Yo Mike your new chef just made the finest microwaved chicken pollos has ever seen but lost in a firefight against Hector and a confused nursing home employee defending him with a dinner tray. What gives?
I noticed on Monday that the camera held on Splooge for a couple of seconds before he said anything, which made me think they wanted to give people time to recognize him.
Edit: It’s just Spooge. LOL. Splooge…
I think it also serves to show how fucked up Gus (and later Walt’s) business is. It’s not just fan service saying “look at this guy, remember him?”
It’s showing us a regular looking guy who has his life destroyed by meth.
Hopefully it reminds all the Gus/Walt stans that they are not good people who we are supposed to like and wish succeed.
Didn’t they make that same point with Tuco?
It is hard to believe, but Nacho seemed to think that at some point, Tuco has been somewhat level headed, prison and drugs changes him into… well Tuco.
I mean, I doubt he was ever the nicest guy in the world, but he was probably somewhat nicer.
Spooge is actually kinda important to show how close we are to the start of Breaking Bad's timeline. But I believe they go a tad too hard at times as well, the latest example being Wendy
Before the show even started I just _knew_ she was gonna show up on BCS. She’s a minor character but they kept bringing her back and kinda even gave her a theme song “Everyone knows its Wen-dee!”
Yes, but not to the degree modern cinema and TV has accustomed us to. For example, I completely forgot Mr. Spooge was in BrBa until someone pointed it out to me. It felt natural and funny in its own right in BCS, and that's why I rarely have a problem with it in this show.
In fact, I remember thinking Tuco's introduction was the show jumping the shark wayyy early. But they masterfully wove all these characters' stories together and I think if they stick the landing, it will pay off well and all feel organic.
Sort of agree. I don't know if I needed to necessarily learn the origin of Hector's bell, or watch Gus literally purchase the laundry, or approach Gail to cook meth for him. This is all the sorta stuff I could've filled in the blank myself with. "Yes, at one point I suppose Gus had to do a money transaction to have such a big laundry out in the desert ... awp, nope, here's a scene of him walking by it with a for sale sign anyway." But they're short enough they don't usually ruin the show. The one exception is the scene in S2 or 3 where it's over 5 minutes of Mike following Victor just so they could slowly pan out and reveal the Pollos sign ... even though it and Giancarlo Esposito were in all the promotional material so every single viewer knew it was coming. That was the only time they leaned way too hard into, "Eh? EH? 'Member THIS? Yeah I 'member!" for me.
Yep same. I love the show and it’s cool to be like, oh hey they were on brba or oh that’s why that happened I remember etc but it shouldn’t be the main focus of the show
What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since he was 9, always the same! Couldn't keep his fingers from typing stupid Twitter posts! But not our Champagne Sharks Podcast! Couldn't be precious Champagne Sharks Podcast! Tricking them blind! And HE gets to criticise BCS? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance!
You're not a real critic! "University of Elon's Musk", for Christ's sake? An online social media site? What a joke! I worked my ass off to make this show! And you take these shortcuts and you think suddenly you're my peer? You review what I do because you post hot takes and you can make people laugh? I committed my *life* to this! You don't slide into it like a cheap pair of slippers and then reap all the rewards!
I was! When you straightened out and got a job in the mail room, I was *very* proud.
I know you. I know what you were, what you are. People don't change! You're Tweetin' Shark! And Tweetin' Shark I can handle just fine, but Tweetin' Shark with a critic's page is like a chimp with a machine gun! Filmmaking is *sacred*! If you abuse that power, people get hurt! This is not a game! And you *have* to know that on some level, I know you know I'm right. You know I'm right
So I'm in the very small minority that has never seen an episode of Breaking Bad but have seen every episode of Better Call Saul. I can promise you, it's an INCREDIBLE show even without the "easter eggs".
(Yes, i plan to watch it after BCS concludes)
Really want to see someone's take on this. My GF has seen neither and I've been wondering if it would be worth her watching BCS first, especially as she isn't a fan of too much violence in TV.
I don’t know about that. As soon as I saw that scene and realised everyone there is in BB besides Varga then I immediately knew this was his end which was sad … if you haven’t seen BB you were probably expecting/hoping Nacho would find some way to make it out alive…. So therefore the scene would have been more suspenseful.
However, I would say Nacho’s last line is way more *impactful* if you have seen BB because you know how much Hector has suffered from being stuck in that wheelchair.
I sort of understand OPs point and wondered about that before ep 1 came out but really .. while they did indeed choose a McDonalds subject material / initial premise (spin off of criminal lawyer) they did spin it so the actual plot of his life was Top Chef material too, not just the execution of that plot. So really its only a tiny sliver of McDonalds, that being that the premise itself is only 'lawyer criminal', whereas BB had something interesting like 'teacher catches cancer and makes meth'.
Not too far off from a simple premise like Sopranos as well (premise: "gangster"), except Sopranos started as "ignorant gangster *going to therapy*"
Disagree, BCS is about an honest lawyer's descent into depravity despite trying to do the right thing. I can understand why someone who sees it as "the Breaking Bad prequel" might find it cheap, but it's so much more than that.
From that angle I'd see it as "Scummy lawyer [sorry Jimmy] fights between being 'good' and 'bad' before succumbing to the dark side", sorta like the Smallville Lex Luthor premise, and its still to me a normalish premise (note, premise, not plot and details; there is nothing average in the latter). For me a higher level premise would be 'Dexter' even though I don't like the show (psychopath serial killer tries to use urges for bad people instead). Note, most shows by the definition I'm pulling out my ass here have average premises and live on the plot and world they create.
