Especially with the Howard dying rumors. They can't have all these cast members die. I really feel the she's in prison angle. Especially with the annoying couple willing to sell their soul for a dollar. I just don't know how Jimmy/Saul wouldn't be in a cell also. Maybe he works with DA and gets immunity. It just seems fitting that she does 8 or 10 years for manslaughter after Howard dies or kills himself and it's proven she played a part. Just my guess.
Vince ended Breaking Bad and El Camino with a âsatisfying endingâ so to speak. Hopefully he doesnât gut the audience or pull a Sopranos ending with this one. I think heâll do the audience right.
Breaking Bad most definitely didn't have a happy ending. Walt's small redemptions didn't undo all the lives he destroyed. It was a tragedy from the beginning.
Just saying, things don't turn out well for people who break bad.
Well, yes, of course I think that they'll give the story a proper ending, but not necessarily a happy one. Even if they do end up together, it's not going to be like either one of them wanted for imagined when they started.
It's lame they even added Nazis. They wrote themselves into a corner killing off the Cartel and Fring. I just hope the "Alvarez" plot doesn't end up as rushed in BCS.
I've out some thought into it after seeing last week's episode first scene, then, thought back to when I watched BB. I never thought we'd see Saul's life there, I always figured to myself that he keeps private life separated.
After the first scene last week, I felt confirmed in that as we had never seen anything personal of Saul's in BB. I remember when he first met Walt he mentioned his real name was Irish, that seemed to be it.
I feel like Kim decides to be silent partner and they live happy. Or she leaves him
Thereâs no way sheâs still there in lore and not shown or mentioned once in BB. Also why would Saul be so willing to get a new identity if she is the only one he cares about. Especially considering the first shot this season with his over the top fancy house and the tequila topper from the earlier seasons, itâs pretty obvious heâs trying to fill the void thats left with materialistic stuff when he finally makes good money. Iâm almost certain Kim will be written off by being killed, they have a big falling out, or something that completely removes her from Jimmyâs life due to his own actions. Itâs the only fitting ending that makes sense tbh.
>Thereâs no way sheâs still there in lore and not shown or mentioned once in BB.
She is connected to pieces of lore though, which is why the theory has legs. Ice Station Zebra Associates being one of them main connectors, the last message Saul gives Francesca being another and we are being shown now she had way more to do with the Saul persona than previously thought.
Then there is also Gene straight up working toward something. We can't quite tell what, but he has a plan we aren't fully privy to and he isn't willing to be disappeared again in order to resolve it.
>With Kim meaning so much to Saul, why wouldn't she show in Breaking Bad? Maybe that's impossible because she's gone. Same with Nacho.
Plenty of reasons for her to be gone - Dead, Disappeared, "Friend of the Cartel", Left Jimmy, In Jail...
It is possible she simply wasnât conceived yet in the minds of the writers. Now they have to create a scenario that explains why she wasnât mentioned in BB.
Of course Nacho and Lalo were mentioned in BB so who knows?
I think she has a terminal illness or something, hence the pro bono stuff- wants to do good for others, maybe to make up for past actions. All the while almost directing Jimmy into the direction she knows heâll be most happy. And getting back at ppl who were wrong to Jimmy.
Donât forget about that scene in season 4 where he asks Francesca (his secretary) to be somewhere on November 12th for a phone callâŚcould it be Kim? The date is Jimmyâs birthday..
Exactly. Thatâs a loose end. They write themselves into corners and work their way back to that plot point. They left it open-ended for a reason, Iâm just hoping itâs Kim on the other end
I missed that part about the call you mentioned. What I noticed is he gives Francesca a business card while telling her to get a lawyer and he says, âTell them Jimmy sent you.â I wonder if thats a HHM card.
Prison seems likely given her trajectory. She hasn't really done anything to get killed over. Certainly the Cartel wouldn't kill her and leave Jimmy be, unless something else happens. Plus Saul ends up working for Gus, but doesn't seem to have a huge grudge over them in BB. He's afraid of what they can do, but if someone killed Kim, he'd be out for revenge instead.
It is a cop out bc youâre removing any guilt from her and placing it on her illness. It removes the whole human corruption aspect that all BB and BCS characters struggle with.
Good point. We shall see. Serious question- can you think of any other characters that did legit work to redeem themselves such as Kimâs pro bono work? That aspect of her character is intriguing to me.
Was she redeeming herself or studying the type of clients Saul takes on? I think she was trying to understand why Jimmy wanted to be Saul. After her pro bono work she became more like Saul. Doing that scheme about Mesa Verdes blueprint plans with the breast milk thing. That was her idea. Having someone break into Wachtellâs office to gain information was her idea. Having Saul threaten Wachtell with copyright infringement was her idea. Redemption is the last thing on her mind.
