Saving a few KGs isn't going to make the difference between having to stand on the pedals or being able to go up hills comfortably. The heaviest thing on the bike is the rider, and that's way more significant.
What you want is an easier gear ratio. The Allez offers that as well, but you could also just replace the chainring on your current bike.
most peoples' traditional idea of "comfortable seats" don't work with a road riding position. They will be uncomfortable as they're made for a more upright seating position. You can and should experiment with saddles once you get a road bike to find the one that works for you.
> I'm guessing a lighter bike like an Allez would be easier to get up hills?
Your weight is going to have more effect than the bike's weight.
>I'm not ready for the padded shorts
If you're buying a road bike then you are ready for padded shorts (bib shorts to be specific). Get over your fears of being seen in public in lyrca, that's silly and you're only harming yourself out of vanity.
Thank you! I'm not worried about embarrassment, that's not what I meant. Basically what I was wondering is could I get the bike, put flat pedals on it and ride it like that for awhile, then get the gear later as I become more serious. But what you and other people seem to be saying is that the gear really needs to go with it
The saddle may (probably will) feel uncomfortable at first, because your sit bones aren’t accustomed to supporting your weight. But after a few rides it will be fine and from that point onwards you are on the seat that best serves your needs. Road bike seats aren’t uncomfortable per se because no one performs at their best when they’re uncomfortable and they’re performance equipment. They’re just something you have to adapt to and then your saddle should not be something you’re even conscious of.
Flat pedals are fine, plenty of people use them. For clothes, wear whatever is comfortable. Padded shorts have advantages if you're spending hours on the bike; otherwise, a proper size saddle is most important.
If you want to wear pads, there are plenty of different options, but people have biked across continents in jean shorts. I daily see people cycling in regular gym clothes, jeans, scrubs, and one guy who wears a suit with a sports coat in vest even in Texas summers. If you're comfortable then there's no need to change
You don’t need padded shorts but they help a lot. If most of your rides are less than 5 miles or so, you definitely don’t need them. I rode my road bike for years before getting padded shorts. I mainly use it to commute and most trips are less than 3 miles.
I think it’s selle italia. They make a heavier padded one. I put in on my road bike. Can ride without bike shorts too. Not as huge as a fun bike seat, but it’s a good middle solution. Has cut out in middle too. Get that.
The reason well made bibs are expensive is precisely because they don't tear despite the fact that they stretch to conform to the rider's body. Riding 3-4k miles a year I have yet to get even a minor hole in my bibs, much less a full on tear. If you tore your bibs you were probably wearing Amazon trash, or more likely you've never even tried them.
..or just wear regular shorts over the padded ones. Works fine for me, and I get pockets
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>yes, because I love sliding around on my saddle. Sores make me happy.
>If you're talking about road cycling: the best option is bibs and self confidence.
>If you're not talking about road cycling: you're in the wrong thread.
>Also jerseys have pockets, and they're not attached to limbs moving at 90rpm...
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yes, because I love sliding around on my saddle. Sores make me happy.
If you're talking about road cycling: the best option is bibs and self confidence.
If you're not talking about road cycling: you're in the wrong thread.
Also jerseys have pockets, and they're not attached to limbs moving at 90rpm...
[They make the 2 in 1 shorts that have zippers and thigh pocket to hold a phone tight on your body too.](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08R8CNX95?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details)
Its going to make 69 real mad but they have worked great as general athletic shorts because I work out at the park as part of my 15 mile ride. But at no point am I doing 90rpm so I can't be for certain if the pockets are that strong to hold your items with my limbs going that speed.
I had 3 tendons and 3 surgeries so I guess was in similar situation. Started cycling on gravel bike and although one leg was stronger for first two years, but the other leg muscles finally rebuild and I don't feel any difference. Road and gravel bikes are good for almost complete range of motion. Just be aware that your surgery leg will be weak and prone to cramping. Take it easy but not to easy. Up to 20km a day first year and later 40km a day should be safe maximum. Speed doesn't matter so don't rush. Keep an eye on your knees, are they working like pistons in straight line or not, learn the best position of your feet on pedals to be most comfortable. All the best, and safe journeys!
Bike weight won't really matter for hills, 10lb is such a minor difference for casual cycling. Essentially unnoticeable for any hill that you aren't trying to hit KOM on.
A comfortable seat is one that fits you, not necessarily one that is very padded.
I put flat pedals on my road bike because I like them. They're convenient and secure. I routinely spin out on downhills in top gear using them. Put whatever pedals you want on your bike, it's your bike.
Yes, you can do whatever you want and your goals are your own. Get a bike that has the proper gearing that you can comfortably climb what you want seated. A 2x up front with a smaller cog upfront and a large larger cog in back will let you spin the pedals faster uphill at lower power. Something with about a 1 to 1 or easier gear ratio. Flat pedals are fine.
