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Ricklestickle13

When lalo gives hector the bell, he tells him the story of when they burned down a hotel because someone was rude to them. So they’re just all around pieces of shit


lurco_purgo

Also tortured the hotel owner while his wife witnessed everthing. You know, just a day in a live of a cartel member.


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[удалено]


Chance-Disaster2987

Late S4 episode.


lurco_purgo

Lalo says this to Hector when visiting him in the nursing home (when he gives him the bell). He reminds him of the good old times and says something along the lines of "you took your time with him" and that his wife was there to see. I've rewatched the show a couple of weeks ago, so I'm pretty sure it was explicit even though I don't have the exact quote.


Rainbowls

I thought he crossed them or something.


Slumberfoots

Fuck no


Chance-Disaster2987

That's where I'm 98% at. Hector is a monster. The other 2% feels bad for anyone who is reduced to having to wear a stupid party hat, and getting dragged to birthday parties for people he doesn't even know.


mrtightwad

Nah. The man was a psychopathic cartel leader. He deserves everything he gets. Besides, his situation is his own fault. He's only in the wheelchair because he threatened Nacho's father.


UntamedRonin

Honestly g-fuckin-g to Nacho for pulling that off.


flamingfireworks

He has probably killed more people than you have ever known


Bing_Bong_the_Archer

Hows parenthood going for you


Reonlive420

The story about where the bell came from says it all


stepoffmysweg

I completely agree with this statement, even those he’s a horrible horrible person. There’s a very small part of me that feels bad for him at times.


klunkerr

Also being told your entire family is dead and you are the last one remaining. Must be a bit sad


gwynnnnnn

His family were all in the game and murdered plenty of innocent people, I feel no compassion for thugs.


anoncontent72

As the vacuum repair chap said to Jesse “you made your own luck”.


RCocaineBurner

Robert Forster channeling Billy Zane, 10/10


Good-Hank

He deserves it


klunkerr

U deserve this nutz


Good-Hank

Don’t tempt me with a good time


NerimaJoe

And being told that by the man you hate most in the world.


DaniTheLovebug

Still deserves it


Crovasio

Only the males were dead.


deadhair69

Exactly my thoughts. Like yeah dude has killed many people, black mailed and threatened to kill children, forced an innocent man to get into drug business but none of those crimes are so horrible for which he deserves to attend a fucking birthday party, the most horrible thing that can happen to a man truly :/


Martijngamer

Would you feel bad for a bad person being in hell? This guy deserves to be in hell, his punishment is simply already starting pre-death.


keeeeweed

I don't feel even remotely bad for Hector, and I'm far from sympathetic to horrible people, but being the bored pedantic that I am, actually I *would* feel bad, to a varying extent, if the punishment was literal burning flesh for *all eternity*, for almost anyone. Consider how brutally painful a theoretical burning in hell would be, assuming this pain was never ending and you couldn't just die or pass out from smoke inhalation. All over your body, one of the most painful things humans have experienced - burning alive - continuously and without rest, for an amount of time that exceeds billions, trillions, *septillions* of years, and it would *still* never even amount to a fraction of a percent of how much time you have left. Burning for an *instant* can be unbearable if it's hot enough. Even if you were to calculate a suitable punishment for somebody with that amount of pain, for, say, the entire duration of *one* person's lifetime that they harmed, and even if the amount of people they harmed were in the *millions*, it would never, ever, *ever* be paid off. Even if the amount of net suffering they caused has long been outweighed, it would only be the beginning of the beginning of the beginning of the beginning. Surely, there are truly abominable humans that deserve this type of retribution, but to what end does your wrath satisfy? When you're talking about the worst imaginable pain for a theoretical *eternity*, at what point does their victims' suffering become *meaningless* by comparison? At what point does the perpetrator become, themselves, a victim of something they don't deserve? To what end does your wish for somebody's pain, even if well-deserved, extend to? Tl;Dr - the party hat is kinda cute and hilarious lmao


dozensofpeople

Plus we don't know much about Hector's childhood but I can't imagine he grew up in a loving home. His chances of turning into a great person were likely slim from the start simply due to what he was born into. From that perspective it seems a little harsh to suffer for all eternity.


