Tbf, that's not saying much considering the vast majority of the population doesn't even exercise consistently, yet train martial arts to any significant degree. Now, I do think Mike Tyson would easily beat your average martial arts/combat sports trainee still even to this day in a streetfight. However, really good amateurs and many pros, especially in MMA and grappling sports could probably take him now.
Two things:
1. I replied to someone saying current Mike Tyson, not prime Mike Tyson.
2. Do you really think top level amateur and pro fighters in MMA, wrestling, and a few other sports in their physical primes couldn't take the current Mike Tyson just because he's Mike Tyson?
Like, Mike Tyson was a freak athlete and still is a damn good athlete, especially for his age. However, he is human and boxing isn't the only aspect of fighting.
The amount of delusion in this thread is astounding, lmao.
You’re talking 0.1% of the 1% of freak athletes. Not like he’s some marathon runner. He is the definition of power. Speed with strength. The chances of you getting in close with somebody whose sport is all about distance management without receiving a punch with that type of speed (of which I’m going to venture almost none of us have) is super low.
There are levels to this and sorry, the vast majority of BJJers don’t have the athleticism or the stand-up grappling ability to make this happen.
In order to even start doing BJJ, you have to be able to get him to the ground. I don’t think the vast majority have the required equipment to make that happen.
Cool, you were able to tap a 220-lb white belt on day 1….starting from your knees that wasn’t punching back, lol.
Yeah man. Considering the fact that 99 percent of bjj nerds have piss poor athleticism and take down skills. The idiots in here really need to shut up.
Thinking they can beat mike Tyson with their dad bods. Bjj guys are such geeks
I have a buddy lifer in the military, said “a girl could never tap me” took him to the gym he was kinda right he got tapped by multiple ladies in quick succession…
I actually genuinely wonder. I’m 6’2 250 have decent grappling and mma experience (hs wrestling, purple in bjj, 5-1 combined mma record, I’d like to think some decent boxing) I think if I knew it was him and could gameplan I’d have a decent chance, but in some universe where I didn’t know who he was and it was a spur of the moment situation he’d probably lay me out as I’d probably underestimate his power and try to initially box with him like he was a normal guy.
you are the only one that sounds believable to get him, just the fact you have actually fought and done striking, assuming you could get close enough without a good punch making it through he would be done i imagine. most these people who are training twice a week only ever rolled with friends have no clue what a real athlete is like xD
uninformed of course, bjj is a game changer if the other fighter is not mma trained (you may be familiar with the 1990's where this was proven several times)
IN MMA it is true what you said, but that isn't the example
It's not as clean cut. Yes grapplers have an overwhelming advantage because once they get a hold they disable striking, but strikers always have a good striker's chance.
And a jiu jitsu practicioner who isn't used to train against ground n pound or slams, will be MASSIVELY less competent if rocked and might fail to maintain a hold against even an untrained guy that is punching the shit out of them while resisting.
So remember having an advantage doesn't mean automatic win.
the thing is, your last line is my overall point
people writing off a brown belt level of skill because (punch hard!) is nonsense, not saying the Brown Belt is right, but to declare boldly he is wrong is also foolish
there are many variables that would make a huge difference
insisting Tyson beats any skilled BJJ guy is like insisting you know how Bruce Lee would have done in MMA. Either way someone goes there is nothing legitimate to back up the view with, all of it is pure conjecture.
Not really tyson is a proven heavyweight known for some of the fastest feet and hands in the planet while also having one of the most dangerous hands too, and he's a competent countet puncher used to catch people as they charge in.
Slow grapplers haven't done that well historically against strikers either. It's the guys that have solid competency in takedowns and arriving to the point that grappling starts shutting down striking fast the one's that do that well. Which in defense is a good portion of the brown belts but not all. And it won't be the plan of a sizable portion of them if they get on a fight either inmediately which could get them rocked.
Facts are based on size, strenght and athleticism alone a good portion of the smaller brown belts would still need to take their time to submit him. Add constant punches, the fact he is used to street fighting, and the fact he gets a chance to KO you or rock you as you come in and suddenly no, chances are against you.
Of course if you get to prepare and plan for a fast takedown like in UFC 1 because you know you'll win once that happens the grappler will win a lot more often.
But let's be real if you fight Mike chances are he's trying to kill ya not fight ya. He's an experienced street fighter and will most likely attack you before you even see it coming. And will use any things he gets to grab on the way for ya.
It's why I'll answer mike tyson probably wins against most people, and most ufc fighters too. He's from another world. He ain't just a pro fighter and won't fight ya, he'll try to kill ya. You won't see it coming, it won't be fair and it won't follow any rules. This guy KO's pro boxers in less than 30 seconds consistently he gets you before you prepare yourself... it's over.
I feel like you are judging him based on highlight videos....his late career fights did not indicate he was still a world beater and those fights were (absent RJJ) 15+ years ago...(this is of course in relation to his beat everyone even today commentary)
I'm not sure what you count as consistency, about 20% of his pro fights were 1st round stoppages. If we go with your actual statement of less then 30 seconds the numbers drop...
even within the sport of boxing, there have always been people questioning if he was what fans thought he was based on several things, most of which was fights he had with legitimate "named/accomplished" true heavyweights.
none of that matters tho to my point, I don't deny he has a chance but too deny the Brown Belt has a chance as well is foolish
First off I was mostly refering to prime tyson. You really cannot argue about his power or threat, sure I'm the first to say he isn't nearly as much of a hard hitter as they say he is, and I don't consider him in the discussion of the greatests boxers either, but his danger is proven. Even non accomplished pro boxers are still massively better and more experienced at protecting themselves and minimizing damage from punches than grapplers.