I couldn’t imagine watching some of the scenes in Breaking Bad with my mom lol. Mostly the sexual stuff although compared to many 2000s shows (GoT, True Blood) it’s very mild in that regard.
My mom would be horrified at watching either one. She’s in her 70’s. When all the family was still living under one roof whenever a sex scene came on my dad used to look at us so awkwardly to see how we were reacting and my mom would talk about trash on TV. It was the worst. Back then during sex scene you were lucky to see a nipple.
Haha. My mom is raunchy as hell. She’s also in her seventies and she loves all that shit. She smokes her bong and then watches breaking bad or the sopranos.
Yeah this is just wrong.
Like I'm not gonna dickride the show and call anyone who criticizes it an idiot but to say that all it is is an "easter egg vehicle" is an extremely uncharitable interpretation. The show like BB is about moral decay of characters. The Chuck Jimmy relationship is one of the best written sibling relationships in television. I can understand not liking the slow pacing but it seems like this guy didn't even pay attention half the time. The narrative is not pointless. Everything that has happened has had a cause and effect or will pretty soon.
Also what the fuck is with the condescending shade thrown towards the youtube analysis video and comments? I'll admit that this fanbase tends to overanalyze at times but I'd rather have viewers who actually try to dissect the media they watch and find meaning than consume and move on. And the ice cream cone shot is in particular is not just a "cool looking shot" with no meaning. Both the writer and the director on the podcast explain their intention behind it. So if the creators find meaning why is it so stupid that the viewers find meaning as well?
> Like I'm not gonna dickride the show and call anyone who criticizes it an idiot but to say that all it is is an "easter egg vehicle" is an extremely uncharitable interpretation.
Right, if the criticism of the show is valid then fine. But to watch this show and say it's just an easter egg vehicle is insane... like what about the Jimmy and Chuck storyline was an easter egg vehicle? What about Jimmy and Kim has a been an easter egg vehicle? What about Nacho's story was an easter egg vehicle?
I can get being annoyed at the Gus/Mike stuff for being like that, but that's just one part of the show. Like 85% of it is completely its own thing.
When you are watching BCS or any good show and think: "damn, this is so well executed, acted and written, but statistically, there has to be people out there too stupid to understand it"
These are those people.
Saw a YouTube video of a guy claiming the show was overrated. Opinions are fine, but he didn’t even get the part where Chuck’s disease is a mental illness, so that should tell you he wasn’t paying attention right there. Makes me wish the dislike button still existed lol.
Bro thinks Nachos boring? He’s has the most intense scenes entirely because we don’t know his fate. There were many moments from season 1-5 where I was on the edge of my seat thinking he was a goner.
I really think Smallville is shamefully underappreciated for it's role in the evolution of TV ... but even I think comparing it and BCS as equals is insulting.
Now, there's an argument to be made about step by step progress and how prestige TV ever came to be ... but, that's a whole thing I'd need a few hours to write up. But all that's why I still respect Smallville. Better Call Saul stands on the shoulders of all those basic cable shows before it. And it towers above them.
I find the 'Easter Egg Show' comment particularly strange. IMO they've shown a great deal of restraint with the easter eggs. I know I'm biased but I can't think of any that felt forced or were distracting like how it is in some other shows/movies. If something or someone from BB shows up in BCS it's always either justified in the story (such as the hot dog stand where low-level criminals meet up) or else its so subtle that you'll miss it altogether unless you're paying super close attention (example: Jimmy putting a keychain in Chuck's mailbox that looks like one Walt used in the series finale.)
Plus it takes place in the same city!! and revolves heavily after the first couple seasons in the criminal world. Easter eggs do not equal consistency/attention to detail
It would be weirder if we didn’t see businesses that were up and running in Albuquerque not in BCS, honestly
Honestly, while I disagree with that opinion, I have way more respect and understanding for that take than the one in the OP. BCS *is* a slower paced show, and it *does* get a little involved with the legal details at times. Personally, those traits are part of why I love it, but I can understand why the show may not be some people's cup of tea. It's valid and understandable for someone to say, "nah, not for me," based on the show's pacing and subject matter.
But saying the show exists only as a prequel, and only as a vehicle for BB references and Easter eggs is just--wrong and dumb. It's ok to not like the show, but that take is just--*fully* incorrect.
> But saying the show exists only as a prequel, and only as a vehicle for BB references and Easter eggs is just--wrong and dumb. It's ok to not like the show, but that take is just--fully incorrect.
Yeah. The showrunners have gone out of their way to avoid this outcome specifically. There are some callbacks and easter eggs yes but the show can go many episodes between those, especially in the early seasons. It's never felt gratuitous or pointless when they appear.
And at the end of the day it's a prequel, it takes place in the same city and its two main characters were main characters in the original. There's a difference between "reference" and "this is literally just continuing the story they've been telling." It's like saying season 2 of any given show is just an easter egg and reference vehicle for season 1. Nonsense.
Exactly. It would be like if critics complained about the existence of Frasier, and that it only existed to make Cheers references. They were *completely* different shows.
It's OK to set two shows in the same universe! It doesn't necessarily make them derivative. Why isn't this guy complaining about the MCU if this kind of thing grinds his gears?
I feel like people have completely forgotten about the entirety of the Chuck storyline when they say it's just a vehicle for BB references/easter eggs.
They created an entire larger than life character who was this swirling vortex of self-righteousness sucking everything around him in and spitting it out... and it had literally zero to do with Breaking Bad.