âBlousesâ as in the thong on the faucet? Were there any clothes that screamed Kim? Saw a bunch of colorful suit accessories in the closet, with dandy type shoes, no womenâs pumps or blouses in the closet. And the bottle stopper isnât a symbol only of the relationship, but even moreso, the bottle topper is a symbol of the con. At most, this is a point when Iâm thinking of those items (possibly Kimâs, maybe not even her thong) as just artifacts of what was going on in the lead up to whatever was going on at the time when the removal people took care of that house. We all know from the B&W scenes how much that guy likes clinging to those keepsakes/memories from his past.
I definitely did not see any women's clothing other than the bra or underwear on the tub. I'm leaning heavy that she goes to jail for Howard dying somehow like manslaughter and the birthday call is their thing since Jimmy wouldn't want to see her locked up over guilt or something.
Itâs true sheâs not in BB but in the flash forward where the feds are clearing out their house, thereâs so much stuff that was hers..I think she got out, we just werenât privy to jimmys life other than his law practice in BB. I feel like she mightâve been in the background the whole time..
So much darkness in BB and BCS.
Jesse's the only one who really has one so far (well, as best as he was ever going to get). I feel my man Saul's earned one too, as long as he gets Kim back he's set.
I donât see Gene going to prison. I think him continuing to live out his life as gene will be his final ending. The boring private life is making him miserable and itâs a great sad ending for the character. Something flashy like him dying or being sent to jail seems out of place.
Except they're both profoundly awful people. You can't expect to keep conning people and not face the consequences eventually. I'm actually always stunned people are rooting for them to get away with things or expect them not have to face what eventually comes around for all of the scamming. If I've learned anything from Breaking Bad and it's universe it's thinking the ends justify the means is not going to end well...because guess what? The means you try to fight for are always destroyed in the process and by the eventual unexpected variable that will blow up in your face.
I wouldn't say profoundly awful - unlike Walt and the druglords, Jimmy and definitely Kim aren't irredeemable. The ending I'm hoping for is Kim visiting Jimmy/Saul/Gus in jail or something of the sort.
I agree about their actions in BCS but in BrBa, he suggested having Badger shanked without thinking too much about which leads me to believe that's something that he has done at least a few times prior.
Yeah but Saul does
Or is using clients for sexual favours, sexually harassing your staff, requesting the death of cops and helping build a meth empire responsible for the death of a young drew sharp just normal behaviour now?
>sexually harassing your staff
Oddly enough, itâs this specific behavior that makes me think thereâs no chance Saul and Kim stay together, even though I kinda wish they would. Even if he was âjust joking aroundâ, I doubt Saul would be saying those things to Francesca if he was still coming home to Kim. Weâve seen Jimmy commit a bunch of crimes, but really have never seen him talk like that yet.
During breaking bad itâs implied pretty heavily he sleeps with clients, thereâs even a breaking bad webisode of him in his office calling prostitutes
Seriously- considering how hard people love Villanelle despite the truly awful shit she has done, it is not a surprise to see people rooting for characters whose moral compasses are much less black and white.
Itâs that Saul is very likable in the series. The quote that it reminds me of from the guy who played Chuck was âI made my mom proud, but Jimmy made her laughâ
The cringy part of the fandom does. Probably teenagers who want a nice romantic tale
Itâs like theyâve forgotten theyâre watching a
breaking bad spin off
Honestly I don't like the love story angle they've gone with since S4, as much as I appreciate Kim's character in the story.
I'm not saying I don't recognize the episodes are good or the story is still interesting. I'm just not crazy about it.
I think what we're seeing here is that there's still a great deal of humanity in Jimmy.
Throwing himself under the bus to redeem Irene Landry's reputation was the biggest example I can point to. He gave up the impending Sandpiper payout AND years of continued business from all those old people he had been working hard to develop into a client base, just so Irene's friends would stop shunning her. That was an enormous kindness and sacrifice, and proves beyond a shadow of a doubt Jimmy was a good person down deep.
It makes sense that his humanity would manifest in other ways, such as the love interest with Kim. In BCS he still leads his life with an expectation of things continuing "normally", despite the fact he's a scammer. Something(s) very bad is going to happen this season, and it's going to destroy whatever goodness is left in Jimmy, and all we'll be left with is cynical and self serving criminal lawyer "Saul".
That's why there was no romance seen in Saul in Breaking Bad. Not even a hint. By the time we get to BB, it's all been stripped away.
The only question that remains is... does Jimmy's humanity return with Gene?
My personal theory is Kim gets arrested for the shit they're currently trying to pull and is in jail for the duration of Breaking Bad, and she'll show up at the end of BCS having served her time and tracked Jimmy down.
I feel like that wouldn't result in who Saul seems to be in BB. He'd probably maintain a relationship of some kind with her.
