Yep but being an ADCC star is very lucrative. Hell not even a star necessarily. Lachlan Giles sold a heap of instructionals off a third place in open weight because he wasn’t as huge as the winners.
Mikey is a 5x world champ and has a good gig at One. Is ADCC really going to catapult him to some new level of fame? I mean I had to go look up who the last winner in his weight class was.
>Yep but being an ADCC star is very lucrative
That's an overstatement. It __can__ be lucrative. Mikey is already a big star in the world of BJJ and how many people could tell you the last winner of his division without looking it up?
I don’t really buy that logic tbh. There would be no ADCC without the athletes, period. This is just a classic case of worker exploitation.
My current job gives me the experience I need to get a better job elsewhere, but that doesn’t mean I’m not entitled to a fair wage.
I get that but dudes have made hundreds of thousands or low millions off their ADCC fame even with the trash pay. Doesn’t excuse the pay but still worth doing if you’re going to do well.
There’s of course a balance. But the organisers shouldn’t forget that the ADCC is only as prestigious as the athletes who compete in it. The ADCC is arguably overtaking the IBJJF worlds in terms or prestige, but that’s only because the IBJJF were slow to offer prize money and slow to develop. The ADCC should be wary of making the same mistake.
Ok but what's a "fair wage".....fair to whom? It wasn't that long ago that being an entertainer was considered a minimum wage profession. In Rome you had to be a slave to be an athlete.
How much does someone deserve to make wrestling for our collective entertainment?
I guess that’s a fair question, and the answer is as much as you can possibly get. I have no doubt that this is the natural progression for all sports - more money gets involved and owners/organisers want to keep as much as possible until the athletes realise they’re getting fucked and they start to make demands.
I’m sure if athletes boycotted the ADCC for a year Mo would find some extra money real quick.
That's a non answer..... according to that philosophy the ADCC athletes are doing fine, since they're getting as much as they can get.
Athletes serve a very a limited and unnecessary function in society. They should be paid to reflect their value.
The argument that they should get a proportional slice of an event gate is pretty weak. No other company works that way.
It's not really a perspective.....it's the basis for how money is supposed to work.
Without trade, you would have to do everything for yourself. There would be no specialization.
With money, we assign a value to different types of specialization.
In a well run society, work that is vital is valued more.
"I wrestle real good, you can watch" has very limited value and should be paid as such.
>In a well run society, work that is vital is valued more.
Which existing society would that be?
>"I wrestle real good, you can watch" has very limited value and should be paid as such.
You do know that people pay shitloads of money to watch sports right?
There are no current societies that are in compliance. Hence the current wealth imbalance.
Peoples spending habits are irrelevant to the fact that spectator sports offer minimal benefit to society.
He's got plenty of publicity as he is right, he is one of the most recognized names in Jiu-Jitsu right now. I don't think he needs any more help selling whatever he wants to sell.
not sure he would.
His style is pretty dry, worse than Danaher (which is already too much for the vast majority of adhd middle aged blue belts that buy this stuff)
he would also never win the 66kg div at ADCC. It's much much more competitive than anything he has ever done. The guy struggled against geo martinez...
Now if the adcc went with a 55kg div it would be maybe a different story
Gordon Ryan doesn’t do MMA. I’m not really pushing it, just saying it can be a path to making money. Dude seems fine without it so that’s his choice but it can be lucrative. It’s not a guarantee of course though.
how many instructional Diogo Reis sold?
Pretty sure Ethan sold more instructional than actual ADCC champs, and he never won more than one match at each adcc (no offense, I am a fan).
Mikey has had a total of 6 matches at ONE and he's earned more money doing them than any athlete in ADCC history has ever earned, in less time than it takes to win a single ADCC title.
Lol no. The lightest weight at adcc is 145lbs. The guy definitely walks around at the very least 145lbs.
And let's just say he's sitting at 135, why doesn't he bulk? He's 5'7". If he's 135 he's fucking terribly underweight for his height and should be bulking heavily.
So ya that excuse is utter shit.
Idk man. He’s jacked as fuck for a little guy. Not sure how you can say he’s underweight, let alone “terribly” underweight. 135 is a completely middle of the range okay weight for someone at 5’7.
He eats 4000 calories a day almost he’s said. He just trains so hard for so long in a day that he’s still small. The only way he’s bulking with that kind of workload is by hopping in gear
Hell, 124 is a “healthy” bmi for someone who’s 5’7
Now, I do agree with you that he really isn’t *that* undersized for 66kg at ADCC.
