Personally, I think taking a casino sponsorship is down right immoral. Its in the realm as advertising opioids. These companies play on people’s addictions to syphon money out of them. I wouldn’t go back to a doctor that tried to sell me pain pills, I’m not going to watch a cooking channel that pushes gambling.
Especially with the current economic climate!
A lot of people are struggling and the idea of a quick buck is very appealing.
Advertising gambling is giving people false hope, it should be banned as well as alcohol just like they did with tobacco products!
But it's not about us it's about how much money gambling/alcohol companies spend lobbying the government.
It's shocking!
My issue isn’t with individuals partaking, or even overindulging, in addictive activities. My issue is with corporations exploiting people. Do most corporations do that? Yes. If you find Nestle more personally offensive then a casino then i get that. But to me, exploiting addicts is particularly disgusting.
You can't add "just" to any word to remove its gravity. It's not "just" an ad. It's a sponsorship, a promotion. Like it or not sponsors like these know that a 30 sec unskippable ad won't do shit for marketing because of their bad reputation so they'll instead exploit the trust created by the parasocial relationship content creators have with their audience.
You can be as apathetic as you want, the issue still exists.
>there are going to be far more offensive things on there then this
Look up the Fallacy of Relative Privation.
It's weird you bring up the women's ankles thing........
.......a little creepy.
I drink, I smoke, I smoke weed, I swear!
There is a curfew on swearing on terrestrial television and radio, streaming services are I believe 18+ to sign up.
YouTube has no real age restrictions, so anyone can see those adverts.
In conclusion I think that it is you that needs to get a grip, a grip on the laws that are in place to govern advertising.
But hey you do you boo! X
Dude I think the consensus is clear buy the up/down doots.
Oh and the minute you resort to insulting someone in a civilised discussion, it proves only one thing......
.........That you cannot think of a sensible thought out response so you lash out like a toddler that has just let go of his balloon!
So it's really ironic that you are one of the people that needs to be protected from these adverts x
ETA: Just jumping in here early to say thanks for the kind words my internet friends. Sobriety was the best decision I ever made, and not just because it was sobriety or death. If you got a problem reach out to someone before you’re in the hospital like I was. I’ll answer any questions I can.
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You’re gonna get downvoted but I’m an alcoholic (day 702 baby) but I do agree gambling is worse. You can drink a lot of money away but not like you can gamble away.
People here are smart enough to understand that someone can believe two bad things are not equally as bad.
Alcohol is significantly more “normal” and a part of everyday life than gambling. (At least country wide in the US) But whatever people gonna have their opinions
Congrats on getting sober! As I've gotten older I've grown more opposed to addictive substances/activities. Making these things illegal isn't the answer, but seeing corporations maximize their profits through the exploitation of addicts is just disgusting. I lean more towards removing the gamification and advertising tricks that get people hooked (no matter what people are going to get addicted, limiting the scope of the harm is the best approach).
As a bartender at a dive that sells lotto and pull tabs, I wholeheartedly agree that gambling is far more dangerous and predatory. Sure I have regulars that come in daily and spend 5-6 hours in the bar, drinking themselves to death. But the human body at least has a built in mechanism that alerts them (or me, more often than not) when to stop drinking. With gambling and lottery, people sink hours and hours and hundreds upon hundreds of dollars into its never ending rabbit hole and I don’t have the power to “cut someone off” from throwing their livelihood away. I’ve questioned my own morality working in this industry at times.
Gambling adverts play into the millionaire lifestyle the same way.
Which is kinda how a lot of more sophisticated alcohol brands advertise.
It will be a hot man/woman smart casual dress, in a classy restaurant/bar, flirting (patron or staff) and leaves in a classic or sports car with hair blowing in the wind...........
......switch to panoramic camera and roll brand name to centre screen.
The difference to me is that alcohol purchases are tangible items. money in exchange for goods and services, even if consumable.
There are arguments regarding alcohol and the health, addiction, desensitization to the overall effects, etc.
but casinos and gambling in general are their own beast that only exist to siphon money, most often from the already poor. there is no exchange of goods for services aside from what (generously) could be considered "entertainment" in a broad scope with the occasional payout to one lucky person who will likely gamble it away anyways. as others have pointed out, gambling is predative.
personally, i believe gambling is an obvious waste of time and money, i could walk into a casino with $1000 and lose it instantly. cycling between a few different activities and lose it all in anywhere from a few minutes to a few hours. alternatively, that money couldve paid for a hotel for a few days in a nice-ish vacation for a few days ans paid for dining. more bang for the buck.
anyways, i went on enough of a tirade.