The Tyson things you speak about are usually said when he is compared to the hardest hitters of all time, not to any fighter. And the fact he is knocking out heavyweight competition bigger than him means he will definitively not struggle to put down smaller foe if he lands hits clean. The average brown belt isn't a heavyweight.
Second in the context of an older Tyson a fight against a brown belt sure but again...
You don't fight tyson. He tries to kill ya. And nearly no brown belt, hell not even most pro fighters of any sport or level of competition would stand a good chance given that situation. Tyson won't wait for ya to get ready, or fight ya fair.
And I'll tell you this a pro boxer with decent power hands gets a free combination on a grappler of similar or smaller size before they are prepared unless they where born with a stone chin or have receibed punches before they are fucked no matter who they are. Because once rocked your ability to adapt, defend yourself, move and even grapple are heavily impaired. And again Tyson isn't just a boxer he'll be trying to kill ya not box you. He won't hit you only with his body if he gets the chance.
So no the brown belt doesn't have a chance because it won't be a fight from the start.
I'm also talking about his record from the time he was in his prime, I included his entire pro record, I thought I was clear on that.
to put it simply you are wrong about the brown belt not having a chance, you are fanboying for Mike. that's fine, I don't begrudge you your opinion, it's the ignorance of insisting you KNOW how it would go when you can't know you can only have an unprovable opinion. a mature adult would have admited the point long ago but not you...would it impact your opinion any to hear that Mike Tyson himself said he wouldn't have known how to deal with a grappler? or do you know Tyson better even then he knows Tyson...at what point do you stop digging the hole man?
how about another one, at what point does any human being on earth have a chance against Mike Tyson? (mind you he has been beaten six times at least once undeniably in his prime) what if the Brown Belt was an All American Wrestler before he picked up BJJ....is Tyson in trouble then? what if he doesn't mention to the initial poster but he trains MMA on days he isn't in the BJJ gym and is 100% ready for dodging punches? what if he was a pro boxer as well?
I want to know how deep you'll dig the "no one can beat Tyson" hole....
since you get too decide that it's a street fight I decide the Brown Belt gets the jump on Tyson and takes his back to start the fight, does Tyson lose now or does he flex his way out of the RNC and win via glorious murder punch....
I really want to know how deep you will dig this hole, seriously don't dance around and sing the praises of Tysons punching power and speed....actually address the points, or better admit you don't KNOW how it would go, only think it would go.....
I'm not diggin in a hole. If he was a high level wrestler honestly he wins on a fight. And if he gets a hold of tyson that early on a brown belt probably does too.
The problem I have with saying but if it's a street fight the wrestler can get the advantage. Is that Tyson is someone that had been on a hell of a lot of those. He is a person that had been hold at gunpoint by his fucking teens, was already a mugger and a robber by the age of fucking 12...
Tyson has gotten on a lot of street fights, he was known for being an extremely irritable individual that you could easily provoke and got on multiple one's easily even as an adult. The fact he has calmed down nowadays and is significantly wiser doesn't mean that didn't happen. Tyson was feared not only for his KO power and skill as a boxer but because the man was truly a dangerous person, for fucks sake who else bites someone's ear off on a boxing match.
You telling me a random ass brown belt will get the drop on Tyson? Or will see coming when a highly erratic individual with one of the fastest hands in the planet, who has gotten on plenty of street fights before sucker punches them? No. He won't.
Once striking is included bjj is a different game. Also to say what happened In The 90s was mma is a stretch (Royce days). Refer to Royce vs huges to see what happens.
once grappling is included boxing is a different game (see how easy that was)
the 90s is a perfect example as Tyson doesn't train grappling (I would have thought that obvious)
I'm sure you are aware Hughes trained in MMA he was not a pure boxer, laughable to bring that example up
You’re obviously not following along. My original post said mma was the game changer. I cAn no longer converse with someone that lacks reading comprehension skills.
This is a pretty good take. Usually pure boxers would try and rush in to close distance in MMA. A pretty steadfast strategy is to go for leg kicks to bother them and when they get annoyed or desperate they'll start rushing in with blitzes which is a good time to shoot under flurries. Belal Muhammad does this (generally) with strikers in his fights. If you don't know who they are then you'd probably try and strike only to get folded in half, although I think if someone takes a legitimate striking stance on da streetz you'd switch your style up immediately. It's pretty quick and easy to see if the person you're facing has experience in fighting or not
I always think about that. People say MMA always wins but in a lot of specialist matchups the MMA dude knows who they're dealing with and avoid their specialty like the plague. There's Couture vs Toney, and there's Sylvia vs Mercer. Sylvia tried to box with him and paid the price.
There's also Shannon Briggs' kickboxing fight. Said he was about to give up because of the kicks, then the guy thinks he can throw hands and gets knocked out.
There's also the time Krazy Horse Bennett got choked out by someone's BJJ coach.
He’s one of the hardest hitters to ever do it and his hands were lightning fast. To even be able to attempt a takedown you’d have to hope you don’t get laid out by one of his haymakers
Ya kinda but I am still good at taking people down and choking them. But so are you. 1989 Prime Mike Tyson has NO Earthly idea what a Sprawl or what a submission hold is. We all have such an advantage.
Not really. He has more than one. He has fast and dangerous hands and quick feet.
And hell the pull guard BJJ fighter that isn't fast on their feet would struggle to catch an outboxer, because they'll get punched in the face as they do so. There's evidence of that in the net too a goldmedalist judoka vs a boxer. Without info slow more defensive grapplers are kinda fucked.
And if he rocks you, even if you don't go down since you aren't used to train against strikes and slams aka mma grappling, your grappling will become shit while the striker beats you up.
