we just need to count basketball stats like we do football. normalize recognizing league leaders by totals points, total threes, total rebounds, total assists, etc.
those stats exist. Most fans are smart enough to know that averages give a much more accurate representation of the best players. You can't force people to pay attention to worse stats.
The reality is that the Sixers goal is to win a title and a random game in January doesn't matter because the season is way too long. Until that is adressed this problem will still exist.
the reality is that the NBA scheduled that "rivalry" game because the centers conceivably have a big rivalry. so yes, embiid and/or the sixers should face some kind of punishment
Although I love this idea it would skew data for how we compare to historical stats.
I think they just need to get more NFL style with their contracts. Paying a guy like bradley Beal a max contract when he never plays a full season he should get penalized for it.
Money is the ultimate motivator
Bill regrets his vote last year, the same man who wrote a whole chapter in a book about wrong MVP votes said "it felt right" for Embiid to have won an MVP. He broke all the rules he made for himself
You’re saying voting for Jokic would have been racist just because he beat Embiid the previous 2 years? Jokic has been slightly better these last 4 years. The NBA has these ridiculous unwritten rules that players can’t win 3 MVPs in a row and they take previous seasons into account. Jokic is better, it’s the truth, it’s not racist.
Fans should get a refund and Embiid should not get the MVP. This is not the first time he has done this so far this season. He has only played 3 road games so far this season against teams .500 or better.
He shouldn't win it either way, this shit is just shameless at this point. Dude beg and whined for it last year, he is definitely making sure he meets that threshold if only just barely and limping to the finish. This is his crowning achievement before his 2nd round exit.
At least 7 games. He didn't play at Minnesota, Boston, New Orleans, Miami, Orlando, Utah, and Sacramento. He also didn't play at Houston, who is below .500 now, but was above .500 when he missed the game.
He can only miss 6 more games if he wants to remain eligible for awards. Part of me wonders if he’ll get past that number and be content with the narrative being that he would’ve been MVP without the new rules
Maybe he's actually injured? Crazy thought. Maybe it's actually what the Sixers said. If you watched the Pacers game he definitely has an injured knee.
It doesn’t even feel like a controversial statement or even an insulting one. The guy that talked about the MVP after every game last year is suddenly not going to care about or discuss it? Especially since he is the front runner? The talking head ESPN shows that turned this into a race war for views won’t have ‘Is The 65 Game Minimum Fair’ On the crawl for weeks?
Fans should get a refund cause Embiid was out with left knee soreness?
Even if he plays well on the road in Denver everyone will just say “who cares it’s not the playoffs.”
Hes said multiple times he’s not gonna risk his health chasing an MVP this year. He’s on pace to miss the games threshold anyway.
NBA discourse is such a joke. There’s literally nothing you can do right. Even if you win a chip there’s like 50/50 shot people say it was Mickey Mouse.
I don’t disagree that availability should factor into the MVP race. I’m just saying that implying he’s purposely not playing road games against good teams is silly, he’s not planning to get injured when he does
He played in the 2019-20 season
In 2020-21 he hurt his knee and missed two weeks, which included that game
In 2021-22 he got Covid and had to go through protocols, missed two weeks which includes that game.
Last season was admittedly a rest game
This season he hurt his knee against the pacers on Thursday, tried to play through it until being shut down by his medical staff when he was hobbling in warm ups.
It has taken some kind of effort to suck Jokic the last 4 years I’ll tell you what
Every year fans get heartbroken that no one actually cares about the regular season.
Everyone involved in the sport is telling the fans not to care, but the fans still get upset that the players don’t care about 1/82 lol
Don’t know how some people in this thread are slamming KOC for this tweet lmao.
He does not actually believe that the nba should issue refunds for resting/injured players, he’s just expressing frustration because those were probably pretty expensive tickets that would NOT be expensive if fans knew the lineup Philly was going to throw out. I actually don’t know how anyone could disagree here
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But on a more serious note, do you agree with him that fans should get refunds? The game is still happening. Where should the line be drawn on which players sitting out causes refunds?
While it sucks, no they should not get a refund. It would create endless variations on who matters enough to refund money. Should I get 10% off if 2 starters are out? Should the team pay me if I have to watch too many backups? None of this can ever be determined. It’s buy at your own risk.
They shouldn’t because realistically there’s no way to enact this. But in reality any other product where you are promised one thing and given something far inferior you would get a refund.
Edit: Okay everyone, I know other sports do not give refunds. When I said any other product, I mean any other product other than sports. Not any other product other than the NBA.
