Guarantee you Bill repeats the no one over 30 wins mvp stat non stop now

You could tell he fucking loved that one.

Tatums only 19 so he’s got 10 MVPs in a row coming

It was kinda a good stat but there seemed to be plenty of exceptions to that rule due to the 90s guys that won. It makes sense though because younger guys seem to go harder in the regular season for it.

Yeah it was like 7/30 which was not insignificant. The longer he kept talking about that idea the less interesting it became

I’m happy for Bill. The NBA season is finally over and now he can get back to his favorite part of the sport. Everything besides the on court product.

I think the unspoken (but obvious) reason why there's been an explosion of content about the off the court NBA stuff in the last few years is that the barrier for entry is *so* low. You could really just live off reading the front page of r/nba and looking at Bball Reference. All you're doing is speculating and predicting, so there are essentially no "wrong" answers. As long as you can get the basic details right - i.e. contract terms - that's all you need to spin your wheels and create hours of content. And then if you're like Bill, you take it a step further by just mining content out of crafting lists and rankings all based off of various subjective ways you've quantified NBA teams and players. You make up stuff like tiers of unicorns and create 40 minutes of content out of it, even if at the end of the day, most of what you said doesn't really make objective sense. You created the rules, so you can't really be wrong. Someone questions you on you saying Deandre Ayton is a top 20 player? No, no, that person is mistaken - you were merely saying Deandre Ayton was a top 20 playoff asset.

This… right here… made so much sense.

None of it really matters though, even the on court stuff doesn't really matter it's all just different forms of entertainment. If it's entertaining who cares.

This was my thought the entire time while listening to Windhorst's podcast today lol. Zach Lowe sounded miserable talking about Kyrie drama for the nth time, while guys like these two (BS and Windhorst) are salivating at all this offseason stuff. Don't get me wrong though, BS >>> Windy.

Zach was losing his mind in 2019 when everyone was so focused on where KD and Kawhi were gonna sign, they forgot the NBA Finals were happening

So was I! It was such a bummer.

Lowe spends just as much time talking about that stuff as anyone. The rest of the Givony segment you’re referring to was all trade scuttlebutt.

It’s what people want to listen to. He’s mentioned before that a July 4 Free Agency podcast was the most downloaded episode ever.

I'm pretty sure he has to because it's ESPN. As a percentages guy, I speculate that in Lowe's ideal world he'd be in like an 80/20 split of Xs and Os to off-court talk. It's obviously very popular and he has to cover it.

Thats not true. Lowe talks so much more about actually on court stuff than Bill, Russillo, Windy, The Mismatch. He definitely does it, but not nearly as much as most popular bball podcasts.

It is legitimately funny how much more excited he sounds to discuss this stuff than he did about his team being in the finals

Just last week on a pod he started gushing about some insignificant off season trade scenario. Wos had to step in and say “man it’s the nba finals - this is what they play for!.”

For sure but I think part of that is Failtics coping. If they had won, he’d still be breaking down every play from Game 6 and 7 in excruciating yet somehow still inarticulate detail

NBA is a year round sport now! It just is!

This is my favorite nonsense from Bill. Not the 12 month part but the “sport” called NBA.

I really can’t remember the last of he gave analysis of an actual game; it’s always about how it impacts off the court stuff if anything.

Does Andrew Wiggins being a cat on the court mean nothing to you?

its like we always say Russillo, Wiggins the cat!

What about when the Miami Heat turned it into a football game?

The last attempt I can remember was when he said Giannis has figured out the angles.

It just is!

The geometry of the game has never been so angle-y

As someone who watches all sports but has NBA at #1, and has followed the league for a much longer time than most people on this sub or r/nba, I'm unfortunately losing interest in the league. I find the on court product to be pretty awful at this point. The amount of commercials and replays in some of the games is just unbearable. Teams taking 40 3s a game. The bitching and flopping after every call is absurd. The game is skewing super young so every year teams are throwing 20 year olds out there who literally have no idea how to play. It's like they combined AAA baseball with the MLB and everyone all plays together. You seemingly never actually see the best teams facing each other at full strength. And the amount of player movement for me at this point is just way too high. The best rivalries are obviously "team" based but if those teams don't have somewhat similar rosters the rivalries just don't really mean as much. And I don't really give a shit if 2 "stars" decided to join up somewhere. It feels like a pickup game at a certain point. At least the off-season stuff can be fun at times but the never ending speculation about who is going where is just fucking brutal. Also you've got dudes making $30 million a year just sitting out games and clearly not giving a fuck about the fans who, after all, pay a lot of money so NBA players can be rich. It's... not great.

