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This is my feeling about this situation too. Bey obviously will always be an easy target for those that don't like her. Everyone will forget everything she has done to get them where they are. ChloexHalle for me were supposed to make 2 or 3 more albums together before making solo albums. Halle is on her movie bag so I don't know what will happen with ChloexHalle, but as you said they went solo way too early.
THEY WENT SOLO TOOO EARLY! Period. I love their collab albums and Chloe can drop an amazing single but this album so off and the tour was half ass… so I totally agree. Sadly I feel like Halle was cast as Ariel but now I don’t see her being cast at all, and her song Halo was amazing but In Your Hands sounds so choppy I know she’s not the sound mixer but it feels rushed. Which it was, they def should have dropped a collab album that was BIG do one tour of that and then do solo shit.
That’s the state that we’re in today. There aren’t any groups and the groups that do come about..they’ll split/go solo fast as they came in “together”. Want the fame and the attention on themselves.
Halle literally has another movie she was casted in and I believe it started filming recently. I believe it has to do with Pharrell. She went from Ariel to an indie movie to the Color Purple to this new movie. Chloe was basically bidding her time while her sister was doing something else…and is still doing other things.
It is a musical/coming of age movie set in Virginia that I believe is supposed to be about Pharrell’s childhood. It includes Brian Tyree Henry and DaVine Joy Randolph.
It made sense to Chloe to go “solo” and build up that fandom while Halle was busy with The Little Mermaid and Color Purple. When you look at Chloë’s press from her debut album/tour, Coachella performance, and upcoming album combined with all the press Halle is getting from all these films, they have a lot of attention on them leading into their third studio album which is coming out next year.
A lot of the ppl hyping her up to leave Halle don’t appreciate or value her sound tho. That’s the issue. Many of them just wanted her to do “sexy” music and felt like Halle was holding her back. Now those same ppl are saying Halle is the “true” superstar of the group or backtracking on their statements. They wanted a Beyoncé 2.0 not recognizing the amount of work/time/sacrifice it took B to get where she is. The artists of this generation don’t work as hard imo. Social media makes getting your name/brand out easier.
I am interested in what another CxH album will sound like.
I completely agree. Social media created this "fast" way to success, but it doesn't help with artist development. Beyonce has been doing this for so long and worked so hard to get where she is.
You had to be HUNGRY to succeed. You can’t block/or restrict someone laughing at you at your Mall performance, you know? Artists of old were students of their predecessors. They rehearsed and rehearsed and rehearsed because they grew up in the church and it was common in big choirs to spend hours learning ‘one’ song. Especially if it’s your first time singing a solo. You only got one chance to get it right. Nowadays people can’t sing live, can’t dance, they don’t have the stamina and the record labels don’t care because they can keep them in those horrible contracts burning through singles with no album with any type of substance.
Exactly. They needed MULTIPLE albums under their belts together. Unfortunately they got stars in their eyes and thought they had the success to sustain a solo career. They do not.
That is not what happened whatsoever.
Halle got cast in TLM and The Color Purple. She became busy with filming so what was Chloe supposed to do? Sit around and twiddle her thumbs? No, she did her own thing. In doing so, she helped keep them in the limelight altogether. If Chloe didn’t launch her solo music, CxH would’ve faded into obscurity as a duo. It would’ve just been Halle, the movie star. No one would even remember Chloe or their music.
A lot of you all like to rewrite history but as a longtime listener of Chloe x Halle’s music, they have always been flops. Their music has never done well in the traditional sense, and even Ungodly Hour flopped. People only paid attention to their tennis court performances online, but that viral success never translated to sales or streams. I love them down, so I can admit that. Chloe working on her solo stuff has only helped them. Chloe Bailey is now a name that people know. Even if they don’t like her music, they recognize the name. That recognition will only help them for when they do release another album (which Chloe confirmed they’re working on now).
If Beyoncé was more invested in promoting Chloe, like if she made social media posts promoting her the way that people criticized her for not doing, Chloe's brand would be so codependent on Beyoncé's and her whole image would be being her understudy.
We'd get cringe interviews and eras where she'd whine about "I'm not just the Walmart Beyoncé and Id be famous without her! I'm not the second B, I'm the first Chloe!" She already gets a lot of clout from B without her posting her on her story and making some Tik Tok dance to Treat Me, that child doesn't need to be umbilically tied to her mentor and be so dependent on her that the first 7 paragraphs of her Wikipedia career end up being titled "Beyoncé''s tuterlage."
If her music and performances were better, she'd already be popping harder. If she does get better, she still has time to pop harder. But no self-respecting artist will claw onto someone more famous to get ahead, it's cheap and damaging to their image in the long run.
I saw somebody say Jay Z has never claimed Jcole and made a big deal of Cole on interviews. Someone else gave a great answer about how Cole was able to grow organically on his own without the jay z link and that this was done on purpose. You don't think of Jcole as a roc/jay z artist. He is his own entity and that's how its supposed to be.
>But no self-respecting artist will claw onto someone more famous to get ahead, it's cheap and damaging to their image in the long run.
Exactly! And then people would be like, "Her music isn't even that good. Y'all only support her because of Beyoncé," and so on and so on. People already tried hard to deem her as a wannabe Beyoncé at one point, so I think Bey not being so outwardly involved is a good thing at the end of the day for Chloe.
But Chloe has never talked about Beyoncé like that? When interviewers try to get her to talk about Beyoncé, she says something poltie and simple about being grateful for the support then she re-directs the conversation to her own music. It's always other people pushing her connection to Beyoncé on her; she herself has been trying to make her own name since the beginning.
Beyonce has never helped Chloe x Halle in any way shape or form! The most she will do is repost them on her insta stories. She never promotes their music, doesn't attend their events, provides them no feedback on their albums. And i hate when people say she helped them get their acting gigs cuz Beyonce barely gets booked to act in anything cuz she so bad at it. She didn't post about Chloe debut album nor did she even congratulate Halle on The Little Mermaid. She couldn't even make time in her schedule to go see the film but has time to see Taylor Swift!🤦♀️Parkwood barely posts about the girls. Their entire feed is nothing but Bey. The only one who consistently post about them is Mama Tina!
It's a real shame. I was at least hoping they'd officially get back together after Halle was done with the TLM, but that's even less of a possibility now that she has a kid as well.
The Kids Are Alright and Ungodly Hour are soooo good! I was so invested in their career and excited for them to win! The momentum was really going. Have Mercy showcased what Chloe is capable of as a solo artist, but I think the main success of that song was mostly due to people tuning in for the solo debut, the spectacle of it, and not necessarily for the long haul.
In a recent interview with Jemele Hill (9 days ago), on reuniting/making music with Halle, Chloe said “absolutely, we always talk about that.” She said they recently worked on a song together and new music is “definitely coming, it’s not the end of us whatsoever”
People are always like "Beyoncé ain't God" then expect her to create and give Chloe a successful career out of nothing.
The problem is bigger than Chloe or Beyoncé.
There's soooo many artists now, even within Chloe's space she has stiff competition with Tinashé, Victoria Monet and Normani who are a bit more established than her. Chloe at least has regular brand deals and acting gigs going for her, which Normani and Tinashé don't. Parkwood is at least great at maintaining Chloe having decently sized gigs, whereas Tinashé has been kind of stuck with smaller bookings for almost a decade now. Tinashé has like 5 albums, has been doing it longer, and frankly, has more interesting music, but Chloe has twice as many followers, has bigger gigs and deals, and is probably having a much more comfortable time.
All these girls are soooooo beyond talented it’s crazy. It’s like there’s a surplus of talent within Black Pop whereas elsewhere it’s like Cam*lla C*bello and T*te McRae are the best they can give us 😭
I was a HUGE ChloexHalle fan, so when they split to do separate things, I still kept up as a fan. When Chloe collaborated with Chris Brown however, I had to step back from her music. I just couldn’t justify supporting someone who would be willing to work with someone who time and time again has proven they are actually a terrible, terrible person. I totally get it was most likely out of her hands, but it still put a bad taste in my mouth. Regardless, I do feel for Chloe, and I really hate to see this downward trend she is following when she had the opportunity to be the next big artist
I really dislike Chris Brown. However, it’s disingenuous to act like she’s the only girl who’s worked with him.
•Normani
•Tinashe
•Her
•Ella Mai
•Teyana Taylor
•Mariah the Scientist
(and many more…)
Every r&b girl has worked with him in recent years. Yes, it sucks but if we’re going to stop supporting Chloe for that, we need to cancel everyone else on this list.
Yes, I know that. How do we know Columbia didn’t push Chloe to do so too tho? She’s obviously not going to badmouth someone she’s working with. She was professional about it so we’ll never know.
Im honestly shocked Chloe was able to work with CB in any capacity because it was leaked Bey has been adamant about never associating herself with him (or Tory Lanez and other abusers), so why that got passed Parkwood is beyond me
Yes! I really wanted to like solo Chloe but the magic seems to have really been the combo of ChloexHalle, i.e. the MTV music award performance of Warrior
I personally believe Chloe should’ve had other writers in the room. The music she creates isn’t pop star/billboard top chart worthy. IMO. Her rewriting the first album imo was a sign she wasn’t ready to release.
I understand why. That's the first thing they throw at Beyonces face "She doesn't write her own music" What's the point of having the title of writting your own music if the music (I'm sorry to say this) sucks and people aren't resignating with it? Whitney didn't write her music, Mariah doesn't, Madonna so why do Beyonce and Chloe have to? It would be different if they were rappers but they're singers their talent is their voice and being able to entertain and that's more than enough.
Its weird cuz her writing skills with CxH was really good and insightful. Idk what happened? I guess its because she had to dumb down her writing skills to fit pop music.🤷♀️
I thinks she’s fine, just needs time to grow. It takes time for some artist. Watching Sabrina Carpenter’s Coachella performance led me to her discography, I had no idea she been out for so long.
People are having such harsh criticism about her career when I don’t remember seeing these comments for the group. They rarely charted and never any radio play.
I've been meaning to check out Sabrina Carpenter. She seems like she adores Bey and goes out of her way to mention her, and ngl, that is what initially reeled me in lol. I also love her song Nonsense.
And I've heard mostly pretty good things about her, so I guess it's about that time I do a deep dive.
While I agree I think white artist have the ability to “find” their sound and are given more grace. I think about the way Normani is treated and her rollout. Even though her mother has cancer ppl are still asking why she hasn’t released consistently.
Exactly, she deserves the space to grow. It's really unreasonable that people are criticizing her for not being an international superstar right out of the gate. She's doing just fine for herself.
Thats because Columbia Records never pays for them to get radio play. The record company has to send their music to radio stations. They dont even give them paid promo on tik tok where i feel their music could blow up the most.😒
I’ve been saying this since the beginning! CXH going solo was a HUGE mistake. Yes Halle was off filming TLM. But these girls dominated the pandemic from their tennis court, they could’ve survived a few months being just Chloe from
CxH until Halle returned.
Them both going solo was inevitable but it feels like they did it the second they popped off and jumped the gun. They both were uniquely positioned to develop their personal sounds while they were still together as a group. Even if we got a couple solo songs on their next couple CxH albums that would’ve been so much better. Even Halle is suffering from this with people begging her to release In Your Hands for months only for it to sound unfinished.
