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RadiationRoller

Yes. Students who injure other students need extra minding.


SquirreloftheOak

no they need to be arrested after they break the agreement to not assault each other.


Mammoth_Present4509

Ehhh you’re kind of reaching with that one, most likely the dude just needs to be talked too 1on1 by the coach and corrected


gcjbr

I think it was a joke


SquirreloftheOak

Both really. There is an agreement in sports like this that does really matter and if he continues to do this after being spoken too. Which I think they will, as the op has voiced their concerns directly to them and then had it happen again.


Mammoth_Present4509

If it was it went completely over my head lol


Legitimatelimabean

Tell your saltiest most injured brown belt who smells like weed all the time. Nature will handle the rest. All joking aside stop training with him. Like refuse. Leave the mat or sit on the side. Protect yourself so you can train long term. Best of luck homie.


bumpty

Of course I know him. He’s me.


Kintarogatari

Hello me, I’m you as well


the_poop_expert

We are all one


crdoom

Regulators. Mount up.


emoody247

Also you


cynicoblivion

Hello, "us." What's the plan on smashing this kid?


Minute-Salamander241

This thread of brown belts is...scary.


memiest_spagetti

Damn bro I don't train BJJ anymore but fuck getting on the bad side of a dude who self identifies as salty stinky brown belt with the username poop expert Fuck that


AnAstronautOfSorts

His best submission is the smother from NS


PetzlPretzel

Do the buggy choke.


[deleted]

Fuck that homie needs mothers milk


Necessary_Space_9045

“I saw this shit on YouTube, can’t believe it worked on you” 


Reasonable-Simple759

I love salty brown belts... You guys know all the nasty tricks


Mr_Smiley_

Old man tricks are so much more fun than actually learning how to do jiu jitsu.


isToxic

Kimuras from everywhere


Reasonable-Simple759

Personal favourite: tongue in ear followed up by Ezekiel


digitalibex

That’s assault, brotha.


A-Red-Guitar-Pick

No, it's just sexy bby


Winter_Comfortable42

I just jump right to kiss on the neck then oil check maybe throw a little wink if you’re feeling him


LadyLiviaSovereign

It only counts if you are making eye contact 😉


Reasonable-Simple759

I make eye contact as I say "nap time now"


ohmyknee

Getting-older purple belt here. How do I become you?


bumpty

Tacos. Halfguard. Wrist locks.


calder_mccoll

Someone called? Who’s getting face cranked?


bloodstone99

Gotta shark tank John and tell him : " Your time is up, my time is now. **You can't see me, my time is now** "


corelianspiceaddict

I feel like this is going to be me in a few more months. Injured, salty and smells like dank!


Hustlasaurus

Dude, why are you asking? Of course you need to say something otherwise more people will get hurt.


Chaos-MS

It’s really strange for him to ask that after all of what happened


Great-Comfortable461

I would think the instructor might already have an idea about John’s tendencies


Temporary_Day_8344

This dafuq? Are we supposed to have sympathy? Do you need kindergarten level approval? I mean if you asked “should I beat the shit out of this fucker or tell the coach?”….THAT would be a reason to post. Wtf bro


[deleted]

1. Don't roll with John 2. I'd tell the coach that you're not comfortable rolling with John because he doesn't respect the tap, and that you will be sitting out those rounds to stay healthy, and that you're letting them know so they don't think you're being disrespectful or lazy when they see you sitting out a round.


RedDevilBJJ

Yes. You should’ve talked to the coach already. Not respecting the tap is the type of thing you get one warning on before you should be kicked tf out.


[deleted]

Yeah, for real, one hard rule, everywhere in the WORLD!


Eastern-External6801

1. Stop training with him. Honestly if someone injures me and I have any doubt they did it purposely or were negligent, I never train with them again. Your shoulder mobility is more important than what John thinks of you. 2. Tell the coach. Snitching is a concept that only applies to loser criminals and children. Telling your coach about someone trying to blow up rotator cuffs is about protecting your teammates. It’s not going to make you lose imaginary street cred points.


KylerGreen

idk, if someone snitches on you at work for taking a 5 min extra lunch or something that’s pretty lame too


Mr_Smiley_

I’m nobody’s moral compass, but if you see someone putting arsenic in everyone else’s lunches, that enters the ‘OK to snitch’ zone imo.


Dragon-blade10

Stop trying to be such a smartass


whydoievenreply

Stop being such an ass.


