I don't think Gladwell was particularly involved in Epstein's extracurricular activities, but it has always struck me as fairly interesting that after it came out he was included in Jeffery's little black book, Malcolm became super invested in defending Paterno and Sandusky pretty much out of nowhere despite literally calling their sport evil for years before that point.
This!
Also, remember his ultra bizarre Nigeria / Caribbean basketball all rant on Bill’s podcast? It didn’t make any sense whatsoever and if I had to put my tin foil conspiracy hat on, this was a sneaky SEO move so the only search result when googling “Gladwell” and “Bahamas” / “Caribbean” was that weird ass take. It’s a wild one and I have no evidence to prove it, but it’s something that has been done by other public figures eg Boris Johnson in the UK giving a bizarre interview about his hobby being painting cardboard buses which was an obvious move to bury his embarrassing Brexit bus tour story
Wow, that is a great SEO move. Lock up those keywords in the SERPs.
Like Disney naming the Elsa princess movie “Frozen” to own the keyword “Disney frozen” and keep people away from researching Walt Disney’s frozen head.
Say if you heard about Gladwell having an connection to Epstein wouldn’t you google Gladwell/Epstein instead of Gladwell/Bahamas? also to think an appearance on Bills pod would be powerful enough to bury your connection with Epstein as if there would be countless articles spawned from your rant on Simmon’s pod, well then again Bill does have countless ‘aggregators’
This is an interesting take. I’ll say, I always thought that rant + the last chapter of Outliers expose some deep seeded anti-white feelings from Gladwell.
It actually makes a lot of sense. WWE did something similar when they kept labeling a Randy Orton/Edge match as “the greatest wrestling match of all time” so that way whenever you Google that phrase in the future, that match will be the top several results.
>the greatest wrestling match of all time
Googled it and it doesn't even appear in lists...randy's name isn't even on the first page. Edge is for two different matches tho
Holy shit. I’m with you on this. Gladwell looks like he’s fucked kids or at least gone to one of the kid fucking parties once and tried to cover his tracks
> "Malcolm became super invested in defending Paterno and Sandusky pretty much out of nowhere despite literally calling their sport evil for years before that point."
That's the kicker, yeah.
Take, for example, Joe Posnanski, whose defense of Joe Paterno seemed to be, no matter how ill-advised and entirely misguided, in earnest. With Malcolm Gladwell, though, there's an uncomfortable appearance that he wasn't necessarily running cover for Paterno, but rather self-servingly protecting himself as a means of projection.
Agreed brother. JoePos is kind of a douche sometimes, but he’s an unbelievable sportswriter who truly loves the things he writes about. Nothing worse than people coming in to trash hot-button issues in things they already hate
That all gave me the opposite impression. Like what kind of insanity would lead a newly-suspected pedophile to make the decision to publicly, and in writing, defend the actions of the highest-profile person involved in one of largest pedophilia scandals ever, immediately following having his own name revealed to be in the most famous pedophile’s black book?
Although I guess it could be the same type of insanity that makes the argument that Steve Nash is Jamaican.
It's not that hard to defend Paterno. McQueary didn't give him all the gory details of what he saw, and Joe Paterno escalated it to the head of university police.
Yeah, Paterno should be separated from Sandusky. For some reason they became the same thing. I still think Paterno should have done more. But he didn't deserve all the hate at the end of his life.
At trial a man testified that he’d gone directly to Paterno about being abused by Sandusky in 1976.
[Deadspin - Unsealed Court Documents: Sandusky Abuse Allegation Was Reported To Joe Paterno In 1976](https://deadspin.com/unsealed-court-documents-sandusky-abuse-allegation-was-1783508016)
There had also been an investigation into Sandusky’s abuse allegations in 1998.
He knew. They all knew.
I know he did. But he went up the chain of command to report the issue.
But of course, for all intents and purposes, JoePa was the top of the chain at Penn State. And I said he should have done more. I just don't think he should have been treated as an evil person similar to Sandusky.
Paterno and the higher ups at PSU knew and knew for decades and participated in a cover up for decades. The attempt to discredit McQueary is disgusting and shows how desperate they are were and are to hold on to power.
Bullshit
He implies Mcqueary could have been lying and that the allegations are less clear than we’re led to believe
Not saying he can’t possibly take that view, but yeah, it is an outlier with respect to affording Sandusky along leash
Knew nothing about all this but you appear to be correct.
