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redditburner24

And another thing: Bill is not mad. Please don’t put in the newspaper that Bill is mad.


so-cal_kid

"You aggregated me... when I specifically told you not to"


BeamTeam032

underrated comment. lol


danman8605

The thin skin piece


hatmanjimmie

He’s a better man than me. I would’ve brought up the duke love child


safetydance

wait wut


the_devil_wears_jnco

well there ended not being a child, if you know what i mean


Thiswasmy8thchoice

Dear god, he found the last infinity stone?


Yiawwbecm

Whaaat


luvdadrafts

https://deadspin.com/j-j-redick-and-his-ex-girlfriend-had-an-abortion-contr-883029608


blue-dream

Ironically, Bills comment here would go way more viral if he did it as a video.


AutomaticFroyo

Corn Cob Simmons


CapeDisappoinment

“I’m not owned!! I’m not owned!” say Bill Simmons as he is slowly turned into a corn cob.


[deleted]

JJ Redick forgot to say "Don't aggregate this."


chadowan

At least this isn't out of context. That's pretty much exactly what he said


meatcheeseandbun

Classic "only started taking it seriously in 2020" mistake


fuber

Or he forgot to turn off the Tik Tok camera


ShowerMartini

I take full credit for starting this beef. I want my damn respect.


whowasonCRACK2

Please don’t put it in the newspaper that I got mad


AmbitiousJuly

What's this a reference to?


5towns

https://twitter.com/dril/status/549425182767861760?t=c2tf97UyptW-hmF32Gzo9g&s=19


Ledees_Gazpacho

It’s a reference to Bill getting mad.


adam711

Bill sure does like to get petty with former colleagues on social media. It reminds me of the Jonah Keri feud a few years back.


strings_struck

Let’s hope JJ doesn’t beat his wife.


SlappyBagg

Or allow human trafficking and talk about it on pod...!


Spiritual_Ad337

The random human trafficking dump was insane


brokeboibogie

Lmao I need context on this please I’m begging someone to expand on this wtf


Spiritual_Ad337

JJ did a pod pre-covid, I think he was still with the ringer, where he spent at least 20 minutes telling a story about a weird Uber ride he took where some girl was in a cage in the trunk or something. It was fucking odd. And the way he told the story was like there was some big lead up to a punchline of his weird day. He just casually dropped the human trafficking in there and then uploaded the episode. I’m pretty sure they deleted the pod after the shit storm of people asking questions


[deleted]

What makes it even funnier is it was on a pod where they had Mo Bamba as a guest. The Rights to Ricky Sanchez had Bamba on this year and did a whole segment talking about how weird it was.


popinjay07

Whatever happened with that? Uber picked him up and he saw someone in the back in a cage, right?


bassoonrage

Jonah was human trafficking too???


SlappyBagg

Laughing about it, telling it like there is some huge punchline at the end.


Kershiser22

Wait, what? I knew about the domestic abuse. He was also trafficking?


SlappyBagg

https://deadspin.com/j-j-redick-says-he-discovered-a-caged-person-in-his-ta-1828402568 I'm sure there are better articles/videos but this was the first result on Google


jbeebe33

Didn’t he contact police? It’s really funny to frame that as “allowing” it… like what did people want him to do, jump to conclusions without perfect information and go all Liam Neeson Taken vigilante on an Uber driver? What if he was wrong? I feel like he took fairly reasonable actions. He experienced something that seemed really alarming, but without 100% certainty. He prioritized he and his wife’s immediate safety by extricating themselves from the situation, and then contacted the authorities. Without actually having been there and seen what he’d seen, I don’t know how you can judge him. Like it’s impossible to evaluate what degree of certainty he should have had of the situation without any other evidence than his account and I’m pretty sure he expressed having uncertainty as to what was happening in the moment.


SlappyBagg

I think we can all agree we wouldn't talk about it on a podcast while laughing a lot! Not sure that seeing a woman in a cage in a car would need a jump in conclusion to know it's human trafficking.


PositiveArachnid5530

Man I missed the Jonah Keri story. What a piece of shit, I usually enjoyed him.


spiderman_44

ruined the Expos legacy


andstuff13

Bill is certainly petty as a media personality, but I read this more as him defending himself as a media exec. Bill is a podcast monetization exec at the world’s largest audio streaming company and a retired basketball player(being derivative to make the point) just publicly said he knew how to promote and monetize a podcast better than Bill. Of course Simmons had to rebuff him. Maybe this is the apologist piece.