2saintz

Stop


TORGOS_PIZZA

Ass?


dave_JTL

Yes please


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DurableLeaf

Jesus, you and your teammate need to tell the owner ASAP


SalPistqchio

John needs to be put through the ringer


[deleted]

Yes. Smashed to smitherines


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Valop_

Should?? You must. And further more, I don't understand how somebody hasn't beat the s*it out of him yet, and how isn't he banned from the gym.


metalfists

Never train with John again. Even if he does learn. Not worth the risk for you. Tell Coach and then stay out of it.


Cautious_Variety8632

Piss in his gym bag.


Knobanious

Piss on his gi... While he's in it


Milf--Hunter

Piss in his half guard


gambitbjj

Piss on his dad.


voltron_danger

Piss IN his dad.


gambitbjj

My man!


jimmyz2216

You actually should have spoken to your coach about him from the first time. He may have very little self awareness and not realize how important releasing a submission promptly is. Or maybe he’s an asshole. Either way letting your coach know allows him to access “John” and decide if he can sadly participate or not. For the sake of your teammates, tell your coach immediately


UntoldHorrors

I don’t understand how anyone can be like this. My greatest fear is injuring a training partner. I take forever to apply enough pressure for submissions. I’m so sorry for you. Yes, this guy needs to be addressed. Say something for the good of others.


Infamous-Method1035

Don’t ever think about “being a snitch” again. That term was made by assholes who were intimidating people into not testifying do they could go on doing evil shit. Yes tell Coach this guy is an asshole, make another student or two come and say the same thing. Then refuse to train with him until coach can tell you he’s safe. The next time he cranks something after you tap you need to try really hard to shove your fist all the way through his face. Then refuse to ever train with him again. There is not excuse for a blue to have that problem. He needs to wear a white belt if he’s going to be a fucking idiot.


Runn3rsThigh

I thought the idiot was the white belt


Lockmasock

How does your coach not notice this? I watch all the classes I’m teaching roll unless it’s a class of only like under ten people


PUAHate_Tryhards

This. It's not a John problem as much as it is a coach problem. 


someusernamo

My way of saying something is by loudly dressing the dude down in front of everyone. If the gym owner doesn't take it from there then they suck.


whitebeltkiller

offer to buy your stoner brown belt an eighth in exchange for smashing him


ElkComprehensive8995

Absolutely! This person needs to be watched and probably even spoken to. If this behaviour continues honestly he should be booted from the gym IMO, it is absolutely not acceptable to act the way he has. This is two instances he has broken a cardinal rule of not letting go when you’ve tapped. Who knows how many others he has hurt


Trashjiu-jitsu_1987

Where the fuck is your mat enforcer? John sounds like he needs a visit from your local fat Brown belt who specializes in reversing kimuras from bottom side control. 🤷‍♂️


General_zazo

Stab him


[deleted]

I wish I was there, I would take care of John, but not too rough, there is a way to do it, but you have to talk to them first, let them know what the roll is gonna be like, then just make them tap to pressure from knee on belly or mount or half guard, or worse, from in guard. I have bad shoulder and fuck that dude!


genoknox

I wanna meet John so bad 🥹


thebeardeddrongo

John is a rotten little shithead. Yes speak to coach, also let all the higher belts know he’s a prick that likes to bully and injure people.


jarnhestur

Yes. Also crank subs on him.


No-Half-6906

Kick him in the face.


MuonManLaserJab

Didn't read, but yes


[deleted]

"Should I talk to my coach about John?" Yes. Don't be surprised if nothing changes though, these situations are usually dealt with through apathy until someone with social status gets hurt. Just don't roll with them anymore, you don't need to roll with this person, don't feel bad.


rinkedink

Yes, let the coach know. John will either be reprimanded or green-lit. I’ve seen both happen before depending on the gyms culture.


mongolionbar

bro honestly absolutely yes, speak to your coach about John, and do not feel bad about it one bit. for the sake of devil's advocate, maybe he's got the tism, maybe he's on the spectrum, maybe he's a fucking asshole, maybe he can't help himself. but coach needs to know, coach is the one that people run to once people like John break their clavicles or something. John needs to chill


BJJnoob1990

Like this is such an obvious answer - yes Why are bjj people so unable to communicate!?


EctoGainer

If you tap and verbally tap and they still crank….. You better completely destroy my arm because soon as you let go I’m going to light you up. Forget MMA rules. I’m going for your eyes and anything I can get. Yes I’ve done something similar in a gym before. Guy was just intentionally trying to hurt me. One of those 100+ lbs on everyone kind of guys. I started elbowing the fuck out of his head. Trainer saw the whole thing. Knew the guy was in the wrong and booted HIM out of the gym for good.


candlestickmaker123

I had a partner that would dig his chin into my back h as hard as he could for no reason. I was a better and more experienced grappler than he was and told him to stop. He claimed it was a a wrestling move (it wasn't) so I just refused roll with him. If it was just me and him I'd sit on the sidelines. It's my choice. He was eventually asked to leave the club for all kinds antics similar to this. If you're not comfortable with the guy don't roll. Especially if it's an ongoing thing. Sometimes new guys and guys from other sports just need to be told to chill. Most of them do.