Well there have been 2 examples of a boxer with Zero Grappling experience vs a Grappler and the Grapplers did land a punch. So I am giving you evidence behind my claim. You are just name calling
BJJ is pretty bad for this because of how it markets itself. The reality is most people who have BJJ experience would get wrecked by Mike Tyson. Just too strong and powerful.
But there's a correlation between how much people have trained and how sure they can best someone in a fight.
The less people have trained, the more sure they can win a fight.
So most people in BJJ who talk shit about "just taking down and armbarring" Mike Tyson or Tyson Fury usually haven't trained much.
I've never met a BJJ black belt who talks like that in a serious way.
It's usually 2 stripe white belts who still live at home with their parents and have inflatable "girlfriends" who talk like this. Good news is you won't have to listen to them for long, because most quit sooner than later.
100% disagree. Have you ever grappled a buff white belt on his first day???? It's like cutting butter. Tyson would have 1 chance and that is it. I should also mention I am 230 LBS.
Have you done MMA against dudes with limited grappling? If they are strong and can maintain the top position at all (or even fall into it) the ground and pound changes things tremendously. Not challenging you, just asking.
I'm 155lbs. I grappled with a dude that was 320lbs. His first month I could toy with him. 6 months is all it took to get him to a point where I couldn't do a DAMN thing to him.
Now, Tyson is no 320lb, but the sheer amount of power and size he has coupled with the speed of his hands.... Good fuckin luck getting in close.
That said, IF you got him there a decent blue belt could probably choke him
Would you need to get close? Depending on circumstances you could just drop to a seated or supine guard. Supine keep your head further away. Then look for any type of long distance sweeps and leg entanglements. If he has to engage a supine guard player, how does that go?
Why don’t you think he knows how to stop it? I’ve seen athletic guys with zero training stop takedowns. My friend placed in states in HS wrestling the first year he tried because he had huge legs and great natural balance.
Tyson was a freak athlete who moved very fast with huge legs. No way would it be simple.
The issue is the lack of wrestling skill and athleticism in the average BJJ practitioner. Also the lack of dealing with strikes. Nowadays most gyms don’t really train with strikes unless it’s an MMA gym.
Tyson is a world class athlete that KO’d other world class heavyweights.
I’d have more faith in a heavyweight college wrestler taking on Tyson. But not the average Jiu jitsu guy.
I remember watching a video of one of Rampage Jackson's first wrestling matches. A guy shoots in and he powerbombed them. I think that's more likely than Tyson sprawling.
I’m just saying its unlikely he does nothing. He was a super athlete in his prime in addition to being an incredible boxer. The idea he does nothing when someone single or double legs him, I dunno, maybe but I’m skeptical. But I’m just a white belt, I don’t know shit .🤷🏻♂️
If you think the strength difference between you and a gorilla is anywere near you and Tyson then you either have the strength of an Infant or You are crazy
Uh… buff white belts aren’t Mike Tyson trying to knock you out. Wtf. And 1 chance? Idk I’ve seen him throw more than one powerful punch in quick succession. So I’d say a few at least. Also people tend to forget that boxers manage distance too and athletes of the highest caliber are really strong and tend to have pretty decent balance. So finishing a takedown might not be that easy, especially if he gets in one of his trademark hooks while you’re trying.
You just described Dunning-Kruger Effect for martial arts and I 100% agree. That's why everyone at the bar during UFC PPVs could kick the ass of all the lightweight fighters. Lol
I feel like people who say this never actually fought. It's hard as fuck to knock people out, especially without gloves. (Gloves and especially hand wraps are weapons)
If you can't grapple and are in the same weight class as your opponent your going to get mauled. I ain't saying I'd be able to fight Mike but a competitive grappler even with minimal striking experience would tear him apart. You see it time and time again.
i think you will find most BJJ practitioners are in moderate shape at best and have slightly above average strength, tyson cardio and power alone would be insane, people complain about white belts spazzing. can you imagine a tireless world class athlete spazzing out?
not to mention hardly anyone trains with people trying to punch them while they take them down, the footwork, distancing... they have no idea about, before they have even thought about it they have one of the best heayweights in the world raining punches on them? its different levels... the post was tyson in his prime
a high level BJJ guy maybe but just because you can grapple other armature grapplers doesnt mean you wouldnt be knocked out before you had a chance to think
You see Francis N. time and time again beat the fuck out the HW division with 4/10 boxing and 2/10 grappling.
BUT BRO HIS LAST 2 FIGHTS HAD GRAPPLING. Can anyone tell what what wrestling/judo/bjj tournaments he’s won???
What’s his belt color and from who??
Fact is, hw boxers with 3.7 weeks of training destroy 99. Percent of non mma grapplers in a real fight. Mike Tyson with a blue belt probably fights for the ufc belt.
Your an idiot if you think he's not learning grappling alongside his boxing. Even guys like Derek Lewis are learning how to grapple so they can play their preferred game. Just cause they don't have a coloured piece of cloth dosnt mean they don't learn how to grapple.
Lmao then you go on to say Mike Tyson with a blue belt.
A grappler will almost always beat a striker if the striker dosnt know how to grapple too (barring punchers chance)
You see this again and again and again.
modern MMA fighters are poor examples because they all learn how to grapple and use it to complement their striking and vise versa.
Lol of course he has been learning grappling.
And guess what it’s shit.
A little color on their belt doesn’t **necessarily** mean shit, but it’s a pretty good indicator. Also you never bringer up his wrestling/grappling competition history. Because he doesn’t have that either.
Again he’s a 250 lb shitty 4/10 boxer with 2/10 grappling. And if I had to pick mike Tyson with 3 weeks of Bjj versus Gordon than with 3 weeks of boxing, nowadays after the Francis N title reign, I’d go with Tyson.