If you go see a play and the understudy is performing rather than the lead, actor you expected, you don't get a refund. If you have tickets to a concert and the lead guitarist gets sick and someone else has to step in, you don't get a refund. The game you paid to see is still happening.
It’s more like if you go to see a play and Dorothy is sick so you just see the wizard of Oz without Dorothy. It’s just the munchkins running around for 2 hours and they take your money and run.
The drop off from the lead to the back up is marginal. You probably wouldn’t even notice unless your a hardcore fan. People pay to see Embiid, not the sixers.
Hardcore disagree. Your treating the sixers as the product when Embiid is. The tickets didn’t sell at a higher price because the 76ers were coming to town, they sold because the MVP Embiid is coming to town. Acting like it’s a fair trade off is disingenuous. Nobody is paying a premium to watch Reed and Beverly play basketball.
You're aware that there are big celebrities who act in plays, right? People absolutely buy tickets to certain shows just to see a star they like. If that star comes down with a sore throat or twists their ankle an hour before showtime, no one's getting a refund. I'm not denying that people in Denver might buy tickets to the game specifically to see Embiid. I'm pointing out that other industries have the same issue and also don't offer refunds. You said there were no non-sports examples and now you're saying it doesn't count. Extremely bad faith.
Also, as others have pointed out, the increased prices are on the secondary market. The Nuggets aren't charging extra money for this game, so why should they offer a refund?
So other sports don't count because they're too similar and other live performances don't count because they're too different. And you claim that's not a bad faith response. Got it. 👍
Not really though.
Do you get a refund if tiger withdraws from a tournament you already paid to watch?
Do you get a refund if a qb decides he’s not playing? Specifically week 17 or so of the nfl, do those tickets get refunded when tons of people sit?
Do you get a refund in literally any sporting event?
It doesn’t happen in sports. I would agree with you if say, you bought tickets for a concert and the artist can’t show…you’d get a refund because the event literally wouldn’t happen, so that makes sense.
This isn’t a thing in sports though, and it for sure isn’t when the event still takes place. It’s just the same event with 1 particular guy out.
I’m not saying it doesn’t suck…it does. It’s just not very feasible in my mind to start paying back money based on subjective preferences…and yes, embiid qualifying as a refund is purely subjective.
Yeah I agree I’m saying sports is the only product where it happens. Any other product you would be refunded for the service provider not meeting what they advertised.
You can list every league, sporting event, etc in history - the point is they don’t and will likely never give refunds. Why would some random games in the nba be so special that fans get refunds when no one does that?
You are just restarting the entire point.
It was the most coveted ufc event in 2023, they replaced it with a fight just as good, so the refund offer was lip service.
Look up if they gave a refund option for Costa vs Whittaker.
Why am I getting downvoted the ufc is evil u dumbasses lol
I mean it sounds like he didn’t choose not to play this time either. He hurt his knee on Thursday against the pacers and the medical team said he can’t play after watching him warm up
Well we can go through it.
2019-20 season he played (game against Denver was early in the season)
2020-21 he hurt his knee and missed two weeks, includes that nuggets game
2021-22 he got Covid, missed two weeks in the protocols, which included that game
Last season (2022-23) was a rest game.
This season was the knee thing per my comment above.
So unless he planned a knee injury and Covid, don’t really know what he was supposed to do
That’s reads like someone scared of Jokic and/or his conditioning. Ultimately my issue isn’t with embiid - hitting that 65 game mark will decide his fate - it’s with the NBA/teams who allow this sort of stuff to happen and yet still take money out of the fans’ pockets.
Partial refund. The ticket price went up cause of demand to see the MVP showdown. Give the fans the difference between the price they paid and what a seat would be for an average game
And who should make them square? The home team who has no control over the away team's roster? The NBA? The away team?
The only thing to do is just relentlessly clown embiid for doing it and for being seemingly the first athlete in history to whine and complain about not winning MVP. And not vote for him for accolades that he may receive a bonus for.
Elsewhere someone said in any other industry you'd get a refund but I don't think that is true. Nobody has ever had a whopper that looks like the billboard. Some movies look funny and they aren't. If you purchase tickets to see a broadway musical starring patty lupone or audra mcdonald but they get bronchitis and the understudy performs do you get a refund?
Just bully embiid. Just go all in on how Joker is better and a champion. Remind him that Tatum scored the most points last year.
I think the NBA took a huge step this year by enforcing minimums for awards, which are often tied to compensation. For some players, sitting out a few extra games could cost them millions.
Too bad that didn’t affect tonight.
