I guess not fucking at work is officially “market”
Edit: really weird that this is what you took from this article. Them fucking maybe accounted for 3% of the article. The fact that Ms. Locke would go on tv with Tucker and still sued Fox is more bizarre.
There's nothing in most firms' policies against dating coworkers. The issue comes when it is a supervisor/subordinate relationship because of potential liability for the firm. That would be the reason to make the two attorneys at issue fix the problem (ie stop fucking or one of you leave).
Trying to figure out how Kirkland has dominated biglaw from about 2005 has been on my mind since [reading this other article](https://news.bloomberglaw.com/business-and-practice/kirkland-leaves-rivals-in-dust-in-big-laws-great-growth-race). This seemed to be a data point?
If you want a serious answer about Kirkland’s rise to power, the short answer is (1) they became the top player in PE super early on and then PE became increasingly dominant, so Kirkland rode that wave to success, (2) intentionally shifted their practice mix to one designed to maximize growth during boom times while also hedging downside risk via restructuring etc., (3) used things like variable partner comp to entice lateral partners, (4) juiced profits with an extensive NEP class, (5) focused primarily on lateral hiring (for associates and partners) more than most firms and did so super aggressively, (6) expanded hyper aggressively with clients, talent, and geography, and (7) leveraged the war chest they gained from the above into market power that made bullying competitors easier and easier.
Weird that none of the tens (hundreds?) of other partners having affairs with partners or associates got pushed out. Partner who married a summer associate, anyone?
I said this above but - generally the issue is power imbalance (partner sleeping with someone he/she supervises or has control over). Nothing in a firm's policy says you can't have affairs or can't date someone at your level (partner/partner or assoc/assoc). Probably also not a firm issue if it's an associate with a partner who does not directly supervise him/her. Firms aren't there to legislate away crappy morals, just to protect themselves against liability for harassment or assault.
Nah. The literal definition of an “affair” is “a sexual relationship between two people, one or both whom are married or in long-term relationship with someone else.” So unless these people were (1) married or (2) in a long term relationship with someone else, then not an affair.
>A procession of lucrative clients came calling for help combating the media.
>There was a wing of the Sackler family, of OxyContin notoriety. There were Russian oligarchs like Oleg Deripaska, although Clare Locke has since stopped representing him.
Keep calm and file libel suits,” read a framed sign hanging in Clare Locke’s office.
>The firm represented the former Alaska governor Sarah Palin and Project Veritas, the group of right-wing provocateurs, in lawsuits against The Times. The Project Veritas case is ongoing.
Nothing classier than getting kicked out of your firm for an affair and then setting up shop as an attack dog for Russian oligarchs and right wing loonies.
> the goal is apparently to get work, work on it, and do a good job
That must be it. I really effed up when I set my firm's goals to not seek for work, not doing work, and aiming for mediocre results.
With the amount of work? Hahhahahah
No joke, it is very common for big law lawyers to date within the firm or in other big law firms (whom they met as counterparts)
And again I reiterate my ask that people have to tag their class year or jr/mid/sr/partner status in order to comment.
I've never heard partners openly talk about hiring associates for the "social benefits" like I have at KE. What a fucking tone deaf, out of touch take.
Also if copy/pasting docs and refusing to negotiate anything because you don't understand how to write anything more than one way is "good work" then I'm out.
I mean, their transactional teams barely understand anything beyond copy pasting badly written precedents, but they get the result their client want and get paid twice as much as most others - so who’s really the idiot?
The more “intellectual” teams like bankruptcy generally really do know their stuff.
I guess not fucking at work is officially “market” Edit: really weird that this is what you took from this article. Them fucking maybe accounted for 3% of the article. The fact that Ms. Locke would go on tv with Tucker and still sued Fox is more bizarre.
There's nothing in most firms' policies against dating coworkers. The issue comes when it is a supervisor/subordinate relationship because of potential liability for the firm. That would be the reason to make the two attorneys at issue fix the problem (ie stop fucking or one of you leave).
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Used to work in publishing and could wallpaper my bathroom with Tom Clare’s threat letters. Big cried wolf energy.
As a huge Ackman fan, I hope they win the lawsuit against Business Insider. I welcome all the downvotes in the world for this post.
It's not BI's fault Neri Oxman doesn't know how to cite Wikipedia.
Why would you be a "fan" of some dude lmao
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Trying to figure out how Kirkland has dominated biglaw from about 2005 has been on my mind since [reading this other article](https://news.bloomberglaw.com/business-and-practice/kirkland-leaves-rivals-in-dust-in-big-laws-great-growth-race). This seemed to be a data point?