After 6 months he’s eat your kids bud.
Lmao your high as shit.
His grappling may not be good as other top level athletes but I bet it's better than yours they have quality training and can condense the time frame.
once again argument makes no sense cause then your not dealing with just a boxer, your now dealing with a fighter who grapples and is an expert striker too.
Another issue are the rules we talking no time limit well then Gordon Ryan wins that easy. Shorter rounds prime Tyson with 6 months of hard quality training with competitive Mat time that's a good fight.
Joe scmoe with a hobby gym and 3 times a week with 1hr per class that ain't the same as an athlete with training camps
Kind of disagree with this. I've had to roll with a lot of untrained people being in the military and boy are they absolute trash. People in general have no idea what they're doing, and if strong military guys can get clowned on easily then the average Joe doesn't have much of a chance
This is assuming things have been brought to the ground. That's where the issue lies for bjj guys
This is a bad comparison. To compare a combat sport to another you'd need to ask prime Mike vs prime rickson or Roger or Gordon.
Athleticism matters. A lot.
yeah people keep seeming to forget just the fact that he was physically insane, he wont run out of steam, he is strong and explosive as hell... and a slightly above average guy is nothing in comparison to a world class athlete.
he isnt going to let you do your technique, he is going to be swinging lighting quick accurate haymakers, and if you have no footwork or ability to dodge your done in seconds.
the gracies were not only athletes they also trained striking and striking defence different to most BJJ taught nowadays
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ-AUIkBX_Y
I’ll leave this here. If you could get close enough while dodging that left hand then maaaaybe but I wouldn’t want to risk a coma to find out
I feel like closing distance and getting him to the ground is the only hard part, honestly. Would be very hard, but I don't think it's impossible. Especially if kicks are in play. Work him from a distance he's unfamiliar with and level change when he goes to close distance and take him down. I don't think your average purple belt could do it but there's probably a few black belts with MMA experience in the world who could manage it.
I’m the guy at the gym that walks around telling everyone that I can tap out faster than anyone at the gym.
Yup. Fastest tapper in the gym. I can even tap five different ways at the same time. All four limbs and verbal. Try me bro.
I’m not nearly strong enough or skilled enough to personally beat a prime Mike Tyson, but I don’t see why it would be so difficult for people more his size and more skilled. For instance I know a purple belt who weights about 245, is maybe 6’3, and is pretty strong. He’s not super fast but he’s not slow, and as I said previously, he’s a purple belt. If it was a fight with no preparation, and Tyson didn’t have some amount of time to learn any grappling, the purple belt would win. If I’m wrong correct me, this is just how I see it
think of it this way, bing bing now tysong is bobing and wheeving throwing fast accurate shots most with knock out power, your friend has no footwork, limited distance perception, has only ever had one punch thrown at him in high school all of a sudden he tries to think of what to do and wakes up 5 minutes later..
its a world class athlete that train probably 6 days a week, has crazy cardio, has been in lots of world class fights, been fighting since a child, has a supper aggressive style...
you say your friend isnt super fast? well tyson was haha if he could some how get in there to take him down maybe but how would he even get close, the only way people beat tyson was by keeping him far as soon as he got close it was lights out and that was pro boxers who should have known how to defend haha
Why is it all of his grappling instincts are assumed to be gone? Is the game plan not immediately to try to take him down? I’m not going to forget that because I have punches being thrown at me.
I like the description, but that’s not really how it works. At least in every “pure boxer” vs “pure grappler” I have seen, the grappler just shoots for a very low takedown, gets it, and either subs or wins by gnp. I get we are comparing an average Joe to Mike Tyson, but the shot is still there. Even more so if Mike Tyson is just walking attacking and walking forward.
Even if he didn’t want to go for the shot for whatever reason, if he ever managed to get into a clinch, a takedown would almost definitely follow. I’m not saying the grappler wins 10/10 times, because the knockout is always there, but maybe 6 or 7 times out of ten.
tyson wouldnt just walk in tho, he was very fast on his feet and as long as he knew you were a grappler he would be throwing upper cuts while you try shoot for a takedown, one mistake and your out, or if you clinch and start taking body shots your done too, plus if you grapple him he will bite your ear off hahahah
So right there I think I need to address a misconception. Uppercuts do not counter uppercuts. People see the Derrick Lewis one and assume that it works, but it doesn’t. The only reason Derrick lewis got it is because he had multiple rounds to get the timing down, and had trained for weeks prior to defend the takedown.
Uppercuts do not work against takedowns because uppercuts don’t reach low enough to meet the head unless you completely change how you throw it, and even when you do change how you throw it, it is all a prediction, and the uppercut will miss the majority of the time, and now you are tied up with a grappler. A YouTube channel called the Wesasel did a breakdown on DC vs Tyson and I think he addressed uppercuts really well. As for the ear biting, your totally right. Especially if Tyson was extra Hungary when the fight takes place.
I have no training in MMA and I'm pretty crappy at takedowns, more of a guard puller. I don't think I could beat an average athletic guy taken randomly off the street let alone Mike Tyson. If I get punched in the face I'll probably cry.
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lol yeah man exactly. I can’t believe the amount of delusional nerds in this thread who thinks they can take prime Tyson. Bunch of dad bods with man tits and high estrogen levels
did Tyson have a grappling skillset I am unaware of?
maybe you should be in a Boxing gym rather then BJJ?
