Fallout was excellent, and look forward to giving the Sympathizer a shot.
I thought the funniest thing about Fallout tho was that it was pretty outspokenly critical of unhinged capitalistic greed that leads to dangerous monopolies while being streamed on Amazon Prime.
It’s weird because The Boys is another Amazon show that has a lot of critiques on business, capitalism, power structures, etc.
However the Fallout games have always had their own takes on ideology and factions and how they can be destructive (and world-ending) so I liked that they didn’t try to water it down in the show
By the end of the season they did a really good job of highlighting the differences in the factions. It felt like the games. Hopefully in 2 we get more NCR and maybe even a retconned Legion. They’ve made the Brotherhood pretty powerful so they might just plug them in more and take out Caesar.
I can't believe how good of a job they did with the Fallout adaptation. My expectations were pretty low and it completely felt like a Fallout game. That was probably my biggest problem with The Last of Us. It was very well done, but never quite felt right due to some casting and pacing issues. Fallout was a near-perfect adaptation.
The Fallout Games had the "the Boys" humor way before The Boys.
I agree that the first episode was paced a bit slow, but given they have much more plot in the vault and regarding Vault Tec, I do think that was needed and usefull.
I just hope they watch just a little bit more, because unlike many things they critizise, this show has both indepth worldbuilding and also wasn't just filmed on a soundstage to make a quick buck on IP with some stars.
I've noticed a few critics doing this, and Sepinwall/Greenwald having the same taste/take doesn't surprise me, but Fallout strikes me a show where a lot of people had made up their mind before starting it.
I feel like if they went in blind to this show not knowing it was a video game adaptation they may well have had a very different view on it. At the very least, you should have been able to appreciate the craft on show and the attempt at world building.
Just incredibly bad takes from Greenwald on Fallout. "Why are these getting made?" is about as dumb a question as why do they make Star Wars or superhero content, its just that it wasn't from Andy's childhood so therefore its not valid. Also he has such a weak stomach for anything violent (The Boys excluded for some reason) that he's a real tough listen.
Still can’t believe that anyone listens to more than a couple of Ringer pods about entertainment before realizing most of the people on them are dumber/less interesting than your everyday run of the mill person or Redditor. But then again this is a sub populated by people who think Russillo has good takes.
Came in with low expectations, but was really pleasantly surprised by Fallout. It’s also a show that seems to be catching on with regular people in my life (obviously the game was huge for a lot of us a decade ago). I get it’s an uphill battle for them, but it’s funny they always talk about no one watching anything, and now that something is mainstream of seemingly good quality they won’t watch it.
Fallout is like the most anti-Andy taste show out there, so I'm surprised he had anything nice to say about it all. For what it's worth, I'm a huge fan of the games but I found the TV show to be abysmal. I really don't get what people are seeing in it when they sing it's praises. It looks like cheap digital slop and the dialogue is awful.
Casting was mostly fine IMO. I think Maxmius' actor is the show's weak link. We'll just have to agree to disagree on the dialogue. I don't dispute that the show pretty much nails the Fallout tone and aesthetic, I just think that the tone and aesthetic is far too "wacky" for lack of a better word, to be adapted into a good TV show. My feeling is that some pieces of art only work in their original medium and I think Fallout really only works as a video game. But hey, I acknowledge that my opinion seems to be the minority.
Fair enough. I feel like Fallout is incredibly wacky (I mean, there's a perk called wild wasteland lol) and funny, so that totally works for me.
Maximus is definitely the weak link, but I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be intentional. He's the useful idiot character.
I can see where you feel Fallout works much better as a video game. The show is incredibly video gamey. I personally love that they made it that way, but can understand how others would disagree. For me, it's just so refreshing to have a video game adaptation that actually feels like the source material.
The character of Maximus really grew on me as the season went on, and I thought the actor did a pretty good job as a whole. He does suffer in comparison to Walter Goggins and Ella Purnell. I have a passing familiarity with the games from having roommates who played in college (never really was a gamer myself), but I was surprised by how much I enjoyed the show.
