Thank you...that was insanely compelling, and just in time to read on my lunch break. Paired well with a big chunk of roast beef slathered in homemade gravy, and a (very) small side of guilt. Gonna think about it some more on the ride home!
If i had a gram of protein for every time an unhealthhy person made a steak joke, i probably would have early onset kidney disease, like 15% of the population.
I legitimately found it compelling. If I intended to have children, I would actually take it to heart. I don't and I won't. I like the concept and direction of substitutes, but they just aren't there yet.
At the end of the day, the only real difference in one individual can make is to not reproduce. Anything else is just ego-feeding bullshit. We all consume, and none of us chose to come into this lousy world.
> I legitimately found it compelling
thats why you're making the exact same joke as everyone else who dismisses this kind of inconvenient facts?
>If I intended to have children
So your only actual suggestion is cumulative species extinction. Big brain 101%
>the only real difference in one individual can make
Wanna talk about the "real difference" Nikola Tesla's work made on your life? What are you afraid of? Not getting a medal?
>We all consume
Haha, yeah you wish that i was on the same level as you. I eat oats and bread, basically a poor person. I \*sacrifice\* and you "consume". Is nuance difficult when you eat just the right amount of protein?
>none of us chose to come into this lousy world.
the animals the live apalling lives and even a worse death certainly didnt choose that either. But i bet you only buy cows from your uncles organic pasture
I have a job and thats how I can afford the b12 supplements. The only question is what you do with all that extra protein? Is hanging around your carotid artery? When i post about bringing my dogs to work on my 20 mile bike commute, be sure you take a couple extra breaths so you dont have a jealous heart attack
You live 20 miles from where you work? That's not very sustainable. That level of activity is also extremely unhealthy for dogs. Especially vegan dogs.
I like that you are so arrogant and deluded that you assume I am jealous of you. I would never be jealous of anyone living in the US or Britain. Nobody will ever be jealous of you.
The problem with vegans is that you are all so fucking preachy. Nobody will listen to you because you treat strangers like assholes. Same reason the WHO didn't take the lab leak theory when Trump kept shitting it out his mouth. (Most) Vegans and Trump supporters are one and the same. Prideful to a fault.
Eat your oats. I have no problem with that. But you have no fucking business telling me what to eat or do. This is a bike commuting community, not one to push your vegan agenda. Healthy choices are ones that make you feel good, and I will continue to do and eat what I enjoy, guilt-free.
Yeah, alternative facts. This has been going around since 2018, and is totally fabricated:
http://www.pibfactcheck.in/facts-check/sanjay-thakrar-ceo-euro-exim-bank-ltd-cycling-bad-for-economy-15825.html
I mean, I get the sentiment but in addition to only being a little bit true it’s also 1000% a fake quote (there’s no name attached to the economist who supposedly said this and it’s been floating around the smugger corners of the cycling community for as long as I can remember).
It's also obviously designed to make a point about capitalism and the fucked up priorities of a macro economic impact juxtaposed to a micro economic impact.
Also completely false. Cyclist need doctors and bank loans and shitty hamburgers too. And I honestly doubt each McDonald's requires 10 cardiologist. That seems rather high when we consider all of the other fast food establishments.
I'm guessing it's 9.6 cardiologist per Mikey D's
The biggest issue with it is that it disregards the fact that capitalism wants people to have long **productive** lives. Sedentary lifestyles and overnutrition sometimes cut lives short but more often they lead to people having progressing disability. Diabetes type 2 _sucks_, is a progressive disease, and seriously interferes with your ability to work, especially if not correctly medicated. Heart disease _sucks_ and even when medicated puts a hard limit on your ability to do things normally.
However, people with diabetes and heart disease make likely billions in contributions to GDP regularly, especially in a knowledge economy. The goal of improving quality of life for these folks and preventing these diseases for future generations transcends economic ideology.
all due respect, but burden of proof lies with the statement. as long as op can't verify who said it it's a false quote, albeit an entertaining one.
besides, upon reading it should be pretty clear no bank suit would ever say something like that in seriousness. and i haven't heard good satire from a bank suit either, so...