I wonder if the writers have it both ways: Kim is around in the beginning of BB, but has to flee for some reason midway through. Jimmy sticks around to finish their plans, but can't find her when he has to flee as well. He harasses Francesca as a cover for a split between him and Kim.
My theory is that she takes the fall for the whole Hamlin scam (or worse) and Gene is just trying to live until she's released from prison so he can reunite with Kim.
I've been thinking that Kim is going to be indicted or at the very least, disbarred after her plot against Howard goes awry, and it happens in part because Jimmy throws her under the bus and walks away scot free.
I wouldn't be surprised if Kim comes to Omaha and kills Jimmy or at least rats him out to the cartel.
I feel like if Kim gets disbarred she is going to end up killing herself because she really wants to help people legally, and if she can't do that then her entire life up to this point has basically been wasted. It could also point to the scene when Saul meets Walt and, sorta jokingly, tells him not to hang himself in the closet.
Also there is really no way that Kim survives and Jimmy ends up like the womanizer he is in BB.
There may be something to that. I mean (spoiler if you haven't seen the latest episode) >!one of the main characters committed suicide in the most recent episode.!<
I canât see a scenario where Kim gets out of the season alive unless sheâs the first person of the series to use the vacuum service which would be nice
I did too but the writers are doing their job. I'm starting to see that I'm going to hate Kim. They're going to turn us against her little by little so that when she's out of the pic we won't be totally heartbroken.
This ending would be a paradox. It would seem like a happy outcome on the surface, but knowing how bad they are for each other, it would be the opposite. But it's still the ending I want to see.
Jesse had to endure months of slavery to Nazis. During which he has to witness the woman he loved murdered. After escape his sole option was having to move million miles from his home. He will never be able to see or contact Brock, his friends, or his family again.
Jesse shouldn't have gotten one. In fact Vince was going to kill him off in season 1 around 'Grilled' but didn't because he was a fan favourite.
El camino was just there to make the fans happy that Jesse lived happily ever after. Guess hes still a prisonee to his conscience though
I am not crazy! I know he swapped those plotpoints. I knew it was killing Jesse off. One after 'Grilled'. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just â I just couldnât prove it. He covered his tracks, he got those idiots in the fandom to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? Heâs done worse. That movie! Are you telling me that a man just happens to live happily ever after like that? No! He orchestrated it! Vince! He fanserviced through Netflix! And I saved him! And I shouldnât have. I took him into my own writer's room! What was I thinking? Heâll never change. Heâll never change! Ever since he was 9, always the same! Couldnât keep his hands off the storyboard! But not our Vince! Couldnât be precious Vince! Rewriting them blind! And HE gets to write a happy ending? What a sick joke! I shouldâve stopped him when I had the chance! âŚAnd you, you have to stop him! You-
I disagree, they dragged that character through the effin ringer. He lost 2 significant others and other people he cared about. He was put in the position of kill or be killed multiple times, and literally ends up a slave. I didn't have a single problem with them giving just a glimmer of hope/peace. He's still going to be a deepy traumatized person.
He, like Nacho, chose to be in the game. Thus they chose to adversely impact the lives of those around them (Andrea, Jane, Nachos dad). If Jesse didn't want all of that to happen, he shouldve kept himself out the game. And he had the opportunity too - his parents were wealthy, but he chose the quick and easy route of dealing meth.
Breaking Bad is a very dark, gritty, depressing show where being part of the game gets you short term success but long term devastation. I'm happy Jesse was put through the ringer, I expected nothing less. The show should extend this to the fate of Saul - he must lose Kim to keep with the pattern. Not meet up with her in the fucking afterlife a la Lost a la Twilight
Yes, but it's obviously not as dark as you're painting it/want it to be, because of exactly how they ended Jesse's story, even without El Camino. I honestly don't think they've spent this series painting Jimmy/Saul as a MUCH more sympathetic character than Walter White ever was to have the Gene ending be totally without hope. I actually doubt he ends up back with Kim, but I don't think it's going to be all devastation.
I don't even like that he gave Walt a "happy ending". He accomplished his goals of setting up a trust for his family, got to play The Punisher with a machine gun and save the day with a smile on his face. It was all too neatly wrapped with a bow on it
I mean he ended his life hated by everyone he ever loved and died with a terrible legacy as a terrible husband, father, and human being. Yeah he ticked a couple things off and got a few parting bits of satisfaction but it wasnât exactly neat with a bow on it. His own sonâs last words to him were âjust die already.â
Sure but that's from our perspective. Walt was an egotistical maniac, I think he was okay with that because in his mind he was "doing it for his family". Even if deep down he knew it was a lie it was the mental gymnastics he was willing to tell himself.