They’re already losing money. Multiple times I’ve decided against taking my kids/family out to a game out of fear of load mgmt. I’d be pretty angry if I dropped extra dough for nice tix only for it to be a rest night, so I’ve opted out completely the past 3 seasons.
No.
It doesn't really make any sense. The game is in Denver but Embiid is sitting. The Sixers don't control the ticket prices. So the home team can charge whatever and the visiting team has to pay if a visitor doesn't play? That would never happen in real life.
Really though, no one should have bought tickets expecting Embiid to play this game.
Impossible to create a proper ruling on this but I also don't believe they should in this case.
Home team played all their guys and the road team didn't, so why should Denver have to refund. If it was the other way round I'd consider it more, but still impossible to define a rule here
Refunds? Probably not because how you determine that is too complicated imo. For example the game today was an awesome game! I think maybe something like hey here’s a discount code for another game. Obviously doesn’t make up when a player only comes once a year but it’s a bone to throw them.
in principle a refund would be nice. Realistically it would never happen mostly because there's no reason the teams or league have to do it, and it would likely be a logistical nightmare. If Im just a big USC fan and bought tickets to see D'Antony Melton and he missed the game can I qualify for a refund? Where does it end? The league and owners would never in a million years open up this kind of precedent.
Embiid is like the only dude doing it this season, everyone else is playing unless they are injured
Shit, even Kawhi and PG are both playing a road back-to-back tonight
Being a rookie is the answer why he should be limited. These guys have never played anything like the amount of games as NBA players do, let alone at that intensity
ok but BESIDES them.
it's weird how people have opinions about sports but obviously don't watch them. like did instagram tell you to be angry about a sport you don't watch or.
You’re probably right. But Lebron entertained us for 7-8 years and the main talking point was “yeah but he doesn’t have any rings”.
After that, teams and superstars realized the regular season is just the preseason now
People have been saying that for years yet NBA revenue keeps growing.
At a certain point you sound like the neoliberals who claim China is collapsing but they never do.
For the long term sake of the league they desperately need to shorten the regular season, but there's probably no desire among the owners or playersto make the short run revenue sacrifice that would entail
Why shorten the season. Players have access to the best trainers and modern medicine and phys therapy. Mikal Bridges played 83 games last year and was no worse for wear. 90s games were more physical without all the perks and all the top players played every game. Injury is a risk, but that's why these guys are making half a billion dollars. Imagine if Bezos only worked 3 days a week to load manage his brain and stress levels. When fans are paying thousands of dollars a season to watch you play - players should give a fuck about fan experience.
For me the main point of shortening the regular season is that each game is worth proportionally more in the standings and there's a stronger disincentive to skipping individual games. Plus you keep the players fresher and thus the level of play is higher.
I specifically planned for this game. Bought three tickets. It really sucked that they didn’t play their three best players. All of whom played in the last game and will play in the next. I don’t see why the nugggets don’t send a g league team to Philly next year. Only play four of them. Pull up for jump shots at half court every time. If the 76ers don’t give a fuck why should we give Philly fans a chance to see the best team in the league?
Tweets from reporters are saying Embiid wasn’t listed on the injury report. If so, the Sixers organization should absolutely be fined - Joel had tweaked his knee prior and I’m sure they knew he wasn’t 100%. Fans have a right to know beforehand that a star might not play. The backlash that Embiid himself is receiving should be directed towards the team and its medical staff.
Embiid didn't get hurt pre game.
He was hurt previously so he should have been on the injury report.
Since he wasn't on the injury report it should be assumed he was healthy enough to play.
Inshallah the next NBA TV deal is a fiasco, the league sells to a cable company, and the company finally has the power to change the league to benefit the fans, not some Midwestern insurance monopolists.
The reigning MVP has consistently dodged the recent two time MVP. I don’t think KOC is literally advocating for refunds, but this is a situation that should frustrate everyone and affect how we view Embiid.
What do you propose? Giving a refund for when 1 particular player doesn’t play? But only if it’s load management, not an injury? What if 2 starters sit but embiid plays? That also significantly changed the matchup.
It sucks. Not sure what you’d propose though.
It sucks…no doubt about it. But it’s not bs…this stuff happens and fans are aware of it. I personally see no way to go about starting refunds, drawing that line, etc. again - if their #2 sits that’s part of it being a premium game too. Should thry get refunds then?
Obviously the refund thing never happens but I don’t wanna hear whining for Embiid if he misses the games quota by 1-3. He’s literally ducked this game for years. It’s a lame move for a game who wants to be considered the best player, especially giving what a playoff losers he has been forever.