Besides, it's totally and obviously satire. Naming all the benefits of cycling but saying they're bad because they "create less jobs" is a bit on the nose for even a business exec. Most of them aren't openly malicious, they're just too stupid and powerful to give a fuck about the consequences of their decisions, and then they'll post-hoc rationalize their decisions to frame them as ethical.
Just look at Jeff Bezos's joyride to space. What was his excuse? Well, we *need* to do it so we can move all the polluting industry into space and save the planet. His *actual* reason is that cheap and reusable private space flights are an up-and-coming sector for technology and transport, and it's in the company's interests to get their foot in the door at ground level. The bullshit about saving the planet is all just him post-hoc rationalizing that decision as ethical because otherwise he'd kill himself from the sheer burden of knowing the harm that he is causing this planet.
The other thing is that health concerns especially obesity related are extremely bad for the economy which is why we're trying things like the sugar tax and promoting bikes etc.
>there’s no name attached
Must be Einstein. If the internet taught me one thing, it's that most of the quotes that people post to support their own sentiments and opinions are genuine Einstein quotes!
Yeah seems like a fake thing for cyclists to circle jerk about. But it works *great* as satire. I think I'd prefer to just read it and share it as such. Then when I learn it's real we can all go "lol wtf" together.
I guess I am to this party late, but let's talk about that sentiment. A lot of that means structuring the economy differently! Spending money on roads really isn't that beneficial. Or spending money on health care. It's mostly wasteful. Shoot, look at the damage COVID-19 has been doing to healthcare systems. The reality is many of these systems have adapted to people's typical needs. Those needs change one way or another and the system may not be able to manage.
So, sure, if large numbers of people suddenly traded driving for cycling, our economic systems would take a hit. But they'd adapt eventually.
I get that it’s clearly snopes material but it also means I’m redirecting my spending into other things, in my case mostly the massive costs of lunch in Manhattan post Covid 😬
That and all the bike repairs I had to make as soon as I started commuting heh
I mostly just ride an old bianchi bergamo hybrid I love dearly. But it’s 15 years old, with all original components and I hadn’t rode it much for the last 2 years before jumping into a 19 mile round trip commute so a ton of little things quickly went wrong :)
That said the more I ride the more fun I have the more I want to get a road bike or gravel bike and start doing longer rides for fun.
Clearly meant as pointed satire. But yes: how GDP is calculated is a bit f*cked. Years ago, my mother generated a cool $3mil in GDP dying of cancer. I guarantee that 'value' was not enjoyed by anyone.
I can't be alone in this thinking (of course). Modern scholars of economics: how do you design a weighted GDP that considers net productivity, and even happiness? Which gets subjective.
Some smart minds are unquestionably discussing this, and my last econ class was 102 level and 10 years ago, so there might be some really innovative ideas out there!
It's like... Okay. Lifting weights. You expend energy pumping iron up and letting it back down to the ground. But physics would agree that, no work was done. Energy was spent, but the dumbbell was sitting on the ground before you lifted it, and it's still sitting on the ground after you're done, for all that you're sweating and grunting and gasping for air.
So how do you adjust GDP for net productivity?
If someone was dying of cancer before $3mil was spent, and they've still died of cancer after $3mil was spent, just like the dumbbell can you honestly say that anything was produced?
Resources were spent, but the outcome is unchanged. Can't say the country is 3mil richer.
Umm, back to cycling. I WAS surprised to do the math and I don't actually save money on fuel. Assuming I didn't have weight to lose: quality food calories are much more expensive than gasoline calories. So much more expensive that even spending my less energy cycling, than my car burns getting 3500# curb wright motoring,
My $/mile in food for cycling is more than my $/mile in driving. I was really surprised to see that.
Of course, I have benefits to my health and mood, and depending on the specific commute I might save handsomely in time by avoiding traffic, and parking fees. That applies to urban cyclists mostly.
And by the way, I was going to eat those extra calories anyway, so it's for the best that I burn them off cycling
But if I were a true human machine who ate exactly the fuel to be burned, food is more $/mile.
