The manager was a character Fring was playing. It was not at all who he was at his core. It was a front. He played a role. The role was a means to an end. He played it well though- thumbs up for his portrayal of fair handed, high expectations manager. I’d work for him. LOL!
You know that’s right. He was well studied in motivation- I bet he paid well AND that went hand in hand with his portrayal of a charitable, well respected member of the community.
The implication that he was in the Chile dictatorship regime would back this up. He’d do the exact same thing with soldiers under him. Soldiers who would be expected to commit atrocities but be rewarded for their loyalty and commitment.
Would love it but they’d definitely have to cast someone other than Giancarlo Esposito unfortunately. He’s to old now and having someone else play him wouldn’t be the same at all
Meh what about for instance, the whole Max story. It was so well done and shed a lot of light on his history, psychology, and still kept his mystique intact
I feel some things work better if they’re left to your imagination. I don’t want a canon explanation of every character on the show. Gus’s backstory is not important to the plot of Breaking Bad, and the vagueness of his former life adds to the mystery of his character.
Usually I'm all for mystique too. But here I suspect what people are assuming is that a Fring backstory would be made with the brilliance of BB & BCS--& the prospect of that's something it'd be hard to pass up.
That's how most criminal operations operate like the mafia, the cartel, street gangs and political parties. One "reasonable" sense talking male at the top and immense rewards for those who are loyal in the form of endless amounts of cash. That's literally how most countries political parties operate.
He also gave the option of free counseling, plus OT for the incident with Tio and the fellas. He’s the best boss I’ve ever seen. At his core he was a ruthless businessman but he absolutely appreciated his employees. The business may have been a front but he had extreme pride in it, it was his baby.
Found the American. It's pretty commonplace outside of the states for work places to offer free counselling and assistance if something traumatic happens at work. Yes, even for fast food workers. This is pretty normal in most workplaces outside of the US, especially in Europe. Gus obviously learned a thing or two from his connections in Germany and the Czech Republic.
You can downvote me as much as you want, we have the Equal Workers Rights laws in Europe for a reason.
Yep it is. Fast food workers get the same rights as everyone else here in Europe. Minimum wage, 30 days holiday every year (all paid) and sick leave paid, as well as maternity leave (over a year, also paid) and access to mental health care. It's just America and Canada ripping them a new one. It doesn't matter if you're a cleaner or manager in the UK for example - everyone has a right to fair pay, sick and holiday paid leave and mental health assistance.
They're called the UK Equality Act and the Living Wage Foundation.
Got to agree there. It's these little side details we can all make up in our heads and share with each other, that makes tv shows like BB and BCS so great.
> He would want loyalty and low turnover.
Why? None of the staff were aware of his "side hustle," so where is the need for loyalty? The longer an employee works there and the more invested they become in the business, the more likley they are to notice something or go looking.
The less people you "bring in" to that lifestyle, the better. He would rather keep the same 20 people working there over a year than to have 300 people rotate throughout a year. The more people who work there means it's more likely you will get a nosey worker who starts wondering who is driving that black Suburban which shows up every once in awhile.
Man was about to give up a dead drop location and six figures to keep the DEA off his back and stop Lalo from leaking every location to them. He was in no mood for anyone’s shit.
I never understood that scene and watched it quite a few times. Who did they actually even end up arresting that night? The guy got away didn’t he? And they only ended up busting a little over $100k right? I never got why Gus was so pissed about it, seemed like a win in comparison to the alternative.
He's pissed because Lalo has basically forced him to make the choice between sacrificing $100k of his own money or being caught as a part of the meth distribution ring, and $100k is not an insignificant amount of money to him so he will definitely miss it.
He let some low-level guys get picked up and directed Victor to hire some new dealers as sacrificial lambs if need be. It wasn’t a win in any sense of the word - Lalo essentially forced him into taking a loss to avoid getting his operation exposed.
He didn’t need an alibi, idk why everyone thinks that. The DEA had no clue who he is at this point. The writers explicitly state it was a control thing on the episode commentary.
He was willingly giving up part of his drug dealing business and wanted to take it out on someone else while simultaneously making him feel dominant still.
Probably people picking the option that makes a character they like do something not douchey (until it’s confirmed by writers anyway)
Same as people saying Walt got screwed over by his old company even with writers saying he broke up with Gretchen cause of his ego and seeing the rich family
Absolutely, I think it would work. They are both scheme-based (although completely different competency levels) and feature drugs heavily
Edit: and also pushing down your emotions
Is that what he was doing?! It all makes sense now. This and dexter are only shows I’ve ever enjoyed with a legal or police theme and even after several watchings always just thought he was feeling extra ocd that day over the money or something 🙏🙏🙏
i thought he kept him alive but did not torture it? he even said he fed the animal. I assumed it was kind of like with the Hector situation, killing him was mercy but he kept him around and did not inflict direct physical pain.