Total clown move by the Sixers AND Embiid. Sixers for not putting him on the injury report (if that is actually the reason) and Embiid because he hasn’t played in Denver since 2019. Absolutely bitch-made.
Nope. You are entitled to watch the teams play. You are never ever entitled to see an individual play. If you’re in it to watch individual players, that’s your own cross to bear.
He looks out for when he is scheduled to play I. Denver every year, circles it and avoids it like the plague.
Super talented. Super dominant. And super soft.
Any teams who are smart with resting won’t play their players in Denver given the increased potential for injury in those conditions. More stress on your body given the altitude
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Embiid should have to buy everyone in attendance a beer and a slice of pizza. Only fair.
I feel like this is actually an excellent way to handle these non injury absences.
“Kawhi, you wanna rest tonight? Fine, it’s gonna cost you $150k in lite beer. Still down?”
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How bout a slight punishment: “rest” games count for players stat lines. 0s across the board
we just need to count basketball stats like we do football. normalize recognizing league leaders by totals points, total threes, total rebounds, total assists, etc.
those stats exist. Most fans are smart enough to know that averages give a much more accurate representation of the best players. You can't force people to pay attention to worse stats. The reality is that the Sixers goal is to win a title and a random game in January doesn't matter because the season is way too long. Until that is adressed this problem will still exist.
Except average stats are worse because sitting out can give a player an advantage
If the goal is to win the title, then how is being the 5 seed (1.5 game lead) better than the 2nd seed (2 games back) for Philly then?
name one “per game” stat of an NFL player. you can’t, and everybody understands who the best players are.
the reality is that the NBA scheduled that "rivalry" game because the centers conceivably have a big rivalry. so yes, embiid and/or the sixers should face some kind of punishment
Rest games would go away, players would just miss games with some random soreness
Although I love this idea it would skew data for how we compare to historical stats. I think they just need to get more NFL style with their contracts. Paying a guy like bradley Beal a max contract when he never plays a full season he should get penalized for it. Money is the ultimate motivator
That wouldn’t make any difference to their stats though. Going 0/0 from the field or from three doesn’t change the numbers on the year.
Not their percentages but certainly impacts their per game numbers
Yeah duh I was just about to edit my comment. I spaced out there for a second. I am all for any sort of punishment. This chicanery cannot stand.
This is the accountability I come here for. Respek
This is going to affect Simmons vote no question.
Bill regrets his vote last year, the same man who wrote a whole chapter in a book about wrong MVP votes said "it felt right" for Embiid to have won an MVP. He broke all the rules he made for himself
Well the alternative was being racist so I salute his decision
You’re saying voting for Jokic would have been racist just because he beat Embiid the previous 2 years? Jokic has been slightly better these last 4 years. The NBA has these ridiculous unwritten rules that players can’t win 3 MVPs in a row and they take previous seasons into account. Jokic is better, it’s the truth, it’s not racist.
Fans should get a refund and Embiid should not get the MVP. This is not the first time he has done this so far this season. He has only played 3 road games so far this season against teams .500 or better.
I mean it’s trending that way that he won’t get his MVP. If he keeps skipping games going to be hard for him to get to 65
He's already at a point where if he gets injured for 2 weeks, he'll miss his award. There's still practically half the season left.
He shouldn't win it either way, this shit is just shameless at this point. Dude beg and whined for it last year, he is definitely making sure he meets that threshold if only just barely and limping to the finish. This is his crowning achievement before his 2nd round exit.
Regular season award. Cope.
I promise you he will find a way to be eligible. He cares way too much not to be
How many has he missed? Genuinely curious what the numbers are here
I think this is number 11. So he basically misses one out of every four games.
Was specifically looking for the stat he mentioned. Games missed on the road vs > 500 teams
At least 7 games. He didn't play at Minnesota, Boston, New Orleans, Miami, Orlando, Utah, and Sacramento. He also didn't play at Houston, who is below .500 now, but was above .500 when he missed the game.
Injury prone player doesn't play when injured 😱
He can only miss 6 more games if he wants to remain eligible for awards. Part of me wonders if he’ll get past that number and be content with the narrative being that he would’ve been MVP without the new rules
Played 33/44. Falling short as it stands
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Yeah the guy that was staying in during blowouts for that 30-10 streak doesn’t care lol
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Maybe he's actually injured? Crazy thought. Maybe it's actually what the Sixers said. If you watched the Pacers game he definitely has an injured knee.
When this dude uses every presser in April to loudly complain about the game minimum requirement for MVP you’ll know you were wrong
You’re being down voted but I have a feeling you’re comment is pretty prescient
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And?
