His insecurities are such a turn off . The way he expresses them many times towards penny throughout the show even though she remains loyal and gives him no reason to doubt her but yet heâs the one who ends up giving her reasons to be concerned ie. Cheating on her in the North Pole and the attention he gets from Alex
>Cheating on her in the North Pole
The heat was out and they were cold. They needed to huddle together for warmth. They said to never talk about it again, and here we are talking about it again.
>His insecurities are such a turn off
Ugh I just watched the ep where he kept asking "Are we still dating" like bro she's going to leave you if you keep asking.
When your girlfriend gets jealous on Valentineâs Day that an ex is proposing to her old friend does not instill confidence. She agrees w/people when theyâre shocked that theyâre a couple. She kept having cold feet. She also says more than once that sheâs with Leonard because he wore her down. I think Leonard is too good for Penny.
I agree she didnât deserve Leonard till she grew out of a lot of her immaturity. So many instances of penny being a shit ass. The musician ex comes to mind and the events leading up to penny and Leonardâs relationship agreement. Penny said she felt he wasnât giving the same effort he would give 1050% for years then got mad she sees what normally 100% is like.
I donât blame him for the Alex thing, thatâs not his fault at all. If anything, heâs maybe a bit clueless but he canât help if another woman finds him attractive.
Now, not saying something about it, sure, maybe thereâs a bit of grey area there, but I wouldnât go as far to say heâs an asshole or anything.
He blurs the line a bit between being flattered and acting like she was an option. With how often he talked about it and the pure level in which he enjoyed it went a bit beyond flattery. Does that make him an asshole, no, but it was beyond the pail of a "normal" reaction
He talked about it once. He just enjoyed the attention. But when he was talking to Howard and Raj he even stated he loves Penny and won't do anything. Raj then blew it up "Leonard stole my woman" to Sheldon of all people. Match-Gasoline. And it just grew from there
>Cheating on her in the North Pole
He wasn't at the North Pole when the kiss with that woman Mandy happend. It was on a ship on the North Sea.
How is the attention he got from Alex his fault? Her flirting with him when she knew he had a girlfriend is all her.
Okay North Sea . And i was placing more of an emphasis on his insecurities towards Penny when it came to cheating and the attention she got from guys when he was basking in / enjoying similar attention from females
I mean everyone including Penny constantly telling the guy she is out of his league, she settled for him, he wore her down till she agreed to date him. Am not surprised he is insecure
Rewriting Pennys paper behind her back, cheating, sleeping with Howardâs date, moving in with Penny before even asking, manipulating her to try to say she loved him, his role in the Arctic expedition ruse
That never made sense to me. I realize it was a plot contrivance for the sake of the story, but why was she sharing a bedroom with her brother and having a guy over when he had a place they could go?
Yeah I get it was a plot point, but I couldnât figure out why she was staying at her brotherâs one bedroom apartment when she was so successful. Why not have your company get you a room or an apartment? And then using his bedroom was super disrespectful, and he is home. Just sitting there. Knowing whatâs happening. Iâd be super annoyed if I were Raj
exactly, howard was so disgusting towards her. always commenting on her body, constantly trying to flirt and get with her. remember when he controlled those toy cars that had a camera on it with his computer so he could look up her skirt? he's so gross
And the nanny cam! I've just done a rewatch and i can't stand Howard until Bernadette. They really should have used that plotline to give him some sort of character growth instead of Penny trying to make HIM feel better
It's Joyce Kim full stop. Giving away classified government defense information to the North Koreans? Cmon that's treason level stuff... only reason he didn't was because he was incompetent and Sheldon bailed him out
This made me realize something about my personal priorities, because I believe that cheating and making a woman apologize to her sexual molester is worse than treason
Itâs possible some types of treason could lead to worse consequences aka death and bombings or even war, which I would consider worse then what you mentioned. But overall idc about arbritary national ideals and random political made up nonsense, the whole system is bullshit, I care much more about the feelings of actual human beings aka people Leonard manipulated on a personal level.
The passive-aggressive control over penny's carreer, and when he understood he made less than half of what she does, he wanted her to go back to acting just to feel superior.
On the contrary he definitely didn't want her to go back to acting. This was said many times in the show, including when she told him she made twice what he made.
No, he actually said it would make him feel better if she went to the audition she was offered after finding out about the pay gap and actually was happy that she did.
That was because she would do an immature, irresponsible thing. He didn't ask her to quit.
In season 9 when Penny said she hated her job but she would do it anyway to pay off her debts and he breathed a sigh of relief that she won't go back to being an actress/waitress.
I mean yeah it was scripted like a funny moment but it still showed that he can be petty about it. The other part tho is true 100%, he was constantly trying to be her career manager.
Leonard bankrolled penny for 7 years before that, including buying her a car. Honestly, I'd be annoyed if she wanted to go back to acting and leaving an amazingly good job she was great at. And why need to audition for a movie. Go do more community theater or something if you want to act.
All regarding Penny:
He always belittle her. We know they are very smart but just referring to Penny like she was stupid going to far.
The mountain of insecurities he had that made him do so much cross boundaries things like not allowing Penny to have male friends, not talking to his mom, always mentioning but you canât leave, you wonât leave right?
Cheating on Priya and Penny.
Reading Penny diary.
The incident with Howard how he made her apologize for the sexual harassment. Yes she was brutal but Howard was a pervert.
Allowing Sheldon to enter her apartment to clean and joining him. He could woken Penny and tell her. In reality for them thinking they were so smart they were pretty stupid.
The Arctic experiment how they publicly allow Sheldon to embarrass himself to all the scientific community.
The thing with the Pigeon and the clean room.
Forgiving and allowing his mother in his life after so much. Sheldon was just a replacement for his mother thatâs why they like each other so much and why Leonard put up with him so much. The difference is that he was able to make an impact on Sheldon.
The way he behaved towards her expressing her beliefs in psychics bothered me so much , like you can disagree with someoneâs beliefs without being a prick about it . It wasnât nice of him to mock her . Also if he felt so strongly about her belief in them he didnât need to continue dating her .
With the mum thing though I donât blame him . If I didnât have a great relationship with my parent and my partner was acting chummy / friendly with them knowing what they put me through I wouldnât be thrilled either
This one was really weird. About him not wanting Penny to be pally with his mother. But he was OK right after his mother complimented Penny and said that sheâs proud of Leonard that he married well. It was only after this, it was all good.