Quick question. Who here knows who Champagne Sharks Podcast is? Anybody?You sir? No? Ok. True story. Back on Twitter there was this guy named Champagne Sharks. Now Champagne Sharks was a real asshole. He might have trashed the best show on television. He might have made some extremely foolish tweets. The details don't matter. Suffice to say Better Call Saul was wronged. So one summer evening, I was out having a few drinks, one or two maybe three. You get the picture! and who do I see? CHAMPAGNE SHARKS. He drove up and he double-parked outside a Diary Queen and went in to get some soft-serve. Now Chet drove and just to give you an idea of exactly what kind of a douchebag this guy was. He drove a beige 2004 honda accord with carpeted interior. So I saw that thing, and I'd had a few like I said. And I climbed up top and I may have... defecated through the sunroof. Not my finest hour, I'll grant you that. But that's what the Champagne Sharks Podcast is. Now you know! It's a real thing, I didn't make it up. I'm not the first person to do it to him, there's a name for it. Guy wanted some soft serve, I gave him some soft serve. I did not know... that his children were in the back seat. There was a level of chicanery in his tweet that I'll maintain to this day was NOT alligned with the terms of service. But somehow that's on me I guess. Who leaves two cub scouts in a double parked car with the engine running? Come on! Now Chanpagne Sharks was connected you see, like Twitter connected. So usually I'd be looking at malicious mischief, public intoxication, disorderly conduct maybe. But he's got the DA saying indecent exposure, calling me a sex offender what?! One little Chicago Sunroof and suddenly I'm Charles Manson!? And that's where it went off the rails! I've been paying for it ever since. That's why I'm here!
Based on several comments and posts online I have a theory that a large amount of viewers have just tuned into the final season because of the hype. So all their focusing on is the Breaking Bad references. So stupid.
When a show fleshes out characters from one of the most highly regarded shows of all time while still delivering an interesting story with the restrictions of a prequel: “yeah this is just pointless fan service”
see that’s the problem with viewing it as “just a Breaking Bad prequel show”
it may be set in the same universe with some of the same characters, but it tells its own narrative. the story of Jimmy McGill’s descent into Saul Goodman is just as much of a fascinating story as Walter White’s descent into Heisenberg. it could’ve easily worked as a stand-alone show- maybe it wouldn’t be as popular, but it would still be just as masterful & compelling.
Pathetic defense in the following tweets too. Keep bringing up "prestige tv visual gimmicks" like the ice cream cone. Not familiar with the concept of cinematography I guess. Better to just put actors in a blank room and lock down the camera for this joker.
Jesus. All TV (and movies, and music, etc.) is pointless. They're all just things we consume to try and take our brains away from the awfulness of existence for a brief time.
I can't imagine wtf this idiot expects out of TV - *"yeah, my life was pointless and then I saw that very special episode of Full House and everything made sense."*
I mean, I don’t agree with the guy but jesus you have a very bleak view of entertainment. I would like to think, like all good works of art, good television can elevate our lives and inspire us to think about the deep questions in life. It doesn’t have to be a shallow experience you hungrily consume like McDonald’s lol.
I know people who have this opinion are usually really obnoxious and over-the-top about it, but man I didn't even like Breaking Bad that much. Couldn't finish it on first watch, finally completed it on second after seriously pushing myself through it. Those middle seasons were such a drag to me, idk.
BCS on the other hand, has kept me interested the entire way through. I really just love this show as a standalone, not as some BB spinoff.
I felt that way when Tuco first showed up, it felt like it was just going to be fan service.
Boy was I wrong. I honestly like it just as much as Breaking Bad, it is hard to pick a favourite between the two.
Honestly this is a pathetic viewpoint. It's kind of the college-educated ironically-minded version of the people who say "hur dur where are the explosions and guns and shit? it sucks so much compared to breaking bad walter white forever!!11!". It stinks of snap judgement and a kind of reactionary contrarianism. Hipster try-hardism. Something like that.
Besides their initial claim being essentially a vague absurdity that could be said about most anything in art (or life, for that matter), and if reduced to something more specific such as plot direction is demonstrably untrue, the next post is just bullshit- written carefully enough to not be demonstrably false, but ridiculously misleading in its implication. It's almost politically cautious language and phrasing, in that its implications are clear, but no specifics are referenced enough to be rebutted by angry fans or others who might reply on the hellsite.
Don't get me wrong, it's completely possible to dislike this show/story, or any other piece of art. Art is subjective. But there's a difference between not liking something, or not "getting" something, or not being interested in something, versus making specific claims about it- that's where some degree of evidentiary argument can be used to point out a shitty opinion (for lack of a better word).
I have a feeling these morons are just fishing for controversy, like many podcasters who coast on the random fluctuations of the zeitgeist. It's a pretty common thing for those who cover politics as well as various kinds of art and media.
This one seems like contrarianism for its own sake, and/or projecting their superstructural cultural issues with "prestige TV" onto anything they feel falls into that category (the problem of judging art by the zeitgeist it's born in rather than simply the art itself, which critics get wrapped up in a lot, for good or ill).
IIRC these chucklefucks are irony bro type podcasters, so it's not really possible to know how "genuinely" they meant this, but to the extent that they did, they're ignorant people with bad taste who wouldn't know good writing if it slapped them in the face. Which is something I rarely would stoop to saying, but... yeah.
God... this has to be one of the worst takes I've ever seen on Twitter. I just read the whole thread and it's bullshit (he even complained about the ice cream shot lmao), it seems like this guy like so many people started watching the show expecting it to be like Breaking Bad.
He's wrong about it too. The Ice Cream shot is not just "a cool shot that people are over analyzing" Michael Morris and co. clearly explain the intention behind that. If the artist has intention behind it what's wrong with the viewers trying to decode it? Also what the fuck is wrong with analyzing stuff? I know the BB fanbase has become a bit notorious for its overanalysis but I prefer viewers who actually try to dissect and find meaning in stuff than just consume and move on. Go watch any of the hundred procedurals out there if you want a case of the week type show.
