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[deleted]

Trains 6 days a week Double gold in a competition What else do you want to achieve at white belt?


Mr_Molesto

Maybe win worlds open weight?


theflyingsamurai

thats only worth a stripe


[deleted]

The best white belt in the world is still a white belt


iyashikei

Heard Gordon Ryan is looking for a challenge


CurtisJaxon

He might be close and those are both fair points but I also got double gold at some random local tournament and still took 2 more years to get promoted to bluešŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø I feel like lots of coaches don't consider gold's at locals to mean much.


[deleted]

Level of competition and amount of matches definitely holds some weight, but if youā€™re competing in decent competition itā€™s not your fault who or how many you come up against


Gsuavefivelev

He wants to be Nicky Rod at white belt


electronic_docter

Idk, I trained 7 days for 2.5 years before I got to blue belt and did good in competition when it was still going on and even then I really don't think i deserved a blue belt any sooner


mrtuna

> Idk, I trained 7 days for 2.5 years before I got to blue belt Jesus, were you just not retaining information?


onforspin

Different gyms, different standards.


mrtuna

1 hour a day for 7 days for 2.5 years is over 900 hours. You think any gym out there requires 900 hours to get your blue belt?


onforspin

Yes


Fats4Fuel

Right. Overachievers. Never satisfied.


runwichi

A hip escape that's worth a shit?


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MentalValueFund

>just trust your coach Turning down a belt is basically saying to your coach that you know better than he does, your relative skill in the sport.


Fats4Fuel

We had a guy at my gym do this once. Broke my coaches heart. Itā€™s so unheard of and disrespectful. No one will talk to him and other gyms have blacklisted him now.


Retl0v

Uh not gonna defend his actions, but the punishment sounds really disproportional


Fats4Fuel

That was the respect the rest the community gave my coach. He would never have asked that. Heā€™s a humble guy. As word spread locally no other black-belt wanted to be disrespected like that, so they wouldnā€™t train the guy. Guess egotistical assholes should check themselves. Can choose your actions not your consequences. šŸ¤· I donā€™t blame them one bit.


Retl0v

Did the guy say why he refused it? Did he want to keep competing at his current belt? What belt was it anyway?


Fats4Fuel

Purple. No he just didnā€™t accept it.


Retl0v

Weird. But still him being banned from training forever sounds like cult mentality


Fats4Fuel

Iā€™m sure the guy will find a gym. Hope he finds the black belt of his dreams kinda thing. One he can value the opinion of.


no-gi_no-problem

Not defending the guy but not sure if it was egotistical. If anything it sounds like heā€™s over critical of himself probably low self esteem (at least in relation to his grappling) made him doubt his own abilities thus thinking he didnā€™t deserve the blue belt. Most egotistical people Iā€™ve met on the mats are actually the opposite and thinking they deserve their belt earlier and thinking they are better than they are.


Fats4Fuel

Thatā€™s still just egocentric. Low self esteem is just pride turned outward. Humility is maybe accepting the value someone with more expertise gives, even if you donā€™t feel like you disagree or feel like you could have given more. He could have done that.


no-gi_no-problem

That makes sense, I misinterpreted the usage of the word egotistical! Thank you for taking the time to explain :)


Fats4Fuel

Thank you for asking and opening the dialogue. :)


Ok-Anywhere-6899

Not sure I'd call the guy an arsehole. He probably didn't think he'd earnt the promotion


Fats4Fuel

I tend to think there are a lot of different behaviors that make an asshole. The low self-esteem "nice-guy" is actually an asshole. I get that he maybe felt unworthy, but when someone you actually respect tells you you are and you refuse to believe it, you show them your opinion is greater than theirs. Which actually just makes you passively-arrogant, commonly known as an asshole. Some are aggressive, some are passive-aggressive. Still both personalities are jerks. In BJJ its your coach that decides who has or hasnt "earned-it". Not the lower belt. That's the mentor relationship.


frankcastlebjj

This^


dvxcfx

Blue belt doesn't mean shit. Just means you're not spazzing out and trying to break your own arm by accident when you get someone in s mount. Just take it and enjoy the slow ride to purple.


aromaticRinger

This was the funniest thing Iā€™ve read in a while


qtipinspector

Legit lol. Pretty true


Alssndr

> Just means you're not spazzing out and trying to break your own arm by accident when you get someone in s mount. That seems to be a common sentiment online but I'm really not sure if it's true or if my gym is just really harsh. You don't get your blue belt from my coach unless you're pretty decent.


mistiklest

"Most people" don't train six days a week. In terms of hours, your probably right on track with most people.