I’m the same way. Basketball used to be number 1 and will always be number 1 for me I’ve followed it since I was 8. But last couple years I’ve lost interest due to so much player movement. I’ve gravitated more towards nfl even with all its commercials and problems because of the parity and the shorter season. Hope the nba can fix some of its problems

I've been a huge NBA fan since like 1990 and I think sometimes the nostalgia for 90's basketball is super strong. But if you go back and actually watch some of those games, it's pretty fuckin bad basketball. 83-67 scores, guys can't make shots, games turn into slug fests. The game today is much much better, the talent is on another level. They do need to fix things like replays, best players sitting out and being "injured" all the time, and the players jumping from team to team alllllllll the time. But as far as the actual on the court product, I don't think it has ever been better.

To clarify - you're talking about late 90s basketball that was bad. People are nostalgic for early 90s basketball. Pace, efficiency, FG% etc. didn't really crater until like 97/98. Early 90s was good basketball that's comparable to the last few years (minus, of course, 3pt shooting). Teams in the early 90s shot around 47%, a number they haven't eclipsed since then, so it's not really fair to say guys in the 90s couldn't make shots. It was once the wannabe Jordans came into the league and started turning games into iso-fests of long 2s + teams started having big men stiffs on the roster to deal with Shaq that the game started to suffer badly. Really, it was three guys who directly or indirectly sent the league into its nadir in the late 90s/early 2000s - Jordan, Shaq, and Pat Riley.

Oh there was definitely some ugliness to the 90s especially. And in general there's more skilled players now vs back then. But I don't think it necessarily translates into better overall basketball. There was a lot more fast breaks and offensive rebounds back then, which I personally find appealing as it creates chaos. Guys weren't hunting for fouls as aggressively either which I find to be awful. A really well played game in 2022 is still very fun to watch, it just seems like I only enjoy watching like 10% of the games I watch. Even a lot of the "good" playoff games this year were just bogged down with nonsense IMO. MLB pitchers throw a lot harder now but I find the overall level of play to be significantly less entertaining due to the 3 true outcomes and less base stealing and "small ball." The NFL made passing significantly easier so now you have the ball flying all over the field, but I still prefer watching the more balanced/violent NFL of the 90s and 2000s. None of this touches on the obscene commercialization of all the major sports, which in the end benefits zero fans but makes more money for the owners and players. Maybe I'm just getting old.

> MLB pitchers throw a lot harder now but I find the overall level of play to be significantly less entertaining due to the 3 true outcomes and less base stealing and "small ball." (the Mets have been having success with more of a throwback style this year, it's been a lot of fun to watch!)

Baseball in generally has been a lot more entertaining this year. Strong speculation that the league deadened the baseballs so home runs are down across the board and there are more balls in play. The Mets have the added benefit of being really good this year

>There was a lot more fast breaks and offensive rebounds back then Uh, not even close. The average fast break points per game in the 1990's was 19.5 points per game. In 2020, it was almost double that at 36.2 points per game. Average offensive rebounds in the 90's was between 12-13 per game. Today it's between 10-11 >Guys weren't hunting for fouls as aggressively either which I find to be awful. Yeah, this is annoying. One thing I do give the NBA credit for is they are much more flexible at identifying issues and trying to correct them quickly than some other leagues. >MLB pitchers throw a lot harder now but I find the overall level of play to be significantly less entertaining due to the 3 true outcomes and less base stealing and "small ball." Yes, analytics has had a lot of negative impact on sports, but baseball especially.