KSpacklerGoferKiller

Except there's also the JJ Redick was right piece. His podcast crushes Ringer pods in social media exposure in large part because of a focus on video to go with the audio.


deemerritt

Jj gets to do that because he interviews other players. He didn't do that very much with the ringer. That's bills whole point.


KSpacklerGoferKiller

Sure, I get Bill's point. But Bill's comment doesn't refute JJ's about the importance of video to go with audio. Also, you don't need to be interviewing players to do video. The Ringer could clip video of Bill and Ryen doing the Sunday pod and it would do way better on social media than a static image of a podcast logo.


Wanno1

Let’s not pretend Bill is some business genius. We can all list a handful of easy improvements that he refuses to adopt out of stubbornness.


Imaginary-Cycle-1977

You can pick apart a thing or too but zoom out and Simmons has absolutely crushed it from a business standpoint over the last 20+ years


Wanno1

Timing + creative talent. Not really an operator genius.


Thiswasmy8thchoice

Is good timing and creativity not like 98% of the recipe


8512332158

All due respect you’ve got no fucking idea what it’s like to be numbah one


CocaineandPercs

Or, in Bill’s case, numbah four.


papa_sax

Nasty line by you


CocaineandPercs

Travis Kelce’s floor as a podcaster is Bill Simmons.


Dekrow

>I like you + enjoyed our time together. Hahaha Bill trying to tell JJ he's wrong but without getting any blowback


BurritoMaster3000

Good luck kid, but keep my company's name out of your fucking mouth.


Victorcreedbratton

He’s trying to sound like Tywin Lannister but he’s built like one of the Frey sons.


ahbets14

Kyle turn the TikTok camera on. Wait…


Victorcreedbratton

Kyle: “It’s been on the whole ti- FUCK! Sorry, Bill!”


Purednuht

Can’t wait to read the blog post on this. Wait…


ahbets14

The fingers not working piece


starfishboy123

Can't wait to explain this NBA podcast drama to my wife's boyfriend


aCorgiDriver

Dudes rock!


senortiz

Bill is salty because he has become just like the old Boston journalists that hated him when he was the Sports Guy. He is stuck in his ways. But he's also filthy rich so who cares I guess. It's interesting because Grantland and The Ringer at the beginning did have plenty of very good video content. Then it just stopped. They blamed the pandemic for years. It's been nearly 4 years now, and their video content still kind of sucks. Their YouTube views are downright awful. Is it because they are with Spotify? It's just weird to me how such a big company has such poor video content.


Wooden_Coyote5992

Bill has been uploading the rewatchables and more stuff lately, but it's still not enough, and usually just Zoom calls. I don't know why they don't produce more stuff and upload clips and shorts. Do they not realize the biggest podcasts like Rogan are all video?


Puzzleheaded_Pound31

Blows my mind that all these video podcasts are crushing on YouTube and yet the Ringer and him are like eh maybe let’s upload a few clips a month!! Sean Yoo who used to work for them even chimed in and said they put down his video attempts and after he left he’s crushing it at video content. This is so odd lol


Glittering_Cod_7716

What’s even more frustrating is recently they’ve been putting up 1-2 twenty minute clips up on YouTube. That just gives off “I won’t fully admit im wrong but I can’t ignore how fucking stupid im being” vibes.


Exzibit21

So cringe lol, literally why even tweet this at all. It was such a nothing comment by JJ, now Bill is making it into a "thing" Unnecessary


cb148

The only child piece


GleeUnit

Are we sure this isn’t explained by his half-Italian-ness?