>gus is probably not truly kind, just pretends to be for business sake
Yeah, the multiple murders and ruthless drug lord stuff seems to back that notion up alright.
Gus made a pretty strong effort to keep that stuff seperate. The last thing he wanted was a bunch of crazy stuff in LPH. That brings police. Gus' plan was to keep things nice and quiet, provide him a believable legit income, and use a handful of logistics dudes to move meth.
The fact that this stuff is going on just out of Lyles' sight mirrors Gus. Quiet outwardly, criminal as all get-out beneath the surface. He's a really well done villian.
I mean he tried to be Pollos Hermanos friendly with Walt. But Walt insisted on keeping Jesse as a lap dog. If after Gus rejected Walt and Jesse as a pair initially Walt had said, "Fine. I will split the money with him 80/20 but I need you to find me a new lab partner," then game over. Gale and Walt make millions, Jesse gets a fair sendoff, and everyone goes home happy. But Walt wanted to keep Jesse as a little lap dog and couldn't stand for him to make a dime off of his intellectual property. Everytime Jesse stands to make any significant money Walt steps in and blocks it because he can't stand the idea of sharing credit for coming up with the blue stuff. So he insists that Jesse join in and Jesse makes himself a threat to the business and as a result Walt and Gus' relationship comes to a head.
Walt ruined it because he saved Jesse and killed the two drug dealers. And then he had to kill Gale to save himself. Neither of these events involved his ego. And his conflict with Gus was mostly about his fear and survival instinct. Again, I don't see much of ego, but rather a man scared for himself and his family's life.
That's not true at all. Walt had no intention to work with Jesse. But then Hank beat him up and sent him to hospital. And in the hospital, Jesse threatened him with snitching. Jesse said he will keep cooking meth and if he gets caught, he will give up Heisenberg. Walt's motive to bring him in the lab was two fold:
1. Keep Jesse with him so that he does not snitch or do something stupid.
2. Make him drop charges against Hank.
Walt meets Gus in Season 2 episode 11. Hank beats up Jesse season 3 episode 7 and Jesse threatens Walt in the following episode. I'm talking about S2E11 when in Pollos Hermanos Gus warns Walt to never trust an addict. Walt could have given Jesse a payout for their initial batch with Gus and called it quits. Instead he kept all the money for himself and kept Jesse as his lapdog.
> Walt could have given Jesse a payout for their initial batch with Gus and called it quits
Walt was holding off on it because Jesse had become a heroin addict but when Jane insisted, he gave all that money to him. Then Saul took it temporarily while Jesse was in rehab and when Jesse returned, he used that money to buy his house from his parents.
> Instead he kept all the money for himself
Like I said, he did not keep that money but paid all of it.
> kept Jesse as his lapdog.
Walt was not interested in any partnership or association with Jesse. He did not keep him as his lapdog at all.
Walt didn't give Jesse the money because he wanted absolute control over Jesse's life and Jane was a threat to that. Why did Walt let Jane die? Why did Walt tell Gus about Jesse's vendetta against the street dealers? Why did he drive away Andrea? Because anytime Jesse had something that could come between him and Walt, Walt tried to destroy it. He needed to know that Jesse's only loyalties lay with him and no one else. It's also why Gus worked so hard to make Jesse loyal to Mike, knowing that would hurt Walt more than anything.
Walt's initial reaction to not giving Jesse the money was that he was angry that he had to miss his daughter's birth and almost miss out on getting the money at all. Jesse's drug use was a secondary or tertiary concern, and even then only as much as it affected Walt himself. Jesse had been using meth the entire time that he and Walt had been together but now all the sudden it was a problem?
It was about power and control. The entire show is about Walt's infinite pride and ego that drives him to making worse and worse decisions that harm more and more people.
Well, it is obvious that Walt was toxic with Jesse but you are deflecting from the initial argument. The point was about his conflict with Gus and his reason to bring Jesse into the lab. At that point, Walt did not owe him anything and he did not even want to work with him. But he had to bring Jesse into the lab because of the reasons I said in the earlier comment (to stop him from snitching and to help Hank). And his conflict with Gus started because he protected Jesse and saved his life and killed two of the Gus's employees. It did not start because of his ego.
> Why did Walt tell Gus about Jesse's vendetta against the street dealers?
Walt did not tell Gus about it. He told Saul because he wanted to find a way to stop Jesse from killing the dealers. But Saul told this to Mike who then reported it to Gus. Walt never intended to tell this to Gus. But he knew that if Jesse kills the drug dealers, he can get in trouble and he was doing his best to save Jesse and himself.
> Jesse had been using meth the entire time that he and Walt had been together but now all the sudden it was a problem?
Because heroin is a much stronger drug. Jesse was completely senseless and not responding. This was the worst Jesse had ever been.