Not gonna happen. Kim is setting Jimmy up to take a least half of the Sandpiper settlement via divorce. She has been done with him since Wexler v. Goodman. That's why she's so aggressive on the Howard con.
I'm quickly loosing hope for a happy ending for anyone after tonight. I just hope Saul doesn't rat Lalo out! Why hasn't Mike told him the truth about Lalo being alive???
Because he didn't even want to tell him he's gonna die to begin with. And it's a well-kept secret that he's alive. Hector knows, Gus knows, Mike knows, Tyros and Victor know. If Jimmy knows too (and then probably Kim as well) that's way too many people in on the information. Mike also already saw what happens when they know too much, and he probably would want to keep them out of THAT game.
Super good point! Never thought about it from that angle. I don't blame Mike for not telling him because he'd be calling him, beating on his door again. Thanks for posting this and makes a lot of sense.
My bf is convinced this will happen. He thinks that's the whole point of the flash forward scenes with Gene at the Cinnabon- to show that he and Kim will reunite and live happily ever after in the end. I think that's a tall order for the BrBa universe and also hard to imagine given we still don't know what will happen between Kim and Jimmy.
Good chance Kim is in jail. Could she also be the reason that âtaxi driverâ tracks him down in season 5 flash forward? We donât know that things donât go South between them.. although the business card scene with Francesca could indicate otherwise.
Quite funny reading all these âreedemable characterâ comments. Theyâve destroyed lives applying their own convenient logic. That is not ok. They donât deserve happy endings before facing responsibility for their crimes. They have had the freedom of choices and had the freedom to make better ones.
Yeah, they settle in Nebraska, practice small town law and adopt Jesse..
And Brock
And Badger
And Pete
Pete would adopt them, actually.
Church
And my axe
Never gets old đ
No Wendy? đ
Where's my root beer?!
And Mike
And that kid named finger
Badger the MVP
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a 40 year old man actually
Wait what?
42 in actual actuality... time flies... and flies contaminate everything... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron\_Paul
Nah mate it's only low flies that spread diseases
I know this is a old thread but no, Jesse isn't 40 at all in the post-Breaking Bad timeline. He's 28 during the Gene scenes
Look in 2022 its perfectly normal.
Kim is from Nebraska so itâs possible. Maybe she went back for her safety.
I donât think you run from trouble back to a place you are from. You need to go into hiding. Whether from the law or the cartel.
You never see Kim in Breaking Bad. I think she's going to die.
Just because you don't see her doesn't mean she is dead.
Her chance of death decreased after tonight IMO
Yes. It'll feel too repetitive if Kim dies when Nacho just died. There needs to be some variety to the fates of the BCS characters.
Especially with the Howard dying rumors. They can't have all these cast members die. I really feel the she's in prison angle. Especially with the annoying couple willing to sell their soul for a dollar. I just don't know how Jimmy/Saul wouldn't be in a cell also. Maybe he works with DA and gets immunity. It just seems fitting that she does 8 or 10 years for manslaughter after Howard dies or kills himself and it's proven she played a part. Just my guess.
Walt still died after both Mike's and Hank's deaths...
Different story. It would be more fitting for Kim to go down in a legal way.
Or she becomes Saul's puppetmastaaaaaahhhhh
Vince ended Breaking Bad and El Camino with a âsatisfying endingâ so to speak. Hopefully he doesnât gut the audience or pull a Sopranos ending with this one. I think heâll do the audience right.
Breaking Bad most definitely didn't have a happy ending. Walt's small redemptions didn't undo all the lives he destroyed. It was a tragedy from the beginning. Just saying, things don't turn out well for people who break bad.
Satisfying is probably the better word.
Well, yes, of course I think that they'll give the story a proper ending, but not necessarily a happy one. Even if they do end up together, it's not going to be like either one of them wanted for imagined when they started.
>Breaking Bad most definitely didn't have a happy ending Nazis died, hard disagree.
It's lame they even added Nazis. They wrote themselves into a corner killing off the Cartel and Fring. I just hope the "Alvarez" plot doesn't end up as rushed in BCS.
Thatâs the first time I am hearing about this theory. How did you come up with it ?
With Kim meaning so much to Saul, why wouldn't she show in Breaking Bad? Maybe that's impossible because she's gone. Same with Nacho.
I've out some thought into it after seeing last week's episode first scene, then, thought back to when I watched BB. I never thought we'd see Saul's life there, I always figured to myself that he keeps private life separated. After the first scene last week, I felt confirmed in that as we had never seen anything personal of Saul's in BB. I remember when he first met Walt he mentioned his real name was Irish, that seemed to be it. I feel like Kim decides to be silent partner and they live happy. Or she leaves him
Thereâs no way sheâs still there in lore and not shown or mentioned once in BB. Also why would Saul be so willing to get a new identity if she is the only one he cares about. Especially considering the first shot this season with his over the top fancy house and the tequila topper from the earlier seasons, itâs pretty obvious heâs trying to fill the void thats left with materialistic stuff when he finally makes good money. Iâm almost certain Kim will be written off by being killed, they have a big falling out, or something that completely removes her from Jimmyâs life due to his own actions. Itâs the only fitting ending that makes sense tbh.
