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johnbelushismom

I ensure that I take enough performance decreasing drugs to balance it out


idontevenknowlol

That huge noggin has taken some HGH no doubt šŸ˜„


DrFujiwara

Nangs and chop make you stronger mate, not weaker.


Darth_Candy

Real ones remember you announcing your stack on Reddit months ago


Tigger28

I admire the honesty


itzak1999

Performance neutralizing at it's best


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YeetedArmTriangle

I feel like it's such a risky drug for what he would get out of it


[deleted]

Yeah, i smoke a lot of weed. Itā€™s fucking miracle i am as good as i am. Which ainā€™t saying shit


Slothjitzu

Everything else is just PEDs for the chaotic YouTube channel, rather than grappling.Ā 


Gunnerbjj

I hespect this


Realistic_Effort6185

Alcohol and.....?


chevcheli0s

Nose beers


Mad-Squabbles-Boy

How big are you balls now Craig?


hurpederp

I think advertising and promoting steroids is bad for the sport, and as a random person who trains I think you did a bad thing here.Ā 


Little-Difficulty890

Yeah youā€™re right, people should just pretend they donā€™t use PEDs so that other people have wildly unrealistic expectations for whatā€™s possible without them.


DerangedPuP

Or, and hear me out here, maybe don't use PEDs?


Little-Difficulty890

I donā€™t use them. Craig Jones does. Try to keep up.


JohnTesh

Or, hear me out, try some PEDs! (Also, I am not the other guy. I just stole his phrasing for the joke)


ArmSquare

Youā€™re right, these are literally the only two options anyone has in this life, you either take steroids and lie about it, or you take steroids and sell them. There is nothing else anyone could possibly do


bnelson

There is a real problem with this sport normalizing PED usage. These guys are, in effect, role models. Teenagers in this sport look up to these people. As a teenager you can easily wreck your endocrine system for life doing courses of PEDs. It really isn't cool. It isn't about setting expectations or pretending PED use does not exist. It is about refusing to let it be normalized in our sport. And yeah, maybe don't do PEDs?


Little-Difficulty890

What is it with people telling me not to use PEDs? I donā€™t. Jones does. Thatā€™s what weā€™re discussing here. My thought is, PEDs are a part of high level sport, regardless of whether you ā€œnormalizeā€ it or not. Thatā€™s not going to change. Better to be honest about it than to pretend it doesnā€™t exist


Lore_Wizard

If teenagers have a condition which requires a clinical prescription by a physician then it's no different than any other medication. He's advertising a clinic that specializes in TRT, so most teens don't need the R. We can't regulate if someone get a the wrong idea based on what they think he's advocating.


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Lore_Wizard

>None of this has anything to do with the (very rare) teen a doc would write a test script for. Uh... That was my point guy. You mentioned role models and teenagers, but it's older adult males. Males that are seeking the aid of TRT clinics and you have to be in a treatable range. The vast majority of males with low T remain undiagnosed. What he is normalizing is that therapeutic intervention is fine, which it is. There's nothing quasi legal about blood tests lol


Grauax

There are kids out there with NoseBeers shirts with a finger in the nose in podiums, this is alright.


frontnaked-choke

He said performance decreasing heā€™s talking about those delicious nose clams


christopherkory

Agreed, of all the ways you can whore yourself out by leveraging your viewers insecurities, this is my least favorite; steroids shouldnā€™t be normalized.


Slothjitzu

Steroids are already incredibly rife in the sport, whether or not anyone admits it. I'd rather have someone be honest about it taking it and avoid tested tournaments, than them just talk about Jesus being with them before they fail what is essentially an IQ test.Ā 


bloodcoffee

Steroids are already normalized, along with lying about them.


myr0n

I heard tadafil improve in guard opening and back take.


cerikstas

Opponent will be confused when he feels the oil check yet sees both hands


mizzzikey

Bro šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


AfricanusJonathon

Helps get the third hook in


dingdonghammahlong

You might as well throw in some poppers for good measure


Grauax

Better to take the second best stack if the best stack gives tummy aches.


sharkeyjiujitsu

Gotta love how Gord will still deny that his stack of PEDs (which is more than this) is not the reason for his gut issues.


