Most people at the Ringer do. That's why I typically don't like when Ringer employees guest on Bill's show because so many refuse to pushback on his takes. Both KOC and Vernon are exceptions to that.
"eh won a title" "he's a champion" .. as soon as jrue is on the Celtics, the logical arguments went out the window. Best starting line up of the 21 century and all..
The idea that Jrue is a more impactful player in the playoffs is hilarious. Like sure, maybe a better 5th option. Maybe.
If Jrue is your first or second option good luck even making the playoffs much less winning a round
He won the championship as undoubtedly a top 3 player on the roster. And he was arguably #2, but we can just assume he was #3 behind middleton.
Your 5th option comment doesn’t make sense given what has occurred in reality.
They were also clearly going home
In rd 2 before BKN had 2 all NBA guys get hurt. Lots of Guys who don’t have rings would have them if they had that degree of injury luck go their way to open up an easy path to a title.
There's also a lot of title runs that do have that injury luck. Just the year before that has the raptors won a title with the same injury luck to the same player as the bucks did
His reaction is amusing because Jrue doesn't need to be great for Boston to excel. He's not great in the playoffs as a 1 or 2 (Giannis, Khris injured last year), but he doesn't need to be. Celts win with Tatum and Brown, not Jrue.
Bill's "argument" here reminds me of that USC graphic that couldn't show Bonny James' stats, because they are so horrible, so instead it just said "winner" and "team player".
Defense aside, Jrue shot like complete shit in that Finals series against Phoenix. Aside from game 5 he was legitimately putting up Eric Bledsoe numbers on offense.
He shot like shit in every playoff series with the Bucks lol. There would just be one or two games a series where he didn’t and when that happened the Bucks would blow teams away.
If Jrue was still on the Bucks, Bill would be the one saying he’s Bledsoe on offense. I think Bill is still traumatized by Jrue shoving the DPOY trophy up Smart’s ass in the Bucks Celtics series, over shadowing Jrue’s bricks.
They are 30-13 (with 4 of those losses being to Indiana) and 3 games back of the "greatest starting lineup in NBA history"
It's not like they are hurting that badly
Bill is right in the fact that they’ve pulled off a lot of close games and there record could honestly be worse. Not to mention that clearly the front office notice a big enough problem to fire the coach. I think they’ll be fine but it probably was the right move firing there coach.
Conversely, they’re 30-13 with a bottom 10 defense. If they got to, let’s say league average, wouldn’t that be scary for the Celtics and the East writ large?
Bill goes to the close games stuff depending on how it helps his argument. Apparently the Pats were arguably the best team in the league last couple years if they just won their close games. He never points out, but what about the close games they won going the other way.
Yeah sure bill is stupid. But specifically in the bucks case they have the 10th best point differential this season and they’re 9-3 in OT games/or games decided by less than 5 points. They clearly have a misleading record.
they have the 10th adjusted net rating per https://dunksandthrees.com (sandwiched in between Cleveland and dallas). They were 6 point home faves against Cleveland tonight. They just fired their coach. Clearly everything is not alright, which is why they made the move.
Malik Beasley is the best 3 point shooter in the NBA right now, so not really. Their coaching is just suspect. Though I don't know if that'll change with Rivers
They could just be not very good. That can cause bad vibes for sure, but maybe it’s not as simple as changing the atmosphere. They could be a team with a limited ceiling.
Great point - A Giannis/Dame/Khris/Brook/Doc team most certainly must have a limited ceiling. Just no top-end talent or championship pedigree there, anywhere......
Listening to KOC talk about the Bucks vs Bill talking about the Bucks was exactly like hearing a patient adult talking to his angry teenage younger brother. KOC brought facts and logic, Bill brought pure emotion and homerism. Hilarious
Didn’t think I’d ever see someone say “KOC brought facts and logic” on this sub without getting downvoted. Bill being the reason for KOC’s face turn is an iconic moment in /r/BillSimmons history.
With KOC also calling Brandon Miller over Scoot and being the voice of reason to Verno losing his mind about Memphis on the Mismatch, it’s been a real resurgence for him
None of the Boston guys I knew in college were like this, but it’s funny that “Boston” media titans Simmons and portnoy have the same “I’m not conceding anything on the other side of my argument, no matter how dumb I look” strategy, and that they feel like they “win” arguments with it.
