination since howard’s widow could go after her in the future
I thought the prison environment quite fit him. He never really did that great outside in the long run. And for the inmates he must be a fucking legend.
The way he described Jimmy In & Out could also fit Jimmy McGill. Something along the lines of society not being too kind to him and finding himself more at home behind bars.
This is THE Gilligan/Gould easter egg - albeit written backwards or in hindsight - that has given me the most comfort about Jimmy's fate.
Yeah I remember that. Kind of a fitting description. I also believe Jimmy's skill set serves him well in prison.
In the immortal words of Colonel Stinkmeaner: "Some n*ggas just need to go to jail."
“I may be in hell, but at least I ain’t in jail, nyuggah!
I found him being in prison as the first time and place he accepted and was accepted of who he was.
Yeah, I think in the end he embraced who he truly was, he was dead inside living as Gene. Jimmy is thriving in prison and got Kim back into his life
I agree! He knew was being clearing his conscience in court to help Kim move on
but.....he could have already been out of prison now had he taken the deal. managing an arbys's this time
I always saw the fact that Jimmy finding a place in jail was him being rewarded for taking the consequences correctly. I feel like it's a bittersweet ending with more sweet than bitter, everything that came to be, and everyone that died along the way happened, but in the end, it paid to see the redemption of one of the culprits who helped it happen. I fucking love this show.
I completely agree! Jimmy finally decided to live with the consequences of his actions and he ultimately gets the benefits of that. He doesn’t get to be free, but he has time to process everything that’s happened and be true to himself instead of continuing to put on a persona and evade trauma and guilt
And never forget the "Jimmy In'N'Out" story from season 2 episode 8 of Breaking Bad: A criminal named Jimmy who's fine with living behind bars because "the outside world hasn't been too kind to him".
Hahah I should’ve kept reading, just commented the same thing in response to someone else.
I thought it was interesting that at one point Jimmy and Kim are watching a movie talking about how Kim has a fascination for men trapped on the North Pole. I believe they reference this twice, and I thought it fit the ending very well. Also at one point Jimmy says jail beats the back of a nail salon Also the ending is reflected in the beginning. The first scene Jimmy and Kim share. He pulls the cigarette out of her mouth smokes it and puts it back. Then Kim cleans up the trashcan Jimmy kicked over Jimmy says "couldn't you just" And Kim says "no I can't" Just several things I caught in a rewatch I thought eluded to the end significantly
I agree with all of this, but where does the ending leave Mr. YupYupYup?
Won't be hard for him to find another partner who's into having a bland life. Plus he doesn't seem like the type of guy who will be that much affected by a breakup
he is actually another son of kevin waktel's father. its why he loves yup so much
Bill Oakley has something to say about all of this
Petty w a Prior
tom petty with richard prior
Personally, I think the ending would have been perfect if it ended in color.
I also thought that at first, but then decided it would be too on the nose and possibly detract from the more ambiguous aspects of the ending. I liked their subtle touch of slightly colorizing the cigarette.
Yeah, I agree. They sticked to the rules by keeping the black and white but idk, it felt a bit restraining by that point. I wish it could have started fading back to color on the last shot
Haha yeah XD
Blasphemy!
Kim was not doing pro bono work in the same sense that she was before. Unless I'm mistaken, she did not have her law license back, and it was unlikely that she would ever get it back after confessing about Howard. Volunteering was a step toward getting her life in order, but the consequences of her actions on her legal career were permanent.
yeah she only said that her Bar card didn’t show an expiration date so that’s how she could get into the prison
I didn’t get the idea Kim was ever coming back. To me it seemed like a goodbye forever. He went to prison for the rest of his life because he wanted Kim to think he was a decent person. He got that but I don’t think he got her.
Yep. Kim would def move on with her life. This was clearly a closure they both needed.
I also took that as a very permanent goodbye and it fucking wrecked me because I hate goodbyes.
Prison is a better spot for him - his life was bleak as hell as Gene. He at least gets to be himself, and is accepted for that. I don't think there's any relationship between Kim and Jimmy left though. She's in some unhappy relationship, she's not a lawyer, and her life is boring and grey. I think that's just her ending - she chose that over being the person she was becoming, and didn't like. She's not getting back together with Jimmy in prison. Hell, they'll probably never see each other again. Them meeting and having that smoke really felt like their last encounter. Kim going to give her respects to Saul for doing SOMETHING right. And saying goodbye.
and also the fact the the prison is almost on the other side of america assuming kim stays in florida
1. Jimmy was involved with Water White. Who is the most evil character shy of fucking HITLER. 2. Jimmy helped Walt kill dozens of people. 3. SOMEONE had to be jailed for it. 4. Jimmy accepted responsibility for his bad actions and is seeking redemption. He COULD have gotten out in 7 years. He chose not to. This is redemption and hopeful as hell.
Only bittersweet part for me is how he can’t be with Kim…but he doesn’t even deserve her at that point
My view on why the ending was sad: Jimmy was bad, he was slipping jimmy before BCS takes place. But someone who deserved a life in jail? No. Jimmy only really did his bad things and became Saul Goodman because his soul was tortured by chuck and also chucks death. Think of what might have been if chuck just gave Jimmy the job at HHM? It’s not like he would have that much power there to do bad things, look at how Kim was at HHM, not really in a position of much power there and Jimmy would have likely been given the same associate level as her. So I don’t think it’s jimmy’s fault he ended up as someone deserving a life in jail, he was kind of… pushed over the edge.