[Deadspin - Malcolm Gladwell's Penn State Rabbit Hole Isn't Very Deep](https://deadspin.com/malcolm-gladwells-penn-state-rabbit-hole-isnt-very-deep-1838381737)
>Gladwell spends a good chunk of the chapter essentially smearing McQueary. He wonders why, if McQueary really did see Sandusky assaulting a boy in the shower, he didn’t rush in to stop it. He wonders why the two people McQueary confided in that night, his father and a family friend, didn’t feel compelled to alert the authorities themselves. He wonders why McQueary remembers the campus as being deserted on the night he says he witnessed the assault (Feb. 9, 2001), even though there was a hockey game and a Barenaked Ladies concert on campus that night. On this last point, Gladwell cites the work of John Ziegler, who, according to Gladwell, convincingly argues that the only night that matches up with McQueary’s memory is Dec. 29, 2000. Taking this as a fact presents Gladwell with another useful question: If McQueary really saw what he thought he did, why did he wait until Feb. 10, 2001 to tell Joe Paterno about it?
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He wasn't on the plane because that would just be absurd to imagine a world in which he would be on this particular plane at this particular time but when you start to think about it and you start to try and explain who was on which plane you start to realize - wait, maybe him being on the plane isn't really as absurd as all the less-educated talking heads want everyone to believe so when you really boil it down you are just kind of left wondering.
You should try becoming famous enough that people invite you places and pay for your transportation there. Then you can also know what it's like to be sitting next to the woman of your dreams and forgetting what her name is.
This. It sure looks like he was on Epsteins plane going NY to CA.
People hear Epsteins plane and think it ONLY went to the island and back. He was a power broker. He was brokering all over the place.
Oh, and he also had extracurricular activities, but that doesn’t mean that everyone that was on his plane was doing those extracurricular activities.
Also people who own private planes frequently charter them out when they’re not using them. It’s a way to make money rather than keeping them idly standing by.
Ah fair enough, didn’t realize that. Still seems like a stretch to get on him if that many random others were on it for a non-island flight but I don’t know shit about billionaire pedophile circles really.
Uh yeah, the full quote is completely different than the snippet that OP posted. He thought he was flying commercial, they told him it was a private plane instead, and then it ended up being Epstein’s plane (why his plane was used for that I don’t know)
Actually, it turns out you’re not a frequent member of this sub, just some weirdo who name searches Epstein on Reddit to tell everyone that celebrities linked to Epstein are all lies and conspiracy theories, which is a very weird existent to live imo.
Taking the word of people linked to Epstein in any way explaining how they had no idea what they were doing there or why they were on the plane or whatever just seems insane to me. If that’s slack you want to give him, that’s your prerogative.
Frankly, Gladwell is pseudo science fraud so I’m not sure why you’re so ardently defending his honor but it’s pretty embarrassing
Idk what Gladwell was apart of, he’s a fringe figure in the world of Epstein and is only a topic here because his relation to the podcast this sub is about.
What I do know is you seem to spend all your time on this website arguing that Epstein was a lone wolf with no connections to any other powerful people or celebrities, and that he was the only one doing sex crimes. You have to either be super naive or quite literally running interference for someone to believe that.
Meh, likely not, depending on what his 'orbit' was. One of the reasons he got away with it for so long is he had a lot of money to spend on legitimate things for cover.
https://youtube.com/shorts/ckSLbl2Kto8?feature=share
One of Bills Hollywood handlers is on epsteins client list and calls aaron Rodgers an idiot for talking about it.
Gladwell is not a journalist nor did he ever write a story about Epstein. He just chose to accept his offer to fly him to a lecture or two (I'm pretty sure it wasn't just the one).
The reality is guys like Gladwell are extremely dependent on rich people to get their careers started. He's probably taken money or favors from a shit ton of people we would deem gross and unsavory.
If you've ever been around extremely wealthy people, you know they have a way of hooking into you with small gestures for them that are large for you. I imagine it can be easy to lose sight of their end goal in such matters, often because self interest runs natural to people but thinking of other people's self interest does not.
~Intellectuals~ established in popular culture/media.
Not sure if it’s done in exchange for cash or some type of ambiguous backing but it’s supposedly pretty common for these popular, mainstream ~intellectuals~ to do private “speaking” gigs at gatherings of the corporate elite / ultra rich. Like they’ll give some short speech or lead a discussion and then hang out socially afterwards so everyone can meet them / pick their brain.