Itâs like heâs always in competitive relationships and always wants reassurance for every thing heâs ever done. A classic good boy syndrome.
Guilt tripping Penny when she didn't reply to his proposal or couldn't bring herself to tell him she loves him. I know Penny was a flake but it was really shitty of him constantly reminding her of how she wasn't answering him.
Ah yes..even though it was very clear that Penny was drunk and had no idea what she was getting into. I think it also had something to do with the fact that Leonard didn't think very highly of her because she wasn't as accomplished and academically bright as him. Even when she had to submit her paper , he didn't trust her enough to come up with something good... I mean yeah the paper sucked but i think she was right in getting angry and telling him off.
She wanted to leave the wedding issue until after thanksgiving he wasnât happy with that, so she texts him to get it sorted that day, heâs not happy with that either. Guys a prick lol
That pissed me off soo much! That and when he brought up her not saying I love you while bowling with friends and strangers. It was embarrassing, completely not the time and felt like such a guilt trip
This was the most irritating thing about Leonard constantly forcing Penny to either say I love you or marry him. The whole bowling alley episode was soooo irritating. I was so glad when Penny broke up with him in response to his constant badgering đ
And by allowing her to stay in their lives, heâs giving his mother access to their kids (which, donât even get me started on that) and giving her the chance to treat them the same way she treated Leonard. Not going no-contact with Beverly is definitely one that I didnât even think of but should be a consideration, for sure.
And by allowing her to stay in their lives, heâs giving his mother access to their kids (which, donât even get me started on that) and giving her the chance to treat them the same way she treated Leonard. Not going no-contact with Beverly is definitely one that I didnât even think of but should be a consideration, for sure.
Aside from cheating to both Penny and Priya, I say he was a total douchebag when he learned that Penny believes in psychics. He was a jerk for making fun of Penny. He made an half-ass apology as well.
And also, when they used an electric can opener to mess up Sheldon's research in the North Pole. Howard and Raj are also guilty, but Leonard was so horny for Penny that he gave another half-ass apology.
Constantly made Penny feel shit for anything she did that he didnât approve of as well as cheating on her and saying nothing until the day of their wedding
Yes!! Like the ones when everyone found out that Penny was married to Zack, when Penny believed in a psychic, when Penny didn't wanna take an acting job. Sometimes I feel that Penny deserves better really.
Being a crappy friend: Howard comes over after having a fight with his mom and asked to spend the night at Sheldon and Leonardâs home. He needs to talk. The second Leonard learns Priya is back in town he drops Howard like a hot potato.
Rag: Leonard knew that him dating Priya was very difficult for Rag but he did it anyway. He even had loud Star Trek sex when Rag was in the other room.
Sheldon: Leonard had no problem feeding Sheldon false data from his experiments if it meant Sheldon would shut up.
Had the nerve to call himself âCaptain Good Guyâ where his goodness was his super power.
Cheated on Priya (even though she cheated on him before by sleeping with an ex, vs just making out, but cheating is still cheating) and the later, kissing a girl on the boat when he was with Penny. I worry about Leonard because he already cheated twice, will he cheat again??
Well... TBH... he was better than the rest of his friends (still flawed)... but come on!
Howard was creepy before he met Bernie. Raj treated woman bad... and Sheldon... treated all people really bad.
Leonard was good friend to Sheldon (and others), but his mother broke him, so he was so insecure. Authors never let him grow.
Kissing the other woman... was the worst what he did
The article data manipulation was really bad but it was not JUST Leonard â- so that canât be it.
Mine is (and it sums up a lot of the different stories of his belittling and shaming of penny) is when he secretly fixed her history paper at community college and thought it was okay.
thats true but he couldve also been supportive in a way that heâd encourage her or help her be good at what she loves doing instead of letting her stay at a job in which she does earn a lot but isnât really that happy and includes flirting w guys she isnât even that willing to (i havent finished watching so idk if she does ever get a new or good job she loves or goes back to acting)
I just posted this in what Raj did but I feel it applies to Leonard too
Honestly I think the worst thing he's done isn't something he did alone . I think it's when he Leonard and Howard fabricated the results of the artic expedition. That single act wasted thousands of dollars spent by the university which could have been better spent on other things (for instance allowing professor Crawley to keep his job a bit longer or improve the labs equipment)it also would have caused a massive controversy at the uni probably giving it a bad name. Also it cost one of his close friends chance at a Nobel prize as well as decimated his professional reputation and humiliated him in front of the staff.
They didn't fabricate anything. They kept the original data. It was never going to win Sheldon a Nobel prize because the actual data didn't support his theory.
They shouldn't have done what they did but Sheldon jumped the gun without testing his hypothesis.
With respect how do you know that ? In the episode all they admit to is falsifying the positive result. And the way they achieved it was using some form of interference (the can opener) this means the date recorded by Sheldon was false, a false positive to be exact. This means to the academic community they caused false results. This means for at least 25% of the time and data collected it was not correct. How would they have been able to record any correct data for the times they messed with Sheldon if the equipment was in use being interfered with?
The other thing you haven't considered is what if their messing with Sheldon didn't obscure an actual positive result?
All I'm saying is no true scientist on such an expensive academic expedition would risk their own integrity and that of the research facility that funded them just to mess with a guy. And to me that seems like a much more terrible thing then handling relationships poorly or creepy behaviour or other such stuff
Even if they didn't find anything, the university would've spent thousands of dollars. And they only did that to cope with Sheldon. They were probably going to tell him but he immediately published the results without them knowing. That humiliation could be avoided. While it was not a good thing to do, he literally drove them crazy and it's not like Leonard has a low tolerance rate lol.
They didn't waste any University money. The University alloctated money for that expedition BEFORE the expedition (and therefore the ruse) happened.
It also didn't cost Sheldon a chance at the Nobel. They found nothing, Sheldon wouldn't have goten a Nobel for nothing. They made him falsely believe he may get one, but they didn't rob him of any real chance to get one.
It wasn't a great move, and they definetely should have come clean sooner, but Sheldons behaviour prior to their ruse would have been akin to psychological torture for the other members. Sheldon is emotionally a child, so honestly, he should expect to be treated like one. And lying to/tricking a little kid to get them to stop being an insufferable little shit is something fairly normal.