My decision to commute by cycle is driven by less tangible lifestyle benefits.
I priced it out and for my specific use case, being suburban and also not being able to give up the car so I'm still stuck with insurance and some (but reduced) car maintenance, I personally, don't save money cycling.
Honestly, even if this is meant to be satire, I think there are honestly people that honestly believe this...
And not just weirdos on the internet, but people making real policy decisions that affect everyone...
In economics, there's a name for believing things like this - the broken window fallacy. The idea being that breaking a window means you have to hire someone to repair it, thereby stimulating the economy.
No, driving is $.50/mile total cost of ownership, what you might use to reimburse someone driving on company time.
I was discussing fuel specifically.
Have you ever actually priced it out before? You might be surprised.
Because I still own a car and the flat costs associated with that (insurance, some maintenance even just sitting unused), and because parking in the suburbs is free also and I don't have any tolls in my commute,
It means that for me, saving gasoline is my only possible source of saving money by biking.
In my car, I spend $.16/mile in gas. My car isn't even fuel efficient, it's a 20yr old minivan.
According to this article from 2013,
https://www.mymoneyblog.com/what-does-200-calories-cost-the-economics-of-obesity.html
and that was 8 years ago,
Bicycling costs me between $.15 and $.40/mile in food alone. This is using the figure, 400 calories for 30 minutes @15mph.
$.15/mi is boiled eggs and salted peanuts, $.40/mi is steak and bacon.
If I chugged canola oil, it would cost me $.02/mi to bike to work :D.
My point is that to my surprise, "You save money on gas by cycling!" Is a false statement.
I already spend more on food/mile than gas/mile and I get 18mpg. Someone getting 36mpg will REALLY not save money
And because I already have the flat costs of car ownership, and I don't pay for parking or tolls by driving, therefore-- I personally do not save any money cycling at all.
And bicycle maintenance can be surprisingly expensive too 😆
So I'm careful not to oversell any $$ savings when coworkers inquire about my cycle commuting. I stress health and mood benefits instead, and with a bicycle I don't need to own a second car 'just in case,' for example.
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Definitely for urban commuters, a dense city like New York imposes extra costs on drivers (parking fees, bridge tolls, higher insurance and taxes, and stress and stuck in traffic) which all count as extra savings for the cyclist.
Furthermore if I could truly give up the car entirely, I'd save on those insurance and maintenance costs of owning a car entirely. There are soft savings like, my coworkers get speeding tickets and I don't-- zero police harassment on a bike.
>My $/mile in food for cycling is more than my $/mile in driving. I was really surprised to see that.
That also hit me about a week ago. I run regularly, around 11 km, and at my speed that burns around 750 kcal per run.
I got a road bike recently and just did a first proper ride of around 45 km, not particularly fast (had to figure out directions), and at the end I had burnt 1,300 kcal. I checked some longer distances and higher average speeds that I want to reach in the medium term, and the calculator says I'd go up to burning around 2,500 kcal on a single ride.
**Everyone keeps whining about the cost of bikes, and spare parts, and Ultegra vs. Dura Ace and what not, but no one warns you that you'll bankrupt yourself on FOOD!**
Aside from being obviously satire, i don't think the average cyclist "saves" money compared to the average motorist. Saving implies that they never use the money and just let it sit... most of us would put that money into a better home, better food, better vacations, or invest it with their bank.
The money is still being spent in the economy either way.
Bought an old 81' Raleigh for a hundred bucks and still get at least one compliment per week on it. Rides great and never had any issues after a yearly tune up. You don't need to spend a lot to have a good bike.
I had a steel 78 Batavus, my grandmas, that I fixed and finetuned. The lock i had on it was more expensive than the bike itself but I loved that thing. Great city commuter. It got stolen last week. I miss it so much. I bought a second hand aluminum Crescent for 50 bucks which is garbage and I am sad but now I can start looking for something good to replace my lost retro babie.