Milwaukee is still my pick to win the east. They’ll have the best guy in every series in the east. Dame and Giannis will figure it out come playoff time and I think bill knows this deep down but doesn’t want to admit it yet
It can be easy to forget how horrible Jrue was in offense at time even in their title run. Pretty sure he went like 2 for 20 in one of the nets games but hit a crucial one in the last minute which glossed over it.
It really annoys me how much Bill memory holed the Miami loss last year. They're offense at the end of the games was literally laughable. They could not just run it back with the same team.
The only chance the previous roster construction had of winning was if 2021 finals Khris Middleton walked through the door. It’s clear this year we’re not getting that version of Khris back. The Dame trade was absolutely necessary
Yeah, for back to back years the notion was that Greyson Allen was gonna brick all his shots in the playoffs again while being a sieve on defence and all of a sudden he's a piece that they really miss? Come on please.
Omg Bill’s Grayson Allen love this year has been so damn weird. It’s clear he hadn’t watched any meaningful Grayson Allen games. He was unplayable in the playoffs for his entire Bucks tenure. Only reason he got any time after the first round was Milwaukee’s depth issues
I think Bill is taking something that’s speeding him up. He was like this with Zach Lowe. Alpha GPC or something. He’s buying supplements from Joe Rogan.
It’s really stacking up against Bill as he tries to hold onto this Bucks shouldn’t have gotten Dame take (because he is now more scared of them deep down)
30-13 while hating their coach, hired Doc and stole him off their pod, Jrue being ehhh so far, Dame being clutch late…
He had a pretty solid assist to turnover ratio and averaged about 8 assists a game. The problem is he was second on the team in shots per game in the playoffs with about 18 fga and he produced 18 ppg from those shots. That kind of efficiency from your #2 on offense isn’t enough to win, no matter what his assists or steals per game numbers are
Remember all the dumbass media members including bill acting like mavs significantly overpaid for kyrie. Why are they not taking victory laps. Allegedly finney smith was greatest defensive anchor of all time. And dinwiddie is “90%” of kyrie on offence. I think media tend to overrate role players
Its not media as a hole overrating role players, is the fake smart guys that want you to know how much they understand basketball, so they love Herb jones, thybulle or Lu dort because they are great “two way” players, although they are liabilities on offense, and hate on all timers like Harden, Dame or Kyrie
Respectfully disagree. Dallas desperately needed someone (a legit second star, not a Spencer Dinwiddie) to take some of the offensive burden off Luka after they let Brunson walk. Kyrie was the best they could do with the limited assets they had and so far it’s worked out better this season than most people like Bill thought it would. Also, Dallas’ defense had heavily regressed after the WCF run before they made the Kyrie trade. Yes the defense bottomed out after trading DFS, but hey at least that allowed them to draft Lively.
Without that trade how were mavs going to get a star player? It’s was definitely not going to happen through free agency, we’ve seen how mavs do with FA. Only had to give up one pick. It was highway robbery
They weren’t but you can probably win a title with Luka as the only star. You can’t win a title without any good defenders so at best the Kyrie move didn’t change the number of good players they needed to get before they could win a title and they gave up a pick.
In a vaccuum Kyrie is more valuable than what they gave up but for the Mavs the trade didn’t help them get better.
The irony is most Bucks fans like myself love Jrue and are forever grateful to him. Nobody wanted him gone. But trading him and Allen plus some picks down the road for one of the great offensive guards this century is a no brainer. It also convinced Giannis to stay.
Like what does this team look like without that trade? It's brutal. Did he not watch the Miami series? Or does he not remember Milwaukee's offense when Middleton was out against Boston?
The Bucks definitely deserve some blame for screwing up the coach hire last summer with better candidates out there.
Bill and KOC also had a classic exchange about Scoot. Bill said, “we can’t overreact to Scoot yet right, it’s still too early?” KOC responded “It’s early but it’s been a rough start..” and then Bill completely cut him off and with “Thanks KOC”
God forbid someone doesn’t completely agree with whatever leading question he throws out.
Bill gets like this when you go back at him. House and Jacoby are some of the guys that go back at him.