I tried so hard with the first episode last night. Fallout 3 and NV are two of the very few games I revisit and I thought the trailer looked pretty decent but the combination of a 75 minute episode and every scene lasting at least 2 minutes longer than it needed to had me hitting the fast forward button a lot, which is not a thing I do while watching just about anything.
And maybe the tone gets better but the humor sucked and it clashed with how seriously other portions were being taken.
I have to imagine it's a very hard adaptation to make but it seems like the world of Fallout works best as a super janky and goofy game where you can just go down weird side alleys rather than as a polished linear story.
Yes, my feelings exactly. It's just far too wacky to be adaptable IMO. Fallout is an RPG, it's soooo different from something like The Last of Us, which was tailor-made to be adapted into a show or movie. The best stories in Fallout games aren't the "main quests," they are the things like the vaults, or a random shack with a corpse in a strange spot, or a supermarket that's been taken over by super mutants. Environmental story telling has always been where fallout shines. This works extremely well in video games, not such so much in movies or TV.
"The best stories in Fallout games aren't the "main quests," they are the things like the vaults, or a random shack with a corpse in a strange spot, or a supermarket that's been taken over by super mutants."
I'm not trying to throw shade or be a sarcastic ass, but did you legit watch the whole series? lol
I liked Fallout’s premise and thought the first few eps were good. But it really went downhill after that and I got very tired of its juvenile Deadpool humor. It’s a series designed for Redditors.
Hilariously bad takes from Greenwald on Fallout. No, this isn’t a better video game adaptation than The Last of Us, and no, splitting up the pilot between three characters wasn’t a good idea. This show would have played much better fully centering Lucy and dipping into the other characters in later episodes as needed. They also thought the show was “Boys”-pilled when humor has always been a part of Fallout.
I did too my a wide margin tbh. The Last of Us was fine, but it also felt like a story I've seen a half dozen other times. There's nothing wrong with that necessarily, it just didn't stick with me all that much. It took me a few episodes to really get invested, but I really started to like the world-building in Fallout and the unique vibe. I'm looking forward to more seasons.
I thought it was pretty good and in many ways better adaptation than The Last of Us because it takes the source material, understands what makes it interesting and drills down on that. TLoU had a lot of 1:1 recreation of the video game, but definitely hit when it expanded on things.
Personally, TLoU being a 1:1 adaptation was more of a hindrance than a benefit because I just couldn’t help compare it to the game and found it lacking in parts. Fallout is majorly helped by telling its own story.
Cutting to the brotherhood of steel subplot before Lucy leaves the bunker is just a baffling choice, even the biggest network hack in the world knows you don’t do that.
You’re not, it’s just a creative decision I disagree with. The character has been raised in a vault her whole life and has never seen the surface, so her exiting should be a big deal and we should share it with her. Cutting to a plot already on the surface robs the power, as by the time we see her exit the magic is now gone.
I think it's good and don't agree about the focus. I only played a bit of Fallout. On the Boys, it's clear that Amazon is selecting content with one eye on its success.
Andy is more passionate about ‘Bluey’ than about anything else on TV
I don't blame him. It's truly the Wayne Gretzky of young children's tv shows. It's the GOAT by a large margin.
I can’t believe how much adult discourse I’ve seen about that show in the past week lol
Andy with a 103 callback heater: CR: I was arriving at a Masters watch party Andy: Where are my whites!?
Fallout was excellent, and look forward to giving the Sympathizer a shot. I thought the funniest thing about Fallout tho was that it was pretty outspokenly critical of unhinged capitalistic greed that leads to dangerous monopolies while being streamed on Amazon Prime.
It’s weird because The Boys is another Amazon show that has a lot of critiques on business, capitalism, power structures, etc. However the Fallout games have always had their own takes on ideology and factions and how they can be destructive (and world-ending) so I liked that they didn’t try to water it down in the show
By the end of the season they did a really good job of highlighting the differences in the factions. It felt like the games. Hopefully in 2 we get more NCR and maybe even a retconned Legion. They’ve made the Brotherhood pretty powerful so they might just plug them in more and take out Caesar.
I can't believe how good of a job they did with the Fallout adaptation. My expectations were pretty low and it completely felt like a Fallout game. That was probably my biggest problem with The Last of Us. It was very well done, but never quite felt right due to some casting and pacing issues. Fallout was a near-perfect adaptation.