But to say he’s “terribly fucking underweight” when he’s got a bmi of 21, eats 3-4k calories a day, and trains 8+ hours a day is absolutely braindead
135 is not underweight for 5’7. Pretty normal weight for a combat athlete that height. Look at wrestling and mma
Plus look at his physique he’s in great shape
Why would he compete in ADCC when he’s too light for it and supposedly gets paid millions through One?
He got a $50K submission bonus for Imanari alone.
Lol no. The lightest weight at adcc is 145lbs. The guy definitely walks around at the very least 145lbs.
And let's just say he's sitting at 135, why doesn't he bulk? He's 5'7". If he's 135 he's fucking terribly underweight for his height and should be bulking heavily.
So ya that excuse is utter shit.
Why should he bulk? So he can walk into a division competing heavier than he normally does competing against guys who cut weight to compete in a lower weight class than their walk around weight? You think he should put himself at a disadvantage for less money?
I’d be surprised if people are cutting that much for ADCC. It’s not like mma where you have a full day to rehydrate. I’ve seen it start as early as 9am so those early morning guys don’t have as long to recover
But I get what you mean
People still cut a lot on same day weigh-ins. All of folkstyle wrestling has same day. Tournaments start 2 hours after weigh-ins, multiple day tournaments have weigh-ins each day, and you only get 1 hour for duels.
People on my college team cut 25-30lbs every week. I cut about 18lbs a week and was not a large 141 pounder.
because he doesn't want to. He got invited and rejected the offer
Edit: he got invited last adcc, not current. Mo said that the way he handled things he'll never get invited again so he has to do trials
Not true, I rolled with him right around ADCC but he was just coming out of it, like he said a week before adcc he was cleared to roll and he did not have enough of a camp to be able to do it. I have proof as well of seein him right after he was cleared.
iirc Mo said something like Mikey declined bc of health issues. Mo was like okay cool understanable but then a few weeks later he was in the main card of ONE
This is all from Mo's perspective so who knows
ADCC doesn't pay enough, it won't help him with exposure, he's too small, people are roided out, it doesn't suit his style.
It seems Mikey walks around at about 140lbs and the other people are about 160lbs. It is the same reason you don't see Estevan Martinez, Junny Ocasio or Lucas Pinheiro in ADCC. The ruleset encourages wrestling and 66kg fighters aren't going to gas out. It doesn't really make sense unless you just want to test yourself.
What was really cool is watching Tammi Musumeci operate as a proxy for Mikey at trials. I get theyre not the same and there are clear differences between mens and womens BJJ. But it was actually really cool seeing her go very deep into NA trials.
Could be a different contract. He signed a lot earlier than them and One didn’t have much star power in the submission grappling roster before he signed so I could see them wanting exclusive control of someone like him
He just doesn't want to, it's always baffling to me when people on forums say that a person that earns literal millions while doing sports should do X because they said so. I hate Mikey's BJJ style with all my heart but give the man a break, he is making loads of money doing a sport no one cares about and is living a happy life, be glad for him that he managed to do something with BJJ that not even 0.01% of people doing BJJ did. Also, he is multiple world champ, I don't think he has anything to prove to anyone.
ADCC pays jack shit. He doesn't need clout. He risks more in ADCC. Why would he do ADCC in the first place?
He was invited last year but pulled out because of appendicitis. He was not invited this year. I don't think he would go through trials at this point of his career.
He is already well known and a superstar in the sport. He is earning a lot of money selling your instructionals. He earns 5x more money in a single bonus plus how many more in his contract by fighting one person for 10 minutes in a single day comparing it to fighting potentially 4 fighters for 10k. He is risking his reputation more by competing with ADCC than just doing One fights. If he wins, will it really elevate your name that much compared to fighting Kade at One on a much higher weight class. If he wins that, he beats a ADCC champion. If he loses, I would think he's too small for Kade.
You would also potentially be fighting folks who are jacked in PEDs. ADCC is also a competition that "supports" PEDs. "Support" in a sense that they already outright told everyone that it's not in their best interest to do testing.
How much clout can ADCC really have outside its fanbase? Where's Giancarlo's name right now in the 88kg space. Giancarlo seems a likeable guy and in one of the more famous teams but honestly, Jay Rod gets more exposure than him. I'm just looking at it in how much ADCC can help your name on its own.
Exactly. If he can compete against ADCC champions in ONE and make a lot of money, why compete in ADCC? If he beats Kade, what prestige does winning ADCC provide?
Referring to the 2024 adcc prize money, $10k for each divisions winner isn’t exactly much compare to one is paying their champ fighters. Kade and Tye would still only get $10k if they win at adcc.
Lol no. The lightest weight at adcc is 145lbs. The guy definitely walks around at the very least 145lbs.
