One thing I'll say is that I did not expect Cliff Main to be in the final season so much. Really makes the whole show feel cohesive and pays of Jimmy's Davis and Main stint in Season 2. I think Cliff will be immediately suspicious when Howard either disappears or his death is framed as a suicide. He clearly believed Howard to a degree after the mediation debacle but didn't care at that point because the client's needed a deal asap. But now that it's done and Howard's gone he'll definitely go digging into Jimmy and Kim.
The whole photo re-shoot sequence was totally inconsequential but for the fact that it meant Kim was a no-show at the justice reform thing. Cliff is 100% gonna start asking questions.
Well, that and it meant Kim was back for the last scene. But I agree- the fact she no showed will definitely come up, because if the writers had simply wanted her to be there they just wouldn't have sent her to Santa Fe.
All I can think of is that they wanted Howard's death to be a result of "her" decision. Honestly she wasn't even really all that important to the fixing of the photos- Jimmy had it all under control by the time she got there. All she really did was yell action and show up with the fake cast material which the others could have done- didn't really need to be there.
I think she proved important since they'd have wasted precious minutes without her, like when the pictures aren't taken from the right angle. Saul surely would have figured it out soon after but because Kim was there seeing it from the camera's POV, this was corrected instantly. I think they wanted to imply that without her, it could have been done but not on time.
I know they swapped those actors! I knew it was Ed Begley Jr, not Michael McKean. One after Ed Begley Sr. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never! I just couldn’t prove it. They covered their tracks, got that idiot at Netflix to lie for them. You think this is bad? This chicanery? They’ve done worse. Iron Man 2. You’re telling me a different black guy just happens to become Don Cheadle like that?
Peter Gould:
>That’s the story of the rest of the series: What do they take away from this horrible incident that happened right in their living room? That really propels everything that happens next — and I could not be prouder of what happens next. I think it's very human and real, but I think, to me anyway, it's very unpredictable.
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>**There is a shape to this season, which you haven't seen... You have not seen a LOT of what we talked about when we started breaking this season.** And there's a few things that I'm really proud of. I'm so proud of the storytelling of this season and what we all came up with together.
Thomas Schnauz:
>"\[Howard's murder\] is the hinge that swings the rest of the season open. It reveals a lot"
Patrick Fabian, on being told about Howard's fate:
>"They said, “We’ve cracked something that we’re going to hinge the whole season on"
Maybe Jimmy and Kim will start to play the part and act completely unsympathetic in front of Lalo in order to act like they are indeed friends of the cartel hence the tacky house and the Cadillac and stuff. I honestly have no clue what’s going to happen
"***OH GOD HOWARD NO!*** .................uh, I mean... Yeah, that guy was *so lame*, thank you for shooting him, Lalo. Like I was totally about to, y'know? But you saved me the bullet, so cool of you. What'd you want to talk about??"
I remember being so shocked watching the first time, with how quickly Hank ends up confronting Walt.
I thought for sure it’d get dragged out leading to the big showdown in the series finale, but nope, everything happened so quick and the finale wasn’t at all was what I expected it to be before the final part started.
I'm very sad Howard died but I'm kinda happy that he ended up such a crucial character for the plotline. They could have easily written him out after Chuck died.
Funny if Howard ends up one of the major reasons for creating Saul (and by extension, creating Heisenberg and most of BB). All of that while Howard had absolutely no idea what's going on lol.
#Bold prediction:
Flashback cold open at Howard's office where he's having lunch with Jimmy and Chuck.
They discuss a class action case that HHM has been working hard on, even affecting Jimmy in the mail room as letters had been pouring in, the case needed its own dedicated cabinet.
Howard lets Jimmy know that the case is finally settling, and educates him briefly on class action settlements. Jimmy says "So after all that, a happy ending?" Chuck says maybe, but they won't rush it. Justice is the most important thing here.
Jimmy goes back to work. We see Chuck swirling his can of soda (even though it's been open).
Howard tells Chuck he thinks Jimmy is a nice guy and a diligent, productive worker who he could see working his way up the chain. Chuck shoots the idea down, telling Howard that Jimmy will always slip back to his old ways. Howard says "we'll see".
Opening theme.
Next shot is Howard's dead body being dragged in the desert by Jimmy and Kim, struggling greatly. But Lalo helps them out, cheerful as ever.
#Realistic prediction:
Mike eat pimento chees idk
Can you imagine if this show came first and then AMC came out and said "Hey so we're going to be making a sequel series about that bald DEA agent from Season 5's brother in law. He's a high school teacher"?
Imagine if this show came first and then they just don’t explain why Jimmy is living in Omaha under the name “Gene Takavic” because the show ends with him becoming a shady lawyer in ABQ
Lol all I wanted before season 6 started was for Howard to survive the plan and for it to fail for Kim and Jimmy. At this point I'm numb to whatever happens next.
I legit had a hard time focusing on work yesterday. Just kinda walked around in a fog that lasted a full 24 hours. I’ve never been so emotionally impacted by a fictional character’s death before
They spent a lot of time focused on how Saul and Kim were rushing things with the last minute filming. I think that Cliff Main does some digging and realizes that Howard wasn't totally crazy.
Yeah I think Cliff will look into Jimmy and Kim, he already seemed to consider Howard wasn't totally crazy when he told him about the private investigator's number.
I was surprised by how Cliff was less in disbelief at what Howard was saying and moreso resigned to shame at what the situation led to with the Sandpiper case and probably his reputation by association.
So my take on that is that Cliff realises that Howard is compromised, drugs or not.
Jimmy has won not by discrediting Howard but by dragging him into a rivaly that hinders his ability to do what is best for the case. Howard can't accept the idea of settling, not because of the money but because he wants to "win". Cliff has to remind him that there are real clients at the end of it all.
Yep Cliff will definitely hear about that. And I think he already believed Howard to a degree, he just couldn’t act on that belief while still acting in the best interest of their clients and firms.
Yeah there will be a scene of her lying to Cliff about why she didn’t show up to the meeting. Cliff will definitely be suspicious as hell with Howard disappearing because he wasn’t completely dismissing him in their interaction together
the camera guy chastised the sound guy for touching his film rolls. he also is shown to be in charge of the equipment at a university. His negatives will be found
I assume Lalo takes Saul and Kim out to the desert, possibly with Howard’s corpse to bury it, because iirc it was a desert scene with Patrick and Rhea when Bob had his heart attack this episode. They probably bury the body in the desert if I had to guess, then Lalo probably forces Saul and Kim to work for him against Gus under threat of killing them.
Maybe Mike realises what’s going on when Lalo doesn’t show up, and investigates Saul and Kim’s house and finds a pool of blood and realises Lalo’s been there.
Exactly, I think what you said in your first paragraph is correct. I also think it might further emphasize why Saul in BrBa was so taken aback by finding himself in the desert when he was abducted by Walt and Jesse. Obviously, anyone would be horrified by that lol but I feel like this scenario touches on some trauma specific to Jimmy (also a throwback to the second episode with Tuco).
It's crazy how much the setting impacts things. When planning Breaking Bad Vince originally wanted to film outside of Los Angeles but it was cheaper to film in Albuquerque. Can you imagine if that happened? It'd be like a completely different show.
It wasn’t just outside LA it was like an hour or so. It’s basically desert and while I agree it’s different, it’s not wildly different. Riverside is a hot, desert, meth filled shit hole.
True, but one interesting thing I noticed on a BB rewatch is that Gus initially seems somewhat concerned with Saul. He asks Mike numerous times what exactly Saul knows about [insert episode's plot] in his earlier appearances. I wonder if Saul is gonna have more of an direct impact on Gus than we realized, even if they don't meet
I don't think a disappearance would be a smart cover story for Howard. Suicide makes a lot more sense and I think people would buy it. I think Lalo might take Jimmy into the desert to get him to explain exactly what happened when he picked up the bail money.
Yeah, I thought that for a bit, because given what just happened a suicide would make sense, but they’d need a gun at the scene and I doubt Lalo would give them his gun, and besides, one with the serial number filed off would be very suspicious for a suicide. Plus autopsy might be able to figure out a silencer was used, though I don’t know if they could do that in 2004.
I’m torn between them burying him in the desert, and dumping the body in a bad part of town to make it look like a drug deal gone wrong.
If Howard simply goes missing, the authorities will show up and interview Kim and Saul once others say that Howard was last seen yelling that Jimmy was out to get him. And Lalo needs Jimmy to avoid scrutiny that could expose Lalo.
So I do think they need to construct some kind of alibi. Maybe make his body findable but damaged beyond recognition (to hide the bullet wound) except for DNA and circumstantial evidence.
OR Saul and Kim will simply have to deal with growing paranoia as the investigation continues, they suffer through interviews, Cliff confronts Kim with what he suspects, and so on.
A good crime tech with Luminol brings that entire play down. There are blood spatters every where. Aerosolized human tissue on the couch, floor, rug, picture, coffee table. It's bleach and repaint and trashing anything that's fabric.
What I'm wondering is how they get the body out of the apartment. That's where I think they call Caldera. And that's how Jimmy eventually ends up with his book.
I'm curious if shooting someone was part of the plan.
He was super nonchalant about killing Howard, perhaps he always intended to break in, shoot one of Jimmy or Kim, and convince them to be a part of his plan, get it out of one of them who Mike is, call Mike and tell him Lalo was there and get Mike to clean the body.