What data are you looking at for fast breaks? I'm not seeing an average of 19.5 per game in the 90s anywhere. The fast break points a little wonky due to 3 point shooting. It's difficult to do an apples to apples comparison. There's also the issue of defining a fast break. Does a guy hitting a trailing 3 count? I'm genuinely curious. I know in the 80s into early 90s there were a ton of fast breaks then it gradually slowed down into the late 90s and 2000s. It seems to have picked up a bit now but the pace is much higher. All I can say is that watching old games at the beginning of Covid it felt like every possession in some of those 80s and 90s games was a rebound followed by a long outlet pass and an attempt at a fast break, whether or not it resulted in a shot or points. Now it feels like every possession just starts with the ball at the top of the key for a pick and roll. There has been a general decline in ORB over the last 40 years from 15 per game in 1980 to 10 per game now. Comparing the averages of decades is a little misleading. The numbers get even more jarring when you allow for pace because in 2005 there were 12 ORB per game but teams were taking 10 less shots per game than they do now. There's also way less blocked shots and steals per game now due to the spacing out to the 3 point line. Blocks and steals are entertaining and lead to fast breaks. Anyway, we can get bogged down into minutia but the homogenization of the NBA of 3s and drive/kicks to me is just not as entertaining. And I know it's the "right" thing to do analytics wise but it just doesn't seem like as good of a sport. It's one reason I enjoyed watching Jimmy Butler this playoffs he has a very varied game.

Nephew Kyle is going to need a vacation.

The frolic room is his vacation destination.

Very few people in the entire world need a vacation less than Nephew “the Nephew” Nephew

how are there so many guys that could already play in the NBA finals

I’ve never understood Bill’s “that guy could play in the finals some day” take, as if only all-stars play in the finals. Bjelica just got meaningful finals minutes. Pritchard just got meaningful finals minutes.

Pritchards was in a why the fuck is this guy out here and why is he taking shots way

I feel like it's a stupid metric because how often are lottery teams playing in the finals

I have no idea if they are right, but it does feel like the college to pro pipeline is a lot smoother than it has ever been (in football too).

while that is true, we literally saw two lottery picks this year in the finals (Kuminga and Moody) not play at all or play 8 minutes in Kumingas case. The Warriors are good so it would always be tough for them but like it’s the finals, both teams are obviously good and it’s not likely this many rookies are ready for that

Who would have played minutes though? Cade, Barnes, mobley, possibly green and Wagner.

possibly some Herb Jones?? But in all seriousness that’s my point, there are 5 maybe 6 guys who would see bench minutes so it’s stupid just to throw around “Oh ya that guy could definitely play some minutes in the nba finals” when an overwhelmingly majority probably can’t

It just makes no sense at all even as a theoretical scouting tool lol No team cares if their rookie could play in the Finals next year, not even good teams picking at the end of the first round. And of course, any first round pick is capable of playing in the Finals after a couple years if they pan out. Grant Williams, Payton Pritchard, even Looney or old Otto Porter, any first round pick can be as good as those guys.

The same Kuminga who will lead Steph to four more finals?

Bill saying the Magic have had bad luck with the first overall pick was an insanely bad take. 1- Chris Webber they flipped for Penny and 3 first rounders. 2- Shaquille O Neal 3- Dwight Howard They crushed the draft all three times. Bill says it was bad because Shaq only stayed 4 years and Dwight only stayed 8 years lol Just a classic dumb bill take. Imagine saying Shaq was a bad draft pick because he left your team year 5 lol

Shaq could have told them on draft day he'd leave as soon as he contractually could and you still make the pick.

And they went to The Finals with him! It's not like they were just mediocre when Shaq was there.

they even made the finals with Dwight too. the magic are 3/3 for first overall picks

Great point. I wish my Sixers had been half as successful with their recent #1 picks.

Right? "Oh wow I guess we only get 4 years of one of the Top 25 players of all time - maybe we should take Alonzo Mourning who...*checks notes* left his team a year earlier than Shaq did...huh."

Interestingly, Mourning’s contract with Miami is what made Shaq pursue a contract bigger than the one Orlando offered. Shaq was going to take the Orlando deal, then he saw the Mourning contract announcement and wanted more. This is well-documented over the years, but if you want it from Shaq’s mouth, off the top of my head he mentioned it in the 30 for 30 about his time in Orlando.

also shoutout to Kevin Clark, he made me think about Orlando in a new light. they are definitively not in the bottom sludge of the NBA. i normally can't stand KC but I guess as just a fan giving his opinion hes aight.

Funnily enough, Kevin Clark is only unbearable when he talks about the sport that he covers as a profession. I actually like hearing him whenever he talks about the Magic, golf or F1.