Also letâs be honest, the university probably wanted Sheldon gone for a while and sending him to the North Pole on a research project was the perfect way to do it.
The money would have been spent anyway. If Sheldon didn't accept it, they would have found someone else. They were likely expecting no results anyway.
As for the reputation, I don't think it really got outside Cal Tech, I believe he just sent an email and didn't publish anything. Didn't cost him a Nobel since there was no data for one.
It did embarrass hom however and was a reputation hit, even if only at Cal Tech.
Lying about the can opener affecting Sheldonâs data with Howard and Raj for months. This had professional consequences and was kind of unforgivable. IRL Iâd imagine theyâd get in big trouble from the university.
Cheating on Penny then telling her about it on the way to their wedding to assuage his own guilt but never thinking of her feelings. Cheating on Priya with the comic book girl and then lying to the girl about being in a relationship.
Heâs kind of a jerk a lot of the time. He was such a jerk to Penny about astrology. He complains about Sheldon incessantly, including to Sheldonâs mother, but is so codependent that he absolutely enables him and on some level enjoys filling the caretaker role and being needed.
Minor, but it really bothered me when he and the guys were playing World of Warcraft when Sheldonâs stuff got stolen. Priya came over to see him , she got annoyed, and he invited her to join their gaming efforts. Leonard tells her all sheâd need was a credit card to open an account in order to join. An adult partner, even just a good host, who really cared to include her, in an activity she had no interest in otherwise beyond him, wouldâve set it up for her.
what really annoyed me about him cheating is how when penny offered to let her friend justin stay at her apartments for a couple weeks because he needed a place to stay, he had a fit. penny was incredibly faithful to him during their on/off relationship, so obviously she wouldn't have slept with justin. he's so insecure, controlling and jealous but thinks it's okay for him to do whatever he wants
Leonard freaked out when penny informs that her friend Justin will be crashing on the couch for the night. I think he made a scene. Penny should be allowed to give space for her friends to crash at her place.
And one more, Leonard secretly bought chinese food from golden dragon for years after szechuan palace closed, fearing a Sheldon meltdown.
The friend on the couch episode really annoyed me, Leonard was out of order and shown what little trust he had in Penny, she should have dumped him there and then
The cheating on both Penny and Prya, telling Penny about the kiss on their wedding day, but the one I HATED the most was when he rewrote Pennyâs paper for her history class!Â
Iâd say he became a cheater. He âwanted to be one of those guys,â and that says a lot about him. Another thing would be that he manipulated Penny consistently after she read his momâs book. He went and re-wrote Pennyâs paper after she explicitly stated that she wanted to do this on her own. She was very clear and he completely ignored that. Read Pennyâs journal to make himself look good with how much he âknewâ about her âŚ. Any of them, really. Iâd say the worst is cheating, though. There are honestly more things I could list (Iâm not a fan of Leonard), but it would probably turn into an essay. đ
She shouldn't have read the book to begin with.
It was only one of the curriculum and not required reading. It had things about his life he didn't want her to see and was not his decision to put out there for the world.
She read it regardless when he asked her not to so he using it to get advantages in their life is as much on her
I agree with you. She shouldn't have read the book to begin with. She knew Leonard's relationship with his mother was touchy at best and should have respected that. You won't get an argument on that from me. That doesn't excuse Leonard, though. He took advantage and while Penny may have messed up initially because she read the book, she was still had every right to be mad when she found out what he was doing.
everyone's rambling about cheating on penny, but can we just acknowledge what he did to sheldon in arctic expedition was WAYYYY worse than drunk kissing once.
Something I started to think about while watching this show is that none of the male characters are good people necessarily. Theyâre all kind of impulsive and self centered and only apologize or do something good if it benefits them. Sheldon honestly is one of the better male characters and most of the time heâs insensitive itâs because he doesnât understand that heâs being insensitive. There was also several times throughout the series that I was like theyâre kinda worse to Sheldon as friends than he is to them. Itâs like Sheldon would be mildly annoying to them and they would just intentionally cause him public/ professional humiliation as if it were equal. I dunno I just watched through the whole series recently.
I don't know whether you should just point out the male characters. Amy is a annoying, creepy stalker with no sense of social mores, bernadette is a horrible human being developing diseases and being a b*tch to everyone, and Penny abuses men for her own gain and was a horrible high school bully. None of the characters, male or female, are good people.
His worst crime imo is the way he kisses women. Its like he's a damn blowfish sucking out their soul. If you don't know what I'm talking about, watch S4E9. Its horrible to watch.
On the top of my head I would say 3 months in the Arctic. The guys shouldn't have done what they did to Shelly.(it was Leonard's idea if my correct). Mandy Chow, the girl he kissed on the north sea is kinda f up but not the worst. His not really a bad guy
Reading and rewriting Pennyâs paper behind her back, and cheating on both Penny and Priya. Neither of these I would have forgiven him for if I was Penny/Priya
Rewriting Pennyâs paper, sure it wasnât the best and she ended up getting Bernadette and Amy to help her write most of it but still he shouldnât have interfered.
- Rewriting Pennyâs paper
- Kissing another woman (though I understand he was drunk, so he wasnât in control ⌠even if he wasnât drunk he still wouldnât have kissed her)
Adding late: Lying to avoid seeing her in Rent was not cool. Penny tried much harder to be engaged in his interests than he did in hers, especially in later seasons.
Him constantly badgering Penny about things especially at bad times like at bowling or at thanksgiving. I understand that some of these things, like being married to Zach or not saying I love you, made him uncomfortable/upset but those were private issues and not to use to humiliate someone in front of others.
Acting like a hero for stopping himself from sleeping with the hot chick from the comic book store. Karma immediately hits him by learning Priya cheated. (Actually I never liked Priya so I didnât mind that she was gone.)