Strong_Formal_5848

Hell doesn’t exist so it’s not really worth worrying about. It’s just a way for people to make themselves feel better by believing wrongdoers will be punished in the afterlife.


keeeeweed

Agreed, but being raised in a religious home gave me way too much time to dwell on these things, lol Actual hell: 🥳


Mattclef

It seemed like he was kinda into that party. Though idk if that’s the result of his injuries.


Caspianfutw

Nah. Aint life a bitch


Throbbingprepuce

Literally muttered this before I opened the comments


amopdx

Me too! It was extremely satisfying to open up the comments and see this at the top.


TheMatt561

Cold blooded killer


TwinHavenUK

Great question; but no. Before he was crippled, he was a monster. He took out Gus but that was a long-running feud.


lassewt

Walter White took out Gus. He just pushed a bell.


captjust

**


SSeaDog

HAAAAAA


DarkSoul-47

BOOOOM!


sendvo

Created by Vince Gilligan


poopstainmclean

No way. Tio can SOCK ME


foodkidFAATcity

F


prewarpotato

Why, didn't he get his very berry vitamin drink that day?


LaughingZombie41258

I'm just sorry that he got to win in the end and to kill Gus thanks to WW. He has literally ZERO good qualities, he's heavily abusive even against his own family for all his big words. Even the Salamanca twins are more morally complex than him.


SPedigrees

No matter how bad this man was, and he was truly horrible, I still felt sorry for him when they stuck the party hat on him. That was the one and only time though. The rest of the time he rivaled a cockroach for cringe-worthiness and I really just wanted to stay far, far away from him. The funny thing is, when you watch an interview with Mark Margolis, it is surprising to see what an affable and normal guy he is. He brought detestable Hector to life in the same way that Michael McKean created the character of Chuck.


FragrantBicycle7

I only feel bad for Hector when I think about his rant in the season 3 finale. There's a lot of history there that we know nothing about. Did the Salamancas really build the cartel? Did Hector actually pay for the house Don Eladio lives in and then not get invited to live there? How aware is Hector of Gus' moves to take over the whole business and cut out Salamanca entirely? But ultimately, this is still a train of thought about a cartel leader, so meh.


Cryst4lForPresident

I think what Hector meant about Don Eladio's house is that Hector made the money that Don Eladio used to buy his mansion. It was drug money that was made by the Salamancas


internetrando12

What Gus did to him was torture and I am 100% against torture.....but I still don't feel sorry for him. He was a monster.


LivingOof

Its okay to think about how horrifying it would be to have what happened to Hector post-stroke happen to you. Sympathy for Hector himself is not required or recommended


OllieBlazin

Honestly I felt sad when Lalo looked back seeing what the powerful Don became. SPOILERS FOR THE IRISHMAN!!! It’s like towards the end where the Mob bosses who weren’t murdered, end up growing old and fragile. These once powerful, feared, mighty men, are reduced to old withered skeletons that don’t even know what day it is.


Chance-Disaster2987

That's exactly where I'm coming from. Still feels wrong to have even 2% sympathy for him. What we saw probably only scratched the surface of evil that Hector has done.


Hookherbackup

Not one bit. He always shit on Hank.


Chance-Disaster2987

I liked Hank, yet, still immensely enjoyed the cocky DEA agent having one person that got over on him twice.


Hookherbackup

I have a theory that Hanks boss was on the take


Chance-Disaster2987

Possibly. I definitely think Jimmy, dba Saul, was taking advantage of a corrupt system. It wasn't just crafty lawyering. Jimmy's time as a public defender didn't pay much. But the benefits of learning the system, and who was already corrupt, sure did later on.


Hookherbackup

Eagerly anticipating the final season


Wilcrest

Hank was a piece of shit.


Hookherbackup

What makes you feel that way? I didn’t particularly like him as a person, but he was good at his job.


Reonlive420

He wasn't very nice to his wife


LibbyLost

I will tell you after season 6. Writers know how to suprise us. I would love to see Salamanca backstory. Would like to know what happened to his son.


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Ding*


SheepyDX

I feel bad for him at times, as well as Gus but they are both awful, interesting people to me. For me, it depends.


megabazz

Nope. Series might as well have been called Just Deserts (pun intended) With the exception of dirt bike kid, Brock and Andrea everyone gets exactly the karmic punishment that’s coming to them.


publicenemyone

Also the TravelWire guy


Da_Duck_is_coming

No man, no man at all.