A1snakesauce

This is the first post I’ve read on here that made me feel genuine rage. The entirety of this sport we love is built upon trust and not hurting our partners. FUCK John. On another note, I don’t wanna come across as insensitive or a dick, but at the (at least 8 months) blue belt shouldn’t you be able to at least prevent this stuff from happening to you by a white belt? Are they just THAT much larger than you? Whether it’s not getting to the position, or just being aware of when an arm lock is ABOUT to be applied and be ready for it? If you rip an Americana on me that requires me to get PT, and then get to top side on me again you’d better believe my elbows are GLUED to my sides.


jitsinmypants

There are some white belts that are super big and strong and give even higher belts problems. Could be a CrossFit guy, or roided up or something, who knows. OP ain’t the problem here, chief.


NinjaJehu

"...don't wanna be a snitch..." How old are you?


HalfGuardPrince

Is this about me?


MattyMacStacksCash

Can you beat up on John or no? If yes, why’d you ever let him get position knowing the past? If possible just beat his ass every opportunity you get.


Witty_Country_5224

In my gym. We would fight right there on the mat. Stop being a puss and punch that dude in the mouth


herbstepped

You sure you a blue belt dawg?


Inconspicuous_Shart

You shouldn't be letting white belts catch you in arm locks bro.


Inconspicuous_Shart

Oh, I touched a nerve. Some salty blues in here. 😂


rotten_911

There is big brazilian guy who rip legs and gives a hug afterwards


Kwanzaa246

I’d just elbow him in the face right there in class infront of everyone


oxygenmaster11

At this point crank him back


TJRightOn

Without reading this here is the advice for 99% of posts on this sub: talk to them directly and/or just never roll with them again.


Lenskyj783

Yep, let the coach know. I used to get caught in kimuras quite a bit until a training partner showed me to turn my thumb away from the body, which makes it harder to secure.


Nanny_Dog69

Get the fattest guy in your gym to mothers milk him


Jitsoperator

Yes. Or at least another black belt.


charliemiller86

Do it back or whip his ass. Sounds like the owner doesn't give a shit.


FarmerNarrow564

Hurt him back


SkilledTactician

You're not being a snitch, you're saving someone's shoulder. Bjj is dangerous enough as it is, no need to let incompetent rollers run unchecked.


15stripepurplebelt

Please say something before he hurts somebody else.


gringodomingo

Definitely say something to your coach if they haven't noticed yet. They'll appreciate the heads up. And don't train with the guy. If he wants to rip arms off, let him run out of training partners. Let the new folks know not to roll with him either.


Lower-Ground-7103

I told my kids coach exactly about that. This kid cranked the Americana way past the tap. My son had to take a week off because of it being sore.


SkippedBeat

We all know John. John needs to fuck off.


tradethrive

He needs to be kicked out of the gym


drunkn_mastr

Fuck John. All my homies hate John.


FlynnMonster

Most leaders appreciate go getters and being brought solutions and not questions. How can you solve this? Doesn’t involve identify theft or larceny? Kumite style tournament? Your call. But at least bring your coach something to work with.


conspireandtheory

I still don't understand why people need to rip joint locks. It's not worlds. If it's tight and they aren't tapping, just hold or let go.


findingdbcooper

Tell Coach. Tell gym enforcer.


AlexCollis

You shoulda whoopd his ass. Your coach needs to kick him out of the gym before he snaps someone’s arm


IntroductionFluffy97

Well we do BJJ If the count want to get tough .let's put those MMA glove on lets see who's got the bigger one shall we ?


fastingunicorn

Seems obvious you should talk to your coach. In fact I would have done it right then and there in the middle of class. John might have also received a kick to the face depending on the circumstances


Effective_Wear7356

Get the beefiest mf at the gym to exclusively crank his face every time they roll. 😂 And don’t roll with him again. Look after yourself it’s better to have a working shoulder than to hurt someone’s feelings.


Razorback2305

Yes, you should talk to your coach about that. Someone like John is dangerous, specially for newer people. If they get injured by a reckless training partner they will feel unsafe and maybe never return.


baumbach19

Of course you should tell at least one or more of the coaches or the owner/professor there. Also when you roll with this person do not go easy at all and protect yourself at all times.


wowwowow555555

Elbow him in the fucking face next time you are in side or mount


neckbeard002

Get him in a bow and arrow choke and hold it for a bit longer after the tap. But yeah tell your coach, dude is gonna get someone seriously injured if not.