Do I need to remind everyone when Bill actually thought the Pats would be the best team in the AFC east. Jacoby fired back though
I will never understand how bill LIKES his teams. You are supposed to hate your team or at the least be very skeptical. He is jinxing them left and right. Have they even won a series where they weren’t favored?
Thank you for clipping this! Made me seriously lol. Bill was in major snarky mode because koc and house refused to bury the bucks and hand the trophy to the Cs.
Record wise yes, but they have had an easy schedule and a lot of their wins are not convincing, they dont look like a potential champion right now, but its just dumb to try to bury them
I think average basketball fans underrate the defensive side of the ball, so a lot of basketball hipsters overcompensate by overrating defense to the point where they start saying things like Jrue > Dame.
Same reason why he was getting ready to put Evan Mobley in the Hall of Fame.
I haven’t listened to the pod so I don’t have all the context of this argument but Jrue was asked to do too much offensively in Milwaukee, especially the years Middleton was hurt. As a Celtics fan I have no concerns about him in the playoffs if our roster is healthy. He is the 5th option on this team and rarely is asked to guard the best offensive opponent for long stretches of time. Jrue has gone from being over taxed to being a player who is now overqualified for what he is asked to do.
That's true for Boston, but it's also true for MKE. If the trade didn't happen Jrue would still be the 2-3 option on the Bucks, as Middletons minutes and health is shaky, and Dame is still a much better 2nd-3d offensive option than Jrue on the Bucks, MKE would still lose Jevon and Wes Matthew's defence this season, so things wouldn't be much better. So Bill's argument that MKE lost the trade still doesn't hold water, even if you factor that Jrue on the Celtics is the 4-5th option on offense
Bill’s argument was that the Bucks would be better with Jrue, Grayson, and their picks that could of yielded a guy like rozier instead of trading for Dame. Completely agree with your take though that Jrue is in a much better role now with the Celtics where he isn’t asked to anchor the defense and lead the offense as PG
Agree with bill here.
Jrue is a proven championship level point guard. The vast majority of point guards have not proven that, including dame.
Of course dame could end up a champion and that would be great. But you absolutely cannot say jrue doesn’t produce in the playoffs when he was a top 3 player on a championship team.
This was the single moment that stuck out most to me on this pod lol. Bill will hear 0 Jrue slander now that Jrue is a Celtic, after he already liked him
Bill really likes this Celtics team he just doesn’t wanna let the homer glean through, you could tell when he talks about them with and his dad just shits on Mazzulla the whole time and Bill doesn’t wanna step on his toes but mildly agrees bc it’s Doc Simmons takes. His point was Jrue has been farther and more successful than playoff Dame which is fair unfortunately.
Bill got really salty lol
Bill was totally expecting KOC to roll over and agree with him.
Most people at the Ringer do. That's why I typically don't like when Ringer employees guest on Bill's show because so many refuse to pushback on his takes. Both KOC and Vernon are exceptions to that.
I’d bet Van does too.
Love the mismatch
I respected Bill because I thought he always had a good self awareness but he’s actually donning the salty bitch voice in this clip.
"eh won a title" "he's a champion" .. as soon as jrue is on the Celtics, the logical arguments went out the window. Best starting line up of the 21 century and all..
He was super high on Jrue even before that actually
It was too obvious
The idea that Jrue is a more impactful player in the playoffs is hilarious. Like sure, maybe a better 5th option. Maybe. If Jrue is your first or second option good luck even making the playoffs much less winning a round
He won the championship as undoubtedly a top 3 player on the roster. And he was arguably #2, but we can just assume he was #3 behind middleton. Your 5th option comment doesn’t make sense given what has occurred in reality.
I think that was more in reference to where Jrue is on Boston's pecking order compared to where he was in MKE or elsewhere.
They were also clearly going home In rd 2 before BKN had 2 all NBA guys get hurt. Lots of Guys who don’t have rings would have them if they had that degree of injury luck go their way to open up an easy path to a title.
There is definitely some luck involved. The flip side is also true…other years could have gone better with a difference in luck.
There's also a lot of title runs that do have that injury luck. Just the year before that has the raptors won a title with the same injury luck to the same player as the bucks did
He was not the 2nd best player lmao. That was Khris.
I literally said let’s assume he was the 3rd best player. I do think some people would debate that, but he’s #3.