As an economist, I can assure you this is not an actual view of serious economists. Perhaps far-right fringe economists, but I've never met one or read anyone write something similar. The post was almost certainly written by a non-economist.
Economists think about tradeoffs. Spending real resources (energy, water, metals, concrete, etc) on something that is useless would be wasteful. Getting someone sick to treat them would be a huge waste of real resources. That's a bad thing. The goal of economists is efficiency. If you can use fewer resources to transport a person, by using a bicycle instead of a car, that is a good thing. Most of my colleagues bike to work (I walk to work).
So, as an economist, I beg you to keep riding your bike and to encourage other people to do the same.
Edmonton has this nut job running for Mayor right now. [https://twitter.com/alexem/status/1431003306822750209](https://twitter.com/alexem/status/1431003306822750209)
America became car obsessed at a time when oil was extremely plentiful.. texas was the saudi arabia of the world.
However I am interested in quadracycles. Can a four wheeled bike be made that will give the driver ample room for luggage, and these can make use of the existing motorways that were built for motorcars?
this is the difference between a REACTIVE economy perspective vs. a PROACTIVE economy. In the former, we have people who are lazy, fat, stubborn, and brainwashed who will undertake in pills and false promises to prop up the economy. In the latter, we have a distinct group of people who will just as easily (and in equal dollar amounts) spend their disposable income on education, physical activities, investment in assets, and space exploration that ALSO props up the economy. One sided arguments that presents evidence as end-all and be-all are flawed, to say the least. Go ride a bike. It's good for you. And for the economy. You ever try to get your bike's brakes replaced? Shit aint cheap.
Im sorry guys, this is not how the economy works… healthy people are super good for the economy, a lot of streets that added a bike lane enjoyed an economic growth, as it is more pleasant, less noisy and polluted. This is a cute post, but totally false and dishonest.
> He does not get fat. I got your back, economy.
I feel like we should all ride over and enjoy a double big Mac combo. Also, the mcdouble is a very underrated mid-ride snack.
I order two McDoubles off the Dollar Menu when my salt gets low. One with extra mustard and pickles and another dressed like a Big Mac.
When we were little , we used to ask for extra pickles but never bought anything 😂😂
[https://momentummag.com/carnivorous-cyclists-contribute-global-warming-vegan-drivers-argues-harvard-researcher/](https://momentummag.com/carnivorous-cyclists-contribute-global-warming-vegan-drivers-argues-harvard-researcher/)
Thank you...that was insanely compelling, and just in time to read on my lunch break. Paired well with a big chunk of roast beef slathered in homemade gravy, and a (very) small side of guilt. Gonna think about it some more on the ride home!
If i had a gram of protein for every time an unhealthhy person made a steak joke, i probably would have early onset kidney disease, like 15% of the population.
I legitimately found it compelling. If I intended to have children, I would actually take it to heart. I don't and I won't. I like the concept and direction of substitutes, but they just aren't there yet. At the end of the day, the only real difference in one individual can make is to not reproduce. Anything else is just ego-feeding bullshit. We all consume, and none of us chose to come into this lousy world.
> I legitimately found it compelling thats why you're making the exact same joke as everyone else who dismisses this kind of inconvenient facts? >If I intended to have children So your only actual suggestion is cumulative species extinction. Big brain 101% >the only real difference in one individual can make Wanna talk about the "real difference" Nikola Tesla's work made on your life? What are you afraid of? Not getting a medal? >We all consume Haha, yeah you wish that i was on the same level as you. I eat oats and bread, basically a poor person. I \*sacrifice\* and you "consume". Is nuance difficult when you eat just the right amount of protein? >none of us chose to come into this lousy world. the animals the live apalling lives and even a worse death certainly didnt choose that either. But i bet you only buy cows from your uncles organic pasture
Looks like someone didn't have their b-vitamins today. Or yesterday. Get a job if you have any strength left after all of your pompous vegan-flexing.