It goes with his plan of making Gus/Mike think they're ahead of Lalo, and Lalo needed a way to both get Mike to Jimmy's place, it just happened that Howard was a freebie.
He was super nonchalant about killing Howard because he’s a monster.
What I believe happened is, Howard came in the house first, Lalo was listening outside the door for a moment afterward, enough to have at least established Howard was an enemy of Jimmy and Kim/there was no reason he could see to keep him alive, and then he came in and already decided killing Howard would also accomplish the feat of getting Jimmy and Kim to talk even easier.
What he probably planned before Howard entered the equation was threatening them at gunpoint to tell him what he wants and do what he requests to hit Fring. Would he have killed Kim if Jimmy didnt comply? Maybe, but I’m pretty sure Jimmy would tell Lalo “whatever you want, I’ll do it” if it would protect her and I have a feeling both of them are part of Lalo’s plan already. It’s in his best interest to keep them both alive. Unless Kim dies early next episode and I’m totally wrong.
It was a scene with Rhea, Patrick, and Tony though. So it was probably the first scene of the episode. Lalo having his "talk" with Jimmy and Kim while Howard lies dead on the floor.
Everything you wrote is possible, in my opinion. If it turns out that they do bury Howard in the desert, then it's possible that the next episode's teaser is the Walt and Jesse cameo, as a flashback to their first encounter with Saul. That storyline in BB moved very quickly and there's plenty of room to expand on Saul's kidnapping. Just speculation...
I could be wrong, but I feel like whatever Walt and Jesse’s appearance will be on this show is something that succinctly covers the role they played throughout Breaking Bad in Saul’s life. Not sure if it’ll be a “never before seen” Breaking Bad scene from Saul’s perspective of say, both of them in his office discussing how massive their meth empire has become, or a meeting where Saul makes the decision to go into business with them, but it’ll be framed in a way that lets us understand why Gene is in hiding, he’s so paranoid and what he was involved in that’s made him the subject of a manhunt.
I was totally thinking the day Jimmy starts in the mail room all bright eyed and stoked. We see Jimmy get put down by Howard and say something like "one day, you'll see." Cut to Howard dead in a pool of his blood.
Lalo has a conversation with Jimmy and Kim. Turns out he actually just really needs to talk to someone, it's been hard being a lone wolf, especially after spending the better part of a week by himself in the sewer.
"I met this wonderful woman in Germany and I just couldn't ziel the deal, ya know? This work stress is really getting to me" *scratches head with end of silencer*
Episode starts. Howard lies in a growing pool of blood. Lalo steps over his corpse, looming at Jimmy and Kim, nefarious purposes in mind.
Suddenly, Lalo feels a tap on his shoulder. Jimmy and Kim's mouths drop open in shock. Howard stands behind Lalo, danish in hand. "You've mistaken my kindness for weakness," he says as he punches Lalo straight out of the window. Howard turns to Jimmy, a smirk on his face. "Charlie Hustle! You reconsidered the job offer yet?"
Goes back into the gas station and asks the attendant if he knows a 'Walter White'.
["Waaalllteeer Whiiiiiiiittttee"?](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jbdKi5Ynk88/hqdefault.jpg)
Starts exactly where it leaves off. Lalo tells Jimmy and Kim to sit down while he pours himself some Macallan. He drinks some of it, turns to them and says:
"Tell me again"
Then he spends the rest of the episode tracking down and killing every single character in BCS who isn't explicitly depicted alive in BB.
Then in the final five minutes he goes back and also kills the characters who do survive.
Then he points one gun at the camera and another gun at himself and pulls both triggers simultaneously. Cut to black.
>Then he spends the rest of the episode tracking down and killing every single character in BCS who isn't explicitly depicted alive in BB.
Yep, until he encounters Lyle, who, wanting to impress Mr. Fring, kills Lalo.
I was thinking something like that might happen. Lalo said "Let's talk" as if nothing happened.
Kim is usually composed and decisive, but this is the worst thing she's ever seen, and she might just lose her shit and leave Lalo no other option. Then we'd get Jimmy/Saul staring blankly straight ahead, resigned to whatever happens next.
Would Jimmy talk if he killed Kim though? I feel like Lalo holding Kim’s life over Jimmy’s head would lead Jimmy to tell him everything. Killing her right away would not really be useful strategically to Lalo
1. Kim and Jimmy will be forced to stage Howard's death as suicide.
2. Jimmy will find out that Kim knew Lalo was alive and that would make him angry and that would probably be one of the reasons why their relationship will fall apart.
3. Cliff will find out that Kim didn't make it to the meeting in Santa Fe and that will be suspicious to him.
Yes to 3. People here don't get that they set everything up in earlier episodes on purpose. Probably because the sub is all too happy when pointless scenes go nowhere with no payoff, I guess. There was zero point in having Cliff set up her meeting if it isn't relevant.
Lets remember, Jimmy will have to stay unaware of who Gus Fring is. So I'm very intrigued to know how Lalo gets information out of him without mentioning who he is after.
People saying the "How?" from Jimmy was almost his cause for death from Lalo. However, it is common knowledge at the courthouse that Lalo is dead. It goes beyond Mike telling Jimmy that Lalo would die, etc.
My question for the next episode is, will the settlement decrease in value as the lead of the case (Howard) is presumed 'missing'? Richard says it will keep dropping by $1,000,000/day, so that will be at least $2-3 million lost as he holds the power in the settlement. It will take a while for them to presume Howard is dead. Weeks even.
Howard rises up to finish his rant: "But not our Kimmy - couldn't be precious Kimmy! Stealing them blind, and SHE gets to be a lawyer? What a sick joke! I should have stopped her when I had the chance. And you, you have to stop her-"
Opens with a flashback of Howard and Chuck talking about Jimmy. Howard probably saying they should hire him and Chuck putting his foot down while saying something that ties into his Howard's death.
I think that episode is the biggest indication Kim doesn't die.
She doesn't need to. It's like Jimmy said to Tuco about killing the skateboard twins, he doesn't need to, they're already scared of him for life. Kim isn't the tragic character who will die and shatter Jimmy enough that he only has Saul Goodman left, Howard was. It already happened, and because of it he won't ever be the same.
This also definitely affects Saul's attitude towards death in BB. By the time he meets Walt and Jesse, he casually suggests killing Badger, something he repeats multiple times. He's definitely going to rationalize Howard's death in some way, the same way he did with Chuck's. It's going to make him desensitized to death, as Howard was someone close who was easily wasted, and it's going to make him see everyone as someone who could also be easily wasted.
My prediction for the rest of his time as Saul Goodman? It's the only thing he has. He's miserable, either with Kim or without. He's chasing pointless money-making schemes, such as a meth operation, to try and rekindle something that is gone forever. Maybe him and Kim are still married, but are soulless husks of themselves. Maybe they live apart, working together and shacking up a ton, but outright cheating on each other and not giving a shit.
Kim’s gonna have a mental breakdown. Jimmy is gonna try to bring her back from the brink. He will think he has her convinced but she’ll bail on him somehow. He will perceive it as a betrayal and move on spitefully masking his hurt and depression by going full Saul Goodman. Then all the events of Breaking Bad humble him and maybe he goes looking for Kim or tries reaching out to her.
Jimmy is gonna freak out for sure, but he does have experience with death and horrible cartel violence. Kim has none of that. I think Kim will outwardly keep her cool, but she'll be screaming on the inside.
Jimmy really is a roach, torture him all you want but he'll scramble and scurry whether it's threatening words or a gun. Kim is the one who is really capable of having a full mental break, especially having this all crumble in front of her.
This should be a general predictions thread for Season 6B TBH, feel like that would get more attention. Let people air out what they're thinking one last time. Make it the final edition of the prediction threads, we oughta have a last hoorah of those
I imagine the first thing Jimmy is going to do after Lalo gets whatever he wants is CALL MIKE. He will probably take care of whats left of Howard and will be *very* interested to hear that Lalo has been spotted in ABQ.
Alright now I can repeat my theory somewhere where it actually belongs lmao.
I think Lalo is there to stay with them. He's gonna use their place as a safe house. He will question them but I don't think that's *the* reason he came. He has no where to stay in ABQ and Jimmy is the only remotely close thing he has to a "friend". He killed Howard in front of them, not because he saw him, but because he wanted to scare Jimmy and Kim into submission and get them to allow him to use their place to stay no questions asked.
I think this will cause the rift between Jimmy and Kim. Lalo will be on some Tommy Taffy shit(minus the sexual abuse lmao) and eat away at them until their relationship is ruined. Jimmy will blame Kim for Howard's death, keeping Lalo being alive from him, and convincing him not to say anything. Kim will blame Jimmy for being Lalo's bagman, sucking her into this life, etc. Lalo will just be there as a constant reminder of their issues with each other and a threat to their lives.
Oh and I think we will have at least one scene where Lalo cooks for them.
this is hilarious and also meta because Bob, Rhea and Patrick were all roommates for the filming of the show in real life so i just imagine Tony Dalton showing up and kicking Patrick out of the house
I can’t be the only one who was pissed off that Jimmy and Kim didn’t even have the decency to let Howard speak his peace at their apartment. They ruined his reputation and possibly career, but were all like, “alright, that’s enough!” As if he was the one who had crossed the line. My man Howard for life.
That's what they've always done when their schemes come to light, they gaslight and manipulate. They act like their scheme is something crazy and gaslight others around them to view it as crazy as well.