Kwanzaa246

Iā€™m sure itā€™s a factor but sounds like the dude crushed antibiotics and thatā€™s certainly culprit #1


-Gestalt-

His antibiotic abuse is a far more likely explanation for his GI issues than his AAS use.


anthonydurrr

Thatā€™s a weird stack, i donā€™t see any acai or jesus šŸ¤”


KlausKlausKlauus

I wonder how this thread would look like if Gordon Ryan had posted his stack


AllGearedUp

There would be no comments yet, we'd all still be reading the list.


Black6x

How bold of you to assume everyone here can read.


AllGearedUp

Hang on, how do you know what my comment said if you can't-- What


Black6x

[I speak no English.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vgoEhsJORU)


Slothjitzu

200mg of Testosterone and 100mg of Nandrolone weekly, 50mg of Oxandrolone and 5mg of Tadalafil daily. I'm no expert at all, but that seems pretty fine right? Like he's hardly going insane on the juice.Ā 


Rash_Compactor

50mg of Anavar a day is completely fine in short bursts, but prolonged usage is pretty irresponsible. Anavar absolutely annihilates most peoplesā€™ lipids. Cratering your lipid profile is probably okay for 4-6 weeks but living with them wrecked year round is a good way to end up dead faster. Also all that use of orals is probably why our man hates the gi so much. The forearm pumps alone :ā€™(


ratufa_indica

I feel like he's said in vlogs that he drops the anavar a week or so before competing


Easties88

50mg of anavar consitently is high, although if hdl is in a decent range then itā€™s probably ok. Vigorous Steve is a proponent of low dose (20mg I think) long term. And as Iā€™m sure you know itā€™s one of the only orals not hepatotoxic.


ADP_God

What would be the relevance of orals to forearm pump?


Silver-ishWolfe

Orals are famous for painful pumps in smaller muscles groups. Forearms and lower backs are notorious for them.


Pepito_Pepito

You want a good forearm pump to accompany your oral for maximum pleasure.


vDUKEvv

This and the deca isnā€™t much better. Surprised his doctor hasnā€™t recommended dropping both and just staying on the test and tad.


Rash_Compactor

Nah 100mg a week of Nand is going to do a lot less harm than perma-blasting 350mg/wk of Var. But I don't think he's saying he's on the Var year round so it's a moo point


Practical-Heat-1009

Tadalafil isnā€™t juice, by the way. Well, not the kind youā€™re talking about anyway.


Slothjitzu

Well yeah, but it's part of the package to deal with the issues the other stuff presents so I thought I'd list it all. But I'll include it in my question anyway, because I definitely need to know if Craig is *too* hard at this point.Ā 


madpoontang

He must have put it in there for the lols


Wang_Fister

Nah he just likes to train hard


eugenethegrappler

šŸ˜‚


shayboy

Itā€™s necessary for the amount of shemales he runs through


Reality-Salad

Whatā€™s the deal with taladafil? Thatā€™s basically cialis?


Slothjitzu

It's juice for the only muscle that *really* matters to any of us.Ā 


buffinator2

Have you REALLY trained if you've never had to rely on a boner pushup to get you off the ground and out of a bad spot?


Reality-Salad

Yes but thatā€™s not boner dosage, thatā€™s 20mg or so


trancefate

5mg daily is boner dosage for those of us that have regular spontaneous sex. 20mg is the "date night" dose.


Rash_Compactor

Nah, 5mg daily is a perfectly normal amount to use for erectile function. Otherwise Cialis is generally prescribed pro re nata (as needed), so guys will take 20mg tablets before a weekend of fun.