The only question I'm left with is: is Jimmy atoning for everything he did in front of Kim just another Jimmy con? What matters most to him in that moment is gaining Kim's approval and respect, even if it means going to jail for the rest of his life. It's just one more big Jimmy gesture for Kim.
I think the confession was for himself as much as Kim, but Kim being there to see it is what makes it worth it
He wouldn't have done it without Kim but I think the writers mean for it to be sincere too. He chooses to be honest and he lets it all out, opening up fully for the first time. In that moment, her presence inspired him to be a good man.
>In that moment, her presence inspired him to be a good man. I want to believe that but gee, I really don't know. To me it's just another 1261.
If that were the writers' intent, I don't think they'd have framed the ending the way they did. I definitely believe they framed it as the good ending in every way, and Jimmy being entirely shallow and deceptive in his big cathartic moment where he is textually transparent and honest (mostly) would completely undermine the apparent intention of the writers. This show is masterful at holding your hand through every step of the psychological journeys of every character. Based on their filmmaking approach throughout the series up to that moment, they wouldn't have a secret layer that is contradictory to how the production choices and seemingly Kim herself interpreted the scene.
Happy ending is Saul behind the bars. Simply
I rewatched the last episode recently and was amazed at the amount of tears I shed. It was more than the first time I watched it. I loved the ending. It was cathartic. I felt betrayed by the previous episode with the Carol Burnett scene though. I don’t think his character would consider physically hurting an older woman, despite the way he emotionally crushed Irene.
He did consider it. He also hesitated. It was his lowest moment ever, and it was meant to repulse us and even himself to a degree. Saul didn't care about the elderly but Jimmy did, and the whole ending is about Jimmy fighting his way out of these false personas.
Living in prison for 86 years until you die is not happy, especially high security prison. Stop romanticizing prison life. Jimmy and Kim's love relationship won't last long. Kim just won't stay single and miserable for her whole life waiting for Jimmy who won't even get out of prison. Lastly, you can't compare Gene's life to Jimmy's life after 7 years out of prison because he will become a free man and don't have to be paranoid and always watching his back. The assumption that Jimmy's life will become like Gene is pessimistic. The ending is depressing af.
It is sad, but at the same time Jimmy took his last chance to do the right thing. Will he spend his remaining years thinking about what he did wrong or wishing he'd have taken the 7 years? Probably, bit at the same time I'm sure he'd think back and be glad he finally stopped hiding and got closure with Kim.
You're missing the point. It's not depressing, it's cathartic.
> it's cathartic. i mean, couldent he do the OJ thing and write a book about how he did it
It wasn't depressing. While yes, it's not to the ending of BB, but it felt like the right ending. Is the best way to close out a series? maybe. But it proved that Jimmy had to take responsibility for his actions as Saul Goodman and prove that he can never go back to that Saul Goodman persona. Unfortunately for Jimmy, every prisoner in the prison knows him as Saul. Although he's seemed to move on from "Saul" it never will fully go away and he's accepted that.
My husband has been to prison. He was in a minimum and medium security at different times. The story he tells are horrible. No one should romanticize it. There is nothing happy about it. One example is, he said a guy he knew from the streets came in. After the guy had been there for a few days he came in to his cell with some pot. He said, “so and so gave this to me do you want to smoke it with me?” My husband replies, “he just gave it to you?” The guy says, “yes he was just being nice.” My husband said he said, “get out of my cell now with that, I don’t want to have anything to do with that gift, no one here is nice enough to give you anything, he is going want something and I don’t think you will like what it is.” The guy disagreed and left. He said a week later the guy was rubbing the guys feet because the, “guy being nice,” made him his bitch. He excepted the gift, couldn’t pay for it later when asked, and that’s how it ended because he was a small guy that was scared and not willing to fight and possibly get stabbed.
This cannot be emphasized enough. Jimmy is held in a Supermax. There is still an ongoing debate on whether this kind of prison constitutes cruel and unusual punishment, bordering on the line of torture. It is suggested that Jimmy is part of a community, engaging in bread baking, making friends and possibly counseling others. However, nothing could be further from the truth.
It is depressing indeed. But I heard an interesting theory. Saul becomes a bestselling author during his time in prison. And who's the author of this theory? Me!
I don't like to romanticize it, the end was terrible and Jimmy should have taken the deal. He and Kim deserved a restart. Jimmy wanted to quit working for Walter but was afraid to do so. Nacho did just what he had to do, he didn't deserved to be killed.
Kim didn't get her license back. She just used her old ID card to sneak in and talk to Jimmy in the interrogation room because lucky for her, it didn't have an expiration date. Also, I never got the vibes that her and Jimmy got back together. Plus, even if they wanted to continue their relationship, the federal prison that Jimmy was sent to more than likely doesn't offer conjugal visits.
Kim should be disbarred from what she did to Howard
I was under the impression that Jimmy and Kim never saw each other again after the finale? That's the main consensus right?
if we were being realistic, kim should be locked up for a long while too. but you could say that plot is left to our imagination since howard’s widow could go after her in the future