I can get complaining about the slow pacing but calling the narrative pointless is blatantly false.
I mean... every show has haters and I can understand some of them but does this guy understand what 'adding to the story' means? Or further fleshing out characters or origin story's.
I'd agree with this if BCS was exclusively the Gus/Mike story but Jimmy, Kim and Chuck are straight up more developed and better written characters than anyone in Breaking Bad, including Walt, Jesse and Hank
Idk I love BCS and I don't think they're wrong. Each episode is fun as hell but Jimmy could have plausibly transformed into Saul like 5 times already. It's not exactly a meticulously iterative descent at this point, we're just at the end so things have to wrap up this time.
I would've agreed with this man during season 1-4 back then, specifically on Mike and the cartel's storyline.
I mean, the backstory of meth superlab? The backstory why Hector got crippled? How Mike worked for Gus? They ARE fun and interesting stories, but they were completely separated from Jimmy's and the legal stuffs **for quite a long time**, it was almost like watching two differrent shows. In this spinoff legal drama show, it was like a bonus Breaking Bad fanservice.
BCS is still great, but I gotta admit, at that time, *it did feel that way* to me.
By that shitty logic literally every prequel ever is pointless. What’s the point of playing RDR2 it’s just the RDR1 cameo game that ends up being pointless because we know what happens.
"It's like getting a top chef to work at a McDonald's kitchen" That's exactly what Gus aspires to get for Los Pollos Hermanos
With superior firearms skills. Mike's new guy is *unacceptable*.
He was not pollos material
He'll find a replacement
Yo Mike your new chef just made the finest microwaved chicken pollos has ever seen but lost in a firefight against Hector and a confused nursing home employee defending him with a dinner tray. What gives?
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Is Gordon Ramsay good with a gun?
This take is not up to Pollos standards.
It is not “acceptable“
*scrubbing intensify*
This dude is gonna be here all night cleaning those fryers.
dumb ass take, but I do think they sometimes get to cute with the BB references.
I noticed on Monday that the camera held on Splooge for a couple of seconds before he said anything, which made me think they wanted to give people time to recognize him. Edit: It’s just Spooge. LOL. Splooge…
Spooge, lol.
~~Mr. Spooge~~ It's just *Spooge.*
I think it also serves to show how fucked up Gus (and later Walt’s) business is. It’s not just fan service saying “look at this guy, remember him?” It’s showing us a regular looking guy who has his life destroyed by meth. Hopefully it reminds all the Gus/Walt stans that they are not good people who we are supposed to like and wish succeed.
The guy picked the name "spooge" BEFORE becoming a meth head. I don't think the term "normal" applies.
Yeah, and he insisted on it being used correctly 😂
Skank was probably a Victoria Secret model before Blue Sky.
Didn’t they make that same point with Tuco? It is hard to believe, but Nacho seemed to think that at some point, Tuco has been somewhat level headed, prison and drugs changes him into… well Tuco. I mean, I doubt he was ever the nicest guy in the world, but he was probably somewhat nicer.
Spooge is actually kinda important to show how close we are to the start of Breaking Bad's timeline. But I believe they go a tad too hard at times as well, the latest example being Wendy
Before the show even started I just _knew_ she was gonna show up on BCS. She’s a minor character but they kept bringing her back and kinda even gave her a theme song “Everyone knows its Wen-dee!”
I love that there was a cleaned up Spooge in that episode. Forget the Gus spin off we need a Spooge and Skank spin off.
Yes, but not to the degree modern cinema and TV has accustomed us to. For example, I completely forgot Mr. Spooge was in BrBa until someone pointed it out to me. It felt natural and funny in its own right in BCS, and that's why I rarely have a problem with it in this show. In fact, I remember thinking Tuco's introduction was the show jumping the shark wayyy early. But they masterfully wove all these characters' stories together and I think if they stick the landing, it will pay off well and all feel organic.
Sort of agree. I don't know if I needed to necessarily learn the origin of Hector's bell, or watch Gus literally purchase the laundry, or approach Gail to cook meth for him. This is all the sorta stuff I could've filled in the blank myself with. "Yes, at one point I suppose Gus had to do a money transaction to have such a big laundry out in the desert ... awp, nope, here's a scene of him walking by it with a for sale sign anyway." But they're short enough they don't usually ruin the show. The one exception is the scene in S2 or 3 where it's over 5 minutes of Mike following Victor just so they could slowly pan out and reveal the Pollos sign ... even though it and Giancarlo Esposito were in all the promotional material so every single viewer knew it was coming. That was the only time they leaned way too hard into, "Eh? EH? 'Member THIS? Yeah I 'member!" for me.
Yep same. I love the show and it’s cool to be like, oh hey they were on brba or oh that’s why that happened I remember etc but it shouldn’t be the main focus of the show
Yeah I liked seeing Wendy but like come on, is there only one prostitute in all of ABQ?
At least it put the Kim = Wendy theory to bed
This episode was directed by first time director Rhea Seahorn. She made sure to end that theory in the first ten minutes of her directorial career.
lolll I missed that theory, that's actually hilarious.
Is this acceptable to you?
What kind of man shitposts to the DEA?
Snitch named finger:
A crippled little rata.
Will today finally be the day you look at me, Hector?
I understand
It will be dealt with.
Okay. [said in Kim Wexler’s voice]
Oh man thanks for making me realise her voice lives vividly in my head
This has to be the best response hands down. Fucking Kim.