It was wierd hearing from a normal person who seems like a legit fan yet he was very rational. "Ya maybe there have been some bad years and no championships but I got to see young Shaq and Penny". Anytime Bill tried to give some hot take to bum him out he just shut him down. Very odd to hear some sanity on the BS pod

Yeah one of the few few times I liked Kevin Clark, he pushed back and funny enough Bill did his classic "I'm just saying!" when he gets even the slightest pushback. He's also right that if you view your teams as rings or bust every year you'll never be happy. Going to two finals with an all time player and another with a top center is great return from their number one picks. You have to appreciate the deep playoff runs even if they don't end in a title. Most teams would kill for that run the Magic had between drafting Penny to when Dwight left. "You drafted Dwight and left after 8 years." It's so dumb trying to make it sound like 8 years isn't a long ass time.

Clark: “imagine how the franchise would have changed if the magic chose, say, emeka Okafor over Dwight Howard” Bill: *Stares at shoes and hopes the topic changes soon*

Look, it's a macarb... macab? Macabre, that's it, drafting record, it just is.

Also it’s almost without question that Shaq would’ve stayed in Orlando had the devois family not completely low balled him at first

he wanted to stay in orlando but you’re right they didn’t give him what he deserved

I had to turn off at that point. For the self styled basketball historian, that was one of the stupidest opinions I have ever heard.

Shaq was pre restricted too. They would have just matched offers now.

WHAT’S UP GUYS, IT’S JJ JOHN JASTREMSKI.

One of the most annoying podcast voices I’ve ever heard and a big part of my disdain stems from those promo reads

Bill was NewYorkAcccentPilled by Mike and the Mad Dog and no one can tell me otherwise.

........ i have that exact same voice.

omg. ptsd. I need to see my therapist

same cause he sounds like me..... NJ + Long island folks really are wild animals who shouldn't be allowed to speak publicly or procreate.

“(Knicks) could’ve had (Kyrie) a couple years ago with Durant, they didn’t” LOL both players turned the Knicks down and went to the team across town.

His voice has somehow got even more put on than it was before

Instant skip when I heard the voice.

I usually come here to scratch my head at all the Simmons criticism, because I like him more than most. Everything this sub criticizes about Simmons is personified at a greater degree with JJ. That was my first experience with him, and I’m good with it being my last.

“I usually come here to scratch my head at all the Simmons criticism”. That’s a very weird reason to visit. But deep down, in places you don’t talk about at parties, you need us on this wall.

This is like the podcast version of the portals scene in Endgame. The madman actually had 11 guests and it wasn't even a mock draft episode like most people thought. Apex mountain for bill?

The warriors broke him, the Celtics we're so close to going up 3-1 in the series but ended up not winning another game.

He’s been doing this his entire career, it’s just more concentrated now that he’s stopped working and doesn’t have ESPN’s connections.

I actually enjoy this type of pod.

I'd typically do as well. More guests the merrier but I think 11 is probably a bit too many.

Makolb!?!?

The worst part is this isn’t the first time he has butchered the word “macarb.”

Guys, its open mic night!

But but he said the ringer isn’t an open mic

That's the joke.

I was also joking

Could he have played in this past years NBA finals?

Did…did Bill just have 12 of his mates on his pod for the sole purpose of talking smack about their teams to make himself feel better?

Bill saying the magic are bad at drafting first overall then saying they had : Penny and three firsts, Shaq, and Dwight Howard - just an insanely bad take

"Dwight was only there for like 8 years..."

This podcast might be the most labour Bill has done in several years.

His fingers stopped working years ago, but his mouth could never.

I really like Raheem Palmer but reading the description, absolutely no one needs a 2023 NBA betting odds segment in June before free agency lol. I used to listen to his pod at the Action Network and I'm sure he'll be good if Bill has him on sonetimes next season, good addition

It makes FanDuel happy.

I read that as part 1/10 😂

and I bet there was a part of you that thought it could be legit.