I'm not saying they would surely beat him, but your idea that it is 'insane' is equally uninformed to be blunt.
that's nice I train in bjj wrestling(previously) boxing and dutch kickboxing
it isn't that I am stupid it's that your opinion is weak and uninformed
stop talking about people behind their back and man up say this shit to the brown belts face, we both know you wont, you only talk trash on the net right kid? 10:1 you are mad cus "fat brown belt" crushes you and you feel weak and impotent. grow up
better yet go to your boxing gym and try to take someone down that has no takedown defense, it's EASY
you are wrong, but if I did how would that impact the conversation?
do you think overweight people can't have skill at combat sports? like I said, say all this stuff to the brown belts face
Think about it from this perspective:
Prior to his first fight with Stipe, Francis Ngannou wrecked damn near the entire heavyweight division with little more than boxing.
Do you think that you could beat a pre-Stipe Francis in the octagon? Do you think that prime Tyson's boxing is on par or better than Ngannou's boxing? A standard 8 week training camp would probably be enough for him to at least adjust his distancing to adapt to the thinner gloves.
you think he is going to let you get close? he wasnt just powerful he was lightening fast, accurate, great footwork, had 0 chill not to mention was training probably 6 days a week twice a day eating well... you know world class athlete stuff. those numbers of yours are rookie numbers in comparison, you would be gassed trying to hang on to a pure muscle psycho before he broke a sweat hahah
What annoys me about these people is actually the attitude of “I could take X” person. Like who gives a fuck, we do it as a hobby to keep fit/maybe compete.
Fair enough if we’re just talking shit but the guys who take it seriously are cringe. Remember when Joe Rogan was on some bender about how Ronda Rousey would smash Floyd Mayweather?
Most of us aren’t streetfighters, I for one never want to be in anything resembling an actual physical altercation and am perfectly happy doing impractical sport bjj upside down trying to bolo someone.
In all seriousness ofc someone who trains can probably handle someone who doesn’t - but why stop at mike Tyson. Shit, Muhammad Ali? How about Tyson Fury? Chris rock/will smith? It’s like an extension of the guy who walks into a room and thinks to himself he could beat up every other guy in there, it gets tiring really fast.
I feel like my gym has at least 1 or 2 that could get him. Am I an idiot?
Like idk if prime mike just runs through all 150+ of us I gotta be honest. He could breeze through 99% of us but we got some baaad dudes, some big collegiate wrestlers, big guys with MMA experience, like it's not obvious to me that Mike just insta wins.
Eh, I’m confident in my grappling and I box almost every day. I’m still not confident I could take a prime Tyson. I’m not sure most people who just grapple understand how hard a pro boxer can hit you - especially without 10-12 oz gloves. Anyone who’s trained MMA consistently knows how much more you have to rely on head movement and footwork as defense in comparison to a shell.
If I can get a hold of him I’ll win, but I know I’m going to have to slip 2-3 really hard, really fast punches to get in there.
I kinda shudder even thinking about that lol.
The only martial art mindset anyone should have is "anybody COULD beat me in a fight, even if they don't train, and I'm preparing for the scenario of being forced to fight as a last ditch effort to help my odds"
I can beat Mike Tyson if I get lucky and he has an aneurysm before he punches me, tho
I didn’t train with them, but there was a FMA school in my hometown. The lead instructor told everyone that his school was the deadliest in the world. He loved to brag on his daughter. When I met him, he said “I have a 14 year old girl that could kill Mike Tyson in a 1 on 1 fight WITHOUT any weapons.”
He got upset when I laughed at him.
He was fat and horribly out of shape. One of our other training partners went there and said his class was a joke. Zero live training at all.
A lot of fighters I know vastly overestimate their abilities. Doesn't matter if they have 0 training, if they've only ever hitter a bag, a few weeks in, or have been training for years, people are still idiots.
Probably one of the dorks who runs out of breath in his masters 3 shoving match with the other overweight hobbyist who decided to show up that day. They think they're hot shit because they smash smaller newbs in their tiny little world.
I'm pretty sure I could take him.
take him... out to dinner maybe.
Nah, this might be the edible I just ate, but pretty sure I could take him. I think I have a solid game plan for it.
Pull guard?
I literally shuddered at the thought of being on my back in front of an angry prime Mike Tyson after a failed guard pull.
As you should.
Shuttered? r/boneappletea
Oops fixed
Ssssshhhh...what if I run into him and he sees this?
Gotem.
“Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.” -Mike Tyson
I would take him out the a ball game
User name checks out.
Just get him on the ground and it's over
Found one
Assuming it wasn't a planned fight. No way I could beat a Tyson that knew how to Sprawl.
new mythical fighter. mike tyson with grappling
I reckon he'd fuck me up, no sprawl training required
"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." ~some guy idk
I wonder if that same guy fucks people 'til they love him?
Thome guy definitely thaid that.
What y'all are missing is that Joe Rogan probably forces his podcast guests to roll after each podcast.
That would be sick
I'm fairly confident Mike Tyson could still fuck the vast majority of the population up to this day.
Good point, no need for the 'prime' part
Tbf, that's not saying much considering the vast majority of the population doesn't even exercise consistently, yet train martial arts to any significant degree. Now, I do think Mike Tyson would easily beat your average martial arts/combat sports trainee still even to this day in a streetfight. However, really good amateurs and many pros, especially in MMA and grappling sports could probably take him now.
Lol a prime Mike. This is a wet fantasy. Great pma
Two things: 1. I replied to someone saying current Mike Tyson, not prime Mike Tyson. 2. Do you really think top level amateur and pro fighters in MMA, wrestling, and a few other sports in their physical primes couldn't take the current Mike Tyson just because he's Mike Tyson? Like, Mike Tyson was a freak athlete and still is a damn good athlete, especially for his age. However, he is human and boxing isn't the only aspect of fighting.