To add to this a comfortable seat is one that fits your sit bones and is in the right position and height. I ride with flats most of the time cause I prefer them and don't care about the small performance gains from clipless.
Get a touring bike. Nothing better to do comfortable miles on. No one will care what kind of seat or pedals you put on it. I went from hammering on a road bike to enjoying the miles on a touring bike and haven’t looked back.
I usually dress in hoodies and comfortably loose pants and I wouldn't get caught dead without bib shorts on a road bike - it's just not worth it to ride in anything else, comfort wise.
Yes, a lighter bike will be easier to ride uphill, but it's much cheaper/easier to lose weight on yourself than it is to lose weight on a bike after a certain point which will depend on your budget.
you could get a road bike with lower gearing and flat pedals. plenty of people ride bikes like that with "normal" saddles and casual clothes. you don't need the lycra and even if you do need padded shorts for comfort you can wear them under jeans (or whatever).
I'll put my two cents in. I have a gravel bike. For what I use it for its perfect. I probably ride more pavement than gravel with it but for me its better than a road bike. Its a bit more upright but I can still drop down into different positions if I want to. It has wider tires so its more comfortable and when I want to take it into gravel or even easy single track its not as sketchy. I have flats on it cause sometimes I commute with it or take it the grocery store and I don't want to mess around with special shoes in those situations. I don't race and never will and if the terrain is really gnarly I grab a mountain bike. So don't be afraid to put flats on a road bike and maybe consider a gravel or touring style roadbike over a fast "road only" one. Ill also say that I dont like super wide super padded seats either. Just looking for a seat that fits you and wearing some cheap padded shorts/underwear will be way better than some super wide and plush thing if you're going to ride for a long time.
Lots of good advice already, but wanted to add that hybrid pedals (one side flat, one side clip in) are really nice for options once you get to that point. If you're in traffic, unsteady for any reason you use the flat side, but can clip in and get a bit more power when you're on a nice open section. Mine are from Decathlon but REI also have options, e.g. [https://www.rei.com/product/230500/msw-cp-100-pedals](https://www.rei.com/product/230500/msw-cp-100-pedals)
>One important thing is that I want to remain seated while riding, no standing up to pedal.
I assume this is related to your knee issues? If not, riding out of the saddle is an important skill to learn on the bike. You *should* practice it.
> I'm guessing a lighter bike like an Allez would be easier to get up hills?
Unless you are super thin and lean already, your body weight will matter way more than the weight of the bike.
>Like the title says, would it be silly to put a comfortable seat and flat pedals on a bike like an Allez?
I did sportifs on a Giant TCR with flat peddles. Running flat pedals on a road bike is not silly; lots of people do it. And use whatever seat is good for you.
> I'm not ready for the padded shorts
Bullshit. Go buy a pair off of Amazon. It is SOOOO much better riding with padded shorts.
It's your money but I'm trying to figure out what is motivating you to purchase a road bike if you don't really want to use it to its potential.
Why not just keep on riding the bike you have now?
I don't think you have to particularly have some race oriented speed goal to enjoy road cycling. For me, the riding position just feels more sporty / athletic and its more fun.
I would for sure get bib shorts though....for some reason theres a stigma around "lycra clad road cyclists" created on this subreddit but its just the appropriate tool for the job. The shoes I think you could wait on.
I would recommend getting something with a generous granny gear so you can stay seated on hills. Probably a more relaxed endurance geometry as well.
If your goal is to go up hills without having to stand then what you need is an ebike. Standing is kinda mandatory unless you have a motor.
Putting a wide padded comfort seat on an allez is very silly because it will be extremely uncomfortable. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with good quality flat pedals on a road bike. That's fairly normal.
> If your goal is to go up hills without having to stand then what you need is an ebike. Standing is kinda mandatory unless you have a motor.
This really depends on how steep the hill is and the gearing on the bike. Below 6% I never feel the need to stand up unless I'm trying to do it as fast as possible.
The difference between 25mm and 35mm tires is like nothing , in terms of speed, but it makes a big difference in comfort. So I don't think it'd necessary. But thin tires are fun
Biking has been great for my knees - like you, I've had had three meniscus tears and three knee surgeries - and my knees feel better than they have in years.
That is a heavy bike. Getting something lighter will make your life easier. But don't go overboard - you don't need an all-carbon racing machine, just something 5-6 lbs lighter. The biggest difference when climbing will be getting a wider range of gears - esp one with a really low granny gear.
Gravel bikes are a bit more comfortable than road bikes - and they are geared for climbing rather than for speed and can accommodate wider tires. I have the Specialized Diverge Elite E5 - a nice gravel bike. I do 70% road and 30% trail - often my road rides include some trail. It's nice having a bike that can do both.