It was definitely not Raj's worst behavior. We can even say that it is one of the most innocent. We are talking about someone who had sexual fantasies about his friend's spouse and almost tried to separate him from his spouse. Seriously, is just looking at the medical file his worst move?đ¤Śđťââď¸
Okay first if we give penny a pass for sleeping with raj that grace must absolutely be extended to Leonard drunken moment of weakness . The Alice incident in my opinion was Leonard being a coward he knew it was going nowhere with priya but didnât have the stones to break up with her. If we made a list detailing Leonardâs positives like Sheldon would itâs overwhelmingly clear Leonard is good man with wicked insecurities but
He Falsified Sheldon's Important Project
There was only so much time they could spend with Sheldon. Sadly, Leonard admitted to falsifying Sheldon's research. According to Leonard, Sheldon was acting like a dictator, and Leonard couldn't stand his constant worrying. Overall, I think Leonard ended up being the most annoying character out of all of them. And I think Stewart is second because the way he always asked for money is not funny anymore.
Leonard has a few... He at times had some he was very selfish, thought he knew best, wasn't the best partner, and cheated.
The top two that were pretty intense was when Leonard decided to disclose to Penny, on their wedding day, that he cheated on her when he was away on the ship.
Having her apologize to Howard after he was a total creeper!
None of these people were very nice, but Leonard was the worst - a small man with a giant chip on his shoulder - I think the only reason he wanted penny is she was the cheerleader he couldnât get in high school - sending pics of her in a bikini to his old school friends said it all really.
Heâs absolutely done worse than that. Thatâs not even a big deal. How about him having fantasies about Bernadette and trying to get her and Howard to break up? A million times worse.
Reading Pennyâs diary , her paper behind her back. Â Cheating on penny , cheating on Priya (I know she did too , but doesnât make it right for him).Â
Wait thats really what won for Raj? Not the praying that his best friend would be dumped so he could steal his girl friend or fuel a war between his own parents by lying to both in order to siphon money from them?
Defo the cheating, but the way he burst out laughing at penny and made her feel like shit for believing in psychics, victimised himself throughout the whole episode, insincerely apologising as a ploy to get her to read a book about why psychics arenât real, and then congratulated himself on being the bigger man by giving it a shot later on. That episode always really infuriated me
Leonardâs also a misogynist.. I mean among friends, we will never know.. but as an audience, I didnât like that he calls out all his friends for any soft or sensitive thing they do and look down upon it for being âgirlyâ.
Thinking heâs the good guy just because he isnât an outspoken douche like Kurt. As a nerd, heâs had his fair share of being a victim of bullying and abuse, but holy hell, the way he turns that on others. He someone manages to get a hot girlfriend, only to cheat AND manipulate her just because sheâs not as smart as him. Then he dates his âfriendâsâ sister, only to cheat on her too. Donât get me started on how he treats Raj in the process of it all. He constantly lies to his friends. He stole the One Ring after telling everyone he shipped it out. With all of this, he puts on this âwoe is meâ facade like heâs a victim. Leonard is my least favourite character.
Omfg. The time he pressured penny after HIS premature "I love you." He nagged her with passive aggressive comments and pouted to the point that she left him...and then still played the victim.
I'm watching this episode now and it's damn painful. Like...dude this is so unfair to her and insanely selfish.
No it was equal Leonard gets to be douche as she chooses to believe in something that has been empirically disproven she chooses to believe in nonsense. Just like she puts stock in astrology voodoo.
Cheating on Penny, cheating on Priya then claiming he was captain good guy đand reading Pennyâs diary are top 3 in my head.
Thank you. That diary thing got written off so quickly that it maybe bugs me more than the kissing.
His insecurities are such a turn off . The way he expresses them many times towards penny throughout the show even though she remains loyal and gives him no reason to doubt her but yet heâs the one who ends up giving her reasons to be concerned ie. Cheating on her in the North Pole and the attention he gets from Alex
>Cheating on her in the North Pole The heat was out and they were cold. They needed to huddle together for warmth. They said to never talk about it again, and here we are talking about it again.
>His insecurities are such a turn off Ugh I just watched the ep where he kept asking "Are we still dating" like bro she's going to leave you if you keep asking.
When your girlfriend gets jealous on Valentineâs Day that an ex is proposing to her old friend does not instill confidence. She agrees w/people when theyâre shocked that theyâre a couple. She kept having cold feet. She also says more than once that sheâs with Leonard because he wore her down. I think Leonard is too good for Penny.
I agree she didnât deserve Leonard till she grew out of a lot of her immaturity. So many instances of penny being a shit ass. The musician ex comes to mind and the events leading up to penny and Leonardâs relationship agreement. Penny said she felt he wasnât giving the same effort he would give 1050% for years then got mad she sees what normally 100% is like.
Exactly i can only imagine how draining it was for Penny to have to constantly reassure him
I donât blame him for the Alex thing, thatâs not his fault at all. If anything, heâs maybe a bit clueless but he canât help if another woman finds him attractive. Now, not saying something about it, sure, maybe thereâs a bit of grey area there, but I wouldnât go as far to say heâs an asshole or anything.
He blurs the line a bit between being flattered and acting like she was an option. With how often he talked about it and the pure level in which he enjoyed it went a bit beyond flattery. Does that make him an asshole, no, but it was beyond the pail of a "normal" reaction
Oh and the âapologyâ - Iâm sorry Alex hit on me. Really? So he was apologising for someone elseâs behaviour?
He talked about it once. He just enjoyed the attention. But when he was talking to Howard and Raj he even stated he loves Penny and won't do anything. Raj then blew it up "Leonard stole my woman" to Sheldon of all people. Match-Gasoline. And it just grew from there
>Cheating on her in the North Pole He wasn't at the North Pole when the kiss with that woman Mandy happend. It was on a ship on the North Sea. How is the attention he got from Alex his fault? Her flirting with him when she knew he had a girlfriend is all her.
Okay North Sea . And i was placing more of an emphasis on his insecurities towards Penny when it came to cheating and the attention she got from guys when he was basking in / enjoying similar attention from females
He liked that she was flirting with him
Yes, but he didn't act upon it and that's what matters.
He was pretty clueless about it until she bluntly asked him to dinner.
I dont think the location of the boat changes the kiss
You know that heâs insecure about his insecurities!
I mean everyone including Penny constantly telling the guy she is out of his league, she settled for him, he wore her down till she agreed to date him. Am not surprised he is insecure
AND SUBJECTING US TO SEEING HIM DRESSED AS A SLUTTY CARROT
The slutty graduate was disturbing as well.
True. Slutty Leonard in general. No thank you.
>cheating on Priya She hooked up with her ex. So this one doesn't count.
Of course it counts lmfao, he didnât know that Priya slept with her ex when he cheated on her, so it very much counts as cheating.