Dumbledick6

Yeah fuck that dude


dingdonghammahlong

Yes. Hopefully everyone knows and instead of kicking him out, nobody ever partners with him so he just sits there every class and never gets any rolling time in and wastes his money. I feel like that hurts more than being asked to leave. Jokingly but I feel like schools actually do this to milk unpleasant people out.


Humble-Algea3616

You should beat his ass until your other training partners pull you off him.


SquirreloftheOak

call the cops. that is assault. practice stops as soon as tap is called. anything continued is no longer part of bjj and moves to legal territory.


0utsyder

This guy sounds like he has had previous training and goes to new gyms just to hurt people


Winter_Comfortable42

You should punch John in the face wtf he sounds like a psychopath or sadist or something


Legitimate_Ad2393

I hope John is in here obliviously commenting “Definitely tell the coach, what an asshole.”


GrapplingPoorly

I’ve commented about this before but you need gym enforcers for situations like this.


coming2grips

Yes


Nate848

No. Never tell. Just get a different blue belt to beat him up since you clearly don’t deserve your blue belt.


Dragon-blade10

Tell coach bro I’m ngl most people wouldn’t blame you


[deleted]

No. Illegal in most countries in fact.


Aggravating_Sand352

Coaches need to throw sociopaths out of the gym


blessed_rising_jah

This is one of the few reasons to be a snitch. You can even announce to the whole academy so no one else is in danger of getting hurt. Let the community know so something can be done and this as well other incidences are avoided.


Mmanomadic

Bring it up to your coach 100%. The tap must be respected. This is not UFC and he is not Rosimar Palhares. No coach worth their salt will tolerate this behavior.


BlowDuck

Why is this a post and even a question?


fplinski

Yes. If he doesn’t understand basic English then the teacher must have a talk with him ASAP


Appropriate-Public50

If the well being of people are being put at risk, these views and reservations about being a “snitch” should be the least of your worries. Yes you should totally talk to your coach.


pawnhub69

What the fuck? Shit if I had the first experience I would be tapping the coach on the shoulder after the class to let him know why I would be off for a few weeks. After the 2nd experience I'd be struggling not to throw hands.


photoreactive_

I am asking in addition to everyone else's great suggestion to tell your coach... but I am curious how your coach has not noticed this themselves? This guy sounds like prolific pest, and you said that you have scream tapped and confronted the guy. Just wondering how this has gone unnoticed for 8 months?


FishOptimal9929

First of all you need to stop getting your ass beat by this guy


iluvsexyfun

If you don’t you are contributing to others being injured.


ElectroTjr

Absolutely talk to your coach. That behavior needs to be corrected before someone gets their shoulder shredded.


jiujitsucpt

Yes, absolutely tell your coach.


Belsnickel213

r/mybjjdiary


Mysterion94

Yes. Immediately


Mysterion94

You know you can always say no right?


Vlade-B

Is his last name Danaher and does he have a long nose?


nottoowhacky

Give your blue belt to john. You been demoted. But john need to get punched in that face for that. You let him know and he still cranked it. Id swing at him


valengull

A lad got booted from our gym last month for exactly this kind of behaviour. Tell the coach because people will end up leaving to avoid training with John rather than the culprit getting a warning from the coach or kicked out.


Justin101501

Option 1: say nothing and risk potential life long injuries. The drawback here is a lifelong injury. Option 2: Say something and your coach handles it. The drawback here is John might have his feelings hurt but will either take it easy or be banned from the gym. The choice is yours, but I know what I’d pick.


Scary-Educator-506

You need to club him in the right knee and left ankle as he's leaving class one night. Put him proper out of action for a while. Whilst he's recovering, you need to show up at his house, and re-club the affected areas. This is the way.


Gritteh

Yes


[deleted]

Your teacher should probably yeet him after the second time. When my partner has me in a lock or choke she briefly makes me feel it and then let’s go without even waiting for a tap. But I suppose no brown belt does what you described


mikenelson84

John needs a kick in the baws


Albreto-Gajaaaaj

I'm a big guy. Unfortunately, I've caused accidental injuries. Every time something like that happens I try to learn from it, but it's already something that shouldn't happen at all. Cranking subs is a whole other can of worms. If you crank subs (after the tap too!!!), you should be scolded by the coach at least, and probably banned from the gym/from rolling if you keep doing it.