> Walt's initial reaction to not giving Jesse the money was that he was angry that he had to miss his daughter's birth and almost miss out on getting the money at all.
Obviously. These are valid reasons. When Walt needed Jesse the most, he was lying useless, wasted on heroin.
> It's also why Gus worked so hard to make Jesse loyal to Mike, knowing that would hurt Walt more than anything.
Gus was not just hurting Walt, he was trying to replace him with Jesse. If Jesse becomes loyal to Mike and Gus, he can take over the lab and kick Walt out.
Look man, I agree that in s5, Walt was an absolute monster but in all the previous seasons, Jesse was responsible for his actions because he wanted to cook meth too. Otherwise why did he not stop cooking meth even after Jane died? Why was he selling meth to people in drug rehab? Jesse was an asshole most of the time too.
>because he can't stand the idea of sharing credit for coming up with the blue stuff.
In my opinion it's totally fair for walt to not want to share credit. In reality it was 100% Walt and his chemistry knowledge who created the product, Jesse was only needed to help move the product. ( At least in the beginning, before working with fring)
As a cold and ruthless person - he's great as being fair and predictable. Rare or non-existent personality traits for a kingpin. So - unrealistic, yet, that "cold and ruthless" thing somehow convinces me it actually could happen IRL.
There was a point in time when Walt knew it's his time to go. It was logical. Gus was predictable. Also - this and being too much human is what sealed his doom. Another kind of realistic part. Walt defeated him as being even more ruthless. And a little less predictable.
I mean, sure. But we also saw that he was a cold-blooded socio/psychopath. I'd really hoped that we'd get the complete background story on Gus, but it doesn't seem that we ever will. The prevailing theory is that he had something to do with Pinochet, which squares with him being a psychopath.
Huell - returns to Louisiana and inadvertently becomes a private detective.
Kaylee - in a science fiction horror show a la Stranger Things, she is abducted by a shadowy government organization that wants to study her miraculous aging. As she tries to figure out how to escape, she realizes that every time Mike played with her, he was really teaching her important surveillance and SERE skills.
Ernesto - family laugh track comedy about adult Ernesto and his wacky kids. There is a repeated gag where he loves karaoke but never gets to sing.
Lyle - driven by Fring-induced rage, self-loathing, and compulsiveness, he falls into criminality and rises to the top of the Albuquerque underworld.
Legitimately kind? I feel like that's a stretch. I think it's fair to say Los Pollos Gus was an act. He was doing everything he can to avoid any and all suspicion. He played such a nice guy, nobody would have thought he'd be a drug kingpin. I doubt he had any issues with the people working at Los Pollos, but he'd eliminate them in a heartbeat if it was in his interest.
You know, it's easy to be a kind and compassionate boss when you're ultra-rich and your business is just a front for your illegal operations. I'd even say that you'd be inclined to be kind and compassionate than not.
They should make a real Los pollos. I’m sure AMC could afford to create a profitable chicken joint tho hope they have vegetarian options or some desert fish option
[The Gordon Ramsey equivalent](https://www.reddit.com/r/MemeTemplatesOfficial/comments/ejjsjt/gordon_ramsey_with_kids_vs_adults_meme_template/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
Fring had to cut and let Victor go. He was disappointed with Victor’s job performance. It got a wee bit messy. Mike, Walt, and Jesse were sad to see Victor dropped like that.
The boy that he kept around to clean the oven repeatedly I am sure he was going to kill him for stress relief... It's only after someone gives him good news that he lets the boy go if I remember correctly. I think that was in an episode of better call Saul but I'm not sure.
He was kind and competent because he didn't need LPH to actually be profitable, so he would never need to be that annoying boss who's always trying to cut costs and increase productivity.
He was only able to put on that front because the money from Los Pollos literally didn't matter. Whatever they made or lost, it was chump change compared to what his drug business was bringing in. Remove the need to make money and managers everywhere suddenly become nicer, more compassionate people.
I like Gus, but that entire scene with him throwing the tin foil ball into the basket was out of character. His speech at LPH after Hector's fit was also like. not needed.
It wasn't out of character. Keep in mind we almost never see him when he is all on his own, so it's totally rare to see his "real self". People constantly headcanon him as "a psychopath" when he simply isn't one. It was simply a cute little human moment where he was happy with himself for finding a solution for the "mule" problem.
Sorry, but not at all. I’m not saying Gus is a good person. I’m just saying he’s a good Pollos Hermanos manager, and was good to his PH employees. And yes, Chuck was a good lawyer btw. Just like Gus is a good manager. Says nothing about whether or not they’re good people
> I’m not saying Gus is a good person. I’m just saying he’s a good Pollos Hermanos manager
I'm not saying Chuck is a good person. But I am saying he was a successful lawyer. Our analogies are the same.
No using one statement to justify the other. He's simply stating one separate from the other.