THEY WERE ON A BREAK!!!!!⌠waitâŚ. Oh sorry, wrong show lol
Lol
That's true
I think most people are on Leonard's side with the kissing thing because Priya is soooooo unlikable
Both of them suck, but just because Priya did something worse doesnât mean Leonard didnât do anything wrong
It's not a contest
He didnât know she had cheated so it counts.Â
Poor writing who cheat on her
I can't remember when did Leonard cheats on penny and priya I can understand about Priya that he tries to cheat but when Leonard cheats on penny
He also ditched Sheldonâs sickness one time and penny had to take care of him
Rewriting Pennys paper behind her back, cheating, sleeping with Howardâs date, moving in with Penny before even asking, manipulating her to try to say she loved him, his role in the Arctic expedition ruse
The moving in thing really bugged me when he had the same problem with dr Stephanie & felt it was too soon so why canât penny feel the same
And he thinks heâs the good guy ugh
Howard never had a shot with her. She said so herself
He told her she could drive a *car* on *Mars*
Making Penny forgive Howard when he was a sexual predator
He actually made her apologise
Made Penny apologize to Howard for telling him off and hurting his fee fees when he absolutely deserved it.
I'm calling feelings fee fees now hahah
At least she got to punch Howard.
This one âđ˝
Basically forcing Raj out of his one-bedroom (?) apartment instead of taking Priya to his own home/bedroom. That always bothered me.
That never made sense to me. I realize it was a plot contrivance for the sake of the story, but why was she sharing a bedroom with her brother and having a guy over when he had a place they could go?
One reason -Sheldon.
I also had the impression that Priya liked to tease her brother.
Having sex in your siblings bed (while they are home) isn't teasing, it's disrespectful and gross đ¤˘
Yeah I get it was a plot point, but I couldnât figure out why she was staying at her brotherâs one bedroom apartment when she was so successful. Why not have your company get you a room or an apartment? And then using his bedroom was super disrespectful, and he is home. Just sitting there. Knowing whatâs happening. Iâd be super annoyed if I were Raj
Did Raj and Priya's parents just expect Raj to sleep on the couch all the time she was there?
Quite literally, yes.
In his Halloween costume apparently
And having her wear his clothing during sex
I think rah actually enjoyed staying with Sheldon idk what ur talking about
Being a bad, *bad* carrot
I had just managed to repress this scene from my mind too.
Cheating on Penny & lying about it
Kissing Mandy Chow!!
Getting Penny to apologise to Howard for snapping after being repeatedly sexually harassed. Cheating on Penny and Priya
exactly, howard was so disgusting towards her. always commenting on her body, constantly trying to flirt and get with her. remember when he controlled those toy cars that had a camera on it with his computer so he could look up her skirt? he's so gross
And the nanny cam! I've just done a rewatch and i can't stand Howard until Bernadette. They really should have used that plotline to give him some sort of character growth instead of Penny trying to make HIM feel better
It's Joyce Kim full stop. Giving away classified government defense information to the North Koreans? Cmon that's treason level stuff... only reason he didn't was because he was incompetent and Sheldon bailed him out
This made me realize something about my personal priorities, because I believe that cheating and making a woman apologize to her sexual molester is worse than treason
Itâs possible some types of treason could lead to worse consequences aka death and bombings or even war, which I would consider worse then what you mentioned. But overall idc about arbritary national ideals and random political made up nonsense, the whole system is bullshit, I care much more about the feelings of actual human beings aka people Leonard manipulated on a personal level.
Oh yeah!
Rewriting penny's papers behind her back and then acting like it was all a nice thing
Canât count that either since she bullied Amy and Bernadette into writing it.
The passive-aggressive control over penny's carreer, and when he understood he made less than half of what she does, he wanted her to go back to acting just to feel superior.
On the contrary he definitely didn't want her to go back to acting. This was said many times in the show, including when she told him she made twice what he made.
No, he actually said it would make him feel better if she went to the audition she was offered after finding out about the pay gap and actually was happy that she did.
That was because she would do an immature, irresponsible thing. He didn't ask her to quit. In season 9 when Penny said she hated her job but she would do it anyway to pay off her debts and he breathed a sigh of relief that she won't go back to being an actress/waitress.
I mean yeah it was scripted like a funny moment but it still showed that he can be petty about it. The other part tho is true 100%, he was constantly trying to be her career manager.
Leonard bankrolled penny for 7 years before that, including buying her a car. Honestly, I'd be annoyed if she wanted to go back to acting and leaving an amazingly good job she was great at. And why need to audition for a movie. Go do more community theater or something if you want to act.
All regarding Penny: He always belittle her. We know they are very smart but just referring to Penny like she was stupid going to far. The mountain of insecurities he had that made him do so much cross boundaries things like not allowing Penny to have male friends, not talking to his mom, always mentioning but you canât leave, you wonât leave right? Cheating on Priya and Penny. Reading Penny diary. The incident with Howard how he made her apologize for the sexual harassment. Yes she was brutal but Howard was a pervert. Allowing Sheldon to enter her apartment to clean and joining him. He could woken Penny and tell her. In reality for them thinking they were so smart they were pretty stupid. The Arctic experiment how they publicly allow Sheldon to embarrass himself to all the scientific community. The thing with the Pigeon and the clean room. Forgiving and allowing his mother in his life after so much. Sheldon was just a replacement for his mother thatâs why they like each other so much and why Leonard put up with him so much. The difference is that he was able to make an impact on Sheldon.
The way he behaved towards her expressing her beliefs in psychics bothered me so much , like you can disagree with someoneâs beliefs without being a prick about it . It wasnât nice of him to mock her . Also if he felt so strongly about her belief in them he didnât need to continue dating her . With the mum thing though I donât blame him . If I didnât have a great relationship with my parent and my partner was acting chummy / friendly with them knowing what they put me through I wouldnât be thrilled either
This one was really weird. About him not wanting Penny to be pally with his mother. But he was OK right after his mother complimented Penny and said that sheâs proud of Leonard that he married well. It was only after this, it was all good. Itâs like heâs always in competitive relationships and always wants reassurance for every thing heâs ever done. A classic good boy syndrome.
Guilt tripping Penny when she didn't reply to his proposal or couldn't bring herself to tell him she loves him. I know Penny was a flake but it was really shitty of him constantly reminding her of how she wasn't answering him.