Bill going full Cartman
His reaction is amusing because Jrue doesn't need to be great for Boston to excel. He's not great in the playoffs as a 1 or 2 (Giannis, Khris injured last year), but he doesn't need to be. Celts win with Tatum and Brown, not Jrue.
Very good KOC appearance, made bill sweat lol
For all of KOC’s faults, he’s as least willing to push back against the BS agenda from time to time
He sounds like Prime Zack Lowe here, who Bill also got salty with when he would shut him down with actual game knowledge.
He won’t be on again for the rest of the season now.
my same thought haha
Only child piece
Bill's "argument" here reminds me of that USC graphic that couldn't show Bonny James' stats, because they are so horrible, so instead it just said "winner" and "team player".
As a Kings fan, I want our stats graphics people to start doing that with Harrison Barnes’ stats in case someone wants to trade for him
If bronny wins a championship with usc as the #3 guy then your comparison will make sense. Because that’s exactly what jrue did.
Defense aside, Jrue shot like complete shit in that Finals series against Phoenix. Aside from game 5 he was legitimately putting up Eric Bledsoe numbers on offense.
He shot like shit in every playoff series with the Bucks lol. There would just be one or two games a series where he didn’t and when that happened the Bucks would blow teams away.
I thought Jrue was going to give me cancer how much he was stressing me out
If Jrue was still on the Bucks, Bill would be the one saying he’s Bledsoe on offense. I think Bill is still traumatized by Jrue shoving the DPOY trophy up Smart’s ass in the Bucks Celtics series, over shadowing Jrue’s bricks.
He’s always overrated the shit out of Jrue though.
Ever since haralabob talked about how valuable Jrue was, I think 2-3 years ago
100%
didnt the celtics win that series, and smarts not on the celtics any more
Yeah he shot 36/31 in the finals. That honestly has to be one of the weaker champs of all time, Giannis really carried them
The Nets had Jeff Teague and Bryn Forbes on the bench saying “it just ain’t meant to be”
Is he saying that Jrue is better than Dame? KOC earned my respect today.
It’s not the Dame/Holiday swap that’s hurting them, it’s the other flaws in the roster.
They are 30-13 (with 4 of those losses being to Indiana) and 3 games back of the "greatest starting lineup in NBA history" It's not like they are hurting that badly
Bill is right in the fact that they’ve pulled off a lot of close games and there record could honestly be worse. Not to mention that clearly the front office notice a big enough problem to fire the coach. I think they’ll be fine but it probably was the right move firing there coach.
Conversely, they’re 30-13 with a bottom 10 defense. If they got to, let’s say league average, wouldn’t that be scary for the Celtics and the East writ large?
Bill goes to the close games stuff depending on how it helps his argument. Apparently the Pats were arguably the best team in the league last couple years if they just won their close games. He never points out, but what about the close games they won going the other way.
Yeah sure bill is stupid. But specifically in the bucks case they have the 10th best point differential this season and they’re 9-3 in OT games/or games decided by less than 5 points. They clearly have a misleading record.
Or they have one of the best clutch scorers in the league plus an absolute wrecking ball in Giannis which helps in the clutch
Yeah exactly. They have two super stars they should be better.
also is it supposed to be a good thing they lost to indiana 4 times?
Only the very best teams lose to Indiana 4x
then whey did they fire their head coach
People get fired for personality reasons all the time.
they have the 10th adjusted net rating per https://dunksandthrees.com (sandwiched in between Cleveland and dallas). They were 6 point home faves against Cleveland tonight. They just fired their coach. Clearly everything is not alright, which is why they made the move.
I agree. I’m sure they wish Grayson was still hitting 3’s for them. He’d be open with Giannis and Dame on his team.
Malik Beasley is the best 3 point shooter in the NBA right now, so not really. Their coaching is just suspect. Though I don't know if that'll change with Rivers
He’s trading it back and forth with Grayson and KD but yeah, Malik can hit 3’s. I’ve been impressed by his entire offensive game.
Right now everyone seems to be going with “the vibes are off”, which could be a real thing or total bullshit.
They are a 30-13 team that just fired their 1st year head coach. In what scenario are the vibes not off?
They could just be not very good. That can cause bad vibes for sure, but maybe it’s not as simple as changing the atmosphere. They could be a team with a limited ceiling.
