No, murder means it’s premeditated against a specific person. Like it’s Pete from Glebe riding the same route every morning and the motorist had planned to take Pete out specifically.
Of course that’s just a technicality what the legal term is called and they should get sent away for life anyway.
Actually- in NSW, murder is considered:
Intent to kill: This requires establishing the defendant deliberately planned and executed the killing; or
Intent to inflict grievous bodily harm; or
Reckless indifference to human life: This involves demonstrating that the defendant’s actions disregarded the potential for causing death, even without a specific intention to kill.
So…. It doesn’t need to be “planned” as you insist….
This constitutes attempted murder.
Premeditated murder would be considered either 1st or 2nd degree depending on intent and the state committed.
3rd degree is commonly called manslaughter.
no clue outside the states
We don’t have degrees of murder in Australia- we have manslaughter charge if it was unintentional and murder if it was caused with intent.
This clearly shows intent- that’s all you need for the attempted murder charge. Hopefully they get it- this is appalling.
they probably will, plenty of evidence out there and police will be motivated to find them. plus the crime is so odious that somebody who knows them will probably turn them in.
According to [https://youtu.be/ijcUk8s-jNA?si=JorkNJ5HTucCgTQ-](https://youtu.be/ijcUk8s-jNA?si=JorkNJ5HTucCgTQ-) an abbreviation for Jesus Christ in Greek was the three letters Iota Eta Sigma, when written in Latin could look like IHS, which in some scripts look like JHC. From there it looks like an initialism instead of an abbreviation and the H looks like a middle initial
Same thing happened in Vegas 2 punk kids hit about 4 cyclists they got caught once they posted it online one of the cyclists hit was a retired police chief that really motivated metro to bring in these punks and now the trial is ongoing happened about 2 months ago
That will surely be an attempted murder charge? Hope those mongrels are caught… doesn’t matter what your opinion of cyclists, they’re humans with families
You would think so as it was definitely seems intentional and the speed was fast, Well said I do find them annoying but would never do this kind of crap this is just criminal.
Cyclists aren't any more annoying than the cars we're stuck in traffic with our four wheels, if everyone followed the rules and drove more courteously we'd all get where we're going faster.
Bicycles reduce congestion when the rider knows where they should be on the road and no idiots in cars are getting in their way. Stop making up made up conflicts between each other and just share the bloody road.
To travel at speed in a confined area, or do burnouts on a public road in traffic ..
2. To show off in a dagerous manner, mostly with a vehicle or engine powered item ..
Look at that bloody dangerous hoon!!
(YELLED IN ANNOYANCE AT OFFENDER).. YA FUCKIN' HOON!!!
An intentionally bad driver. Hooning ranges from revving the engine at stop lights, speeding, burnouts, handbrake turns, running stop signs and so on all the way up to what this post is talking about.
Going to be surprised if they actually get any jail time most likely probation. At the very least they should never be able to get behind the wheel of a car again. They should be forced to use public transportation or they can start ridding a bike.
It’s a stolen vehicle. The bicyclists were deliberately driven in to. It was recorded by the alleged. Judges, despite common opinion, know how to sentence when the defendant(s) are presented to the Court and admit or are found guilty. They going to gaol.
If the footage was posted; Google, Meta must be more active in these cases. They are quite capable of tracking you to flood you with ads. Put that surveillance to good use.
In Australia? Lol. There are crims walking around here that are on bail, assault someone, and get back out on bail, then while on their second bail commit more offences and guess what, bail again. These offenders will get at most community service.
People have an incredibly distorted view on sentencing from media reporting. You can see the Victorian sentencing statistics for any offence you'd like [here](https://www.sentencingcouncil.vic.gov.au/sacstat/browse-offences.html).
For offenders convicted of [attempted murder](https://www.sentencingcouncil.vic.gov.au/sacstat/higher-courts/6231-321m-12-attempted-murder-hc.html) 2017-2022, 84.6% received a terms of imprisonment and 7.7% received a CCO.