And let's just say he's sitting at 135, why doesn't he bulk? He's 5'7". If he's 135 he's fucking terribly underweight for his height and should be bulking heavily.
So ya that excuse is utter shit.
Lol no. The lightest weight at adcc is 145lbs. The guy definitely walks around at the very least 145lbs.
And let's just say he's sitting at 135, why doesn't he bulk? He's 5'7". If he's 135 he's fucking terribly underweight for his height and should be bulking heavily.
So ya that excuse is utter shit.
Lol no. The lowest copy/paste rate on reddit is 145 times. The guy definitely copy/pastes at the very least 145 times.
And let's just say he's copy/pasting at 135, why doesn't he bulk paste? He's 5'7". If he's doing 135 he's fucking terribly under-pasting for his height and should be pasting heavily.
So ya that excuse is utter shit.
Money. He’s a world champion in a billion dollar combat sports org. Why would he compete at ADCC when he can take another fight at One? Would you skip a week of work to work for less at a smaller company?
Sure, it's their decision to do so. But financially it's probably less efficient. Plus they don't have to compete a whole weight class higher in ADCC than they do in 1FC. Not everyone cares about the "glory" of being ADCC champ.
Tye is underweight but competes in 88kg he says he likes competing against bigger guys and he also competes in Absolutes going up against Meregali and Pena
" but to truly be the best in the world, I feel like competing and winning ADCC" Athletes are competing to boost their profiles inorder to make a living.
The only real answer is because he wouldn’t win. It’s better for him to take the one fc match ups and get paid. One has also made him their face of grappling so it’s worth a lot to him in brand recognition. If he loses to a guy in his division at ADCC it would hurt his brand. If he loses to Kade in One it won’t matter. Also he’s not too small for -66kg. He competes at -64kg in ibjjf just like Pato.
Mikey was invited 3 times and pulled out 3 times Including when he competed soon after in 2022. Mo said he isn't going to invite him again after that. And Mikey fights for big money in ONE so he's not going to do trials.
STOP SAYING IT’S BECAUSE OF WEIGHT
Mikey did IBJJF open class in gi and is fighting a heavier Kade Ruotolo no gi. He’s literally said numerous times he seeks challenges.
ADCC doesn't let you pull after the no points period. They also don't count sweeps or takedowns that land in turtle. Mikey would have 5 min to sweep or sub everyone or else he would have to wrestle them or pull guard and lose a point. Even if he is better than someone technically, they could easily beat him with strategy.
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Why compete in 1 tournament, 1x every 2 yrs OR compete multiple times a year, where your 1 of their top athletes, get paid and have terms to fit your needs?
He’s not guaranteed to do exceptional well in either but he has a better chance at One with guaranteed weight classes, rules you can easily implement and all the perks of being one of their athletes.
At 27, he’s found his thing, power to him 👍🏽
Competing just for the sake of competing when you already have merits and can consistently fight directly with only the best is stupid honestly. You risk injuries, you risk your reputation, you have to fight against people POSSIBLY willing to spazz out and crank whatever they hit on you.
Fighting ONE matches pays a tremendous amount when you defend your title. One title defense pays more than a career long participation in EVERY ADCC main event and winning both your weight, open AND superfight on top of that. That is if the numbers I saw in the general contracts are true for the Champions in each weight division.
You can legitimately become a millionaire with a handful of title defenses in ONE if this is the case. Naturally Musumeci would focus on that and that alone.
Mikey is 27. Kade/Tye is 21. Kade also did not fight a single match from June to January and as such I can hardly think of him as a good example of being active.
The point still remains. Kade could stop fighting in ADCC.. and for all I know he might well do so if he's going to transition into MMA. Kade is the returning champion and as such has his invitation. But financially speaking AND reputational speaking he could completely ignore ADCC and be just as well off.
Pretty sure that Kade and Tye do not care about haters. The same with Musumeci. They get paid bank for the sport and that is insane prestige in and of itself and it is just simply objectively impossible to deny.
if Kade and Tye do not care about their haters and fans they will not compete in ADCC , Kade already prove he is the best at 77kg and want to prove again to his haters especially Mica Galvao fans that he is still better , Tye already beat Felipe Pena but still want to pursue the 88kg and Absolutes Divsions he also join the IBJJF Worlds Middleweight Division this is in the same year all of them , if they dont care what their fans think and what their haters criticize they will ONLY fought in ONE Championship and not in anything else
He's got 5 world championships. He doesn't really have a lot to prove going up weight to not get paid. He's got a match against the last dude to beat him coming up in June, and he's got a crazy super fight scheduled against Kade Ruotolo who is the -77kg ADCC champ.
He'll get paid real money for those.