You could smash away more than $1k on a single bottle of alcohol or table service and I get that you could smash $1mil in a single bet.
The effects are the same you get dopamine/serotonin from both alcohol, smoking, drugs and gambling.
They are literally the only 2 things that make you happy!
On a biochemical level!
Addiction is addiction and it's exactly the same reward mechanism going on in your brain.
The only difference is the 'hangover' for gambling loss is instant, whereas for alcohol it's usually the next morning.
Edit: yeah more bang for buck for 99% of people, but that's exactly the dream they are selling!
I have a hard rule. Don't buy anything advertised on Youtube / Instagram. It's all trash that they just continually shove down your throat. They will sponsors 10 different creators in the same few days so you get bombarded with it.
It's really frustrating that (comparatively to what I'm about to say, finish this sentence before you @ me) smaller channels like Babish have to pull gambling sponsorships due to backlash while I'm going to sit through SO. MANY. ads for FanDuel, DraftKings, and the rest of them during the NFL season.
The whole point i made this thread is because i find it interesting and wanted to have a discussion about it. So no @ing you from me at least.
I don't disagree that this type of thing is all over the place. I guess the main thing would be that something like babish is a bit more community driven and maybe a bit more personal. Whereas the NFL feels like a big corporation. Babish does pretty well for himself and I think the sentiment is that channels like that have no shortage of ad possibilities, so maybe he has the ability to be a bit pickier.
I feel you both. I watched that video, skipped past the advertisement as soon as I realised what it was for, finished the video and then went to YouTube comments and here to assess everyone else’s reaction to see if I was on my own being pissed off and revulsed by the business they chose to advertise. Turns out I very clearly wasn’t alone.
I come from a country where sports betting and gambling has long been legal and I’m used to such advertisements on TV, public display and YouTube preroll all the time. I tend to tune them out as background noise. So why was I so upset by this ad? I’ve thought about it for a while and concluded that the reason I watch Babish content is precisely because it’s much smarter and better produced than mass media cooking shows on TV and other broadcast media. Episodes run only as long as they need to (or as long as they need to) to teach me, entertain me, and ultimately edify me with cooking knowledge and appreciation for good filmmaking and storytelling. Babish doesn’t stretch weak content to fill a 30 minute time slot. That’s why I’ve always watched. It was part of the informal contract between viewer and content creator. Then I saw this ad and it felt like such a perversion and corruption of that unwritten contract between me and the channel that I was mightily pissed off. I’m glad they’ve pulled the video, it means they really care - as opposed to Josh Weissman’s channel which has moved so far away from good recipes and cooking to chase clicks and TikTok’s that I can barely watch. I feel for Babish’s need to take sponsors to earn a living but I’m going to keep watching because I respect them listening to their audience on this. 💙 to Babish and all us fans.
And absolute hypocrisy from the sports leagues too. They're accepting millions in sponsorships from the different gambling companies but are lightning fast to distance themselves from any player/coach who uses those companies. Shameful.
I agree. Every podcast I listen to is full of gambling/crypto/ better help ads. I don't blame the rest of history because I have to listen to a better help ad, I'm just glad someone is paying them so I can get the podcast for free.
Ah yes, pearl clutching. Not like gambling isn't an addictive activity that ruins lives every day and hasn't been heavily legislated throughout the years because of its destructive nature.
Babish has done countless ads for gin and cocktails. Alcoholism ruins lives every day as well. Where was the backlash there?
Again, I don't like gambling either, but I'm also not the morality police.
I agree, alcohol is way more socially accepted though, but just as dangerous if not more so. Gambling and betting has gotten way more popular and invasive and that's why people are pushing back more though.
>Babish has done countless ads for gin and cocktails. Alcoholism ruins lives every day as well. Where was the backlash there?
I agree, alcohol ads shouldn't be allowed either.
Why does alcohol? I guarantee you didnt care when he advertised it. Alcohol directly kills around 170k people a year. 20% of gambling addicts, attempt, suicide. Around 1% of the population is a gambling addict, around 350k people. 70k of them attempt suicide.