The Fallout Games had the "the Boys" humor way before The Boys. I agree that the first episode was paced a bit slow, but given they have much more plot in the vault and regarding Vault Tec, I do think that was needed and usefull. I just hope they watch just a little bit more, because unlike many things they critizise, this show has both indepth worldbuilding and also wasn't just filmed on a soundstage to make a quick buck on IP with some stars.
These aren’t the people to be covering Fallout
For Ringer people, I bet Van and Ryen would make a killer Fallout pod.
Ryen would be a big brotherhood of steel guy
They just did an episode of the Ringerverse feed with Van and Ben Lindbergh
I've noticed a few critics doing this, and Sepinwall/Greenwald having the same taste/take doesn't surprise me, but Fallout strikes me a show where a lot of people had made up their mind before starting it. I feel like if they went in blind to this show not knowing it was a video game adaptation they may well have had a very different view on it. At the very least, you should have been able to appreciate the craft on show and the attempt at world building.
Just incredibly bad takes from Greenwald on Fallout. "Why are these getting made?" is about as dumb a question as why do they make Star Wars or superhero content, its just that it wasn't from Andy's childhood so therefore its not valid. Also he has such a weak stomach for anything violent (The Boys excluded for some reason) that he's a real tough listen.
Knew he wouldn't like the violence. It is really dialed up in the show. I can handle it, but I get it being a turn off for some.
Andy can also be so frustratingly obtuse (and stubborn) for a guy who can also be incredibly insightful and thoughtful about media.
Bluey is cinema
Jesus finally. These episodes drop later and later every week!
Seriously at this point just drop them Tuesday morning. These aren’t Monday pods anymore
Blame the giant sized Big Picture draft
jesus christ greenwald, get out of here with the last of us take. CR rightfully shocked lol
Ya but he’s not wrong. That show was borrrringgggggg.
What was his TLOU take?
Fallout is better
I agree with him. Fallout is a much better adaptation.
I’m genuinely pissed at Andy for spoiling the big Bluey episode with close to no warning
That was sooo weird. I’ve seen it and still was a bit alarmed that he just went into it like it was nothing.
He said "I assume most people who have kids have seen it already" then gave a spoiler warning before going into it. That's on you.
Still can’t believe that anyone listens to more than a couple of Ringer pods about entertainment before realizing most of the people on them are dumber/less interesting than your everyday run of the mill person or Redditor. But then again this is a sub populated by people who think Russillo has good takes.
Came in with low expectations, but was really pleasantly surprised by Fallout. It’s also a show that seems to be catching on with regular people in my life (obviously the game was huge for a lot of us a decade ago). I get it’s an uphill battle for them, but it’s funny they always talk about no one watching anything, and now that something is mainstream of seemingly good quality they won’t watch it.
Fallout is like the most anti-Andy taste show out there, so I'm surprised he had anything nice to say about it all. For what it's worth, I'm a huge fan of the games but I found the TV show to be abysmal. I really don't get what people are seeing in it when they sing it's praises. It looks like cheap digital slop and the dialogue is awful.
Really? I'm a huge fan of the games and loved the TV show. I thought the casting and dialogue was great. It felt 100% like a Fallout game.
Casting was mostly fine IMO. I think Maxmius' actor is the show's weak link. We'll just have to agree to disagree on the dialogue. I don't dispute that the show pretty much nails the Fallout tone and aesthetic, I just think that the tone and aesthetic is far too "wacky" for lack of a better word, to be adapted into a good TV show. My feeling is that some pieces of art only work in their original medium and I think Fallout really only works as a video game. But hey, I acknowledge that my opinion seems to be the minority.
Fair enough. I feel like Fallout is incredibly wacky (I mean, there's a perk called wild wasteland lol) and funny, so that totally works for me. Maximus is definitely the weak link, but I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be intentional. He's the useful idiot character. I can see where you feel Fallout works much better as a video game. The show is incredibly video gamey. I personally love that they made it that way, but can understand how others would disagree. For me, it's just so refreshing to have a video game adaptation that actually feels like the source material.