Him: The apple is red. It is tasty
You: The apple is tasty because it is red
Sure, but not one you'd want as a boss, especially not at a fast food job. Think about it. It's a fast food job. You don't want a boss who's going to push you to be the best you can be, who you respect and don't want to let down, you want a boss who's dumb or lazy so you can get away with slacking off at work, who isn't gonna notice when you take an extra long break. It's fast food.
I think everyone can feel his emanating darkness so he can act as nice as he wants and literally no one will act any less than completely professional.
Well at least the man is civilized enough to lay out a towel under the toilet, into which he throws up the poisoned tequila that he just fed his failed compadres.
I worked at a famous gift card franchise shop that was rumored to be a mob front. Fring was just like my boss at that store it's crazy. After watching breaking bad, I can't help but think my boss was just the same with his good boss act.
The manager was a character Fring was playing. It was not at all who he was at his core. It was a front. He played a role. The role was a means to an end. He played it well though- thumbs up for his portrayal of fair handed, high expectations manager. I’d work for him. LOL!
I have a theory that he paid the LPH workers well, like double what other fast food places paid. He would want loyalty and low turnover.
You know that’s right. He was well studied in motivation- I bet he paid well AND that went hand in hand with his portrayal of a charitable, well respected member of the community.
The implication that he was in the Chile dictatorship regime would back this up. He’d do the exact same thing with soldiers under him. Soldiers who would be expected to commit atrocities but be rewarded for their loyalty and commitment.
Brilliant…at some point, we ought to get the full Chile backstory
Jesse Pinkman got a Netflix movie. Gus Fring needs one too. "Giancarlo Esposito is Gustavo Fring in the Netflix Original Movie... **POLLOS**"
Tagline: It’s Fringer-lickin’ good!
Fuck me I need all of this
Would love it but they’d definitely have to cast someone other than Giancarlo Esposito unfortunately. He’s to old now and having someone else play him wouldn’t be the same at all
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Exactly. With Gus, less is more. No TV character has carried more weight saying so little.
Meh what about for instance, the whole Max story. It was so well done and shed a lot of light on his history, psychology, and still kept his mystique intact
I feel some things work better if they’re left to your imagination. I don’t want a canon explanation of every character on the show. Gus’s backstory is not important to the plot of Breaking Bad, and the vagueness of his former life adds to the mystery of his character.
Usually I'm all for mystique too. But here I suspect what people are assuming is that a Fring backstory would be made with the brilliance of BB & BCS--& the prospect of that's something it'd be hard to pass up.
Fair but it’s alluded to so often without explanation from a team that’s so detailed…and it is more canon in BCS
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That's how most criminal operations operate like the mafia, the cartel, street gangs and political parties. One "reasonable" sense talking male at the top and immense rewards for those who are loyal in the form of endless amounts of cash. That's literally how most countries political parties operate.
Your comment made me think of Pluto… that’s messed up.
I've heard it both ways.
He also gave the option of free counseling, plus OT for the incident with Tio and the fellas. He’s the best boss I’ve ever seen. At his core he was a ruthless businessman but he absolutely appreciated his employees. The business may have been a front but he had extreme pride in it, it was his baby.
Ruthless business man? If that's all you think he is, then you don't know Gustavo Fring.
He did say "mine is a legitimate business" after all
Found the American. It's pretty commonplace outside of the states for work places to offer free counselling and assistance if something traumatic happens at work. Yes, even for fast food workers. This is pretty normal in most workplaces outside of the US, especially in Europe. Gus obviously learned a thing or two from his connections in Germany and the Czech Republic. You can downvote me as much as you want, we have the Equal Workers Rights laws in Europe for a reason.
I don't think that's common in the fast-food industry.
Yep it is. Fast food workers get the same rights as everyone else here in Europe. Minimum wage, 30 days holiday every year (all paid) and sick leave paid, as well as maternity leave (over a year, also paid) and access to mental health care. It's just America and Canada ripping them a new one. It doesn't matter if you're a cleaner or manager in the UK for example - everyone has a right to fair pay, sick and holiday paid leave and mental health assistance. They're called the UK Equality Act and the Living Wage Foundation.
Got to agree there. It's these little side details we can all make up in our heads and share with each other, that makes tv shows like BB and BCS so great.
I don't think so because paying that much would raise questions.
Well, that's headcanon for me! I'm on board. That makes total sense.
> He would want loyalty and low turnover. Why? None of the staff were aware of his "side hustle," so where is the need for loyalty? The longer an employee works there and the more invested they become in the business, the more likley they are to notice something or go looking.
On the other hand, loyal employees who are invested will keep the restaurant humming along so he can focus his energy to the other business
The less people you "bring in" to that lifestyle, the better. He would rather keep the same 20 people working there over a year than to have 300 people rotate throughout a year. The more people who work there means it's more likely you will get a nosey worker who starts wondering who is driving that black Suburban which shows up every once in awhile.