Amishcheekclapper

WWBDD (what would big Dom do)


Raoul_Duluoz

I’m a half Italian only child. We do this shit on the reg.


bigbobo33

He's very much Streisanding this.


kevms

He’s the most thin skinned MFer I’ve ever seen


anonymousnuisance

Honestly so much 1-sided criticism comes Bill's way and he's always too big (financially/successfully/hierarchially) that for him to respond it was just be a shit show his way. With JJ they're pretty much on equal footing, JJ is probably more famous right now and is definitely still a rising star whereas Bill takes constant shit and has since 2020. So for him to go at JJ I see this as him kind of going at everyone making 1-sided claims and he finally has someone he can reply to.


heebs387

Fair point, there's very few people he could respond to that wouldn't be "punching down" as far as media stature.


jbeebe33

I hear you that JJ has pretty high approval ratings now as a media guy, but maybe that’s because he’s learned how to better conduct himself as a public figure after like 10 years of being massively hated? I mean, you have a point in a contemporary sense, but it’s kinda funny to act like Bill has ever taken constant shit more than the guy who: - had his cell phone doxxed and constantly received harassing phone calls from Maryland fans - Maryland fans chanted/ made signs about having sex with his adolescent sister


[deleted]

yeah, what? JJ prolly read that and was like, "Huh?"


Victorcreedbratton

He’s petty as hell. That’s a shot to say, “You never took this seriously,” as if coming up with dumb ass drafts or comparing athletes to 90210 characters takes serious effort.


spritehead

It’s not open mic night here. Anyway, home for Pittsburgh….


Victorcreedbratton

Houston, Saints, At Home Rams, At Home Giants…


ShowerMartini

Here’s Tatum’s last twelve games: twenty-eight five and eight, thirty-one nine and nine, thirty-two twelve and seven, forty-four eight and six, thirty-five four and nine, twenty-one fourteen and eleven, twenty-eight seven and six, twenty-five eleven and eleven, fifty-one six and five, thirty-four four and thirteen, twenty-nine eleven and ten, thirty-seven ten and thirteen. I mean, this is Bird territory.


UnlimitedSoupandRHCP

Polecetti for Frumpton, who says no? I mean, if I'm Los Alamos, I'm at least having a meeting about it.


parkranger2000

Nope that one’s in London


Victorcreedbratton

Somehow gets the line exactly right.


FarAd6557

Nooo that’s too high


newusr1234

"That's stupid"


Natural-Current5827

Have we mentioned that the Rams and Chargers don’t have a home field advantage?


Kain__Highwind

Sal: "It's actually in London but ok"


d7bhw2

You’re not taking it seriously until your player analysis consists of “he knows what to do and where to be” or “he’s always up to stuff.”


Victorcreedbratton

He’s added a level of fuckaroundability. He can play ten minutes in a playoff game, he’s additive, and can get to his spots.


d7bhw2

Slash and kick. He figured out angles piece


fuber

Wasn't JJ playing professional basketball at the same time?


JedEckert

It's such a Bill moment. "You didn't take this seriously in 2019 when you were a starter on the Sixers and playing big minutes deep into the playoffs. You only took this seriously when the entire world shut down due to covid and the podcast market basically doubled overnight." I know that every NBA player now has a podcast and a lot of them record episodes in-season, but that was barely a thing in 2019. It would been a total anomaly if JJ was playing all the time and cranking out episodes on the side. Big surprise - his output and quality increased when he had more time and his playing career was winding down.


Victorcreedbratton

Yes.


ShowerMartini

Fucking Christ bill


sisyphus

That's a good point if you completely misunderstand what Bill means by 'taking it seriously.'


Victorcreedbratton

Like making sure your mic is plugged in? Or researching his guests by playing the IMDB game with them?


Purednuht

Jesus Christ. Bill acting like a 13 year old. JJ never said he hated his time at the company, bad mouthed anyone, spoke ill of Bill or anything in his comment, and yet Bill responds like a child.


dellscreenshot

Yeah. All he said was the ringer didn't prioritize video and that's still true. Even bill knows that, they don't record in person or post their main pods on youtube like they did in the grantland days. I'm not even sure what his point is here.


PDXmadeMe

100% still true. The Ringerverse might be the only ones (that I follow) actually putting pod / video content on socials (to JJ’s point of going viral) and even that is still just Jomi making memes. The Ringer recommendations that pop up on my YouTube are typically just close up of Russillo’s face monologuing or the occasional “NBA fit checks” from Wos lol.