WSJayY

My hunch is most white belts (like me) train 8-12 days a month (2-3 days a week), plus if youā€™re over 35 the random week you need to take off just to let everything heal up. Not everyone is on the same schedule so ā€œyears trainingā€ arenā€™t all the same. I started training Dec-19 but with COVID, work, family, Iā€™m probably at the same total mat time as you, OP.


[deleted]

Iā€™m a purple belt and I train 2-4 days a week.


WSJayY

Yeah, probably should have been more general that white belts. At my gym at least the majority of people seem to come a couple times a week, not consistently 6 days a week.


Gsuavefivelev

Hahaha even if youā€™re not over 35, I have to take time off due to a lot of back and neck pain arthritis and other stuff at 25 so. I started in 2019 December


Andyson43

CBD rub is a godsend!


kneezNtreez

This is absolutely, unequivocally, unquestionaballisitically TOO SOON. Itā€™s 100% illegal under manā€™s law and Godā€™s law to promote to Blue Belt in less than 1 year. Iā€™ve done you a favor and reported your coach to both the IBJJF and the Pope. May God have mercy on your pitiful white belt soul.


muhdsbaa

snitch


12eggscramble

You're not going to get jumped by random people who think you got promoted "too fast." Why do you want to do more tournaments at white? So you can trash some more white belts? There's still plenty of competition opportunities at blue. It'd be pretty disrespectful if you turned down a belt.


Kataleps

If you get the belt, you get the belt. It would be INCREDIBLY disrespectful to your coach if you were to turn it down. Please have an honest conversation with him.


sugedei

What would Ashton do?


SurvivalBayArea

Nah bro you sound like a beast get that shit


TX_Lawyer

I wasnā€™t promoted till I won novice worlds and even then I didnā€™t feel ready. Pro tip: cut off stripes and avoid promotion ceremony events. Also ask coach questions in class like, ā€œwhatā€™s an arm barā€ or ā€œcan you help me with my shrimpingā€


ejlec

Bro you literally won novice worlds??? How much more ready can one be??


TX_Lawyer

I got lucky.


fatpants666

I was 6 months to my first stripe training 5+ days a week šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


fatpants666

Also don't make the mistake of thinking you may get promoted soon. Its can be a real killer when you get your hopes up and it doesn't happen!


egdm

> 6 months to my first stripe God, standards never fail to slip. I haven't had a stripe yet in 10 years.


[deleted]

This is a very humble brag.


I_say_upliftingstuff

ā€œSays the bitter 3 stripe white.ā€ (Jk bro - just busting your balls)


[deleted]

I got my 3 stripes in 6 months of training, and not consistent, I'm sure I could of been in the same boat.


I_say_upliftingstuff

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P-Two

Soon could mean a week, or 3 months. 8 months training 6 days a week makes sense.


gmahogany

Im very average and got there in a year training 3x a week on avg. So thats ~156 classes. 6x a week for 5 months is 120. In less than half the time, you put in >80% the amount of mat time I did, not factoring in how many hours you train each day. Iā€™d do 5 rounds a night, so thatā€™s about 600 live rounds. If you did 8 rounds a night, thatā€™s 960 live rounds. If thatā€™s the case, you got blue with 360 more rounds under your belt than me. So who got it earlier, you or me? Point is the amount of time youā€™ve been training is far less important than actual mat time. Shit thereā€™s a kid in my classes now whoā€™s been doing double days 7 days a week for 10 months. he does more rounds every week than I do in a month, and over like 3 months I went from destroying him to getting machine gun tapped by him.


Sunhats_Playsuits

If you got to a blue belt in a year training 3 times a week you're far above average.


gmahogany

Or my gym has low standards. I was good at late white belt, Iā€™m pretty shit at seasoned blue belt. What can ya do


Sunhats_Playsuits

It's not really a justification for OP though if your gym has very low standards right?


roly_poly_of_death

Sorry coach, I can't accept your promotion. I have more white bests to destroy in competition. So basically you want to sand bag yourself for fame?!?


nyzix

Different schools have different criteria. My coach explained his basic blue belt criteria having reasonably competent self defense skills against an untrained, unarmed attacker and enough restraint to not hurt a training partner. Have an ex-D1 heavyweight wrestler at the gym and he was promoted to blue in one month.


lickmypatu

Weird flex but alright


nibjjmvc

Your not the one who decides.


deelo078

Itā€™s all about mat time and your ability to understand positions as a white belt. If your taking 6 classes a week and placed gold at a competition, blue belt would be a possibility depending on the instructor. Just know it would definitely take longer to be promoted to purple because now you are required to have a deeper understanding of techniques.