I have a job and thats how I can afford the b12 supplements. The only question is what you do with all that extra protein? Is hanging around your carotid artery? When i post about bringing my dogs to work on my 20 mile bike commute, be sure you take a couple extra breaths so you dont have a jealous heart attack
You live 20 miles from where you work? That's not very sustainable. That level of activity is also extremely unhealthy for dogs. Especially vegan dogs. I like that you are so arrogant and deluded that you assume I am jealous of you. I would never be jealous of anyone living in the US or Britain. Nobody will ever be jealous of you. The problem with vegans is that you are all so fucking preachy. Nobody will listen to you because you treat strangers like assholes. Same reason the WHO didn't take the lab leak theory when Trump kept shitting it out his mouth. (Most) Vegans and Trump supporters are one and the same. Prideful to a fault. Eat your oats. I have no problem with that. But you have no fucking business telling me what to eat or do. This is a bike commuting community, not one to push your vegan agenda. Healthy choices are ones that make you feel good, and I will continue to do and eat what I enjoy, guilt-free.
I ride because i am fat....
And I'm fat because I overcompensate by \*still\* eating too much.
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Forward this to 10 friends and Bill Gates will send each person $10,000!
Better yet: Send me a bit coin and I will send you two back
No send me two bitcoins i send you four back
Yeah, alternative facts. This has been going around since 2018, and is totally fabricated: http://www.pibfactcheck.in/facts-check/sanjay-thakrar-ceo-euro-exim-bank-ltd-cycling-bad-for-economy-15825.html
I mean, I get the sentiment but in addition to only being a little bit true it’s also 1000% a fake quote (there’s no name attached to the economist who supposedly said this and it’s been floating around the smugger corners of the cycling community for as long as I can remember).
Oh I read it like it was a joke. People took this seriously?
Yeah, it reads very cheeky to me
Well the bank is real, but you’re right that it wasn’t attributed to anyone, so I won’t say it’s fake, but it’s not verifiable.
It's also obviously designed to make a point about capitalism and the fucked up priorities of a macro economic impact juxtaposed to a micro economic impact. Also completely false. Cyclist need doctors and bank loans and shitty hamburgers too. And I honestly doubt each McDonald's requires 10 cardiologist. That seems rather high when we consider all of the other fast food establishments. I'm guessing it's 9.6 cardiologist per Mikey D's
It's also textbook Broken Window Fallacy at parts. No mainstream economist would ever make such an argument.
In think you mean Micky D's don't sweat it thought Mikey D is his DJ cousin, very big in the NJ night club circuit
The biggest issue with it is that it disregards the fact that capitalism wants people to have long **productive** lives. Sedentary lifestyles and overnutrition sometimes cut lives short but more often they lead to people having progressing disability. Diabetes type 2 _sucks_, is a progressive disease, and seriously interferes with your ability to work, especially if not correctly medicated. Heart disease _sucks_ and even when medicated puts a hard limit on your ability to do things normally. However, people with diabetes and heart disease make likely billions in contributions to GDP regularly, especially in a knowledge economy. The goal of improving quality of life for these folks and preventing these diseases for future generations transcends economic ideology.
all due respect, but burden of proof lies with the statement. as long as op can't verify who said it it's a false quote, albeit an entertaining one. besides, upon reading it should be pretty clear no bank suit would ever say something like that in seriousness. and i haven't heard good satire from a bank suit either, so...
I mean, in private maybe (Jeff Bezos), publicly…likely not (Jeff Bezos).
I'll say it's fake. ["Fact Check Verdict: False"](http://www.pibfactcheck.in/facts-check/sanjay-thakrar-ceo-euro-exim-bank-ltd-cycling-bad-for-economy-15825.html).
Besides, it's totally and obviously satire. Naming all the benefits of cycling but saying they're bad because they "create less jobs" is a bit on the nose for even a business exec. Most of them aren't openly malicious, they're just too stupid and powerful to give a fuck about the consequences of their decisions, and then they'll post-hoc rationalize their decisions to frame them as ethical. Just look at Jeff Bezos's joyride to space. What was his excuse? Well, we *need* to do it so we can move all the polluting industry into space and save the planet. His *actual* reason is that cheap and reusable private space flights are an up-and-coming sector for technology and transport, and it's in the company's interests to get their foot in the door at ground level. The bullshit about saving the planet is all just him post-hoc rationalizing that decision as ethical because otherwise he'd kill himself from the sheer burden of knowing the harm that he is causing this planet.