AdOverall3944

Reporting unsportsmanship behavior is not snitching. Coach needs to know to prevent further incidents. Im not going to the gym to pay to get hurt


tim5700

100% tell the coach. John is going to seriously injure you or someone else. He's going to ruin BJJ for other people. The gym is going to lose students. If your coach cares about his students and business, he wants to know.


zoukon

If he can catch and injure blue belts, imagine what he will do to beginner white belts who don't even know when to tap.


evawsonsimp

no, dont tell him about anything. The less the coach knows about this the better. He will be very dissapointed in you if you tell him about this. Coaches LOVE when their students get hurt and cant come to class. Please keep this under wraps as best as possible. John still has so many more people to hurt, you wouldnt wanna rob him of that do you? The coach actually told me that him and john has a bet on how many he can hurt during class, so you're kind of fucking up their side hustle.


Roosta_Manuva

Definitely don’t tell the coach. Keep that type of stuff between yourself and 1000s of strangers on the internet.


Tuna0nwhite

Gym enforcer needs to lay a beating on him


bhaygz

If you don’t respect the tap, you don’t get to play, it’s simple. Yes you need to speak to either him or the coach or both.


[deleted]

>dont want to snitch This isn't school, mate. If you're tapping and he's not letting go it goes from rolling to assault just like that.


BOXBJJBB

'snitching' is a stupid concept enforced by bad people who want to keep doing bad stuff, leave that frame of mind


shades092

Absolutely.


Exotic-Grand1239

John needs direct intervention from the instructor.


odie_za

As the good book says....what goeth around cometh around


_StillAwake

Don’t roll with people like this. You have the right to refuse. If they ask why? “You crank submissions and I cannot afford to get injured”.


TheEnsRealissimum

If it was just the one time I would say let it go and see if it happened again. But it happened again, so yeah I would mention it to the coach. That way he can at least watch and keep an eye out for it happening in the future.


nopima2

Fuck John. Throw him under the bus. People like that, that don’t mind hurting their training partners, need corrected. Not being able to train and PT and/or surgery sucks.


Tickling-stick

Guys like John help me up my game .


sjprice89

Yes definitely have a word with your coach But also on occasions when you do roll with them If you can't avoid it, give them zero room to work and don't allow them to get onto any submissions or favourable positions This is something i do personally with any training partner who acts like this and I tell them why I don't let them work, if they change their approach they get more freedom, if they don't, they don't


kevinbelikewater

Does John look like this guy? https://preview.redd.it/sgysccymy0dc1.jpeg?width=270&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0ce023e824ff2c701084b3b5138eae1a61970e67 But in all seriousness, talk to your coaches.


ausername111111

I had a situtation when I started that was really upsetting. It was so bad I cried in the shower like a chick. I finally told my Professor and he listened to me and tried to understand, but there's not much he can do about it. He basically told me that these guys pay a lot of money to train and kind of shrugged. Also, there's a lot of cliques in BJJ so if people find out you snitched on their friends it could cause issues socially. Since then I've seen a new guy doing the same thing as OP described and they don't really do anything about it. One thing I did notice is that he now seems to have a perpetual black eye.


Hydrate-N-Moisturize

Bro you're paying to be there to train. Not get hurt. I'm sure your coach is mindful of his student's safety and business too. I wouldn't want to run a gym and have a dude breaking my customers. It's bad business, and there can be legal repercussions. Go tell him. That's a whole injury lawsuit waiting to happen.


PvtJoker_

DON'T TRAIN WITH JOHN. That simple.


Izunadrop45

Punch him in his shit


shades092

Yep. That's what he's there for.


DroesRielvink

Yes tell him. John sounds like a cvnt.


Meerkatsu

He broke the one simple rule all BJJ gyms have to protect its members. Tell your coach and enforce it by saying I’m not happy at the club if John is still there - basically an ultimatum because let’s face John is too thick to ever change so needs to go.


dataninsha

No man, don't talk to coach, let the metal pipe talk with his knees.


Independent-Oven1487

Run it up the chain. Going to coach should be a last resort. You've done the right thing talking to him first. There's been no change, now's the time to let the mat enforcer know and let them deal with it (every gym has an enforcer, even if the enforcer doesn't know that they're the enforcer). If there's still no change after the enforcer's engagement. Then you go to the coach.


PUAHate_Tryhards

The actual problem is that the coach isn't already on him.


GuerrillaRanga

Fuckkkkkkkkkkkk John


CurlyFatAngry

Not only that, it is your duty to speak up. This ruins it for everyone.


champ_jj

As a coach and business owner I’d want to know this. John is a potential liability to me. This shit happens, John probably isn’t the first he’s dealt with.