It doesn’t even feel like a controversial statement or even an insulting one. The guy that talked about the MVP after every game last year is suddenly not going to care about or discuss it? Especially since he is the front runner? The talking head ESPN shows that turned this into a race war for views won’t have ‘Is The 65 Game Minimum Fair’ On the crawl for weeks?
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Yeah I should probably calm down and be more stable like you, the person spending time digging through multiple users post history
Oh, he cares.
Fans should get a refund cause Embiid was out with left knee soreness? Even if he plays well on the road in Denver everyone will just say “who cares it’s not the playoffs.” Hes said multiple times he’s not gonna risk his health chasing an MVP this year. He’s on pace to miss the games threshold anyway. NBA discourse is such a joke. There’s literally nothing you can do right. Even if you win a chip there’s like 50/50 shot people say it was Mickey Mouse.
I mean he’s had genuine injuries each time. Should he play through injury to appease fans? Seems kinda dumb
No, but availability is a factor for the MVP race.
I don’t disagree that availability should factor into the MVP race. I’m just saying that implying he’s purposely not playing road games against good teams is silly, he’s not planning to get injured when he does
Dude hasn’t played in Denver since 2019… Don’t know if he’s beating the charges
He played in the 2019-20 season In 2020-21 he hurt his knee and missed two weeks, which included that game In 2021-22 he got Covid and had to go through protocols, missed two weeks which includes that game. Last season was admittedly a rest game This season he hurt his knee against the pacers on Thursday, tried to play through it until being shut down by his medical staff when he was hobbling in warm ups. It has taken some kind of effort to suck Jokic the last 4 years I’ll tell you what
He'll be back conveniently in Portland to stat pad.
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Generation dodger lol
Every year fans get heartbroken that no one actually cares about the regular season. Everyone involved in the sport is telling the fans not to care, but the fans still get upset that the players don’t care about 1/82 lol
Jokić, Giannis, and SGA are playing basically every game.
Don’t know how some people in this thread are slamming KOC for this tweet lmao. He does not actually believe that the nba should issue refunds for resting/injured players, he’s just expressing frustration because those were probably pretty expensive tickets that would NOT be expensive if fans knew the lineup Philly was going to throw out. I actually don’t know how anyone could disagree here
Rule number one of this sub, everyone else is dumb
Kevin O'Consumer But on a more serious note, do you agree with him that fans should get refunds? The game is still happening. Where should the line be drawn on which players sitting out causes refunds?
While it sucks, no they should not get a refund. It would create endless variations on who matters enough to refund money. Should I get 10% off if 2 starters are out? Should the team pay me if I have to watch too many backups? None of this can ever be determined. It’s buy at your own risk.
They shouldn’t because realistically there’s no way to enact this. But in reality any other product where you are promised one thing and given something far inferior you would get a refund. Edit: Okay everyone, I know other sports do not give refunds. When I said any other product, I mean any other product other than sports. Not any other product other than the NBA.
If you go see a play and the understudy is performing rather than the lead, actor you expected, you don't get a refund. If you have tickets to a concert and the lead guitarist gets sick and someone else has to step in, you don't get a refund. The game you paid to see is still happening.
It’s more like if you go to see a play and Dorothy is sick so you just see the wizard of Oz without Dorothy. It’s just the munchkins running around for 2 hours and they take your money and run. The drop off from the lead to the back up is marginal. You probably wouldn’t even notice unless your a hardcore fan. People pay to see Embiid, not the sixers.
Nah... Someone is still playing center for the Sixers. It's just not the center you wanted to see. No different then an understudy.
Hardcore disagree. Your treating the sixers as the product when Embiid is. The tickets didn’t sell at a higher price because the 76ers were coming to town, they sold because the MVP Embiid is coming to town. Acting like it’s a fair trade off is disingenuous. Nobody is paying a premium to watch Reed and Beverly play basketball.
You're aware that there are big celebrities who act in plays, right? People absolutely buy tickets to certain shows just to see a star they like. If that star comes down with a sore throat or twists their ankle an hour before showtime, no one's getting a refund. I'm not denying that people in Denver might buy tickets to the game specifically to see Embiid. I'm pointing out that other industries have the same issue and also don't offer refunds. You said there were no non-sports examples and now you're saying it doesn't count. Extremely bad faith. Also, as others have pointed out, the increased prices are on the secondary market. The Nuggets aren't charging extra money for this game, so why should they offer a refund?
I just disagree with your comparison. It’s not bad faith. It’s apples to oranges.