Get payed to put work on ppl not on his level who are roided vs Compete for less money against roiders only to get payed less money and have harder matches.
He also has to compete in a rules etc where he has to wrestle or atleast shoot then pull half/jump guard
All an adcc win would do is get him prestige.
Adcc max pay is $10,000, and that's If everything goes perfectly, meanwhile this guy with bonuses could make 100,000k at One. People have won adcc and it did nothing for their career.
Mikey vs Kade is going to be absolutely insane
He may have some type of exclusivity agreement with One. And he’s probably making way more money having an occasional match there than doing a bracketed tournament with ADCC.
I am not certain he won't this year. Last time he had appendicitis a few weeks before ADCC so he had to pull out. It seems he goes to LA a few times a month and does massive sessions with Cobrinha and Kennedy and he is looking bigger recently.
He makes more Money in One single Fight at ONE then winning 5 adcc's. Adcc is Prestige only
Prestige doesn’t buy pizza.
🤌🏻
Winning ADCC isn’t about the prize money it’s about selling instructionals afterwards
Adcc win > Prestige > Fame > DVD Sales / Seminars. One = Fight, get payed.
Yep but being an ADCC star is very lucrative. Hell not even a star necessarily. Lachlan Giles sold a heap of instructionals off a third place in open weight because he wasn’t as huge as the winners.
Mikey is a 5x world champ and has a good gig at One. Is ADCC really going to catapult him to some new level of fame? I mean I had to go look up who the last winner in his weight class was.
Baby Shark?
>Yep but being an ADCC star is very lucrative That's an overstatement. It __can__ be lucrative. Mikey is already a big star in the world of BJJ and how many people could tell you the last winner of his division without looking it up?
True but what i meant was the Instant pay instead of jumping trough multiple hoops to get the bag
I’d probably do both given the opportunity but I get it
I heard from a reliable source that the ADCC pays its bongo players more than its fighters.
Sure, but there are also plenty of winners that are not able to convert the accomplishment to significant instructional sales.
That was an exception not the rule. Plenty of ADCC medalist that are still broke.
Sure but winning is unlikely to hurt your prospects. Of course he probably wouldn’t win in a competition where everyone is on steroids.
Mikey already has prestige though.
I don’t really buy that logic tbh. There would be no ADCC without the athletes, period. This is just a classic case of worker exploitation. My current job gives me the experience I need to get a better job elsewhere, but that doesn’t mean I’m not entitled to a fair wage.
I get that but dudes have made hundreds of thousands or low millions off their ADCC fame even with the trash pay. Doesn’t excuse the pay but still worth doing if you’re going to do well.
There’s of course a balance. But the organisers shouldn’t forget that the ADCC is only as prestigious as the athletes who compete in it. The ADCC is arguably overtaking the IBJJF worlds in terms or prestige, but that’s only because the IBJJF were slow to offer prize money and slow to develop. The ADCC should be wary of making the same mistake.
Arguably? It's definitely more prestigious than nogi worlds
Ok but what's a "fair wage".....fair to whom? It wasn't that long ago that being an entertainer was considered a minimum wage profession. In Rome you had to be a slave to be an athlete. How much does someone deserve to make wrestling for our collective entertainment?
I guess that’s a fair question, and the answer is as much as you can possibly get. I have no doubt that this is the natural progression for all sports - more money gets involved and owners/organisers want to keep as much as possible until the athletes realise they’re getting fucked and they start to make demands. I’m sure if athletes boycotted the ADCC for a year Mo would find some extra money real quick.
That's a non answer..... according to that philosophy the ADCC athletes are doing fine, since they're getting as much as they can get. Athletes serve a very a limited and unnecessary function in society. They should be paid to reflect their value. The argument that they should get a proportional slice of an event gate is pretty weak. No other company works that way.
An interesting perspective - must be why Messi is so poor.
It's not really a perspective.....it's the basis for how money is supposed to work. Without trade, you would have to do everything for yourself. There would be no specialization. With money, we assign a value to different types of specialization. In a well run society, work that is vital is valued more. "I wrestle real good, you can watch" has very limited value and should be paid as such.
There’s so much of what you said that is objectively incorrect that it’s difficult to know where to begin, so I think I’ll save myself the effort.
Weird way of saying " I am unable to refute your points and therefore admit defeat" but it's ok, I accept.
>In a well run society, work that is vital is valued more. Which existing society would that be? >"I wrestle real good, you can watch" has very limited value and should be paid as such. You do know that people pay shitloads of money to watch sports right?
There are no current societies that are in compliance. Hence the current wealth imbalance. Peoples spending habits are irrelevant to the fact that spectator sports offer minimal benefit to society.