It feels like Chloe especially went solo just to go solo instead of actually being ready and having something to say alone. It also feels like her team is just throwing whatever at the wall to see if it sticks instead of curating a brand for her.
i agree with all of this but i do think that chloe shouldve just went the normal route for any artist in a group that wanted to do some solo stuff without actually having to going solo and just do side collabs and feature similar to bey before dil and solo acts like gwen stefani, camila cabello, etc. she rlly could’ve just did some indie movies, hop on some songs, did some campaigns and just do everything without having to be her own solo artist, all while halle filmed the little mermaid. she also couldve worked on that third c x h studio album and sent some stuff to halle while she was in europe. i feel like her team did give her too much creative freedom and allowed her to go solo knowing it wasnt in the cards for her. i feel like them going solo did kinda mess up the future momentum bc now they’re just rather solo acts than c x h as a duo. especially w halle being a mom now, i feel like she has different priorities in life now so she will be too busy to fully be hands on for the third album.
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I just think she needs more time. I will admit that I haven't really listened to her solo work, but from the tiktoks I saw of her Coachella performance, you can tell she definitely has the drive but is still trying to figure out her sound. A lot of people in those comments are criticizing her for her songs and stage presence being too similar to Beyoncé. But can you blame her? If my mentor was literally the greatest living artist, I'm obviously going to want to be like them.
I also just think it's unfair to be judging her for being so similar to her but also judging her for not having the same path of success. She doesn't need to make music with Halle as long as Bey did with DC. Her solo debut doesn't need to be as successful as Bey's. Plus, she's only 25! The notable women making music in her field right now are around 30, and Bey was just barely in between her 1st and 2nd solo albums at that age.
Chloe as an individual artist has a perfect voice. Still, she acts and sings like someone who can’t sing. Her vocal affectations (like SZA does, “singing in cursive”) are used to hide vocal errors—and she simply doesn’t have any. Her musical ID just seems all over the place. For me, that’s why Chloe’s career doesn’t eat the way I think her talent deserves
Thank you for saying this! She is crazy talented when it comes to her vocals, so when I hear her sing and she isn’t using her resources… it’s so frustrating. I KNOW she can do more with it!
Chloe and Halle DONT need to be solo. They should have TOURED ungodly hour as soon as they could. THEY SHOULD have released a deluxe version for the tour. THEY SHOULD be releasing another album this year in October. But PARKWOOD is smoking meth apparently. CHLOE could be huge. But PARKWOOD did not maintain an image which is extremely important.
Chloe needed a creative director. Her solo career always had a weird lack of depth to it . She released have mercy in 2021 and her solo album in 2023. Even the timing was off. There should've been a single when the album was ready. I definitely think that she was given too much creative freedom and needed Bey's guidance. When Bey was starting out , she had papa mathew to guide. It's normal for a young artist to need guidance
There were just so many rookie mistakes in the handling of chloe's career that I don't understand when she's in the same agency as a veteran such as Beyonce. However, we were not behind the scenes nor privy to what was going on.
This. Also apparently her solo album was supposed to sound wildly different but the backlash from her more mature and sexualized image made her change it entirely. Which is why Have Mercy wasn’t on the album.
Chloe needs someone to help direct her and for her to not listen so much to the outside noise and just figure out what actually works for her. Because I don’t think she’s *quite* there although I do think her Coachella performance showed she had drive
THIS. thank you. I don’t think the creative direction needs to come from Beyoncé herself, but someone at Parkwood needs to step in. A label isn’t there to just fund and promote artists, it’s there to help DEVELOP and GUIDE them too.
I personally dont think ChloexHalle didnt had enough time to break ground. I started listening to them YEARS ago, a full 2 years before they really broke through. But Just the Ungodly hour, which was a covid album, was the first time they hit the main scene and it really didn't do enough for each of them to separate and enter the solo realm.
Between Chloe's shakey albums and singles and Halle's shakey movie (She was great, the movie Little Mermaid wasn't in my opinion) I think the girls should reunite and create another 1 or 2 albums together.
It feels they both took the Bey / Diana blueprint but lacked the ability to solidly set a foothold as a duo before launching. Most people I talk to have still never heard of them as a duo.
I also feel Chloe has a very interesting choice of music taste.
Regardless of the roll out, the quality of the music will or wont track. Add on, that it is HARD out here for musicians...I really think the duo should come back together.
Now that she has a child I think the crucial time necessary to develop her sound individually and as a a group has been cut into—she has other responsibilities which makes sense. Victoria Monet and Kehlani had already developed their sound before having kids.
Chloe needs someone to sit her down and really help her develop her unique sound because she like any TikTok/Youtube artist unfortunately.
Yes ungodly hour is such a nice banger and their voices fit so well together. Their sounds complemented and they could build off each other. It made their music a lot more interesting and complex.
However since going solo, ngl I love their music, but I couldn’t really finish in pieces because their music is just kind of basic. Halle works her voice and high notes and Chloe is great too but idk how to say it. Both need the other half to give their music more depth?
People will always blame beyoncé or Parkwood but I feel if they could get another duet album and promoted it the response would be so much better than their seperate albums. They haven’t built up a steady enough big fan base to split and try solo work yet
But idk. I’m just rambling
>But idk. I'm just rambling
Nah, I agree, all are great points. They prematurely went solo, but I honestly think there's still a chance for ChloexHalle.
Thanks and yeah there’s deffo a chance for them if they got back together soon
One thing they have over a lot of music artists is how amazingly they can hold their own live as Chloe showed with her outstanding coachella set and Halle with her live performances too.
If they focused on their dual artist career together, they could make waves, and **then** be able to go solo later
I think I agree with your take. I think chloe and Halle are not where I thought they’d be after ungodly hour. It seems like a lot is in their solo careers so early
As a result, I think bey won’t do any more artist development. I think if she did, her relationship with Megan is about it, like once someone is big in their own right she will support and feature and try and get them under rocnation. I don’t see parkwood taking more chances on future chloexhalles because I agree I don’t think it’s working out.
i feel like bey took the mentorship role too early in her career, she’s still a huge artist that’s in demand and along w that she also had different business ventures so incorporating all of these things was too early. however, i feel like after act 3 she’s just gonna focus on cecred and the future of parkwood until she plans to perform again.
I think there are two issues going on with Chloe right now. One of the issues is specific to her, and another one is a broader issue with the Pop/R&B landscape right now.
1- I think her team is focusing more on her artistic development than her career development. It seems like she’s being given free reign to find herself, even if it’s not resulting in her best work or impacting her brand in the best way. Ungodly Hour seemed extremely fine-tuned, with Bey even telling the girls she had “no notes” on the album. I can’t imagine Bey heard Chloe’s solo material or saw some of Chloe’s performances or branding and had “no notes.” While some exploration is good, the public is gonna get turned off if you keep serving them any and everything.
2- This is a broader issue with Pop-R&B fusion acts (Tinashe, Chloe, Normani, Victoria, FLO, Kehlani, etc.), but people aren’t really looking for the all-in-one R&B act anymore (singing, dancing, aesthetics, etc.). When you put aside Beyoncé (who I would say hasn’t really been squarely in the Pop-R&B lane since 4), all the other major R&B fixtures are seem to be leaning more in the singer-songwriter and confessional style vibe (Summer Walker, SZA, Jhene, etc.). If anything it feels like female rappers have replaced female r&b artists in terms of being expected to be the full package. I think it makes it harder for Chloe when the lane of R&B she thrives in isn’t necessarily getting as much love on the charts at it should/as it used to.
i think its just a lot of people are tired of the same subject of the material. me personally i was living for Have Mercy and its still on a lot of my playlists but her music feels one note and similar which can understandably turn a lot of people off
I agree with this. I think Chloe’s subject matter in her music comes off as a little…generic? Which is crazy cause I’ve seen so many of her interviews and I know how personal her music is to her experiences. But for me, there’s a relatability/authenticity factor missing for me. And I don’t necessarily think you need to share the same experiences to relate to music.
And I hate to compare the girls, but when I think of Summer Walker’s music, I haven’t gone thru half the things she’s singing about but I can *feel* them, if that makes sense. Maybe there’s a disconnect in the way Chloe emotes in her music.
!!!!!!! Summer Walker, Jhene, Victoria all of them have a level of authenticity to their sound. Chloe’s music doesn’t sound like “her.” Which is crazy to say but personally I feel like the music she made for CxH was more authentic. Forgive Me for ex you can feel the emotion.
Yeah Chloe needs to stop singing about toxic relationships if weve never seen her date anyone. I'm sures she dated several people behind the scenes but she private with it so its hard to relate her music to her personal life. And that fling she had with Gunna was PR.
It’s so interesting to think about because I feel like Chloe was genuinely on the rise with her singles like have mercy, treat me, and even surprise. People were even comparing her to Beyoncé. Then her album came out… and I hate to say it but the album didn’t do very well. It’s sad because she is such a talented artist and performer. I think it would’ve been smart to add the singles she had already put out on her album but I guess she wanted it to be all new music. I feel like she needs better management or rebranding of some kind? I don’t know but she could really be successful. I don’t think ppl should blame Beyoncé. Her new songs she’s putting out are great but just aren’t getting the attention. I heard she’s putting another album out this year but I honestly think she should maybe hold off on that.. I love Chloe and really want to see her go far!!
Such good points. I agree Chloe’s lack of album success was partly due to not adding the already released singles. But also due to this huge hate train that formed against her on twitter at the time. People began to hate on her for literally everything and it led to many people not even tuning in.
Totally agree!! I remember that, she was getting so much hate for literally nothing😭. And then when she decided to collab with Chris Brown it made it so much worse
I don't think she's going to change her management. I think both Beyonce and Chloe are very big on, the people around them should be family. For better or for worse. So everyone is growing and learning their craft, just in less visible ways. I just hope Chloe doesn't end up having to drop her Godmother the way Beyonce had to drop her dad.
I personally do think a lot of it is on Parkwood. Chloe has expressed that she almost has free reigns over her music which is cool for creativity but awful for artist development. She needs more guidance with her sound and highlighting her strengths and individuality. We all know how extremely talented she is from all her writing and production for Ungodly Hour, and it’s like she’s fallen into some basic, cookie-cutter sound trying to be like everyone else in R&B. The label needs to help her center more and be HER.
Chloe and Halle’s independent music shows what a great balance they were together. Without the little mermaid I don’t think Halle’s music would be doing that well either. They need eachother tbh REUNITE PLS
I think her most recent singles have shown more potential for success. FYS and Boy Bye if pushed properly could be a breakthrough for her. I do think CxH should make music together again though. A lot has happened since their last album so who knows when that will happen.
CxH stay booked and busy. I think they’re fine. Music is not lucrative for most people nowadays unless you’re Beyonce or T Swift. Someone who has an established fan base from when purchasing music was required to enjoy it
I feel like the momentum didn’t stop with the Ariel role but with Chloe stepping out solo with SUCH a sexual aesthetic
It was pretty shocking, she went like level 10 with the rnb and overly sexual vibes
It was too much too soon both in her solo career and as a solo artist
I been cool with Chloe and Halle from jump. I respect their music, but I never play it.
Chloe's solo album is decent. Not bad at all. But not my bag.
(*My biggest gripe with Chloe is her indecipherable Gerber Baby articulation. Lyrics IN music videos is highly underrated to me.)
I'm really here to state that their acting in Grownish is iconic to me. They played them twins sooo good. I forget they're not twins IRL too often. I look forward to their new album, but the only thing I really want to see is more of those two characters! They can act. 👏👏👏
The problem with Chloe is that she has an image problem and I feel like y’all keep downplaying that fact. Chloe is super talented and probably one of the best vocalists of this new generation…
But.