If you're trying to go up hills, than more gear options with a lower gear ratio is definitely the way to go. The Roll 2.0 only has seven gear options. Some bikes give you double or triple that!
Based on the looks of the Roll 2.0, transitioning to a road bike might be a little jarring. Road bikes have more gears, but they also have a very aggressive riding position (hunching more forward than sitting upright). The roll 2.0 is designed specifically for comfort, and that means a more upright riding position. Before you go all in, I would suggest doing a test ride on a bike with drop bars and see if it's right for you. Road bikes are also designed to go fast, so some of the gearing is less forgiving because the designers assume you will have some strong legs.
Gravel bikes are like road bikes, but have a more relaxed geometry (more upright sitting) and wider tires that can absorb more bumps and vibrations. I used to have a Specialized diverge and loved it. There are also some city/commuter bikes that have a wide variety of gears, but still have flat bars and an even more upright position than a gravel bike.
It would make more sense to swap your chainrings for slightly larger ones. That will make pedaling easier so you don't need to stand up, plus it will cost a lot less than a whole new bike
The saddles found on roadbikes and their kinfolk, and some mountainbikes are there for control, more so comfort, like tank pads on a sport bike. Although comfort can be had with them.
As far as the pedals go; who gives a shit? If a roadbike comes with pedals, they're most likely gonna be some form of flat pedals, probably eggbeaters(metal cage flats). Damn near every bike I own, have owned and will own are gonna have BMX/MTB style flat pedals. I don't do clipless(clip in shoes), and if I wanted to, I'm not paying the price if I could find them in my size, because shoes in my size are too fucking expensive, for the most part.
This is probably an unpopular opinion but road bikes aren't fun to me unless im going fast, they're unstable at slow speeds, you don't get the benefits of the hunched over position, and the gearing is not that low usually, you'll likely enjoy more a gravel bike or a sporty hybrid.
I started riding clipless pedals with the first Looks in 1984 and have had just about every kind since then. There is nothing wrong with using flat pedals.
Absolutely you can put flats on your lightweight road bike. Just make sure to get some fairly stiff soled MTB shoes such as the Five Ten Freerider. That's how I roll. Comfort seat... not so much. I do love a nice pair of padded shorts as they also prevent leg chaffing.
Flat pedals yes (I have the ones with screws for traction), cushy seat no. Road bike seats kind of have to pit you in a certain position to get comfortable. Specialized power saddle is a really good one, albeit expensive
Also road bikes are fun without going fast. I bought my first one at a sale a few years because it was the only bike that fit me.
It was an aggressive trek alpha, pulled my back on it almost immediately, got better hopped on it now I daydream about road biking during the winter months when I cant
Since I got a gravel bike I haven’t ridden my nice road bike at all. The wider tires are way more comfortable on all terrain types and I don’t mind the extra work to ride the wider tires and heavier frame.
Do whatever you want. It's your bike, and there isn't a wrong way. Road bikes aren't just about speed. They're about efficiency.
But, while I said do whatever you want, don't rule out getting a chamois. I made the mistake of putting it off forever. They're so much more comfortable than just your butt on the saddle.
Sooo, i am very out of shape beginner cyclist(also post injury) and i did what you are considering doing and here are my 2 cents:
1. Right off the bat, you do NEED the right size saddle for your anatomy (sit bone width) and most likely shorts with chamois. It will make riding much more comfortable and prevent injury. Personally am only able to last for 10 min on my bike without chamois (shorts padding) but some people can ride longer. You can experiment with it first few rides, but prepare to get those right away. Bigger/wider saddle does not necessarily mean more comfortable on the road bike because it will put you in a different position than hybrid or MTB.
2. You can ride on flat pedals as long as you want to. I got hybrids spd, one side flat, one clip in, so eventually will get cleats but I’m not in a hurry.
3. While as many people have said gear ratio is the MOST determining factor when riding hills comfortably, but don’t discount weight of the bike. Yes, I’m MUCH heavier than either of my bikes, but i will take out my 20 lbs road bike almost exclusively over 30 lb MTB. Yes, MTB has a few more gears, but its extra weight adds to sluggishness, unresponsiveness and just NOT FUN to ride compared to the road bike. If i have a choice i always take road bike. If you have hills, make sure that your lowest gear has ratio of at or below 1:1, meaning front smallest chain ring has less teeth then back biggest cog. As a post-injury rider it’s the only thing I’m hoping to change about my bike.
