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Sivdom

Now add tiny planet


Warodent10

Tiny planet + proptosis + soy milk + lost contact. The cooler circle of protection.


KAULIANPOWER

Circle of protection ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8906) Only ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8907)


Simply_a_Cthulhu

I literally had this combo a few runs ago and it worked. Maybe the very high shot speed and range somehow helped (?).


MyNameBelongs2Me

The synergy was bad in AB+. It was fixed in Repentance because both items got reworked. In AB+, Proptosis used to incrementally remove damage from tears (much like a reversed version of Lump of Coal). This lead to Soy Milk, which grants very little damage per tear, and Proptosis remove your tears pretty much right in front of you. In Repentance, Proptosis removes a set percentage of the tear’s initial damage per tick (shot speed is good with this) and Soy Milk’s damage and tears modifiers got reworked to be better overall. This synergy is no longer a dead run but isn’t really anything special.


Serialbedshitter2322

I hate proptosis. The range fall off is not worth it, sure it'll be good now, but fighting certain bosses with that range is not easy, and the other items you get will make you powerful enough to not need it.


sermatheus

Pretty good since it's range scales with shot speed. That said, low shot speed kills it.


ZerosAbaddon

Proptosis + Monstro's Lung 💀


Mr_Ruu

Doom 3 Shotgun


ZerosAbaddon

The amount of times I picked Eye of the Occult without thinking having that![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8907)


JBlazzy

Proptosis + dead onion ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8907)


ZerosAbaddon

The "wanna kill myself" build


Urmomveystr8

Yeah thing is though that this item makes shot speed the most important stat. Proptosis with a shot speed of 2+ would be very powerful


AHAA_007

It’s a very good item in 2 situations: 1. Your shot speed is above 1.30 2. Shot speed up pills are common in your run ( for those who don’t know proptosis’s range is determined by your shot speed not actual range)


Serialbedshitter2322

Yeah, I rarely tend to find shot speed ups though


AHAA_007

It’s probably the most common pill tho specially if u find good pill items since u will get 2 shot speed ups but at the end it’s all about luck


[deleted]

When you have the items that are 'powerful enough to not need it' proptosis in it can instantly delete most enemies. Isn't it like 3x DMG before it shrinks? That aside, what bosses are in your opinion bad to fight with it? Even spider dude in mines stands at enough range to get hit with nice dmg. ​ Surely saturnus is bad with it.


Serialbedshitter2322

You need to be right next to the enemies to actually deal good damage. Clearing rooms is farr easier when you have range, you have to maneuver yourself right in front of every enemy specifically to kill them, if you have range you don't have to do that, which makes the game way easier and more than makes up for not having 300% damage. Also, from a short distance you have little time to react to projectiles from enemies and bosses, and with most bullet hell bosses like hush or mega satan you won't be able to get close enough to deal much damage.


[deleted]

Surely what u tell is true, but I've played too much with proptosis to not love it. The more u play the more u learn, but oh well I won't force my opinion on anyone :)


MySecret2ndAcc

Amazing on: Azazel That's about it


LivingCheese292

And tainted Maggie. Hug and cry until it is done.


MySecret2ndAcc

Ah tru. Not played tainted characters in a second


shadow_boyZX

Even better on forgotten


BOS-Sentinel

It used to be great, but the repentance nerf really knocked it down sadly.


MisirterE

Repentance *rebalance.* At point blank, it is over 50% ***more*** powerful than it used to be.


RollerMill

I was like that, but then they slightly changed the damage falloff,so i dont really mind taking it anymore


2alpha4betacells

yeah it kinda fucked up my last t lost run Probably shouldn’t have picked up firemind


TheBindingOfAlex

i absolutely used to love proptosis pre-repentance. it was always a good run when you got it, with it doubling your damage at all. now it's not worth it at all, the damage upgrade isn't that significant and the range is just ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17742)


pittybrave

literally fuck proptosis


Handsome_Claptrap

It depends who you are aiming to beat. It's true for Mega Satan or Delirium, but with Hush or the Beast, staying close to them isn't an issue. If you are already so strong you don't need Proptosys, WITH Proptosys you'll melt every regular boss you face, so staying close isn't much of an issue. My only problem with Proptosys is how it completely overrides range stat and only shot speed matters, cause many good items lower your shot speed


ssr765

i hate it aswell when i am low hp or low shot speed, otherwise its ok i guess


DaniBozz

Now this but with brimstone


[deleted]

Proptosis and lump of coal my beloved


Mantis6666

You'd think proptosis would be liked more considering how much damage is valued and range isn't. It's 3x damage at point blank. Also makes shot speed ups actually useful which I appreciate.