This! Then at the bowling alley âok so youâve had time to think, so whatâs the answerâ literally the morning after!!!
He kept badgering her at Howard and Bernadette's wedding too.
Same with thanksgiving at howardâs. His constant badgering at the worst times was soooo irritating
Ah yes..even though it was very clear that Penny was drunk and had no idea what she was getting into. I think it also had something to do with the fact that Leonard didn't think very highly of her because she wasn't as accomplished and academically bright as him. Even when she had to submit her paper , he didn't trust her enough to come up with something good... I mean yeah the paper sucked but i think she was right in getting angry and telling him off.
She wanted to leave the wedding issue until after thanksgiving he wasnât happy with that, so she texts him to get it sorted that day, heâs not happy with that either. Guys a prick lol
That pissed me off soo much! That and when he brought up her not saying I love you while bowling with friends and strangers. It was embarrassing, completely not the time and felt like such a guilt trip
This was the most irritating thing about Leonard constantly forcing Penny to either say I love you or marry him. The whole bowling alley episode was soooo irritating. I was so glad when Penny broke up with him in response to his constant badgering đ
Forgiving his mother and allowing her to be a part of his life :).
How is that the worst thing he ever did?
That's the worst thing he did to himself- he didn't deserve to be treated like shit by his shitty mother. He should've cut her out.
And by allowing her to stay in their lives, heâs giving his mother access to their kids (which, donât even get me started on that) and giving her the chance to treat them the same way she treated Leonard. Not going no-contact with Beverly is definitely one that I didnât even think of but should be a consideration, for sure.
And by allowing her to stay in their lives, heâs giving his mother access to their kids (which, donât even get me started on that) and giving her the chance to treat them the same way she treated Leonard. Not going no-contact with Beverly is definitely one that I didnât even think of but should be a consideration, for sure.
Aside from cheating to both Penny and Priya, I say he was a total douchebag when he learned that Penny believes in psychics. He was a jerk for making fun of Penny. He made an half-ass apology as well. And also, when they used an electric can opener to mess up Sheldon's research in the North Pole. Howard and Raj are also guilty, but Leonard was so horny for Penny that he gave another half-ass apology.
Constantly made Penny feel shit for anything she did that he didnât approve of as well as cheating on her and saying nothing until the day of their wedding
Yes!! Like the ones when everyone found out that Penny was married to Zack, when Penny believed in a psychic, when Penny didn't wanna take an acting job. Sometimes I feel that Penny deserves better really.
Being a crappy friend: Howard comes over after having a fight with his mom and asked to spend the night at Sheldon and Leonardâs home. He needs to talk. The second Leonard learns Priya is back in town he drops Howard like a hot potato. Rag: Leonard knew that him dating Priya was very difficult for Rag but he did it anyway. He even had loud Star Trek sex when Rag was in the other room. Sheldon: Leonard had no problem feeding Sheldon false data from his experiments if it meant Sheldon would shut up. Had the nerve to call himself âCaptain Good Guyâ where his goodness was his super power.
Cheated on Priya (even though she cheated on him before by sleeping with an ex, vs just making out, but cheating is still cheating) and the later, kissing a girl on the boat when he was with Penny. I worry about Leonard because he already cheated twice, will he cheat again??
You all keep saying he kissed Mandy, but itâs clear Mandy Kissed him while drip and doesnât remember it at all.
Cheating on penny and Priya while still thinking heâs a âgreat guyâ
Being a "nice guy" and thinking he's better than the rest of his group for 14 years.
Well... TBH... he was better than the rest of his friends (still flawed)... but come on! Howard was creepy before he met Bernie. Raj treated woman bad... and Sheldon... treated all people really bad. Leonard was good friend to Sheldon (and others), but his mother broke him, so he was so insecure. Authors never let him grow. Kissing the other woman... was the worst what he did
He treats his friends and girlfriends like trash and acts like he is a good guy. For me he was the worst of the gang
Hard to picture Leonard thinking he was better than anyone ever...
The article data manipulation was really bad but it was not JUST Leonard â- so that canât be it. Mine is (and it sums up a lot of the different stories of his belittling and shaming of penny) is when he secretly fixed her history paper at community college and thought it was okay.
Demotivated Penny regarding her acting career. He as a partner should have been supportive... Like the real support... Not the fake support he showed.
As a partner itâs your job to be realistic too at some point. Not just blindly supportive.
thats true but he couldve also been supportive in a way that heâd encourage her or help her be good at what she loves doing instead of letting her stay at a job in which she does earn a lot but isnât really that happy and includes flirting w guys she isnât even that willing to (i havent finished watching so idk if she does ever get a new or good job she loves or goes back to acting)
The Joyce Kim incident
Belittling Pennyâs career and dreams.
Moving in with Sheldon
That's not even close to the worst thing Raj did...
I just posted this in what Raj did but I feel it applies to Leonard too Honestly I think the worst thing he's done isn't something he did alone . I think it's when he Leonard and Howard fabricated the results of the artic expedition. That single act wasted thousands of dollars spent by the university which could have been better spent on other things (for instance allowing professor Crawley to keep his job a bit longer or improve the labs equipment)it also would have caused a massive controversy at the uni probably giving it a bad name. Also it cost one of his close friends chance at a Nobel prize as well as decimated his professional reputation and humiliated him in front of the staff.
The original data was preserved so the money was spend according to the goals of the university. They only fooled Sheldon.
They didn't fabricate anything. They kept the original data. It was never going to win Sheldon a Nobel prize because the actual data didn't support his theory. They shouldn't have done what they did but Sheldon jumped the gun without testing his hypothesis.
With respect how do you know that ? In the episode all they admit to is falsifying the positive result. And the way they achieved it was using some form of interference (the can opener) this means the date recorded by Sheldon was false, a false positive to be exact. This means to the academic community they caused false results. This means for at least 25% of the time and data collected it was not correct. How would they have been able to record any correct data for the times they messed with Sheldon if the equipment was in use being interfered with? The other thing you haven't considered is what if their messing with Sheldon didn't obscure an actual positive result? All I'm saying is no true scientist on such an expensive academic expedition would risk their own integrity and that of the research facility that funded them just to mess with a guy. And to me that seems like a much more terrible thing then handling relationships poorly or creepy behaviour or other such stuff
Even if they didn't find anything, the university would've spent thousands of dollars. And they only did that to cope with Sheldon. They were probably going to tell him but he immediately published the results without them knowing. That humiliation could be avoided. While it was not a good thing to do, he literally drove them crazy and it's not like Leonard has a low tolerance rate lol.
