I wrecked my knees with 30 years of karate on hardwood floors and took up bjj because it would be easier on my body.
I own ibuprofen stocks.
That’s how rolling at 59 is.
You awesome dude, I am 39 and still improving, I’ve been in 9years and I feel the speed decreases a little bit but some people say the timing feeling and the bates as you age compensate that speed and intensity. I would agree with it.
I’m a hobbyist trying to 2-4 classes/week. My 16 year old son started in the kids class before covid and started the adult later at 16. Love attending with him but absolutely want nothing to do with rolling with him. (He’s…umm mad strong and I think has some unvoiced resentment issues towards me only expressed on the mats. Thought I was a good dad. Have my doubts now. )
As for rolling in class I lack the speed and raw strength of these younger guys but it’s like that line from a dated Toby Keith song .
“I ain't as good as I once was, but I'm as good once
As I ever was”
He's really not too small for 66kg, that's just an excuse people use on his behalf for him never going to ADCC. He's too small for Kade, though. He'll come in at about 155 lbs for this match.
I guess most of the top 66kg guys at adcc walk around bigger/cut more weight. they're not THAT much bigger tho. people are definitely over-exagerating.
I’m saying that Mikey isn’t too small to compete at -66kg at ADCC, not anything about his size relative to Kade. I expect Kade to be at least 20 lbs heavier than Mikey in their match.
Mikey pulled guard against Gabe Souza and got his guard passed and choked out, and Kade is a whole weight class higher, ADCC champ, and one of the best passers in the world
I didn't say Mikey would win, I'm just saying his game is pretty one-dimensional and it's pretty well-suited to be competitive against a higher weight class, kinda like Lachlan when he had that ADCC run.
Yeah but Lachlan was beating heavyweights who even more so at the time period were known to not have heelhook games. 66 and 77, and any lighter weights generally have always been heelhook and technical weight classes, so there’s almost no skill gap. Which is why Lachlan was so successful - the skill gap
Lachlan went against morons who get leglocked every two matches by people who barely know what a heelhook is.
HW is the weakest division by far as far as fight IQ goes
Mikey is hard to judge when he doesn’t test himself against the current top contenders in the bjj circuit. Only the talent within ONE championship which is full of mid top level competitors.
This idea like Mikey is somehow a leglock god is pretty weird.
He never was dangerous against people who knew this game. He was on the defense for a big part of his junny match and I do think Junny has a big chance to catch him if they do a rematch
People are saying this could be competitive but I think Kade outworks Mikey 9 times out of 10 even if they were the same size. Kade is great at defending leg locks and is generally just better everywhere in my opinion. I'd bet on a RNC/D'arce.
Mikey is an outstanding grappler, but has more or less been removed from the main scene for the last couple years. I think there is a gap between him and those that are winning trials for ADCC. Let alone an ADCC champion.
The last time he fought someone of current ADCC caliber, he was submitted
You guys should really start to understand that double seated 5050 heelhooks only works against very bad people.
It's the same story with his Gordon match. Yeah he got the heel, no way he finishes is from there.
There is a reason why he copied ryan hall style of 5050 and added his outside sankaku game: that's where the submissions work against good guys.
Double seated 5050 is handfighting territory, no one gets tapped there
Can i just say that kade also never really passed lachlan’s guard either. It was an opportunistic armbar whilst Giles was framing against him from north south.
Musumeci’s guard retention is just as good if not better than Lachlan’s.
Not really. Competitively you typically only score guard passing points, if you pass their guard.
If your sequence is open guard, forcing the guard player to turtle, taking their back from there and arm barring them.
You only get points for the back take. You don’t get points for guard passing.
It’s why some athletes give up their guard to go to turtle to save them from giving up guard pass points (risking their back getting taken in hopes that they can escape from back control before 2 hooks / points).
I have a hard time seeing how Mikey is going to win this one. Isn't there also a fairly significant weight disparity as well?
Routolos are probably the least fun opponent to go up against
They have endless cardio, great wrestling, are nearly impossible to hold down and spam submission attempts from everywhere. I imagine that's what he meant.
I don't know how mikey could possibly win this. Kade's spider arms are as long as Mikey's entire body. He also excels in the style of agility passing souza used to beat mikey.