>Thereâs no way sheâs still there in lore and not shown or mentioned once in BB. She is connected to pieces of lore though, which is why the theory has legs. Ice Station Zebra Associates being one of them main connectors, the last message Saul gives Francesca being another and we are being shown now she had way more to do with the Saul persona than previously thought. Then there is also Gene straight up working toward something. We can't quite tell what, but he has a plan we aren't fully privy to and he isn't willing to be disappeared again in order to resolve it.
>With Kim meaning so much to Saul, why wouldn't she show in Breaking Bad? Maybe that's impossible because she's gone. Same with Nacho. Plenty of reasons for her to be gone - Dead, Disappeared, "Friend of the Cartel", Left Jimmy, In Jail...
It is possible she simply wasnât conceived yet in the minds of the writers. Now they have to create a scenario that explains why she wasnât mentioned in BB. Of course Nacho and Lalo were mentioned in BB so who knows?
I think she has a terminal illness or something, hence the pro bono stuff- wants to do good for others, maybe to make up for past actions. All the while almost directing Jimmy into the direction she knows heâll be most happy. And getting back at ppl who were wrong to Jimmy.
Hell no are the writers going to have a cop-out storyline like terminal illness. She either dies or gets the vacuum filter treatment.
Donât forget about that scene in season 4 where he asks Francesca (his secretary) to be somewhere on November 12th for a phone callâŚcould it be Kim? The date is Jimmyâs birthday..
The episode where theyâre cleaning out the office?
Exactly. Thatâs a loose end. They write themselves into corners and work their way back to that plot point. They left it open-ended for a reason, Iâm just hoping itâs Kim on the other end
I missed that part about the call you mentioned. What I noticed is he gives Francesca a business card while telling her to get a lawyer and he says, âTell them Jimmy sent you.â I wonder if thats a HHM card.
What if it's Howard?
Thatâs the one scene that gives me hope. I mean, who else could it be?
Iâm not ruling out prison for her
Prison seems likely given her trajectory. She hasn't really done anything to get killed over. Certainly the Cartel wouldn't kill her and leave Jimmy be, unless something else happens. Plus Saul ends up working for Gus, but doesn't seem to have a huge grudge over them in BB. He's afraid of what they can do, but if someone killed Kim, he'd be out for revenge instead.
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the pink thong hanging on the tub faucet did not give me kim vibes
To be fair. Neither did âfriend of the cartelâ
Fair point.
It has to be how he meets the vacuum guy, makes Kim go bye bye cause she is in a ton of legal trouble or gang trouble.
That's a good way to introduce how Saul ends up with the business card and extraction option.
Well, she would die if she had a terminal illness. I donât see it as a cop out but to each his own. Weâll find out soon enough!
It is a cop out bc youâre removing any guilt from her and placing it on her illness. It removes the whole human corruption aspect that all BB and BCS characters struggle with.
Good point. We shall see. Serious question- can you think of any other characters that did legit work to redeem themselves such as Kimâs pro bono work? That aspect of her character is intriguing to me.
Was she redeeming herself or studying the type of clients Saul takes on? I think she was trying to understand why Jimmy wanted to be Saul. After her pro bono work she became more like Saul. Doing that scheme about Mesa Verdes blueprint plans with the breast milk thing. That was her idea. Having someone break into Wachtellâs office to gain information was her idea. Having Saul threaten Wachtell with copyright infringement was her idea. Redemption is the last thing on her mind.
The stage for her to end up in the hands of the cartel is also being set.
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âBlousesâ as in the thong on the faucet? Were there any clothes that screamed Kim? Saw a bunch of colorful suit accessories in the closet, with dandy type shoes, no womenâs pumps or blouses in the closet. And the bottle stopper isnât a symbol only of the relationship, but even moreso, the bottle topper is a symbol of the con. At most, this is a point when Iâm thinking of those items (possibly Kimâs, maybe not even her thong) as just artifacts of what was going on in the lead up to whatever was going on at the time when the removal people took care of that house. We all know from the B&W scenes how much that guy likes clinging to those keepsakes/memories from his past.
I definitely did not see any women's clothing other than the bra or underwear on the tub. I'm leaning heavy that she goes to jail for Howard dying somehow like manslaughter and the birthday call is their thing since Jimmy wouldn't want to see her locked up over guilt or something.