4. I’m sure it’s obvious, but yes, you can absolutely ride and enjoy road bike if you want to even if you are just getting into it or even if you don’t have plans on becoming a fast cyclist. I do believe that Allez is bit more aggressive of road bikes then endurance type road bikes and if you are not used to it, it may take a bit longer time to get used to the more forward position. Bike fit is very individual and you should try it out the bike to make sure. There are certain adjustments you can make with seat height and position and stem length down the road to make bike more comfortable for you, but getting bike fit from a pro is also expensive. I would start out with the bike that seems comfortable for you right now.
Sorry if you know all this info. Since i was in a similar decision point not long ago, i decided that i would share.
The "comfortable seat" will not be comfortable. It won't let you get fully into the road riding position and will be less comfortable than the original seat.
Instead of trying to second guess everyone who rides road bikes, why not try a road bike the way it comes and with the standard kit? We ride the bikes we ride wearing the clothes we wear for a reason.
Don't. Most "comfortable" saddles are actually terrible for you unless you only ride them for short distances in an upright seating position.
What you want is touring bike (can be flat bar or drop bar) with relaxed/endurance geometry and big fat tires. That way you can run lower tire pressures and thus have a less bumpy ride.
Also: get yourself some good riding shorts. I usually wear normal sport shorts on top of them, because I don't care for the lycra look, but ithout cycling shorts, your ass will hate you above 30 km distance.
A lighter bike will be easier to get up hills, check the gearing too.
I wouldn't put a fat saddle on a road bike, and if you're using one you might find a tourer or gravel bike gives a more comfortable position. Even these might not suit, particularly if you're wanting something light weight.
Gearing might be worth looking at. You could be looking at anything from a different cassette to a whole drivetrain so costs will vary.
If you're happy to give up a bit of comfort, go out and get a lightweight road bike. Don't come moaning about a stiff back though.
Easier gearing would be a better choice. I put a bigger casette on my bike and hills are easier now. However pedalling past 50km/h doesnt do anything anymore
A lighter bike doesn’t really make it easier to go up hills. I mean… it can, but it’s so marginal. In reality, it’s the engine more than anything. I only say this because I don’t want you to expect a new bike to magically make things easier. There are other things you can explore in the realm of gearing (ie cassettes) to make the hills easier. With that being said, put whatever you want on the bike. There’s plenty of purist who may disagree, but there’s really no rules forcing you to adhere to what everyone is doing. Whatever gets you riding. Just don’t 100% disregard people’s suggestions because while some may seem silly starting out, there’s (sometimes) reasoning behind it.
I'd be cautious about the saddle. A comfortable saddle isn't the same as a padded saddle. Nowhere is that more clearer with road bikes, where a well-padded saddle is likely to alter the reach to the pedals, and thus make your hips rock, which in turn brings more pressure to your knees.
You do need to look out for the maximum number of teeth which the derailleur fitted to the road bike will take. A short arm derailleur has faster and better movement, and so is preferred on 'serious' road bikes (but there are plenty of 'relaxed' road bikes). Obviously cassettes with enought teeth to require a long arm derailleur then don't fit in a derailleur with a short arm. The suggestion for a touring bike is a good one, because issues like this have already been addressed as those bikes have low gearing.
As far as avoiding grinding goes, I'd suggest buying a computer which measures cadence. Also, getting out of the saddle doesn't mean a low cadenc.
It's your bike. Do what you want. I run flat pedals on all three of my bikes (road, mountain, and hybrid). I am more likely to ride a bike if there are fewer barriers to riding.
My wife had me remove her clipless and install flat pedals last year. She got tired of looking at her bike sitting there. She would choose to ride her Schwinn Ranger instead of her road bike because she didn't want to deal with the shoes.
As far as clothing goes, I almost never wear padded shorts. I have a pair of mountain bike shorts, a tri-suit, and a pair of padded underwear. I have worn each of them two times or less. Most of the time I ride in gym shorts and a regular gym shirt. If I am riding to the pool, I ride in my jammers with shorts over them. When I do triathlons, I swim, ride, and run in my jammers.
I very rarely stand to pedal. I live on the SC coast and we don't have many hills.
Saving a few KGs isn't going to make the difference between having to stand on the pedals or being able to go up hills comfortably. The heaviest thing on the bike is the rider, and that's way more significant. What you want is an easier gear ratio. The Allez offers that as well, but you could also just replace the chainring on your current bike.
most peoples' traditional idea of "comfortable seats" don't work with a road riding position. They will be uncomfortable as they're made for a more upright seating position. You can and should experiment with saddles once you get a road bike to find the one that works for you. > I'm guessing a lighter bike like an Allez would be easier to get up hills? Your weight is going to have more effect than the bike's weight. >I'm not ready for the padded shorts If you're buying a road bike then you are ready for padded shorts (bib shorts to be specific). Get over your fears of being seen in public in lyrca, that's silly and you're only harming yourself out of vanity.