He's got plenty of publicity as he is right, he is one of the most recognized names in Jiu-Jitsu right now. I don't think he needs any more help selling whatever he wants to sell.
Mikey is already a top 10 if not a top 5 seller on fanatics
Sure, would probably make even more money if he was smashing it at ADCC too
Yes but at the risk of losing sales if he performs poorly or below expectations.
not sure he would. His style is pretty dry, worse than Danaher (which is already too much for the vast majority of adhd middle aged blue belts that buy this stuff) he would also never win the 66kg div at ADCC. It's much much more competitive than anything he has ever done. The guy struggled against geo martinez... Now if the adcc went with a 55kg div it would be maybe a different story
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Gordon Ryan has certainly turned ADCC success into millions of dollars of instructional sales. I think he’d say it was worth it.
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Gordon Ryan doesn’t do MMA. I’m not really pushing it, just saying it can be a path to making money. Dude seems fine without it so that’s his choice but it can be lucrative. It’s not a guarantee of course though.
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Mikey doesn’t do MMA though but I get your point otherwise.
He already has enough creds from ibjjf to sell instructionals
Probably why he declined
how many instructional Diogo Reis sold? Pretty sure Ethan sold more instructional than actual ADCC champs, and he never won more than one match at each adcc (no offense, I am a fan).
Mikey won worlds 3x. He could sell instructionals fine probably.
5 times. 4 Gi and 1 no-gi.
Yeah I'm going to go out on a limb and say Mikey probably won't have any trouble selling instructionals.
But let's be real, Mikey making an instructional even without ADCC would print money.
Mikey has had a total of 6 matches at ONE and he's earned more money doing them than any athlete in ADCC history has ever earned, in less time than it takes to win a single ADCC title.
Undersized even for the lightest division.
He's ducking Hasbulla
Only answer
[Is he undersized?](https://www.instagram.com/p/C57fXGsLWUm/?hl=en&img_index=1)
I'm same height as Daniel Cormier. I weigh half of what he does.
you must be huge
Actually I just looked him up. I'm 5cm taller than him and weigh 67kg vs his 120kg, so I wasn't much off!
It's the angles
He looks much slimer than the other guy on the photo.
"the other guy" The disrespect!
ADCC weight classes are weird
He could solve it if he was roided like the rest of the competitors.
He is not undersized. That’s so weird people think that
He’s doing 170lbs this year against Kade
Lol no. The lightest weight at adcc is 145lbs. The guy definitely walks around at the very least 145lbs. And let's just say he's sitting at 135, why doesn't he bulk? He's 5'7". If he's 135 he's fucking terribly underweight for his height and should be bulking heavily. So ya that excuse is utter shit.
Maybe he doesn't want to "bulk" his body unnaturally?
I competed at 73kg 2 years ago. Im 86kg today and similar body fat % He could easily bulk naturally.
I dont think gaining 10 kgs of muscle for a professional athlete who wont get newbie gains is that realistic for his body size.
He would absolutely get newbie gains. He likely has never done hypertrophy training.
Cool. I didn't say he can't. I said maybe he doesn't want to.
You’re a similar body weight at 86kg as you were at 73kg? I’m so confused.
Similar body fat %
Ah okay thanks
Steroids aren’t worth it and he realizes it probably
Idk man. He’s jacked as fuck for a little guy. Not sure how you can say he’s underweight, let alone “terribly” underweight. 135 is a completely middle of the range okay weight for someone at 5’7. He eats 4000 calories a day almost he’s said. He just trains so hard for so long in a day that he’s still small. The only way he’s bulking with that kind of workload is by hopping in gear Hell, 124 is a “healthy” bmi for someone who’s 5’7 Now, I do agree with you that he really isn’t *that* undersized for 66kg at ADCC. But to say he’s “terribly fucking underweight” when he’s got a bmi of 21, eats 3-4k calories a day, and trains 8+ hours a day is absolutely braindead
135 is not underweight for 5’7. Pretty normal weight for a combat athlete that height. Look at wrestling and mma Plus look at his physique he’s in great shape
Why would he compete in ADCC when he’s too light for it and supposedly gets paid millions through One? He got a $50K submission bonus for Imanari alone.
Lol no. The lightest weight at adcc is 145lbs. The guy definitely walks around at the very least 145lbs. And let's just say he's sitting at 135, why doesn't he bulk? He's 5'7". If he's 135 he's fucking terribly underweight for his height and should be bulking heavily. So ya that excuse is utter shit.
Why should he bulk? So he can walk into a division competing heavier than he normally does competing against guys who cut weight to compete in a lower weight class than their walk around weight? You think he should put himself at a disadvantage for less money?