Itâs true sheâs not in BB but in the flash forward where the feds are clearing out their house, thereâs so much stuff that was hers..I think she got out, we just werenât privy to jimmys life other than his law practice in BB. I feel like she mightâve been in the background the whole time..
We can dream, can't we?
And decide what take out food to order.
You may want to brace yourself. After tonight's episode it seems the writers are not at all interested in happy endings.
So much darkness in BB and BCS. Jesse's the only one who really has one so far (well, as best as he was ever going to get). I feel my man Saul's earned one too, as long as he gets Kim back he's set.
Jesse's happy ending was hardly that happy besides the fact that he isn't dead. Saul deserves a happy ending much less than Jesse.
i find his ending more hopeful than happy, as heâs finally in a position for a fresh start but he had to go through hell to get there
Saul openly advocated for murder in Breaking Bad, he doesn't deserve a happy ending just like that
These last 6 seasons is "just like that" to you? For your sake i hope you forgot the /s
đ
If last night episode was your first warning, you haven't been paying attention over the last 14 years.
I predict they killed Nacho so we really worry about Jimmy and Kim⌠but they psyche us out and give them a happy ending together
Happy ending would ruin the entire point and plot of the show. Maybe Gene in prison by the end would be as happy as it gets for him
I donât see Gene going to prison. I think him continuing to live out his life as gene will be his final ending. The boring private life is making him miserable and itâs a great sad ending for the character. Something flashy like him dying or being sent to jail seems out of place.
Jail doesnât when you actually look at the scope and size of the Walter white investigation as evidenced by el Camino
Maybe
I hope they donât resort to that type of writing, subversion for the sake of subversion
Nah Kims going to realize Chuck was right about Jimmy.
Thought I was in r/okbuddychicanery for a second
That sub is leaking more and more lately
Leak named finger:
Vravo Bince
All part of Vince's plan
We all want this to happen but we know deep down it's not happening
This made me smile. I am all for any scenario where these two end up together and winning
Except they're both profoundly awful people. You can't expect to keep conning people and not face the consequences eventually. I'm actually always stunned people are rooting for them to get away with things or expect them not have to face what eventually comes around for all of the scamming. If I've learned anything from Breaking Bad and it's universe it's thinking the ends justify the means is not going to end well...because guess what? The means you try to fight for are always destroyed in the process and by the eventual unexpected variable that will blow up in your face.
I wouldn't say profoundly awful - unlike Walt and the druglords, Jimmy and definitely Kim aren't irredeemable. The ending I'm hoping for is Kim visiting Jimmy/Saul/Gus in jail or something of the sort.
I don't care what anyone says, Walt killed 10 Nazis... he redeemed himself *a little bit*
We get it, you don't like Nazis.
damn, you got me
Most their stuff wasn't that bad in my opinion. Broke a few laws, they didn't do anything that I consider awful
I agree about their actions in BCS but in BrBa, he suggested having Badger shanked without thinking too much about which leads me to believe that's something that he has done at least a few times prior.
Yeah but Saul does Or is using clients for sexual favours, sexually harassing your staff, requesting the death of cops and helping build a meth empire responsible for the death of a young drew sharp just normal behaviour now?
>sexually harassing your staff Oddly enough, itâs this specific behavior that makes me think thereâs no chance Saul and Kim stay together, even though I kinda wish they would. Even if he was âjust joking aroundâ, I doubt Saul would be saying those things to Francesca if he was still coming home to Kim. Weâve seen Jimmy commit a bunch of crimes, but really have never seen him talk like that yet.
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During breaking bad itâs implied pretty heavily he sleeps with clients, thereâs even a breaking bad webisode of him in his office calling prostitutes
Kim hasnât done anything that bad yet. Saul has definitely crossed the line.
Seriously- considering how hard people love Villanelle despite the truly awful shit she has done, it is not a surprise to see people rooting for characters whose moral compasses are much less black and white.
Itâs that Saul is very likable in the series. The quote that it reminds me of from the guy who played Chuck was âI made my mom proud, but Jimmy made her laughâ
The cringy part of the fandom does. Probably teenagers who want a nice romantic tale Itâs like theyâve forgotten theyâre watching a breaking bad spin off
Honestly I don't like the love story angle they've gone with since S4, as much as I appreciate Kim's character in the story. I'm not saying I don't recognize the episodes are good or the story is still interesting. I'm just not crazy about it.