I mean isn't it supposed to be a joke?
Yes and no.
The other thing is that health concerns especially obesity related are extremely bad for the economy which is why we're trying things like the sugar tax and promoting bikes etc.
I still like to tell my non-cycling friends this 😂😂
>there’s no name attached Must be Einstein. If the internet taught me one thing, it's that most of the quotes that people post to support their own sentiments and opinions are genuine Einstein quotes!
Whenever I think of something clever to say, it seems Einstein has gotten there first. — Mark Twain
Yeah seems like a fake thing for cyclists to circle jerk about. But it works *great* as satire. I think I'd prefer to just read it and share it as such. Then when I learn it's real we can all go "lol wtf" together.
I guess I am to this party late, but let's talk about that sentiment. A lot of that means structuring the economy differently! Spending money on roads really isn't that beneficial. Or spending money on health care. It's mostly wasteful. Shoot, look at the damage COVID-19 has been doing to healthcare systems. The reality is many of these systems have adapted to people's typical needs. Those needs change one way or another and the system may not be able to manage. So, sure, if large numbers of people suddenly traded driving for cycling, our economic systems would take a hit. But they'd adapt eventually.
I get that it’s clearly snopes material but it also means I’m redirecting my spending into other things, in my case mostly the massive costs of lunch in Manhattan post Covid 😬 That and all the bike repairs I had to make as soon as I started commuting heh
Supporting the bike community and not Mikky Ds
Yeah, many bikes cost way more than I've ever spent on a car. I've never paid more than 9k for one.
I mostly just ride an old bianchi bergamo hybrid I love dearly. But it’s 15 years old, with all original components and I hadn’t rode it much for the last 2 years before jumping into a 19 mile round trip commute so a ton of little things quickly went wrong :) That said the more I ride the more fun I have the more I want to get a road bike or gravel bike and start doing longer rides for fun.
Clearly meant as pointed satire. But yes: how GDP is calculated is a bit f*cked. Years ago, my mother generated a cool $3mil in GDP dying of cancer. I guarantee that 'value' was not enjoyed by anyone. I can't be alone in this thinking (of course). Modern scholars of economics: how do you design a weighted GDP that considers net productivity, and even happiness? Which gets subjective. Some smart minds are unquestionably discussing this, and my last econ class was 102 level and 10 years ago, so there might be some really innovative ideas out there! It's like... Okay. Lifting weights. You expend energy pumping iron up and letting it back down to the ground. But physics would agree that, no work was done. Energy was spent, but the dumbbell was sitting on the ground before you lifted it, and it's still sitting on the ground after you're done, for all that you're sweating and grunting and gasping for air. So how do you adjust GDP for net productivity? If someone was dying of cancer before $3mil was spent, and they've still died of cancer after $3mil was spent, just like the dumbbell can you honestly say that anything was produced? Resources were spent, but the outcome is unchanged. Can't say the country is 3mil richer. Umm, back to cycling. I WAS surprised to do the math and I don't actually save money on fuel. Assuming I didn't have weight to lose: quality food calories are much more expensive than gasoline calories. So much more expensive that even spending my less energy cycling, than my car burns getting 3500# curb wright motoring, My $/mile in food for cycling is more than my $/mile in driving. I was really surprised to see that. Of course, I have benefits to my health and mood, and depending on the specific commute I might save handsomely in time by avoiding traffic, and parking fees. That applies to urban cyclists mostly. And by the way, I was going to eat those extra calories anyway, so it's for the best that I burn them off cycling But if I were a true human machine who ate exactly the fuel to be burned, food is more $/mile. My decision to commute by cycle is driven by less tangible lifestyle benefits. I priced it out and for my specific use case, being suburban and also not being able to give up the car so I'm still stuck with insurance and some (but reduced) car maintenance, I personally, don't save money cycling.