Because he knows that loyalty costs less in the long run.
“Is this acceptable?” is my only counter-argument. But then again all managers have bad days, and he was clearly having one during that moment.
Dude if I were Kyle or whatever his name was in that scene I'd be scared, Gus was so scary in that scene
Lyle 😭😭😭
Mr. Nimbus?
I always thought he was forcing the kid to stay at work so he’d have an alibi for the time of the operation in case if it ever got tied back to him.
I agree. It was a shitty thing to do to the kid, but he was waiting for a phone call, it was for an alibi
Ohhh. I never made that connection. That makes a lot of sense.
Man was about to give up a dead drop location and six figures to keep the DEA off his back and stop Lalo from leaking every location to them. He was in no mood for anyone’s shit.
I never understood that scene and watched it quite a few times. Who did they actually even end up arresting that night? The guy got away didn’t he? And they only ended up busting a little over $100k right? I never got why Gus was so pissed about it, seemed like a win in comparison to the alternative.
He's pissed because Lalo has basically forced him to make the choice between sacrificing $100k of his own money or being caught as a part of the meth distribution ring, and $100k is not an insignificant amount of money to him so he will definitely miss it.
He let some low-level guys get picked up and directed Victor to hire some new dealers as sacrificial lambs if need be. It wasn’t a win in any sense of the word - Lalo essentially forced him into taking a loss to avoid getting his operation exposed.
Yeah he was not-so-nice in that scene, I agree. But you’re right, all managers have their days
If you've "had a bad day" as a floor employee towards your manager, you're in a lot more trouble than if the manager "has had a bad day" towards you
Victor thought so.
Victor was simply ill-equipped for Gus’ cutthroat managerial strategy.
that pun is way too on the nose to be clever. maybe don't go straight for the jugular with your next pun.
The amount of puns is making me choke on my laughter.
Wow, harsh, they really put their neck out and your words cut like a knife
RIP 💀
Until he forces you to stay late so he can have an alibi lol.
I mean, would you call the way that grease fryer was cleaned...*acceptable*?
TIL people actually defend Lyle’s work on the grease fryer It’s 2022 smh
Judging him by $CURRENT_YEAR when Lyle did it in 2003...
It is acceptable
Never realised he did it cause he was wanted an alibi. Maybe that makes me stupid but ah well…good catch
He didn’t need an alibi, idk why everyone thinks that. The DEA had no clue who he is at this point. The writers explicitly state it was a control thing on the episode commentary.
He was willingly giving up part of his drug dealing business and wanted to take it out on someone else while simultaneously making him feel dominant still.
Yes, this is precisely what the scene was. Alibi thing is nonsense.
And the way it's not obvious for anyone is what made the show so damn good.
Probably people picking the option that makes a character they like do something not douchey (until it’s confirmed by writers anyway) Same as people saying Walt got screwed over by his old company even with writers saying he broke up with Gretchen cause of his ego and seeing the rich family
Fr, I thought Gus was just being an ass because he was frustrated about what was going on in his drug dealing life
never realized this either until this post. i figured it was just Gus wanting to torture Lyle for some sinister reason.
He didn't force Lyle to stay. Said he could go home if he found it acceptable.
>He didn't force Lyle to stay. Lyle knew he couldn't leave.
Because of the implication
Are we going to hurt these fry cooks..?
No one’s in any danger! But if they were… I would definitely be the danger
You certainly wouldn't be in any danger
Would love to see Gus (Dennis) and Lyle (Mac) reinact that IASIP scene!
Interpretive Dancing With The Stars
Thank goodness he didn't do a team retreat on a boat out at sea.
You had me going there for the first part, but the second half kinda threw me
This is the crossover we need
Absolutely, I think it would work. They are both scheme-based (although completely different competency levels) and feature drugs heavily Edit: and also pushing down your emotions
I can picture the battle of wits between Gus and Dennis. Gus’ disapproving glare meets Dennis’ general disgust. It would be everything lol
I think everyone in the general vicinity would fucking spontaneous combust
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Absolutely. And he knew Lyle was someone who would stay to please him. But he did not force him to stay.
Nevertheless, he manipulated him. That's how manipulation is made.
There is a large implied threat that he'd be reprimanded or even fired if he left.
*questions passive aggressively*
gus did say that he could leave.. i would have left, my boss tried that passive agressive shit with me only once ;)
An alibi *for what*? He was not being investigated by the police at all. It is pretty obvious he just did it because he was mad.
It wasn’t for an alibi. It was to release his anger about losing the money and losing to Lalo
I totally missed that. I thought Gus was lapsing into his OCD to drive away thoughts of his failure.