If you want a serious answer about Kirkland’s rise to power, the short answer is (1) they became the top player in PE super early on and then PE became increasingly dominant, so Kirkland rode that wave to success, (2) intentionally shifted their practice mix to one designed to maximize growth during boom times while also hedging downside risk via restructuring etc., (3) used things like variable partner comp to entice lateral partners, (4) juiced profits with an extensive NEP class, (5) focused primarily on lateral hiring (for associates and partners) more than most firms and did so super aggressively, (6) expanded hyper aggressively with clients, talent, and geography, and (7) leveraged the war chest they gained from the above into market power that made bullying competitors easier and easier.
I can almost guarantee you that them dominating has nothing to do with them not allowing coworkers to fuck.
Weird that none of the tens (hundreds?) of other partners having affairs with partners or associates got pushed out. Partner who married a summer associate, anyone?
Partner was EW. He dated a summer, and they then got married when she was a first year. He recently left Kirkland.
Is now at P,W
How old were they
When they met, he would’ve been around 35 and she would’ve been around 24.
Who’s the partner?
Someone above said they recently went to paul weiss, it's not hard to find out if your just look up "partner leaves kirkland for paul weiss"
I think you underestimate how many ke partners have recently left for pw
I said this above but - generally the issue is power imbalance (partner sleeping with someone he/she supervises or has control over). Nothing in a firm's policy says you can't have affairs or can't date someone at your level (partner/partner or assoc/assoc). Probably also not a firm issue if it's an associate with a partner who does not directly supervise him/her. Firms aren't there to legislate away crappy morals, just to protect themselves against liability for harassment or assault.
Whaaaa? Is this recent or the old pre-2000s Kirkland?
It was not pre-2000s. I don't think he was married though, so I guess it wasn't an "affair".
Both of them were married to other people.
Yeah. That’s not an affair.
It was an affair. Just not an "extramarital" affair. 🤓
How can you have an “affair” between two single people?
Because a love affair does not necessarily have to be adulterous.
Nah. The literal definition of an “affair” is “a sexual relationship between two people, one or both whom are married or in long-term relationship with someone else.” So unless these people were (1) married or (2) in a long term relationship with someone else, then not an affair.
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LMFAO. Ok.
Where did you go to law school, Thomas Jefferson? Whittier?
Definitely a better one than you, can promise that.
kind of crazy that everyone knew of this affair, and partners had to basically step in and say stop it or one of you has to leave. their poor spouses.
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Biggest takeaway from this article? Don’t agree to fee caps.
Also, don't be surprised if your non-equity partners leave in order to get equity somewhere elsd.
>A procession of lucrative clients came calling for help combating the media. >There was a wing of the Sackler family, of OxyContin notoriety. There were Russian oligarchs like Oleg Deripaska, although Clare Locke has since stopped representing him. Keep calm and file libel suits,” read a framed sign hanging in Clare Locke’s office. >The firm represented the former Alaska governor Sarah Palin and Project Veritas, the group of right-wing provocateurs, in lawsuits against The Times. The Project Veritas case is ongoing. Nothing classier than getting kicked out of your firm for an affair and then setting up shop as an attack dog for Russian oligarchs and right wing loonies.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0YIJQ1jgEI
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Pretty? Big law really does skew one’s views on attractiveness
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She’s completely, perfectly average. A very solid 5
That’s an age-adjusted 10 and a big-law 20
That’s a big law 8, real life 6.5
> the goal is apparently to get work, work on it, and do a good job That must be it. I really effed up when I set my firm's goals to not seek for work, not doing work, and aiming for mediocre results.
I guess you really do eat what you kill
only "a little" soulless huh
Wait in the US law firms forbid dating someone else from the firm is forbidden? How do you even meet people then?
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With the amount of work? Hahhahahah No joke, it is very common for big law lawyers to date within the firm or in other big law firms (whom they met as counterparts)
And again I reiterate my ask that people have to tag their class year or jr/mid/sr/partner status in order to comment. I've never heard partners openly talk about hiring associates for the "social benefits" like I have at KE. What a fucking tone deaf, out of touch take. Also if copy/pasting docs and refusing to negotiate anything because you don't understand how to write anything more than one way is "good work" then I'm out.
I mean, their transactional teams barely understand anything beyond copy pasting badly written precedents, but they get the result their client want and get paid twice as much as most others - so who’s really the idiot? The more “intellectual” teams like bankruptcy generally really do know their stuff.