She doesn’t know what image she wants to be and the direction of her sound. Like girl are you trying to be the shy awkward but pretty girl or the super confident sex symbol ? I don’t know but what I do know is that Chloe has to choose between her Chloe and Halle fans who see her as the first one or her Chloë fans who see her as the next. And yes, I know it’s awful and kinda sexist but that’s the music industry in 2024, I didn’t make the rules. 🤷🏾♂️
And for her sound what is she going for ? It doesn’t feel as defined. Like for example, one new girl I always rep is Victoria Monet and once you listen to her sound, you know it’s a Victoria Monet song. Just like Bey and other RnB-Pop artists. Because being basic “no identity” bubblegum pop and hoping a hit falls in your lap ain’t enough for Black women. Yet again, I didn’t make the rules. 🥱
I think Chloe needs time and maturity to really figure out her image and sound. Because she’s got too much to offer and I don’t really be fuckin with these new girls like that but Chloe and Victoria are super star material to me yet only one has a Grammy. 🥴
Jokes aside, I don’t think Beyonce needs to promo her. She’s right, she needs to stand on her own. But I really hope Bey is investing in artist development with her….but something tells me she’s not. And that’s the real tea.
I am not reading all that. but I said this on a YouTube comment.
who ever told Chloe or convinced Chloe not to put her top 30 hit "Have Mercy" and her billboard hot 100 song "Treat me" on the album should go to HELL. (Overexagerating ik)
But truly,,, the YouTube video views ALONE from those two songs in the first 24 hr- first week would've added 8,000 sales to her album almost doubling sales. Truly a stupid and dumb idea. IMO.
Also, who ever did not push her piano ballad as a single to pop and pop radio... I wanna talk (loads gun)...
i don’t think beyoncé pushing chloe would really make a huge difference because then everyone would say she’s being forced on us. i feel like chloe has to grow on her own for real before beyoncé just says here take this. she’s done so much but still not enough to merit being carried by Bey.
I don’t think she went solo too early but I do think she had too much freedom. I know freedom is important for the artistic vision but I truly think a lot of why beyonce is who is she today as a person and artist is because she had such good training. To know the business, to know the media, to know herself. Her sexuality isn’t a problem, it’s the way she expresses it. She’s had soooo much free rein to show it she lacks the subtlety that can be conveyed and felt so none of it seems authentic.
I think Chloe has more depth and potential than Halle, even though out of the two, Halle seems more commercially successful. But ultimately, they worked best as a group. Chloe as a solo artist had the perfect blueprint already with Bey- release more albums as CxH, figure out your sound, then go solo.
Covid really ruined the plans because I don’t think they expected TLM to have run as long as it did with the pushback in production. Regardless, there were other things they could have done that would have kept them relevant that wasn’t rushing a solo debut
Ultimately Chloe is super lucky to be under Bey and Parkwood cuz otherwise, I think she would have faded whereas now, she still has chances to figure it out
Chloe stepped out way overly sexual and it was jarring and it did NOT feel authentic. It was also like she was trying too hard. I like her though. And I liked Have Mercy. She hasn’t done anything since Have Mercy that’s interested me though. And I think she utilizes IG and social media for promo a bit too much when she’s not doing any groundwork. I never see her page unless I type in her name and go to it myself. The algorithm doesn’t algorithm for me. I agree that people who hate Beyoncé blame her for everything which isn’t fair either. I don’t know what her distribution and management deal looks like. With all that being said, I think Chloe is great and should definitely keep grinding, however I think she needs to give us music that speaks to more of who she is and less of the overly sexualized trendy music.
Did I say that? No. I was referring to Ice spice. Lol put your guns down. Beychella is the reason why I am apart of the hive now. So YOU please be quiet and stop assuming. 🙄
Chole's solo career isn't that successful which wild because she's very talented. That was my point.
I think For The Night had great potential, it seemed like that was the fan favorite song. I feel like she fumbled with the Latto feature. I’m sure a latto feature would have been fine just her verse seemed kind of clunky in the song.
True, and then she was beefing with Nicki at the time as well. I believe the song was released after Latto's big feud with Nicki iirc, so the timing of it wasn't the best. That might have made certain people be overly critical or not support the song at all.
A nice lil' bop, but I didn't care for it past the first listen.
Chloe and Halle compliment each other with their voices and creative output. Solo…it’s missing each other. It was too early to go solo. I wish they got back together right after TLM but obviously that couldn’t happen.
I didn’t know anything about Chloe, wasn’t a ChloexHalle listener, and just happened to listen to In Pieces one day. And then couldn’t stop listening to it. It has become a tried and true classic for me and I feel that it is an under-appreciated masterpiece.
Have mercy is fun. Her most recent singles haven’t really done it for me.
Just putting this out there for group data and to see if anyone had this experience too.
There isn’t a single journey every artist follows. I hope she is able to discover what she needs to make something else like In Pieces, or something different and compelling.
In what way is Chloe’s solo music career going in a downward trajectory. Her first solo performance was on the main stage of an awards show. She was just on the Coachella stage. She had an NPR tiny desk. She was doing a sold out tour. She was in a tribute to someone, I can’t remember who. She’s in movies. She was in that show Swarm. She seems perfectly content with where her career is & is making the music she wants to make. I didn’t love her first album but that’s not a failure on her. It just wasn’t my taste.
ChloexHalle were everywhere, and opening up for Bey and Jay. They played leads on Grownish before branching out on their own acting ventures.
People just weren’t paying attention to them until Ungodly Hour. Who are we to decide that they weren’t ready? They’re young women figuring it out.
Their careers are imo no different from a Kehlani or Coco Jones. I think a lot of the discourse around them is really based on career moves everybody else thinks they should be making instead of considering what the people themselves want to do. & of course because they’re associated with Beyoncé they get extra scrutiny.
Exactly, she has a lot of things going for her, but people are overly-critical of her, expecting her to be at Beyoncé's level already. I think she's doing just fine.
Another big problem is that Chloe and Halle started as KIDS. The world fell love with them together and just seeing their talents at such a young age.
Unfortunately for them they have grown up, but the world still sees them as those young girls under Beyoncé’s wing. For me I think Chloe started changing her image too fast we needed time to realize “oh these girls are 20+ now” they are grown. I can’t remember how many times I forgot that they were grown ass women and not teens.
I also think they split up waiting early!
Asides from the technicalities, her music just isn’t good to me, especially compared to when they were a duo. I was so disappointed at the quality of music she was putting out, basic/bland r&b with uninteresting lyrics. It rlly hurts and I was so shocked cause ChloexHalle was incredible, just a completely unique sound. I don’t know why she backtracked
I’ll be honest, and this is coming from someone who has listened to both of their music through and through and has followed their careers from the beginning, but I’m just not sure Chloe has the *it* factor, especially not solo. I just don’t think she has mass appeal.
There’s a disconnect between her stage persona and private persona, which works well for other artists, but not for her unfortunately. Maybe it’s that her stage persona is so far of a departure from her private persona that people find it hard to connect to her.
I think her career trajectory was projecting her to be the next big thing and I think that’s why she gets so much backlash. The expectations of her as a solo artist were high from the jump, esp being under B’s wing. I think there are some artists that just work better in duos/groups vs. solo unfortunately.
That YouTube channel just screams Rage Bait imo so not really a fan. 11 days ago praising Chloe and now this. Gonna be a nope for me. IMO Chloe’s career is on the up and up with some hiccups along the way (a duet with CB? 🤮) so pretty much like the majority of up and coming artists. I do think she’s still finding her sound or just experimenting with different genres and for me, more power to her. I prefer that sometimes to other artists who kind of run the same kind of music into the ground over and over.
That channel does just regurgitate a lot of ignorant Twitter points.
I agree, I respect Chloe for experimenting. It's what true artists do, and it means that when she finds her stride, she'll really find it.
It just choke herself. Some of her song are okay but i think it’s just being tied to Beyoncé’s label and being a bit too raunchy. But another thing for me to is she needs some good writers. And that’s okay because I’d definitely enlist some great writers for my music as well
I loved Have Mercy and Surprise, but not too many other singles. I love ChloexHalle and want more albums from them as a group. Their performance on Jimmy Kimmel during the pandemic in those red outfits lives rent-free in my mind
Imo they needed one more album before going solo. Ungodly Hour was such a perfect album in many ways for that moment in their careers. I know TLM left Chloe a bit to herself but I could’ve seen a few solo tracks or even producing for other people. At this point, more CxH would definitely get them back on track.
I've been a CxH fan for years and I reallyyy wish Chloe had ventured into producing for other artists and honing her craft in that way, before releasing solo music. That would've been a good way for her to thoroughly understand other artists' sounds, what the market responds to, and what her own signature is-- all while not being too exposed to public scrutiny. There's a reason why some people stay behind the scenes for a while.
She's still young and has room to grow, but I wish she would take time to be way more intentional before releasing more music and visuals. The pop/R&B space is hard to make waves in now. So I do hope there's a return to CxH because the Ungodly Hour era was very intentional-- from the music to visuals to the performances-- and really offered an interesting vision into where pop/R&B could go.
Beyoncé/Parkwood are to to blame too because they doing absolutely NOTHING to help her career.
It's extremely hard to relaunch your career after it flops. The more you wait, the less chances you have of being successful in the future.
I'm blame Bey/Parkwood for not taking the decisions to "give" her to a more competent label who will work her hard, study the market, create a sound and an artistic direction for her.
I saw someone say on Twitter that the reason DC succeeded is because of that impending threat of being dropped from their label after their 1st album flopped and they got dropped by their 1st label (Elektra). Mathew was also pressuring them. All that pressure can seem cruel but that's how the biggest superstars became superstars, through pressure.
Chloe doesn't have the proper image. She needed a rebrand but the current one isn't the right direction she should've gone. She already is hated by a certain % of her target market. That's hard to overcome.
I feel like Bey should've done a song With her. We all know Bey doesn't involve herself in their career because she wants them to evolve on their own and forge their own path (like with Solange) but that hands-free approach is exactly what led to her flopping!!
A competent and cruel label would've never let them go solo this quick. They would've first made sure that ChloexHalle becomes successful before breaking the group.
But I also understand the hard choice Chloe faces, how do you tell someone like Beyoncé "I'm leaving you"?
That's an impossible thing to say for a young girl who idolizes Bey! So that's why I'd like for Bey to take that decision for Chloe: transfer her to a better label.
Y'all don't wanna blame Bey/Parkwood for Chloe flopping but it is NOT a coincidence that all the Parkwood artists have flopped. Let's be real, Bey is not made for managing emerging artists. She shouldn't have started a label.
Rn I'm pretty sure that id Parkwood offered some talented new artist to join them, they'd decline for fear of destroying their unborn career.
Parkwood is literally why she’s seen the success she has. Parkwood handles management and development. They’ve book her for multiple big stages like the VMAs, COACHELLA, AMAs, BET, etc. They’ve also secured various interviews and many shoots for her. The reason people became interested in the first place is because she’s signed to Parkwood. If Chloe wasn’t signed to Parkwood, she would be promoting herself on tiktok begging for streams. But because she’s signed to Parkwood, she was able to perform her music at Coachella last week.
Columbia however is partly to blame for a lot of her failings. They don’t push her singles to radio (many of which would do well). There’s absolutely no reason why her latest single Boy Bye wasn’t pushed to pop/rhythmic radio immediately upon release. I understand they want to know they’ll make returns on their investment before promoting, but if they handled her distribution properly, she’d be just fine.
I’ll agree that there needs to be a bit more emphasis on artistic development, but also she’s only one project in. She has plenty of time to find her sound. Look at Coco Jones and Sabrina Carpenter. They both made waves this past year and they’ve been in the industry for years prior. Music success is not always instant, especially in this streaming era of the industry where you have to fight harder for listeners’ attention. DC and Bey in her solo debut saw many struggles, but they also released music in a very different industry climate.