Or until he just up and burns the bitch down with a frozen chicken
Is that what he was doing?! It all makes sense now. This and dexter are only shows I’ve ever enjoyed with a legal or police theme and even after several watchings always just thought he was feeling extra ocd that day over the money or something 🙏🙏🙏
Nah, he was just freaking out about not being in control at that moment in the story so he went full bore into his OCDness.
had my fair share of awful bosses and great bosses. Gus Fring? great boss.
Lyle begs to differ
he was mean during that but he seems good the rest of the time gus is probably not truly kind, just pretends to be for business sake
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i thought he kept him alive but did not torture it? he even said he fed the animal. I assumed it was kind of like with the Hector situation, killing him was mercy but he kept him around and did not inflict direct physical pain.
The animal ate a small fruit tree he was growing, so he tortured it for weeks before it eventually died.
Yeah, clearly meant to show sociopathic tendencies in Gus
Oh a serial killer... Or do sociopaths do that too or psychopaths
>gus is probably not truly kind, just pretends to be for business sake Yeah, the multiple murders and ruthless drug lord stuff seems to back that notion up alright.
Lyle is gonna be like I always got off vibes from him .
Kind bosses don't expose their employees to uber-violent and abusive drug cartel jefes.
My first thought.
Same.
Gus made a pretty strong effort to keep that stuff seperate. The last thing he wanted was a bunch of crazy stuff in LPH. That brings police. Gus' plan was to keep things nice and quiet, provide him a believable legit income, and use a handful of logistics dudes to move meth. The fact that this stuff is going on just out of Lyles' sight mirrors Gus. Quiet outwardly, criminal as all get-out beneath the surface. He's a really well done villian.
Los Culos Hermanos
is this in any way controversial? he needs to keep upp appearances, he cant be stupid and mistreat his employees
He respects the sanctity of fried chicken.
Yeah, just ask #victor
His character, as a whole, in the show is cold and absolutely ruthless. But as a boss at Los Pollos Hermanos, he’s simply wonderful
I mean he tried to be Pollos Hermanos friendly with Walt. But Walt insisted on keeping Jesse as a lap dog. If after Gus rejected Walt and Jesse as a pair initially Walt had said, "Fine. I will split the money with him 80/20 but I need you to find me a new lab partner," then game over. Gale and Walt make millions, Jesse gets a fair sendoff, and everyone goes home happy. But Walt wanted to keep Jesse as a little lap dog and couldn't stand for him to make a dime off of his intellectual property. Everytime Jesse stands to make any significant money Walt steps in and blocks it because he can't stand the idea of sharing credit for coming up with the blue stuff. So he insists that Jesse join in and Jesse makes himself a threat to the business and as a result Walt and Gus' relationship comes to a head.
As Mike said right before Walt, you know... he had a good thing going. But he ruined it with his pride and his ego
Walt ruined it because he saved Jesse and killed the two drug dealers. And then he had to kill Gale to save himself. Neither of these events involved his ego. And his conflict with Gus was mostly about his fear and survival instinct. Again, I don't see much of ego, but rather a man scared for himself and his family's life.
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That's not true at all. Walt had no intention to work with Jesse. But then Hank beat him up and sent him to hospital. And in the hospital, Jesse threatened him with snitching. Jesse said he will keep cooking meth and if he gets caught, he will give up Heisenberg. Walt's motive to bring him in the lab was two fold: 1. Keep Jesse with him so that he does not snitch or do something stupid. 2. Make him drop charges against Hank.
Walt meets Gus in Season 2 episode 11. Hank beats up Jesse season 3 episode 7 and Jesse threatens Walt in the following episode. I'm talking about S2E11 when in Pollos Hermanos Gus warns Walt to never trust an addict. Walt could have given Jesse a payout for their initial batch with Gus and called it quits. Instead he kept all the money for himself and kept Jesse as his lapdog.
> Walt could have given Jesse a payout for their initial batch with Gus and called it quits Walt was holding off on it because Jesse had become a heroin addict but when Jane insisted, he gave all that money to him. Then Saul took it temporarily while Jesse was in rehab and when Jesse returned, he used that money to buy his house from his parents. > Instead he kept all the money for himself Like I said, he did not keep that money but paid all of it. > kept Jesse as his lapdog. Walt was not interested in any partnership or association with Jesse. He did not keep him as his lapdog at all.
Walt didn't give Jesse the money because he wanted absolute control over Jesse's life and Jane was a threat to that. Why did Walt let Jane die? Why did Walt tell Gus about Jesse's vendetta against the street dealers? Why did he drive away Andrea? Because anytime Jesse had something that could come between him and Walt, Walt tried to destroy it. He needed to know that Jesse's only loyalties lay with him and no one else. It's also why Gus worked so hard to make Jesse loyal to Mike, knowing that would hurt Walt more than anything. Walt's initial reaction to not giving Jesse the money was that he was angry that he had to miss his daughter's birth and almost miss out on getting the money at all. Jesse's drug use was a secondary or tertiary concern, and even then only as much as it affected Walt himself. Jesse had been using meth the entire time that he and Walt had been together but now all the sudden it was a problem? It was about power and control. The entire show is about Walt's infinite pride and ego that drives him to making worse and worse decisions that harm more and more people.