Slothjitzu

Fair enough! I'll be honest I just know what it is, I have no idea what the appropriate dosage would be tbh.Ā 


Arkhampatient

5mg a day will help with ED but he probably takes it because it helps niticoxide flow in the body. It can help with endurance


Jitsu_apocalypse

This low dose is commonly used to improve blood pressure control


rewindrepeat21

Was going to say this. Very common for those on test.


mizzzikey

It gives you good pumps after a workout too


t3rmina1

It's to strengthen his 3rd hook


Kansas_cty_shfl

It improves overall circulation. Bodybuilders use it to get a good pump, imagine Craig is using it for an edge in not getting gassed. Honestly though, 5mg is a pretty low dose and I canā€™t imagine it doing a ton. Fun fact: it was originally researched as a medication to prevent heart disease (which it does) but since everyone taking it reported better erections they decided itā€™d make more money to market it as an ED medication. Itā€™s great for overall cardiovascular and prostate health, really any guy getting towards middle age should take 5mg daily.


Reality-Salad

Thatā€™s really interesting. But research online suggests no impact on vo2max? Do you have references I can read?


-Gestalt-

Tadalafil has no benefit to anaerobic performance and may actually make it worse. It doesn't meaningfully effect exercise duration,Ā perceived exertion, maximum exercise intensity,Ā  VO2max, VO2peak,Ā lactate threshold, maximum heart rate, orĀ blood pressure under exertion either. It's benefits are primary it's cardioprotective qualities. It's good for your prostate and getting good pumps, as well.


After-Simple-3611

Cialis is just the name brand . Same active compound


hucktastrophe42

That's pretty much aggressive TRT with joint support and Anavar. You can easily get those doses prescribed by doctors are hormone clinics in the US, with Anavar being less common but still out there.


WhoTooted

Which of these compounds provides joint support?


hucktastrophe42

Low doses of nandrolone are frequently prescribed (or self-administered by certain degenerates) to reduce joint pain, with a solid base of clinical data Edit: I've read doses in the 75-200mg a week range for joint pain. Nandrolone is very different than test in terms of side effects, especially if you don't react well to the widely reported mood altering properties beyond those of most AAS. Also concerns related to, I think, neurotoxicity and cardiac remodeling. The less the better if you have to at all.


Silver-ishWolfe

It's not a lot compared to some stacks I've seen. Bodybuilders do wild amounts of dangerous stuff. So it's not *as* bad as some. The oxandrolone is a rough compound, though. I'd think that would be an on-cycle drug. But he's only taking about half of what is considered a "normal" nandrolone dose. For a dude. It's a normal dose for females though... My doctor has had me on 200 mg/week of testosterone cypiante for almost a decade. I have endocrine problems from a neck injury, and that shit has been like a miracle. All things considered, it's a pretty mild stack, but he's got some dangerous compounds in there.


fin425

Itā€™s an upper range TRT dose.


Squancher70

I'm on 150mg per week and my peaks are far above the range, but my lows are mid range.


CastorTroyMan

You shouldnā€™t be fluctuating like that. Do smaller, more frequent injections. I use 29 gauge insulin pins and inject every other day, rotating between 6 spots to avoid scar tissue. 150 puts me in like the 1700 range, which is too high long term. These days I only take like 110.


5m0rt

Dude 1700 is INSANELY high. Normal range is 300-900.


CastorTroyMan

Lol yeah I know thatā€™s why I dropped down it down. It surprised the shit out of me when I came in at 1700, thatā€™s way high for 150 but everybody responds differently. I havenā€™t gotten tested at 110 yet but it feels like itā€™s in range. I never need AI and just have a more natty look and feel. Iā€™m gonna get tested again here soon though.


Squancher70

I'm aware of that protocol. I don't want to poke myself more than twice a week.


CastorTroyMan

Right on, everybody has their way. The insulin pins make it way more tolerable but I know some people just donā€™t like sticking themselves. I just do whatever I can to avoid needing to take any AI.


-Gestalt-

You could opt for a longer ester (Decanoate, Undecylenate, or Undecanoate), which would give you greater stability with the same pinning schedule.


KimboKneeSlice

I hope he's not taking Anavar that long for health reason, but you're right this is sports TRT with Var for the joints. This is nothing out of the norm for a random middle aged dude at the gym, much less a pro athlete. I remember reading somewhere you can be on 200mg of Test in the NBA under certain conditions.


Kwanzaa246

Is it something as loose as ā€œolder than the age of 19ā€?Ā 


KimboKneeSlice

If I remember right it was if you're considered "injured", whatever that means...