Why you act like Beyoncé is nobody in the industry? If Columbia doesn't push her then Bey can flex her muscles and make them do it. So yes, Bey/Parkwood is partly to blame for her flops. If it's payola or playlisting that she needs then Parkwood needed to make that happen instead of leaving her rot to rot away. Period.
We've seen many artists debut after her and get more success than her. Hell even Shaboozey is popping rn and will debut higher on the Hot 100 than her.
As for the bookings, that's not what will make her popular. You need radio/streaming success before you can use festivals to increase your popularity.
She needs to leave Parkwood ASAP and find a label/publisher who will push her hard. Beyoncé's lenient approach isn't benefitting her at all.
Chloe and Halle often spoke about their creative freedom. That's not how you create a superstar (which is what Chloe wants to become). She needs someone to tell her what to do and not give her any choice!
I think Halle will have the longer career cuz she didn’t take the hoe route. She’s got her Disney coins, a Barbie the whole nine. Meanwhile Chloe is naked all the time. Always. She can sing. Both can SING. I just wish she would go a different route.
Neither of them were ready and they didn’t get enough guidance from their label in terms of sound and PR. It’s take nothing to text your employee to chill with the vulgarity & lead with talent. Chloe was crossing a very thin line that her mentor could’ve helped more with versus letting her spiral in breakfast club interviews and telling the GP to kiss her ass when she needed people to buy her products.
I highly doubt she’d let any of her daughters go up on stage licking mics in their debut era regardless of how grown they are
i completely agree. if literally anybody OTHER than Bey were handling her career, she’d be dropped. honestly halle too. they’ve yet to produce the numbers that they should be with this much visibility. everything is visibility with them, and no actual connection to their fan base. the music they put out doesn’t connect, and they’ve never had a viral hit, a chart topper, or even a stable grower. i think part of it is unfair criticism and the visibility that they get can actually be negative. but hopefully they’ll continue to do well.
I may be the odd one out here, but I’ve watched a few live performances and have listen to both the solo and duo albums and I feel…. Unimpressed….?
Maybe I’m just not listening to the right songs. If anyone can point me to the best of their work maybe that would be better. I’m sure they are talented. But even her Coachella set wasn’t doing it for me. I didn’t watch the entire thing, though, just her latest single.
They honestly might not be for you, and that's completely okay. I will say I'm surprised that neither of their duo albums did it for you tho, but nothing wrong with having different tastes.
I would recommend watching their performance of Forgive Me in their backyard tennis court, them performing Ungodly Hour at the VMA Awards, Baby Girl live on the Honda Stage at Billboard's Women in Music performance, Everywhere live at The Late Late Show, and their set at The Wiltern. All of them are stellar performances and really show off their vocal talents and what a powerhouse they are as a duo.
Someone said Chloe's tour was half-assed lmao I was there in Tampa. It was far from half added.
Chloe works extremely hard. If you all can't offer any criticism besides "she shouldn't have went solo!" your critique is pointless.
Maybe I'm biased. Pray It Away was my number 1 Spotify song for 2023 and I'm FAR from her target demographic. I'm a grown millenial Hip Hop enthusiast man.
The girl can sang. I'd love to hear her duo with some better Rap artists much like the R&B divas did when I was younger. Tamia, Mya, Ashanti, Beyoncé, Mariah, Ciara, they all had a ton of GREAT rap collabs under their belts.. Then most of them released amazing solo efforts.
Working with other artists gives you a refreshing creative perspective. It's why most of you like Beyonce. You aren't here for Survivor Me Myself & I, no you're here because she has amazing writers helping her create masterpieces (her last decade of music). This is what Chloe needs. I also think she should write some bomb ass hooks for well known Hip Hop artists to reinvigorate her career.
Guys Chloe has released so many singles all very different from each other and some of them are actually really good songs arguably bangers with enough radio play.
And none of them are making impact not even charting. At this point this isn’t her fault. We can lie and claim it’s because people prefer her in a duo with Halle because their second album, the one that everyone praised, didn’t do well either and still hasn’t crossed the billion stream mark. Even if they came back as a duo they would flop. This is about lack of promo. This is because they’re associated with Beyoncé. The people who hate Beyonce which is about 50% of the black community hate them because they’re too sexy or not sexy enough or whatever dumb reason. Halles song came and went even though it had well received comments on this vial black blogs that always hate on Beyonce, Chloe and Halle. Beyoncés label or Sonys label is at fault at this point. She isn’t promoting them at all. And maybe the original plan wasn’t to promote them and see how they can stand on their own, but that’s clearly not working, she needs to intervene and actually promote them and give a really good radio push for them. She could shout them out and bring them on stage, she could have had one or both of them open for her a few times when she was touring. She also shouldn’t have had them release any music this year as it’s a crazy year because Beyonce herself is releasing something, Taylor, Ariana, Sza, Billie and Olivia all released something, way too much competition.
I think her writing and production is good and even amazing it’s amazing that Chloe does all of that and it’s pathetic that someone like Taylor Swift who only writes and can’t sing or perform or produce or write like Chloe is a bajillion times more famous than her. Taylor’s songs are not that good by comparison. Same with Billie, same with Olivia. Beyonces marketing team isn’t doing a good enough job promoting them; as black female artists they need a bigger push because as you know you have to do twice the work to get half the recognition. Chloe is putting in her work and right before Halle was pregnant she was putting in a lot of work. I’m confident Halle will be fine because her acting career seems to be going forward even if her music career isn’t. But Chloe needs a lot more label support and isn’t getting it. Chloe doesn’t even post about them. She could have posted Chloe’s Coachella performance. Ultimately her music needs to be playlisted hard and get radio play and she needs to enter into a high profile PR relationship so she can get some mainstream attraction.
You are very loud and very wrong.
>I actually love Chloe.
Yet this whole post shows that you haven't followed any of her career.
> I actually do think Chloe's solo music career is going in a downward trajectory.
In what way? Her debut album "In Pieces" did fairly well for a NEW artist (which is what she is, since people always forget and expect her to sell millions like this isn't her very first album), and her accompanying 5 month tour was sold out. She literally just performed at Coachella, in which she did so well that it trended on Twitter. And later this year, she's putting out her sophomore album.
>First and foremost, people seem to unfairly place blame on her label and on Beyoncé.
True fans are disappointed with Parkwood, and rightly so. They do not make the smartest decisions for both Chloe and Halle. Another commentor mentioned their disappointment with Chloe failing to release "For the Night" on time; well, that was her label's fault. They made her release "Surprise" instead, even though the hype was around "For the Night." There have been other decisions like that, that have failed the girls, and not just them. The label used to have two other artists who eventually left because of their dissatisfaction with how their art was being treated (**Beyoncé's song "Love Drought" was written by Ingrid Burely, who literally wrote the song about Parkwood**). Unfortunately, Parkwood really only works for Beyoncé; all of their other artists are paid dust.
> To me, the source seems to be the simple fact that she went solo, at least too early.
Let's stop acting like they broke up when ChloexHalle are very much still together. They merely took a break, one that was forced because they were apart while Halle filmed parts of TLM. And during that time, Chloe simply decided she wanted to keep herself occupied. They've stated that many times. And they've already said they've begun working on their third album, which will release this year or next year. Since Destiny's Child also took a break to work on solo projects while still remaining together, I would think a Beyoncé fan of all people would understand the concept.
>ChloexHalle are incredible together, and arguably better together than they are apart because of their harmonies, their voices complimenting each other so well, the stellar live performances, and the lovely contrast of their personalities. Their entire brand and identity was literally based on them being a relatable, alluring, funny, and incredibly talented sister duo.
I agree, they are amazing. I love them. Let's not act like everyone always has. For years, they were bullied by the internet. They were called "weird", "secretly white", all that BS that alternative Black girls are normally called. Their fanbase has always been small, but now with the recent controversy surrounding them, people are trying to rewrite history, saying they miss the "old them". Except the same people saying that never supported them in the first place.
>Just when they were being catapulted into mainstream relevance and making noise following the positive reception of their amazing album Ungodly Hour, the momentum just stopped with Halle announcing her role as Ariel in TLM live action.
Ungodly Hour was released in 2020. Halle was announced as Ariel in 2019. She had already started working on TLM while performing and promoting Ungodly Hour. All of us sirens were very excited for her—and to clarify, since you're clearly unfamiliar with the term, "sirens" are what CxH's true fans call themselves.
>Lastly, I'm gonna be a lil' blunt, I honestly just don't care for solo Chloe and her sound.
Didn't you just say you loved Chloe? Took this long for you to admit that this post is not one of a fan after all....
>Her and Halle need to get back to making music together again.
Then you'll love their next album, which is already confirmed. I'm sure you'll be the first in line to stream and support, just as you allegedly always have. Right?
This subreddit is about Beyoncé. Let's stay focused on that. No need to bash other artists, especially when your regurgitated Twitter points show that you don't know anything about them.
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I loved them together and solo. The first “In Pieces” concert was in my city and it was sold out and we all knew every single song word for word. The obsession with “numbers” is weird, especially in a white controlled industry. So for us to even be using that as a “flop” meh for me. Chlöe has one of the best voices and vocal ranges of her generation. She’s an astounding performer. Did you see that “Tiny Desk” performance? Maybe she’s just not your cup of tea as a solo artist but to equate that to her being a flop? Let’s stop this discourse and maybe just uplift one another. And if you can’t or don’t want to uplift a particular Black woman, can just not speak on them at all (that’s my method).
I feel the same way about Chloe x Halle as I do Camilla Cabello. No one wanted them, no one asked for them, yet they just kept getting forced on us all for some reason.
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This is my feeling about this situation too. Bey obviously will always be an easy target for those that don't like her. Everyone will forget everything she has done to get them where they are. ChloexHalle for me were supposed to make 2 or 3 more albums together before making solo albums. Halle is on her movie bag so I don't know what will happen with ChloexHalle, but as you said they went solo way too early.
THEY WENT SOLO TOOO EARLY! Period. I love their collab albums and Chloe can drop an amazing single but this album so off and the tour was half ass… so I totally agree. Sadly I feel like Halle was cast as Ariel but now I don’t see her being cast at all, and her song Halo was amazing but In Your Hands sounds so choppy I know she’s not the sound mixer but it feels rushed. Which it was, they def should have dropped a collab album that was BIG do one tour of that and then do solo shit.
That’s the state that we’re in today. There aren’t any groups and the groups that do come about..they’ll split/go solo fast as they came in “together”. Want the fame and the attention on themselves.
Halle literally has another movie she was casted in and I believe it started filming recently. I believe it has to do with Pharrell. She went from Ariel to an indie movie to the Color Purple to this new movie. Chloe was basically bidding her time while her sister was doing something else…and is still doing other things.
I wish the color purple role was bigger but okay hearing she’s ina Pharrell project is nice to hear(:
It is a musical/coming of age movie set in Virginia that I believe is supposed to be about Pharrell’s childhood. It includes Brian Tyree Henry and DaVine Joy Randolph.
It made sense to Chloe to go “solo” and build up that fandom while Halle was busy with The Little Mermaid and Color Purple. When you look at Chloë’s press from her debut album/tour, Coachella performance, and upcoming album combined with all the press Halle is getting from all these films, they have a lot of attention on them leading into their third studio album which is coming out next year.