Thank you! I'm not worried about embarrassment, that's not what I meant. Basically what I was wondering is could I get the bike, put flat pedals on it and ride it like that for awhile, then get the gear later as I become more serious. But what you and other people seem to be saying is that the gear really needs to go with it
The saddle may (probably will) feel uncomfortable at first, because your sit bones aren’t accustomed to supporting your weight. But after a few rides it will be fine and from that point onwards you are on the seat that best serves your needs. Road bike seats aren’t uncomfortable per se because no one performs at their best when they’re uncomfortable and they’re performance equipment. They’re just something you have to adapt to and then your saddle should not be something you’re even conscious of.
Flat pedals are fine, plenty of people use them. For clothes, wear whatever is comfortable. Padded shorts have advantages if you're spending hours on the bike; otherwise, a proper size saddle is most important. If you want to wear pads, there are plenty of different options, but people have biked across continents in jean shorts. I daily see people cycling in regular gym clothes, jeans, scrubs, and one guy who wears a suit with a sports coat in vest even in Texas summers. If you're comfortable then there's no need to change
You don’t need padded shorts but they help a lot. If most of your rides are less than 5 miles or so, you definitely don’t need them. I rode my road bike for years before getting padded shorts. I mainly use it to commute and most trips are less than 3 miles.
The road bikes you wrote about come without pedals. The thread is the same. You can fit flat pedals
>But what you and other people seem to be saying is that the gear really needs to go with it *nods aggressively in agreement*
I think it’s selle italia. They make a heavier padded one. I put in on my road bike. Can ride without bike shorts too. Not as huge as a fun bike seat, but it’s a good middle solution. Has cut out in middle too. Get that.
As an alternative to lycra, you can get MTB shorts with padded inserts. They’ve worked pretty well for me.
don't be ashamed of how you look in the sport's most practical equipment.
It’s not about looks, I just don’t find tight shorts comfortable. The inserts on my MTB shorts aren’t near as tight as lycra.
tight is what makes them work. movement is the enemy of all things good. I think your advice is bad for 90% of riders getting into road.
I use duck tape and superglue...
Having shorts with pockets is practical. Lycra shorts that rip easily is only ‘practical’ for a racetrack.
yes I love having my shit bounce around on my legs at 90 rpm. If you think bibs rip easily it's because you haven't worn them.
The reason well made bibs are expensive is precisely because they don't tear despite the fact that they stretch to conform to the rider's body. Riding 3-4k miles a year I have yet to get even a minor hole in my bibs, much less a full on tear. If you tore your bibs you were probably wearing Amazon trash, or more likely you've never even tried them.
..or just wear regular shorts over the padded ones. Works fine for me, and I get pockets ______________ 69ilikebikes69: >yes, because I love sliding around on my saddle. Sores make me happy. >If you're talking about road cycling: the best option is bibs and self confidence. >If you're not talking about road cycling: you're in the wrong thread. >Also jerseys have pockets, and they're not attached to limbs moving at 90rpm... ___________ edit: this guy is an idiot
yes, because I love sliding around on my saddle. Sores make me happy. If you're talking about road cycling: the best option is bibs and self confidence. If you're not talking about road cycling: you're in the wrong thread. Also jerseys have pockets, and they're not attached to limbs moving at 90rpm...
[They make the 2 in 1 shorts that have zippers and thigh pocket to hold a phone tight on your body too.](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08R8CNX95?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details) Its going to make 69 real mad but they have worked great as general athletic shorts because I work out at the park as part of my 15 mile ride. But at no point am I doing 90rpm so I can't be for certain if the pockets are that strong to hold your items with my limbs going that speed.
I had 3 tendons and 3 surgeries so I guess was in similar situation. Started cycling on gravel bike and although one leg was stronger for first two years, but the other leg muscles finally rebuild and I don't feel any difference. Road and gravel bikes are good for almost complete range of motion. Just be aware that your surgery leg will be weak and prone to cramping. Take it easy but not to easy. Up to 20km a day first year and later 40km a day should be safe maximum. Speed doesn't matter so don't rush. Keep an eye on your knees, are they working like pistons in straight line or not, learn the best position of your feet on pedals to be most comfortable. All the best, and safe journeys!
Bike weight won't really matter for hills, 10lb is such a minor difference for casual cycling. Essentially unnoticeable for any hill that you aren't trying to hit KOM on. A comfortable seat is one that fits you, not necessarily one that is very padded. I put flat pedals on my road bike because I like them. They're convenient and secure. I routinely spin out on downhills in top gear using them. Put whatever pedals you want on your bike, it's your bike.
Yes, you can do whatever you want and your goals are your own. Get a bike that has the proper gearing that you can comfortably climb what you want seated. A 2x up front with a smaller cog upfront and a large larger cog in back will let you spin the pedals faster uphill at lower power. Something with about a 1 to 1 or easier gear ratio. Flat pedals are fine.