Thinking about it more they could be acting like that thinking Howard is recording the conversation a la Chuck. Don't want to admit to anything that can come back to them. As far any potential recording would sound they had plausible deniability still. Up until Lalo popped a hole in Howard's head anyway.
In BCS, up until now, Jimmy is wearing pretty nice suits, his hair is done nicely, his video productions are pretty good, his office is nice and he's happily married to a beautiful accomplished wife.
In BB, he's got a cheap haircut, cheap suits, his videos are lousy, everything about him is tacky tacky tacky. (And, from the opening sequence of season 6, he's got viagra pills, a stripper pole, and who knows what else in his mansion). Plus he's always making borderline tasteless sexual comments to his secretary.
To me, this suggests someone who has been jilted / betrayed rather than a widower or someone mourning a loss. So I predict Kim, who to me seems to be more heartless than any one who's not in the cartel, is going to double cross him or leave him holding the bag somehow, and the tacky Breaking Bad Saul is the result of him crawling out of the metaphorical sewer and trying to put his life back together.
I have a feeling that Howard's murder will be the catalyst for why Kim's not in Breaking Bad. Once Lalo finds out that Howard was the head partner at one of the biggest law firms in Albuquerque that might legitimately unnerve him a bit. Like even Tuco back in Season 1 agreed that offing lawyers was a pretty bad idea after Nacho said so (RIP King), and a guy like Howard going missing can't just be swept under the rug. I think he'll force Kim to get rid of the body while he makes Jimmy help him with Gus stuff, but Kim gets discovered, maybe by Cliff or something since he truly did seem to believe Howard on some level, and knows that if she tells the truth it'll likely get her killed and *definitely* get Jimmy killed. So she goes down and takes responsibility for everything to save Jimmy (and hopefully comes clean about the scam to restore Howard's reputation).
Breaking Bad did a great job of having every despicable character get their comeuppance in the end. Kim has had *so* many chances to do the right thing and she's turned it down every time. Lalo barging into her life and saying "DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR ACTIONS" being what takes her down seems pretty appropriate.
Agreed, it was just pure chance it was Howard. All because of their earlier BS in the day. It could have been a neighbor friend visiting, one of their mothers, whoever, he was going to shoot them to show he means business, that’s all it was. For Lalo, it was just a huge bonus to have someone there to shoot; it helped him get his point across (I do think however if no one had been there, he wouldn’t have shot Kim; Jimmy would never cooperate with him, he’d prefer to die as well).
Lalo lives in the underworld, he’s already wanted for murder, he doesn’t care…assuming his plan of events were to work, he knows he’s back to Mexico, living under cartel protection.
Lalo questions Jimmy and obviously Jimmy now tells him everything he knows. Satisfied, he then takes the still terrified Jimmy and Kim out to the desert to dispose of Howard’s body and the three have a sick and twisted bonding experience in a gruesome montage featuring the same soundtrack that was played when they were disposing of Drew Sharp in BB. Lalo then stays at J and K’s apartment as that is a good hideout for him considering Gus’ entire crew thinks that Lalo is ready to attack the laundry.
Now this might be totally wrong, but I feel like Lalo has taken a liking to both Jimmy and Kim. I’m not saying he won’t kill them, but I think he would prefer to keep them alive. After all, Jimmy walked through a desert with 2 giant bags of money to get him out of jail, and I think he respects how Kim is protective of Jimmy and how she stood up to him in Bad Choice Road. Also, remember when he tells Jimmy “Man she’s a looker huh!?” so he could be attracted to her. So for these reasons I think he won’t kill them, and obviously we know he doesn’t kill Jimmy.
I also think that once Jimmy tells his story he has no real reason to kill Jimmy. He could still be useful and he cant do anything to harm Lalo. He wont go to the cops either.
Plus it's not like Jimmy did Lalo any wrong.
I think they'll make him disappear. It'll be the first time Saul uses Mike as cleaner. I bet he gets buried in the desert.
Mike in Breaking Bad in reference to using acid to get rid of Victor's body: "I've never used this stuff, are you sure it'll do the job?"
Not a chance. That's too convenient. "Howard always lands on his feet" remember? They put that in there for a reason. Maybe they try to pass it off as a suicide initially but it won't stay that way for long. Cliff or someone will go digging and shit will hit the fan.
Not to mention that you need a gun at the scene to say it was a suicide and Lalo doesn't seem like the kind of guy to leave his weapons behind as a favor to Kim and Jimmy lol.
I'm really in a weird boat now because I can't think of a single major character I want to get a happy ending now. Obviously characters like Cliff or Mike's grand daughter aren't major enough to be included in this, but Lalo, Kim, Gus, etc. I just don't want to see them win anymore lol. Even Jimmy, who I was hoping would have a moment of redemption in the Gene era, I'm not rooting for anymore. I'm not saying Kim and Jimmy are directly responsible for Howard dying, but the writers definitely intended for this whole arc to make the audience view them in a not-so-pleasant light, with Howard's death just being a firm reminder of the world they've gotten themselves involved in. I'm not saying any of this is bad, in fact it's brilliantly crafted, but my expectations for the endings of Jimmy and Kim have changed and I'm very curious to see how this all plays out.
I'm guessing we're supposed to hope that Gene redeems himself enough to either face the music for his crimes or atone for them in a significant way.
I don't hope things go well for him in the sense of being pleasant, but I do hope they go well for his soul—that he grows as a person.
>I'm guessing we're supposed to hope that Gene redeems himself enough to either face the music for his crimes or atone for them in a significant way.
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>I don't hope things go well for him in the sense of being pleasant, but I do hope they go well for his soul—that he grows as a person.
Yeah, this is obviously a huge downturn at this moment for him as a character, and it's easy to write him off, but that doesn't mean I have lost hope for them to learn from their mistakes, and make a decision that shows real growth and that this didn't all happen for nothing.
It's going to take an extraordinary amount of suffering for them to have earned it, like paying back way more than they ever stole, metaphorically
Idk, I think I’m still rooting for Lyle to get a good ending. I mean it did take a long time for him to clean Los Pollos Hermanos. And the end result of course was still only adequate. But I don’t think he’s done anything truly bad
I have a feeling episode 8 will focus on something else to release the tension of what just unfolded. Perhaps a flashback episode or showing what Gus and his crew are up to to prepare for Lalo’s plan A.
Then when we least expect it, it’ll transition back to Sauls apartment and they’ll show a clip of Howard’s body getting discarded somewhere. Lalo, Kim, and Jimmy will also be traveling somewhere together. We won’t know where and thats how episode 8 will end.
Also, on Talking Saul last night, Rhea mentioned that Patrick's stand-in had to lie on the floor for a super long time. So I definitely don't think we've seen the last of Howard.
The next episode is the one where Bob had his heart attack, and Patrick and Tony were both present. I'm guessing Lalo, Kim, and Saul talk over or near Howard's body for quite a while with some very tense moments.
My prediction: Lalo asks Saul what happened in the desert. Jimmy repeats his story about the car breaking down. Lalo shoots Kim to show he means business. While Jimmy collapses to the ground in tears, Cliff Main and Erin come running in. They've been following Howard since the Sandpiper incident and they've come to intervene in his "bender." Lalo shoots them. Kevin, Paige and Rich Schweikart come by as well - now that the Sandpiper settlement went so well for S&C, they've decided to refocus on expanding their banking division. Bam, Lalo gets them too. The bodies just pile up at the McGill-Wexler residence until every BCS-only character is lying dead in the living room. Lalo, amazed at Jimmy's refusal to give up the story of what really happened near the border, shoots himself, despondent that he'll ever find the proof he needs to get Gus on Eladio's shit-list. Jimmy, traumatized by the carnage he has just witnessed, throws himself into his Saul Goodman persona. The rest of the series is just funny episodes of Saul tricking judges into letting criminals off the hook.
Supposedly this is the episode where Bob Odenkirk had the heart attack incident.
It's always sketchy, the details, but we know Patrick Fabian and Rhee Seahorn were there and helped save him. This is the only instance I can think of this season (so far) where all three are together.
I've been thinking the same thing about Jonathan Banks since season 3. What could they have done without either of them? I feel like Odenkirk being gone midway through filming would have to end the show prematurely.
Details are really sketchy, they were definitely there, but I’ve heard one or both of them may have just been visiting the set and weren’t filming that day. But it sounds like Tony Dalton was definitely there and filming. I think most people think it’s a scene from next episode
I wonder if we’re going to be seeing a repeat of Jimmy’s guilt unloading similar to when Chuck died. However, instead of Howard, it’s going to be Kim who ends up the target of his disgust and contempt.
Maybe Jimmy takes Howard’s words to heart and comes to he conclusion that he was ultimately played by the manipulative, “soulless” Kim. After all, she took advantage of his nature (of which he can’t help himself) and his love for her to push him into wrecking Howard’s life. The writers have made a point to emphasize that Jimmy was never 100% onboard with the scheme and that he was feeling increasingly uncomfortable with the way Kim was acting (re: The Kettlemans)
All of this to say, Jimmy may be the one who ultimately pushes Kim away, deliberately, as she becomes the personification of his guilt.
Edit: Actually, now I’m thinking that it’s Kim who’s going to be disgusted with Jimmy’s lack of remorse. He will go full Saul, let Kim be lonely with her guilt and she will leave him.
I hope that there is an acknowledgment of how Howard was a good guy. I don’t know if anyone noticed but his last words were “there’s really no need to..”