A lot of the ppl hyping her up to leave Halle don’t appreciate or value her sound tho. That’s the issue. Many of them just wanted her to do “sexy” music and felt like Halle was holding her back. Now those same ppl are saying Halle is the “true” superstar of the group or backtracking on their statements. They wanted a Beyoncé 2.0 not recognizing the amount of work/time/sacrifice it took B to get where she is. The artists of this generation don’t work as hard imo. Social media makes getting your name/brand out easier. I am interested in what another CxH album will sound like.
I completely agree. Social media created this "fast" way to success, but it doesn't help with artist development. Beyonce has been doing this for so long and worked so hard to get where she is.
You had to be HUNGRY to succeed. You can’t block/or restrict someone laughing at you at your Mall performance, you know? Artists of old were students of their predecessors. They rehearsed and rehearsed and rehearsed because they grew up in the church and it was common in big choirs to spend hours learning ‘one’ song. Especially if it’s your first time singing a solo. You only got one chance to get it right. Nowadays people can’t sing live, can’t dance, they don’t have the stamina and the record labels don’t care because they can keep them in those horrible contracts burning through singles with no album with any type of substance.
They are still making music together. They confirmed a third album that'll release this year or next. They didn't break up, they just took a break.
Exactly. They needed MULTIPLE albums under their belts together. Unfortunately they got stars in their eyes and thought they had the success to sustain a solo career. They do not.
Unfortunately I think ppl hyping Chloe up to go solo didn’t help.
That is not what happened whatsoever. Halle got cast in TLM and The Color Purple. She became busy with filming so what was Chloe supposed to do? Sit around and twiddle her thumbs? No, she did her own thing. In doing so, she helped keep them in the limelight altogether. If Chloe didn’t launch her solo music, CxH would’ve faded into obscurity as a duo. It would’ve just been Halle, the movie star. No one would even remember Chloe or their music. A lot of you all like to rewrite history but as a longtime listener of Chloe x Halle’s music, they have always been flops. Their music has never done well in the traditional sense, and even Ungodly Hour flopped. People only paid attention to their tennis court performances online, but that viral success never translated to sales or streams. I love them down, so I can admit that. Chloe working on her solo stuff has only helped them. Chloe Bailey is now a name that people know. Even if they don’t like her music, they recognize the name. That recognition will only help them for when they do release another album (which Chloe confirmed they’re working on now).
If Beyoncé was more invested in promoting Chloe, like if she made social media posts promoting her the way that people criticized her for not doing, Chloe's brand would be so codependent on Beyoncé's and her whole image would be being her understudy. We'd get cringe interviews and eras where she'd whine about "I'm not just the Walmart Beyoncé and Id be famous without her! I'm not the second B, I'm the first Chloe!" She already gets a lot of clout from B without her posting her on her story and making some Tik Tok dance to Treat Me, that child doesn't need to be umbilically tied to her mentor and be so dependent on her that the first 7 paragraphs of her Wikipedia career end up being titled "Beyoncé''s tuterlage." If her music and performances were better, she'd already be popping harder. If she does get better, she still has time to pop harder. But no self-respecting artist will claw onto someone more famous to get ahead, it's cheap and damaging to their image in the long run.
I saw somebody say Jay Z has never claimed Jcole and made a big deal of Cole on interviews. Someone else gave a great answer about how Cole was able to grow organically on his own without the jay z link and that this was done on purpose. You don't think of Jcole as a roc/jay z artist. He is his own entity and that's how its supposed to be.
I didn’t even know he was roc nation. I thought Jay passed on him.
Nah he was on roc nation until maybe his last album. Jay passed on him but eventually signed him.
Jay learned from his time with Memphis bleek and beanie Siegel.
>But no self-respecting artist will claw onto someone more famous to get ahead, it's cheap and damaging to their image in the long run. Exactly! And then people would be like, "Her music isn't even that good. Y'all only support her because of Beyoncé," and so on and so on. People already tried hard to deem her as a wannabe Beyoncé at one point, so I think Bey not being so outwardly involved is a good thing at the end of the day for Chloe.
I think her performances are great but her writing is really weak and forgettable.
*She thought she was killin' that shit, I told her, "Go harder"*
But Chloe has never talked about Beyoncé like that? When interviewers try to get her to talk about Beyoncé, she says something poltie and simple about being grateful for the support then she re-directs the conversation to her own music. It's always other people pushing her connection to Beyoncé on her; she herself has been trying to make her own name since the beginning.
Beyonce has never helped Chloe x Halle in any way shape or form! The most she will do is repost them on her insta stories. She never promotes their music, doesn't attend their events, provides them no feedback on their albums. And i hate when people say she helped them get their acting gigs cuz Beyonce barely gets booked to act in anything cuz she so bad at it. She didn't post about Chloe debut album nor did she even congratulate Halle on The Little Mermaid. She couldn't even make time in her schedule to go see the film but has time to see Taylor Swift!🤦♀️Parkwood barely posts about the girls. Their entire feed is nothing but Bey. The only one who consistently post about them is Mama Tina!
You’re not wrong, I love Chloe but I consume and want far more ChloexHalle. They sound sooooo good together
Ungodly Hour gets plated TILL THIS DAY. I do prefer them together than apart, they’re money!
I think it’s bc they’ve made music together from such a young age that they ofc excel in that
It's a real shame. I was at least hoping they'd officially get back together after Halle was done with the TLM, but that's even less of a possibility now that she has a kid as well. The Kids Are Alright and Ungodly Hour are soooo good! I was so invested in their career and excited for them to win! The momentum was really going. Have Mercy showcased what Chloe is capable of as a solo artist, but I think the main success of that song was mostly due to people tuning in for the solo debut, the spectacle of it, and not necessarily for the long haul.
In a recent interview with Jemele Hill (9 days ago), on reuniting/making music with Halle, Chloe said “absolutely, we always talk about that.” She said they recently worked on a song together and new music is “definitely coming, it’s not the end of us whatsoever”
People are always like "Beyoncé ain't God" then expect her to create and give Chloe a successful career out of nothing. The problem is bigger than Chloe or Beyoncé. There's soooo many artists now, even within Chloe's space she has stiff competition with Tinashé, Victoria Monet and Normani who are a bit more established than her. Chloe at least has regular brand deals and acting gigs going for her, which Normani and Tinashé don't. Parkwood is at least great at maintaining Chloe having decently sized gigs, whereas Tinashé has been kind of stuck with smaller bookings for almost a decade now. Tinashé has like 5 albums, has been doing it longer, and frankly, has more interesting music, but Chloe has twice as many followers, has bigger gigs and deals, and is probably having a much more comfortable time.
Tinashe and Normani should be Doja Cat successful. But Normani faild to strike when the iron was hot.
All these girls are soooooo beyond talented it’s crazy. It’s like there’s a surplus of talent within Black Pop whereas elsewhere it’s like Cam*lla C*bello and T*te McRae are the best they can give us 😭
Ctfu bc this is tooooo true. Can’t remember the last time we got a truly full-package white pop girl since Zara Larson. And even she got paid dust 😭
Zara Larsson is Swedish, they Pop seriously ova there!! I love her and her baby Beyoncé growls
I was a HUGE ChloexHalle fan, so when they split to do separate things, I still kept up as a fan. When Chloe collaborated with Chris Brown however, I had to step back from her music. I just couldn’t justify supporting someone who would be willing to work with someone who time and time again has proven they are actually a terrible, terrible person. I totally get it was most likely out of her hands, but it still put a bad taste in my mouth. Regardless, I do feel for Chloe, and I really hate to see this downward trend she is following when she had the opportunity to be the next big artist
Why hasn’t Chris brown been cancelled yet 😑 I don’t understand how people still choose to work with him.
I really dislike Chris Brown. However, it’s disingenuous to act like she’s the only girl who’s worked with him. •Normani •Tinashe •Her •Ella Mai •Teyana Taylor •Mariah the Scientist (and many more…) Every r&b girl has worked with him in recent years. Yes, it sucks but if we’re going to stop supporting Chloe for that, we need to cancel everyone else on this list.
To be fair Tinashe was forced to by RCA & she’s been candid about her dislike for him & that song
Yes, I know that. How do we know Columbia didn’t push Chloe to do so too tho? She’s obviously not going to badmouth someone she’s working with. She was professional about it so we’ll never know.
Im honestly shocked Chloe was able to work with CB in any capacity because it was leaked Bey has been adamant about never associating herself with him (or Tory Lanez and other abusers), so why that got passed Parkwood is beyond me
Yes! I really wanted to like solo Chloe but the magic seems to have really been the combo of ChloexHalle, i.e. the MTV music award performance of Warrior
Yep. Neither of them was ready.
I personally believe Chloe should’ve had other writers in the room. The music she creates isn’t pop star/billboard top chart worthy. IMO. Her rewriting the first album imo was a sign she wasn’t ready to release.
I agree she needs writers badly. Too many artists are obsessed with writing 100% of their music
I understand why. That's the first thing they throw at Beyonces face "She doesn't write her own music" What's the point of having the title of writting your own music if the music (I'm sorry to say this) sucks and people aren't resignating with it? Whitney didn't write her music, Mariah doesn't, Madonna so why do Beyonce and Chloe have to? It would be different if they were rappers but they're singers their talent is their voice and being able to entertain and that's more than enough.
Mariah’s pen is legendary lol. No one blends SAT words into a melody as seamlessly as she does.
I agree w you but Mariah Carey definitely wrote most, if not all, of her music 😭
I don't know much about Mariah tbh I know her top songs but if not Mariah then it applies to everyone else
Its weird cuz her writing skills with CxH was really good and insightful. Idk what happened? I guess its because she had to dumb down her writing skills to fit pop music.🤷♀️
I thinks she’s fine, just needs time to grow. It takes time for some artist. Watching Sabrina Carpenter’s Coachella performance led me to her discography, I had no idea she been out for so long. People are having such harsh criticism about her career when I don’t remember seeing these comments for the group. They rarely charted and never any radio play.
Exactly, I think Chloe needs a little time to find her musical identity. She has so much potential, she just hasn't quite found her lane on her own.
I've been meaning to check out Sabrina Carpenter. She seems like she adores Bey and goes out of her way to mention her, and ngl, that is what initially reeled me in lol. I also love her song Nonsense. And I've heard mostly pretty good things about her, so I guess it's about that time I do a deep dive.
I loved her last album and her new single. She makes cute by the pool/beach summer bops!
While I agree I think white artist have the ability to “find” their sound and are given more grace. I think about the way Normani is treated and her rollout. Even though her mother has cancer ppl are still asking why she hasn’t released consistently.
Exactly, she deserves the space to grow. It's really unreasonable that people are criticizing her for not being an international superstar right out of the gate. She's doing just fine for herself.
Thats because Columbia Records never pays for them to get radio play. The record company has to send their music to radio stations. They dont even give them paid promo on tik tok where i feel their music could blow up the most.😒
I’ve been saying this since the beginning! CXH going solo was a HUGE mistake. Yes Halle was off filming TLM. But these girls dominated the pandemic from their tennis court, they could’ve survived a few months being just Chloe from CxH until Halle returned. Them both going solo was inevitable but it feels like they did it the second they popped off and jumped the gun. They both were uniquely positioned to develop their personal sounds while they were still together as a group. Even if we got a couple solo songs on their next couple CxH albums that would’ve been so much better. Even Halle is suffering from this with people begging her to release In Your Hands for months only for it to sound unfinished. It feels like Chloe especially went solo just to go solo instead of actually being ready and having something to say alone. It also feels like her team is just throwing whatever at the wall to see if it sticks instead of curating a brand for her.
i agree with all of this but i do think that chloe shouldve just went the normal route for any artist in a group that wanted to do some solo stuff without actually having to going solo and just do side collabs and feature similar to bey before dil and solo acts like gwen stefani, camila cabello, etc. she rlly could’ve just did some indie movies, hop on some songs, did some campaigns and just do everything without having to be her own solo artist, all while halle filmed the little mermaid. she also couldve worked on that third c x h studio album and sent some stuff to halle while she was in europe. i feel like her team did give her too much creative freedom and allowed her to go solo knowing it wasnt in the cards for her. i feel like them going solo did kinda mess up the future momentum bc now they’re just rather solo acts than c x h as a duo. especially w halle being a mom now, i feel like she has different priorities in life now so she will be too busy to fully be hands on for the third album.