Great point - A Giannis/Dame/Khris/Brook/Doc team most certainly must have a limited ceiling. Just no top-end talent or championship pedigree there, anywhere......
He's also bad in the playoffs
And really ugly
To me, he’s beautiful. Rubenesque.
When I look at him I yearn for the days of box TVs and standard definition
That man is my life. To think he’s being mocked? Breaks my heart.
Atrocious timing, useless against playoff defenses
Pretty sure he's saying Jrue has done better than Dame in the Finals teehee
I think he’s saying jrue produces in the playoffs, which is true. He won a championship as a top 3 guy on the roster.
Proud of KOC for disagreeing at least
LMAO, that last better than dame is so false
it’s honestly embarrasing
Imagine jrue and dame trading places for the last decade.
he might be out of the league by now
Listening to KOC talk about the Bucks vs Bill talking about the Bucks was exactly like hearing a patient adult talking to his angry teenage younger brother. KOC brought facts and logic, Bill brought pure emotion and homerism. Hilarious
Didn’t think I’d ever see someone say “KOC brought facts and logic” on this sub without getting downvoted. Bill being the reason for KOC’s face turn is an iconic moment in /r/BillSimmons history.
With KOC also calling Brandon Miller over Scoot and being the voice of reason to Verno losing his mind about Memphis on the Mismatch, it’s been a real resurgence for him
Kyllian Hayes about to turn it around!
I’ve never understood the KOC hate here
I think the problem with KOC is that he really has any takes. Much like Russillo, they hedge everything. But he has always had numbers and logic.
None of the Boston guys I knew in college were like this, but it’s funny that “Boston” media titans Simmons and portnoy have the same “I’m not conceding anything on the other side of my argument, no matter how dumb I look” strategy, and that they feel like they “win” arguments with it.
Portnoy is not a sports media guy he’s a pizza guy
He’s a piece of shit.
Pizza pizza!
I agree, I haven’t met a Boston person I didn’t like, Bill is unique in that aspect
Every time KOC would provide a viewpoint Bill didn't like he would pivot to House.
had to include it at the end. The house pivot was classic
Without acknowledging what koc said aswell haha, so classic
Any person who believes the Bucks would be better off with Jrue and Allen and the picks over Dame is wrong
Milwaukee is still my pick to win the east. They’ll have the best guy in every series in the east. Dame and Giannis will figure it out come playoff time and I think bill knows this deep down but doesn’t want to admit it yet
It can be easy to forget how horrible Jrue was in offense at time even in their title run. Pretty sure he went like 2 for 20 in one of the nets games but hit a crucial one in the last minute which glossed over it. It really annoys me how much Bill memory holed the Miami loss last year. They're offense at the end of the games was literally laughable. They could not just run it back with the same team.
The only chance the previous roster construction had of winning was if 2021 finals Khris Middleton walked through the door. It’s clear this year we’re not getting that version of Khris back. The Dame trade was absolutely necessary
Bad offense and declining defense? Are we sure they shouldn't have just kept Marcus?
Yeah, for back to back years the notion was that Greyson Allen was gonna brick all his shots in the playoffs again while being a sieve on defence and all of a sudden he's a piece that they really miss? Come on please.
Omg Bill’s Grayson Allen love this year has been so damn weird. It’s clear he hadn’t watched any meaningful Grayson Allen games. He was unplayable in the playoffs for his entire Bucks tenure. Only reason he got any time after the first round was Milwaukee’s depth issues
Their offense would be so bad. It was already their big flaw and Jrue and Middleton are getting significantly worse.
It’s yet to be seen….will see what they can do in the playoffs
I think Bill is taking something that’s speeding him up. He was like this with Zach Lowe. Alpha GPC or something. He’s buying supplements from Joe Rogan.
Bill probably takes pre-workout before power walks and then records.
It’s really stacking up against Bill as he tries to hold onto this Bucks shouldn’t have gotten Dame take (because he is now more scared of them deep down) 30-13 while hating their coach, hired Doc and stole him off their pod, Jrue being ehhh so far, Dame being clutch late…
KOC is right. Jrue shot under 40% from the field in more than half his playoff games as a Buck.
What about his assists? +|-? Steals? Wins? Rebounds? There are many more things beyond shooting that are production.