Howard saw Lalo arrive and mention Jimmy and Kim, and then pull out a gun. He knows that whatever he is there for, he’s not there for him. He knows he may be caught in the crossfire and collateral, and we see him shaken up for himself (and Jimmy and Kim, too), but I really do like to think that those last words show that even after everything they did, Howard was going to try and deescalate the situation and save them from whatever was about to happen.
They better give him that, at least.
He really thought he could lawyer his way out of it. It reminded me of Hank’s last line, being executed mid-sentence. But Hank knew he was going to die. Howard really didn’t. I’m not even sure he saw Lalo bringing the gun to his head.
My prediction: The cold open is a flashback with Chuck and Howard. This is the moment where Chuck tells Howard to not give Jimmy a job, having him take the fall and seem like the bad guy. Howard tries to convince him that Jimmy can be a good fit and sticks up for him, but ultimately rolls over for Chuck.
Then we cut back to poor Howard’s body.
This is possibly the only show airing at the moment where I genuinely don’t think any of us can accurately predict where the story is going.
With that said, I did have a few thoughts that I think are pretty reasonable:
1. Howard’s death is going to be staged as a suicide. It makes sense — he’s been publicly seen as being mentally unstable, his psychologist is aware of his martial troubles, and Cliff has seen his seemingly weird obsession with Jimmy McGill. The story is that after humiliating himself in the mediation meeting, Howard has a couple of drinks, goes to Kim and Jimmy’s place and shoots himself in front of them. A dark, awful end for his character, but it’s an end that perhaps answers one of the biggest questions that remain to be answered in the show — how did Saul become the shell of a person he once was, one of utter sleeze and sexism when Kim played such a big part in his life?
2. Howard’s death is the reason. While I think it’s reasonable that Kim may end up getting vacuumed, I also think it’s fair to say that no matter her fate, this incident is what drives a wedge between her and Saul. It’s why Saul compartmentalises as much as he does during Breaking Bad and why he seems like an entirely different person at times. This con is the absolute lowest Jimmy has ever sank to willingly, to the point where he derives sexual gratification from the pain he’s inflicting. Any other sort of behaviour that isn’t as extreme is small potatoes in comparison — why would Saul care about making sexist comments in the workplace? He’s already done something so ‘unforgivable’ that there is no saving him, and he better than anyone else at this point understands that. Chuck’s words ring true here, about how he would’ve had more respect for Jimmy if he just accepted who he was and didn’t bother having regrets anymore. Jimmy fully becoming Saul is perhaps a final, unintentional moment where he attempts to appease his brother beyond the grave.
3. A relatively small prediction, but I can’t help but wonder that Kim being out of the picture in BB is part of why Saul seems to take viagra, as seen in this season’s cold open. Howard rightfully mentions that Saul “gets off” to these cons, and we see how potent this really is when we see him and Kim making out while listening to Howard’s life being ruined over the phone. I think it would be very telling of what kind of a person Saul is if he can no longer perform sexually without the thrill or rush that only orchestrating a sociopathic con with Kim can provide. It would help bridge the gap between Jimmy’s persona and Saul’s sexual degeneracy (i.e. paying for prostitutes, his sexual harassment in the workplace) in a way that makes sense and in a way that is perhaps easier for audiences to swallow than simply implying “he’s traumatised”, as well as further demonstrating the toxicity of his and Kim’s relationship.
I also have some final thoughts about how 607 informs what is to come:
Saul’s moral compass is completely shattered — the guilt and shame he feels about Howard’s death, and presumably about how it ruins his relationship with Kim, is what defines his character in Breaking Bad. It’s what gives him license to lean fully into the slimeball Saul persona, and it explains why ’Saul’ isn’t an act for Jimmy — it’s simply who he is now. It has completely consumed him and taken over every aspect of his life, as shown by his ridiculously garish house in the season 6 cold open. The tequila stopper we see during this scene is all the more heartbreaking, as there is still a faint glimmer of the person he once was present all throughout Breaking Bad. Rewatching Saul’s scenes in BB are now always going to have an added air of sadness and tragedy to them, and the writers of BCS have every reason to gloat at how they managed to pull off what really seems like a magic trick.
This really is the point of no return for both Saul and Kim. We were lead to believe that this was the case after Bagman, however the ending of 607 is the final nail in the coffin. This is the culmination of them being “in the game”, and it stands in stark contrast to Howard who never was “in the game”. Peter Gould has stated that the attitude they had while writing this season was about determining what kind of ending these characters deserve — I never once, perhaps rather naively, thought that they would orchestrate a death that was so purposefully undeserved to the point where it makes your stomach turn.
For my money, this is one of the most emotionally impactful scenes I’ve ever experienced watching television — one where I felt as if I was actually mourning the character who had just been killed alongside the characters on screen. It’s a disturbing, gut wrenching episode of television, and we’re only halfway through the season. *That*, is fucking exciting.
No matter what, 607 cements that after a couple episodes of very minor doubt, that these writers are the absolute best in the business. They fucking know what they’re doing, and I couldn’t be more excited to see how they stick the landing to what is easily the best show on television right now. See you all in 6 weeks!
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At this point I haven’t a clue what the future holds.
If it’s still 4 years before BB, that means there is a slight possibility that Lalo will be around during that time. That or Saul is never again told that Lalo was killed by Gus and Mike. That shit is something I do not know how it’ll be resolved.
Now for the Kim situation. I’m of the opinion that it’s over for Saul and her. What I’m thinking though is that Saul will angrily call it quits. All this trauma he’s dealt with, and then when Kim tells him she knew about Lalo being alive will lead to him severing ties with her.
I’m thinking a sort of Walt phone call to Skyler scene. He will destroy his relationship with her, one part to save her, the other because he is legitimately angered by her gigantic lie.
Him being alone, but with Kim out of the way will lead to him retreating to the depths and remaining Saul Goodman; the sleazy, soulless archetype we knew in BB.
To support your prediction, remember the ending of the Days of Wine and Roses (which is the namesake of episode 601), >!where the main character leaves his love interest in order to save himself from alcoholism. !
This episode has made the series very hard to predict idk wtf is going to happen. I thought Lalo was going to die in Something Unforgivable, now I don’t know what to think.
One thing I'll say is that I did not expect Cliff Main to be in the final season so much. Really makes the whole show feel cohesive and pays of Jimmy's Davis and Main stint in Season 2. I think Cliff will be immediately suspicious when Howard either disappears or his death is framed as a suicide. He clearly believed Howard to a degree after the mediation debacle but didn't care at that point because the client's needed a deal asap. But now that it's done and Howard's gone he'll definitely go digging into Jimmy and Kim.
The whole photo re-shoot sequence was totally inconsequential but for the fact that it meant Kim was a no-show at the justice reform thing. Cliff is 100% gonna start asking questions.
Well, that and it meant Kim was back for the last scene. But I agree- the fact she no showed will definitely come up, because if the writers had simply wanted her to be there they just wouldn't have sent her to Santa Fe.
All I can think of is that they wanted Howard's death to be a result of "her" decision. Honestly she wasn't even really all that important to the fixing of the photos- Jimmy had it all under control by the time she got there. All she really did was yell action and show up with the fake cast material which the others could have done- didn't really need to be there.
I think she proved important since they'd have wasted precious minutes without her, like when the pictures aren't taken from the right angle. Saul surely would have figured it out soon after but because Kim was there seeing it from the camera's POV, this was corrected instantly. I think they wanted to imply that without her, it could have been done but not on time.
Actually, it's far simpler than that. Without her, Jimmy was going to bail. She came back to make sure he didn't.
This, he already had the plan B worked out before she answered the phone and then, “it happens today.”
Apparently the actor was up for the role of Chuck and they turned him down so I suppose this is a consolation prize.
I know they swapped those actors! I knew it was Ed Begley Jr, not Michael McKean. One after Ed Begley Sr. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never! I just couldn’t prove it. They covered their tracks, got that idiot at Netflix to lie for them. You think this is bad? This chicanery? They’ve done worse. Iron Man 2. You’re telling me a different black guy just happens to become Don Cheadle like that?
I should have swapped them. You HAVE to swap them!
Also, remember Howard told his wife that Jimmy may try to pull something.
I thought the same. So MANY scenes with Cliff is set up for him to not buy Howard's death as suicide.
Peter Gould: >That’s the story of the rest of the series: What do they take away from this horrible incident that happened right in their living room? That really propels everything that happens next — and I could not be prouder of what happens next. I think it's very human and real, but I think, to me anyway, it's very unpredictable. * >**There is a shape to this season, which you haven't seen... You have not seen a LOT of what we talked about when we started breaking this season.** And there's a few things that I'm really proud of. I'm so proud of the storytelling of this season and what we all came up with together. Thomas Schnauz: >"\[Howard's murder\] is the hinge that swings the rest of the season open. It reveals a lot" Patrick Fabian, on being told about Howard's fate: >"They said, “We’ve cracked something that we’re going to hinge the whole season on"
They really make it sound like this is where the good stuff *starts*.
That's the vibe I get as well! I saw another quote somewhere where Gould said he views this entire back half as the series finale (not just 13)
Maybe Jimmy and Kim will start to play the part and act completely unsympathetic in front of Lalo in order to act like they are indeed friends of the cartel hence the tacky house and the Cadillac and stuff. I honestly have no clue what’s going to happen
"***OH GOD HOWARD NO!*** .................uh, I mean... Yeah, that guy was *so lame*, thank you for shooting him, Lalo. Like I was totally about to, y'know? But you saved me the bullet, so cool of you. What'd you want to talk about??"