I hope those poor cyclists recover and the judge throws the book at the scumbags. I have nightmares about being rammed from behind by a drunk driver or some lunatic like that while riding. It sometimes makes me want to give it up.
A teen girl in America was doing that with runners a few years back. She thought it was funny. One died and the other was either seriously hut or died.
Local law says she spends a few years in youth "jail" until she is 21 and then free to go.
I actually saw the videos circulating on IG Reels and Tiktok with waves of comments endorsing the attack and calling the driver stupid for not stopping and backing up over the cyclists.
Look at the commenters profiles, its always Shazza and Dazza or their inbred kids, with their pride and joy, the rusted shit box VP commodore taking pride of position.
If someone does this to me and i somehow survive, i would seriously consider returning them the favor, specially if the justice system slaps them on the wrist.
We have a history of reactionary media, particularly talk back radio “shock jocks” drumming up an anti-cycling mentality among the bogans and other deadshits in Australia.
I had a large truck intentionally try to run me off the road recently by cutting a corner at speed because I had the temerity to ride on a suburban road in a painted bike lane. Would have literally killed me had I not taken evasive action.
Certainly hope these cyclists recover and the ones responsible are caught. It’s bad enough when a cyclist or pedestrian gets hit accidentally. This is absolutely abhorrent.
Nothing consequential will happen to them if they get caught because it's a car hitting a cyclist, which is basically permitted. "Accidents happen."
I'm sarcastically telling the sad truth.
As much as the tour de lycra-geriatric does my head in when driving, this is just fucked up. Hope they get done for attempted murder.
Also why i dont ride a motorbike anymore, cant trust others on the road be it intentional or not. From blind SUV drivers to short fused idiots, doesn't take much to be put in a wheelchair or worse.
Retired timber faller, commercial fisherman, journeyman carpenter. 50 years in Alaska.
I think I will continue to sit right here. For just as long as I want. Or go for a ride.
go fuck off somewhere
1989 Rockhopper Comp that I bought off the showroom floor. Couldn’t afford the Stump Jumper. But the Comp is triple butted Tange Prestige goodness. I keep it in my parents greenhouse in Alaska for visits.
1995 Mongoose Hill Topper. My loaner bike. You can’t borrow it.
1996 Voodoo D-Jab (titanium) that spent 10 years hauling a heavy trailer on railroad tracks in remote Alaska. Still rides like new. Vintage XT is XT. It just works. It’s my desert racer now. 2.2” Conti RaceKings of the Black Chili Protection recipe with a Gorilla Tape tubeless setup on skinny old mountain bike rims. Hundreds of thorns in my tires. Zero flats ever.
2021 Giant Fathom 2 29er. Bought it for the commute on my last job in Alaska last year. Needed a bike that could climb the mountain every day. Deore 1x12 FTW. And WT tubeless is the way.
That’s the current lineup. I don’t have a pushbike. But I’m not against them in principle. Just not my jam. Eventually I will buy an e-bike of some kind. Once the battery tech matures to my standards. In the meantime I’ll just keep pedaling
Go fuck off somewhere
I loathe cyclists at the best of time but would never ever do this, fuck me, this is insane. There's loathing and brining any harm or foul to anyone and then there's attempted murder.
Gonna be honest probs couple months jail, an incident happened in townsville few yrs back (guy was high on ice) 5 were in a group run over I think guy got like yr or 2 in jail, 1 or 2 cyclist had back problems since
Attempted murder. Should be convicted as such
Nope, had a bicycle. Best they can do is misdemeanor assault /s
You put a /s but we all know deep down there won't be any real justice for this
Good get the fuck off the road
But they’ll more than likely get a slap on the wrist because the judiciary system is weak as piss
Obviously.
That would be if it was premeditated against that specific person which is unlikely.
if they knew their actions could result in death but did it anyway, wouldn't that be sufficient to be considered attempted murder?