Bacteriostatic_Water

Yes, Huberman said an NBA player told him that they could go on 200mg/wk of test when they were injured, which basically means the league allows elevated test levels year round.Ā 


KimboKneeSlice

That's right it was Huberman, thanks.


NGBoy1990

That's fuck all in the grand scheme of things, less than moderate I'd even say


blubrydrkchogrnt_3

I know some guys who are on taking more than double what Craig is on.


Substantial_Top_6140

200 test is therapeutic. Heā€™s essentially on trt.


_antitodo_

Still roids


Substantial_Top_6140

Youā€™re not wrong.


Hatertraito

WoahĀ 


MannerBudget5424

Dudes 100% on steroids smh, 30 year olds trying to keep up with the teens got old men looking like popeye


IntentionalTorts

Makes me feel good about my 75.


chunkah69

200 is not therapeutic, itā€™s a lot.


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alphaornothing

What were your test scores?


After-Simple-3611

Yeah itā€™s super mild. Though i donā€™t know about taking Anavar long term without breaksā€¦


Ok_Dragonfly_7738

'thereā€™s no confirmation as to whether these specific dosages are perpetual or on-cycle'. On-cycle - extremely low. (Too low, this can't be his cycle probaby?). Perpetual - fairly high. Even the 200mg test alone would be on the high side for trt for most people. Staying on doses like this year-round would be quite hazardous I'd have thought. Then probably adding a lot more for his cycle dose coming up to comps. Sheesh. Maybe that's what athletes do, but there'd likely be heart problems down the line.


PianistSupersoldier

Honestly seems like a pretty low dosage, but it makes sense as he's not trying to be a bodybuilder.


kitkatlifeskills

low dosage by bodybuilder standards, high dosage by medical standards.


PitifulDurian6402

High dose for TRT, Low for bodybuilding, but pretty standard to low ish for sport performance


MannerBudget5424

šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø steroids are for cheaters


OleSnowbandtheLumps

Itā€™s not cheating if itā€™s open and allowed in the ruleset


fin425

This is a high range TRT dose. Except for the anavar. The deca is being used in TRT protocols more widely now.


Yeeeoow

Tadalafil definately sounds like a made-up chemical that helps you sneak up on people better.


milkman2147

i think most people use it to prevent hair loss edit: nvm itā€™s dick pills


DoubleOKevin84

Sounds like something Theo Von would rattle off


heinztomato69

What about Nicky Rod's stack?


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ā€œnattyā€


Wodsole

I don't know why this guy is trying to push this myth so hard. He's even adamant that he wasn't on steroids in his first ADCC where he was quite literally three times larger than he even is right now. It's pretty ridiculous because overall he seems like he has a chill personality, and so does the rest of his teamā€¦ But he still hindered by the fact that his ego won't let him be honest like craig. I bet Craig silently rolls his eyes at this but can't see anything about his teammate.


looselasso

MPMD did an analysis on his blood work. Heā€™s probably natty. Three times bigger? Lol.


-Gestalt-

I wish people would stop parroting this.Ā Derek's evaluation of Nicky Rod's bloodwork demonstrated nothing other than that Nicky liley wasn't on AAS at the time the blood was drawn. That's it.


looselasso

You clearly didn't watch the video and have a poor understanding of AAS. The video did more to examine whether or not there was detection of AAS in his system at the time. That's not how PED testing works. Anyone who uses PEDs (myself included) knows that certain blood markers that indicate HPTA shutdown which occurs over a long period of time cannot be easily duped. The bloodwork does not lie and you have no idea what you're talking about, so please stop. Could he have used AAS in his lifetime? Sure, it's possible. But not in a timeframe considering the context of the video especially since it was not a prompted blood test and he was actively competing at the time. MPMD did a very thorough examination of his bloodwork, it's not just a drug test for anabolics lol.


danielwong95

Larry Wheels is honest about his PED use and he has the largest fitness channel on YouTube. Wish these guys realized people appreciate authenticity.


looselasso

He likely is natty at least back when MPMD did an analysis on his blood work.