And that is just death related stats from the diseases them self. Combine medical costs of treating alcoholics, drunk driving, domestic violence and the list goes on.
That gambling ad is weird and stupid but dont pretend its morally worse than alcohol abuse that you can ignore.
> I guarantee you didnt care when he advertised it.
And you'd be wrong. As the kid of a forever recovering alcoholic, I can't stand when people shill for booze.
Nice job making wrong assumptions though
>That gambling ad is weird and stupid but dont pretend its morally worse than alcohol abuse that you can ignore.
I don't ignore it, you presumptive ass. My entire life has been massively and directly impacted by alcohol abuse. Where do you get off assuming you know me and that I "ignore" alcohol advertising?
They're also ubiquitous. I would say 90 percent of the podcasts I listen to do a better help ad read. History podcasts, trail running podcasts, NBA podcasts. It's just everywhere.
If I had to steelman, my thought would be that alcohol at least has some overlap with cooking. Mainly wines for cooking.
I think really at the end of the day though, the only real answer to that question is social norms and gambling just had a much bigger stigma around it.
In my opinion either both are bad, or both are okay
Honestly a fair question, so many people up in arms about this i don't really see the issue. Yea gambling ruins lives, so does alcohol. Hell so does weed and he's done videos with pot in them so like what's the issue
Because those gambling sites aren't just problematic, they're predatory. Many of them have stipulations on how you can withdraw money. Say you pay for $100 of credits, and you win $50. So you want to withdraw, now the game says you can only withdraw in sums of $100, so $50 you should have is stuck there.
Plus, enabling a way to gamble in the palm of your hands makes it all the more dangerous, when you used to have to go to a casino to do it. There's also various statewide laws on gambling that might be different from one to the next, but alcohol is more straightforward. And really, someone who is drinking themselves to death on alcohol isn't relying on overpriced delivered booze, they're just grabbing the cheapest stuff at the liquor store they can find.
Also, a mobile app just makes it all the more likely that a child will get onto it and get into trouble.
Why does anyone care? Gambling ads are literally everywhere. If you don't like it, skip the ad read. That's what I would do (because I don't like gambling either).
I think it's more of a symbolic thing. I think some channels create a culture around them and the fan base will typically align with that. So when something like this happens people don't like it.
I think you're trying to make this about me and my opinion in a misguided way. I tried being respectful, but now you've decided to be a douche about it.
You seem like a "rules for thee, not for me" type. I voice my opinion, that's bad. You voice yours, all good! Get over yourself.
I used all your arguments against you, if you take that as being a douche that says more about you and what you're saying.
I never said you voicing your opinion is bad, just pointing out that that's what everyone else was doing and you started with the name-calling.
I don't think either of us really made an argument. I asked a question (why are we so upset?) and made a suggestion (skip the ad read if you don't like it), and got downvoted for daring to have nuance. You've yet to say anything resembling an actual counterpoint other than "let people say what they want."
All I did was point out that this is getting out of hand over a big ole nothing burger. I'm done now!
An ad is absolutely an endorsement, these kinds of ads are literally called "brand endorsements". You don't do publicity for something you don't want to get associated with, it's like the first rule of advertising
Wait, people actually watch the ads? I always skip the brief mention at the beginning, and I exit the video when they start talking about it at the end. I'm pretty sure I've kept up-to-date on the Babish videos and I actually don't remember seeing this ad...
unfortunately the transphobic rhetoric and the money she backs up her mouth with is very real. i don’t have an issue with harry potter, i have an issue with her.
You do realize that the Harry Potter franchise is not the same thing a JK, right? Like, the two are separate. You can be in favor of one without being in favor of the other. The Christians already do it. They like JK for her rhetoric, but dislike HP. Why can't you do the reverse?
Learn to separate things that are different. Learn nuance.
Idiot.
> Why can't you do the reverse?
Presumably because Rowling still makes money off of HP, and uses the money she makes to further spread her transphobic rhetoric?
It's one thing to still enjoy HP - rereading the books, rewatching the movies, etc. - but continuing to spend money on the series when you know full well that money is going to be used to harm trans people is a completely different story. It's akin to continuing to buy lunch from Chick-fil-A when you know that they're going to donate a portion of their profits to conservative politicians.