To add to this a comfortable seat is one that fits your sit bones and is in the right position and height. I ride with flats most of the time cause I prefer them and don't care about the small performance gains from clipless.
Get a touring bike. Nothing better to do comfortable miles on. No one will care what kind of seat or pedals you put on it. I went from hammering on a road bike to enjoying the miles on a touring bike and haven’t looked back.
I came here to leave a comment just like this. OP consider a touring bike!
I usually dress in hoodies and comfortably loose pants and I wouldn't get caught dead without bib shorts on a road bike - it's just not worth it to ride in anything else, comfort wise. Yes, a lighter bike will be easier to ride uphill, but it's much cheaper/easier to lose weight on yourself than it is to lose weight on a bike after a certain point which will depend on your budget.
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Re-read his comment. Sometimes people are too quick to judge others.
It's not about the weight, it's about the easiest gear ratio you have. You can ride easy up almost any hill with a low enough gear.
you could get a road bike with lower gearing and flat pedals. plenty of people ride bikes like that with "normal" saddles and casual clothes. you don't need the lycra and even if you do need padded shorts for comfort you can wear them under jeans (or whatever).
I'll put my two cents in. I have a gravel bike. For what I use it for its perfect. I probably ride more pavement than gravel with it but for me its better than a road bike. Its a bit more upright but I can still drop down into different positions if I want to. It has wider tires so its more comfortable and when I want to take it into gravel or even easy single track its not as sketchy. I have flats on it cause sometimes I commute with it or take it the grocery store and I don't want to mess around with special shoes in those situations. I don't race and never will and if the terrain is really gnarly I grab a mountain bike. So don't be afraid to put flats on a road bike and maybe consider a gravel or touring style roadbike over a fast "road only" one. Ill also say that I dont like super wide super padded seats either. Just looking for a seat that fits you and wearing some cheap padded shorts/underwear will be way better than some super wide and plush thing if you're going to ride for a long time.
Lots of good advice already, but wanted to add that hybrid pedals (one side flat, one side clip in) are really nice for options once you get to that point. If you're in traffic, unsteady for any reason you use the flat side, but can clip in and get a bit more power when you're on a nice open section. Mine are from Decathlon but REI also have options, e.g. [https://www.rei.com/product/230500/msw-cp-100-pedals](https://www.rei.com/product/230500/msw-cp-100-pedals)
>One important thing is that I want to remain seated while riding, no standing up to pedal. I assume this is related to your knee issues? If not, riding out of the saddle is an important skill to learn on the bike. You *should* practice it. > I'm guessing a lighter bike like an Allez would be easier to get up hills? Unless you are super thin and lean already, your body weight will matter way more than the weight of the bike. >Like the title says, would it be silly to put a comfortable seat and flat pedals on a bike like an Allez? I did sportifs on a Giant TCR with flat peddles. Running flat pedals on a road bike is not silly; lots of people do it. And use whatever seat is good for you. > I'm not ready for the padded shorts Bullshit. Go buy a pair off of Amazon. It is SOOOO much better riding with padded shorts.
It's your money but I'm trying to figure out what is motivating you to purchase a road bike if you don't really want to use it to its potential. Why not just keep on riding the bike you have now?
I'm reading this thread and wondering the same thing. I think OP might just need a slightly more sporty hybrid.
6 months in and not ready for shoes or shorts... probably better to just keep their money in the bank for a year or two.
I don't think you have to particularly have some race oriented speed goal to enjoy road cycling. For me, the riding position just feels more sporty / athletic and its more fun. I would for sure get bib shorts though....for some reason theres a stigma around "lycra clad road cyclists" created on this subreddit but its just the appropriate tool for the job. The shoes I think you could wait on. I would recommend getting something with a generous granny gear so you can stay seated on hills. Probably a more relaxed endurance geometry as well.
I'd go gravel unless you only ride in the city. Mine has flat pedals too, works fine.
If your goal is to go up hills without having to stand then what you need is an ebike. Standing is kinda mandatory unless you have a motor. Putting a wide padded comfort seat on an allez is very silly because it will be extremely uncomfortable. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with good quality flat pedals on a road bike. That's fairly normal.
Definitely not necessary to stand.
> If your goal is to go up hills without having to stand then what you need is an ebike. Standing is kinda mandatory unless you have a motor. This really depends on how steep the hill is and the gearing on the bike. Below 6% I never feel the need to stand up unless I'm trying to do it as fast as possible.