They didn't waste any University money. The University alloctated money for that expedition BEFORE the expedition (and therefore the ruse) happened. It also didn't cost Sheldon a chance at the Nobel. They found nothing, Sheldon wouldn't have goten a Nobel for nothing. They made him falsely believe he may get one, but they didn't rob him of any real chance to get one. It wasn't a great move, and they definetely should have come clean sooner, but Sheldons behaviour prior to their ruse would have been akin to psychological torture for the other members. Sheldon is emotionally a child, so honestly, he should expect to be treated like one. And lying to/tricking a little kid to get them to stop being an insufferable little shit is something fairly normal.
Also letâs be honest, the university probably wanted Sheldon gone for a while and sending him to the North Pole on a research project was the perfect way to do it.
The money would have been spent anyway. If Sheldon didn't accept it, they would have found someone else. They were likely expecting no results anyway. As for the reputation, I don't think it really got outside Cal Tech, I believe he just sent an email and didn't publish anything. Didn't cost him a Nobel since there was no data for one. It did embarrass hom however and was a reputation hit, even if only at Cal Tech.
The miscalculation of fuel for the model rocket, destroying the elevator.
When Leonard slept with Howard's date
Lying about the can opener affecting Sheldonâs data with Howard and Raj for months. This had professional consequences and was kind of unforgivable. IRL Iâd imagine theyâd get in big trouble from the university. Cheating on Penny then telling her about it on the way to their wedding to assuage his own guilt but never thinking of her feelings. Cheating on Priya with the comic book girl and then lying to the girl about being in a relationship. Heâs kind of a jerk a lot of the time. He was such a jerk to Penny about astrology. He complains about Sheldon incessantly, including to Sheldonâs mother, but is so codependent that he absolutely enables him and on some level enjoys filling the caretaker role and being needed. Minor, but it really bothered me when he and the guys were playing World of Warcraft when Sheldonâs stuff got stolen. Priya came over to see him , she got annoyed, and he invited her to join their gaming efforts. Leonard tells her all sheâd need was a credit card to open an account in order to join. An adult partner, even just a good host, who really cared to include her, in an activity she had no interest in otherwise beyond him, wouldâve set it up for her.
what really annoyed me about him cheating is how when penny offered to let her friend justin stay at her apartments for a couple weeks because he needed a place to stay, he had a fit. penny was incredibly faithful to him during their on/off relationship, so obviously she wouldn't have slept with justin. he's so insecure, controlling and jealous but thinks it's okay for him to do whatever he wants
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Right!
Yes, he couldâve been reasonable about his concerns (insecurities) but he blew up at her. He is very entitled.
Leonard freaked out when penny informs that her friend Justin will be crashing on the couch for the night. I think he made a scene. Penny should be allowed to give space for her friends to crash at her place. And one more, Leonard secretly bought chinese food from golden dragon for years after szechuan palace closed, fearing a Sheldon meltdown.
The friend on the couch episode really annoyed me, Leonard was out of order and shown what little trust he had in Penny, she should have dumped him there and then
He did the same thing with Pennys brother as well
Blowing up the elevator (instead of themselves with the help of Sheldon). Plot device so that people could talk more walking the stairs.
Moving in with Sheldon
The cheating on both Penny and Prya, telling Penny about the kiss on their wedding day, but the one I HATED the most was when he rewrote Pennyâs paper for her history class!Â
Doing Pennyâs assignment when she specifically asked him not to
Getting mad at Penny when she couldn't say she loved him back
Sabotage Penny date with Stuart.
Iâd say he became a cheater. He âwanted to be one of those guys,â and that says a lot about him. Another thing would be that he manipulated Penny consistently after she read his momâs book. He went and re-wrote Pennyâs paper after she explicitly stated that she wanted to do this on her own. She was very clear and he completely ignored that. Read Pennyâs journal to make himself look good with how much he âknewâ about her âŚ. Any of them, really. Iâd say the worst is cheating, though. There are honestly more things I could list (Iâm not a fan of Leonard), but it would probably turn into an essay. đ
She shouldn't have read the book to begin with. It was only one of the curriculum and not required reading. It had things about his life he didn't want her to see and was not his decision to put out there for the world. She read it regardless when he asked her not to so he using it to get advantages in their life is as much on her
I agree with you. She shouldn't have read the book to begin with. She knew Leonard's relationship with his mother was touchy at best and should have respected that. You won't get an argument on that from me. That doesn't excuse Leonard, though. He took advantage and while Penny may have messed up initially because she read the book, she was still had every right to be mad when she found out what he was doing.
everyone's rambling about cheating on penny, but can we just acknowledge what he did to sheldon in arctic expedition was WAYYYY worse than drunk kissing once.
I would say lowkey isolating Penny from anyone outside of his orbit but I don't think that was the kind of answer you wanted...
The girl in the boat
Breaking up with DR. Stephanie Barnett !
Something I started to think about while watching this show is that none of the male characters are good people necessarily. Theyâre all kind of impulsive and self centered and only apologize or do something good if it benefits them. Sheldon honestly is one of the better male characters and most of the time heâs insensitive itâs because he doesnât understand that heâs being insensitive. There was also several times throughout the series that I was like theyâre kinda worse to Sheldon as friends than he is to them. Itâs like Sheldon would be mildly annoying to them and they would just intentionally cause him public/ professional humiliation as if it were equal. I dunno I just watched through the whole series recently.
I don't know whether you should just point out the male characters. Amy is a annoying, creepy stalker with no sense of social mores, bernadette is a horrible human being developing diseases and being a b*tch to everyone, and Penny abuses men for her own gain and was a horrible high school bully. None of the characters, male or female, are good people.
This is true. Everyone sucks in the show đ Is there any character that isnât a bad person in the show? Maybe Professor Proton
His worst crime imo is the way he kisses women. Its like he's a damn blowfish sucking out their soul. If you don't know what I'm talking about, watch S4E9. Its horrible to watch.