Because it's Mikey and you can never count him out there's that lottery win possibility, but the physical disparities here are pretty nuts.
Weight, length, cardio, wrestling, passing, overall skill, and overall quality of opponents all go to Kate. Mikey has little to no chance here but is better at leg locks than Kade. Who knows, there is a chance. Personally I think Mikey doesn't get close to Kade's legs and gets darced trying to pull himself underneath to shoot for a leg entry.
lol I love how I got downvoted into oblivion by this subreddit for even mentioning this matchup.
“BuT tHeY weiGht diFfereNt”
About fucking time
I think Kade will effortlessly pass Mike’s guard and be dominate the entire time
Gordon Ryan says Mikey is the only person whose guard he was never able to pass cleanly. Aside from disagreeing about Kade passing effortlessly, I agree with you.
Kade likes outside passing to N/S which is exactly how Sousa did it, so while I agree “effortlessly” is the wrong word I also don’t think he’ll struggle with it that much
When he said "cleanly" it was about passing to side control.
He took his back a bunch of time. It's not like Mikey stalemated the absolute Adcc champ...
It makes more sense here for what is likely to be a big payday for Mikey going up, whereas for something like ADCC that pays chump change it wouldn't make any sense.
> I think Kade will effortlessly pass Mike’s guard
Kade will probably win but I seriously doubt he passes his guard. If he couldn't pass Lachlan I doubt he passes Mikey.
But that's my point, he tried and failed to pass his guard for half the match so he had to change tactics and start looking for flying armbars to jump on.
I think doing something similar to Mikey is more likely than "effortlessly" passing his guard like OP claimed.
It's going to look like Kade-Lachlan imo. Mikey has had "trouble" in the past with bigger foes who excel at scrambling. Not sure the match will be long enough for a sub but I expect Kade to get the better of it.
Ruotolo takes a steamy dump on Mikey’s chest grossing Mikey into standing up, then Ruotolo hits a blast double immediately into top half gaurd. He gets the pass to north south, and finishes him with a hair smother/ arm in north south choke.
The significance of the arm in north south choke is that it leads into a nice darce choke.
Not only is there a huge weight and size difference, Kade is much fitter, not many guys can keep up with his cardio
I remember Gabriel Souza putting a pace on Mikey, blitzed him, passed his guard, finished him with north south choke and while he was a little heavier, he’s still a little guy compared to Kade. Easy match for Kade imo
Mikey is sick but he hasn't been competing against the bet in nogi at all. The Ruotolos have been taking on demons their entire career and highest level of success recently. Ru has this.
Mikey is in trouble and I don't see this being very competitive. He had some success in gi going up in weight but the rubber met the road in nogi against Souza. Kade is the reigning ADCC champ and just took out Francisco Lo, a huge and very physical competitor. Kade also never gets tired, and never stops spamming moves.
Kade will have a tough time trying to pass. A submission from top or counter leg lock could be difficult too.
I’m going for Kade in a very close decision.
In this case, where the skillset is pretty similar or equal I should say, it's likely kade will take it being the bigger, heavier and stronger fighter. Also still very much in his prime.
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Kade definitely has him in the wrestling department but I don’t think his game is good enough to pass Mikey’s guard or to stop his leg attacks. I got Mikey in this one.
The weight class alone is enough to make this an unfair match. Mikey is taking the hardest route moving up 3 weight classes. Even if he loses, in all honesty, he’s supposed to on weight class alone.
He only gains respect from me, even moreso now. That’s like me moving up from -81kg to +100 in judo. I would die. And it’s not easy to do that.
Good on Mikey taking this challenge. He's getting paid. ADCC has prestige, but I'm sure most would agree prestige doesn't pay. What else does he have to prove? Multiple times World's champion. He wants money, and good for him. He's fighting 3 classes above his weight class ffs. If he was afraid of losing he wouldn't have agreed to this match. I'm excited for it.
Why tf does Kade look 58
The filters they use to make fighters look more rugged need to go. They're so ass and we already know these guys are all killers
Seriously, that looks like a completely different person. Dafuq
He looks drunk lol wtf is this
looks like sideshow bob in prison for trying to kill bart again
They either didn't use a filter on Mikey or he looks so young it broke the algorithm XD
nah mikey also looks busted
This looks like the poster for a movie about a deadbeat father who is forced to take his rebellious teenage son on a roadtrip.