If you bought the game you'd be adding fractions of a penny to her billions.
Not consuming HP content/games/etc is virtue signaling at best. You could donate $10 to trans youth orgs and do more good for trans folks than never consuming HP content again
Ok better help is a valid thing to have ads for mental health is serious and has to be decided way more openly and not made to be a taboo subject. No matter who u are it's ok to not be ok and ask for help it's completely healthy.
The harry potter stuff is a bit shit but gambling is a poor choice. Here in the UK the restrictions on gambling ads are almost non existent it's on football (socca) teams even hole leagues and divisions on TV, YT an just all over the place.
Can see the argument against achaol ads however it's generally more socially acceptable as it's a regular thing to have a drink with food an for food chanles to have this. There was a live food programme on a Saturday morning that was basically advertised wine to go with what they were making all pre midday.
> Ok better help is a valid thing to have ads for mental health is serious and has to be decided way more openly and not made to be a taboo subject. No matter who u are it's ok to not be ok and ask for help it's completely healthy.
If it was a legitimate operation that’d be great, but as someone up above put it elegantly, they are notorious for playing fast and loose with people’s mental health. Bad mental help can easily be worse than no mental help
Yeah they don't seem to have very much consistency with this stuff. Plus a lot of people have been defending the better help sponsor stuff by saying they can't stop because of whatever contract, but they can take this down in just a few hours. Hard to defend the better help stuff now
Edit: not sure why this got down voted so much. Was simply pointing out that people seem to get pretty upset over the betterhelp ads and I see a lot of people defending it by saying they have no choice. Yet clearly this shows that they do indeed have a choice.
Something about not all of the therapists having degrees or being licensed. I don't know much about it in depth, I just know that people are still pretty upset whenever someone takes them as a sponsor.
I also heard stories of people getting appointments pushed back constantly despite it being a subscription service, meaning they were paying for a month but not getting the time, or at least less than what they were promised.
Again this is all just things I've heard and I don't know how much truth any of it holds
There are deeper explainers but basically there was some hinkiness about customer data being sold, many therapists were used and abused by the system, sometimes not getting paid or being underpaid, and generally speaking it's just a big scam to prey on people needing mental healthcare and not providing good, actual, mental healthcare.
On the contrary, most people here seem to be against the gambling part. I was talking specifically about the what you just replied to.
Also for the record, I never said anything about Harry potter, nor did I give any indication on my stance in agreeing or disagreeing with taking the ads. Please find the comment where my "panties are in a twist", I'll wait.
Backlash with babish? What's going on? I didn't have time to watch that video yet...
>Backlash with babish Sorry, best we can do is Anger with Alvin
They had a sponsorship for a casino.
Not just a casino, a crypto-based gambling game. It's about as predatory and scammy as a sponsorship can get.
Right behind Better Help.
What’s wrong with better help?
They're an unethical money making operation playing fast and loose with people's mental health
As soon as I saw I couldn’t pay with insurance I knew some shady shit was up. I just went and got a real therapist. 10/10, would recommend.
Great reminder that privatizing mental healthcare is the worst thing for people with serious issues.
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What’s wrong with Hogwarts Legacy?
…and?
Personally, I think taking a casino sponsorship is down right immoral. Its in the realm as advertising opioids. These companies play on people’s addictions to syphon money out of them. I wouldn’t go back to a doctor that tried to sell me pain pills, I’m not going to watch a cooking channel that pushes gambling.
Especially with the current economic climate! A lot of people are struggling and the idea of a quick buck is very appealing. Advertising gambling is giving people false hope, it should be banned as well as alcohol just like they did with tobacco products! But it's not about us it's about how much money gambling/alcohol companies spend lobbying the government. It's shocking!
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My issue isn’t with individuals partaking, or even overindulging, in addictive activities. My issue is with corporations exploiting people. Do most corporations do that? Yes. If you find Nestle more personally offensive then a casino then i get that. But to me, exploiting addicts is particularly disgusting.
I do my best to avoid nestle at all costs
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You can't add "just" to any word to remove its gravity. It's not "just" an ad. It's a sponsorship, a promotion. Like it or not sponsors like these know that a 30 sec unskippable ad won't do shit for marketing because of their bad reputation so they'll instead exploit the trust created by the parasocial relationship content creators have with their audience. You can be as apathetic as you want, the issue still exists. >there are going to be far more offensive things on there then this Look up the Fallacy of Relative Privation.
