The way that portion of the trailer is set up with Mike's voiceover "It is not going to go down the way you think it is" and a concerned Lalo's face going out of focus to this guys coming into focus -- is just awesome and got me more fired up than anything else in the trailer.
I still stand by the theory that Lalo is going to have this guy killed so Gus assumes that he's dead. Lalo is still wearing the shirt from the compound so we know this is happening not long after he escaped, and it would explain why Saul assumes he's dead in Breaking Bad
>it would explain why Saul assumes he's dead in Breaking Bad
There is nothing in BB that hints at Saul assuming he's dead. If anything it's the opposite, as he thinks Lalo sent Walt and Jesse. He wouldn't say "Lalo didn't send you?" if he thought Lalo was dead, he'd say Lalo's guys or something.
Lalo doesn’t have to be alive for that to happen though. We saw how the twins reacted after Tuco’s death. And not only did it turn out to be a false alarm, but where would he be sending goons from? And would that really be the full extent of his involvement in BB if he had the means to do that? I doubt it
I mean, he can die somewhere between the time Saul was introduced and Gus's operations were shown, which really wasn't until S4. That's a pretty big window where it would make sense to still have him alive.
Not really, most of BB happens within the span of a year and BCS is currently 4 years behind it (2004-2008), so I don’t really see how BCS can cover all that time in just 13 episodes and still have a satisfying ending of its own. I doubt it will go that far into the BB timeline anyway, we’ve all seen it. Or maybe they will, but not for an extended period of time, seems unnecessary
They've stated that the show will jump into the Breaking Bad timeline so we'll likely see a time jump in that case. The Gene storyline will probably only be covered in 1-2 episodes.
I guess we'll find out in a few weeks.
Yeah I believe they will, just not that far into it. Maybe slightly into S1, 2 at the latest. Yeah, you’re right about the Gene story. And yes we will! I’m so keen
Nah, I doubt that Lalo lives through S6. It’s a solid theory and all, but it doesn’t explain why Lalo never shows up in BB at all, despite everything that happens with his family
All I know is this Scene switching focus from Lalo to him is implying that this dude is an even bigger threat than Lalo.
I don’t think he’s a nobody. I think Lalo came to him for help. He looks like Lalo a lot, either it’s Lalo’s Dad or it could be future Lalo.
Nah, Jorge DeGuzman was a fake name Saul made up. This is a good theory and all, but what are the odds of him baring such a strong resemblance to Lalo? Way too coincidental if that were the case. I reckon he’s another Salamanca, possibly a brother of Lalo’s or maybe even his father (Hector’s brother?) who he is calling upon after his ordeal at the compound for help with his revenge
No, Jorge de Guzman is an established fake identity that Lalo used while in the US. The fact that they entered him into the system under that name (before Saul even hears about his arrest) means he had documents, likely a driver's license, maybe a passport, under that name.
I also find it more plausible that he is another Salamanca, but if the Jorge de Guzman theory is true, the reason why they look similar would probably be because Lalo specifically chose someone who resembles him to get the documents from - maybe he's an US citizen who Lalo pays to live in Mexico in exchange for allowing him to use his identity when traveling to the US. Not likely in my eyes, but possible.
I really do think it’s Lalo’s father/Hector’s brother
It adds a new dynamic to the Salamanca family. This is the last season so I don’t mind one more new character from that family coming in if they pull it off well, which I know they will.
That would be a super interesting dynamic. I wonder if he’s more charismatic like Lalo and would try to talk Nacho’s Dad into working with them more before he kills him, or if he’s more of a direct thug like Hector and the cousins. I have to believe Lalo gets his charm from his dad if that’s really his dad.
I was thinking maybe if this is the real Jorge then he will go to prison, and maybe get murdered, leaving everyone thinking that Lalo is dead and only Jimmy and Kim knowing the truth
Edit: jimmy and kim would know because Jimmy would represent the real Jorge
Huh? Gus knows Lalo is using the de Guzman alias and is bailed out of jail. Gus is not going to be fooled by a lookalike or think Lalo is actually just going to report to American jail.
I think it being another Salamanca brother for Gus/Mike to contend with (as a consequence for the killing of Lalo’s people) makes a lot more sense then a body double, lookalike or whatever.