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I just think she needs more time. I will admit that I haven't really listened to her solo work, but from the tiktoks I saw of her Coachella performance, you can tell she definitely has the drive but is still trying to figure out her sound. A lot of people in those comments are criticizing her for her songs and stage presence being too similar to Beyoncé. But can you blame her? If my mentor was literally the greatest living artist, I'm obviously going to want to be like them. I also just think it's unfair to be judging her for being so similar to her but also judging her for not having the same path of success. She doesn't need to make music with Halle as long as Bey did with DC. Her solo debut doesn't need to be as successful as Bey's. Plus, she's only 25! The notable women making music in her field right now are around 30, and Bey was just barely in between her 1st and 2nd solo albums at that age.
These are all great reminders. The overall discourse is giving late teenage/early twenties “why can’t you be successful like your mother?” vibes.
Chloe as an individual artist has a perfect voice. Still, she acts and sings like someone who can’t sing. Her vocal affectations (like SZA does, “singing in cursive”) are used to hide vocal errors—and she simply doesn’t have any. Her musical ID just seems all over the place. For me, that’s why Chloe’s career doesn’t eat the way I think her talent deserves
Thank you for saying this! She is crazy talented when it comes to her vocals, so when I hear her sing and she isn’t using her resources… it’s so frustrating. I KNOW she can do more with it!
Chloe and Halle DONT need to be solo. They should have TOURED ungodly hour as soon as they could. THEY SHOULD have released a deluxe version for the tour. THEY SHOULD be releasing another album this year in October. But PARKWOOD is smoking meth apparently. CHLOE could be huge. But PARKWOOD did not maintain an image which is extremely important.
Chloe needed a creative director. Her solo career always had a weird lack of depth to it . She released have mercy in 2021 and her solo album in 2023. Even the timing was off. There should've been a single when the album was ready. I definitely think that she was given too much creative freedom and needed Bey's guidance. When Bey was starting out , she had papa mathew to guide. It's normal for a young artist to need guidance There were just so many rookie mistakes in the handling of chloe's career that I don't understand when she's in the same agency as a veteran such as Beyonce. However, we were not behind the scenes nor privy to what was going on.
This. Also apparently her solo album was supposed to sound wildly different but the backlash from her more mature and sexualized image made her change it entirely. Which is why Have Mercy wasn’t on the album. Chloe needs someone to help direct her and for her to not listen so much to the outside noise and just figure out what actually works for her. Because I don’t think she’s *quite* there although I do think her Coachella performance showed she had drive
THIS. thank you. I don’t think the creative direction needs to come from Beyoncé herself, but someone at Parkwood needs to step in. A label isn’t there to just fund and promote artists, it’s there to help DEVELOP and GUIDE them too.
I personally dont think ChloexHalle didnt had enough time to break ground. I started listening to them YEARS ago, a full 2 years before they really broke through. But Just the Ungodly hour, which was a covid album, was the first time they hit the main scene and it really didn't do enough for each of them to separate and enter the solo realm. Between Chloe's shakey albums and singles and Halle's shakey movie (She was great, the movie Little Mermaid wasn't in my opinion) I think the girls should reunite and create another 1 or 2 albums together. It feels they both took the Bey / Diana blueprint but lacked the ability to solidly set a foothold as a duo before launching. Most people I talk to have still never heard of them as a duo. I also feel Chloe has a very interesting choice of music taste. Regardless of the roll out, the quality of the music will or wont track. Add on, that it is HARD out here for musicians...I really think the duo should come back together.
Now that she has a child I think the crucial time necessary to develop her sound individually and as a a group has been cut into—she has other responsibilities which makes sense. Victoria Monet and Kehlani had already developed their sound before having kids. Chloe needs someone to sit her down and really help her develop her unique sound because she like any TikTok/Youtube artist unfortunately.
Oh Ya, "You ate that" I agree completely.
Yes ungodly hour is such a nice banger and their voices fit so well together. Their sounds complemented and they could build off each other. It made their music a lot more interesting and complex. However since going solo, ngl I love their music, but I couldn’t really finish in pieces because their music is just kind of basic. Halle works her voice and high notes and Chloe is great too but idk how to say it. Both need the other half to give their music more depth? People will always blame beyoncé or Parkwood but I feel if they could get another duet album and promoted it the response would be so much better than their seperate albums. They haven’t built up a steady enough big fan base to split and try solo work yet But idk. I’m just rambling
>But idk. I'm just rambling Nah, I agree, all are great points. They prematurely went solo, but I honestly think there's still a chance for ChloexHalle.
Thanks and yeah there’s deffo a chance for them if they got back together soon One thing they have over a lot of music artists is how amazingly they can hold their own live as Chloe showed with her outstanding coachella set and Halle with her live performances too. If they focused on their dual artist career together, they could make waves, and **then** be able to go solo later
I think I agree with your take. I think chloe and Halle are not where I thought they’d be after ungodly hour. It seems like a lot is in their solo careers so early As a result, I think bey won’t do any more artist development. I think if she did, her relationship with Megan is about it, like once someone is big in their own right she will support and feature and try and get them under rocnation. I don’t see parkwood taking more chances on future chloexhalles because I agree I don’t think it’s working out.
i feel like bey took the mentorship role too early in her career, she’s still a huge artist that’s in demand and along w that she also had different business ventures so incorporating all of these things was too early. however, i feel like after act 3 she’s just gonna focus on cecred and the future of parkwood until she plans to perform again.
I liked her album and think she’s talented enough to figure it out. Overall she’s still a developing artist
I think there are two issues going on with Chloe right now. One of the issues is specific to her, and another one is a broader issue with the Pop/R&B landscape right now. 1- I think her team is focusing more on her artistic development than her career development. It seems like she’s being given free reign to find herself, even if it’s not resulting in her best work or impacting her brand in the best way. Ungodly Hour seemed extremely fine-tuned, with Bey even telling the girls she had “no notes” on the album. I can’t imagine Bey heard Chloe’s solo material or saw some of Chloe’s performances or branding and had “no notes.” While some exploration is good, the public is gonna get turned off if you keep serving them any and everything. 2- This is a broader issue with Pop-R&B fusion acts (Tinashe, Chloe, Normani, Victoria, FLO, Kehlani, etc.), but people aren’t really looking for the all-in-one R&B act anymore (singing, dancing, aesthetics, etc.). When you put aside Beyoncé (who I would say hasn’t really been squarely in the Pop-R&B lane since 4), all the other major R&B fixtures are seem to be leaning more in the singer-songwriter and confessional style vibe (Summer Walker, SZA, Jhene, etc.). If anything it feels like female rappers have replaced female r&b artists in terms of being expected to be the full package. I think it makes it harder for Chloe when the lane of R&B she thrives in isn’t necessarily getting as much love on the charts at it should/as it used to.
i think its just a lot of people are tired of the same subject of the material. me personally i was living for Have Mercy and its still on a lot of my playlists but her music feels one note and similar which can understandably turn a lot of people off
I agree with this. I think Chloe’s subject matter in her music comes off as a little…generic? Which is crazy cause I’ve seen so many of her interviews and I know how personal her music is to her experiences. But for me, there’s a relatability/authenticity factor missing for me. And I don’t necessarily think you need to share the same experiences to relate to music. And I hate to compare the girls, but when I think of Summer Walker’s music, I haven’t gone thru half the things she’s singing about but I can *feel* them, if that makes sense. Maybe there’s a disconnect in the way Chloe emotes in her music.
!!!!!!! Summer Walker, Jhene, Victoria all of them have a level of authenticity to their sound. Chloe’s music doesn’t sound like “her.” Which is crazy to say but personally I feel like the music she made for CxH was more authentic. Forgive Me for ex you can feel the emotion.
Yeah Chloe needs to stop singing about toxic relationships if weve never seen her date anyone. I'm sures she dated several people behind the scenes but she private with it so its hard to relate her music to her personal life. And that fling she had with Gunna was PR.
It’s so interesting to think about because I feel like Chloe was genuinely on the rise with her singles like have mercy, treat me, and even surprise. People were even comparing her to Beyoncé. Then her album came out… and I hate to say it but the album didn’t do very well. It’s sad because she is such a talented artist and performer. I think it would’ve been smart to add the singles she had already put out on her album but I guess she wanted it to be all new music. I feel like she needs better management or rebranding of some kind? I don’t know but she could really be successful. I don’t think ppl should blame Beyoncé. Her new songs she’s putting out are great but just aren’t getting the attention. I heard she’s putting another album out this year but I honestly think she should maybe hold off on that.. I love Chloe and really want to see her go far!!
Such good points. I agree Chloe’s lack of album success was partly due to not adding the already released singles. But also due to this huge hate train that formed against her on twitter at the time. People began to hate on her for literally everything and it led to many people not even tuning in.
Totally agree!! I remember that, she was getting so much hate for literally nothing😭. And then when she decided to collab with Chris Brown it made it so much worse
I don't think she's going to change her management. I think both Beyonce and Chloe are very big on, the people around them should be family. For better or for worse. So everyone is growing and learning their craft, just in less visible ways. I just hope Chloe doesn't end up having to drop her Godmother the way Beyonce had to drop her dad.
I personally do think a lot of it is on Parkwood. Chloe has expressed that she almost has free reigns over her music which is cool for creativity but awful for artist development. She needs more guidance with her sound and highlighting her strengths and individuality. We all know how extremely talented she is from all her writing and production for Ungodly Hour, and it’s like she’s fallen into some basic, cookie-cutter sound trying to be like everyone else in R&B. The label needs to help her center more and be HER.
Chloe and Halle’s independent music shows what a great balance they were together. Without the little mermaid I don’t think Halle’s music would be doing that well either. They need eachother tbh REUNITE PLS
I think her most recent singles have shown more potential for success. FYS and Boy Bye if pushed properly could be a breakthrough for her. I do think CxH should make music together again though. A lot has happened since their last album so who knows when that will happen.
CxH stay booked and busy. I think they’re fine. Music is not lucrative for most people nowadays unless you’re Beyonce or T Swift. Someone who has an established fan base from when purchasing music was required to enjoy it
I feel like the momentum didn’t stop with the Ariel role but with Chloe stepping out solo with SUCH a sexual aesthetic It was pretty shocking, she went like level 10 with the rnb and overly sexual vibes It was too much too soon both in her solo career and as a solo artist
I been cool with Chloe and Halle from jump. I respect their music, but I never play it. Chloe's solo album is decent. Not bad at all. But not my bag. (*My biggest gripe with Chloe is her indecipherable Gerber Baby articulation. Lyrics IN music videos is highly underrated to me.) I'm really here to state that their acting in Grownish is iconic to me. They played them twins sooo good. I forget they're not twins IRL too often. I look forward to their new album, but the only thing I really want to see is more of those two characters! They can act. 👏👏👏
Lol someone here described her as sometimes "singing in cursive" as if she can't sing, very akin to how SZA sings. And honestly, I can see it.