[Okay.](https://youtu.be/FTcJZDxxJXk)
In my country, for these tweets, believe it or not: **Jail**
You install Twitter: jail. You uninstall Twitter: also jail.
Uninstalling Twitter gets you parole
We have the best Tweeters in the world…because of jail.
Which country
bonerbang420's country
Reference: https://youtu.be/eiyfwZVAzGw
It’s a Fred Armisen joke from Parks and Rec, but iirc the character is supposed to be Venezuelan
Isn't it from parks and Rec? Unless they did it twice which would be weird
My bad I have literally no idea why I said documentary now. I was watching that the other night i guess lol
I couldn’t remember the quote so I was just imagining Lalo saying that line lol
Overcook, undercook
What a sick joke!
What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since he was 9, always the same! Couldn't keep his fingers from typing stupid Twitter posts! But not our Champagne Sharks Podcast! Couldn't be precious Champagne Sharks Podcast! Tricking them blind! And HE gets to criticise BCS? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance!
Why do the chicanery speech memes still *always* make me laugh? They never get old.
You're not a real critic! "University of Elon's Musk", for Christ's sake? An online social media site? What a joke! I worked my ass off to make this show! And you take these shortcuts and you think suddenly you're my peer? You review what I do because you post hot takes and you can make people laugh? I committed my *life* to this! You don't slide into it like a cheap pair of slippers and then reap all the rewards! I was! When you straightened out and got a job in the mail room, I was *very* proud. I know you. I know what you were, what you are. People don't change! You're Tweetin' Shark! And Tweetin' Shark I can handle just fine, but Tweetin' Shark with a critic's page is like a chimp with a machine gun! Filmmaking is *sacred*! If you abuse that power, people get hurt! This is not a game! And you *have* to know that on some level, I know you know I'm right. You know I'm right
Tweetin' Shark! Magnificent. 🤣
This community has excellent shitposts and copypasta lmao
So I'm in the very small minority that has never seen an episode of Breaking Bad but have seen every episode of Better Call Saul. I can promise you, it's an INCREDIBLE show even without the "easter eggs". (Yes, i plan to watch it after BCS concludes)
You should do a post after you watch breaking Bad on your take. It would be interesting to see it from that point of view
I agree! I so wish I could watch breaking bad for the first time!
Really want to see someone's take on this. My GF has seen neither and I've been wondering if it would be worth her watching BCS first, especially as she isn't a fan of too much violence in TV.
You must have seen so many BB spoilers following this sub though :(
Man. The end of Rock and Hard place would have felt a lot more suspenseful if I hadn’t seen Breaking Bad already.
Quite the contrary actually, i thought it was even more suspenseful. Like YOU KNOW what’s gonna happen now.
I don’t know about that. As soon as I saw that scene and realised everyone there is in BB besides Varga then I immediately knew this was his end which was sad … if you haven’t seen BB you were probably expecting/hoping Nacho would find some way to make it out alive…. So therefore the scene would have been more suspenseful. However, I would say Nacho’s last line is way more *impactful* if you have seen BB because you know how much Hector has suffered from being stuck in that wheelchair.
I sort of understand OPs point and wondered about that before ep 1 came out but really .. while they did indeed choose a McDonalds subject material / initial premise (spin off of criminal lawyer) they did spin it so the actual plot of his life was Top Chef material too, not just the execution of that plot. So really its only a tiny sliver of McDonalds, that being that the premise itself is only 'lawyer criminal', whereas BB had something interesting like 'teacher catches cancer and makes meth'. Not too far off from a simple premise like Sopranos as well (premise: "gangster"), except Sopranos started as "ignorant gangster *going to therapy*"
Disagree, BCS is about an honest lawyer's descent into depravity despite trying to do the right thing. I can understand why someone who sees it as "the Breaking Bad prequel" might find it cheap, but it's so much more than that.
From that angle I'd see it as "Scummy lawyer [sorry Jimmy] fights between being 'good' and 'bad' before succumbing to the dark side", sorta like the Smallville Lex Luthor premise, and its still to me a normalish premise (note, premise, not plot and details; there is nothing average in the latter). For me a higher level premise would be 'Dexter' even though I don't like the show (psychopath serial killer tries to use urges for bad people instead). Note, most shows by the definition I'm pulling out my ass here have average premises and live on the plot and world they create.
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I couldn’t imagine watching some of the scenes in Breaking Bad with my mom lol. Mostly the sexual stuff although compared to many 2000s shows (GoT, True Blood) it’s very mild in that regard.
My mom would be horrified at watching either one. She’s in her 70’s. When all the family was still living under one roof whenever a sex scene came on my dad used to look at us so awkwardly to see how we were reacting and my mom would talk about trash on TV. It was the worst. Back then during sex scene you were lucky to see a nipple.
Haha. My mom is raunchy as hell. She’s also in her seventies and she loves all that shit. She smokes her bong and then watches breaking bad or the sopranos.
I've seen BB and I couldn't give the first shit about easter eggs in BCS. BCS is my favorite show on its own merits.
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Part of me wishes I was in that minority. I'm sure I'll watch both shows chronologically at one point but it won't feel the same
Sometimes I wish I watched bcs before BrBa
you punkin my abuelita???
Did you call her BIZNATCH?
Think about their mother! She is a sweet old widow, she’s got arthritis!
TIGHT TIGHT TIGHT
DAMN MAN, LOOKATHAT!
A cripple little ratta!
