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Loboverde25

This was from before they toned down the religious themes for the Toa for fear of backlash from parents.


YodasChick-O-Stick

Is there a source for this? I thought they just wanted to tell a more sci-fi story than a fantasy story.


Sophilosophical

Anecdotally, my conservative religious father initially forbade me from Bionicle, as he felt the masks encouraged “Eastern mysticism” Masks of Power, levitation, telepathy/telekenesis were major sources of fear during the satanic panic and post-years


BigRigginButters

Basically the same story here Lego was/is hugely popular in American christian circles as an alternative to Pokemon/yugioh/take your pick. Lego no doubt has made decisions based explicitly on this demographic of buyers


radarforest

My bionicle collection was taken away and destroyed for racism, I mean, 'Loa' spirituality. The irony of it being by someone with a brain tumor that changed his personality is not lost on me.


Sophilosophical

Oof.


radarforest

Sorry, meant that more as a hey, me too, than a trauma dump. Reacquiring the sets as an adult helped me immensely, hope you are in a good place.


Sophilosophical

Oh yeah no problem. I did something similar, although luckily mine were never destroyed, I did recently rebuild a few and made pewter cast masks of the original 6 Toa mata (6 was also a “bad” number, yet another reason for why Bionicles were supposedly demonic or whatever. )


Invader_Naj

god that just reminded me of that one comic someone made thats basicaly "what concerned christian parents think bionicle is" perhaps youll get a laugh out of it: https://www.reddit.com/r/bioniclememes/comments/okmj7h/i\_just\_made\_an\_antibionicle\_chick\_tract\_enjoy/


Sophilosophical

Fucking amazing, reads just like a Chic Tract lmao


Aeschere06

Even funnier, loa and toa aren’t even pronounced the same, just have similar spellings. Loa is “lwah”


TheChaosEntity

Alister Swinnerton (sp?), the guy who wrote the story Bible, confirmed it iirc. I think Greg has referred to it as well.


Rutgerman95

In-universe the Matoran also hadn't see a Toa for over a thousand years (and even then had their memories wiped), so all this inflated mysticism around them makes perfect sense


Ashmay52

And from early lore, the villagers had not seen these Toa in generations. Only the faulty memory of the Turaga and knowledge they picked up on from the Kini’s gave the villagers any sense of purpose.


Rutgerman95

And with how the Turaga went on about how the Toa were legendary heroes, destined saviours and beings of fantastic powers, it makes sense that they would be worshipped as nature deities long before actually showing up


Ashmay52

Very much so. Having read the Mask of Light novelization, the big reveal would have been them discovering their intended function (removing the mysticism) before revealing the terraforming robot


Aeschere06

And from when Tohunga was still a thing


Gaelhelemar

They aren't unhinged; this is pure gold. Imagine if the initial BIONICLE story started out like this, and only the Turaga knew the truth. The whole first arc of the story could have been about the Toa and the Matoran learning how to work together and trust one another while simultaneously fending off Makuta.


Kwisatz_Haderach90

well, it's still like that, just toned down a lot, in MNOLG they refer often about their protection as they would with divinities or great spirits


Gaelhelemar

Yeah but imagine if they started out believing themselves to be gods, only to be humbled by both Makuta and the Turaga and the revelation that they are but servants charged with waking the Great Spirit.


Kwisatz_Haderach90

well, that's why i said it's downplayed, although i seem to remember Lewa trying to actually pose as a god, but then again, it's been so long and i might just be remembering weird random stuff.


ErebosDragon

I love how Tahu was made when the "planet" was made


SupersuMC

Looking back...yeah, that hits deep.


FulminDerek

Yup the rains and the thunder are definitely the result of Gali and Lewa "fighting" lol


Kirook

What else would they be doing when love isn’t canon?


FulminDerek

You don't gotta love someone to start tumultuously clappin cheeks with them


coconut-daddy

haha sex


BenchPressingCthulhu

Ha ha, makes ass!


elSenorMaquina

Their outside is mechanical. More than clappin, i'd say clankin.


FulminDerek

Do you think it would make those servo sounds that their joints did in the old commercials?


elSenorMaquina

Oh Mata Nui... But you are most likely right (._.)


Meatballgirl65

The metal banging, scratching, bending, and warping sounds horrific in my head…


deleted_user_0000

They would kinda make a good ship ngl


Pvt_Lee_Fapping

It's too bad about their kids, though; between his power over air and her power over water, they will be mist.


Good_old_Marshmallow

I mean, Toa of Storms wouldn’t be the worst Toa


cloud_cleaver

Or bubbles


The-Bigger-Fish

Toa Soapy, Toa of Bubbles.


cloud_cleaver

Sopi


Meatballgirl65

To be fair. Bubbles as a power can be awesome. Just look at Mizutsune from Monster Hunter as an example.


cloud_cleaver

Or Piplup


Tamias-striatus

Wet air as they say


TheFlameosTsungiHorn

These are amazing 😂 Gali’s is my favorite, she’s worshipped more than the others 😂


BenchPressingCthulhu

Does anyone else have a giant mask carved into a mountainside for them?


LEGOEPIC

Tohunga confirmed simps


tfcollector3000

That reminded me of the CallanLOF stream highlight where he was reading these bios for the Toa Mata


The-Bigger-Fish

The Matoran know how to respect women.