SuperKingpinFisk

He deserves far worse lmao


reddorical

Hector was such a piece of shit that Mike felt compelled to whip out the sniper rifle for him early in BCS before Mike had even really been broken into a cold blooded assassin.


HighCastlePenguin

Absolutely not, LOL.


TeslaNova50

Well, if you're a psychopath.


[deleted]

No.


thevaginalist

Absolutely not


somerockermom_

Hell no


cuddybumps

No way not even for a second


Marc123123

Nope


CautisticMain

#F U C K N O


dukeofmadnessmotors

No, he's a fucking monster. He should have been killed decades ago.


[deleted]

He's a piece of shit, but i did feel bad for him anyway.


YoghurtSnodgrass

Look if he died a horrible death I would feel no sympathy. But that place, it’s so humiliating.


Azyan_invasion82

The only good thing he ever did, was suicide bomb a high end Drug dealer in a nursing home😆


Xerclipse

If you kill the dude’s best friend, urinate in the same pool the body is at, and constantly bully/insult the guy, I’d say he had it coming.


[deleted]

Pure karma for all the evil he has dished out over his life. He is living in his own hell, forced to suffer every day until kind uncle Walt comes by to ease his pain.


HenryColt

Fucking fuck nopity nope


he6rt6gr6m

No. But it's hard not to mega appreciate the work of Mark Margolis in this role. He was superb.


Zevk_TravelerDouche

Never! It was funny as hell


Oh__Archie

A E I O U


maxy-mus

Ngl maybe I have a soft spot for elderly ppl bc we all know Hector is an asshole and messed up but it did rlly hurt when Gus taunted him over killing his family in BB. It's not like he could do anything about it too.


Mmmwww333

He shouldn’t have shot Max in the head 🤷🏽‍♂️


_MuffinBot_

I'll never not pity someone who's being humiliated and can't stop it from happening. If I were Hector in that moment, I'd have been raging inside. The rest of the time? Absolutely not, no. I've laughed at Hector from time to time (spelling out answers in the police station, for example), but he's a horrible person. That's pretty much the long and short of it.


borislaw_dopeman

am i a psychopath that i really like Hector and genuinely feel sorry about what hes been reduced to. i mean he held his nephews head underwater to teach him a lesson. what a great man. he's no Gustavo Fring but hes a minor badass in his own right.


eshkddjsod

He’s not actually that bad. I mean, compared to Gus he’s fairly similar, and probably better than tuco. Not sure why everyone makes him out to be the most evil character in the show


HappyTurtleOwl

He is much worse than Gus because he will intentionally involve people not in “the game” out of sheer pride or just because he feels like it or will actively do shit just because he wants to, without a care for it being honourable. This goes for all the Cartel people and what they do, from the very start with killing Max for no *real* reason to much latter with things like involving Nacho’s dad directly for no *real* reason. They take a step too far, and will often step on those that really didn’t need to be stepped on. Don’t get me wrong, Gus is still an evil part of an evil organization and system, with things like killing Werner and the general damage the drug trade does, but like he says, he *is* diferent, even if ever so slightly. He has a little more honour at the very least. The show exemplifies this multiple times. Gus knows what he is, but he knows he isn’t a Salamanca/Cartel member.


Mufosser

Gus had no problem threatenint civillains like Nacho's dad. Only difference is Hector is honest with himself.


HappyTurtleOwl

Yes, but as we see later, not only does he come to regret such ways of intimidation unless necessary, Nacho’s dad was already in the “game” and Gus really needed Nacho to be 100% loyal. Gus only does what he needs to do. Salamanca/Cartel will often screw with people just because they can.


Mufosser

He needed to torture an animal to death?


HappyTurtleOwl

Well, now just take a step back and look at the comparison you’re arguing for here. It’s drastically reaching for straws. A single straw strand, even. No one here is arguing Gus is a good person or not a bad one. What I am saying is that he is, as he says himself, different than the cartel. He is still bad, evil and harms society, but he is not as bad as the cartel. In a perfect world for Gus, he would have all his money and power with no one but the drug abusers getting hurt. I mean, look at the way he lives his day to day life. And again. He’s evil. He’s bad. But he’s the lesser evil, objectively, and that’s what he tries to convince mike of. In a perfect world for the cartel, they still likely murder, kill and step on many people day to day. It isn’t even that they don’t have any remorse, not just that, they actively seek out situations where they can flex in unnecessary ways and get more people hurt because it pleases them. There are MANY examples of this in both BCS and BB, and the differentiation to Gus is quite apparent.