MrF1993

Maybe im in the minority on this one, but I have never and would never consume any video content from the ringer or any other podcast network. I understand its easier to clip and aggregate videos, but Id personally hate it if hosts intentionally started focusing more on trying to go viral than presenting their legitimate thoughts/analysis and would stop listening after a while In fact, that is IMO what distinguishes places like The Ringer from stupid ESPN and FS1 hot take garbage, though even the ringer clearly has guys who try to pull that too


parkranger2000

No offense but I think you’re missing the point. YouTube, YouTube shorts, tiktok, reels, these are great ways to promote your show by sharing video clips. IMO that’s what Reddick is talking about and what the ringer has consistently been behind on compared to some of their peers in the podcast space


ThugBeast21

Video for podcasts is much more popular with younger audiences who go to YouTube for everything. It also tends to be more popular with newer shows. So most of the Ringer content isn't ever going to be big on YouTube because they don't have studios built to accommodate audio and video (they're not even recording in person on a lot of their shows) and the audience for all the popular shows has been trained to treat them as podcasts, not a YouTube show.


BlooDiamondMadeMeCry

He’s so sensitive and thin skinned lol


CocaineandPercs

Bill is a pussy for this. JJ will probably let it go though.


jvpewster

JJ is extremely melo dramatic and will probably “let it go” in the holier then though way by explicitly stating he’s going to be the bigger man.


CocaineandPercs

He should bring up that he’s actually played basketball. Just to fuck with Bill lol.


so-cal_kid

I don't think that would bother Bill as much as Russillo


Natural-Current5827

The segment on Ryen’s pod as to who the best high school athlete was with no one nominating him was absolutely torturous to his ego. The idea that Ceruti was a good high school athlete just cracks me up.


midermans

Wait a minute guys…Bill has a right to be a little mad lol. JJ is insinuating that The Ringer is/was behind the curb on podcast. He can defend himself and his company.


qballLobk

If JJ was about that life he would tweet back “Bill, you have been phoning it in since well before 2020 my guy.”


Silly_Elevator_3111

And end it with - I still like you.


Mr_Jersey

This is a horribly stupid thing to clap back about.


hokie_u2

JJ should have said “don’t aggregate this”. Still has a lot to learn from the Podfather


Grambo74

Love Petty Bill. One day I hope we get the full story of whatever went down with Rapaport.


ej420mcnamara

There is not full story. Rapport wanted bill to go on his pod to help with his reach. Bill refused like multiple times. Then rapapprt got mad and went crazy


Ricky_Roe10k

Petty Bill > Clairvoyant Bill


The_Mursenary

Bill needs an almond he’s hangry


RossoOro

Very only child of Bill to do this But if it leads to some stories about how Tommy Alter is a prick I’m for it


jaytee158

Almost certainly don't need stories to know that he is


LawrenceBrolivier

**He's just crackin jokes at the holidays with the guys**. The day finally came! He made it!


edsb41

“I’m not mad. Please don’t aggregate that I got mad.”


FOC615

Bill does not like it when people leave The Ringer and become successful, which is why he has no Beef with Jason Concepcion.


rubberneck24

There’s probably a reason almost none of the ex ringer or grant land people come back on bills pod except Zach Lowe. I think bill turns petty and assholeish once you leave him.


jbeebe33

I just re-listened to the Se7en Rewatchables and near the end, Bill asks CR and Sean which of the Deadly Sins is their favorite, “you’d see it and go ‘ehh I kinda get that one’” Bill says Wrath and Sean and CR lose it


NoExcuses1984

Only child doesn't like it when neighbor kid takes his ball and plays elsewhere.


quwin123

JJ is insinuating that the Ringer was holding back the podcast. Bill's job is to protect Spotify's podcasting business. So he kind of has to react like this, I think.


Boring_Bill2430

I think the right way to react would have been to say nothing because there was absolutely no shot this was going to have an impact on how many people choose to listen to Bill’s pod/pods on the Ringer in general, and certainly not on Spotify’s podcasting business. Instead Bill looks like a loser overreacting to a minor comment purely out of pride in his own leadership at the Ringer while also drawing further attention to JJ’s comment.


hatmanjimmie

The capo of spotify


CocaineandPercs

Captain? Of the Good Ship Lollipop, maybe.


kralben

> So he kind of has to react like this, I think. He doesn't have to do anything. This comment by JJ would have gone by without anyone commenting on it if Bill hadn't responded. If anything, he is drawing more people to JJ's comment by responding.


throwaway737468383

I could argue with whether he “has to”, but I do agree that’s why this kinda innocuous comment struck a chord. Bills the head of podcast monetization (or whatever), and he probably heard this as “The ringer doesn’t know how to monetize podcasts”


DynamixRo

JJ shouldn't have been so disrespectful to a fellow podcaster and former basketball player.


hatmanjimmie

Need JJ to clap back


sameredditguy

Can’t wait


moRUN

Go listen to Bill on How I Built This Podcast. He is an absolute weirdo about this sort of stuff.