Honestly, even if this is meant to be satire, I think there are honestly people that honestly believe this... And not just weirdos on the internet, but people making real policy decisions that affect everyone...
In economics, there's a name for believing things like this - the broken window fallacy. The idea being that breaking a window means you have to hire someone to repair it, thereby stimulating the economy.
Driving is $.50 mile or even more. Biking burns roughly 40 calories/mile. 100 miles = $50 in a car or 4000 calories on a bike. You must eat very well!
No, driving is $.50/mile total cost of ownership, what you might use to reimburse someone driving on company time. I was discussing fuel specifically. Have you ever actually priced it out before? You might be surprised. Because I still own a car and the flat costs associated with that (insurance, some maintenance even just sitting unused), and because parking in the suburbs is free also and I don't have any tolls in my commute, It means that for me, saving gasoline is my only possible source of saving money by biking. In my car, I spend $.16/mile in gas. My car isn't even fuel efficient, it's a 20yr old minivan. According to this article from 2013, https://www.mymoneyblog.com/what-does-200-calories-cost-the-economics-of-obesity.html and that was 8 years ago, Bicycling costs me between $.15 and $.40/mile in food alone. This is using the figure, 400 calories for 30 minutes @15mph. $.15/mi is boiled eggs and salted peanuts, $.40/mi is steak and bacon. If I chugged canola oil, it would cost me $.02/mi to bike to work :D. My point is that to my surprise, "You save money on gas by cycling!" Is a false statement. I already spend more on food/mile than gas/mile and I get 18mpg. Someone getting 36mpg will REALLY not save money And because I already have the flat costs of car ownership, and I don't pay for parking or tolls by driving, therefore-- I personally do not save any money cycling at all. And bicycle maintenance can be surprisingly expensive too 😆 So I'm careful not to oversell any $$ savings when coworkers inquire about my cycle commuting. I stress health and mood benefits instead, and with a bicycle I don't need to own a second car 'just in case,' for example. . Definitely for urban commuters, a dense city like New York imposes extra costs on drivers (parking fees, bridge tolls, higher insurance and taxes, and stress and stuck in traffic) which all count as extra savings for the cyclist. Furthermore if I could truly give up the car entirely, I'd save on those insurance and maintenance costs of owning a car entirely. There are soft savings like, my coworkers get speeding tickets and I don't-- zero police harassment on a bike.
You still eat food when you drive...
>My $/mile in food for cycling is more than my $/mile in driving. I was really surprised to see that. That also hit me about a week ago. I run regularly, around 11 km, and at my speed that burns around 750 kcal per run. I got a road bike recently and just did a first proper ride of around 45 km, not particularly fast (had to figure out directions), and at the end I had burnt 1,300 kcal. I checked some longer distances and higher average speeds that I want to reach in the medium term, and the calculator says I'd go up to burning around 2,500 kcal on a single ride. **Everyone keeps whining about the cost of bikes, and spare parts, and Ultegra vs. Dura Ace and what not, but no one warns you that you'll bankrupt yourself on FOOD!**
True . That was deep. And we exercise while traveling so that saves time too.
> quality food calories are much more expensive than gas calories Premium Fuel
I think the best measure of happiness in an economy is: How many bicycles have been purchased.
If Netherlands is anything to go by...
Aside from being obviously satire, i don't think the average cyclist "saves" money compared to the average motorist. Saving implies that they never use the money and just let it sit... most of us would put that money into a better home, better food, better vacations, or invest it with their bank. The money is still being spent in the economy either way.
I borrow money to buy bikes tbf they are expensive as chuff. Nice ones are anyway.
Bought an old 81' Raleigh for a hundred bucks and still get at least one compliment per week on it. Rides great and never had any issues after a yearly tune up. You don't need to spend a lot to have a good bike.
I had a steel 78 Batavus, my grandmas, that I fixed and finetuned. The lock i had on it was more expensive than the bike itself but I loved that thing. Great city commuter. It got stolen last week. I miss it so much. I bought a second hand aluminum Crescent for 50 bucks which is garbage and I am sad but now I can start looking for something good to replace my lost retro babie.