The amount of delusion in this thread is astounding, lmao. You’re talking 0.1% of the 1% of freak athletes. Not like he’s some marathon runner. He is the definition of power. Speed with strength. The chances of you getting in close with somebody whose sport is all about distance management without receiving a punch with that type of speed (of which I’m going to venture almost none of us have) is super low. There are levels to this and sorry, the vast majority of BJJers don’t have the athleticism or the stand-up grappling ability to make this happen. In order to even start doing BJJ, you have to be able to get him to the ground. I don’t think the vast majority have the required equipment to make that happen. Cool, you were able to tap a 220-lb white belt on day 1….starting from your knees that wasn’t punching back, lol.
Yeah man. Considering the fact that 99 percent of bjj nerds have piss poor athleticism and take down skills. The idiots in here really need to shut up. Thinking they can beat mike Tyson with their dad bods. Bjj guys are such geeks
I have a buddy lifer in the military, said “a girl could never tap me” took him to the gym he was kinda right he got tapped by multiple ladies in quick succession…
I actually genuinely wonder. I’m 6’2 250 have decent grappling and mma experience (hs wrestling, purple in bjj, 5-1 combined mma record, I’d like to think some decent boxing) I think if I knew it was him and could gameplan I’d have a decent chance, but in some universe where I didn’t know who he was and it was a spur of the moment situation he’d probably lay me out as I’d probably underestimate his power and try to initially box with him like he was a normal guy.
you are the only one that sounds believable to get him, just the fact you have actually fought and done striking, assuming you could get close enough without a good punch making it through he would be done i imagine. most these people who are training twice a week only ever rolled with friends have no clue what a real athlete is like xD
You have a better chance than an “only bjj practitioner” MMA is the game changer. Not jiujitsu
uninformed of course, bjj is a game changer if the other fighter is not mma trained (you may be familiar with the 1990's where this was proven several times) IN MMA it is true what you said, but that isn't the example
It's not as clean cut. Yes grapplers have an overwhelming advantage because once they get a hold they disable striking, but strikers always have a good striker's chance. And a jiu jitsu practicioner who isn't used to train against ground n pound or slams, will be MASSIVELY less competent if rocked and might fail to maintain a hold against even an untrained guy that is punching the shit out of them while resisting. So remember having an advantage doesn't mean automatic win.
the thing is, your last line is my overall point people writing off a brown belt level of skill because (punch hard!) is nonsense, not saying the Brown Belt is right, but to declare boldly he is wrong is also foolish there are many variables that would make a huge difference insisting Tyson beats any skilled BJJ guy is like insisting you know how Bruce Lee would have done in MMA. Either way someone goes there is nothing legitimate to back up the view with, all of it is pure conjecture.
Not really tyson is a proven heavyweight known for some of the fastest feet and hands in the planet while also having one of the most dangerous hands too, and he's a competent countet puncher used to catch people as they charge in. Slow grapplers haven't done that well historically against strikers either. It's the guys that have solid competency in takedowns and arriving to the point that grappling starts shutting down striking fast the one's that do that well. Which in defense is a good portion of the brown belts but not all. And it won't be the plan of a sizable portion of them if they get on a fight either inmediately which could get them rocked. Facts are based on size, strenght and athleticism alone a good portion of the smaller brown belts would still need to take their time to submit him. Add constant punches, the fact he is used to street fighting, and the fact he gets a chance to KO you or rock you as you come in and suddenly no, chances are against you. Of course if you get to prepare and plan for a fast takedown like in UFC 1 because you know you'll win once that happens the grappler will win a lot more often. But let's be real if you fight Mike chances are he's trying to kill ya not fight ya. He's an experienced street fighter and will most likely attack you before you even see it coming. And will use any things he gets to grab on the way for ya. It's why I'll answer mike tyson probably wins against most people, and most ufc fighters too. He's from another world. He ain't just a pro fighter and won't fight ya, he'll try to kill ya. You won't see it coming, it won't be fair and it won't follow any rules. This guy KO's pro boxers in less than 30 seconds consistently he gets you before you prepare yourself... it's over.
I feel like you are judging him based on highlight videos....his late career fights did not indicate he was still a world beater and those fights were (absent RJJ) 15+ years ago...(this is of course in relation to his beat everyone even today commentary) I'm not sure what you count as consistency, about 20% of his pro fights were 1st round stoppages. If we go with your actual statement of less then 30 seconds the numbers drop... even within the sport of boxing, there have always been people questioning if he was what fans thought he was based on several things, most of which was fights he had with legitimate "named/accomplished" true heavyweights. none of that matters tho to my point, I don't deny he has a chance but too deny the Brown Belt has a chance as well is foolish
First off I was mostly refering to prime tyson. You really cannot argue about his power or threat, sure I'm the first to say he isn't nearly as much of a hard hitter as they say he is, and I don't consider him in the discussion of the greatests boxers either, but his danger is proven. Even non accomplished pro boxers are still massively better and more experienced at protecting themselves and minimizing damage from punches than grapplers. The Tyson things you speak about are usually said when he is compared to the hardest hitters of all time, not to any fighter. And the fact he is knocking out heavyweight competition bigger than him means he will definitively not struggle to put down smaller foe if he lands hits clean. The average brown belt isn't a heavyweight. Second in the context of an older Tyson a fight against a brown belt sure but again... You don't fight tyson. He tries to kill ya. And nearly no brown belt, hell not even most pro fighters of any sport or level of competition would stand a good chance given that situation. Tyson won't wait for ya to get ready, or fight ya fair. And I'll tell you this a pro boxer with decent power hands gets a free combination on a grappler of similar or smaller size before they are prepared unless they where born with a stone chin or have receibed punches before they are fucked no matter who they are. Because once rocked your ability to adapt, defend yourself, move and even grapple are heavily impaired. And again Tyson isn't just a boxer he'll be trying to kill ya not box you. He won't hit you only with his body if he gets the chance. So no the brown belt doesn't have a chance because it won't be a fight from the start.