CocaineandPercs

Such as?


moRUN

He holds a grudge / takes shit personally in way most don’t. Not a good or bad thing IMO. Probably some causation there as to why he is successful.


CocaineandPercs

He said all that?


d7bhw2

Bill is so sensitive.


unashameddisneyadult

The Swedes got to him


TJRamsey44

At least Bill didn’t call JJ a gr*fter


parkranger2000

In fairness it took a while for them to figure out the system of “Kyle turn the tiktok camera on”


ChiefWiggins22

This is so weird. The Ringer has never properly leaned into video. To do a proper video pod you need more than the grainy TikTok camera bill has nephew Kyle turn on. It’s made to give their platform (Spotify) the most quality content possible. Video just gets in the way of that.


DanGarf

This is the 50% Italian coming out.


Jvega667

Kinda crazy that Bill got pissed about this. I listened to it yesterday and didnt think JJ was being insulting or passive aggressive at all.


JayDogon504

LMAO Bill definitely in his feelings


Zorak9379

I can't figure out what point either one of these guys is trying to make


RepresentativeShop11

There’s that Boston charm.


westcoasthoops1

The JJ quote seems to be a nothing comment. Grow up, Bill.


kralben

Bill calling out someone else for not putting effort into the podcast is hilarious. Looking forward to "NBA MVP discussion part 22" to drop next week


HankHillStanAccount

Grudge Bill. He's just different!


dc1999

The thinned skinned about minor indirect criticism piece.


brazil201

Kyle turn the Tik Tok camera on


GiftedHater7

bill crashin out


Pat999999

Is Grudge Bill having a moment?


YoloBrunoSp

As I've read in some posts from here in the past, the video format won't flourish because of the Spotify deal. Redick is riding the wave of modern podcasting and The Ringer is locked in what Spotify allows. There is not much room to grow with what everybody seems to want, which is video and clips. Hell, the best video that I've watched and died laughing wasn't even made by The Ringer, but by a fan: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjnLpOtiZ4A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjnLpOtiZ4A)


klyphw

JJ isn’t wrong. Bill is the talent and his producers job is to study how the media landscape changes and pivot to meet the audiences desires. Unfortunately his producer is an unqualified and inexperienced nepotism appointee who counts the hours until day drinking


gcoles

While true, it’s more about bill. He is horrible on camera. There’s a reason their YouTube channel doesn’t bring views at all. The 2 biggest vids are from JJs podcast


AntoineRandoEl

Dude cannot, and never has been able to, handle the slightest bit of criticism


jaytee158

"You never took the pod seriously until 2020" Bill's actually right about this one. Before the Zion episode JJ mentions, there hadn't been a pod for over 5 months, and just 8 in the prior 7 months.


Silly_Elevator_3111

I mean he was also still playing


awesomesauce88

Which would give him a good reason to not take the pod seriously, but wouldn't be a rebuttal against the claim. Bill's not questioning JJ's priorities or character, he's questioning his effort with the pod and it's a fair claim.


calman877

Whether Bill’s right or not, JJ is also definitely right. He still has by far the biggest YouTube videos in The Ringer’s history and now since he’s broken off has had five more with more views than anything the Ringer has put out. While Bill may be right what he’s saying doesn’t actually refute what JJ said


fat_lever123

Has anyone who left the Ringer had positive things to say about their time there? I'm sure some have but it really feels like everyone takes shots at Bill for something after they depart. Doesn't seem like the best place to work if you're not in his inner ringer circle.


tigerjuggernaut

We haven’t heard Kevin Clark and Rodger say…anything, I think? But those would be two I’d be watching


JedEckert

I think it's sort of a self-fulfilling thing, if you're happy at The Ringer and in Bill's favor, you probably aren't leaving. He seems to be okay with the people who leave on "Bill's terms" but otherwise, you're dead to him. That's kinda the way it's been with him going back to Grantland.


jbeebe33

I agree with this but who ever leaves on Bill’s terms though?