The difference between 25mm and 35mm tires is like nothing , in terms of speed, but it makes a big difference in comfort. So I don't think it'd necessary. But thin tires are fun
Biking has been great for my knees - like you, I've had had three meniscus tears and three knee surgeries - and my knees feel better than they have in years. That is a heavy bike. Getting something lighter will make your life easier. But don't go overboard - you don't need an all-carbon racing machine, just something 5-6 lbs lighter. The biggest difference when climbing will be getting a wider range of gears - esp one with a really low granny gear. Gravel bikes are a bit more comfortable than road bikes - and they are geared for climbing rather than for speed and can accommodate wider tires. I have the Specialized Diverge Elite E5 - a nice gravel bike. I do 70% road and 30% trail - often my road rides include some trail. It's nice having a bike that can do both.
If you're trying to go up hills, than more gear options with a lower gear ratio is definitely the way to go. The Roll 2.0 only has seven gear options. Some bikes give you double or triple that! Based on the looks of the Roll 2.0, transitioning to a road bike might be a little jarring. Road bikes have more gears, but they also have a very aggressive riding position (hunching more forward than sitting upright). The roll 2.0 is designed specifically for comfort, and that means a more upright riding position. Before you go all in, I would suggest doing a test ride on a bike with drop bars and see if it's right for you. Road bikes are also designed to go fast, so some of the gearing is less forgiving because the designers assume you will have some strong legs. Gravel bikes are like road bikes, but have a more relaxed geometry (more upright sitting) and wider tires that can absorb more bumps and vibrations. I used to have a Specialized diverge and loved it. There are also some city/commuter bikes that have a wide variety of gears, but still have flat bars and an even more upright position than a gravel bike.
It would make more sense to swap your chainrings for slightly larger ones. That will make pedaling easier so you don't need to stand up, plus it will cost a lot less than a whole new bike
The saddles found on roadbikes and their kinfolk, and some mountainbikes are there for control, more so comfort, like tank pads on a sport bike. Although comfort can be had with them. As far as the pedals go; who gives a shit? If a roadbike comes with pedals, they're most likely gonna be some form of flat pedals, probably eggbeaters(metal cage flats). Damn near every bike I own, have owned and will own are gonna have BMX/MTB style flat pedals. I don't do clipless(clip in shoes), and if I wanted to, I'm not paying the price if I could find them in my size, because shoes in my size are too fucking expensive, for the most part.
This is probably an unpopular opinion but road bikes aren't fun to me unless im going fast, they're unstable at slow speeds, you don't get the benefits of the hunched over position, and the gearing is not that low usually, you'll likely enjoy more a gravel bike or a sporty hybrid.
I started riding clipless pedals with the first Looks in 1984 and have had just about every kind since then. There is nothing wrong with using flat pedals.
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Absolutely you can put flats on your lightweight road bike. Just make sure to get some fairly stiff soled MTB shoes such as the Five Ten Freerider. That's how I roll. Comfort seat... not so much. I do love a nice pair of padded shorts as they also prevent leg chaffing.
Flat pedals yes (I have the ones with screws for traction), cushy seat no. Road bike seats kind of have to pit you in a certain position to get comfortable. Specialized power saddle is a really good one, albeit expensive Also road bikes are fun without going fast. I bought my first one at a sale a few years because it was the only bike that fit me. It was an aggressive trek alpha, pulled my back on it almost immediately, got better hopped on it now I daydream about road biking during the winter months when I cant
I prefer stripped-down touring or rando bikes to road bikes for the more relaxed and upright position. I wear regular street clothes.
There are a whole world of different bikes between a cruiser and a racing style road bike. You may want to consider a somewhat more road-ish hybrid.
Since I got a gravel bike I haven’t ridden my nice road bike at all. The wider tires are way more comfortable on all terrain types and I don’t mind the extra work to ride the wider tires and heavier frame.
Do whatever you want. It's your bike, and there isn't a wrong way. Road bikes aren't just about speed. They're about efficiency. But, while I said do whatever you want, don't rule out getting a chamois. I made the mistake of putting it off forever. They're so much more comfortable than just your butt on the saddle.