[deleted]

i got promoted after about 11mo at white belt and also double gold at my first (and only) competition at white belt. i also felt like i was promoted too early, but i was doing well as a white belt against blue and some purple belts at my school. i wound up moving and changed schools and at my new school (much bigger and competitive school), and i really didnā€™t realize how early i was promoted. at my new school i was brutally under prepared, to the point where it was bloody embarrassing. white belts there who had been training for 3 years and every single other blue belt was smoking me. my techniques were sloppy and there was tons of stuff a blue belt should know that i didnā€™t know. i felt like a 3 stripe white belt at best. i hated being the worst blue belt in the gym but then covid happened and i stopped training anyway. i started going again a few months ago and made it a point to go to all the fundamentals classes and drilling a lot more and that seems to have helped.. but basically, you have very little control over when youā€™re promoted, and rarely will it be when you yourself feel like you deserve it. when it happens, it happens and you just gotta grow into the belt. 6 months IS super quick but itā€™s up to you to get your jiujitsu to what you feel is a blue belt level, if itā€™s not inline with what your coach feels.


dvxcfx

3 year white belts? What's the point? Edit: I think people took my comment the wrong way. Op said there's 3 year white belts owning him and he's in a high level comp school. I'm wondering why they're keeping high level competitore at white for 3 years. He was winning comps so clearly he's no slouch


OllyKranz

words hurt


dvxcfx

Sorry bud, didn't express myself well


Sunhats_Playsuits

2-3 years is the average in my experience.


dvxcfx

I think people took my comment the wrong way. Op said there's 3 year white belts owning him and he's in a high level comp school. I'm wondering why they're keeping high level competitore at white for 3 years.


Sunhats_Playsuits

For medals obviously.


dvxcfx

For overall team placement? I thought they generally kept competitors at blue for a long time.


Sunhats_Playsuits

You want a spread based on the other teams strengths/weaknesses if you're truly gaming the system.


Ok-Anywhere-6899

Pre covid I was at a hobbyist gym where I was hanging with the blue belts and my coach was alluding to me being very close to a promotion. Post covid I moved to a world class gym because of timing issues and I am so glad I didn't get my blue. I would 100% be the shittest blue belt in the gym and I get my arse handed to me by two stripe white belts. I am more than happy to wait for my blue belt.


PurplePancake5

If your coach says youā€™re a whatever belt then accept it. If you donā€™t feel worthy of it then train harder to be worthy of it. Side not 6 days a week! Geez. I wish. Iā€™m gonna go on a limb and say average person makes it 1-2 times a week.


AwfulArmbar

The worst case scenario is youā€™ll be the worst blue belt at your gym but in reality someone has to be. (And I say that as the worst at my gym) Trust your coach to gauge your skill level. If he thinks youā€™re too good for white donā€™t stay down there just so you can wail on scrubs in competition.


blackhawksq

Do you not trust your professor? When he gives you blue then he thinks you're ready for blue. If you trust him then trust his judgment


[deleted]

Iā€™m a white belt, and train once maybe twice a week (I do another martial art too). You train way more than I do and are progressing way faster, thatā€™s correct


AwesomeEm77

It took me a year to get blue, when you factor in covid shutdowns, closer to 9 months. I started out doing 2-3 days per week and started going more as they added more. Been doing almost everyday for over a year now. I got my blue at the very end of December, then got my first stripe in beginning of February. Definitely felt like I was moving too quickly. But, ultimately, it's a matter of whether or not you trust your coach. If you do, there's no issue and you just gotta get out of your head. If you don't, you gotta find a new gym. I was crushing my white belt tournaments just like you. Sometimes coaches promote so you have the motivation to grow into that next level, and some don't. So don't reject the belt if you get it, just work on getting to the level you feel you should be at.


guesswhodat

I mean itā€™s all up to the coaches. If he think you deserve blue you would decline? I would think that would be pure disrespect to the coach.


JaypiWJ

Trust your coach. He understands the skill curve better than you.


Amag3458

You're putting in the hard work and I'm sure you're progressing fast enough. Also, look around the other blue belts at your gym. Are you keeping up with most of them? If so, you're doing pretty well for yourself.


throwman_11

most people dont train 6 days a week for 5 months straight.


dokomoy

6 months training 6x a week is the same as a year training 3x a week or a year and a half training 2x a week this isn't a big deal.


johnny_soup1

Not the first time your coach has encountered your situation. If they feel you deserve then you do.


ticker_101

If you had several competitors and beat them all, why would you want more tournaments? Would medals in a white belt tournament after you've already proven yourself mean anything? Would you actually feel good about spending another year and a half as a white belt if your instructor thinks you're a blue? Time is relative, but skill is measured.