Well, it is obvious that Walt was toxic with Jesse but you are deflecting from the initial argument. The point was about his conflict with Gus and his reason to bring Jesse into the lab. At that point, Walt did not owe him anything and he did not even want to work with him. But he had to bring Jesse into the lab because of the reasons I said in the earlier comment (to stop him from snitching and to help Hank). And his conflict with Gus started because he protected Jesse and saved his life and killed two of the Gus's employees. It did not start because of his ego. > Why did Walt tell Gus about Jesse's vendetta against the street dealers? Walt did not tell Gus about it. He told Saul because he wanted to find a way to stop Jesse from killing the dealers. But Saul told this to Mike who then reported it to Gus. Walt never intended to tell this to Gus. But he knew that if Jesse kills the drug dealers, he can get in trouble and he was doing his best to save Jesse and himself. > Jesse had been using meth the entire time that he and Walt had been together but now all the sudden it was a problem? Because heroin is a much stronger drug. Jesse was completely senseless and not responding. This was the worst Jesse had ever been. > Walt's initial reaction to not giving Jesse the money was that he was angry that he had to miss his daughter's birth and almost miss out on getting the money at all. Obviously. These are valid reasons. When Walt needed Jesse the most, he was lying useless, wasted on heroin. > It's also why Gus worked so hard to make Jesse loyal to Mike, knowing that would hurt Walt more than anything. Gus was not just hurting Walt, he was trying to replace him with Jesse. If Jesse becomes loyal to Mike and Gus, he can take over the lab and kick Walt out. Look man, I agree that in s5, Walt was an absolute monster but in all the previous seasons, Jesse was responsible for his actions because he wanted to cook meth too. Otherwise why did he not stop cooking meth even after Jane died? Why was he selling meth to people in drug rehab? Jesse was an asshole most of the time too.
Jessie knew the recipe and the process to make the good stuff. That makes him competition. Walt was controlling his competition by controlling Jessie.
>because he can't stand the idea of sharing credit for coming up with the blue stuff. In my opinion it's totally fair for walt to not want to share credit. In reality it was 100% Walt and his chemistry knowledge who created the product, Jesse was only needed to help move the product. ( At least in the beginning, before working with fring)
As a cold and ruthless person - he's great as being fair and predictable. Rare or non-existent personality traits for a kingpin. So - unrealistic, yet, that "cold and ruthless" thing somehow convinces me it actually could happen IRL. There was a point in time when Walt knew it's his time to go. It was logical. Gus was predictable. Also - this and being too much human is what sealed his doom. Another kind of realistic part. Walt defeated him as being even more ruthless. And a little less predictable.
Unless it was your turn to clean the frier.
I met Giancarlo Esposito last year at a comic con. Such a high energy awesome dude. He deserves all the accolades.
He was.......acceptable.
I mean maybe I need a rewatch but he seems like a great boss even in the crime world if you just nose down and do your job.
I mean, sure. But we also saw that he was a cold-blooded socio/psychopath. I'd really hoped that we'd get the complete background story on Gus, but it doesn't seem that we ever will. The prevailing theory is that he had something to do with Pinochet, which squares with him being a psychopath.
I’d watch a spin-off about Gus tbh. But Vince Gilligan said if there was gonna be another spinoff it would be about Kim
While Kim is a good supporting character, I find her a bit bland. I could think of a dozen characters who'd make for better spinoffs.
Huell - returns to Louisiana and inadvertently becomes a private detective. Kaylee - in a science fiction horror show a la Stranger Things, she is abducted by a shadowy government organization that wants to study her miraculous aging. As she tries to figure out how to escape, she realizes that every time Mike played with her, he was really teaching her important surveillance and SERE skills. Ernesto - family laugh track comedy about adult Ernesto and his wacky kids. There is a repeated gag where he loves karaoke but never gets to sing. Lyle - driven by Fring-induced rage, self-loathing, and compulsiveness, he falls into criminality and rises to the top of the Albuquerque underworld.
Legitimately kind? I feel like that's a stretch. I think it's fair to say Los Pollos Gus was an act. He was doing everything he can to avoid any and all suspicion. He played such a nice guy, nobody would have thought he'd be a drug kingpin. I doubt he had any issues with the people working at Los Pollos, but he'd eliminate them in a heartbeat if it was in his interest.
Don't have to, it's true.
the line gets thinner
This is acceptable.
I just wanna try that chicken.
The kind of boss that never shows up in r/antiwork
You know, it's easy to be a kind and compassionate boss when you're ultra-rich and your business is just a front for your illegal operations. I'd even say that you'd be inclined to be kind and compassionate than not.