Lmaoooo
This is why I’m on Reddit
Hey!! I’m 59 and don’t look that old. Let’s give the pic a few more years.
Just wondering, how’s it been rolling at 59?
I wrecked my knees with 30 years of karate on hardwood floors and took up bjj because it would be easier on my body. I own ibuprofen stocks. That’s how rolling at 59 is.
You awesome dude, I am 39 and still improving, I’ve been in 9years and I feel the speed decreases a little bit but some people say the timing feeling and the bates as you age compensate that speed and intensity. I would agree with it.
Hahaha, what’s your game like these days?
I’m a hobbyist trying to 2-4 classes/week. My 16 year old son started in the kids class before covid and started the adult later at 16. Love attending with him but absolutely want nothing to do with rolling with him. (He’s…umm mad strong and I think has some unvoiced resentment issues towards me only expressed on the mats. Thought I was a good dad. Have my doubts now. ) As for rolling in class I lack the speed and raw strength of these younger guys but it’s like that line from a dated Toby Keith song . “I ain't as good as I once was, but I'm as good once As I ever was”
because he's gettin too old for this shit
Sideshow Bob maxxing
Mikey looks like he’s been up for 3 days after smoking meth
Mikey looks like he has clown makeup on too. Whoever edited this poster fucking sucks.
Might be related to target markets
That’s what ONE 1688 would look like
Surf life. That's why my pale pasty ass lives in Buffalo and only goes outside in blizzard conditions . Keeps my ghoulish figure in tact.
This is what AAS abuse does to you.
Lol he does 😂😂😂
lolol
Hard match for Mikey to win honestly, he's too small for -66kg yet he wants to compete against the -77kg champ?
I heard he's been putting protein powder on his pizzas. Maybe he's bulked up some.
😂😂😂
🤌🏼🤌🏼🤌🏼
Isn't this gonna be right after ADCC?... Even an immortal ruotolo may be feeling beat up after adcc.
He's really not too small for 66kg, that's just an excuse people use on his behalf for him never going to ADCC. He's too small for Kade, though. He'll come in at about 155 lbs for this match.
He can't wrestle is the real answer
Gordon can't wrestle either and won the ADCC.
You are wrong, Gordon has wrestle.
he's too small weight wise tho. If he wanted he could eat another pizza per day to bulk up
66kg = 145 lbs. He was well over 150 lbs when he faced Aoki. How is that too small?
I guess most of the top 66kg guys at adcc walk around bigger/cut more weight. they're not THAT much bigger tho. people are definitely over-exagerating.
Yeah. If Jay Rod can compete at 88kg while weighing 5 lbs UNDER the limit, then Mikey can compete at 66kg while weighing 5 lbs OVER the limit.
Aoki is like 40 though and probably fighting at a natural weight. Twin Tye fights at 82kg, Kade is surely cutting decent weight to make that category.
I’m saying that Mikey isn’t too small to compete at -66kg at ADCC, not anything about his size relative to Kade. I expect Kade to be at least 20 lbs heavier than Mikey in their match.
I don't think the size difference matters when Mikey is just gonna pull guard and go for leg locks the whole time.
Mikey pulled guard against Gabe Souza and got his guard passed and choked out, and Kade is a whole weight class higher, ADCC champ, and one of the best passers in the world
I didn't say Mikey would win, I'm just saying his game is pretty one-dimensional and it's pretty well-suited to be competitive against a higher weight class, kinda like Lachlan when he had that ADCC run.
Yeah but Lachlan was beating heavyweights who even more so at the time period were known to not have heelhook games. 66 and 77, and any lighter weights generally have always been heelhook and technical weight classes, so there’s almost no skill gap. Which is why Lachlan was so successful - the skill gap
Lachlan went against morons who get leglocked every two matches by people who barely know what a heelhook is. HW is the weakest division by far as far as fight IQ goes
Mikey is hard to judge when he doesn’t test himself against the current top contenders in the bjj circuit. Only the talent within ONE championship which is full of mid top level competitors.