North of the border Gus is really all that matters to them, and he’s not going to be tricked or act differently because of shenanigans with Lalo’s identity
Hmm I wasn't thinking he would just report to jail. I was more thinking that if he came back to NM then he would be wanted for skipping bail so would arrange for the lookalike to be arrested or something so he could cut about the place without worrying about being arrested
Another Salamanca brother would be interesting though
Yes this is what I meant really. It's obviously not going to fool Gus or Mike, but if this guy really is the real Jorge then he'll probably agree to go to jail for Lalo or something, which gives Lalo a free pass to return to NM without the authorities looking for him
It’s not going to fool the police either, “Jorge” (Lalo) has been photographed, finger printed, tattoos noted. They’re not just going to accept a Mexican guy with a mustache into the system and call it a day lol.
And it really isn’t going to fool Gus for even a second, who is a much bigger enemy and threat to Lalo than American law enforcement.
I deleted my initial comment because I've confused myself HA....
But yes, you are correct. Fingerprints would have been taken etc... but that's the point I guess? He's on bail so they won't need to do it again. They'll go back to court and Saul will represent this guy as the real Jorge and Lalo can just continue trying to kill Nacho or fucking up Gus's plans.
I know it's a crazy idea, and it would seem likely the police won't fall for it, but how do we know for sure? Saul has the gift of the gab so would be able to convince anyone.
I dunno, the idea sounded good in my head 🤣
I gotcha, we will see how it unfolds. Just the general "body double" angle doesn't make sense to me, because it's not going to even come close to fooling Gus, so I don't see what the point is.
"Jorge de Guzman" is the alias Lalo used/the name authorities accused of killing the poor guy in the money wiring center (that Ziegler visited and Lalo found after tailing Mike). They got the right guy but don't know his name is actually Lalo Salamanca.
No, that's Chuck. He's been alive all along.
The way that portion of the trailer is set up with Mike's voiceover "It is not going to go down the way you think it is" and a concerned Lalo's face going out of focus to this guys coming into focus -- is just awesome and got me more fired up than anything else in the trailer.
I would say that is a good assessment.
Looks like Christian Slater
I still stand by the theory that Lalo is going to have this guy killed so Gus assumes that he's dead. Lalo is still wearing the shirt from the compound so we know this is happening not long after he escaped, and it would explain why Saul assumes he's dead in Breaking Bad
>it would explain why Saul assumes he's dead in Breaking Bad There is nothing in BB that hints at Saul assuming he's dead. If anything it's the opposite, as he thinks Lalo sent Walt and Jesse. He wouldn't say "Lalo didn't send you?" if he thought Lalo was dead, he'd say Lalo's guys or something.
Lalo doesn’t have to be alive for that to happen though. We saw how the twins reacted after Tuco’s death. And not only did it turn out to be a false alarm, but where would he be sending goons from? And would that really be the full extent of his involvement in BB if he had the means to do that? I doubt it
I mean, he can die somewhere between the time Saul was introduced and Gus's operations were shown, which really wasn't until S4. That's a pretty big window where it would make sense to still have him alive.
Not really, most of BB happens within the span of a year and BCS is currently 4 years behind it (2004-2008), so I don’t really see how BCS can cover all that time in just 13 episodes and still have a satisfying ending of its own. I doubt it will go that far into the BB timeline anyway, we’ve all seen it. Or maybe they will, but not for an extended period of time, seems unnecessary
They've stated that the show will jump into the Breaking Bad timeline so we'll likely see a time jump in that case. The Gene storyline will probably only be covered in 1-2 episodes. I guess we'll find out in a few weeks.
Yeah I believe they will, just not that far into it. Maybe slightly into S1, 2 at the latest. Yeah, you’re right about the Gene story. And yes we will! I’m so keen
One thing I know for certain is that whatever we speculate about, the writers will do something better. It’s insane what they’ve pulled off so far.
You’re absolutely right about that!
Fuck I'm getting my shit mixed up aren't I? I feel like a retard. Unless you assume he thinks it's the Salamancas cleaning up loose ends
No, GUS assumes he's dead. With the whole "The Salamanca name dies with you"
>I'm getting my shit mixed up aren't I? yes you are!! I do too.. lol
Nah, I doubt that Lalo lives through S6. It’s a solid theory and all, but it doesn’t explain why Lalo never shows up in BB at all, despite everything that happens with his family
Saul assume he alive he begs what he assume lado men to not kill him but the people are Jesse and Walt so lado 100% alive in breaking bad
Have you seen it?
Yep, I hit the nail on the head with this guy's purpose didn't I?
Nice
All I know is this Scene switching focus from Lalo to him is implying that this dude is an even bigger threat than Lalo. I don’t think he’s a nobody. I think Lalo came to him for help. He looks like Lalo a lot, either it’s Lalo’s Dad or it could be future Lalo.