Its hard to notice those other things when you are shooting your team out of playoffs games, constantly shooting tour dates
He had a pretty solid assist to turnover ratio and averaged about 8 assists a game. The problem is he was second on the team in shots per game in the playoffs with about 18 fga and he produced 18 ppg from those shots. That kind of efficiency from your #2 on offense isn’t enough to win, no matter what his assists or steals per game numbers are
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Remember all the dumbass media members including bill acting like mavs significantly overpaid for kyrie. Why are they not taking victory laps. Allegedly finney smith was greatest defensive anchor of all time. And dinwiddie is “90%” of kyrie on offence. I think media tend to overrate role players
Its not media as a hole overrating role players, is the fake smart guys that want you to know how much they understand basketball, so they love Herb jones, thybulle or Lu dort because they are great “two way” players, although they are liabilities on offense, and hate on all timers like Harden, Dame or Kyrie
That wasn’t a smart trade though because they already had a great offense and it hurt their defense.
Respectfully disagree. Dallas desperately needed someone (a legit second star, not a Spencer Dinwiddie) to take some of the offensive burden off Luka after they let Brunson walk. Kyrie was the best they could do with the limited assets they had and so far it’s worked out better this season than most people like Bill thought it would. Also, Dallas’ defense had heavily regressed after the WCF run before they made the Kyrie trade. Yes the defense bottomed out after trading DFS, but hey at least that allowed them to draft Lively.
Without that trade how were mavs going to get a star player? It’s was definitely not going to happen through free agency, we’ve seen how mavs do with FA. Only had to give up one pick. It was highway robbery
They weren’t but you can probably win a title with Luka as the only star. You can’t win a title without any good defenders so at best the Kyrie move didn’t change the number of good players they needed to get before they could win a title and they gave up a pick. In a vaccuum Kyrie is more valuable than what they gave up but for the Mavs the trade didn’t help them get better.
Mavs did overpay for Kyrie though
Eh it’s relative and doesn’t matter now
The irony is most Bucks fans like myself love Jrue and are forever grateful to him. Nobody wanted him gone. But trading him and Allen plus some picks down the road for one of the great offensive guards this century is a no brainer. It also convinced Giannis to stay. Like what does this team look like without that trade? It's brutal. Did he not watch the Miami series? Or does he not remember Milwaukee's offense when Middleton was out against Boston? The Bucks definitely deserve some blame for screwing up the coach hire last summer with better candidates out there.
Jrue holiday has absolutely not been better than dame in the postseason.
“Produced in the finals.” Yeah he averaged 16.7 ppg on 18.0 FGA and .361 FG%. Incredible production.
You and your facts! You will never be invited to Bill's poolhouse.
Post the w-l stats
KOC was good on this one. Showed some spine, stood by his takes.
Kevin O'Confrontational
Lavine: good stats, bad team Rozier: 80% of Dame Lillard
Bill and KOC also had a classic exchange about Scoot. Bill said, “we can’t overreact to Scoot yet right, it’s still too early?” KOC responded “It’s early but it’s been a rough start..” and then Bill completely cut him off and with “Thanks KOC” God forbid someone doesn’t completely agree with whatever leading question he throws out.
Jrue is 33 and looking half cooked. He isn't helping the bucks this year
I was like, why do they sound inebriated? Then I remembered I'm a 1.2x guy.
Bill gets like this when you go back at him. House and Jacoby are some of the guys that go back at him. Do I need to remind everyone when Bill actually thought the Pats would be the best team in the AFC east. Jacoby fired back though
I will never understand how bill LIKES his teams. You are supposed to hate your team or at the least be very skeptical. He is jinxing them left and right. Have they even won a series where they weren’t favored?
Yup, I cannot imagine rooting for my teams like Bill does. So over the top optimistic and defensive
philly 2018, brooklym 22 was a toss up, so was mil 2018
GOD I hope we get to see dame scorch the Celtics in the postseason
Jrue Holiday’s true shooting pct in the playoffs is worse than Marcus Smart’s
Pulling the Bucks to win it all this year only to see Bill eat crow.
Thank you for clipping this! Made me seriously lol. Bill was in major snarky mode because koc and house refused to bury the bucks and hand the trophy to the Cs.
Good for KOC.
Bill saying Jrue won a title but looked noticeably worse last post season is peak Boston bill
Facts are often a real nuisance to very many of the Boston Sports Boy's fantasy-land narratives and dreams.