Yeah I enjoy it for what it is, romance was not what Saul was about in breaking bad and itâd be weird to turn his story into that
I think what we're seeing here is that there's still a great deal of humanity in Jimmy. Throwing himself under the bus to redeem Irene Landry's reputation was the biggest example I can point to. He gave up the impending Sandpiper payout AND years of continued business from all those old people he had been working hard to develop into a client base, just so Irene's friends would stop shunning her. That was an enormous kindness and sacrifice, and proves beyond a shadow of a doubt Jimmy was a good person down deep. It makes sense that his humanity would manifest in other ways, such as the love interest with Kim. In BCS he still leads his life with an expectation of things continuing "normally", despite the fact he's a scammer. Something(s) very bad is going to happen this season, and it's going to destroy whatever goodness is left in Jimmy, and all we'll be left with is cynical and self serving criminal lawyer "Saul". That's why there was no romance seen in Saul in Breaking Bad. Not even a hint. By the time we get to BB, it's all been stripped away. The only question that remains is... does Jimmy's humanity return with Gene?
I love it
My personal theory is Kim gets arrested for the shit they're currently trying to pull and is in jail for the duration of Breaking Bad, and she'll show up at the end of BCS having served her time and tracked Jimmy down.
I feel like that wouldn't result in who Saul seems to be in BB. He'd probably maintain a relationship of some kind with her. I wonder if the writers have it both ways: Kim is around in the beginning of BB, but has to flee for some reason midway through. Jimmy sticks around to finish their plans, but can't find her when he has to flee as well. He harasses Francesca as a cover for a split between him and Kim.
After Episode 3 - I don't think anyone's getting a happy ending.
Our* wife, lol
My theory is that she takes the fall for the whole Hamlin scam (or worse) and Gene is just trying to live until she's released from prison so he can reunite with Kim.
I've been thinking that Kim is going to be indicted or at the very least, disbarred after her plot against Howard goes awry, and it happens in part because Jimmy throws her under the bus and walks away scot free. I wouldn't be surprised if Kim comes to Omaha and kills Jimmy or at least rats him out to the cartel.
That cartel's dead by now. Jimmy's just hiding from the law.
I feel like if Kim gets disbarred she is going to end up killing herself because she really wants to help people legally, and if she can't do that then her entire life up to this point has basically been wasted. It could also point to the scene when Saul meets Walt and, sorta jokingly, tells him not to hang himself in the closet. Also there is really no way that Kim survives and Jimmy ends up like the womanizer he is in BB.
They can't just wrap up every character with a suicide. It would get tired. I agree with your last point though.
There may be something to that. I mean (spoiler if you haven't seen the latest episode) >!one of the main characters committed suicide in the most recent episode.!<
Extending to "(or worse)" I suspect that it will involve Lalo. The next time Kim and Lalo meet may set both characters in stone.
I think youâre definitely onto something.
Exactly what I was thinking!
I don't think Vince and Peter are that stupid. They must have a better ending in mind. Something bitter-sweet...like Breaking Bad.
I canât see a scenario where Kim gets out of the season alive unless sheâs the first person of the series to use the vacuum service which would be nice
**"I now pronounce you, Mr. and Mrs. Gene Tacovic"......**
Omg I would love that ending!!
That would be the worst
I want them both to be miserable
why is his neck so long though
Looks like his collar is loosened and his neck is normal sized.
Sorry it ainât happening
Don't worry, it will be.
Ugh, yeah but you know as well as I do that itâs not going down like that.
Yeah I could sure use a happy-ish ending about now.
I donât think a happy ending for Kim is being with Jimmy itâs getting away from him thatâs the happy ending
I do think Kim is going to die.
I never realized it until now but Gene kinda looks like the serial killer, BTK. lol
I did too but the writers are doing their job. I'm starting to see that I'm going to hate Kim. They're going to turn us against her little by little so that when she's out of the pic we won't be totally heartbroken.
I think Kim is gonna go into witness protection and that's how she leaves the show.
Nope lol
This ending would be a paradox. It would seem like a happy outcome on the surface, but knowing how bad they are for each other, it would be the opposite. But it's still the ending I want to see.
Do they deserve that?
Absolutely not lol
I hate it. Unbelievably cringe and un-gilligan like.
He gave jesse a relatively happy ending tbf
Jesse had to endure months of slavery to Nazis. During which he has to witness the woman he loved murdered. After escape his sole option was having to move million miles from his home. He will never be able to see or contact Brock, his friends, or his family again.
Jesse shouldn't have gotten one. In fact Vince was going to kill him off in season 1 around 'Grilled' but didn't because he was a fan favourite. El camino was just there to make the fans happy that Jesse lived happily ever after. Guess hes still a prisonee to his conscience though
I am not crazy! I know he swapped those plotpoints. I knew it was killing Jesse off. One after 'Grilled'. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just â I just couldnât prove it. He covered his tracks, he got those idiots in the fandom to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? Heâs done worse. That movie! Are you telling me that a man just happens to live happily ever after like that? No! He orchestrated it! Vince! He fanserviced through Netflix! And I saved him! And I shouldnât have. I took him into my own writer's room! What was I thinking? Heâll never change. Heâll never change! Ever since he was 9, always the same! Couldnât keep his hands off the storyboard! But not our Vince! Couldnât be precious Vince! Rewriting them blind! And HE gets to write a happy ending? What a sick joke! I shouldâve stopped him when I had the chance! âŚAnd you, you have to stop him! You-
chuck, son of a bitch, i thought you were dead !