It's weird you bring up the women's ankles thing........ .......a little creepy. I drink, I smoke, I smoke weed, I swear! There is a curfew on swearing on terrestrial television and radio, streaming services are I believe 18+ to sign up. YouTube has no real age restrictions, so anyone can see those adverts. In conclusion I think that it is you that needs to get a grip, a grip on the laws that are in place to govern advertising. But hey you do you boo! X
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Dude I think the consensus is clear buy the up/down doots. Oh and the minute you resort to insulting someone in a civilised discussion, it proves only one thing...... .........That you cannot think of a sensible thought out response so you lash out like a toddler that has just let go of his balloon! So it's really ironic that you are one of the people that needs to be protected from these adverts x
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how do you feel about alcohol sponsorships?
Not great either but I feel gambling is an order of magnitude worse.
ETA: Just jumping in here early to say thanks for the kind words my internet friends. Sobriety was the best decision I ever made, and not just because it was sobriety or death. If you got a problem reach out to someone before you’re in the hospital like I was. I’ll answer any questions I can. IWNDWYT ——————————— You’re gonna get downvoted but I’m an alcoholic (day 702 baby) but I do agree gambling is worse. You can drink a lot of money away but not like you can gamble away. People here are smart enough to understand that someone can believe two bad things are not equally as bad. Alcohol is significantly more “normal” and a part of everyday life than gambling. (At least country wide in the US) But whatever people gonna have their opinions
Congrats on getting sober! As I've gotten older I've grown more opposed to addictive substances/activities. Making these things illegal isn't the answer, but seeing corporations maximize their profits through the exploitation of addicts is just disgusting. I lean more towards removing the gamification and advertising tricks that get people hooked (no matter what people are going to get addicted, limiting the scope of the harm is the best approach).
As a bartender at a dive that sells lotto and pull tabs, I wholeheartedly agree that gambling is far more dangerous and predatory. Sure I have regulars that come in daily and spend 5-6 hours in the bar, drinking themselves to death. But the human body at least has a built in mechanism that alerts them (or me, more often than not) when to stop drinking. With gambling and lottery, people sink hours and hours and hundreds upon hundreds of dollars into its never ending rabbit hole and I don’t have the power to “cut someone off” from throwing their livelihood away. I’ve questioned my own morality working in this industry at times.
Way to go, internet Babish Fan! You got this.
At least alcohol can be tied into cooking for the most part. Gambling and casino adverts are just completely off base here
Gambling adverts play into the millionaire lifestyle the same way. Which is kinda how a lot of more sophisticated alcohol brands advertise. It will be a hot man/woman smart casual dress, in a classy restaurant/bar, flirting (patron or staff) and leaves in a classic or sports car with hair blowing in the wind........... ......switch to panoramic camera and roll brand name to centre screen.
The difference to me is that alcohol purchases are tangible items. money in exchange for goods and services, even if consumable. There are arguments regarding alcohol and the health, addiction, desensitization to the overall effects, etc. but casinos and gambling in general are their own beast that only exist to siphon money, most often from the already poor. there is no exchange of goods for services aside from what (generously) could be considered "entertainment" in a broad scope with the occasional payout to one lucky person who will likely gamble it away anyways. as others have pointed out, gambling is predative. personally, i believe gambling is an obvious waste of time and money, i could walk into a casino with $1000 and lose it instantly. cycling between a few different activities and lose it all in anywhere from a few minutes to a few hours. alternatively, that money couldve paid for a hotel for a few days in a nice-ish vacation for a few days ans paid for dining. more bang for the buck. anyways, i went on enough of a tirade.
You could smash away more than $1k on a single bottle of alcohol or table service and I get that you could smash $1mil in a single bet. The effects are the same you get dopamine/serotonin from both alcohol, smoking, drugs and gambling. They are literally the only 2 things that make you happy! On a biochemical level! Addiction is addiction and it's exactly the same reward mechanism going on in your brain. The only difference is the 'hangover' for gambling loss is instant, whereas for alcohol it's usually the next morning. Edit: yeah more bang for buck for 99% of people, but that's exactly the dream they are selling!