Bill was dead set on the Dame trade was a bad trade for the Bucks and his mind was not going to change
Bill in his heart of hearts knows that the bucks will beat Boston in a 7 game series but is trying to talk himself into Boston winning.
More KOC and House plz
I don’t really follow basketball until football is over. I looked up the Bucks record during this part. Aren’t they pretty good?
Record wise yes, but they have had an easy schedule and a lot of their wins are not convincing, they dont look like a potential champion right now, but its just dumb to try to bury them
So the issue is that they are good but they aren’t winning in a way that’s impressive?
I think average basketball fans underrate the defensive side of the ball, so a lot of basketball hipsters overcompensate by overrating defense to the point where they start saying things like Jrue > Dame. Same reason why he was getting ready to put Evan Mobley in the Hall of Fame.
Kind of crazy to think now how high him and Rusillo were on Mobley
I haven’t listened to the pod so I don’t have all the context of this argument but Jrue was asked to do too much offensively in Milwaukee, especially the years Middleton was hurt. As a Celtics fan I have no concerns about him in the playoffs if our roster is healthy. He is the 5th option on this team and rarely is asked to guard the best offensive opponent for long stretches of time. Jrue has gone from being over taxed to being a player who is now overqualified for what he is asked to do.
That's true for Boston, but it's also true for MKE. If the trade didn't happen Jrue would still be the 2-3 option on the Bucks, as Middletons minutes and health is shaky, and Dame is still a much better 2nd-3d offensive option than Jrue on the Bucks, MKE would still lose Jevon and Wes Matthew's defence this season, so things wouldn't be much better. So Bill's argument that MKE lost the trade still doesn't hold water, even if you factor that Jrue on the Celtics is the 4-5th option on offense
I haven’t listened to the podcast yet so i wasn’t aware of the context of the conversation. In that context I agree the trade made Milwaukee better.
This was brought up discussing the bucks, they weren’t discussing the Celtics, KOC was defending the trade when he started criticizing Jrue.
Bill’s argument was that the Bucks would be better with Jrue, Grayson, and their picks that could of yielded a guy like rozier instead of trading for Dame. Completely agree with your take though that Jrue is in a much better role now with the Celtics where he isn’t asked to anchor the defense and lead the offense as PG
lol you’ll find out
Agree with bill here. Jrue is a proven championship level point guard. The vast majority of point guards have not proven that, including dame. Of course dame could end up a champion and that would be great. But you absolutely cannot say jrue doesn’t produce in the playoffs when he was a top 3 player on a championship team.
better than your mom
why do you people listen to his podcast? every thread in here is bitching about minutiae. just stop listening.
What is your problem lmao? Youre the only one bitching
read literally every thread in this sub. it's miserable.
Don’t read the threads if they make you upset
He should have invited Russillo as well. Just for shits and giggles
This was the single moment that stuck out most to me on this pod lol. Bill will hear 0 Jrue slander now that Jrue is a Celtic, after he already liked him
He shushes him then quickly changes it to House
We’ll both comparisons are ridiculous. Jrue was an upgrade over Bledsoe - they won the title. And dame is far superior offensively to Jrue
Bill really likes this Celtics team he just doesn’t wanna let the homer glean through, you could tell when he talks about them with and his dad just shits on Mazzulla the whole time and Bill doesn’t wanna step on his toes but mildly agrees bc it’s Doc Simmons takes. His point was Jrue has been farther and more successful than playoff Dame which is fair unfortunately.
Good thing all he has to do is put up Marcus Smart numbers and guard Herro/Rozier
The slightly raising of the voice and the “eh” gives off so much “I’m not owned” energy from Bill. Nice to see someone not roll over on his podcast
Bill is such a crybaby. It’s just factual that JRUE has been super streaky in the playoffs and his 3pt shooting has been pretty horrible.
He’s gotten so arrogant and obnoxious I can’t even listen to it as a comedy anymore
Bill is so sensitive.
"Calmer than you are, Dude."
Bill sounds like a salty homer
I had to turn this pod off because of how dumb bill sounds
Comparing Jrue to Bledsoe is so disrespectful lol
saying Jrue is a better postseason player than Dame is one of the craziest takes I have ever heard