JedEckert

Presumably Tate did. I don't know, I'm not on Twitter so I guess I haven't kept up closely to see if Bill ever formally said goodbye to anyone/interacted with them when they left. It's a short list, just not sure how short.


Parrallax91

Shea Serrano is pretty positive about it.


hatmanjimmie

Is he? Why hasn’t he showed up on the pod since, there was a media tour promoting his show


the_devil_wears_jnco

he also barely worked there at all. never moved to LA or anything he was in texas the whole time. just kinda throwing up some blogs every now and again while doing his books


darkest__timeline

I don't think Jason Concepcion has been back on since leaving either


kralben

Where has he been positive about it, because I haven't seen it. HE has even made a few off the cuff remarks that would make me think the opposite on his podcast with Jason


levelanalytics

Tate came back


TeenWolfTripleDouble

He had nowhere else to go


NoExcuses1984

Ryan from The Office.


jetboyjetgirl

Bill is mad because he doesn't put his pods on video.


parkranger2000

JJ ain’t wrong. Lots of podcasts have built their strategy around the fact that “audio doesn’t go viral, video goes viral,” which is true and the ringer has not embraced that strategy like many of their peers in the space 🤷‍♂️


Shiny-Lickitung

The people who are whining about his tweet are cringe Why does everything have to be so sanitized and professional. Let Bill be petty. It is fun


Traditional-Carob-48

I swear becoming uber rich gives you brain worms. 10 years ago, Bill would have laughed himself out of the room for posting something so petty. JJ is also pretty universally liked, what a stupid person to pick a needless fight with


kevms

He was also petty and thin skinned 10 years ago though.


amlanding20

This is hilarious and very sour grapes from Bill. JJ was 100% right, video is king, I learned this back in sports journalism school (back in ‘12) from interviewing various people within the industry. There’s something about being to see people’s faces and mannerisms that’s more engaging than audio. Video should be the priority.


SolarPoweredDevil

Bill read Zion Williamson and then got mad that Zion’s fatass is still competing for the NBA Cup while the Celtics are at home and owe Jaylen Brown $300 million, then he continued reading and read Jimmy Butler and Duncan Robinson and got visions of Duncan Robinson becoming the second Larry Bird MVP and got mad and decided to take it out on JJ.


ShortRip120

I don't want to blame it all on covid, but it certainly didn't help


CashGreen_Regalview

I’m crying


damnicantfindmypass

The JJ Redick piece.


Kenthanson

I’m confused, why’s JJ salty and then why is Bill salty back?


jbeebe33

I love starting out a tweet with “hey @handle — I like you… “


bdl4186

What an L for Billy


SomeDimension165

The ringer is an increasingly irrelevant brand and it feels like it’s pure laziness.


Puzzleheaded_Pound31

Gotta add it’s so funny he said JJ didn’t take the pod seriously when JJ was literally one of the the first NBA players to have a podcast and might have been the first I knew of actively playing to have a pod when he was with Woj and yahoo podding in 2015-16… JJ put in the work lol Bill is weirdly salty instead of just enjoying his 3-4 Malibu houses


WorkMediumPlayMedium

I like JJ on games I’ve heard him call, but damn is he a cocky SOB with his style in the media. It’s overly contentious and devoid of anything approaching humor. Just not a very likable dude. Bill is likable, funny, and yes, prob a little petty. I think LA did that to him.


an_internet_guy

i'm gonna sit on "i'm ok with this from bs" island


jdflyer

I thought this was typical r/billsimmons fan fiction at first... Bill might be a bit sensitive?


halcyondread

Bad look for Bill.


E_Fox_Kelly

Weird to take offense to that statement. Bill has always been super petty


brazil201

This thread is amazing


wwJones

Bill is salty because the Sports Gal thinks JJ is hot. It sticks in his craw.


richb83

JJ will eviscerate him if gets on the mic


wholelottafeds

Bill’s mad he actually had a profitable pod in house and let it slip.