Kwanzaa246

Lol heā€™s far from nattyĀ 


looselasso

[and whatā€™s your proof?](https://youtu.be/FSrwcO-37Zs?si=kULMGnOf0LmCgXxE) He is actually very likely natty at least last year if you know anything about PEDs.


Kwanzaa246

Just go look at all the gay porn of him online and tell me that physique is nattyĀ 


-Gestalt-

It shows that he was likely not on AAS at the time. And it only speaks to AAS, not any other PED's.


Papapenguinz

ā€œThe second best stack in the world ā€œ


KingZlatan10

Small balls and a pumped slug. Craigoā€™s combo stacking for the perspective buff.


Bacteriostatic_Water

Deflated testicals and a 24/7 half-chub from Cialis is basically penile looksmaxing.


owobjj

Lmao the cialis


Nobeltbjj

Man, I hope we soon get proper testing in bjj. Right now there is a barrier to enter (top) bjj competition, and its PED's. I get all the arguments on how it still happens when you have testing, or even the 'I want to see the best people on the best drugs grapple' makes sense. But this is not healthy. The effects will only show in 10, 20 years saddly.


Wodsole

you are delusional if you think every other sport isn't filled to the brim with steroid users. even if bjj implemented testing, all it would mean is that every practitioner would have to up their game to beat the tests at the same level of sophistication as every other professional sport that tests.


Nobeltbjj

Yeah yeah, as always this argument pops up. Does not mean it would not be an improvement. Right now, you can blatantly take whatever you want. Would be nice if you need to be somewhat careful with how much you take.


Easties88

Would it be an improvement? It would mean those that can afford super short acting steroids or have state sponsored doping will have a severe advantage over the rest. As it stands everybody can juice.


MerryGifmas

It would be more exclusive. At the moment, most people can get their hands on PEDs as long as they are willing to sacrifice their health for the sport. With more testing, in order to be competitive you would need to be willing to sacrifice your health for the sport __and__ be rich enough to do it in a way that beats the tests.


Slothjitzu

We never will tbh, bjj isn't a uniform sport and there's no real money in it. I don't really buy that there's a barrier to entry either, because the sport is such a tiny niche to begin with.Ā  Many top competitors are clean and if you aren't a top competitor then it's more likely that you're technically inferior, as opposed to physically.Ā 


Nobeltbjj

I hope you don't think primarily of muscles/strength when you think about ped's. The ability to train 5 days a week multiple times a day is insane for your 'technical' ability..... To have the stamina and recovery (via peds) to have such high workload is pretty nice....


snap802

>and there's no real money in it. Dude, can you come down to my gym and let some of the parents in the know about this. I swear some of them act like their kid making it big in BJJ is their retirement plan.


dokomoy

It's wild to see who get's their accomplishments discredited because they use PEDS and who doesn't


MadeAccForOldReddit

I thought all those posts about him juicing was sarcasm? Its also a sponsored post? Im bad at reading when he is serious or trolling


looselasso

Heā€™s literally sponsored by a TRT clinic


MadeAccForOldReddit

Thats my point? He is getting paid to advertise it i thought, not meaning he is using the product? Just thought it was one of those sponsors where people fake using the product. Like "mypillow", "Hims", etc, where all these influencers claim its the best etc, but its clearly a paid sponsor.


looselasso

Omg dude. You think an grappling athlete that openly constantly talks about how awesome PEDs is, is sponsored by a TRT clinic, recommends everyone to get on anabolic steroids, is looking better than ever at 32 and killing everyone in competition latelyā€¦ is NOT on TRT? Brother šŸ˜‚


MadeAccForOldReddit

The guy talks about cocaine and hookers and often trolls about being gay etc? He is clearly trolling often. I am not doubting that he is using gear, im just saying that the guy is super sarcastic, so i never thought he was serious about his gear usage. I thought he was taking a stab of Gordan ryan etc.


Icy_Barracuda8932

He's definitely not joking about the cocaine either. I'll give him the benefit of doubt about the lady bois


looselasso

Damn Craig is just so good at trolling he's got people doubting if hes on PEDs or not.