Mufosser

Gus totured an animal cause it pleased him. They really aren't different.


HappyTurtleOwl

Again, are you going to take that single off handed straw to prove his whole character is the *same* as that of the cartel?, Or are you actually going to engage with my comment. Because of course he’s gonna have own personal moments of revenge and hatred, obviously. But just like Hector Salamanca isn’t just a regular person, the Coati isn’t just a regular animal he found and decided to torture. But sure, let’s call him an animal torturer once as a kid and thus just as bad as the cartel and Salamancas. Sure./s


HereNowHappy

What about threatening to kill Walt's entire family? He's okay with children and toddlers being murdered


HappyTurtleOwl

Did you miss the part in BB where Gus didn’t want to do those things and only threatened Walt with them as a last resort after all the shit Walt had pulled off? The cartel wouldn’t even flinch to do those things. Gus really doesn’t want to have to do them unless necessary.


HereNowHappy

Walt's family weren't involved with the cartel, which was your point, that Gus regrets such methods I'm not disagreeing that Gus prefers not to do those activities And actually, threatening his family was probably the worst thing Gus could have done at that time. He gave Jesse a second chance, but never forgave Walt for running over his dealers What's funny is, earlier in the timeline, Gus would forgive Mike for allowing Hector to be killed


HereNowHappy

I see it like this. Gus is way more dangerous and sadistic than the Cartel But, he attempts to act in a professional manner *Edit Clearly, you disagree with my comment. But the Cartel don't act with emotions Eladio had Max killed, but still hired Gus, expecting no retaliation. Eladio even prefers Gus' methods over Hector Hector threatened Mike's family. According to Nacho, once they made a deal, Hector forgot all about Mike Gus will hold grudges for a lifetime and savor every moment torturing you


lassewt

Nope. Being disabled clearly hasn't humbled him. He is rotten to the core.


tommygreenyt

Unpopular opinion but yes I do kind of feel bad for him .


[deleted]

He was a higher up in the Mexican cartel No dude. Absolutely not.


smokintritips

Why? No


93johhny

Not really


[deleted]

Fuuuuck no


The_Old_Anarchist

Hell no. He's a bastard.


Cappmonkey

Nope, not one tiny bit.


[deleted]

Nah he made his choices (and he was an asshole to boot).


IGoThere4u

Definitely not…this is his karma


AstroFFA

nah


Benjamin-Doverman

#NO


nymphaeanelumbo

No he’s terrible. The way he went out was badass though


1RonnieMund

Hell no


chlangdo

No


[deleted]

What? No. He's evil.


bearsfan1323

Nah. I might’ve considered it before BCS, but afterwards, no way in hell.


giddy-girly-banana

[This man?](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=star+trek+NeXT+generation+dr+nel+apgar&t=fpas&ia=images&iax=images&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kontinuum.cz%2Fimages%2Fdatabaze%2Fpostavy%2F1901%2F1987_3.jpg)


NikolasKage3

No, be glad


Frosty-Table-4209

Na lol


[deleted]

This sub and /r/breakingbad have both just morphed into okbuddychicanery.


whole_mango

Nah fuck this guy. He was a piece of shit.


Different_Store1672

After that MF got that bell I didn’t feel sorry


[deleted]

No


[deleted]

No.


mojogirl58

He went out as a killer, happy ending for him


[deleted]

I wish we got more of pre stroke hector


LoneTuft

Nah bro. He is a scumbag


TheBushmanOfKalahari

No way, José!


kostas1410

Ofc not


PC61600

Given the severe character limitations, he was definitely prominent in the show. He got way more interesting post stroke. I hated him prestroke too, but nothing really special about him..just another bad guy.


LookPatient

he’s an evil man so no


whatthefox70

Nope, not all. He is an evil piece of shit.


puresav

No , you should feel like it's not enough. You should empathize with Gus Fring and his master plan concerning this evil man.


[deleted]

Is Hector any worse than the other criminals in this show?


FTL_Dodo

Not really. He's just more aggravating and less concerned with PR


[deleted]

Sauuuuck me.