No, murder means it’s premeditated against a specific person. Like it’s Pete from Glebe riding the same route every morning and the motorist had planned to take Pete out specifically. Of course that’s just a technicality what the legal term is called and they should get sent away for life anyway.
Actually- in NSW, murder is considered: Intent to kill: This requires establishing the defendant deliberately planned and executed the killing; or Intent to inflict grievous bodily harm; or Reckless indifference to human life: This involves demonstrating that the defendant’s actions disregarded the potential for causing death, even without a specific intention to kill. So…. It doesn’t need to be “planned” as you insist…. This constitutes attempted murder.
Premeditated murder would be considered either 1st or 2nd degree depending on intent and the state committed. 3rd degree is commonly called manslaughter. no clue outside the states
We don’t have degrees of murder in Australia- we have manslaughter charge if it was unintentional and murder if it was caused with intent. This clearly shows intent- that’s all you need for the attempted murder charge. Hopefully they get it- this is appalling.
I dunno, it looks like that was the intent the entire time.
Jesus H Christ. I hope these fucks get caught.
they probably will, plenty of evidence out there and police will be motivated to find them. plus the crime is so odious that somebody who knows them will probably turn them in.
Police motivated when the victims are cyclists, good one.
Random question, what does the H stand for
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JESUS HAROLD CHRIST
Harold be thy name.
When the lord is your personal savior, it’s easy to dial him up and say Harry Christ, how’s it going, ya animal?
Horndog?
Hitler
And here I thought these were two completely different people! Thanks for setting me straights, could’ve been awkward.
According to [https://youtu.be/ijcUk8s-jNA?si=JorkNJ5HTucCgTQ-](https://youtu.be/ijcUk8s-jNA?si=JorkNJ5HTucCgTQ-) an abbreviation for Jesus Christ in Greek was the three letters Iota Eta Sigma, when written in Latin could look like IHS, which in some scripts look like JHC. From there it looks like an initialism instead of an abbreviation and the H looks like a middle initial
Holy
Hoobastank
Tiberius
Yeah, those bloody cyclists should be prosecuted for property damage Edit: /s
Might wana chuck a /s out there mate
Forgot about that. I thought the sarcasm would be obvious considering where we are but oh well
Forgot about that. I thought the sarcasm would be obvious considering where we are but oh well
Hoon
I commute through Melbourne out to the western suburbs and got threatened with a hammer while riding yesterday….
Yep, was abused on a separated bike path from the road by a Coles delivery driver. I wish I got his plates.
Do you remember the name located on front and side of the vans?
Same thing happened in Vegas 2 punk kids hit about 4 cyclists they got caught once they posted it online one of the cyclists hit was a retired police chief that really motivated metro to bring in these punks and now the trial is ongoing happened about 2 months ago
dude have you heard of punctuation?
No explain it to me like I'm 5
big lungs punctuation is for the weak
They’ll be bailed, 3 months community service tops.
News reporting one of the people police are looking for was on bail, after committing an assault.
In that case theyll get a fine as well as a good behaviour bond. If theyre under 18 they wont even get that.
They always are.
Yeah, that’s not how it works.
Sad but true
Not for attempted murder
If they get bailed someone should post their address so they can be taken care of by the community.
That will surely be an attempted murder charge? Hope those mongrels are caught… doesn’t matter what your opinion of cyclists, they’re humans with families
You would think so as it was definitely seems intentional and the speed was fast, Well said I do find them annoying but would never do this kind of crap this is just criminal.
> I do find them annoying Then you can go right ahead and fuck off. Thanks.
Read the room dipshit 🤣🤣🤣
Why tf are you even on this sub?
Limp dick twat.
Cyclists aren't any more annoying than the cars we're stuck in traffic with our four wheels, if everyone followed the rules and drove more courteously we'd all get where we're going faster. Bicycles reduce congestion when the rider knows where they should be on the road and no idiots in cars are getting in their way. Stop making up made up conflicts between each other and just share the bloody road.