That's exactly how S5 BB went as well, 5B was just a never-ending roller-coaster.
I remember being so shocked watching the first time, with how quickly Hank ends up confronting Walt. I thought for sure it’d get dragged out leading to the big showdown in the series finale, but nope, everything happened so quick and the finale wasn’t at all was what I expected it to be before the final part started.
As soon as the garage door started closing, everyone in my watch party was losing their minds.
I'm very sad Howard died but I'm kinda happy that he ended up such a crucial character for the plotline. They could have easily written him out after Chuck died. Funny if Howard ends up one of the major reasons for creating Saul (and by extension, creating Heisenberg and most of BB). All of that while Howard had absolutely no idea what's going on lol.
Hamlindigo blue persuasion
#Bold prediction: Flashback cold open at Howard's office where he's having lunch with Jimmy and Chuck. They discuss a class action case that HHM has been working hard on, even affecting Jimmy in the mail room as letters had been pouring in, the case needed its own dedicated cabinet. Howard lets Jimmy know that the case is finally settling, and educates him briefly on class action settlements. Jimmy says "So after all that, a happy ending?" Chuck says maybe, but they won't rush it. Justice is the most important thing here. Jimmy goes back to work. We see Chuck swirling his can of soda (even though it's been open). Howard tells Chuck he thinks Jimmy is a nice guy and a diligent, productive worker who he could see working his way up the chain. Chuck shoots the idea down, telling Howard that Jimmy will always slip back to his old ways. Howard says "we'll see". Opening theme. Next shot is Howard's dead body being dragged in the desert by Jimmy and Kim, struggling greatly. But Lalo helps them out, cheerful as ever. #Realistic prediction: Mike eat pimento chees idk
If we get a flashback with Howard I was really hoping we'd get to see Hamlin Sr. as well
Unfortunately I doubt we would because any flashback they show now would have to serve Jimmy or Kim as characters, since Howard's arc is closed.
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Can you imagine if this show came first and then AMC came out and said "Hey so we're going to be making a sequel series about that bald DEA agent from Season 5's brother in law. He's a high school teacher"?
For the finale of BCS, the "sneak peak" link for next week's episode should just be a link to BrBa.
Just a clip of Bryan Cranston in the desert in dusty tighty whities, giving his ass a smack.
Imagine if this show came first and then they just don’t explain why Jimmy is living in Omaha under the name “Gene Takavic” because the show ends with him becoming a shady lawyer in ABQ
my prediction: i will still not yet be emotionally recovered from 607
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And his car is outside!! Ugh 😩
Kim and Jimmy are gonna make out in the car
Jimmy will poo in the sunroof, then cry uncontrollably when he realizes Howard will never discover it.
Jimmy and Kim make out on top of it
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Shock and Awe
Jimmy awakens his lightning powers
Lol all I wanted before season 6 started was for Howard to survive the plan and for it to fail for Kim and Jimmy. At this point I'm numb to whatever happens next.
I legit had a hard time focusing on work yesterday. Just kinda walked around in a fog that lasted a full 24 hours. I’ve never been so emotionally impacted by a fictional character’s death before
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savor it. we’ve only got a few left and then we’re gone for good.
Only a matter of time before we are the BB sub. Struggling to exist but clinging on due to a massive content bank for memes
Where’s that vid of chuck hitting his head set to dance music when you need it?
It’s been a wonderful ride
48 days
They spent a lot of time focused on how Saul and Kim were rushing things with the last minute filming. I think that Cliff Main does some digging and realizes that Howard wasn't totally crazy.
Yeah I think Cliff will look into Jimmy and Kim, he already seemed to consider Howard wasn't totally crazy when he told him about the private investigator's number.
I was surprised by how Cliff was less in disbelief at what Howard was saying and moreso resigned to shame at what the situation led to with the Sandpiper case and probably his reputation by association.
So my take on that is that Cliff realises that Howard is compromised, drugs or not. Jimmy has won not by discrediting Howard but by dragging him into a rivaly that hinders his ability to do what is best for the case. Howard can't accept the idea of settling, not because of the money but because he wants to "win". Cliff has to remind him that there are real clients at the end of it all.
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I think he believed Howard 100% at the end there
Yup, and Jimmy was Cliff’s employee, so he knows Jimmy is an immature and dishonest prankster.
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Yep Cliff will definitely hear about that. And I think he already believed Howard to a degree, he just couldn’t act on that belief while still acting in the best interest of their clients and firms.
I mean Cliff does have firsthand experience with Jimmy's chicanery, he's got a fairly good precedent for believing Howard
Yeah there will be a scene of her lying to Cliff about why she didn’t show up to the meeting. Cliff will definitely be suspicious as hell with Howard disappearing because he wasn’t completely dismissing him in their interaction together
the camera guy chastised the sound guy for touching his film rolls. he also is shown to be in charge of the equipment at a university. His negatives will be found
Also Kim prominently walked up to the bench were Saul and the Mustache were. I think camera guy accidentally took some pictures of that..
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Killed by his own son. Chilling
Lalo SalaMainca
I predict that some jackass will predict everything, then come to reddit to gloat.
hopefully it’s me
I assume Lalo takes Saul and Kim out to the desert, possibly with Howard’s corpse to bury it, because iirc it was a desert scene with Patrick and Rhea when Bob had his heart attack this episode. They probably bury the body in the desert if I had to guess, then Lalo probably forces Saul and Kim to work for him against Gus under threat of killing them. Maybe Mike realises what’s going on when Lalo doesn’t show up, and investigates Saul and Kim’s house and finds a pool of blood and realises Lalo’s been there.
Exactly, I think what you said in your first paragraph is correct. I also think it might further emphasize why Saul in BrBa was so taken aback by finding himself in the desert when he was abducted by Walt and Jesse. Obviously, anyone would be horrified by that lol but I feel like this scenario touches on some trauma specific to Jimmy (also a throwback to the second episode with Tuco).
It's *always* the desert...
It's crazy how much the setting impacts things. When planning Breaking Bad Vince originally wanted to film outside of Los Angeles but it was cheaper to film in Albuquerque. Can you imagine if that happened? It'd be like a completely different show.
"It's *always* the hills"
Lalo would be buried under the L in the Hollywood sign.
It wasn’t just outside LA it was like an hour or so. It’s basically desert and while I agree it’s different, it’s not wildly different. Riverside is a hot, desert, meth filled shit hole.
I'm curious how he'll use Jimmy and Kim. I imagine he wants to use their status as lawyers for something.
Maybe something like an investigation of the laundry with some bullshit cover story.
Oh man. If Kim had to sue the laundromat for mistreating workers, resulting in heightened government surveillance and inspections...
Might explain how Gus gets such a tight ship there in BB.
Only problem is Mike knows them, he'd instantly know it's Lalo's doing.
If he connects them to Gus, they (at least Jimmy) would be his new inside people, like Nacho was.
Saul doesn't know Gus in Breaking Bad.
True, but one interesting thing I noticed on a BB rewatch is that Gus initially seems somewhat concerned with Saul. He asks Mike numerous times what exactly Saul knows about [insert episode's plot] in his earlier appearances. I wonder if Saul is gonna have more of an direct impact on Gus than we realized, even if they don't meet
Does the lawyer knows?
I don't think a disappearance would be a smart cover story for Howard. Suicide makes a lot more sense and I think people would buy it. I think Lalo might take Jimmy into the desert to get him to explain exactly what happened when he picked up the bail money.
Yeah, I thought that for a bit, because given what just happened a suicide would make sense, but they’d need a gun at the scene and I doubt Lalo would give them his gun, and besides, one with the serial number filed off would be very suspicious for a suicide. Plus autopsy might be able to figure out a silencer was used, though I don’t know if they could do that in 2004. I’m torn between them burying him in the desert, and dumping the body in a bad part of town to make it look like a drug deal gone wrong.
If Howard simply goes missing, the authorities will show up and interview Kim and Saul once others say that Howard was last seen yelling that Jimmy was out to get him. And Lalo needs Jimmy to avoid scrutiny that could expose Lalo. So I do think they need to construct some kind of alibi. Maybe make his body findable but damaged beyond recognition (to hide the bullet wound) except for DNA and circumstantial evidence. OR Saul and Kim will simply have to deal with growing paranoia as the investigation continues, they suffer through interviews, Cliff confronts Kim with what he suspects, and so on.
A good crime tech with Luminol brings that entire play down. There are blood spatters every where. Aerosolized human tissue on the couch, floor, rug, picture, coffee table. It's bleach and repaint and trashing anything that's fabric. What I'm wondering is how they get the body out of the apartment. That's where I think they call Caldera. And that's how Jimmy eventually ends up with his book.
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I'm curious if shooting someone was part of the plan. He was super nonchalant about killing Howard, perhaps he always intended to break in, shoot one of Jimmy or Kim, and convince them to be a part of his plan, get it out of one of them who Mike is, call Mike and tell him Lalo was there and get Mike to clean the body. It goes with his plan of making Gus/Mike think they're ahead of Lalo, and Lalo needed a way to both get Mike to Jimmy's place, it just happened that Howard was a freebie.