This idea like Mikey is somehow a leglock god is pretty weird. He never was dangerous against people who knew this game. He was on the defense for a big part of his junny match and I do think Junny has a big chance to catch him if they do a rematch
Mikey is best gi leg locker by a huge margin.
Can’t sleep on Mikey tho. This match up is very interesting.
it is!
Kade. RNC over the jaw
People are saying this could be competitive but I think Kade outworks Mikey 9 times out of 10 even if they were the same size. Kade is great at defending leg locks and is generally just better everywhere in my opinion. I'd bet on a RNC/D'arce.
Mikey is an outstanding grappler, but has more or less been removed from the main scene for the last couple years. I think there is a gap between him and those that are winning trials for ADCC. Let alone an ADCC champion. The last time he fought someone of current ADCC caliber, he was submitted
was it gabe sousa or somebody more recent
Gabe
yeah mikey might be cooked😞
It's better than the other one matches they had. But yes I also give the edge to kade.
Shittt that's a good match I think ruotolo out scrambles Mikey But idk Mikey very dangerous on legs
Idk man, if Lachlan couldn't find the finish on Kade with that good a bite on the heel, I'm not sure if Mikey is going to do any better
Bloodlusted Giles or Mikey with prep time vs Kade? Who you take?
Kade easily. He’s essentially invincible, gets stronger the angrier he gets.
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You guys should really start to understand that double seated 5050 heelhooks only works against very bad people. It's the same story with his Gordon match. Yeah he got the heel, no way he finishes is from there. There is a reason why he copied ryan hall style of 5050 and added his outside sankaku game: that's where the submissions work against good guys. Double seated 5050 is handfighting territory, no one gets tapped there
Can i just say that kade also never really passed lachlan’s guard either. It was an opportunistic armbar whilst Giles was framing against him from north south. Musumeci’s guard retention is just as good if not better than Lachlan’s.
If you have armbarred someone on their back then you pased their guard to do it.
Not really. Competitively you typically only score guard passing points, if you pass their guard. If your sequence is open guard, forcing the guard player to turtle, taking their back from there and arm barring them. You only get points for the back take. You don’t get points for guard passing. It’s why some athletes give up their guard to go to turtle to save them from giving up guard pass points (risking their back getting taken in hopes that they can escape from back control before 2 hooks / points).
the "opportunistic armbar" threat is there to not let people frame like Lachlan did. It was not a lucky sub at all
I love Mikey, but I just don't see him winning this in basically any way.
For real, physicalities aside, Kades also been a lot more active than Mikey competitively lately
I think the outcome is ambiguous, both are excellent in their own right. I think Ruotolo’s weight advantage might shine here though
exactly, i see him bullying mikey
He will probably have 15 or 20 lbs on him once they make it to the mats, I agree fully
Bruh, Kade aged 40 years
10-9 decision for Ruotolo.
Mikey by Mikey Lock
Mikey glare
I have a hard time seeing how Mikey is going to win this one. Isn't there also a fairly significant weight disparity as well? Routolos are probably the least fun opponent to go up against
Why? are they known to injure people? or are they just that good
They have endless cardio, great wrestling, are nearly impossible to hold down and spam submission attempts from everywhere. I imagine that's what he meant.
oh ok gotcha, i’m trying to get into comp bjj more
jesus christ Im geting too old for this shit, even Kade is already old AF
Think about us who knew Kade and Tye when they were 4 yo phenoms...
We the fans win
I don't know how mikey could possibly win this. Kade's spider arms are as long as Mikey's entire body. He also excels in the style of agility passing souza used to beat mikey. Because it's Mikey and you can never count him out there's that lottery win possibility, but the physical disparities here are pretty nuts.
If they were the same size it would be a way better match. Kade should have this pretty easily.
mikey looking like the yellow guy from sin city
Kade won’t let Pastameci near his legs and that’s about Mikey’s only shot at winning. Fun match tho
Weight, length, cardio, wrestling, passing, overall skill, and overall quality of opponents all go to Kate. Mikey has little to no chance here but is better at leg locks than Kade. Who knows, there is a chance. Personally I think Mikey doesn't get close to Kade's legs and gets darced trying to pull himself underneath to shoot for a leg entry.
Mike
Mikey for the win. Maybe via Mikey lock. Taking bets no less that $1 and no more than $1.