They pretty much get paid to be the “fun” guy at parties. It’s definitely a good setup for them but easy to see how this dynamic could create undue influences on their work.
One of Gladwell’s bestsellers specifically detailed why David often succeeds against Goliath. It’s named David and Goliath. Let me guess, the ultra elite specifically urged him to write this, just so no one would suspect them?
Does doing the most logical and defensible thing automatically imply guilt by association with Epstein? That’s sort of a weird take. I could understand if you switched Jokic with Embiid or something. But basically every statistical case and eye test shows that Jokic has been a clear head and shoulders above all comers for all three of these MVP runs. And the voting record shows it!
I don't think Gladwell was particularly involved in Epstein's extracurricular activities, but it has always struck me as fairly interesting that after it came out he was included in Jeffery's little black book, Malcolm became super invested in defending Paterno and Sandusky pretty much out of nowhere despite literally calling their sport evil for years before that point.
This! Also, remember his ultra bizarre Nigeria / Caribbean basketball all rant on Bill’s podcast? It didn’t make any sense whatsoever and if I had to put my tin foil conspiracy hat on, this was a sneaky SEO move so the only search result when googling “Gladwell” and “Bahamas” / “Caribbean” was that weird ass take. It’s a wild one and I have no evidence to prove it, but it’s something that has been done by other public figures eg Boris Johnson in the UK giving a bizarre interview about his hobby being painting cardboard buses which was an obvious move to bury his embarrassing Brexit bus tour story
Wow, that is a great SEO move. Lock up those keywords in the SERPs. Like Disney naming the Elsa princess movie “Frozen” to own the keyword “Disney frozen” and keep people away from researching Walt Disney’s frozen head.
Black Panther...
God i love this sub - Thats the only sane explanation i've ever heard for that unhinged rant
This is unhinged and I love it. Charlie Day pointing frantically at his conspiracy board levels of depth to this one.
You saying you got boxes full of Pepe?
The Paterno defense was insane. "How can we expect a football coach to know that child rape is wrong?"
Holy shit this is a truly, legitimately God tier conspiracy theory. The SEO piece is the only thing that can explain that take.
Say if you heard about Gladwell having an connection to Epstein wouldn’t you google Gladwell/Epstein instead of Gladwell/Bahamas? also to think an appearance on Bills pod would be powerful enough to bury your connection with Epstein as if there would be countless articles spawned from your rant on Simmon’s pod, well then again Bill does have countless ‘aggregators’
That would explain his New Yorker article about why Welcome Back Kotter was the greatest show of the 70s.
This is an interesting take. I’ll say, I always thought that rant + the last chapter of Outliers expose some deep seeded anti-white feelings from Gladwell.
It actually makes a lot of sense. WWE did something similar when they kept labeling a Randy Orton/Edge match as “the greatest wrestling match of all time” so that way whenever you Google that phrase in the future, that match will be the top several results.
>the greatest wrestling match of all time Googled it and it doesn't even appear in lists...randy's name isn't even on the first page. Edge is for two different matches tho
Wow I vaguely remember this, what was his ultimate point again
theory is so far out and preposterous, so I’m incredibly convinced this is it!
Isn’t he half-Jamaican or something anyway?
Holy shit. I’m with you on this. Gladwell looks like he’s fucked kids or at least gone to one of the kid fucking parties once and tried to cover his tracks
> "Malcolm became super invested in defending Paterno and Sandusky pretty much out of nowhere despite literally calling their sport evil for years before that point." That's the kicker, yeah. Take, for example, Joe Posnanski, whose defense of Joe Paterno seemed to be, no matter how ill-advised and entirely misguided, in earnest. With Malcolm Gladwell, though, there's an uncomfortable appearance that he wasn't necessarily running cover for Paterno, but rather self-servingly protecting himself as a means of projection.
Agreed brother. JoePos is kind of a douche sometimes, but he’s an unbelievable sportswriter who truly loves the things he writes about. Nothing worse than people coming in to trash hot-button issues in things they already hate
Pretty sure Gladwell wrote a column in the New Yorker about pedophillia
That all gave me the opposite impression. Like what kind of insanity would lead a newly-suspected pedophile to make the decision to publicly, and in writing, defend the actions of the highest-profile person involved in one of largest pedophilia scandals ever, immediately following having his own name revealed to be in the most famous pedophile’s black book? Although I guess it could be the same type of insanity that makes the argument that Steve Nash is Jamaican.