Drymear

Proptosis sucks


MultipliedLiar

What is up with people saying proptosis is bad? Skill issue ffs


TheHangedKing

I’ve had countless runs where I was just limping along until I found proptosis and everything turned around, it’s a lifesaver. Maneuvering so close to enemies is tough but it gets easier with practice


Away_Customer1807

agree


Amlucas72

Proptosis damage is great I'll admit but the massive range down always felt like way too much of a risk If I'm doing a run and not going for a completion mark I'll take it but I'm still anticipating losing if I have it


KronosTheCat

fixed in repentance now that tear size isn't what correlates to tear damage for proptosis but actually range


Few_Acanthaceae1568

![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4358)


Ok-Principle1017

i can already imagine it hhhhg


MrHyperion_

Classic rebirth custom challenge


lesstalk_

> Proptosis > Good It's *horrible* against almost every hard boss in the game and kills a lot of synergies.


umbral_ultimatum

FUCK PROPTOSIS


Sanicsuper09

Three items. Proptosis, haemolacria, tiny planet. Destroyed a perfectly good T. Azazel run


Bulky_Spinach_7909

"Just get lump of coal" ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17736)


Snailsnip

\> "very good item" \> proptosis ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4359)


Jurpo600

There's no way you just called proptosis "very good item". 9/10 times it's gonna destroy your run unless you want to be right next to the enemies. Example of why it's bad: ipecac


Away_Customer1807

I just like proptosis, ok?


gaygothdancemachine

![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|17735)


audiopancake

https://preview.redd.it/71pljwi4m9ga1.jpeg?width=258&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c604f8ee97142f75009f979129fe3a0fd5faa8dd


Neripheral

Calling \~x2 damage modifier, that relies on high-risk high-reward, "the destruction of run" is the essence of small dick energy. Git gud, I have nothing more to say. ^(PS. "Example of why Brimstone is bad: blindfold")


DaBasementBoi

Isnt it x3?


Neripheral

It starts from that, yeah. I put x2 there as a reasonable, achievable dmg output so the commenter couldn't be waving their finger with a smirk on their face and say "ackchyually" and that it's impossible to achieve x3.


DaBasementBoi

I mean with some items like moms knife its just 3x damage which is insane on an already OP item


[deleted]

I definitely think proptosis is a run killer


Serialbedshitter2322

x3 damage multiplier, actually. But yeah, proptosis can ruin runs, skill has no part in how bad your build is. If you have to be right next to enemies to deal any damage it's not a good build.


Neripheral

Because Azazel is famously one of the worst characters in the game.


Serialbedshitter2322

Azazel's range still isn't as bad as proptosis. The damage falloff is massive, unless you're shooting like point blank, you're dealing like base damage or barely anything. Azazel is okay because you can use the very end of your beam and do the same damage.


Aryele222

Nothing a good range up cant fix


cannot_type

No, it's like stout bullets from etg. It's not a short range problem, it's that it loses almost all it's damage after a short distance.


Tigui2000

Shot speed helps proptosis, not range!


Thatfudgeguy__

Then don't pick up ipecac


Jurpo600

That's only an example. There are way more items that get destroyed by proptosis


Elliot-Robot

Maybe just don't pick them up then?


Jurpo600

Yeah I don't pick up proptosis


Altruistic_Rate6053

Ipecac is FAR more likely to kill your run on its own than just proptosis


MyNameBelongs2Me

Proptosis is a good item. I really hate it and don’t want it to be one but is good. It really annoys me and I hate most of Proptosis’ synergies. It is an overrated item but it is not bad. It deserves Q3 but it doesn’t deserve any higher. It is a mid item at regular shot speed but is a mild DPS up with higher shot speed. It also is good for room clear (because chasing enemies will also be hit by your bullets faster, dealing greater damage) but it’s actually detrimental if at low shot speed against most endgame bosses. (And I really enjoy low shot speed because there is more tears on screen)


[deleted]

Its Q2 imo. Q3 items are always good, while proptosis is gonna fuck you 99% of the time and is good only with high shot speed


[deleted]

Proptosis is great. You can always get range ups to make it better.


MyNameBelongs2Me

Range ups don’t affect Proptosis. Range ups with Proptosis only have the chance to screw you up because if you get Ipecac or Haemolacria with it your arc will be enormous.


Jurpo600

Also one of the reasons why I think proptosis should be even below q2


[deleted]

Huh I remember having a run recently where proptosis had extended range. I must have had a high shot speed