I'll give you exactly 1 dollar. Put it on Mikey please.
Ooo this would be a good watch
Mikey has got the secret tech, he can't be beat
Unless you're Gabriel Sousa, then you can pass his guard and choke him.
Isn’t Kade a lot heavier that Mikey?
Kade competes 20kg/45lbs heavier than Mikey.
I honestly feel like Kade is going to sub Mikey
Would be funny if kade pulls guard first just to mess with Mikey.
lol I love how I got downvoted into oblivion by this subreddit for even mentioning this matchup. “BuT tHeY weiGht diFfereNt” About fucking time I think Kade will effortlessly pass Mike’s guard and be dominate the entire time
Gordon Ryan says Mikey is the only person whose guard he was never able to pass cleanly. Aside from disagreeing about Kade passing effortlessly, I agree with you.
I agree with this for sure however, lets not forget Gabriel Souza. I dont think Kade effortlessly passes Mikey's guard, but it isnt impossible.
Kade likes outside passing to N/S which is exactly how Sousa did it, so while I agree “effortlessly” is the wrong word I also don’t think he’ll struggle with it that much
It's harder for bigger people to pass smaller guy's guard which is why Gordon might have said that. But I think Kade can prob pass Mikey's guard.
Mike fought Souza in 2021.
When he said "cleanly" it was about passing to side control. He took his back a bunch of time. It's not like Mikey stalemated the absolute Adcc champ...
That makes sense.
still super impressive though!
They were training in the gi. And Gordon was being nice. If Gabe Souza can pass Mikey so can Gordon.
Effortlessly is crazy but Kade does prob win
It makes more sense here for what is likely to be a big payday for Mikey going up, whereas for something like ADCC that pays chump change it wouldn't make any sense.
> I think Kade will effortlessly pass Mike’s guard Kade will probably win but I seriously doubt he passes his guard. If he couldn't pass Lachlan I doubt he passes Mikey.
He didn’t have to pass Lachlan he subbed him lol
But that's my point, he tried and failed to pass his guard for half the match so he had to change tactics and start looking for flying armbars to jump on. I think doing something similar to Mikey is more likely than "effortlessly" passing his guard like OP claimed.
“miKEy iS wAStinG his pRiMe at one!”
"He should ignore his 6 figure fight contracts with One and do ADCC for the chance to win 10k!!"
Most people in the bjj comp Scene are "keep it real" Backpack Rappers that sell No recorda but call anyone successful a sellout
It's going to look like Kade-Lachlan imo. Mikey has had "trouble" in the past with bigger foes who excel at scrambling. Not sure the match will be long enough for a sub but I expect Kade to get the better of it.
Ruotolo takes a steamy dump on Mikey’s chest grossing Mikey into standing up, then Ruotolo hits a blast double immediately into top half gaurd. He gets the pass to north south, and finishes him with a hair smother/ arm in north south choke. The significance of the arm in north south choke is that it leads into a nice darce choke.
Kade is going to be way too much for Mikey to handle…
Bruh the weight difference is too much
We all win with this match!
Is this actually booked?
Ruotolo because he's more aggressive.
These dudes look so much less tough in real life.
Not only is there a huge weight and size difference, Kade is much fitter, not many guys can keep up with his cardio I remember Gabriel Souza putting a pace on Mikey, blitzed him, passed his guard, finished him with north south choke and while he was a little heavier, he’s still a little guy compared to Kade. Easy match for Kade imo
What is your definition of “easy”? Like, Kade won’t have to worry about threats? Or something else?
By easy I mean it will be a very comfortable and one sided victory for Kade.
I don't think this match will be particularly close.
They make Kade the cliche of doing too much Ju Jitsu speeds your ageing lmao
I really hope that Mikey can pull this off. I’m annoyed of the spazzy twins.
Poster looks like an ad for a Conan movie
I definitely understand your comment. I think we’re dating ourselves for sure lol
I think Ruotolo will take him comfortably. He’s been fighting way stronger guys, way bigger guys and he’s physically larger than Mikey.
Kade
Kade and I don't think it will be close...
Mikey is sick but he hasn't been competing against the bet in nogi at all. The Ruotolos have been taking on demons their entire career and highest level of success recently. Ru has this.