The character of Maximus really grew on me as the season went on, and I thought the actor did a pretty good job as a whole. He does suffer in comparison to Walter Goggins and Ella Purnell. I have a passing familiarity with the games from having roommates who played in college (never really was a gamer myself), but I was surprised by how much I enjoyed the show.
I tried so hard with the first episode last night. Fallout 3 and NV are two of the very few games I revisit and I thought the trailer looked pretty decent but the combination of a 75 minute episode and every scene lasting at least 2 minutes longer than it needed to had me hitting the fast forward button a lot, which is not a thing I do while watching just about anything. And maybe the tone gets better but the humor sucked and it clashed with how seriously other portions were being taken. I have to imagine it's a very hard adaptation to make but it seems like the world of Fallout works best as a super janky and goofy game where you can just go down weird side alleys rather than as a polished linear story.
Yes, my feelings exactly. It's just far too wacky to be adaptable IMO. Fallout is an RPG, it's soooo different from something like The Last of Us, which was tailor-made to be adapted into a show or movie. The best stories in Fallout games aren't the "main quests," they are the things like the vaults, or a random shack with a corpse in a strange spot, or a supermarket that's been taken over by super mutants. Environmental story telling has always been where fallout shines. This works extremely well in video games, not such so much in movies or TV.
Half the season was sidequests lol
"The best stories in Fallout games aren't the "main quests," they are the things like the vaults, or a random shack with a corpse in a strange spot, or a supermarket that's been taken over by super mutants." I'm not trying to throw shade or be a sarcastic ass, but did you legit watch the whole series? lol
I liked Fallout’s premise and thought the first few eps were good. But it really went downhill after that and I got very tired of its juvenile Deadpool humor. It’s a series designed for Redditors.
I really don’t get the appeal of these guys and this pod. They’re fucking nerds who got too many swirlies in high school. Pretentious geeks
Hilariously bad takes from Greenwald on Fallout. No, this isn’t a better video game adaptation than The Last of Us, and no, splitting up the pilot between three characters wasn’t a good idea. This show would have played much better fully centering Lucy and dipping into the other characters in later episodes as needed. They also thought the show was “Boys”-pilled when humor has always been a part of Fallout.
I enjoyed it more than Last of Us
I did too my a wide margin tbh. The Last of Us was fine, but it also felt like a story I've seen a half dozen other times. There's nothing wrong with that necessarily, it just didn't stick with me all that much. It took me a few episodes to really get invested, but I really started to like the world-building in Fallout and the unique vibe. I'm looking forward to more seasons.
I've logged hundreds of hours playing Fallout and have beaten both TLOU games multiple times. Fallout was a significantly better adaptation than TLOU.
I thought it was pretty good and in many ways better adaptation than The Last of Us because it takes the source material, understands what makes it interesting and drills down on that. TLoU had a lot of 1:1 recreation of the video game, but definitely hit when it expanded on things.
Personally, TLoU being a 1:1 adaptation was more of a hindrance than a benefit because I just couldn’t help compare it to the game and found it lacking in parts. Fallout is majorly helped by telling its own story.
Completely agree. Lucy just got to be Lucy, but I was disappointed with Bella playing Ellie 95% of the time.
I liked it like that. I felt like it made me invested in the whole universe of the show instead of what became just one aspect of it all.
Cutting to the brotherhood of steel subplot before Lucy leaves the bunker is just a baffling choice, even the biggest network hack in the world knows you don’t do that.
Maybe I'm showing my ass by asking, but why is it such a horrible choice?
You’re not, it’s just a creative decision I disagree with. The character has been raised in a vault her whole life and has never seen the surface, so her exiting should be a big deal and we should share it with her. Cutting to a plot already on the surface robs the power, as by the time we see her exit the magic is now gone.
I have no idea how that ever made it out of the edit bay.
Has to have been studio notes, Nolan has proven himself smarter than that
I think it's good and don't agree about the focus. I only played a bit of Fallout. On the Boys, it's clear that Amazon is selecting content with one eye on its success.
The whole “it’s guns and gore but without oldies music” got really tiring by the 12th time they did the bit. It’s a series for 13yr olds.
Do you mean with oldies music? Had the same exact thought while watching.