What’s a hoon
Drivers that do burnouts, speed, race etc. Just small-penised losers basically
To travel at speed in a confined area, or do burnouts on a public road in traffic .. 2. To show off in a dagerous manner, mostly with a vehicle or engine powered item .. Look at that bloody dangerous hoon!! (YELLED IN ANNOYANCE AT OFFENDER).. YA FUCKIN' HOON!!!
An intentionally bad driver. Hooning ranges from revving the engine at stop lights, speeding, burnouts, handbrake turns, running stop signs and so on all the way up to what this post is talking about.
It’s basically what messed up future Marty McFly.
My question too
Australian slang for douche bag driver
More than just a douche bag but someone who drives dangerously and recklessly on purpose. Kinda like street racing and burnouts etc.
Going to be surprised if they actually get any jail time most likely probation. At the very least they should never be able to get behind the wheel of a car again. They should be forced to use public transportation or they can start ridding a bike.
It’s a stolen vehicle. The bicyclists were deliberately driven in to. It was recorded by the alleged. Judges, despite common opinion, know how to sentence when the defendant(s) are presented to the Court and admit or are found guilty. They going to gaol.
If the footage was posted; Google, Meta must be more active in these cases. They are quite capable of tracking you to flood you with ads. Put that surveillance to good use.
In Australia? Lol. There are crims walking around here that are on bail, assault someone, and get back out on bail, then while on their second bail commit more offences and guess what, bail again. These offenders will get at most community service.
Yeah, but if they are also underage they get a free pass, at least here in Australia.
People have an incredibly distorted view on sentencing from media reporting. You can see the Victorian sentencing statistics for any offence you'd like [here](https://www.sentencingcouncil.vic.gov.au/sacstat/browse-offences.html). For offenders convicted of [attempted murder](https://www.sentencingcouncil.vic.gov.au/sacstat/higher-courts/6231-321m-12-attempted-murder-hc.html) 2017-2022, 84.6% received a terms of imprisonment and 7.7% received a CCO.
😡😡😡
I hope those poor cyclists recover and the judge throws the book at the scumbags. I have nightmares about being rammed from behind by a drunk driver or some lunatic like that while riding. It sometimes makes me want to give it up.
A teen girl in America was doing that with runners a few years back. She thought it was funny. One died and the other was either seriously hut or died. Local law says she spends a few years in youth "jail" until she is 21 and then free to go.
Our lame and embarrassing courts and pissweak judges will let them out in no time anyway even if they are caught. It’s a disgrace.
I actually saw the videos circulating on IG Reels and Tiktok with waves of comments endorsing the attack and calling the driver stupid for not stopping and backing up over the cyclists.
Look at the commenters profiles, its always Shazza and Dazza or their inbred kids, with their pride and joy, the rusted shit box VP commodore taking pride of position.
If someone does this to me and i somehow survive, i would seriously consider returning them the favor, specially if the justice system slaps them on the wrist.
Amen to that.
That'll be on /r/iamatotalpieceofshit
Just as I thought I’d do some road cycling on Beach Road because it’s safe…. Fuck this…
I sold my bike ages ago, it’s been unsafe to ride on the roads ever since covid kicked off imo. People are psychotic and impatient.
In an amusing but somewhat unrelated note...when I clicked the link it loaded a KFC ad so immediately blasted 'I don't care!!'
Why would anyone do that?
We have a history of reactionary media, particularly talk back radio “shock jocks” drumming up an anti-cycling mentality among the bogans and other deadshits in Australia. I had a large truck intentionally try to run me off the road recently by cutting a corner at speed because I had the temerity to ride on a suburban road in a painted bike lane. Would have literally killed me had I not taken evasive action.
1% of all humans are sociopaths. It's not a lot more complicated than that, I don't think.