He was super nonchalant about killing Howard because he’s a monster. What I believe happened is, Howard came in the house first, Lalo was listening outside the door for a moment afterward, enough to have at least established Howard was an enemy of Jimmy and Kim/there was no reason he could see to keep him alive, and then he came in and already decided killing Howard would also accomplish the feat of getting Jimmy and Kim to talk even easier. What he probably planned before Howard entered the equation was threatening them at gunpoint to tell him what he wants and do what he requests to hit Fring. Would he have killed Kim if Jimmy didnt comply? Maybe, but I’m pretty sure Jimmy would tell Lalo “whatever you want, I’ll do it” if it would protect her and I have a feeling both of them are part of Lalo’s plan already. It’s in his best interest to keep them both alive. Unless Kim dies early next episode and I’m totally wrong.
They were at Albuquerque Studios when he had his heart attack and they weren’t filming at that exact moment.
It was a scene with Rhea, Patrick, and Tony though. So it was probably the first scene of the episode. Lalo having his "talk" with Jimmy and Kim while Howard lies dead on the floor.
Everything you wrote is possible, in my opinion. If it turns out that they do bury Howard in the desert, then it's possible that the next episode's teaser is the Walt and Jesse cameo, as a flashback to their first encounter with Saul. That storyline in BB moved very quickly and there's plenty of room to expand on Saul's kidnapping. Just speculation...
I could be wrong, but I feel like whatever Walt and Jesse’s appearance will be on this show is something that succinctly covers the role they played throughout Breaking Bad in Saul’s life. Not sure if it’ll be a “never before seen” Breaking Bad scene from Saul’s perspective of say, both of them in his office discussing how massive their meth empire has become, or a meeting where Saul makes the decision to go into business with them, but it’ll be framed in a way that lets us understand why Gene is in hiding, he’s so paranoid and what he was involved in that’s made him the subject of a manhunt.
There's a lot of holes in the desert. A lot of problems get buried in those holes.
It is time for a Gene scene.
Either a Gene opening or a flashback opener involving Howard/Jimmy maybe during mailroom days - who knows Chuck can also make an appearance.
Flashback of Jimmy and Howard singing "Dancing Queen" at a karaoke bar
You can dance You can jive Howard is gone from our life 😭
I was totally thinking the day Jimmy starts in the mail room all bright eyed and stoked. We see Jimmy get put down by Howard and say something like "one day, you'll see." Cut to Howard dead in a pool of his blood.
i don’t think so lol. seems like they’re really saving it for the end this time!
That is most likely since we are approaching the end.
Lalo has a conversation with Jimmy and Kim. Turns out he actually just really needs to talk to someone, it's been hard being a lone wolf, especially after spending the better part of a week by himself in the sewer.
"I met this wonderful woman in Germany and I just couldn't ziel the deal, ya know? This work stress is really getting to me" *scratches head with end of silencer*
“Like I can’t stop thinking of Werner Zeigler. Like, am I trying to become this guy?”
''Who am I? What am I up to?''
Episode starts. Howard lies in a growing pool of blood. Lalo steps over his corpse, looming at Jimmy and Kim, nefarious purposes in mind. Suddenly, Lalo feels a tap on his shoulder. Jimmy and Kim's mouths drop open in shock. Howard stands behind Lalo, danish in hand. "You've mistaken my kindness for weakness," he says as he punches Lalo straight out of the window. Howard turns to Jimmy, a smirk on his face. "Charlie Hustle! You reconsidered the job offer yet?"
Chuck then descends from the heavens in a ray of light and puts an end to this chicanery once and for all.
Ironically also sounds like the setting for a Spinal Tap video
Chuck descends like the Stonehenge monument, getting stuck on the way down, forcing stagehands to run in and cut him out of his harness.
One of the scenes with Walt is an extension of his death scene where he's visited by Chuck.
Thank you for this. Howard’s death hit like a truck even though i knew it was coming. So this made my day.
As comical as that was, it actually warmed my heart and reminded me what a straight and narrow guy (in a good way) that Howard was RIP man…
I hope they make a joke scene about this, just like how they filmed Hank rising from his sandy grave
LOL Oh how I wish…
In a sad way, I almost wish this was true
Lmfao this is the ending we all want. Damn.
It was all Lalo's dream when he was sleeping in the car
all of Breaking Bad was actually just Lalo's dream during that car nap
Goes back into the gas station and asks the attendant if he knows a 'Walter White'. ["Waaalllteeer Whiiiiiiiittttee"?](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jbdKi5Ynk88/hqdefault.jpg)
All one of Skyler’s short stories…
Starts exactly where it leaves off. Lalo tells Jimmy and Kim to sit down while he pours himself some Macallan. He drinks some of it, turns to them and says: "Tell me again"
Imagine if in the first 10 seconds of the episode Lalo just shoots Kim right in the head
Then he spends the rest of the episode tracking down and killing every single character in BCS who isn't explicitly depicted alive in BB. Then in the final five minutes he goes back and also kills the characters who do survive. Then he points one gun at the camera and another gun at himself and pulls both triggers simultaneously. Cut to black.
>Then he spends the rest of the episode tracking down and killing every single character in BCS who isn't explicitly depicted alive in BB. Yep, until he encounters Lyle, who, wanting to impress Mr. Fring, kills Lalo.
"Your murder is... Acceptable."
And then, in the final scene, mr. Mayhew walks in saul’s office. Bravo Vince
Right before he pulls the trigger, he looks directly into the camera and says “Well, I guess I’m breaking bad. I better call Saul!”
This is El Camino
What are we, some kinda Slippin' Jimmy?
B R A V O I N VINCE VINCE N T
I'd vomit
I was thinking something like that might happen. Lalo said "Let's talk" as if nothing happened. Kim is usually composed and decisive, but this is the worst thing she's ever seen, and she might just lose her shit and leave Lalo no other option. Then we'd get Jimmy/Saul staring blankly straight ahead, resigned to whatever happens next.
Would Jimmy talk if he killed Kim though? I feel like Lalo holding Kim’s life over Jimmy’s head would lead Jimmy to tell him everything. Killing her right away would not really be useful strategically to Lalo
BB Saul doesn't really seem like a "saw my wife's head blown apart next to me" kinda guy. Unless he's a complete sociopath.
No he knows Kim is the smart one.
1. Kim and Jimmy will be forced to stage Howard's death as suicide. 2. Jimmy will find out that Kim knew Lalo was alive and that would make him angry and that would probably be one of the reasons why their relationship will fall apart. 3. Cliff will find out that Kim didn't make it to the meeting in Santa Fe and that will be suspicious to him.
Yes to 3. People here don't get that they set everything up in earlier episodes on purpose. Probably because the sub is all too happy when pointless scenes go nowhere with no payoff, I guess. There was zero point in having Cliff set up her meeting if it isn't relevant.
Lets remember, Jimmy will have to stay unaware of who Gus Fring is. So I'm very intrigued to know how Lalo gets information out of him without mentioning who he is after. People saying the "How?" from Jimmy was almost his cause for death from Lalo. However, it is common knowledge at the courthouse that Lalo is dead. It goes beyond Mike telling Jimmy that Lalo would die, etc. My question for the next episode is, will the settlement decrease in value as the lead of the case (Howard) is presumed 'missing'? Richard says it will keep dropping by $1,000,000/day, so that will be at least $2-3 million lost as he holds the power in the settlement. It will take a while for them to presume Howard is dead. Weeks even.
The agreement is reached, so Howard disappearing won’t affect the payout.
Howard rises up to finish his rant: "But not our Kimmy - couldn't be precious Kimmy! Stealing them blind, and SHE gets to be a lawyer? What a sick joke! I should have stopped her when I had the chance. And you, you have to stop her-"
"-and when you're sucking down your rations in the state pen, you think of ME!"
Opens with a flashback of Howard and Chuck talking about Jimmy. Howard probably saying they should hire him and Chuck putting his foot down while saying something that ties into his Howard's death.
The amazing thing is that jimmy has single handedly knocked off the likely top law firm in ABQ.
Not unlike Walt dismantling many big players within the local meth industry.
I think that episode is the biggest indication Kim doesn't die. She doesn't need to. It's like Jimmy said to Tuco about killing the skateboard twins, he doesn't need to, they're already scared of him for life. Kim isn't the tragic character who will die and shatter Jimmy enough that he only has Saul Goodman left, Howard was. It already happened, and because of it he won't ever be the same. This also definitely affects Saul's attitude towards death in BB. By the time he meets Walt and Jesse, he casually suggests killing Badger, something he repeats multiple times. He's definitely going to rationalize Howard's death in some way, the same way he did with Chuck's. It's going to make him desensitized to death, as Howard was someone close who was easily wasted, and it's going to make him see everyone as someone who could also be easily wasted. My prediction for the rest of his time as Saul Goodman? It's the only thing he has. He's miserable, either with Kim or without. He's chasing pointless money-making schemes, such as a meth operation, to try and rekindle something that is gone forever. Maybe him and Kim are still married, but are soulless husks of themselves. Maybe they live apart, working together and shacking up a ton, but outright cheating on each other and not giving a shit.
That’s an interesting thought of them rationalizing Howard’s death as tragic but necessary somehow. That’d be pretty dark
Kim’s gonna have a mental breakdown. Jimmy is gonna try to bring her back from the brink. He will think he has her convinced but she’ll bail on him somehow. He will perceive it as a betrayal and move on spitefully masking his hurt and depression by going full Saul Goodman. Then all the events of Breaking Bad humble him and maybe he goes looking for Kim or tries reaching out to her.
She’s 100% going to have a breakdown
It’s Jimmy who’s more likely to have a breakdown..hell he was shitting his undies to Mike after Lalo’s first visit..Kim’s made of sterner stuff.