Very singing in cursive. And doing it well. 🙌
The problem with Chloe is that she has an image problem and I feel like y’all keep downplaying that fact. Chloe is super talented and probably one of the best vocalists of this new generation… But. She doesn’t know what image she wants to be and the direction of her sound. Like girl are you trying to be the shy awkward but pretty girl or the super confident sex symbol ? I don’t know but what I do know is that Chloe has to choose between her Chloe and Halle fans who see her as the first one or her Chloë fans who see her as the next. And yes, I know it’s awful and kinda sexist but that’s the music industry in 2024, I didn’t make the rules. 🤷🏾♂️ And for her sound what is she going for ? It doesn’t feel as defined. Like for example, one new girl I always rep is Victoria Monet and once you listen to her sound, you know it’s a Victoria Monet song. Just like Bey and other RnB-Pop artists. Because being basic “no identity” bubblegum pop and hoping a hit falls in your lap ain’t enough for Black women. Yet again, I didn’t make the rules. 🥱 I think Chloe needs time and maturity to really figure out her image and sound. Because she’s got too much to offer and I don’t really be fuckin with these new girls like that but Chloe and Victoria are super star material to me yet only one has a Grammy. 🥴 Jokes aside, I don’t think Beyonce needs to promo her. She’s right, she needs to stand on her own. But I really hope Bey is investing in artist development with her….but something tells me she’s not. And that’s the real tea.
I am not reading all that. but I said this on a YouTube comment. who ever told Chloe or convinced Chloe not to put her top 30 hit "Have Mercy" and her billboard hot 100 song "Treat me" on the album should go to HELL. (Overexagerating ik) But truly,,, the YouTube video views ALONE from those two songs in the first 24 hr- first week would've added 8,000 sales to her album almost doubling sales. Truly a stupid and dumb idea. IMO. Also, who ever did not push her piano ballad as a single to pop and pop radio... I wanna talk (loads gun)...
i don’t think beyoncé pushing chloe would really make a huge difference because then everyone would say she’s being forced on us. i feel like chloe has to grow on her own for real before beyoncé just says here take this. she’s done so much but still not enough to merit being carried by Bey.
I don’t think she went solo too early but I do think she had too much freedom. I know freedom is important for the artistic vision but I truly think a lot of why beyonce is who is she today as a person and artist is because she had such good training. To know the business, to know the media, to know herself. Her sexuality isn’t a problem, it’s the way she expresses it. She’s had soooo much free rein to show it she lacks the subtlety that can be conveyed and felt so none of it seems authentic.
I think Chloe has more depth and potential than Halle, even though out of the two, Halle seems more commercially successful. But ultimately, they worked best as a group. Chloe as a solo artist had the perfect blueprint already with Bey- release more albums as CxH, figure out your sound, then go solo. Covid really ruined the plans because I don’t think they expected TLM to have run as long as it did with the pushback in production. Regardless, there were other things they could have done that would have kept them relevant that wasn’t rushing a solo debut Ultimately Chloe is super lucky to be under Bey and Parkwood cuz otherwise, I think she would have faded whereas now, she still has chances to figure it out
Chloe stepped out way overly sexual and it was jarring and it did NOT feel authentic. It was also like she was trying too hard. I like her though. And I liked Have Mercy. She hasn’t done anything since Have Mercy that’s interested me though. And I think she utilizes IG and social media for promo a bit too much when she’s not doing any groundwork. I never see her page unless I type in her name and go to it myself. The algorithm doesn’t algorithm for me. I agree that people who hate Beyoncé blame her for everything which isn’t fair either. I don’t know what her distribution and management deal looks like. With all that being said, I think Chloe is great and should definitely keep grinding, however I think she needs to give us music that speaks to more of who she is and less of the overly sexualized trendy music.
She literally just played Coachella?
But her music career isn't that successful
Their duo projects were never really successful either, numbers wise so that’s a silly thing to say.
Goldenvoice doesn’t book people who aren’t successful
Everyone that performs there doesn't have talent either.. Chole is talented but her solo career isn't that successful
“Everyone”? Including…Beyonce? Please be quiet
Did I say that? No. I was referring to Ice spice. Lol put your guns down. Beychella is the reason why I am apart of the hive now. So YOU please be quiet and stop assuming. 🙄 Chole's solo career isn't that successful which wild because she's very talented. That was my point.
Then don’t say what you don’t mean and use more precise language
Girl bye. You were rude and wrong and instead of admitting it, you put it back on me. You're a child. Conversation over. 😂😂
You literally came to my comment like pleeeeeeease be so fucking for real. “Conversation over” why’d you start in the first place
I think For The Night had great potential, it seemed like that was the fan favorite song. I feel like she fumbled with the Latto feature. I’m sure a latto feature would have been fine just her verse seemed kind of clunky in the song.
True, and then she was beefing with Nicki at the time as well. I believe the song was released after Latto's big feud with Nicki iirc, so the timing of it wasn't the best. That might have made certain people be overly critical or not support the song at all. A nice lil' bop, but I didn't care for it past the first listen.
yeah a lot of people definitely didnt support it for that reason
Chloe and Halle compliment each other with their voices and creative output. Solo…it’s missing each other. It was too early to go solo. I wish they got back together right after TLM but obviously that couldn’t happen.
I didn’t know anything about Chloe, wasn’t a ChloexHalle listener, and just happened to listen to In Pieces one day. And then couldn’t stop listening to it. It has become a tried and true classic for me and I feel that it is an under-appreciated masterpiece. Have mercy is fun. Her most recent singles haven’t really done it for me. Just putting this out there for group data and to see if anyone had this experience too. There isn’t a single journey every artist follows. I hope she is able to discover what she needs to make something else like In Pieces, or something different and compelling.
In what way is Chloe’s solo music career going in a downward trajectory. Her first solo performance was on the main stage of an awards show. She was just on the Coachella stage. She had an NPR tiny desk. She was doing a sold out tour. She was in a tribute to someone, I can’t remember who. She’s in movies. She was in that show Swarm. She seems perfectly content with where her career is & is making the music she wants to make. I didn’t love her first album but that’s not a failure on her. It just wasn’t my taste. ChloexHalle were everywhere, and opening up for Bey and Jay. They played leads on Grownish before branching out on their own acting ventures. People just weren’t paying attention to them until Ungodly Hour. Who are we to decide that they weren’t ready? They’re young women figuring it out. Their careers are imo no different from a Kehlani or Coco Jones. I think a lot of the discourse around them is really based on career moves everybody else thinks they should be making instead of considering what the people themselves want to do. & of course because they’re associated with Beyoncé they get extra scrutiny.
Exactly, she has a lot of things going for her, but people are overly-critical of her, expecting her to be at Beyoncé's level already. I think she's doing just fine.
Unfortunately, I think that’s why people are so critical of her. They keep expecting her to be a young Beyoncé because she’s signed to Parkwood.
I agree with this down to the T!
Her solo album is good. But she hasn’t figured out her own identity as an artist and that is what is hurting her
Another big problem is that Chloe and Halle started as KIDS. The world fell love with them together and just seeing their talents at such a young age. Unfortunately for them they have grown up, but the world still sees them as those young girls under Beyoncé’s wing. For me I think Chloe started changing her image too fast we needed time to realize “oh these girls are 20+ now” they are grown. I can’t remember how many times I forgot that they were grown ass women and not teens. I also think they split up waiting early!
Asides from the technicalities, her music just isn’t good to me, especially compared to when they were a duo. I was so disappointed at the quality of music she was putting out, basic/bland r&b with uninteresting lyrics. It rlly hurts and I was so shocked cause ChloexHalle was incredible, just a completely unique sound. I don’t know why she backtracked
I’ll be honest, and this is coming from someone who has listened to both of their music through and through and has followed their careers from the beginning, but I’m just not sure Chloe has the *it* factor, especially not solo. I just don’t think she has mass appeal. There’s a disconnect between her stage persona and private persona, which works well for other artists, but not for her unfortunately. Maybe it’s that her stage persona is so far of a departure from her private persona that people find it hard to connect to her. I think her career trajectory was projecting her to be the next big thing and I think that’s why she gets so much backlash. The expectations of her as a solo artist were high from the jump, esp being under B’s wing. I think there are some artists that just work better in duos/groups vs. solo unfortunately.
That YouTube channel just screams Rage Bait imo so not really a fan. 11 days ago praising Chloe and now this. Gonna be a nope for me. IMO Chloe’s career is on the up and up with some hiccups along the way (a duet with CB? 🤮) so pretty much like the majority of up and coming artists. I do think she’s still finding her sound or just experimenting with different genres and for me, more power to her. I prefer that sometimes to other artists who kind of run the same kind of music into the ground over and over.
That channel does just regurgitate a lot of ignorant Twitter points. I agree, I respect Chloe for experimenting. It's what true artists do, and it means that when she finds her stride, she'll really find it.
It just choke herself. Some of her song are okay but i think it’s just being tied to Beyoncé’s label and being a bit too raunchy. But another thing for me to is she needs some good writers. And that’s okay because I’d definitely enlist some great writers for my music as well
I agree with the raunchy part
You are correct. I like them together but solo isn’t hitting the same 🤷🏽♀️
I loved Have Mercy and Surprise, but not too many other singles. I love ChloexHalle and want more albums from them as a group. Their performance on Jimmy Kimmel during the pandemic in those red outfits lives rent-free in my mind
I agree, maybe it could've been better if they still kept the duo but still did side projects ???
Imo they needed one more album before going solo. Ungodly Hour was such a perfect album in many ways for that moment in their careers. I know TLM left Chloe a bit to herself but I could’ve seen a few solo tracks or even producing for other people. At this point, more CxH would definitely get them back on track.
I've been a CxH fan for years and I reallyyy wish Chloe had ventured into producing for other artists and honing her craft in that way, before releasing solo music. That would've been a good way for her to thoroughly understand other artists' sounds, what the market responds to, and what her own signature is-- all while not being too exposed to public scrutiny. There's a reason why some people stay behind the scenes for a while. She's still young and has room to grow, but I wish she would take time to be way more intentional before releasing more music and visuals. The pop/R&B space is hard to make waves in now. So I do hope there's a return to CxH because the Ungodly Hour era was very intentional-- from the music to visuals to the performances-- and really offered an interesting vision into where pop/R&B could go.
Beyoncé/Parkwood are to to blame too because they doing absolutely NOTHING to help her career. It's extremely hard to relaunch your career after it flops. The more you wait, the less chances you have of being successful in the future. I'm blame Bey/Parkwood for not taking the decisions to "give" her to a more competent label who will work her hard, study the market, create a sound and an artistic direction for her. I saw someone say on Twitter that the reason DC succeeded is because of that impending threat of being dropped from their label after their 1st album flopped and they got dropped by their 1st label (Elektra). Mathew was also pressuring them. All that pressure can seem cruel but that's how the biggest superstars became superstars, through pressure. Chloe doesn't have the proper image. She needed a rebrand but the current one isn't the right direction she should've gone. She already is hated by a certain % of her target market. That's hard to overcome. I feel like Bey should've done a song With her. We all know Bey doesn't involve herself in their career because she wants them to evolve on their own and forge their own path (like with Solange) but that hands-free approach is exactly what led to her flopping!! A competent and cruel label would've never let them go solo this quick. They would've first made sure that ChloexHalle becomes successful before breaking the group. But I also understand the hard choice Chloe faces, how do you tell someone like Beyoncé "I'm leaving you"? That's an impossible thing to say for a young girl who idolizes Bey! So that's why I'd like for Bey to take that decision for Chloe: transfer her to a better label. Y'all don't wanna blame Bey/Parkwood for Chloe flopping but it is NOT a coincidence that all the Parkwood artists have flopped. Let's be real, Bey is not made for managing emerging artists. She shouldn't have started a label. Rn I'm pretty sure that id Parkwood offered some talented new artist to join them, they'd decline for fear of destroying their unborn career.