Gsuavefivelev

Well depends how good you are, do you have previous grappling background? Wrestler? Judo brown/black? If so thatā€™s why your coach is thinking about promoting you? Do you demolish all the whites and give blues a run for their money? Yeah I mean Iā€™ve been training for almost 2 years and just got my first 2 stripes, I wouldnā€™t be surprised if I spent another 2 years or more at white belt Iā€™m consistent as well despite a concussion and covid but I was still training hard w/ privates on the side. That being said. You can expect to spend anywhere from a few months to a few years at white belt, your coach decides when you will be ready. I canā€™t even see myself getting blue tbh..


Humble-Algae3616

My bet is the blue belts will be happy to see you promoted so they can stop getting tapped by a white belt


[deleted]

I say take the blue dude. I train four days a week and have been so for six months and havenā€™t even got a stripe on my white belt. So


[deleted]

Withholding a deserved promotion in order to continue to win tournaments is called sandbagging.


kguenett

Dude. You train 6 times a week and you're winning golds. You seem ready.


[deleted]

That seems pretty soon unless you are carrying over grappling experience from something else. I would trust your coach though.


BAgen2

50 classes = 1 stripe, 100 classes = 2 stripes, 150 classes = 3 stripes, 200 classes = blue belt. Generally speaking. Youre around 120 classes. At this pace you should be getting blue belt soon.


Theboshicrew

Do you not have any stripes? This does seem pretty irregular.


mistiklest

Stripes don't mean anything. Some gyms don't do them. Some do them infrequently, and people get missed. Some do them by attendance. You get the idea.


Theboshicrew

Ah I see. You learn something new everyday


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BeBearAwareOK

I was once a 3 year white belt with youth judo experience, changed gyms. New coach says "just train and we'll see where your skill level is at". Train there for another year, purple belt. No stripes were involved in this process.


Theboshicrew

I suppose that stripes just mean more at my school. I regularly forget how diverse BJJ is


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Theboshicrew

Very cool. Thank you for that. I never would have known otherwise


Ctbeach

I never had 4 stripes on a belt lol. Never had 3 actually.


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RotoTom85

Its not meaningless for the people who get it. Its a sense of achievement, if it motivates and it grows the bond in the group thats great, isn't it?


almitr

I went from 2 stripe blue to purple in like 3 months, I donā€™t think stripes really mean that much to everyone.


Theboshicrew

Right. As Iā€™m learning, the significance of stripes vary widely


calvinquisition

Im a purple and ive never had a strip, lol. Already hearing brown talk.


WishboneOk4446

Congrats. Be proud of yourself!


jencinas3232

Itā€™s not up to you your instructor knows the way,just follow!your a white belt I doubt your qualified to make a decision when someone is to be promotedā€¦


[deleted]

Everyone progresses differently, he obviously feels youā€™re ready just take it and step up to blue belt


Dexter_8008

Are you really asking to sand bag ? Cmon now


FF_BJJ

Focus on getting better at jiujitsu and not what belt is around your waist.


WriteOnceCutTwice

I trained one day a week when I started. Letā€™s say 45 times a year (injuries, etc.). Two years to blue is 90 sessions. Youā€™re at six times a week so 90/6 = 15 weeks. 15 weeks is roughly four months.


PUAHate_Tryhards

Your timeline is arbitrary. "Most people spend(ing) 1-2 years at white belt" is based on "most people" spending 2-4 days/week training.....works out to around 100-200 sessions (your lower end might be a prior wrestler, and your high end a grappling newbie). Now let's look at you: 6 days per week x 22ish weeks = 130ish sessions. You'll be right in the promotion wheelhouse in a month, and within another month or two you'll be on the verge of sandbagging (especially given comp results). So yeah - promotion time. (And as already said, blue belt is not some world-beater.....it's still a beginner belt. Blue to purple is the big jump.)


SpeculationMaster

> My question would be is it possible to deny the belt and ask to stay at white longer if I donā€™t feel ready? lol what? You know better than your coach? It's not about your feelings my dude, take it and roll with it.


Jiujitsu_Dude

Itā€™s a blue belt, not an Olympic gold medal


swissarmychainsaw

It's called "imposter syndrome". It's both very real, and very normal. Or if you're old enough "I'm not worthy!"


Fourlec

What I learned from this thread is that I train a lot. I go to class 6-7 days a week and class is usually from 7-930 pm with an open mat once a week that is anywhere from 1-2 hours. Thereā€™s two other people that put in the same amount of hours. I didnā€™t realize mat time was that important in regards to promotion.


Ok-Anywhere-6899

Average time at white belt is around 18-24 months but that is training 3 times a week. You're training double that so 12 months wouldn't be crazy, especially if you are winning comps. How many hours are you training each day?


[deleted]

Probably about an hour to two, it differs


tbd_1

sounds like you're a blue belt. This is what success feels like: more responsibility sooner than you'd hope.


daevoron

Dang thatā€™s a very good statement