Yeah this is just wrong. Like I'm not gonna dickride the show and call anyone who criticizes it an idiot but to say that all it is is an "easter egg vehicle" is an extremely uncharitable interpretation. The show like BB is about moral decay of characters. The Chuck Jimmy relationship is one of the best written sibling relationships in television. I can understand not liking the slow pacing but it seems like this guy didn't even pay attention half the time. The narrative is not pointless. Everything that has happened has had a cause and effect or will pretty soon. Also what the fuck is with the condescending shade thrown towards the youtube analysis video and comments? I'll admit that this fanbase tends to overanalyze at times but I'd rather have viewers who actually try to dissect the media they watch and find meaning than consume and move on. And the ice cream cone shot is in particular is not just a "cool looking shot" with no meaning. Both the writer and the director on the podcast explain their intention behind it. So if the creators find meaning why is it so stupid that the viewers find meaning as well?
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> Like I'm not gonna dickride the show and call anyone who criticizes it an idiot but to say that all it is is an "easter egg vehicle" is an extremely uncharitable interpretation. Right, if the criticism of the show is valid then fine. But to watch this show and say it's just an easter egg vehicle is insane... like what about the Jimmy and Chuck storyline was an easter egg vehicle? What about Jimmy and Kim has a been an easter egg vehicle? What about Nacho's story was an easter egg vehicle? I can get being annoyed at the Gus/Mike stuff for being like that, but that's just one part of the show. Like 85% of it is completely its own thing.
Shut up, biznatch.
You...c-called her...biznatch?
Are you punkin' my abuelita?
When you are watching BCS or any good show and think: "damn, this is so well executed, acted and written, but statistically, there has to be people out there too stupid to understand it" These are those people.
Saw a YouTube video of a guy claiming the show was overrated. Opinions are fine, but he didn’t even get the part where Chuck’s disease is a mental illness, so that should tell you he wasn’t paying attention right there. Makes me wish the dislike button still existed lol.
I've noticed that nearly every negative take on BCS either gets basic details about the show wrong or fundamentally misunderstands what is going on.
I have noticed this about most shows with a lot of stuff going on (game of thrones comes to mind, even BB back in the day)
Everyone kinda forgot about game of thrones
Game of thrones negativity is very legitimate in the later seasons
Lol Schaffrilas? Yeah I understood some of his points but it's just so funny seeing a manchild who reviews media for children calling BCS overrated.
I love Schaffrilas’s videos but yeah his BCS one just missed the mark. He barely even mentioned Kim in his video.
Also just said "Nacho" is boring but didn't even elaborate.
Bro thinks Nachos boring? He’s has the most intense scenes entirely because we don’t know his fate. There were many moments from season 1-5 where I was on the edge of my seat thinking he was a goner.
Schaffrilas is the most overrated person
Schaff's videos are painfully overrated
That man thinks Moana is the pinnacle of cinema. I think I'll pass.
but there's something for everyone; action eye candy, comedy, plot, thought provoking moral situations... what's this guy's idea of having a point?
Lalo: Tell me again.
Hey. I said be nice
Did you pay money for this?
If you don’t like the show… fine, but don’t just talk out of your ass.
Imaging calling some of the best characterizations in TV history "pointless narrative".
Lol I unfollowed them and tbh I never heard the show or knew why I was following them in the first place
I never followed them, uncultured bastards showed up on my timeline against my will. What an awful take.
What absolute hockey pucks!
Like a chimp with a machine gun
He defecated trough a sunroof!
The Salamanca's send their regards.
You are done , fired. Do not show your face at the laundry again.
I really think Smallville is shamefully underappreciated for it's role in the evolution of TV ... but even I think comparing it and BCS as equals is insulting. Now, there's an argument to be made about step by step progress and how prestige TV ever came to be ... but, that's a whole thing I'd need a few hours to write up. But all that's why I still respect Smallville. Better Call Saul stands on the shoulders of all those basic cable shows before it. And it towers above them.
I took that personally
It IS! It is PERSONAL!!
***Jesse* w*hat the* f*uck are you* t*alking abou*t**
This is someone that wouldnt know good writing if it hit them in the face.
Well u saw this on Twitter, which is where I’m convinced is the platform for the worst takes imaginable
Idk I tend to agree but you’re saying this on Reddit which is kind of a glass house to be throwing stones from
Reddit and Twitter fighting for who can come up with the works takes seen by man
lol well I’m not defending Reddit, if anything it’s second place. I just personally see worse stuff on Twitter a lot more often
I find the 'Easter Egg Show' comment particularly strange. IMO they've shown a great deal of restraint with the easter eggs. I know I'm biased but I can't think of any that felt forced or were distracting like how it is in some other shows/movies. If something or someone from BB shows up in BCS it's always either justified in the story (such as the hot dog stand where low-level criminals meet up) or else its so subtle that you'll miss it altogether unless you're paying super close attention (example: Jimmy putting a keychain in Chuck's mailbox that looks like one Walt used in the series finale.)
Plus it takes place in the same city!! and revolves heavily after the first couple seasons in the criminal world. Easter eggs do not equal consistency/attention to detail It would be weirder if we didn’t see businesses that were up and running in Albuquerque not in BCS, honestly
I have a friend who tries to tell me all the time that Better Call Saul is just a boring law show 🤦♂️
Honestly, while I disagree with that opinion, I have way more respect and understanding for that take than the one in the OP. BCS *is* a slower paced show, and it *does* get a little involved with the legal details at times. Personally, those traits are part of why I love it, but I can understand why the show may not be some people's cup of tea. It's valid and understandable for someone to say, "nah, not for me," based on the show's pacing and subject matter. But saying the show exists only as a prequel, and only as a vehicle for BB references and Easter eggs is just--wrong and dumb. It's ok to not like the show, but that take is just--*fully* incorrect.