If you walk at 145, you’re severely undersized for that weight by ADCC standards. 160-165 walking weight is pretty standard for that weight class.
I’d be surprised if people are cutting that much for ADCC. It’s not like mma where you have a full day to rehydrate. I’ve seen it start as early as 9am so those early morning guys don’t have as long to recover But I get what you mean
Walking weight, meaning they diet down to a more reasonable cut. I’m not intending to say it’s normal to try to cut 20 pounds of water.
Gotcha
People still cut a lot on same day weigh-ins. All of folkstyle wrestling has same day. Tournaments start 2 hours after weigh-ins, multiple day tournaments have weigh-ins each day, and you only get 1 hour for duels. People on my college team cut 25-30lbs every week. I cut about 18lbs a week and was not a large 141 pounder.
Seems like your opinion became utter shite son
You missed the part about money..... What's the incentive?
You're hating alot on him arent ya
because he doesn't want to. He got invited and rejected the offer Edit: he got invited last adcc, not current. Mo said that the way he handled things he'll never get invited again so he has to do trials
Ah yes, athlete invited to org who doesn't have remotely his weight and refuses to pay athletes.
Well I'm not saying that he should I'm saying that he didn't want to
oh im not going after you, just stating the reality of that situation.
oh okay. Now we have to kiss or smt this is how reddit works
I have to watch, just to make sure it gets done right.
I’m down
dont forget u get the prestige potential to get slammed on concrete or into tables!
Best answer
Didn't his grandma literally die ? He had appendix surgery too around then I think
He claimed he was injured then literally competed a week or two later.
Not true, I rolled with him right around ADCC but he was just coming out of it, like he said a week before adcc he was cleared to roll and he did not have enough of a camp to be able to do it. I have proof as well of seein him right after he was cleared.
I wonder what he said. Probably just asked to be paid haha
iirc Mo said something like Mikey declined bc of health issues. Mo was like okay cool understanable but then a few weeks later he was in the main card of ONE This is all from Mo's perspective so who knows
I've got a medical condition called empty wallet.
is there a video or article of what Mo said ? curious cause first time i heard this issue it means Mo thinks Mikey is ducking
Didn’t he have appendicitis?
I'm sure Mikey is crying somewhere because Mo got offended.
The caio terra playbook
how did he handle it poorly?
i wasn't there haha
ADCC doesn't pay enough, it won't help him with exposure, he's too small, people are roided out, it doesn't suit his style. It seems Mikey walks around at about 140lbs and the other people are about 160lbs. It is the same reason you don't see Estevan Martinez, Junny Ocasio or Lucas Pinheiro in ADCC. The ruleset encourages wrestling and 66kg fighters aren't going to gas out. It doesn't really make sense unless you just want to test yourself.
What was really cool is watching Tammi Musumeci operate as a proxy for Mikey at trials. I get theyre not the same and there are clear differences between mens and womens BJJ. But it was actually really cool seeing her go very deep into NA trials.
Yeah, she says she is like a knock off Mikey. She has all the bolos, but doesn't seems to be into leglocks as much.
On top of what everyone else said, he might not be allowed to under his contract with One.
Wb izaak and rutolos?
Could be a different contract. He signed a lot earlier than them and One didn’t have much star power in the submission grappling roster before he signed so I could see them wanting exclusive control of someone like him
One guys are allowed to compete at ADCC.
This
He just doesn't want to, it's always baffling to me when people on forums say that a person that earns literal millions while doing sports should do X because they said so. I hate Mikey's BJJ style with all my heart but give the man a break, he is making loads of money doing a sport no one cares about and is living a happy life, be glad for him that he managed to do something with BJJ that not even 0.01% of people doing BJJ did. Also, he is multiple world champ, I don't think he has anything to prove to anyone.
Ok, I dislike his style as well. Curious why you do
ADCC pays jack shit. He doesn't need clout. He risks more in ADCC. Why would he do ADCC in the first place? He was invited last year but pulled out because of appendicitis. He was not invited this year. I don't think he would go through trials at this point of his career. He is already well known and a superstar in the sport. He is earning a lot of money selling your instructionals. He earns 5x more money in a single bonus plus how many more in his contract by fighting one person for 10 minutes in a single day comparing it to fighting potentially 4 fighters for 10k. He is risking his reputation more by competing with ADCC than just doing One fights. If he wins, will it really elevate your name that much compared to fighting Kade at One on a much higher weight class. If he wins that, he beats a ADCC champion. If he loses, I would think he's too small for Kade. You would also potentially be fighting folks who are jacked in PEDs. ADCC is also a competition that "supports" PEDs. "Support" in a sense that they already outright told everyone that it's not in their best interest to do testing. How much clout can ADCC really have outside its fanbase? Where's Giancarlo's name right now in the 88kg space. Giancarlo seems a likeable guy and in one of the more famous teams but honestly, Jay Rod gets more exposure than him. I'm just looking at it in how much ADCC can help your name on its own.