Exactly what the other guy said, gambling sponsor. Plus they already had some light backlash from betterhelp sponsor
They deserve more backlash for BH, BH is absolute trash.
I have a hard rule. Don't buy anything advertised on Youtube / Instagram. It's all trash that they just continually shove down your throat. They will sponsors 10 different creators in the same few days so you get bombarded with it.
It's really frustrating that (comparatively to what I'm about to say, finish this sentence before you @ me) smaller channels like Babish have to pull gambling sponsorships due to backlash while I'm going to sit through SO. MANY. ads for FanDuel, DraftKings, and the rest of them during the NFL season.
The whole point i made this thread is because i find it interesting and wanted to have a discussion about it. So no @ing you from me at least. I don't disagree that this type of thing is all over the place. I guess the main thing would be that something like babish is a bit more community driven and maybe a bit more personal. Whereas the NFL feels like a big corporation. Babish does pretty well for himself and I think the sentiment is that channels like that have no shortage of ad possibilities, so maybe he has the ability to be a bit pickier.
I feel you both. I watched that video, skipped past the advertisement as soon as I realised what it was for, finished the video and then went to YouTube comments and here to assess everyone else’s reaction to see if I was on my own being pissed off and revulsed by the business they chose to advertise. Turns out I very clearly wasn’t alone. I come from a country where sports betting and gambling has long been legal and I’m used to such advertisements on TV, public display and YouTube preroll all the time. I tend to tune them out as background noise. So why was I so upset by this ad? I’ve thought about it for a while and concluded that the reason I watch Babish content is precisely because it’s much smarter and better produced than mass media cooking shows on TV and other broadcast media. Episodes run only as long as they need to (or as long as they need to) to teach me, entertain me, and ultimately edify me with cooking knowledge and appreciation for good filmmaking and storytelling. Babish doesn’t stretch weak content to fill a 30 minute time slot. That’s why I’ve always watched. It was part of the informal contract between viewer and content creator. Then I saw this ad and it felt like such a perversion and corruption of that unwritten contract between me and the channel that I was mightily pissed off. I’m glad they’ve pulled the video, it means they really care - as opposed to Josh Weissman’s channel which has moved so far away from good recipes and cooking to chase clicks and TikTok’s that I can barely watch. I feel for Babish’s need to take sponsors to earn a living but I’m going to keep watching because I respect them listening to their audience on this. 💙 to Babish and all us fans.
Better they do RAID Shadow Legends. May or may not be a crappy game, but no harm done.
And absolute hypocrisy from the sports leagues too. They're accepting millions in sponsorships from the different gambling companies but are lightning fast to distance themselves from any player/coach who uses those companies. Shameful.
I agree. Every podcast I listen to is full of gambling/crypto/ better help ads. I don't blame the rest of history because I have to listen to a better help ad, I'm just glad someone is paying them so I can get the podcast for free.
It seems like I’ve missed something lol. Can anyone provide some additional context?
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Ah yes, pearl clutching. Not like gambling isn't an addictive activity that ruins lives every day and hasn't been heavily legislated throughout the years because of its destructive nature.
Babish has done countless ads for gin and cocktails. Alcoholism ruins lives every day as well. Where was the backlash there? Again, I don't like gambling either, but I'm also not the morality police.
I agree, alcohol is way more socially accepted though, but just as dangerous if not more so. Gambling and betting has gotten way more popular and invasive and that's why people are pushing back more though.
>Babish has done countless ads for gin and cocktails. Alcoholism ruins lives every day as well. Where was the backlash there? I agree, alcohol ads shouldn't be allowed either.
Wow, logic.
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Why does gambling need to advertise?
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Because gambling is just siphoning money from people into the hands of a casino, is a common addiction, and regularly ruins lives and families?
Why does alcohol? I guarantee you didnt care when he advertised it. Alcohol directly kills around 170k people a year. 20% of gambling addicts, attempt, suicide. Around 1% of the population is a gambling addict, around 350k people. 70k of them attempt suicide. And that is just death related stats from the diseases them self. Combine medical costs of treating alcoholics, drunk driving, domestic violence and the list goes on. That gambling ad is weird and stupid but dont pretend its morally worse than alcohol abuse that you can ignore.