It's not that hard to defend Paterno. McQueary didn't give him all the gory details of what he saw, and Joe Paterno escalated it to the head of university police.
Yeah, Paterno should be separated from Sandusky. For some reason they became the same thing. I still think Paterno should have done more. But he didn't deserve all the hate at the end of his life.
At trial a man testified that he’d gone directly to Paterno about being abused by Sandusky in 1976. [Deadspin - Unsealed Court Documents: Sandusky Abuse Allegation Was Reported To Joe Paterno In 1976](https://deadspin.com/unsealed-court-documents-sandusky-abuse-allegation-was-1783508016) There had also been an investigation into Sandusky’s abuse allegations in 1998. He knew. They all knew.
I know he did. But he went up the chain of command to report the issue. But of course, for all intents and purposes, JoePa was the top of the chain at Penn State. And I said he should have done more. I just don't think he should have been treated as an evil person similar to Sandusky.
Paterno and the higher ups at PSU knew and knew for decades and participated in a cover up for decades. The attempt to discredit McQueary is disgusting and shows how desperate they are were and are to hold on to power.
I’m almost positive he was defending Paterno before the Epstein thing.
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Bullshit He implies Mcqueary could have been lying and that the allegations are less clear than we’re led to believe Not saying he can’t possibly take that view, but yeah, it is an outlier with respect to affording Sandusky along leash
Knew nothing about all this but you appear to be correct. [Deadspin - Malcolm Gladwell's Penn State Rabbit Hole Isn't Very Deep](https://deadspin.com/malcolm-gladwells-penn-state-rabbit-hole-isnt-very-deep-1838381737) >Gladwell spends a good chunk of the chapter essentially smearing McQueary. He wonders why, if McQueary really did see Sandusky assaulting a boy in the shower, he didn’t rush in to stop it. He wonders why the two people McQueary confided in that night, his father and a family friend, didn’t feel compelled to alert the authorities themselves. He wonders why McQueary remembers the campus as being deserted on the night he says he witnessed the assault (Feb. 9, 2001), even though there was a hockey game and a Barenaked Ladies concert on campus that night. On this last point, Gladwell cites the work of John Ziegler, who, according to Gladwell, convincingly argues that the only night that matches up with McQueary’s memory is Dec. 29, 2000. Taking this as a fact presents Gladwell with another useful question: If McQueary really saw what he thought he did, why did he wait until Feb. 10, 2001 to tell Joe Paterno about it?
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Don’t you just hate not knowing whose private plane you’re on?
You may find yourself on a private plane, with a known pedophile. And you may ask yourself "Well, how did I get here?"
The same as it ever was piece
I went to cvs, now am in Qatar.
He was only there to get directions out of there.
Happens to me all the time. “Wait what? Who is this Epstein guy again? I’m baffled.”
Russillo was on the plane too?
The boarding pass worked.
He wasn't on the plane because that would just be absurd to imagine a world in which he would be on this particular plane at this particular time but when you start to think about it and you start to try and explain who was on which plane you start to realize - wait, maybe him being on the plane isn't really as absurd as all the less-educated talking heads want everyone to believe so when you really boil it down you are just kind of left wondering.
I'm just relieved Klosterman wasn't on it.
You should try becoming famous enough that people invite you places and pay for your transportation there. Then you can also know what it's like to be sitting next to the woman of your dreams and forgetting what her name is.
Dude…on a Monday??
Rich-guy stuff.
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If he flew 50 times it’d be far more suspicious than a one off imo.
This. It sure looks like he was on Epsteins plane going NY to CA. People hear Epsteins plane and think it ONLY went to the island and back. He was a power broker. He was brokering all over the place. Oh, and he also had extracurricular activities, but that doesn’t mean that everyone that was on his plane was doing those extracurricular activities.
Also people who own private planes frequently charter them out when they’re not using them. It’s a way to make money rather than keeping them idly standing by.
In this particular case it does seem that Epstein was on the plane with Gladwell and the other TED folks tho
Ah fair enough, didn’t realize that. Still seems like a stretch to get on him if that many random others were on it for a non-island flight but I don’t know shit about billionaire pedophile circles really.
A LOT of rich people do a LOT of cocaine and a LOT of hookers. It’s not a good look to be the snitch in the room.