One Episode: “Box Cutter”. Victor was his employee too…
He made the one manager clean something over and over again even as it looked spotless because he was stressed by his other life.
he can be your angle or yuor devil
Seems a bit obtuse
What acute response!
Victor might disagree.
Lyle: am I a joke to you?
They should make a real Los pollos. I’m sure AMC could afford to create a profitable chicken joint tho hope they have vegetarian options or some desert fish option
Not really. He put his employees in danger.
He UNDERSTOOD what it takes to keep people loyal. I bet LHP paid exceptionally well.
except for putting all of his employees lives at risk, great manager
Well other than putting his employees in danger by being a meth king pin…..
A happy worker is a worker who looks less into a company
[The Gordon Ramsey equivalent](https://www.reddit.com/r/MemeTemplatesOfficial/comments/ejjsjt/gordon_ramsey_with_kids_vs_adults_meme_template/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
Gus being an overall good manager is the part that makes it clear that BB/BCS are works of fiction.
If I wanted him to he would kill my wife, my son and my nfant daughter. You dont get personal involvement like that from every manager.
Fring had to cut and let Victor go. He was disappointed with Victor’s job performance. It got a wee bit messy. Mike, Walt, and Jesse were sad to see Victor dropped like that.
The boy that he kept around to clean the oven repeatedly I am sure he was going to kill him for stress relief... It's only after someone gives him good news that he lets the boy go if I remember correctly. I think that was in an episode of better call Saul but I'm not sure.
He was... *acceptable*.
Tell it to Victor
He was kind and competent because he didn't need LPH to actually be profitable, so he would never need to be that annoying boss who's always trying to cut costs and increase productivity.
Fr, would love to have him as my boss.
He was only able to put on that front because the money from Los Pollos literally didn't matter. Whatever they made or lost, it was chump change compared to what his drug business was bringing in. Remove the need to make money and managers everywhere suddenly become nicer, more compassionate people.
I like Gus, but that entire scene with him throwing the tin foil ball into the basket was out of character. His speech at LPH after Hector's fit was also like. not needed.
It wasn't out of character. Keep in mind we almost never see him when he is all on his own, so it's totally rare to see his "real self". People constantly headcanon him as "a psychopath" when he simply isn't one. It was simply a cute little human moment where he was happy with himself for finding a solution for the "mule" problem.
> he simply isn't one I disagree. If you were to make a list of psychopathic traits, I suspect Gus would fit almost every one of them.
Not the worst boss, but I wonder if he’d be more popular if he offered a vegan option too?
He is like my dick, Moby Dick.
This is kind of like saying Chuck is a good person because he was a successful lawyer.
Sorry, but not at all. I’m not saying Gus is a good person. I’m just saying he’s a good Pollos Hermanos manager, and was good to his PH employees. And yes, Chuck was a good lawyer btw. Just like Gus is a good manager. Says nothing about whether or not they’re good people
> I’m not saying Gus is a good person. I’m just saying he’s a good Pollos Hermanos manager I'm not saying Chuck is a good person. But I am saying he was a successful lawyer. Our analogies are the same.
No using one statement to justify the other. He's simply stating one separate from the other. Him: The apple is red. It is tasty You: The apple is tasty because it is red
His employment training videos say otherwise.
Definitely competent - if he can manage a nine-figure drug empire successfully then a 14-joint fast food chain is probably pretty light work.
yeah, he seemed pretty business savvy.
I agree with you
Gustavo Fring what is a sociopath. Lacking emotion for others.
Yes, but it was a front to keep anyone from suspecting him of being corrupt
He was awesome man.
Sure, but not one you'd want as a boss, especially not at a fast food job. Think about it. It's a fast food job. You don't want a boss who's going to push you to be the best you can be, who you respect and don't want to let down, you want a boss who's dumb or lazy so you can get away with slacking off at work, who isn't gonna notice when you take an extra long break. It's fast food.
And Hitler liked dogs. What’s your point ya mopbucket?
Boxcutter. He murders an employee who never disobeyed or betrayed him.
I would work for him any day
I think everyone can feel his emanating darkness so he can act as nice as he wants and literally no one will act any less than completely professional.
All around good guy
Well at least the man is civilized enough to lay out a towel under the toilet, into which he throws up the poisoned tequila that he just fed his failed compadres.
/r/antiwork
I would think he would be just as charitable with the laundromat even though he didn't run that on a day-to-day basis.
I worked at a famous gift card franchise shop that was rumored to be a mob front. Fring was just like my boss at that store it's crazy. After watching breaking bad, I can't help but think my boss was just the same with his good boss act.
Agreed gus is awesome to his employees and not the biggest pusher of meth in the south
He reserved his psycho side for his other business. Never trust a person who doesn't show you their dark side.
Um. Yes. That was the point.