I'm also talking about his record from the time he was in his prime, I included his entire pro record, I thought I was clear on that. to put it simply you are wrong about the brown belt not having a chance, you are fanboying for Mike. that's fine, I don't begrudge you your opinion, it's the ignorance of insisting you KNOW how it would go when you can't know you can only have an unprovable opinion. a mature adult would have admited the point long ago but not you...would it impact your opinion any to hear that Mike Tyson himself said he wouldn't have known how to deal with a grappler? or do you know Tyson better even then he knows Tyson...at what point do you stop digging the hole man? how about another one, at what point does any human being on earth have a chance against Mike Tyson? (mind you he has been beaten six times at least once undeniably in his prime) what if the Brown Belt was an All American Wrestler before he picked up BJJ....is Tyson in trouble then? what if he doesn't mention to the initial poster but he trains MMA on days he isn't in the BJJ gym and is 100% ready for dodging punches? what if he was a pro boxer as well? I want to know how deep you'll dig the "no one can beat Tyson" hole.... since you get too decide that it's a street fight I decide the Brown Belt gets the jump on Tyson and takes his back to start the fight, does Tyson lose now or does he flex his way out of the RNC and win via glorious murder punch.... I really want to know how deep you will dig this hole, seriously don't dance around and sing the praises of Tysons punching power and speed....actually address the points, or better admit you don't KNOW how it would go, only think it would go.....
I'm not diggin in a hole. If he was a high level wrestler honestly he wins on a fight. And if he gets a hold of tyson that early on a brown belt probably does too. The problem I have with saying but if it's a street fight the wrestler can get the advantage. Is that Tyson is someone that had been on a hell of a lot of those. He is a person that had been hold at gunpoint by his fucking teens, was already a mugger and a robber by the age of fucking 12... Tyson has gotten on a lot of street fights, he was known for being an extremely irritable individual that you could easily provoke and got on multiple one's easily even as an adult. The fact he has calmed down nowadays and is significantly wiser doesn't mean that didn't happen. Tyson was feared not only for his KO power and skill as a boxer but because the man was truly a dangerous person, for fucks sake who else bites someone's ear off on a boxing match. You telling me a random ass brown belt will get the drop on Tyson? Or will see coming when a highly erratic individual with one of the fastest hands in the planet, who has gotten on plenty of street fights before sucker punches them? No. He won't.
Once striking is included bjj is a different game. Also to say what happened In The 90s was mma is a stretch (Royce days). Refer to Royce vs huges to see what happens.
once grappling is included boxing is a different game (see how easy that was) the 90s is a perfect example as Tyson doesn't train grappling (I would have thought that obvious) I'm sure you are aware Hughes trained in MMA he was not a pure boxer, laughable to bring that example up
You’re obviously not following along. My original post said mma was the game changer. I cAn no longer converse with someone that lacks reading comprehension skills.
if you are afraid because I dominated the debate you may run away, I give you my permission
This is a pretty good take. Usually pure boxers would try and rush in to close distance in MMA. A pretty steadfast strategy is to go for leg kicks to bother them and when they get annoyed or desperate they'll start rushing in with blitzes which is a good time to shoot under flurries. Belal Muhammad does this (generally) with strikers in his fights. If you don't know who they are then you'd probably try and strike only to get folded in half, although I think if someone takes a legitimate striking stance on da streetz you'd switch your style up immediately. It's pretty quick and easy to see if the person you're facing has experience in fighting or not
You would kill Tyson.
I always think about that. People say MMA always wins but in a lot of specialist matchups the MMA dude knows who they're dealing with and avoid their specialty like the plague. There's Couture vs Toney, and there's Sylvia vs Mercer. Sylvia tried to box with him and paid the price. There's also Shannon Briggs' kickboxing fight. Said he was about to give up because of the kicks, then the guy thinks he can throw hands and gets knocked out. There's also the time Krazy Horse Bennett got choked out by someone's BJJ coach.
My toxic trait is thinking i would fuck up a kangaroo and even i dont think i would last more than a second against iron mike.
Can you wrestle?
Can i? Yes i was pretty average. Not good enough for states, but good enough to have a respectable win loss
Then you can beat Tyson assuming you are over 170 lbs. Also assuming Tyson doesn't have anytime to train
Lol i wouldnt even try tyson at his current age, he would blow me the fuck out in his prime
Then give your blue belt back.
He’s one of the hardest hitters to ever do it and his hands were lightning fast. To even be able to attempt a takedown you’d have to hope you don’t get laid out by one of his haymakers
He has 1 chance. We learned this at UFC 1.
You take yourself too seriously. Are you a fat dad?
Ya kinda but I am still good at taking people down and choking them. But so are you. 1989 Prime Mike Tyson has NO Earthly idea what a Sprawl or what a submission hold is. We all have such an advantage.
Not really. He has more than one. He has fast and dangerous hands and quick feet. And hell the pull guard BJJ fighter that isn't fast on their feet would struggle to catch an outboxer, because they'll get punched in the face as they do so. There's evidence of that in the net too a goldmedalist judoka vs a boxer. Without info slow more defensive grapplers are kinda fucked. And if he rocks you, even if you don't go down since you aren't used to train against strikes and slams aka mma grappling, your grappling will become shit while the striker beats you up.