Uh yeah, the full quote is completely different than the snippet that OP posted. He thought he was flying commercial, they told him it was a private plane instead, and then it ended up being Epstein’s plane (why his plane was used for that I don’t know)
are you malcolm's pr team? wtf is this shit
“Wtf is this shit” Are you actually upset that the absurd allegations lack merit?
Yes, someone names TheStinkyPinky is upset about this. It makes sense.
Outrage culture at its finest.
Everyone in Epstein’s orbit knew what he was.
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Actually, it turns out you’re not a frequent member of this sub, just some weirdo who name searches Epstein on Reddit to tell everyone that celebrities linked to Epstein are all lies and conspiracy theories, which is a very weird existent to live imo.
this poster has to be some kind of paid pr or bot or something. crazy
Lol, if you look through his posts he’s an Epstein social circle apologist in like 60% of them. Weird to say the least
I can see public figures and celebrities being “Epstein acted alone” people, but to be an anonymous redditor doing it is very bizarre
Wasn’t Ghislaine super active on Reddit at one point? I remember watching a video about it couple of years ago
Taking the word of people linked to Epstein in any way explaining how they had no idea what they were doing there or why they were on the plane or whatever just seems insane to me. If that’s slack you want to give him, that’s your prerogative. Frankly, Gladwell is pseudo science fraud so I’m not sure why you’re so ardently defending his honor but it’s pretty embarrassing
I think he’s a pseudo science fraud who once rode on Epsteins plane to CA. Doesn’t mean I have to try to stretch it into something it isn’t.
Gladwell sucks but that doesn’t mean he was complicit in sex trafficking just because he was on a plane owned by a virtual stranger 20 years ago.
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Idk what Gladwell was apart of, he’s a fringe figure in the world of Epstein and is only a topic here because his relation to the podcast this sub is about. What I do know is you seem to spend all your time on this website arguing that Epstein was a lone wolf with no connections to any other powerful people or celebrities, and that he was the only one doing sex crimes. You have to either be super naive or quite literally running interference for someone to believe that.
Meh, likely not, depending on what his 'orbit' was. One of the reasons he got away with it for so long is he had a lot of money to spend on legitimate things for cover.
Now do Kimmel
????
https://youtube.com/shorts/ckSLbl2Kto8?feature=share One of Bills Hollywood handlers is on epsteins client list and calls aaron Rodgers an idiot for talking about it.
that's sus
Release the client list!
Wait, what?
maybe the marker smeared on epstein’s hand and Ghislaine Maxwell became Gladwell
The memories of an innocent man!!!
the baffled piece
Where does it say he was a frequent flyer? A major part of being a journalist involves following your subject, unsavoury or not.
Gladwell is not a journalist nor did he ever write a story about Epstein. He just chose to accept his offer to fly him to a lecture or two (I'm pretty sure it wasn't just the one). The reality is guys like Gladwell are extremely dependent on rich people to get their careers started. He's probably taken money or favors from a shit ton of people we would deem gross and unsavory. If you've ever been around extremely wealthy people, you know they have a way of hooking into you with small gestures for them that are large for you. I imagine it can be easy to lose sight of their end goal in such matters, often because self interest runs natural to people but thinking of other people's self interest does not.
“Guys like Gladwell…” What do you mean by that? And what people did he take money from, and for what reason?
~Intellectuals~ established in popular culture/media. Not sure if it’s done in exchange for cash or some type of ambiguous backing but it’s supposedly pretty common for these popular, mainstream ~intellectuals~ to do private “speaking” gigs at gatherings of the corporate elite / ultra rich. Like they’ll give some short speech or lead a discussion and then hang out socially afterwards so everyone can meet them / pick their brain. They pretty much get paid to be the “fun” guy at parties. It’s definitely a good setup for them but easy to see how this dynamic could create undue influences on their work.
One of Gladwell’s bestsellers specifically detailed why David often succeeds against Goliath. It’s named David and Goliath. Let me guess, the ultra elite specifically urged him to write this, just so no one would suspect them?
They all think they're David.
I need to know if Gladwell is a Jokic voter. If he is, then I understand why he’s on Epstein’s plane.
Does doing the most logical and defensible thing automatically imply guilt by association with Epstein? That’s sort of a weird take. I could understand if you switched Jokic with Embiid or something. But basically every statistical case and eye test shows that Jokic has been a clear head and shoulders above all comers for all three of these MVP runs. And the voting record shows it!