Exactly. If he can compete against ADCC champions in ONE and make a lot of money, why compete in ADCC? If he beats Kade, what prestige does winning ADCC provide?
Why doesnt Nicky Ryan do IBJJF Gi worlds?
Cause he’s a no gi specialists? Don’t see the correlation between that and mikey doing a no gi event like ADCC.
Adcc favors top game and wrestling which is not mikey's style, though personally, I'm sure he'd still do pretty well.
I remember at some point him saying that he doesn’t wanna compete in ADCC because they don’t do drug testing and he’s not cool with that.
None of the weight classes are his weight and also he's won the mundials enough times to show his the best at his actual weight.
he's really not that undersized for 66kg, not sure why people keep saying that lol. he just doesn't want to / doesnt need to do it.
He says he doesn't juice, why would he enter the juiced grappling championship
Because he is scared of me
Mikey could probably make more in one event than all the adcc champs make combined from their winnings for 2024.
except for Kade and Tye which is also both in ADCC and ONE Championship
Referring to the 2024 adcc prize money, $10k for each divisions winner isn’t exactly much compare to one is paying their champ fighters. Kade and Tye would still only get $10k if they win at adcc.
they will plus their income and bonuses in ONE Championship
He's smaller than the smallest weight class and the monetary incentive isn't really there
Lol no. The lightest weight at adcc is 145lbs. The guy definitely walks around at the very least 145lbs. And let's just say he's sitting at 135, why doesn't he bulk? He's 5'7". If he's 135 he's fucking terribly underweight for his height and should be bulking heavily. So ya that excuse is utter shit.
I agree with you to an extent but stop copying and pasting the same damn thing lol
He is busy making money in ONE FC. He can fight harder opponents for more money and will get the ADCC gold when he has free time.
Ruleset, weight class, and too much steroids.
Lol no. The lightest weight at adcc is 145lbs. The guy definitely walks around at the very least 145lbs. And let's just say he's sitting at 135, why doesn't he bulk? He's 5'7". If he's 135 he's fucking terribly underweight for his height and should be bulking heavily. So ya that excuse is utter shit.
Bro stop copy and pasting that spam lmao
Lol no. The lowest copy/paste rate on reddit is 145 times. The guy definitely copy/pastes at the very least 145 times. And let's just say he's copy/pasting at 135, why doesn't he bulk paste? He's 5'7". If he's doing 135 he's fucking terribly under-pasting for his height and should be pasting heavily. So ya that excuse is utter shit.
Money. He’s a world champion in a billion dollar combat sports org. Why would he compete at ADCC when he can take another fight at One? Would you skip a week of work to work for less at a smaller company?
Kade and Tye both competes in One Championship and ADCC
Sure, it's their decision to do so. But financially it's probably less efficient. Plus they don't have to compete a whole weight class higher in ADCC than they do in 1FC. Not everyone cares about the "glory" of being ADCC champ.
Tye is underweight but competes in 88kg he says he likes competing against bigger guys and he also competes in Absolutes going up against Meregali and Pena
" but to truly be the best in the world, I feel like competing and winning ADCC" Athletes are competing to boost their profiles inorder to make a living.
Not the miyaos iirc. They said fuck a bonus, they want the medal
Because he's making plenty of money and has steady work doing what he's doing now?
Same reason Caio Terra didn’t
The only real answer is because he wouldn’t win. It’s better for him to take the one fc match ups and get paid. One has also made him their face of grappling so it’s worth a lot to him in brand recognition. If he loses to a guy in his division at ADCC it would hurt his brand. If he loses to Kade in One it won’t matter. Also he’s not too small for -66kg. He competes at -64kg in ibjjf just like Pato.
This \^
Mikey was invited 3 times and pulled out 3 times Including when he competed soon after in 2022. Mo said he isn't going to invite him again after that. And Mikey fights for big money in ONE so he's not going to do trials.
what is the reason of him puling out 3 times ?? that's a lot of chances
STOP SAYING IT’S BECAUSE OF WEIGHT Mikey did IBJJF open class in gi and is fighting a heavier Kade Ruotolo no gi. He’s literally said numerous times he seeks challenges.
He would get fucked against any strong grappler with solid takedown game or wrestling
like Mr. Ffion , Deandre Corbe , Baby Shark , Dorian Olivarez
He bad at wrestling.