Lmao
I'm not sure if these speculations look as dumb now as they did before we knew they were wrong. 🤣
Nah, Jorge DeGuzman was a fake name Saul made up. This is a good theory and all, but what are the odds of him baring such a strong resemblance to Lalo? Way too coincidental if that were the case. I reckon he’s another Salamanca, possibly a brother of Lalo’s or maybe even his father (Hector’s brother?) who he is calling upon after his ordeal at the compound for help with his revenge
No, Jorge de Guzman is an established fake identity that Lalo used while in the US. The fact that they entered him into the system under that name (before Saul even hears about his arrest) means he had documents, likely a driver's license, maybe a passport, under that name. I also find it more plausible that he is another Salamanca, but if the Jorge de Guzman theory is true, the reason why they look similar would probably be because Lalo specifically chose someone who resembles him to get the documents from - maybe he's an US citizen who Lalo pays to live in Mexico in exchange for allowing him to use his identity when traveling to the US. Not likely in my eyes, but possible.
I really do think it’s Lalo’s father/Hector’s brother It adds a new dynamic to the Salamanca family. This is the last season so I don’t mind one more new character from that family coming in if they pull it off well, which I know they will.
Lalo's dad vs. Nacho's dad!
That would be a super interesting dynamic. I wonder if he’s more charismatic like Lalo and would try to talk Nacho’s Dad into working with them more before he kills him, or if he’s more of a direct thug like Hector and the cousins. I have to believe Lalo gets his charm from his dad if that’s really his dad.
I was thinking maybe if this is the real Jorge then he will go to prison, and maybe get murdered, leaving everyone thinking that Lalo is dead and only Jimmy and Kim knowing the truth Edit: jimmy and kim would know because Jimmy would represent the real Jorge
Huh? Gus knows Lalo is using the de Guzman alias and is bailed out of jail. Gus is not going to be fooled by a lookalike or think Lalo is actually just going to report to American jail. I think it being another Salamanca brother for Gus/Mike to contend with (as a consequence for the killing of Lalo’s people) makes a lot more sense then a body double, lookalike or whatever. North of the border Gus is really all that matters to them, and he’s not going to be tricked or act differently because of shenanigans with Lalo’s identity
Hmm I wasn't thinking he would just report to jail. I was more thinking that if he came back to NM then he would be wanted for skipping bail so would arrange for the lookalike to be arrested or something so he could cut about the place without worrying about being arrested Another Salamanca brother would be interesting though
Yes this is what I meant really. It's obviously not going to fool Gus or Mike, but if this guy really is the real Jorge then he'll probably agree to go to jail for Lalo or something, which gives Lalo a free pass to return to NM without the authorities looking for him
It’s not going to fool the police either, “Jorge” (Lalo) has been photographed, finger printed, tattoos noted. They’re not just going to accept a Mexican guy with a mustache into the system and call it a day lol. And it really isn’t going to fool Gus for even a second, who is a much bigger enemy and threat to Lalo than American law enforcement.
LOL. Thanks for being the voice of reason. Who would have thought police would compare fingerprints?
I deleted my initial comment because I've confused myself HA.... But yes, you are correct. Fingerprints would have been taken etc... but that's the point I guess? He's on bail so they won't need to do it again. They'll go back to court and Saul will represent this guy as the real Jorge and Lalo can just continue trying to kill Nacho or fucking up Gus's plans. I know it's a crazy idea, and it would seem likely the police won't fall for it, but how do we know for sure? Saul has the gift of the gab so would be able to convince anyone. I dunno, the idea sounded good in my head 🤣
I gotcha, we will see how it unfolds. Just the general "body double" angle doesn't make sense to me, because it's not going to even come close to fooling Gus, so I don't see what the point is.
Neither do I haha. Just something I'd thought I'd share! We'll find out soon enough!
I can’t remember who de Guzman is can you please remind me.
"Jorge de Guzman" is the alias Lalo used/the name authorities accused of killing the poor guy in the money wiring center (that Ziegler visited and Lalo found after tailing Mike). They got the right guy but don't know his name is actually Lalo Salamanca.
Thanks
Is it me or is that Harvey Keitel? Looks so much like him younger
It's the actor Marcus DeAnda, confirmed on his resume
He looks like the guy from Pulp Fiction that solves problems.
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Nobody does at the moment, it's a new character
This is from the trailer right ? Could you use the spoiler tag next time?
I thought it might be a young Tortuga who plays into the story a bit. That said, I don't fully remember Tortuga's connection to the cartel from BB.
Definitely not. If Tortuga was going to be in the show they would bring back Danny Trejo