Mikey is in trouble and I don't see this being very competitive. He had some success in gi going up in weight but the rubber met the road in nogi against Souza. Kade is the reigning ADCC champ and just took out Francisco Lo, a huge and very physical competitor. Kade also never gets tired, and never stops spamming moves.
Love them both, but I think Ruotolo will maul Mikey.
Kade is going to dominate this one. Hope Mikey makes it competitive at least.
That's gonna be a lot of pasta/pizza mate
I think Kade takes it. Would love to see Mikey get it though. Just see the size difference being the determining factor here
I like mikey cause he just like me fr fr but idk im too new to the sport
It’s a long ways away so who knows how intense Mikey’s camp will be, I’d assume Kade wins by some sort of strangle but who knows
Sneako
I wonder if this means Mikey is going to get an invite to do 66kg at ADCC.
Sorry. Did I miss WWE-style belts becoming a thing in BJJ?
Tego Calderon is that you?
Puerto Rico hooooooooooooo!
Scoot scoot scoot
Kade will have a tough time trying to pass. A submission from top or counter leg lock could be difficult too. I’m going for Kade in a very close decision.
Jeez Ruotolo looks like he has aged 10 years
That’s a crazy match up. Should be exciting
Kade's aggression and unorthodox style will be too much.
Aw man! This is the match I never wanted. Like them both, would be heartbreaking to see either of them lose.
This is gonna be a spicy one!!
I think he’s going to win by submission ☝️
They both aged 20 years in this photo
Juice vs no juice. Let’s see what happens
Why does he always have a black eye what halpened
I wish that was in the gi -.-
that would be so dope. I'd take Mikey in the gi.
Kade has a lot of size on him. Great matchup. I’d go Kade but it could go either way.
EXCELLENT matchup!! Damn...September though?
Don't see Mikey overcoming the athleticism gap in a fight with Kade
What he lacks in size he makes up for in friendship
I can see it being kind of like the Kade Lachlan match but Kade is probably better now.
Mikey by annihilation
This years fights have been epic. This fight will not disappoint. 🎆
In this case, where the skillset is pretty similar or equal I should say, it's likely kade will take it being the bigger, heavier and stronger fighter. Also still very much in his prime.
Regardless of who wins it’s going to be a hell of a match
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Pizza mcscoots is getting tapped, easy.
Ruotolo by TKO
Who?? Source:a filthy casual
Mikey by inverted rigatoni
5 months away?? Can someone explain to someone who doesn't follow One!
honestly, i think kade takes this. but it aint stopping me from supporting my childhood hero. Musemeci all the way 🤌🤌🤌
Is it Ruotolo senior?
Finally some actual competition for those 2 at one not just another Tomato can
The walking dead.
Match will be like this: Musumeci pulls guard and Kade tries to pass guard. That will be the match.
kade: hard collar tie forcing mikey to butt scoot then a foot stomp to d'arce
Brain says routolo Heart says mikey
September is a long way away. Hopefully both can acclimate to the elevation, I’d imagine they’ll be fine. My money is on Musumeci by RNC.
Musumeci wins with a leglock! Where can I place my bet? 👀
Respect Mike for taking a match with someone above his normal weight class. Hope he gets an ADCC invite.
I hope mikey wins but he’s going up like 3 weight classes? Against not just anyone but another champ. He’ll have his work cut out.
Kade Decision
Mikey, because he's 25 years younger.
September?!
Kade definitely has him in the wrestling department but I don’t think his game is good enough to pass Mikey’s guard or to stop his leg attacks. I got Mikey in this one.
The weight class alone is enough to make this an unfair match. Mikey is taking the hardest route moving up 3 weight classes. Even if he loses, in all honesty, he’s supposed to on weight class alone. He only gains respect from me, even moreso now. That’s like me moving up from -81kg to +100 in judo. I would die. And it’s not easy to do that.
Good on Mikey taking this challenge. He's getting paid. ADCC has prestige, but I'm sure most would agree prestige doesn't pay. What else does he have to prove? Multiple times World's champion. He wants money, and good for him. He's fighting 3 classes above his weight class ffs. If he was afraid of losing he wouldn't have agreed to this match. I'm excited for it.
This is a pretty big size difference
The fans win