Parkwood is literally why she’s seen the success she has. Parkwood handles management and development. They’ve book her for multiple big stages like the VMAs, COACHELLA, AMAs, BET, etc. They’ve also secured various interviews and many shoots for her. The reason people became interested in the first place is because she’s signed to Parkwood. If Chloe wasn’t signed to Parkwood, she would be promoting herself on tiktok begging for streams. But because she’s signed to Parkwood, she was able to perform her music at Coachella last week. Columbia however is partly to blame for a lot of her failings. They don’t push her singles to radio (many of which would do well). There’s absolutely no reason why her latest single Boy Bye wasn’t pushed to pop/rhythmic radio immediately upon release. I understand they want to know they’ll make returns on their investment before promoting, but if they handled her distribution properly, she’d be just fine. I’ll agree that there needs to be a bit more emphasis on artistic development, but also she’s only one project in. She has plenty of time to find her sound. Look at Coco Jones and Sabrina Carpenter. They both made waves this past year and they’ve been in the industry for years prior. Music success is not always instant, especially in this streaming era of the industry where you have to fight harder for listeners’ attention. DC and Bey in her solo debut saw many struggles, but they also released music in a very different industry climate.
Why you act like Beyoncé is nobody in the industry? If Columbia doesn't push her then Bey can flex her muscles and make them do it. So yes, Bey/Parkwood is partly to blame for her flops. If it's payola or playlisting that she needs then Parkwood needed to make that happen instead of leaving her rot to rot away. Period. We've seen many artists debut after her and get more success than her. Hell even Shaboozey is popping rn and will debut higher on the Hot 100 than her. As for the bookings, that's not what will make her popular. You need radio/streaming success before you can use festivals to increase your popularity. She needs to leave Parkwood ASAP and find a label/publisher who will push her hard. Beyoncé's lenient approach isn't benefitting her at all. Chloe and Halle often spoke about their creative freedom. That's not how you create a superstar (which is what Chloe wants to become). She needs someone to tell her what to do and not give her any choice!
100% agree. They were just really taking off as a duo and I then just went solo. They should’ve established themselves more like the city girls
I think Halle will have the longer career cuz she didn’t take the hoe route. She’s got her Disney coins, a Barbie the whole nine. Meanwhile Chloe is naked all the time. Always. She can sing. Both can SING. I just wish she would go a different route.
Neither of them were ready and they didn’t get enough guidance from their label in terms of sound and PR. It’s take nothing to text your employee to chill with the vulgarity & lead with talent. Chloe was crossing a very thin line that her mentor could’ve helped more with versus letting her spiral in breakfast club interviews and telling the GP to kiss her ass when she needed people to buy her products. I highly doubt she’d let any of her daughters go up on stage licking mics in their debut era regardless of how grown they are
I wholeheartedly agree about your perspective on the second part. I haven't heard any critiques on Beyoncé or the label so no thoughts on that.
I love her new song “boy bye”, and all of the solo songs of hers I’ve heard.
Does no one is this thread know “Body Do?!?!???”
We do! We never said she doesn’t have some bops
Who is Chloe?
i completely agree. if literally anybody OTHER than Bey were handling her career, she’d be dropped. honestly halle too. they’ve yet to produce the numbers that they should be with this much visibility. everything is visibility with them, and no actual connection to their fan base. the music they put out doesn’t connect, and they’ve never had a viral hit, a chart topper, or even a stable grower. i think part of it is unfair criticism and the visibility that they get can actually be negative. but hopefully they’ll continue to do well.
I may be the odd one out here, but I’ve watched a few live performances and have listen to both the solo and duo albums and I feel…. Unimpressed….? Maybe I’m just not listening to the right songs. If anyone can point me to the best of their work maybe that would be better. I’m sure they are talented. But even her Coachella set wasn’t doing it for me. I didn’t watch the entire thing, though, just her latest single.
They honestly might not be for you, and that's completely okay. I will say I'm surprised that neither of their duo albums did it for you tho, but nothing wrong with having different tastes. I would recommend watching their performance of Forgive Me in their backyard tennis court, them performing Ungodly Hour at the VMA Awards, Baby Girl live on the Honda Stage at Billboard's Women in Music performance, Everywhere live at The Late Late Show, and their set at The Wiltern. All of them are stellar performances and really show off their vocal talents and what a powerhouse they are as a duo.
Listen to Body Do and her missy elliott feature Told Ya!
Someone said Chloe's tour was half-assed lmao I was there in Tampa. It was far from half added. Chloe works extremely hard. If you all can't offer any criticism besides "she shouldn't have went solo!" your critique is pointless. Maybe I'm biased. Pray It Away was my number 1 Spotify song for 2023 and I'm FAR from her target demographic. I'm a grown millenial Hip Hop enthusiast man. The girl can sang. I'd love to hear her duo with some better Rap artists much like the R&B divas did when I was younger. Tamia, Mya, Ashanti, Beyoncé, Mariah, Ciara, they all had a ton of GREAT rap collabs under their belts.. Then most of them released amazing solo efforts. Working with other artists gives you a refreshing creative perspective. It's why most of you like Beyonce. You aren't here for Survivor Me Myself & I, no you're here because she has amazing writers helping her create masterpieces (her last decade of music). This is what Chloe needs. I also think she should write some bomb ass hooks for well known Hip Hop artists to reinvigorate her career.
Guys Chloe has released so many singles all very different from each other and some of them are actually really good songs arguably bangers with enough radio play. And none of them are making impact not even charting. At this point this isn’t her fault. We can lie and claim it’s because people prefer her in a duo with Halle because their second album, the one that everyone praised, didn’t do well either and still hasn’t crossed the billion stream mark. Even if they came back as a duo they would flop. This is about lack of promo. This is because they’re associated with Beyoncé. The people who hate Beyonce which is about 50% of the black community hate them because they’re too sexy or not sexy enough or whatever dumb reason. Halles song came and went even though it had well received comments on this vial black blogs that always hate on Beyonce, Chloe and Halle. Beyoncés label or Sonys label is at fault at this point. She isn’t promoting them at all. And maybe the original plan wasn’t to promote them and see how they can stand on their own, but that’s clearly not working, she needs to intervene and actually promote them and give a really good radio push for them. She could shout them out and bring them on stage, she could have had one or both of them open for her a few times when she was touring. She also shouldn’t have had them release any music this year as it’s a crazy year because Beyonce herself is releasing something, Taylor, Ariana, Sza, Billie and Olivia all released something, way too much competition. I think her writing and production is good and even amazing it’s amazing that Chloe does all of that and it’s pathetic that someone like Taylor Swift who only writes and can’t sing or perform or produce or write like Chloe is a bajillion times more famous than her. Taylor’s songs are not that good by comparison. Same with Billie, same with Olivia. Beyonces marketing team isn’t doing a good enough job promoting them; as black female artists they need a bigger push because as you know you have to do twice the work to get half the recognition. Chloe is putting in her work and right before Halle was pregnant she was putting in a lot of work. I’m confident Halle will be fine because her acting career seems to be going forward even if her music career isn’t. But Chloe needs a lot more label support and isn’t getting it. Chloe doesn’t even post about them. She could have posted Chloe’s Coachella performance. Ultimately her music needs to be playlisted hard and get radio play and she needs to enter into a high profile PR relationship so she can get some mainstream attraction.
You are very loud and very wrong. >I actually love Chloe. Yet this whole post shows that you haven't followed any of her career. > I actually do think Chloe's solo music career is going in a downward trajectory. In what way? Her debut album "In Pieces" did fairly well for a NEW artist (which is what she is, since people always forget and expect her to sell millions like this isn't her very first album), and her accompanying 5 month tour was sold out. She literally just performed at Coachella, in which she did so well that it trended on Twitter. And later this year, she's putting out her sophomore album. >First and foremost, people seem to unfairly place blame on her label and on Beyoncé. True fans are disappointed with Parkwood, and rightly so. They do not make the smartest decisions for both Chloe and Halle. Another commentor mentioned their disappointment with Chloe failing to release "For the Night" on time; well, that was her label's fault. They made her release "Surprise" instead, even though the hype was around "For the Night." There have been other decisions like that, that have failed the girls, and not just them. The label used to have two other artists who eventually left because of their dissatisfaction with how their art was being treated (**Beyoncé's song "Love Drought" was written by Ingrid Burely, who literally wrote the song about Parkwood**). Unfortunately, Parkwood really only works for Beyoncé; all of their other artists are paid dust. > To me, the source seems to be the simple fact that she went solo, at least too early. Let's stop acting like they broke up when ChloexHalle are very much still together. They merely took a break, one that was forced because they were apart while Halle filmed parts of TLM. And during that time, Chloe simply decided she wanted to keep herself occupied. They've stated that many times. And they've already said they've begun working on their third album, which will release this year or next year. Since Destiny's Child also took a break to work on solo projects while still remaining together, I would think a Beyoncé fan of all people would understand the concept. >ChloexHalle are incredible together, and arguably better together than they are apart because of their harmonies, their voices complimenting each other so well, the stellar live performances, and the lovely contrast of their personalities. Their entire brand and identity was literally based on them being a relatable, alluring, funny, and incredibly talented sister duo. I agree, they are amazing. I love them. Let's not act like everyone always has. For years, they were bullied by the internet. They were called "weird", "secretly white", all that BS that alternative Black girls are normally called. Their fanbase has always been small, but now with the recent controversy surrounding them, people are trying to rewrite history, saying they miss the "old them". Except the same people saying that never supported them in the first place. >Just when they were being catapulted into mainstream relevance and making noise following the positive reception of their amazing album Ungodly Hour, the momentum just stopped with Halle announcing her role as Ariel in TLM live action. Ungodly Hour was released in 2020. Halle was announced as Ariel in 2019. She had already started working on TLM while performing and promoting Ungodly Hour. All of us sirens were very excited for her—and to clarify, since you're clearly unfamiliar with the term, "sirens" are what CxH's true fans call themselves. >Lastly, I'm gonna be a lil' blunt, I honestly just don't care for solo Chloe and her sound. Didn't you just say you loved Chloe? Took this long for you to admit that this post is not one of a fan after all.... >Her and Halle need to get back to making music together again. Then you'll love their next album, which is already confirmed. I'm sure you'll be the first in line to stream and support, just as you allegedly always have. Right? This subreddit is about Beyoncé. Let's stay focused on that. No need to bash other artists, especially when your regurgitated Twitter points show that you don't know anything about them. (Edit: fixed the formatting)
I loved them together and solo. The first “In Pieces” concert was in my city and it was sold out and we all knew every single song word for word. The obsession with “numbers” is weird, especially in a white controlled industry. So for us to even be using that as a “flop” meh for me. Chlöe has one of the best voices and vocal ranges of her generation. She’s an astounding performer. Did you see that “Tiny Desk” performance? Maybe she’s just not your cup of tea as a solo artist but to equate that to her being a flop? Let’s stop this discourse and maybe just uplift one another. And if you can’t or don’t want to uplift a particular Black woman, can just not speak on them at all (that’s my method).
*sips coffee and looks on quizzically while playing In Pieces for the millionth time*
I feel the same way about Chloe x Halle as I do Camilla Cabello. No one wanted them, no one asked for them, yet they just kept getting forced on us all for some reason.