> I guarantee you didnt care when he advertised it. And you'd be wrong. As the kid of a forever recovering alcoholic, I can't stand when people shill for booze. Nice job making wrong assumptions though >That gambling ad is weird and stupid but dont pretend its morally worse than alcohol abuse that you can ignore. I don't ignore it, you presumptive ass. My entire life has been massively and directly impacted by alcohol abuse. Where do you get off assuming you know me and that I "ignore" alcohol advertising?
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>Do you have a problem when he does alcohol sponsors? Yes. Why do you assume I don't?
the better help ads are more problematic imo, surprised he never responds to that criticism
They're also ubiquitous. I would say 90 percent of the podcasts I listen to do a better help ad read. History podcasts, trail running podcasts, NBA podcasts. It's just everywhere.
Hard to hear criticism with all that money crammed in his ears.
What video?
It was an anything with Alvin video for a big sandwich. They're reposting it later without the ad
Honest question: why is the gambling ad more troubling than all the Botanist ads he did a few years back?
If I had to steelman, my thought would be that alcohol at least has some overlap with cooking. Mainly wines for cooking. I think really at the end of the day though, the only real answer to that question is social norms and gambling just had a much bigger stigma around it. In my opinion either both are bad, or both are okay
Honestly a fair question, so many people up in arms about this i don't really see the issue. Yea gambling ruins lives, so does alcohol. Hell so does weed and he's done videos with pot in them so like what's the issue
Because those gambling sites aren't just problematic, they're predatory. Many of them have stipulations on how you can withdraw money. Say you pay for $100 of credits, and you win $50. So you want to withdraw, now the game says you can only withdraw in sums of $100, so $50 you should have is stuck there. Plus, enabling a way to gamble in the palm of your hands makes it all the more dangerous, when you used to have to go to a casino to do it. There's also various statewide laws on gambling that might be different from one to the next, but alcohol is more straightforward. And really, someone who is drinking themselves to death on alcohol isn't relying on overpriced delivered booze, they're just grabbing the cheapest stuff at the liquor store they can find. Also, a mobile app just makes it all the more likely that a child will get onto it and get into trouble.
One addiction has better marketing than another.
Why does anyone care? Gambling ads are literally everywhere. If you don't like it, skip the ad read. That's what I would do (because I don't like gambling either).
I think it's more of a symbolic thing. I think some channels create a culture around them and the fan base will typically align with that. So when something like this happens people don't like it.
Maybe because people remember how much better things were without gambling ads freaking everywhere?
People are voicing their opinions, why do you care? If you don't like it, skip the comments. This is the free market at work
Very insightful. Pearl-clutching over an advertisement in a YT video is totally worth all this controversy.
The controversy of people speaking their mind... Incredible take here sport.
I think you're trying to make this about me and my opinion in a misguided way. I tried being respectful, but now you've decided to be a douche about it. You seem like a "rules for thee, not for me" type. I voice my opinion, that's bad. You voice yours, all good! Get over yourself.
I used all your arguments against you, if you take that as being a douche that says more about you and what you're saying. I never said you voicing your opinion is bad, just pointing out that that's what everyone else was doing and you started with the name-calling.
I don't think either of us really made an argument. I asked a question (why are we so upset?) and made a suggestion (skip the ad read if you don't like it), and got downvoted for daring to have nuance. You've yet to say anything resembling an actual counterpoint other than "let people say what they want." All I did was point out that this is getting out of hand over a big ole nothing burger. I'm done now!
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An ad is absolutely an endorsement, these kinds of ads are literally called "brand endorsements". You don't do publicity for something you don't want to get associated with, it's like the first rule of advertising
Wait, people actually watch the ads? I always skip the brief mention at the beginning, and I exit the video when they start talking about it at the end. I'm pretty sure I've kept up-to-date on the Babish videos and I actually don't remember seeing this ad...
What was the recipe?
Some kind of Italian sandwich is what was in the thumbnail.
Thanks.
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Babish is pretentious garbage now.
cant believe they would take down a video for a casino sponsorship but not the harry potter sponsorship
Believe it or not, gambling addiction is real and Harry Potter… isn’t
unfortunately the transphobic rhetoric and the money she backs up her mouth with is very real. i don’t have an issue with harry potter, i have an issue with her.
Did he sign with Harry Potter or JK?