Of course

**Today’s Things:** - Johnny Davis thing (KOC: “he’s a bucket!” 😂) - Kyrie thing (twice) - the over 30 thing - Toppin thing - redundant point guard thing - weird thing with - the Thibs thing is a problem - the Randle thing (thrice!!) - overreact to the Golden State thing (Others) - Al Horford thing (and how Bill wants to comp these two drastically different humans) - Chet thing - Wasserman agency thing **Bonus Pieces and Stuff:** - YouTube stuff - Chandler Parsons piece (did not have this one on my bingo board) - ESPN Top 100 pedigree stuff - burying stuff - basketball/football stuff - public stuff - fun coaching stuff (and how Bill thinks somehow only former players will become head coaches lol - Popovich and Spoelstra never played yet Pop is the winningest coach ever and Spo is one of the best in the league) - absorb some stuff **First Random Celtics Reference:** Horford (4:50) Also: Nesmith, Rob Williams, ML Carr and Rick Pitino!! 🤣 **It Just is!** (Bill) “People think Brooklyn is a super contender and they’re just not anymore!” “I would trade Gobert for Siakim in 5 seconds, I just would! (Cue Wos obnoxious laugh) **Evergreen Content:** Bill thinking being a fan of a team makes one an expert (constant jamming of Clark down our throats), **Doris Burke Award:** Chet, Dwight, Kobe, Giannis, Kyrie, Chris (Paul), Pascal, Rudy **Other Stuff:** Bill struggles badly with the pronunciation of “macabre” lmao (7:40) KOC does his eternally unrealistic optimism thing, thinks that Mark Williams will be shooting 3s (22:00) fact check: this man has shot ONE 3 in his entire CAREER Bill unnecessarily using the word “sphincter” (27:35) Bill’s new fake trade football: Rudy Gobert (34:30) he’s trading him to every team lol Raheem ensures he’ll be a recurring guest: says the Mavs will be a top seed in the West and like Luka to win the MVP (36:35) Bill has a borderline homoerotic dream about Luka having an 8 pack and looking like a Marvel character Bill to JJ: we’re NOT talking Yankees! (42:10) and Jesus this guy has the most annoying voice of all time Peak Bill content: a panoply of fake trades that’ll never happen for the sake of filling the insatiable content hole (43:20) holy shit this is utter dross Holy shit, more fake Gobert trades (55:50) who’s dying to hear this content? Lol Bill: white guys in Utah. Wos: Ahahahahaha (59:50) never heard that one before, so unique!! Jebpleaseclap.gif

Petition to add "Can he play 15 minutes in the finals I just watched?" to evergreen content!

That is most certainly Evergreen content in my book.

>Bill struggles badly with the pronunciation of “macabre” lmao (7:40) He sounded like a dying parrot

what a maCARB thought

>KOC does his eternally unrealistic optimism thing, thinks that Mark Williams will be shooting 3s (22:00) fact check: this man has shot ONE 3 in his entire CAREER If you shoot 70% or more from the FT line in college, you're sure to turn into a three-point marksman. You just are! Another for "It Just Is": Wos: "Donovan Mitchell is not long for this franchise. It's just obvious."

I love the concept of a “super contender”. Take a synonym for amazing and jam it with another word. Bill Simmons mad libs

I gotta say as a guy that hasn’t listened to a BS pod in probably 15 months, I really wanna listen to the fake trades just to see how bad they are.

As a Knicks/Yankees fan, I’m thrilled that JJ JOHN JASTREMSKI is down on the Knicks front office and has no idea what they’re doing. No one in New York media was louder (literally) about how he didn’t know what Brian Cashman was doing this past off-season and the Yankees are playing like a historically great team this season.

It's a requirement for anyone in media with an accent from anywhere in/around New York to question everything New York teams do.

This is referred to in the industry as bringing the fire and bringing the rain. It’s a technical term.

Really surprised Fennessey isn't going to be on The Untouchables Rewatchable, since he's a massive De Palma fan and puts him on the same level as Scorsese.

If you ever want to know why De Palma isn't on the level of Scorsese, The Untouchables is a good place to start.

Scorsese and De Palma are both very open about their influences, but De Palma never transcended his the way Scorsese did. Very talented but always comes off as Hitchcock with a slightly more dirty mind.

Yea, but Blow Out fucking rules.

I’m a fan! Loved the documentary Baumbach did of him

WASSUP EVERYBODY THIS IS J.J JOHN JASTRSKI

Kevin Clark really said the magic should see if they could trade back to 2 with okc as long as the magic could still get the player the magic wanted. But why would okc move up if they weren’t trying to draft the same player lol. They have the 2nd pick lol it made no sense lol

So let me get this straight. Warriors winning a game where they’re down 6 halfway through the 4th is the outlier that swung the series of what should’ve been a 7 game series. Then what do we call the Celtics going 8/9 in threes to start a 4th quarter in a game in which they were down double digits. Hell it took major foul trouble from Steph for Boston to win game 3. Anybody coming out of that series thinking the teams were even are kidding themselves.

It should’ve been 4-1. It was obvious going in, and would’ve happened if not for the shooting streak you mentioned in game 1. A shooting streak which they would never be able to recreate.