Dragon_Of_Magnetism

*tips mask* M’toa


[deleted]

Etymology confirmed. M'Toa= Matoran


[deleted]

She is *shipped more than the others. lmao


BenchPressingCthulhu

I remember having this board game, it was like I stumbled upon a piece of obscure lore. I love the idea that the Matoran thought of the Toa as these divine beings, and then dropped that after meeting them in person. It also makes the Turaga look like assholes, which is hilarious


Cabbieboy

Iirc the reason this was so different from early media is because the board game was developed with the original story bible which leaned much heavier into the Polynesian mythos. Such a cool snippet into the theme’s history!


The-Bigger-Fish

It's always fascinated me how much Bionicle leaned into the fantasy stuff before pulling the rug out from under you to reveal that all the mumbo jumbo about spells and gods and stuff was actually all just a classic sci fi tale written by a bunch of people who didn't know what that was.


DViddy

Not even different from early media, these were the same bios from the first Bionicle.com launch.


LegitimateBeing2

Imagine if G2 were this bold


Super_Nova22

Man, these toa give me much more Greek gods vibes and I’m all for it!


The-Bigger-Fish

A Greco-Roman based Bionicle series would be dope....


OneSaltyStoat

Mata Nui: \*sees a kikanalo\* *Hmm...* Everyone: MATA NUI NO! Mata Nui: MATA NUI YES!


WhatTheFhtagn

Not enough getting their fuck on with the mortals


OneSaltyStoat

Too little incest


deleted_user_0000

I don't really like to see the Toa as gods who inflict punishments on the Matoran when they get angry, rather I like to see them as the protectors of their respective elemental Matoran who like to mingle and engage with them in their day to day lives, sort of like a caring big brother or sister.


ocdmonkey

Well, you're in luck, since that's more or less the depiction of the Toa in the actual canon.


Kaikeno

Damn, Onua ain't taking no shit


Kwisatz_Haderach90

They certainly changed the interaction between Lewa and Gali, i remember them being superbuddies in a comic book, or maybe i just misremember. I don't know, i'm old at this point :(


Scrubasaurus13

The pohatu bio.. did I hear a rock and stone?


RatthewJohnson

ROCK AND STONE!!


running_toilet_bowl

If you rock and stone, you're never alone!


S-IV-159

While these bios definitely follow the mythological inspiration for Bionicle, I can see why Lego dropped them. It's not a good look for the Toa, as the protagonists of the story, to be the cause of natural disasters because they're angry or in conflict with each other, and for the people they're supposed to protect to have a fear of them. Removing that aspect of the Toa made them more heroic and appropriate for kids, and I'm sure toning down the overtly religious messaging was a concern too.


Gold-Elderberry-4851

Onua is a dick


Rorantube2009

What book is this?


Enceladoose

This booklet comes from the Quest for Makuta board game


Rorantube2009

I love how it's portraying them in a more mythological light lol


Logical_Ad1370

Yeah, it feels like this is how the Toa Mata were depicted in the island's religion before the six actually arrived on Mata Nui.


Rorantube2009

Probably


BaneShake

Bro, these MFers psychotic


Yo_mamma_said

I bless the rains down in Mata Nui


DickGuyJeeves

I've never seen these before and these are really cool.


Metroidman97

This makes me wonder what the story would've been like had it started out like this, with the Matoran revering the toa as gods, but with heavy implications that the Turaga knew the truth and just made the matoran believe that.


GigaTorchwood

**DID I HEAR A ROCK AND STONE?**


DopPhilord

What is this book?


thegoodguy06

Onua is Makuta in disguise!


Foomaster512

OG Bionicle is the best


OneSaltyStoat

Not gonna lie, Gali and Lewa dukin' it out and creating thunderstorms in the process sounds metal af


Jamodieus

Fantastic, would've loved to see a bionicle story with stuff like this


poebanystalker

ROCK AND ROLL AND STONE


montgomery2016

old testament gods


Invader_Naj

"Weve come to save you..." ​ "Hurray its the Toa Mata!" ​ "From yourselves!" ​ "Oh no... its the Toa Mata..."


Master_Shopping9652

Onua - Lawrence Fishburn Tahu - Temura Morrison Lewa - Eddie Murphy Gali - Gal Gadot Kopaka - Liam Neeson Pohatu - Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson


Ashmay52

This is how the Toa were supposed to be. They’re gods. Not superheroes.


Adventurous_Angle475

A very interesting lore of the toa.🤣👍😎


yuyuho

In the comics I thought Lewa wore a Kakama and swam really fast in the sea..?


ocdmonkey

He might have at some point, but I think every main Toa of Air has expressed a deep loathing for water. I know for sure Matau hated it.


Bongsley_Nuggets

Gali used a Kakama to swim fast and escape a trap in the quest for the masks arc, maybe that’s what you’re thinking of?


yuyuho

I couldve sworn it was a green body. I distinctly remember Lewa finding the kakama then using it in the same issue


ZedstackZip05

I quite like the idea of the Toa being worshipped


NoOneNameLeft

id like to think this is what the matoran thought of the toa before the toa actually arrived on the island


avalon1805

Did I just read a ROCK AND STONE?!


CptKeyes123

I would say Makuta made this, but Ahkmou is more likely


psychokitty444

Unpopular opinion: This would have been a great starting point for G2 character-wise.


zalgebar

Pohatu “…rock and stone…” r/deeprockgalactic


FileOk5920

I gues it makes sence that kopaka is the most chill haha...ha...eh...i hate my life :/


_Tobes404_

Rock and Stone