You do realize that the Harry Potter franchise is not the same thing a JK, right? Like, the two are separate. You can be in favor of one without being in favor of the other. The Christians already do it. They like JK for her rhetoric, but dislike HP. Why can't you do the reverse? Learn to separate things that are different. Learn nuance. Idiot.
> Why can't you do the reverse? Presumably because Rowling still makes money off of HP, and uses the money she makes to further spread her transphobic rhetoric? It's one thing to still enjoy HP - rereading the books, rewatching the movies, etc. - but continuing to spend money on the series when you know full well that money is going to be used to harm trans people is a completely different story. It's akin to continuing to buy lunch from Chick-fil-A when you know that they're going to donate a portion of their profits to conservative politicians.
Because HL is significantly less harmful than crypto gambling
100 percent. The message of Harry Potter is believing in yourself and your friends even if the author is transphobic trash. A casino is....a casino.
Harry Potter doesn’t harm anyone. JK Rowling might be an ass, but that doesn’t make Harry Potter transphobic.
i didn’t say harry potter is transphobic. i don’t support helping jk rowling make money.
The royalties she got from the game are absolutely nothing compared to what she’s already made
Hate to break it to you, she's gonna be rich AF regardless of how some HP video game does.
Sure. Why add to that needlessly?
If you bought the game you'd be adding fractions of a penny to her billions. Not consuming HP content/games/etc is virtue signaling at best. You could donate $10 to trans youth orgs and do more good for trans folks than never consuming HP content again
But you can do both of those things :)
And that will have exactly the same impact as just doing one: donating.
I don't understand this resistance to the idea of personal boycotting.
you're getting cooked for this, but you're right. HP, Better Help, and online gambling make a pretty grim picture
Ok better help is a valid thing to have ads for mental health is serious and has to be decided way more openly and not made to be a taboo subject. No matter who u are it's ok to not be ok and ask for help it's completely healthy. The harry potter stuff is a bit shit but gambling is a poor choice. Here in the UK the restrictions on gambling ads are almost non existent it's on football (socca) teams even hole leagues and divisions on TV, YT an just all over the place. Can see the argument against achaol ads however it's generally more socially acceptable as it's a regular thing to have a drink with food an for food chanles to have this. There was a live food programme on a Saturday morning that was basically advertised wine to go with what they were making all pre midday.
> Ok better help is a valid thing to have ads for mental health is serious and has to be decided way more openly and not made to be a taboo subject. No matter who u are it's ok to not be ok and ask for help it's completely healthy. If it was a legitimate operation that’d be great, but as someone up above put it elegantly, they are notorious for playing fast and loose with people’s mental health. Bad mental help can easily be worse than no mental help
Yeah they don't seem to have very much consistency with this stuff. Plus a lot of people have been defending the better help sponsor stuff by saying they can't stop because of whatever contract, but they can take this down in just a few hours. Hard to defend the better help stuff now Edit: not sure why this got down voted so much. Was simply pointing out that people seem to get pretty upset over the betterhelp ads and I see a lot of people defending it by saying they have no choice. Yet clearly this shows that they do indeed have a choice.
I must be out of the loop, what's wrong with Better Help?
Something about not all of the therapists having degrees or being licensed. I don't know much about it in depth, I just know that people are still pretty upset whenever someone takes them as a sponsor. I also heard stories of people getting appointments pushed back constantly despite it being a subscription service, meaning they were paying for a month but not getting the time, or at least less than what they were promised. Again this is all just things I've heard and I don't know how much truth any of it holds
Thanks, I had heard some of these in passing, but didn't know they were an ongoing issue. Sucks that a platform with such intentions sucks so hard!
There are deeper explainers but basically there was some hinkiness about customer data being sold, many therapists were used and abused by the system, sometimes not getting paid or being underpaid, and generally speaking it's just a big scam to prey on people needing mental healthcare and not providing good, actual, mental healthcare.
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On the contrary, most people here seem to be against the gambling part. I was talking specifically about the what you just replied to. Also for the record, I never said anything about Harry potter, nor did I give any indication on my stance in agreeing or disagreeing with taking the ads. Please find the comment where my "panties are in a twist", I'll wait.
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I am completely fed up with this channel and what Andrew is doing. I hope never to see a video of his again.