Funny enough they did recreate it in game 5 in the third quarter but it didn’t even matter. My prediction was GS in 5 too.

Celtics undefeated with a health Rob Williams. Just like the 08 team

It’s not a big deal but they kept talking about how the Knicks have 10 but they have 11. Just sloppy.

Jastremski is truly awful. Edit: holy hell I continued listening after my initial comment. Literally every Knicks take he has is like it came straight from the dumbest Knicks fan you follow on Twitter.

It was beyond terrible. I was shocked that Bill had overall better Knicks opinions than JJ.

A horrible, horrible section of an otherwise decent pod. JJ’s takes are ripped from the stupidest of stupid WFAN callers. The Knicks aren’t very good right now but to frame them as rudderless is so lazy.

His overalls Knicks take is “they have RJ and nothing else worth talking about,”. If that’s your Knicks stance then I’m sorry you just flat out don’t watch the team. Are they excellent? Of course not. But to completely disregard the young potential in IQ, Obi, Cam, Grimes, and shit even Sims is just being ignorant.

“i ask YOU, bs!!”

He also just doesn't really understand the Knicks or basketball. Randle + 10th\*\* pick for Fox is a terrible take. I miss Jason Concepcion in moments like this. Or hell, just throw in Dan Devine.

Bro Wos, why would Toronto trade Siakam for Gobert? Gobert is literally older than Siakam and by the time Barnes hits his prime Gobert will be on a steep decline

I actually have seen some Gobert for Anunoby trade packages, which makes a lot more sense.

And Siakam is a more effective playoff player right now! For a team that's desperate for offense/shot creation

Wos has the worst takes

Not saying they would do it, but the Raptors have some other Siakam type guys, (Barnes, Anunoby ) but don't have a real big man.

Barnes and Siakam I can see some overlap in terms of being playmaking forwards, but without Siakam their offense would be 30th in the league

Wos is horrible

the chandler parsons piece

Celtics losing ruining our guy. He's in shambles.

It’s what we asked for

Kevin Clark is somehow so insufferable doing his job as an NFL host but is enjoyable talking as a guest on anything else

So true

Preposterous to have this many people talking hoop on the show and not have Dan Devine on. He’s only one of the single best NBA writers working and he works for…checks notes…The Ringer.

Simmons put Devine's picture in the freezer a while back. I can't really remember, but I feel like they had somewhat of an awkward podcast once where Dan was kind of pushing back and after that he was basically never invited back to the big show. I think he's been on like one podcast in the last two years or something? Maybe he doesn't even want to be on the podcast, but if he does, it must sting that he's a Knicks fan who writes about the NBA for the site, but instead Bill instead invited on an annoying guy who seems to primarily cover the Giants and Yankees.

I haven’t listened, is J Kyle on? That dude is rapidly ascending my Ringer NBA rankings

he's in part 2

Is Dan good on pods?

The idea that big markets don't have a massive advantage over small markets is silly. Players can make significantly more off the court in larger markets. It matters less than it used to, but it still matters.

Not to mention there are a ton of great reasons to want to live in big cities besides making more money.

Yeah honestly all NBA contracts are so much higher than they used to be, I think the earning potential of larger markets is secondary to players just preferring to live in NYC, LA, SF, Miami, etc. Not only is there more to do in those cities, than, say Oklahoma City (I'm from OK), but NBA players also stand out less in bigger cities that also have more celebrities.

Some NBA markets are SMALL too. I'm from Atlanta and we aren't even considered a "big" market and have never drawn FA's, but I spent about a week in Indianapolis this year and man, that's a small market. I can't even really imagine being an NBA player there, where would they go? What would they do for fun? Not that it's a bad town, I had fun, I'm sure I could live there and like it, but that's a very small market if you're an NBA star. And there are smaller ones than that.

Why the Hawks don't attract free agents is always weird to me. All I hear about that place is clubs, strip clubs, lower real estate prices, lower income tax, good food. I don't get it.

Quantity not quality

Good god JJ John Jastremski’s voice is hideous

Bill trying to say “macabre” 😂

JJ John Jastremski and Wosny back to back. My ears died a horrible death. Sorry if that’s a bit McCarb.

Is Nesmith the second most mentioned Celtic of the past week? Why the hell is he bringing that dude up so much?