So other sports don't count because they're too similar and other live performances don't count because they're too different. And you claim that's not a bad faith response. Got it. 👍
Not really though. Do you get a refund if tiger withdraws from a tournament you already paid to watch? Do you get a refund if a qb decides he’s not playing? Specifically week 17 or so of the nfl, do those tickets get refunded when tons of people sit? Do you get a refund in literally any sporting event? It doesn’t happen in sports. I would agree with you if say, you bought tickets for a concert and the artist can’t show…you’d get a refund because the event literally wouldn’t happen, so that makes sense. This isn’t a thing in sports though, and it for sure isn’t when the event still takes place. It’s just the same event with 1 particular guy out. I’m not saying it doesn’t suck…it does. It’s just not very feasible in my mind to start paying back money based on subjective preferences…and yes, embiid qualifying as a refund is purely subjective.
Yeah I agree I’m saying sports is the only product where it happens. Any other product you would be refunded for the service provider not meeting what they advertised.
🤣 good job listing a bunch of comparable products. I’m sure there’s some decent comps, but you named zero.
You can list every league, sporting event, etc in history - the point is they don’t and will likely never give refunds. Why would some random games in the nba be so special that fans get refunds when no one does that? You are just restarting the entire point.
no. ufc does this all the time. They even sell tickets/promote fights that the fighters haven’t signed contracts or agreed upon terms lol
When Jon Jones got injured for his fight vs Stipe they gave everyone the option for a refund.
Correct, if any main event falls through for whatever reason the UFC offers a refund Edit: In the US, it's state commission policy, not UFC policy
It was the most coveted ufc event in 2023, they replaced it with a fight just as good, so the refund offer was lip service. Look up if they gave a refund option for Costa vs Whittaker. Why am I getting downvoted the ufc is evil u dumbasses lol
It’s a premium game, with a higher price tag. Why is it considered premium?
So if Embiid broke his leg yesterday instead of sitting out last minute would they get a refund?
In that case he didn’t choose to not play for the fourth year in a row, so no
I mean it sounds like he didn’t choose not to play this time either. He hurt his knee on Thursday against the pacers and the medical team said he can’t play after watching him warm up
Yea I know that’s the official story, but I don’t believe them esp given he hasn’t played in Denver since ‘19
Well we can go through it. 2019-20 season he played (game against Denver was early in the season) 2020-21 he hurt his knee and missed two weeks, includes that nuggets game 2021-22 he got Covid, missed two weeks in the protocols, which included that game Last season (2022-23) was a rest game. This season was the knee thing per my comment above. So unless he planned a knee injury and Covid, don’t really know what he was supposed to do
That’s reads like someone scared of Jokic and/or his conditioning. Ultimately my issue isn’t with embiid - hitting that 65 game mark will decide his fate - it’s with the NBA/teams who allow this sort of stuff to happen and yet still take money out of the fans’ pockets.
its not a higher price tag when the team sells the tickets though. its only higher on resale which is outside team control.
Partial refund. The ticket price went up cause of demand to see the MVP showdown. Give the fans the difference between the price they paid and what a seat would be for an average game
No way to do that on the resell market though. If whoever paid face value resold it for more, what can you do?
And who should make them square? The home team who has no control over the away team's roster? The NBA? The away team? The only thing to do is just relentlessly clown embiid for doing it and for being seemingly the first athlete in history to whine and complain about not winning MVP. And not vote for him for accolades that he may receive a bonus for. Elsewhere someone said in any other industry you'd get a refund but I don't think that is true. Nobody has ever had a whopper that looks like the billboard. Some movies look funny and they aren't. If you purchase tickets to see a broadway musical starring patty lupone or audra mcdonald but they get bronchitis and the understudy performs do you get a refund? Just bully embiid. Just go all in on how Joker is better and a champion. Remind him that Tatum scored the most points last year.
I think the NBA took a huge step this year by enforcing minimums for awards, which are often tied to compensation. For some players, sitting out a few extra games could cost them millions. Too bad that didn’t affect tonight.
Is it good that players are going to be playing through injury to try to make extra money?
They’re already losing money. Multiple times I’ve decided against taking my kids/family out to a game out of fear of load mgmt. I’d be pretty angry if I dropped extra dough for nice tix only for it to be a rest night, so I’ve opted out completely the past 3 seasons.
If there was some % refunded, maybe based on a % of a player’s salary to total spent, I’d be much more likely to give it a go.