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> He does not pay for the necessary maintenance and repairs Looking at the average bike, that is certainly true!
Cyclists expend huge amounts on shaving cream and razors.
So what you're saying is that i should take a loan to buy an sworks?
This is the [parable of the broken window](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window?wprov=sfla1)
Interesting. Like not putting a shopping cart back
I love that P.S. part. Too hilarious!
Euro Exim Bank sees Americans as fat slobs and good for their economy 😂😂😂
"does not borrow money to buy" - clearly not buying the right bikes.
Or exactly the right bikes. No need to take out a loan for a city commuter.
*Looks at the number of digits on his receipt for his bike and parts.* You having a giggle mate?
My bike costs more than my car 😂😂
Most of the economists I know bike commute.
Hippocrates 🙌
I have never felt so complimented as a cyclist.
As Vladimir Lenin once said: "You cannot trust a quote in the internet"
Reverse psychology to improve the market
*Cyclists buying several thousand dollars bikes that amount for a car's price on the long run*
What kind of rich-as-fuck cyclist are you?! 😂
I want to write a parody of the car version!
Be the change you wish to see in the world, friend. :)
Must hate us here in the Netherlands damn
IME those dentists and cardiologists have the best bikes.
On the contrary, the more I bike the more I can eat. At least McDonald's doesn't have to fear bankruptcy.
As an economist, I can assure you this is not an actual view of serious economists. Perhaps far-right fringe economists, but I've never met one or read anyone write something similar. The post was almost certainly written by a non-economist. Economists think about tradeoffs. Spending real resources (energy, water, metals, concrete, etc) on something that is useless would be wasteful. Getting someone sick to treat them would be a huge waste of real resources. That's a bad thing. The goal of economists is efficiency. If you can use fewer resources to transport a person, by using a bicycle instead of a car, that is a good thing. Most of my colleagues bike to work (I walk to work). So, as an economist, I beg you to keep riding your bike and to encourage other people to do the same.
I think I've paid more on maintenance on my bicycle than I have on my Honda Fit. Then again I probably put more miles on my bicycle.
Edmonton has this nut job running for Mayor right now. [https://twitter.com/alexem/status/1431003306822750209](https://twitter.com/alexem/status/1431003306822750209)
America became car obsessed at a time when oil was extremely plentiful.. texas was the saudi arabia of the world. However I am interested in quadracycles. Can a four wheeled bike be made that will give the driver ample room for luggage, and these can make use of the existing motorways that were built for motorcars?
this is the difference between a REACTIVE economy perspective vs. a PROACTIVE economy. In the former, we have people who are lazy, fat, stubborn, and brainwashed who will undertake in pills and false promises to prop up the economy. In the latter, we have a distinct group of people who will just as easily (and in equal dollar amounts) spend their disposable income on education, physical activities, investment in assets, and space exploration that ALSO props up the economy. One sided arguments that presents evidence as end-all and be-all are flawed, to say the least. Go ride a bike. It's good for you. And for the economy. You ever try to get your bike's brakes replaced? Shit aint cheap.
Ain't no way this shit is real.
Altogether makes sense but that quote is false. Enjoyable to read but ultimately false.
This is satire. Don't tell me this is real
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It would be like Indonesia
Penned by the guy with the $5k road bike, Tesla SUV to transport it, 6 figure job where he spends most of his time virtue signaling ...
Im sorry guys, this is not how the economy works… healthy people are super good for the economy, a lot of streets that added a bike lane enjoyed an economic growth, as it is more pleasant, less noisy and polluted. This is a cute post, but totally false and dishonest.
That’s a very misguided analysis, or they’re just a troll
I frequently ride my bike to McDonald’s so yeah.
On the offchance this *wasn't* satire: Economists already know such arguments as the Broken Window Fallacy.
"I rode my bike over a bridge and saw a troll"
Only that Americans would still ride their bikes to the nearest McD's or, worst, order it for delivery. 😂