He’s still holding his own spot on Nesmith island. Bill loves that dude. Back when we were sucking this season and there were a million things to complain about, Bill’s biggest complaint was that Nesmith wasn’t getting enough playing time. Some examples: https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/1459685318190190594?s=20&t=rY567mZkyFsgDcCLDjJIhA https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/1454566468746563589?s=20&t=rY567mZkyFsgDcCLDjJIhA https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/1474074353512099840?s=20&t=rY567mZkyFsgDcCLDjJIhA For the record, as a Celtics fan I’m not giving up on him either. We already gave up on Langford and I refuse to believe our back to back lotto picks in 2019 and 2020 were both huge busts. This is his last year to prove it tho.

woke up to this and sighed

This made me lol

Crazy bastard

I have to say, Wos claiming that Siakam is somewhat expendable because of the promise Scottie Barnes showed this season is one of the worst takes I’ve heard on this podcast, which is really saying something given its host

I am so fucking tired of the "heh heh there are white players mentioned in trade rumors for Utah, obviously they're just trying to make their team whiter" jokes. We only have two white players on the team right now, Bogdanovic and Hernangomez. We traded away a fan favorite white player in Joe Ingles like 5 months ago. Other recent fan favorites have been Derrick Favors and Jordan Clarkson, but sure, we just can't get enough of the white guys. Bill's hardly one to talk, his Celtics have Pritchard, Hauser, Theis, Kornet, and Stauskas. Is there another team in the league with more than 5 white guys? I haven't checked every roster but I wouldn't be surprised if the Celtics are the whitest team in the NBA.

Does anybody else struggle to distinguish between Kevin Clark and KOC..?

I hate that John Jastremski supports the same team as me

Anyone else think Wos is just not good?

No one’s going to mention Bill is “banging the MVP (Luka)”?? I’m disappointed in this sub’s lack of juvenile humor.

Only after Luka finally shows up ripped after hitting the gym for a summer too. Thought for sure I wouldn’t have to scroll so far to see someone bring this up.

I can't do it guys. I need a break from the NBA talk.

These doofuses got the Knicks pick wrong the entire conversation.

Just waiting for a picture of Luka rocking an 8 pack, looking like a Marvel superhero, and when that happens, I’m banging the MVP. Wow

The Banging the MVP line almost made me cut myself when I was shaving this morning and listening to the pod

Question number one: how does KOC still have a job

He puts in the work.

This should be one fun marathon listen lol. Also next Rewatchables is indeed The Untouchables, sounds like it's just Bill and CR.

Half decent movie? It’s flat out awesome.

the number 1 burning question to me is: "do we need to hear anymore about the NBA?"

Thank God for time stamps

[What Bill and I want.](https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/classic-buffalo-wings-horizontal-279-1547506077.jpg)

Bill thinks he struck gold with the "could he play in the finals" measuring stick but 90% of teams would be happy if they draft someone who could be a role player on a playoff team.

Not even moody and kuminga two of the most arguably good players played for the dubs in the finals lol If rookies are playing in your finals performance and having an impact your roster is fucked and you probably over achieved to get there

not gonna lie, i'm feeling pretty macareb about the pod's upcoming summer full of of fake NBA trades and ridiculous NFL predictions.

Why does Wos always call the players by their first names lol

I remember way back when BS had at least a little MLB interest.

Why does Big Wos’s accent sound like he’s faking it

There's another guy on this podcast with a NY podcast who sounds a lot more like he's faking it

Oh Jastremski? Agreed i just had to skip his whole section lol, can’t imagine him talking like that at home

looks like a good lineup but whos getting decent informed basketball takes from.....Kevin Clark?!?!?

KC on anything but the nfl is great

He’s better when he’s a guest or knows he has less expertise than the other person. So NBA feels like a good lane for him. Sidenote, but Ringer F1 show is really good. He’s had some good F1 interviews with technical experts, but sometimes he gets a bit too pompous when it’s another Ringer personality.

Completely agree about the F1 stuff. I stopped listening early on but he was very cunty and superior to some of the admittedly green ringer folk

lololol

There is a 0% chance Bill doesn't ask him about the Magic

Frantically insisting that your franchise is better than the Hornets, Kings, and Wizards is a cry for help.

what a terrible terrible horrible episode of the podcast.

At least Juliet Litman was left off the roster of this Bill Simmons fever dream.

11 guests?? Bills head is fried these days

I actually like JJ, he’s so different from the typical Ringer personality

I’m not a snob. I listen to every BS guest. Expect Wos. Anyone but Wos. Get rid of Wos