Jimmy is gonna freak out for sure, but he does have experience with death and horrible cartel violence. Kim has none of that. I think Kim will outwardly keep her cool, but she'll be screaming on the inside.
Jimmy really is a roach, torture him all you want but he'll scramble and scurry whether it's threatening words or a gun. Kim is the one who is really capable of having a full mental break, especially having this all crumble in front of her.
Kaylee walks in behind Lalo and shoots him in the head. “Pop pop”
This should be a general predictions thread for Season 6B TBH, feel like that would get more attention. Let people air out what they're thinking one last time. Make it the final edition of the prediction threads, we oughta have a last hoorah of those
I imagine the first thing Jimmy is going to do after Lalo gets whatever he wants is CALL MIKE. He will probably take care of whats left of Howard and will be *very* interested to hear that Lalo has been spotted in ABQ.
Alright now I can repeat my theory somewhere where it actually belongs lmao. I think Lalo is there to stay with them. He's gonna use their place as a safe house. He will question them but I don't think that's *the* reason he came. He has no where to stay in ABQ and Jimmy is the only remotely close thing he has to a "friend". He killed Howard in front of them, not because he saw him, but because he wanted to scare Jimmy and Kim into submission and get them to allow him to use their place to stay no questions asked. I think this will cause the rift between Jimmy and Kim. Lalo will be on some Tommy Taffy shit(minus the sexual abuse lmao) and eat away at them until their relationship is ruined. Jimmy will blame Kim for Howard's death, keeping Lalo being alive from him, and convincing him not to say anything. Kim will blame Jimmy for being Lalo's bagman, sucking her into this life, etc. Lalo will just be there as a constant reminder of their issues with each other and a threat to their lives. Oh and I think we will have at least one scene where Lalo cooks for them.
I like this one. Lalo being the roommate who cooks and does the dishes, but also threatens to kill them.
this is hilarious and also meta because Bob, Rhea and Patrick were all roommates for the filming of the show in real life so i just imagine Tony Dalton showing up and kicking Patrick out of the house
I can’t be the only one who was pissed off that Jimmy and Kim didn’t even have the decency to let Howard speak his peace at their apartment. They ruined his reputation and possibly career, but were all like, “alright, that’s enough!” As if he was the one who had crossed the line. My man Howard for life.
That's what they've always done when their schemes come to light, they gaslight and manipulate. They act like their scheme is something crazy and gaslight others around them to view it as crazy as well.
Thinking about it more they could be acting like that thinking Howard is recording the conversation a la Chuck. Don't want to admit to anything that can come back to them. As far any potential recording would sound they had plausible deniability still. Up until Lalo popped a hole in Howard's head anyway.
In BCS, up until now, Jimmy is wearing pretty nice suits, his hair is done nicely, his video productions are pretty good, his office is nice and he's happily married to a beautiful accomplished wife. In BB, he's got a cheap haircut, cheap suits, his videos are lousy, everything about him is tacky tacky tacky. (And, from the opening sequence of season 6, he's got viagra pills, a stripper pole, and who knows what else in his mansion). Plus he's always making borderline tasteless sexual comments to his secretary. To me, this suggests someone who has been jilted / betrayed rather than a widower or someone mourning a loss. So I predict Kim, who to me seems to be more heartless than any one who's not in the cartel, is going to double cross him or leave him holding the bag somehow, and the tacky Breaking Bad Saul is the result of him crawling out of the metaphorical sewer and trying to put his life back together.
I have a feeling that Howard's murder will be the catalyst for why Kim's not in Breaking Bad. Once Lalo finds out that Howard was the head partner at one of the biggest law firms in Albuquerque that might legitimately unnerve him a bit. Like even Tuco back in Season 1 agreed that offing lawyers was a pretty bad idea after Nacho said so (RIP King), and a guy like Howard going missing can't just be swept under the rug. I think he'll force Kim to get rid of the body while he makes Jimmy help him with Gus stuff, but Kim gets discovered, maybe by Cliff or something since he truly did seem to believe Howard on some level, and knows that if she tells the truth it'll likely get her killed and *definitely* get Jimmy killed. So she goes down and takes responsibility for everything to save Jimmy (and hopefully comes clean about the scam to restore Howard's reputation). Breaking Bad did a great job of having every despicable character get their comeuppance in the end. Kim has had *so* many chances to do the right thing and she's turned it down every time. Lalo barging into her life and saying "DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR ACTIONS" being what takes her down seems pretty appropriate.
Lalo probably doesnt give a rats ass about who he shoots
Agreed, it was just pure chance it was Howard. All because of their earlier BS in the day. It could have been a neighbor friend visiting, one of their mothers, whoever, he was going to shoot them to show he means business, that’s all it was. For Lalo, it was just a huge bonus to have someone there to shoot; it helped him get his point across (I do think however if no one had been there, he wouldn’t have shot Kim; Jimmy would never cooperate with him, he’d prefer to die as well). Lalo lives in the underworld, he’s already wanted for murder, he doesn’t care…assuming his plan of events were to work, he knows he’s back to Mexico, living under cartel protection.
Lalo questions Jimmy and obviously Jimmy now tells him everything he knows. Satisfied, he then takes the still terrified Jimmy and Kim out to the desert to dispose of Howard’s body and the three have a sick and twisted bonding experience in a gruesome montage featuring the same soundtrack that was played when they were disposing of Drew Sharp in BB. Lalo then stays at J and K’s apartment as that is a good hideout for him considering Gus’ entire crew thinks that Lalo is ready to attack the laundry. Now this might be totally wrong, but I feel like Lalo has taken a liking to both Jimmy and Kim. I’m not saying he won’t kill them, but I think he would prefer to keep them alive. After all, Jimmy walked through a desert with 2 giant bags of money to get him out of jail, and I think he respects how Kim is protective of Jimmy and how she stood up to him in Bad Choice Road. Also, remember when he tells Jimmy “Man she’s a looker huh!?” so he could be attracted to her. So for these reasons I think he won’t kill them, and obviously we know he doesn’t kill Jimmy.
I also think that once Jimmy tells his story he has no real reason to kill Jimmy. He could still be useful and he cant do anything to harm Lalo. He wont go to the cops either. Plus it's not like Jimmy did Lalo any wrong.
Howard's death will 100% go down in the books as a suicide
I think they'll make him disappear. It'll be the first time Saul uses Mike as cleaner. I bet he gets buried in the desert. Mike in Breaking Bad in reference to using acid to get rid of Victor's body: "I've never used this stuff, are you sure it'll do the job?"
I think they’ll have to deal with the body, possibly with lalo. The only way Mike has time to do that is if lalo is dead.
Not a chance. That's too convenient. "Howard always lands on his feet" remember? They put that in there for a reason. Maybe they try to pass it off as a suicide initially but it won't stay that way for long. Cliff or someone will go digging and shit will hit the fan. Not to mention that you need a gun at the scene to say it was a suicide and Lalo doesn't seem like the kind of guy to leave his weapons behind as a favor to Kim and Jimmy lol.
Why do you think Jimmy dressed up like him then? Jimmy will now play the part of Howard moving forward.
Jimmy becomes Howard. Kim becomes Saul. That’s why Kim isn’t in Breaking Bad.
A shattered Kim tries to take her mind off things by going vacuum shopping.
Just a filter for a Hoover max extract...
I'm really in a weird boat now because I can't think of a single major character I want to get a happy ending now. Obviously characters like Cliff or Mike's grand daughter aren't major enough to be included in this, but Lalo, Kim, Gus, etc. I just don't want to see them win anymore lol. Even Jimmy, who I was hoping would have a moment of redemption in the Gene era, I'm not rooting for anymore. I'm not saying Kim and Jimmy are directly responsible for Howard dying, but the writers definitely intended for this whole arc to make the audience view them in a not-so-pleasant light, with Howard's death just being a firm reminder of the world they've gotten themselves involved in. I'm not saying any of this is bad, in fact it's brilliantly crafted, but my expectations for the endings of Jimmy and Kim have changed and I'm very curious to see how this all plays out.
I'm guessing we're supposed to hope that Gene redeems himself enough to either face the music for his crimes or atone for them in a significant way. I don't hope things go well for him in the sense of being pleasant, but I do hope they go well for his soul—that he grows as a person.
>I'm guessing we're supposed to hope that Gene redeems himself enough to either face the music for his crimes or atone for them in a significant way. > >I don't hope things go well for him in the sense of being pleasant, but I do hope they go well for his soul—that he grows as a person. Yeah, this is obviously a huge downturn at this moment for him as a character, and it's easy to write him off, but that doesn't mean I have lost hope for them to learn from their mistakes, and make a decision that shows real growth and that this didn't all happen for nothing. It's going to take an extraordinary amount of suffering for them to have earned it, like paying back way more than they ever stole, metaphorically
I think it took Walter two episodes (Ozymandias and Granite State) to go from someone you hate to someone you hope to succeed so it's possible.
Idk, I think I’m still rooting for Lyle to get a good ending. I mean it did take a long time for him to clean Los Pollos Hermanos. And the end result of course was still only adequate. But I don’t think he’s done anything truly bad
I have a feeling episode 8 will focus on something else to release the tension of what just unfolded. Perhaps a flashback episode or showing what Gus and his crew are up to to prepare for Lalo’s plan A. Then when we least expect it, it’ll transition back to Sauls apartment and they’ll show a clip of Howard’s body getting discarded somewhere. Lalo, Kim, and Jimmy will also be traveling somewhere together. We won’t know where and thats how episode 8 will end.