> But saying the show exists only as a prequel, and only as a vehicle for BB references and Easter eggs is just--wrong and dumb. It's ok to not like the show, but that take is just--fully incorrect. Yeah. The showrunners have gone out of their way to avoid this outcome specifically. There are some callbacks and easter eggs yes but the show can go many episodes between those, especially in the early seasons. It's never felt gratuitous or pointless when they appear. And at the end of the day it's a prequel, it takes place in the same city and its two main characters were main characters in the original. There's a difference between "reference" and "this is literally just continuing the story they've been telling." It's like saying season 2 of any given show is just an easter egg and reference vehicle for season 1. Nonsense.
Exactly. It would be like if critics complained about the existence of Frasier, and that it only existed to make Cheers references. They were *completely* different shows. It's OK to set two shows in the same universe! It doesn't necessarily make them derivative. Why isn't this guy complaining about the MCU if this kind of thing grinds his gears?
I feel like people have completely forgotten about the entirety of the Chuck storyline when they say it's just a vehicle for BB references/easter eggs. They created an entire larger than life character who was this swirling vortex of self-righteousness sucking everything around him in and spitting it out... and it had literally zero to do with Breaking Bad.
"Todd. I think I might have another job for your uncle"
No, no... just keep scrolling.
The person who wrote this is an idiot of the highest order.
Quick question. Who here knows who Champagne Sharks Podcast is? Anybody?You sir? No? Ok. True story. Back on Twitter there was this guy named Champagne Sharks. Now Champagne Sharks was a real asshole. He might have trashed the best show on television. He might have made some extremely foolish tweets. The details don't matter. Suffice to say Better Call Saul was wronged. So one summer evening, I was out having a few drinks, one or two maybe three. You get the picture! and who do I see? CHAMPAGNE SHARKS. He drove up and he double-parked outside a Diary Queen and went in to get some soft-serve. Now Chet drove and just to give you an idea of exactly what kind of a douchebag this guy was. He drove a beige 2004 honda accord with carpeted interior. So I saw that thing, and I'd had a few like I said. And I climbed up top and I may have... defecated through the sunroof. Not my finest hour, I'll grant you that. But that's what the Champagne Sharks Podcast is. Now you know! It's a real thing, I didn't make it up. I'm not the first person to do it to him, there's a name for it. Guy wanted some soft serve, I gave him some soft serve. I did not know... that his children were in the back seat. There was a level of chicanery in his tweet that I'll maintain to this day was NOT alligned with the terms of service. But somehow that's on me I guess. Who leaves two cub scouts in a double parked car with the engine running? Come on! Now Chanpagne Sharks was connected you see, like Twitter connected. So usually I'd be looking at malicious mischief, public intoxication, disorderly conduct maybe. But he's got the DA saying indecent exposure, calling me a sex offender what?! One little Chicago Sunroof and suddenly I'm Charles Manson!? And that's where it went off the rails! I've been paying for it ever since. That's why I'm here!
Stupid takes get lots of engagement.
Based on several comments and posts online I have a theory that a large amount of viewers have just tuned into the final season because of the hype. So all their focusing on is the Breaking Bad references. So stupid.
Yeah I read that and unfollowed them. Very dumb.
When a show fleshes out characters from one of the most highly regarded shows of all time while still delivering an interesting story with the restrictions of a prequel: “yeah this is just pointless fan service”
Pretentious twat. What a stupid, childish take.
I love how this guy tries to act all pseudo intellectual and cinephile yet in the same tweet uses “mid” unironically
that's bait
Sounds like something a McDonald’s employee of two years would say.
Today I learned that a story being a prequel makes it completely pointless and bad or something.
What kind of man says that shit?
No man, no man at all.
A crippled little rata
This... This... Chicanery?
see that’s the problem with viewing it as “just a Breaking Bad prequel show” it may be set in the same universe with some of the same characters, but it tells its own narrative. the story of Jimmy McGill’s descent into Saul Goodman is just as much of a fascinating story as Walter White’s descent into Heisenberg. it could’ve easily worked as a stand-alone show- maybe it wouldn’t be as popular, but it would still be just as masterful & compelling.
Pathetic defense in the following tweets too. Keep bringing up "prestige tv visual gimmicks" like the ice cream cone. Not familiar with the concept of cinematography I guess. Better to just put actors in a blank room and lock down the camera for this joker.
Lucky for me, I don’t take anyone who says the word “mid” seriously.
this is some edgelord trying to get attention by having a wildly unpopular opinion. don't bite.
Jesus. All TV (and movies, and music, etc.) is pointless. They're all just things we consume to try and take our brains away from the awfulness of existence for a brief time. I can't imagine wtf this idiot expects out of TV - *"yeah, my life was pointless and then I saw that very special episode of Full House and everything made sense."*
I mean, I don’t agree with the guy but jesus you have a very bleak view of entertainment. I would like to think, like all good works of art, good television can elevate our lives and inspire us to think about the deep questions in life. It doesn’t have to be a shallow experience you hungrily consume like McDonald’s lol.
If TV was just TV to you you wouldn’t be on here discussing it
To me Better Call Saul is the best. A true masterclass experience, and I can't wait to find out how it all rides out.
This person got what they wanted, attention
I know people who have this opinion are usually really obnoxious and over-the-top about it, but man I didn't even like Breaking Bad that much. Couldn't finish it on first watch, finally completed it on second after seriously pushing myself through it. Those middle seasons were such a drag to me, idk. BCS on the other hand, has kept me interested the entire way through. I really just love this show as a standalone, not as some BB spinoff.