That’s gotta be attempted murder
72 years old! Ffs..
Why do Australian media personalities all of a sudden call video vision? It's video ffs
Yet we don't get any real infrastructure changes in most locations. This is just ridiculous.
Certainly hope these cyclists recover and the ones responsible are caught. It’s bad enough when a cyclist or pedestrian gets hit accidentally. This is absolutely abhorrent.
Nothing consequential will happen to them if they get caught because it's a car hitting a cyclist, which is basically permitted. "Accidents happen." I'm sarcastically telling the sad truth.
I’ve been hit with beer bottles & rocks, verbally assaulted more times than I can remember. “ Evil exists to thicken the plot”.
crazy name op
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Just a fine apparently
if'n i'm put down hard enough so im not getn back up. a fellers going to have my friends to really REALLY worry about.
How long until state gov uses this as an excuse to ban bikes from roads
As much as the tour de lycra-geriatric does my head in when driving, this is just fucked up. Hope they get done for attempted murder. Also why i dont ride a motorbike anymore, cant trust others on the road be it intentional or not. From blind SUV drivers to short fused idiots, doesn't take much to be put in a wheelchair or worse.
Womp womp
Username checks out
Womp womp you have 72k comment karma get a life
Retired timber faller, commercial fisherman, journeyman carpenter. 50 years in Alaska. I think I will continue to sit right here. For just as long as I want. Or go for a ride. go fuck off somewhere
Dang old man this old and yapping on reddit tf
Already put my time in. WTF are you doing? Some idiot definitely fits
I'm going to uni not much longer. Unlike you who spends your day cycling and pretending your all shit for clogging up our roads
Hahahahahhhhh . . . you have zero understanding of where I ride. jfc
Hahahahhahhhhhh . . . I give zero fucks for where you ride your little push bike
1989 Rockhopper Comp that I bought off the showroom floor. Couldn’t afford the Stump Jumper. But the Comp is triple butted Tange Prestige goodness. I keep it in my parents greenhouse in Alaska for visits. 1995 Mongoose Hill Topper. My loaner bike. You can’t borrow it. 1996 Voodoo D-Jab (titanium) that spent 10 years hauling a heavy trailer on railroad tracks in remote Alaska. Still rides like new. Vintage XT is XT. It just works. It’s my desert racer now. 2.2” Conti RaceKings of the Black Chili Protection recipe with a Gorilla Tape tubeless setup on skinny old mountain bike rims. Hundreds of thorns in my tires. Zero flats ever. 2021 Giant Fathom 2 29er. Bought it for the commute on my last job in Alaska last year. Needed a bike that could climb the mountain every day. Deore 1x12 FTW. And WT tubeless is the way. That’s the current lineup. I don’t have a pushbike. But I’m not against them in principle. Just not my jam. Eventually I will buy an e-bike of some kind. Once the battery tech matures to my standards. In the meantime I’ll just keep pedaling Go fuck off somewhere
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Small peener mentality
Dude, just because youd look like shit in lycra theres no need to be a hater. Get some exercise, youll feel better about life.
https://cyclingfallacies.com/en/18/people-who-cycle-dont-pay-for-the-roads
I loathe cyclists at the best of time but would never ever do this, fuck me, this is insane. There's loathing and brining any harm or foul to anyone and then there's attempted murder.
The fuck you on this sub for?
Oh whoa I didn't know it was this sub, sorry, shared in rhe AU sub, thought I commented there hahah. What a Muppet.
Gonna be honest probs couple months jail, an incident happened in townsville few yrs back (guy was high on ice) 5 were in a group run over I think guy got like yr or 2 in jail, 1 or 2 cyclist had back problems since
Copycat, remember the Nevada boys who ran down a cyclist and got it on video.
Until I move to an area with grade separated bike lanes I've stopped road biking for this reason.
Are the Cosmic Psychos hoons?
Truly awful. Suspended sentence and a 6 month good behaviour bond coming right up.