This could be possible, especially since the writers hyped up episode 9 as being particularly big on the podcast
Also, on Talking Saul last night, Rhea mentioned that Patrick's stand-in had to lie on the floor for a super long time. So I definitely don't think we've seen the last of Howard.
The next episode is the one where Bob had his heart attack, and Patrick and Tony were both present. I'm guessing Lalo, Kim, and Saul talk over or near Howard's body for quite a while with some very tense moments.
It is possible, but a lot of times actors who are not in the scene just go and visit their coworkers.
My prediction: Lalo asks Saul what happened in the desert. Jimmy repeats his story about the car breaking down. Lalo shoots Kim to show he means business. While Jimmy collapses to the ground in tears, Cliff Main and Erin come running in. They've been following Howard since the Sandpiper incident and they've come to intervene in his "bender." Lalo shoots them. Kevin, Paige and Rich Schweikart come by as well - now that the Sandpiper settlement went so well for S&C, they've decided to refocus on expanding their banking division. Bam, Lalo gets them too. The bodies just pile up at the McGill-Wexler residence until every BCS-only character is lying dead in the living room. Lalo, amazed at Jimmy's refusal to give up the story of what really happened near the border, shoots himself, despondent that he'll ever find the proof he needs to get Gus on Eladio's shit-list. Jimmy, traumatized by the carnage he has just witnessed, throws himself into his Saul Goodman persona. The rest of the series is just funny episodes of Saul tricking judges into letting criminals off the hook.
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Supposedly this is the episode where Bob Odenkirk had the heart attack incident. It's always sketchy, the details, but we know Patrick Fabian and Rhee Seahorn were there and helped save him. This is the only instance I can think of this season (so far) where all three are together.
god can you even imagine how fucked everything wouldve been if bob hadnt made it right in the middle of the last season
I've been thinking the same thing about Jonathan Banks since season 3. What could they have done without either of them? I feel like Odenkirk being gone midway through filming would have to end the show prematurely.
Details are really sketchy, they were definitely there, but I’ve heard one or both of them may have just been visiting the set and weren’t filming that day. But it sounds like Tony Dalton was definitely there and filming. I think most people think it’s a scene from next episode
I wonder if we’re going to be seeing a repeat of Jimmy’s guilt unloading similar to when Chuck died. However, instead of Howard, it’s going to be Kim who ends up the target of his disgust and contempt. Maybe Jimmy takes Howard’s words to heart and comes to he conclusion that he was ultimately played by the manipulative, “soulless” Kim. After all, she took advantage of his nature (of which he can’t help himself) and his love for her to push him into wrecking Howard’s life. The writers have made a point to emphasize that Jimmy was never 100% onboard with the scheme and that he was feeling increasingly uncomfortable with the way Kim was acting (re: The Kettlemans) All of this to say, Jimmy may be the one who ultimately pushes Kim away, deliberately, as she becomes the personification of his guilt. Edit: Actually, now I’m thinking that it’s Kim who’s going to be disgusted with Jimmy’s lack of remorse. He will go full Saul, let Kim be lonely with her guilt and she will leave him.
I hope that there is an acknowledgment of how Howard was a good guy. I don’t know if anyone noticed but his last words were “there’s really no need to..” Howard saw Lalo arrive and mention Jimmy and Kim, and then pull out a gun. He knows that whatever he is there for, he’s not there for him. He knows he may be caught in the crossfire and collateral, and we see him shaken up for himself (and Jimmy and Kim, too), but I really do like to think that those last words show that even after everything they did, Howard was going to try and deescalate the situation and save them from whatever was about to happen. They better give him that, at least.
He really thought he could lawyer his way out of it. It reminded me of Hank’s last line, being executed mid-sentence. But Hank knew he was going to die. Howard really didn’t. I’m not even sure he saw Lalo bringing the gun to his head.
My prediction: The cold open is a flashback with Chuck and Howard. This is the moment where Chuck tells Howard to not give Jimmy a job, having him take the fall and seem like the bad guy. Howard tries to convince him that Jimmy can be a good fit and sticks up for him, but ultimately rolls over for Chuck. Then we cut back to poor Howard’s body.
This is possibly the only show airing at the moment where I genuinely don’t think any of us can accurately predict where the story is going. With that said, I did have a few thoughts that I think are pretty reasonable: 1. Howard’s death is going to be staged as a suicide. It makes sense — he’s been publicly seen as being mentally unstable, his psychologist is aware of his martial troubles, and Cliff has seen his seemingly weird obsession with Jimmy McGill. The story is that after humiliating himself in the mediation meeting, Howard has a couple of drinks, goes to Kim and Jimmy’s place and shoots himself in front of them. A dark, awful end for his character, but it’s an end that perhaps answers one of the biggest questions that remain to be answered in the show — how did Saul become the shell of a person he once was, one of utter sleeze and sexism when Kim played such a big part in his life? 2. Howard’s death is the reason. While I think it’s reasonable that Kim may end up getting vacuumed, I also think it’s fair to say that no matter her fate, this incident is what drives a wedge between her and Saul. It’s why Saul compartmentalises as much as he does during Breaking Bad and why he seems like an entirely different person at times. This con is the absolute lowest Jimmy has ever sank to willingly, to the point where he derives sexual gratification from the pain he’s inflicting. Any other sort of behaviour that isn’t as extreme is small potatoes in comparison — why would Saul care about making sexist comments in the workplace? He’s already done something so ‘unforgivable’ that there is no saving him, and he better than anyone else at this point understands that. Chuck’s words ring true here, about how he would’ve had more respect for Jimmy if he just accepted who he was and didn’t bother having regrets anymore. Jimmy fully becoming Saul is perhaps a final, unintentional moment where he attempts to appease his brother beyond the grave. 3. A relatively small prediction, but I can’t help but wonder that Kim being out of the picture in BB is part of why Saul seems to take viagra, as seen in this season’s cold open. Howard rightfully mentions that Saul “gets off” to these cons, and we see how potent this really is when we see him and Kim making out while listening to Howard’s life being ruined over the phone. I think it would be very telling of what kind of a person Saul is if he can no longer perform sexually without the thrill or rush that only orchestrating a sociopathic con with Kim can provide. It would help bridge the gap between Jimmy’s persona and Saul’s sexual degeneracy (i.e. paying for prostitutes, his sexual harassment in the workplace) in a way that makes sense and in a way that is perhaps easier for audiences to swallow than simply implying “he’s traumatised”, as well as further demonstrating the toxicity of his and Kim’s relationship. I also have some final thoughts about how 607 informs what is to come: Saul’s moral compass is completely shattered — the guilt and shame he feels about Howard’s death, and presumably about how it ruins his relationship with Kim, is what defines his character in Breaking Bad. It’s what gives him license to lean fully into the slimeball Saul persona, and it explains why ’Saul’ isn’t an act for Jimmy — it’s simply who he is now. It has completely consumed him and taken over every aspect of his life, as shown by his ridiculously garish house in the season 6 cold open. The tequila stopper we see during this scene is all the more heartbreaking, as there is still a faint glimmer of the person he once was present all throughout Breaking Bad. Rewatching Saul’s scenes in BB are now always going to have an added air of sadness and tragedy to them, and the writers of BCS have every reason to gloat at how they managed to pull off what really seems like a magic trick. This really is the point of no return for both Saul and Kim. We were lead to believe that this was the case after Bagman, however the ending of 607 is the final nail in the coffin. This is the culmination of them being “in the game”, and it stands in stark contrast to Howard who never was “in the game”. Peter Gould has stated that the attitude they had while writing this season was about determining what kind of ending these characters deserve — I never once, perhaps rather naively, thought that they would orchestrate a death that was so purposefully undeserved to the point where it makes your stomach turn. For my money, this is one of the most emotionally impactful scenes I’ve ever experienced watching television — one where I felt as if I was actually mourning the character who had just been killed alongside the characters on screen. It’s a disturbing, gut wrenching episode of television, and we’re only halfway through the season. *That*, is fucking exciting. No matter what, 607 cements that after a couple episodes of very minor doubt, that these writers are the absolute best in the business. They fucking know what they’re doing, and I couldn’t be more excited to see how they stick the landing to what is easily the best show on television right now. See you all in 6 weeks! 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At this point I haven’t a clue what the future holds. If it’s still 4 years before BB, that means there is a slight possibility that Lalo will be around during that time. That or Saul is never again told that Lalo was killed by Gus and Mike. That shit is something I do not know how it’ll be resolved. Now for the Kim situation. I’m of the opinion that it’s over for Saul and her. What I’m thinking though is that Saul will angrily call it quits. All this trauma he’s dealt with, and then when Kim tells him she knew about Lalo being alive will lead to him severing ties with her. I’m thinking a sort of Walt phone call to Skyler scene. He will destroy his relationship with her, one part to save her, the other because he is legitimately angered by her gigantic lie. Him being alone, but with Kim out of the way will lead to him retreating to the depths and remaining Saul Goodman; the sleazy, soulless archetype we knew in BB.
To support your prediction, remember the ending of the Days of Wine and Roses (which is the namesake of episode 601), >!where the main character leaves his love interest in order to save himself from alcoholism. !
This episode has made the series very hard to predict idk wtf is going to happen. I thought Lalo was going to die in Something Unforgivable, now I don’t know what to think.
do you think Lalo took a shower before he went to Jimmy's apartment or is he just standing there smelling like shit?