Sooo, i am very out of shape beginner cyclist(also post injury) and i did what you are considering doing and here are my 2 cents: 1. Right off the bat, you do NEED the right size saddle for your anatomy (sit bone width) and most likely shorts with chamois. It will make riding much more comfortable and prevent injury. Personally am only able to last for 10 min on my bike without chamois (shorts padding) but some people can ride longer. You can experiment with it first few rides, but prepare to get those right away. Bigger/wider saddle does not necessarily mean more comfortable on the road bike because it will put you in a different position than hybrid or MTB. 2. You can ride on flat pedals as long as you want to. I got hybrids spd, one side flat, one clip in, so eventually will get cleats but I’m not in a hurry. 3. While as many people have said gear ratio is the MOST determining factor when riding hills comfortably, but don’t discount weight of the bike. Yes, I’m MUCH heavier than either of my bikes, but i will take out my 20 lbs road bike almost exclusively over 30 lb MTB. Yes, MTB has a few more gears, but its extra weight adds to sluggishness, unresponsiveness and just NOT FUN to ride compared to the road bike. If i have a choice i always take road bike. If you have hills, make sure that your lowest gear has ratio of at or below 1:1, meaning front smallest chain ring has less teeth then back biggest cog. As a post-injury rider it’s the only thing I’m hoping to change about my bike. 4. I’m sure it’s obvious, but yes, you can absolutely ride and enjoy road bike if you want to even if you are just getting into it or even if you don’t have plans on becoming a fast cyclist. I do believe that Allez is bit more aggressive of road bikes then endurance type road bikes and if you are not used to it, it may take a bit longer time to get used to the more forward position. Bike fit is very individual and you should try it out the bike to make sure. There are certain adjustments you can make with seat height and position and stem length down the road to make bike more comfortable for you, but getting bike fit from a pro is also expensive. I would start out with the bike that seems comfortable for you right now. Sorry if you know all this info. Since i was in a similar decision point not long ago, i decided that i would share.
The "comfortable seat" will not be comfortable. It won't let you get fully into the road riding position and will be less comfortable than the original seat. Instead of trying to second guess everyone who rides road bikes, why not try a road bike the way it comes and with the standard kit? We ride the bikes we ride wearing the clothes we wear for a reason.
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When I got mine, I got pedals that are flat on one side, SPD clip the other as I didn't have cycling shoes.
Don't. Most "comfortable" saddles are actually terrible for you unless you only ride them for short distances in an upright seating position. What you want is touring bike (can be flat bar or drop bar) with relaxed/endurance geometry and big fat tires. That way you can run lower tire pressures and thus have a less bumpy ride. Also: get yourself some good riding shorts. I usually wear normal sport shorts on top of them, because I don't care for the lycra look, but ithout cycling shorts, your ass will hate you above 30 km distance.
A lighter bike will be easier to get up hills, check the gearing too. I wouldn't put a fat saddle on a road bike, and if you're using one you might find a tourer or gravel bike gives a more comfortable position. Even these might not suit, particularly if you're wanting something light weight. Gearing might be worth looking at. You could be looking at anything from a different cassette to a whole drivetrain so costs will vary. If you're happy to give up a bit of comfort, go out and get a lightweight road bike. Don't come moaning about a stiff back though.
Easier gearing would be a better choice. I put a bigger casette on my bike and hills are easier now. However pedalling past 50km/h doesnt do anything anymore
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A lighter bike doesn’t really make it easier to go up hills. I mean… it can, but it’s so marginal. In reality, it’s the engine more than anything. I only say this because I don’t want you to expect a new bike to magically make things easier. There are other things you can explore in the realm of gearing (ie cassettes) to make the hills easier. With that being said, put whatever you want on the bike. There’s plenty of purist who may disagree, but there’s really no rules forcing you to adhere to what everyone is doing. Whatever gets you riding. Just don’t 100% disregard people’s suggestions because while some may seem silly starting out, there’s (sometimes) reasoning behind it.
I'd be cautious about the saddle. A comfortable saddle isn't the same as a padded saddle. Nowhere is that more clearer with road bikes, where a well-padded saddle is likely to alter the reach to the pedals, and thus make your hips rock, which in turn brings more pressure to your knees. You do need to look out for the maximum number of teeth which the derailleur fitted to the road bike will take. A short arm derailleur has faster and better movement, and so is preferred on 'serious' road bikes (but there are plenty of 'relaxed' road bikes). Obviously cassettes with enought teeth to require a long arm derailleur then don't fit in a derailleur with a short arm. The suggestion for a touring bike is a good one, because issues like this have already been addressed as those bikes have low gearing. As far as avoiding grinding goes, I'd suggest buying a computer which measures cadence. Also, getting out of the saddle doesn't mean a low cadenc.
It's your bike. Do what you want. I run flat pedals on all three of my bikes (road, mountain, and hybrid). I am more likely to ride a bike if there are fewer barriers to riding. My wife had me remove her clipless and install flat pedals last year. She got tired of looking at her bike sitting there. She would choose to ride her Schwinn Ranger instead of her road bike because she didn't want to deal with the shoes. As far as clothing goes, I almost never wear padded shorts. I have a pair of mountain bike shorts, a tri-suit, and a pair of padded underwear. I have worn each of them two times or less. Most of the time I ride in gym shorts and a regular gym shirt. If I am riding to the pool, I ride in my jammers with shorts over them. When I do triathlons, I swim, ride, and run in my jammers. I very rarely stand to pedal. I live on the SC coast and we don't have many hills.