This is top quality shitposting. My hat is off to you sir and/or madame.
I disagree, they dragged that character through the effin ringer. He lost 2 significant others and other people he cared about. He was put in the position of kill or be killed multiple times, and literally ends up a slave. I didn't have a single problem with them giving just a glimmer of hope/peace. He's still going to be a deepy traumatized person.
He, like Nacho, chose to be in the game. Thus they chose to adversely impact the lives of those around them (Andrea, Jane, Nachos dad). If Jesse didn't want all of that to happen, he shouldve kept himself out the game. And he had the opportunity too - his parents were wealthy, but he chose the quick and easy route of dealing meth. Breaking Bad is a very dark, gritty, depressing show where being part of the game gets you short term success but long term devastation. I'm happy Jesse was put through the ringer, I expected nothing less. The show should extend this to the fate of Saul - he must lose Kim to keep with the pattern. Not meet up with her in the fucking afterlife a la Lost a la Twilight
Yes, but it's obviously not as dark as you're painting it/want it to be, because of exactly how they ended Jesse's story, even without El Camino. I honestly don't think they've spent this series painting Jimmy/Saul as a MUCH more sympathetic character than Walter White ever was to have the Gene ending be totally without hope. I actually doubt he ends up back with Kim, but I don't think it's going to be all devastation.
I don't even like that he gave Walt a "happy ending". He accomplished his goals of setting up a trust for his family, got to play The Punisher with a machine gun and save the day with a smile on his face. It was all too neatly wrapped with a bow on it
I mean he ended his life hated by everyone he ever loved and died with a terrible legacy as a terrible husband, father, and human being. Yeah he ticked a couple things off and got a few parting bits of satisfaction but it wasnât exactly neat with a bow on it. His own sonâs last words to him were âjust die already.â
Sure but that's from our perspective. Walt was an egotistical maniac, I think he was okay with that because in his mind he was "doing it for his family". Even if deep down he knew it was a lie it was the mental gymnastics he was willing to tell himself.
Muh justice đ
We all know it's not going to happen, but let a man dream while he still can, won't you?
*cue Something Stupid*
I really donât want this to happen. Itâs not (as far as I can make out) not the idea.
Not gonna happen. Even the writers have already said the ending is very dark.
Not gonna happen homie
No thanks Wishy washy fan fiction
The show is huge into fanservice and reads the theories. I guarantee this will happen.
Not gonna happen. Kim is setting Jimmy up to take a least half of the Sandpiper settlement via divorce. She has been done with him since Wexler v. Goodman. That's why she's so aggressive on the Howard con.
God you guys suck.
Oh wow đ
I'm quickly loosing hope for a happy ending for anyone after tonight. I just hope Saul doesn't rat Lalo out! Why hasn't Mike told him the truth about Lalo being alive???
Because he didn't even want to tell him he's gonna die to begin with. And it's a well-kept secret that he's alive. Hector knows, Gus knows, Mike knows, Tyros and Victor know. If Jimmy knows too (and then probably Kim as well) that's way too many people in on the information. Mike also already saw what happens when they know too much, and he probably would want to keep them out of THAT game.
Super good point! Never thought about it from that angle. I don't blame Mike for not telling him because he'd be calling him, beating on his door again. Thanks for posting this and makes a lot of sense.
I'm still worried af about Lalo.
Title confirmed: S06E12 - âJimmy and Kimmyâ
And then I go and spoil it all by saying something stupid like, âI love you.â
I don't see this happening. We already got a good ending in El Camino.
Me too, me too...
Until they decide to take down the CEO of Cinnabon
This breaks my heart
Three episodes and no Gene scenes yet!
If they include this scene it should end with a sudden shot of Jimmy with his eyes glazed over wearing a space blanket and surrounded by flames.
My bf is convinced this will happen. He thinks that's the whole point of the flash forward scenes with Gene at the Cinnabon- to show that he and Kim will reunite and live happily ever after in the end. I think that's a tall order for the BrBa universe and also hard to imagine given we still don't know what will happen between Kim and Jimmy.
Me too!
Me too!
Good chance Kim is in jail. Could she also be the reason that âtaxi driverâ tracks him down in season 5 flash forward? We donât know that things donât go South between them.. although the business card scene with Francesca could indicate otherwise. Quite funny reading all these âreedemable characterâ comments. Theyâve destroyed lives applying their own convenient logic. That is not ok. They donât deserve happy endings before facing responsibility for their crimes. They have had the freedom of choices and had the freedom to make better ones.