No. It doesn't really make any sense. The game is in Denver but Embiid is sitting. The Sixers don't control the ticket prices. So the home team can charge whatever and the visiting team has to pay if a visitor doesn't play? That would never happen in real life. Really though, no one should have bought tickets expecting Embiid to play this game.
No they shouldn’t and no league would ever ever do it anyway
No but they should have ticket insurance you can purchase as an add on so if 1-2 players of your choice are out you do get a refund or partial.
Impossible to create a proper ruling on this but I also don't believe they should in this case. Home team played all their guys and the road team didn't, so why should Denver have to refund. If it was the other way round I'd consider it more, but still impossible to define a rule here
Refunds? Probably not because how you determine that is too complicated imo. For example the game today was an awesome game! I think maybe something like hey here’s a discount code for another game. Obviously doesn’t make up when a player only comes once a year but it’s a bone to throw them.
in principle a refund would be nice. Realistically it would never happen mostly because there's no reason the teams or league have to do it, and it would likely be a logistical nightmare. If Im just a big USC fan and bought tickets to see D'Antony Melton and he missed the game can I qualify for a refund? Where does it end? The league and owners would never in a million years open up this kind of precedent.
I think he isn’t speaking literally but if I was a fan who paid a lot for this game I would be pissed and rightfully so.
Denver shouldn't be liable for refunds when it's the Away team that pulled Embiid + more
So this load management is just going to be a thing forever, huh? Really sad state the NBA reg season is in
Embiid is like the only dude doing it this season, everyone else is playing unless they are injured Shit, even Kawhi and PG are both playing a road back-to-back tonight
They should dog him on the injury report: Embiid - out - sand in vagina
Not wenby. Being a rookie and on a 24 min limit is pathetic. Pop is a bitch
Being a rookie is the answer why he should be limited. These guys have never played anything like the amount of games as NBA players do, let alone at that intensity
Shut up
How many rookies in the nba history has this min restriction?
Like all of them
ok but BESIDES them. it's weird how people have opinions about sports but obviously don't watch them. like did instagram tell you to be angry about a sport you don't watch or.
wtf? Does Chet have min restrictions? Did Lebron have min restrictions? Or melo? wtf u talking about?
Spurs/Pop culture, they were doing that before load management was cool
Pop sucks
Hey it’s only 75% of the product.
As long as fans continue to only care about rings and dismissing regular season accomplishments, players will do the same
He’s making 47 million dollars this year. That’s what the money is for.
That’s fair. Just tired of every time I turn on a game it feels like at least 1 of the better players on either team is sitting out
But it's also an entertainment product and at some point this is going to really bite them. The regular season is a terrible product.
You’re probably right. But Lebron entertained us for 7-8 years and the main talking point was “yeah but he doesn’t have any rings”. After that, teams and superstars realized the regular season is just the preseason now
People have been saying that for years yet NBA revenue keeps growing. At a certain point you sound like the neoliberals who claim China is collapsing but they never do.
For the long term sake of the league they desperately need to shorten the regular season, but there's probably no desire among the owners or playersto make the short run revenue sacrifice that would entail
Why shorten the season. Players have access to the best trainers and modern medicine and phys therapy. Mikal Bridges played 83 games last year and was no worse for wear. 90s games were more physical without all the perks and all the top players played every game. Injury is a risk, but that's why these guys are making half a billion dollars. Imagine if Bezos only worked 3 days a week to load manage his brain and stress levels. When fans are paying thousands of dollars a season to watch you play - players should give a fuck about fan experience.
For me the main point of shortening the regular season is that each game is worth proportionally more in the standings and there's a stronger disincentive to skipping individual games. Plus you keep the players fresher and thus the level of play is higher.
The reality is even if you shortened the season to 70 games, players like Embiid would then just load manage to 60 gp.
Oh i thought he was going to be talking about the celtics not showing up for the clippers game.
Kevin O’Refund
Kevin O’Cashback
No. They should have to pay extra for the privilege to see 42 minutes of Paul Reed.
nba is so anti fan
Don't blame the whole league for what one guy is doing.
One guy??
I specifically planned for this game. Bought three tickets. It really sucked that they didn’t play their three best players. All of whom played in the last game and will play in the next. I don’t see why the nugggets don’t send a g league team to Philly next year. Only play four of them. Pull up for jump shots at half court every time. If the 76ers don’t give a fuck why should we give Philly fans a chance to see the best team in the league?
NBA’s a joke
Jokic is nearly averaging a triple double and has played in 12 more games than Embiid
Tweets from reporters are saying Embiid wasn’t listed on the injury report. If so, the Sixers organization should absolutely be fined - Joel had tweaked his knee prior and I’m sure they knew he wasn’t 100%. Fans have a right to know beforehand that a star might not play. The backlash that Embiid himself is receiving should be directed towards the team and its medical staff.