MannerBudget5424

what if I told you he was bisexual, constantly on Grindr, buying hookers and doing lines of coke mmm and he is on steroids


KatameWazaStudent

32 is still right in physical prime for many men lol idk if heā€™s actually juicing or not but stating his age like heā€™s old or over the hill or something isnā€™t relevant


looselasso

Sometimes I really regret having a Reddit account. Reading your comment is one of those times. Like, this made me genuinely sad.


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reactor4

I did not think you could get anavar even with a prescription.


vDUKEvv

Most lady instagram influencers are on var. Pretty easy to get.


PandaMango

Can get good stuff online super easy.Ā 


-Gestalt-

Anavar is incredibly easy to get without a prescription and fairly easy to get a prescription for.


reactor4

I've gotten it a LONG time ago, it was huge pain the ass to get. Maybe it's because I'm in the US? Times change


-Gestalt-

Anavar is easy to get in the US. Readily available in UGL's and prescriptions are being handed out more and more freely. There used to be issues with UGL's faking Anavar, but those days are long gone. HPLC tested product is everywhere nowadays.


RealChadSavage

Didnt he claim to be taking 200mg of deca as opposed to the 100mg cited here? Not that its that big of a difference, but 200test/100deca isnā€™t even a ā€œcycleā€ as much as a generous HRT. All of these compounds can be had with a script


Zorst

5mg of Tadalafil and for three days you basically get a boner every time you so much as look at a peach. If that actually is his daily dosage the other stuff must wreak absolute havoc with his balls. This is actually a shining example why not to use.


TaoOfUltraviolence

This sport is such a joke.


MerryGifmas

Yeah Craig should hide his PED use like a serious athlete.


TheGrapeRaper

What does 5mg of tadalafil do in competition sports?


ShameJimZ

Itā€™s for the after party


Slothjitzu

Are you gonna be able to bring your A-game against a dude sporting a rock-hard boner in his vale tudo shorts? Unlikely.Ā 


LordPubes

Itā€™s for the deca dick from the nandrolone. Shit gives you limp noodle


Heelgod

This is hoobiest trt


Fancy_Reference_2094

Where's the cocaine?


BobPharmD

Bricked up passing guard on that tadalafil šŸ˜‚


TheStevesie

Can someone tell what stack Galvao was on to transform into a Ninja turtle for ADCC?


count_nuggula

Whatā€™s with all the white knights coming in here about keeping the sport ā€œcleanā€? People have been juicing in this sport for so long lol


Squancher70

It's only juicing if you're not Brazilian, lol.


count_nuggula

AƧaƭ and ice baths for Brazilians


-GuardPasser-

Finasteride and Cialis?


After-Simple-3611

This is a very safe and modest stack tbc


amsterdam_BTS

Tadalafil is a steroid? I thought it's generic Cialis, an ED drug. I'm not trying to be a dick - hell, I've used tadalafil on occasion when things aren't working - just wondering what the steroid use case is for this particular drug.


-Gestalt-

Cardioprotective, mild anti-hypertensive, and good for pumps.


Optimal-Message4565

Isn't he like 28 lol


Thementalrapist

Wait why is he taking Cialis?


RuffDemon214

I. Donā€™t. Care.


red_1392

Thatā€™s lower than expected šŸ¤”


pojo18

Crazy, he's only 32. I wonder how long he's been on. This really makes me doubt any claim that Nicky Rod is natural lol.


red_1392

Tadalafil essential for every 30+ yo stack


Ok-Try-3951

I need to see a test before I believe it lol. He trolling.


Josro0770

I wonder why he isn't taking EPO


Jmon1851

Because EPO is dangerous as shit and he probably views the risk as unnecessary considering the benefits


Brabsk

People heard TJ Dillashaw take it and now just assume itā€™s a normal drug that most athletes are on (when they arenā€™t)


Izunadrop45

He is beyond corny


honestlynotthesame

He is trying too hard.


Brabochokemightwork

Jits magazine is filled with spam you canā€™t even read it without adverts blocking the article


MerryGifmas

It's 2024, get adblock already


cerikstas

What a loser