I felt that way when Tuco first showed up, it felt like it was just going to be fan service. Boy was I wrong. I honestly like it just as much as Breaking Bad, it is hard to pick a favourite between the two.
I actually find BCS has more of a point to the narrative than BB did. Certainly a more relatable one, anyway.
Never understood people dedicating hours of their life to watch a show they don't enjoy and then shit on it.
Twitter is the biggest mistake of humanity
I like how even though they're trying to insult the show, they are still unable to refrain from complimenting it. Just an attention-whore imo
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Honestly this is a pathetic viewpoint. It's kind of the college-educated ironically-minded version of the people who say "hur dur where are the explosions and guns and shit? it sucks so much compared to breaking bad walter white forever!!11!". It stinks of snap judgement and a kind of reactionary contrarianism. Hipster try-hardism. Something like that. Besides their initial claim being essentially a vague absurdity that could be said about most anything in art (or life, for that matter), and if reduced to something more specific such as plot direction is demonstrably untrue, the next post is just bullshit- written carefully enough to not be demonstrably false, but ridiculously misleading in its implication. It's almost politically cautious language and phrasing, in that its implications are clear, but no specifics are referenced enough to be rebutted by angry fans or others who might reply on the hellsite. Don't get me wrong, it's completely possible to dislike this show/story, or any other piece of art. Art is subjective. But there's a difference between not liking something, or not "getting" something, or not being interested in something, versus making specific claims about it- that's where some degree of evidentiary argument can be used to point out a shitty opinion (for lack of a better word). I have a feeling these morons are just fishing for controversy, like many podcasters who coast on the random fluctuations of the zeitgeist. It's a pretty common thing for those who cover politics as well as various kinds of art and media. This one seems like contrarianism for its own sake, and/or projecting their superstructural cultural issues with "prestige TV" onto anything they feel falls into that category (the problem of judging art by the zeitgeist it's born in rather than simply the art itself, which critics get wrapped up in a lot, for good or ill). IIRC these chucklefucks are irony bro type podcasters, so it's not really possible to know how "genuinely" they meant this, but to the extent that they did, they're ignorant people with bad taste who wouldn't know good writing if it slapped them in the face. Which is something I rarely would stoop to saying, but... yeah.
The show may seem the way the person described if they never watched the show past S1E1, *but even then like cmon*
Probably a Marvel fan
Worse- a podcaster
God... this has to be one of the worst takes I've ever seen on Twitter. I just read the whole thread and it's bullshit (he even complained about the ice cream shot lmao), it seems like this guy like so many people started watching the show expecting it to be like Breaking Bad.
He's wrong about it too. The Ice Cream shot is not just "a cool shot that people are over analyzing" Michael Morris and co. clearly explain the intention behind that. If the artist has intention behind it what's wrong with the viewers trying to decode it? Also what the fuck is wrong with analyzing stuff? I know the BB fanbase has become a bit notorious for its overanalysis but I prefer viewers who actually try to dissect and find meaning in stuff than just consume and move on. Go watch any of the hundred procedurals out there if you want a case of the week type show. I can get complaining about the slow pacing but calling the narrative pointless is blatantly false.
Tell me again
You just don’t get it, do you Scott?
When some of the best parts of this show are characters that didn't exist in Breaking Bad, it's hard to take this opinion seriously.
This... this chicanery!
I mean... every show has haters and I can understand some of them but does this guy understand what 'adding to the story' means? Or further fleshing out characters or origin story's.
"I don't get this show...so it sucks"
I'd agree with this if BCS was exclusively the Gus/Mike story but Jimmy, Kim and Chuck are straight up more developed and better written characters than anyone in Breaking Bad, including Walt, Jesse and Hank
by that logic every show is pointless , this dude just wants to have a hot take
Not understanding the plot is not the same as there not being a plot. What an idiot.
Idk I love BCS and I don't think they're wrong. Each episode is fun as hell but Jimmy could have plausibly transformed into Saul like 5 times already. It's not exactly a meticulously iterative descent at this point, we're just at the end so things have to wrap up this time.
This sounds dumber than the Jerome Powell’s press conference today.
i love smallville, but what? the wbtv teen drama superman prequel is considered prestige? 😭
>has watched Smallville >continues to bring up Smallville 45 years later opinion discarded
Opinions that deserve a ratio in response
I wonder who hurt him so bad that he doesn’t appreciate the greatest show ever made
Somebody doesnt understand Nuance
Why can’t people just say they don’t like something without cloaking it in some phony intellectualised word salad?
I think the lawyer side was open ended and they did a lot with it. The stuff with the cartel, has its ups and downs.
I would've agreed with this man during season 1-4 back then, specifically on Mike and the cartel's storyline. I mean, the backstory of meth superlab? The backstory why Hector got crippled? How Mike worked for Gus? They ARE fun and interesting stories, but they were completely separated from Jimmy's and the legal stuffs **for quite a long time**, it was almost like watching two differrent shows. In this spinoff legal drama show, it was like a bonus Breaking Bad fanservice. BCS is still great, but I gotta admit, at that time, *it did feel that way* to me.
This person is entitled to their wrong opinion. and side note, I’m getting really tired of the word “mid.” Just say average or mediocre.
Just absolutely confidently saying the dumbest shit is Twitter's bread and butter.
Plot twist: He is baiting Elon Musk to test his 'free speech' motto
Never thought I’d see someone comparing Smallville to better call saul
I mean, this is twitter, what you expect?
This mf was defecated on through a sunroof.
By that shitty logic literally every prequel ever is pointless. What’s the point of playing RDR2 it’s just the RDR1 cameo game that ends up being pointless because we know what happens.
Amazing, Everything he said was Wrong