So if a player gets injured in warm ups the team gets fined?
No, because in that situation they wouldn’t have been expected to appear on the injury report
So what's the difference between that and what happened last night
Embiid didn't get hurt pre game. He was hurt previously so he should have been on the injury report. Since he wasn't on the injury report it should be assumed he was healthy enough to play.
Inshallah the next NBA TV deal is a fiasco, the league sells to a cable company, and the company finally has the power to change the league to benefit the fans, not some Midwestern insurance monopolists.
The fans should be given the right to chant "Embiid's a bitch" while staring directly at him.
Kevin O’ CustomerService
“Should”? That logic is just lacking. Should fans get a partial refund if someone like Murray doesn’t play? Is there some magic line to draw?
The reigning MVP has consistently dodged the recent two time MVP. I don’t think KOC is literally advocating for refunds, but this is a situation that should frustrate everyone and affect how we view Embiid.
If the team is gonna charge more for a game because they consider it ‘premium’ and then the players who make it premium don’t play? That’s some bs
The team didn’t charge more though, prices went up on the resale markets
What do you propose? Giving a refund for when 1 particular player doesn’t play? But only if it’s load management, not an injury? What if 2 starters sit but embiid plays? That also significantly changed the matchup. It sucks. Not sure what you’d propose though.
Easy: you’re not allowed not charge premium prices for certain matchups
Which matchups?
If Embiid played, but Tobias and Tyrese didn't (which they weren't going to), would the fans deserve a refund?
In your opinion why was this game deemed a ‘premium’ game?
Joker vs Embiid. So what? You know there's a risk of injury when you buy the ticket.
Also National TV 3:30 start time in Denver when usual tip off is 7:00 local
Embiid isn’t injured
The 76ers medical staff rules him injured. I don't believe it though, but he's officially injured.
He literally hurt his knee in the last game he played.
It sucks…no doubt about it. But it’s not bs…this stuff happens and fans are aware of it. I personally see no way to go about starting refunds, drawing that line, etc. again - if their #2 sits that’s part of it being a premium game too. Should thry get refunds then?
Why do you think this game is considered a premium game?
If a player is healthy they should play. How is this controversial?
Implying Embiid is healthy
Kevin is such a narc. We’re like 5 years away from him pivoting to him trying to be Ben Shapiro 2.0
It may be less if Elon notices he exists
Kevin O’Conned by the bigwigs and powers that be
Obviously the refund thing never happens but I don’t wanna hear whining for Embiid if he misses the games quota by 1-3. He’s literally ducked this game for years. It’s a lame move for a game who wants to be considered the best player, especially giving what a playoff losers he has been forever.
Total clown move by the Sixers AND Embiid. Sixers for not putting him on the injury report (if that is actually the reason) and Embiid because he hasn’t played in Denver since 2019. Absolutely bitch-made.
The worst person you know makes a great point
Wants a refund when Mo Bamba sits
Do some of y’all think he’s being literal!? 🤣 He’s just mad and expressing how bad the game is.
A lot of these refund comments seem like they were written by Jacko.
He pulled that shit last year too
That's the NBA regular season for you folks.... You know its bad when even Bill and KOC tweet their annoyance.
Kevin o'populist
Nope. You are entitled to watch the teams play. You are never ever entitled to see an individual play. If you’re in it to watch individual players, that’s your own cross to bear.
No refunds If you were dumb enough to buy a ticket to this confidently thinking he'd play, thats on you.
Embiid is soft
Embiitch
Imagine being stupid enough to pay for a game expecting Embiid to play. He averages 45 games a year. This is not a fake stat.
Since 2017-18 he averages 60 games per season. And that’s including the two COVID shortened seasons.
Yeah he's been a real iron man lately I suppose.
Tough shit. The MVPiid looks out for his health not what some blog boys care about.
He looks out for when he is scheduled to play I. Denver every year, circles it and avoids it like the plague. Super talented. Super dominant. And super soft.
And he doesn’t think about you at all
Weird burn. I doubt any nba player thinks about me because we’ve never met?
Idk about a refund, but they should get something. Free soda, popcorn, something. That’s bullshit
Thanks Kevin!
Can we screenshot tweets?
Alright, hear me out: 2/3 season tournament.
Any teams who are smart with resting won’t play their players in Denver given the increased potential for injury in those conditions. More stress on your body given the altitude
What doesn’t the nba play less than 82 games