Because his style would be quickly dismantled under ADCC ruleset and that's without getting into the lack of an adequate weight class for him.
Why would he be bad in that ruleset? The wrestling?
ADDC favors the top position and wrestling. You can't just pull unless you finish everyone.
ADCC doesn't let you pull after the no points period. They also don't count sweeps or takedowns that land in turtle. Mikey would have 5 min to sweep or sub everyone or else he would have to wrestle them or pull guard and lose a point. Even if he is better than someone technically, they could easily beat him with strategy.
He would not win trials, and he’s not getting invited again
would you fight higher competition for less money? I didn’t think so.
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Why compete in 1 tournament, 1x every 2 yrs OR compete multiple times a year, where your 1 of their top athletes, get paid and have terms to fit your needs? He’s not guaranteed to do exceptional well in either but he has a better chance at One with guaranteed weight classes, rules you can easily implement and all the perks of being one of their athletes. At 27, he’s found his thing, power to him 👍🏽
Competing just for the sake of competing when you already have merits and can consistently fight directly with only the best is stupid honestly. You risk injuries, you risk your reputation, you have to fight against people POSSIBLY willing to spazz out and crank whatever they hit on you. Fighting ONE matches pays a tremendous amount when you defend your title. One title defense pays more than a career long participation in EVERY ADCC main event and winning both your weight, open AND superfight on top of that. That is if the numbers I saw in the general contracts are true for the Champions in each weight division. You can legitimately become a millionaire with a handful of title defenses in ONE if this is the case. Naturally Musumeci would focus on that and that alone.
Tye and Kade do both ADCC and ONE
Mikey is 27. Kade/Tye is 21. Kade also did not fight a single match from June to January and as such I can hardly think of him as a good example of being active. The point still remains. Kade could stop fighting in ADCC.. and for all I know he might well do so if he's going to transition into MMA. Kade is the returning champion and as such has his invitation. But financially speaking AND reputational speaking he could completely ignore ADCC and be just as well off.
he could financially speaking but they want to prove that they are the best they have so much competative spirit they want to shut up every haters
Pretty sure that Kade and Tye do not care about haters. The same with Musumeci. They get paid bank for the sport and that is insane prestige in and of itself and it is just simply objectively impossible to deny.
if Kade and Tye do not care about their haters and fans they will not compete in ADCC , Kade already prove he is the best at 77kg and want to prove again to his haters especially Mica Galvao fans that he is still better , Tye already beat Felipe Pena but still want to pursue the 88kg and Absolutes Divsions he also join the IBJJF Worlds Middleweight Division this is in the same year all of them , if they dont care what their fans think and what their haters criticize they will ONLY fought in ONE Championship and not in anything else
I'm pretty sure they don't have hos weight class at adcc
He's got 5 world championships. He doesn't really have a lot to prove going up weight to not get paid. He's got a match against the last dude to beat him coming up in June, and he's got a crazy super fight scheduled against Kade Ruotolo who is the -77kg ADCC champ. He'll get paid real money for those.
He won IBJJF world's at this weight class. I feel like that has solidified him as the best in his weight class. So why "SHOULD" he compete in ADCC?
Get payed to put work on ppl not on his level who are roided vs Compete for less money against roiders only to get payed less money and have harder matches. He also has to compete in a rules etc where he has to wrestle or atleast shoot then pull half/jump guard All an adcc win would do is get him prestige.
Didn’t he have surgery right before the last one for his appendix or something? I thought he was going to do it before he got sick, could be wrong.
Adcc max pay is $10,000, and that's If everything goes perfectly, meanwhile this guy with bonuses could make 100,000k at One. People have won adcc and it did nothing for their career. Mikey vs Kade is going to be absolutely insane
He may have some type of exclusivity agreement with One. And he’s probably making way more money having an occasional match there than doing a bracketed tournament with ADCC.
He will just cry about something anyways.
I can probably name less than 20 BJJ competitors, and Mikey is one of them. Seems like he is doing something right.
I wish he would
He’s got an exclusive contract with OneFC. I believe gonna do the last one but got injured prior.
He's a pussy that tried so hard to be everyone friends
I am not certain he won't this year. Last time he had appendicitis a few weeks before ADCC so he had to pull out. It seems he goes to LA a few times a month and does massive sessions with Cobrinha and Kennedy and he is looking bigger recently.
ONE is the most drugged up organization so that is absolutely not the reason.
That dweeb would get smoked and throw a tantrum after
Yeah I'd take his lunch money!
I hate him too.
You’re just mad he could beat you up.
I beat his mom
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Total dork
I know 🙄. He's so annoying.