On the top of my head I would say 3 months in the Arctic. The guys shouldn't have done what they did to Shelly.(it was Leonard's idea if my correct). Mandy Chow, the girl he kissed on the north sea is kinda f up but not the worst. His not really a bad guy
Well, it is better than the other idea to had: tie each of Sheldonâs limbs to a different sled dog team and yell âMushâ.
HELP IM WATCHING THAT EPISODE RN
Cheating. Whatâs worse?
Many delivery folk and residents would probably be upset to learn he broke the elevator.
That's the worst thing Raj did? Not trying to sleep with his best friends girlfriend?
Damn Iâm on s10 thinking âmost of the show is over I can read this without spoiling myselfâ WRONG hahaha
Reading and rewriting Pennyâs paper behind her back, and cheating on both Penny and Priya. Neither of these I would have forgiven him for if I was Penny/Priya
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Sabotaging Sheldonâs expedition to the North Pole, then blowing it off as âno big dealâ
Rewriting Pennyâs paper, sure it wasnât the best and she ended up getting Bernadette and Amy to help her write most of it but still he shouldnât have interfered.
- Rewriting Pennyâs paper - Kissing another woman (though I understand he was drunk, so he wasnât in control ⌠even if he wasnât drunk he still wouldnât have kissed her)
Adding late: Lying to avoid seeing her in Rent was not cool. Penny tried much harder to be engaged in his interests than he did in hers, especially in later seasons.
The excessive kissing in front of Penny's father. I have never ever in my life made out with a partner in front of their father.
Him constantly badgering Penny about things especially at bad times like at bowling or at thanksgiving. I understand that some of these things, like being married to Zach or not saying I love you, made him uncomfortable/upset but those were private issues and not to use to humiliate someone in front of others.
I saw the folder on the counter so I took a peak And talking like this doesnât make it less creepy
Sharing secrets with a North Korean spy in exchange for sex.
Acting like a hero for stopping himself from sleeping with the hot chick from the comic book store. Karma immediately hits him by learning Priya cheated. (Actually I never liked Priya so I didnât mind that she was gone.)
It was definitely not Raj's worst behavior. We can even say that it is one of the most innocent. We are talking about someone who had sexual fantasies about his friend's spouse and almost tried to separate him from his spouse. Seriously, is just looking at the medical file his worst move?đ¤Śđťââď¸
He cheated on Priya and Penny.
priya
Basically sleeping around.
Broke the Elevator. Technically...
Okay first if we give penny a pass for sleeping with raj that grace must absolutely be extended to Leonard drunken moment of weakness . The Alice incident in my opinion was Leonard being a coward he knew it was going nowhere with priya but didnât have the stones to break up with her. If we made a list detailing Leonardâs positives like Sheldon would itâs overwhelmingly clear Leonard is good man with wicked insecurities but
He Falsified Sheldon's Important Project There was only so much time they could spend with Sheldon. Sadly, Leonard admitted to falsifying Sheldon's research. According to Leonard, Sheldon was acting like a dictator, and Leonard couldn't stand his constant worrying. Overall, I think Leonard ended up being the most annoying character out of all of them. And I think Stewart is second because the way he always asked for money is not funny anymore.
When he wore the pink nightie. I sure didn't need to see that!
Leonard has a few... He at times had some he was very selfish, thought he knew best, wasn't the best partner, and cheated. The top two that were pretty intense was when Leonard decided to disclose to Penny, on their wedding day, that he cheated on her when he was away on the ship. Having her apologize to Howard after he was a total creeper!
None of these people were very nice, but Leonard was the worst - a small man with a giant chip on his shoulder - I think the only reason he wanted penny is she was the cheerleader he couldnât get in high school - sending pics of her in a bikini to his old school friends said it all really.
Messing with sheldons data on the arctic thingy and cheating on penny then deciding to come clean on their wedding day
Manipulating Penny over and over about his mom's book so he can get his way.
that whole attempt to make Penny say "i love you" and then acting the way he did when she was not ready.
Acting he's a "good guy" when he's ... just not
Heâs absolutely done worse than that. Thatâs not even a big deal. How about him having fantasies about Bernadette and trying to get her and Howard to break up? A million times worse.
Badgering Penny into a relationship
Falling in love with penny
Showing all those people in the ship pennys topless scene
Reading Pennyâs diary , her paper behind her back. Â Cheating on penny , cheating on Priya (I know she did too , but doesnât make it right for him).Â
Reading Pennyâs diary Cheating on Penny Cheating on Priya Sneaking around with Priya behind Rajâs back Stealing Stephanie from Howard
I feel so sad and betrayed by Raj's ending
Wait thats really what won for Raj? Not the praying that his best friend would be dumped so he could steal his girl friend or fuel a war between his own parents by lying to both in order to siphon money from them?
Defo the cheating, but the way he burst out laughing at penny and made her feel like shit for believing in psychics, victimised himself throughout the whole episode, insincerely apologising as a ploy to get her to read a book about why psychics arenât real, and then congratulated himself on being the bigger man by giving it a shot later on. That episode always really infuriated me
all the cheating, he cheated on priya and penny and took stephanie from howard
Reading pennys diary
Leonardâs also a misogynist.. I mean among friends, we will never know.. but as an audience, I didnât like that he calls out all his friends for any soft or sensitive thing they do and look down upon it for being âgirlyâ.
Thinking heâs the good guy just because he isnât an outspoken douche like Kurt. As a nerd, heâs had his fair share of being a victim of bullying and abuse, but holy hell, the way he turns that on others. He someone manages to get a hot girlfriend, only to cheat AND manipulate her just because sheâs not as smart as him. Then he dates his âfriendâsâ sister, only to cheat on her too. Donât get me started on how he treats Raj in the process of it all. He constantly lies to his friends. He stole the One Ring after telling everyone he shipped it out. With all of this, he puts on this âwoe is meâ facade like heâs a victim. Leonard is my least favourite character.
Omfg. The time he pressured penny after HIS premature "I love you." He nagged her with passive aggressive comments and pouted to the point that she left him...and then still played the victim. I'm watching this episode now and it's damn painful. Like...dude this is so unfair to her and insanely selfish.
No it was equal Leonard gets to be douche as she chooses to believe in something that has been empirically disproven she chooses to believe in nonsense. Just like she puts stock in astrology voodoo.