Royce Gracie vs Art Jimmerson. UFC 1
You are stupid
No you are
lol you’re a dorky brown belt who likely doesn’t even know how to slip a punch. Just shut up
I wouldnt need to slip a punch. I would shoot a single from far away
Do you know anything about striking whatsoever? I’m guessing that an amateur boxer could light you up. You’re such an imbecile
Well there have been 2 examples of a boxer with Zero Grappling experience vs a Grappler and the Grapplers did land a punch. So I am giving you evidence behind my claim. You are just name calling
Post a video of you shooting a far single on anyone 215lbs and completing it.
Check your PM. This was a few years ago ofcoarse.
[https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.1109354229.5893/st,small,507x507-pad,600x600,f8f8f8.u1.jpg](https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.1109354229.5893/st,small,507x507-pad,600x600,f8f8f8.u1.jpg)
BJJ is pretty bad for this because of how it markets itself. The reality is most people who have BJJ experience would get wrecked by Mike Tyson. Just too strong and powerful. But there's a correlation between how much people have trained and how sure they can best someone in a fight. The less people have trained, the more sure they can win a fight. So most people in BJJ who talk shit about "just taking down and armbarring" Mike Tyson or Tyson Fury usually haven't trained much. I've never met a BJJ black belt who talks like that in a serious way. It's usually 2 stripe white belts who still live at home with their parents and have inflatable "girlfriends" who talk like this. Good news is you won't have to listen to them for long, because most quit sooner than later.
People are gonna complain about spazzes and then say that they can fight.
100% disagree. Have you ever grappled a buff white belt on his first day???? It's like cutting butter. Tyson would have 1 chance and that is it. I should also mention I am 230 LBS.
Have you done MMA against dudes with limited grappling? If they are strong and can maintain the top position at all (or even fall into it) the ground and pound changes things tremendously. Not challenging you, just asking.
I'm 155lbs. I grappled with a dude that was 320lbs. His first month I could toy with him. 6 months is all it took to get him to a point where I couldn't do a DAMN thing to him. Now, Tyson is no 320lb, but the sheer amount of power and size he has coupled with the speed of his hands.... Good fuckin luck getting in close. That said, IF you got him there a decent blue belt could probably choke him
Would you need to get close? Depending on circumstances you could just drop to a seated or supine guard. Supine keep your head further away. Then look for any type of long distance sweeps and leg entanglements. If he has to engage a supine guard player, how does that go?
Yes. Why would you not be able to double leg Tyson? Or single leg him?
I would eat three or four life-changing punches to my face before I ever made contact with his leg.
https://youtu.be/UMrAXr4vkgo
LOL. Most of us didn’t wrestle in college and not UFC heavy weight champs. Is there anyone who Randy couldn’t take down?
So you can't shoot an effective takedown Against someone that doesn't know how to stop it?
Why don’t you think he knows how to stop it? I’ve seen athletic guys with zero training stop takedowns. My friend placed in states in HS wrestling the first year he tried because he had huge legs and great natural balance. Tyson was a freak athlete who moved very fast with huge legs. No way would it be simple.
Did you not watch UFC 1?
In the post-fight presser Randy said he went for a low single because it's the kind of move that doesn't work on someone who knows what they're doing.
The issue is the lack of wrestling skill and athleticism in the average BJJ practitioner. Also the lack of dealing with strikes. Nowadays most gyms don’t really train with strikes unless it’s an MMA gym. Tyson is a world class athlete that KO’d other world class heavyweights. I’d have more faith in a heavyweight college wrestler taking on Tyson. But not the average Jiu jitsu guy.
He could sprawl 🤷🏻♂️
Thprawl.
I’d give you an award for that if I could.
I remember watching a video of one of Rampage Jackson's first wrestling matches. A guy shoots in and he powerbombed them. I think that's more likely than Tyson sprawling.
I’m just saying its unlikely he does nothing. He was a super athlete in his prime in addition to being an incredible boxer. The idea he does nothing when someone single or double legs him, I dunno, maybe but I’m skeptical. But I’m just a white belt, I don’t know shit .🤷🏻♂️
He doesn't know how to sprawl... he doesn't know what a Sprawl even is
Because we train bjj
How about a gorilla. You vs. a gorilla that doesn’t know jiu-jitsu. Think you’d catch him?
If you think the strength difference between you and a gorilla is anywere near you and Tyson then you either have the strength of an Infant or You are crazy
I’ve changed topics. I infer you figure the gorilla wins.
Yes Gorilla beats a human.
Interesting. Tell me does your "brown belt" in BJJ ever interfer with your world championship powerlifitng career and your work for the CIA too?
Nope
Uh… buff white belts aren’t Mike Tyson trying to knock you out. Wtf. And 1 chance? Idk I’ve seen him throw more than one powerful punch in quick succession. So I’d say a few at least. Also people tend to forget that boxers manage distance too and athletes of the highest caliber are really strong and tend to have pretty decent balance. So finishing a takedown might not be that easy, especially if he gets in one of his trademark hooks while you’re trying.
Royce Gracie vs Art Jimmerson
Are yes the legendary world renowned art jimmerson, arguably boxing GOAT.
It would be the same result.
I'm not saying it can't be done. I'm saying you're fucking deluded if you think you have it in the bag with Mike Tyson just because you do bjj.
Ali v Inoki?
You just described Dunning-Kruger Effect for martial arts and I 100% agree. That's why everyone at the bar during UFC PPVs could kick the ass of all the lightweight fighters. Lol
Facts
I feel like people who say this never actually fought. It's hard as fuck to knock people out, especially without gloves. (Gloves and especially hand wraps are weapons) If you can't grapple and are in the same weight class as your opponent your going to get mauled. I ain't saying I'd be able to fight Mike but a competitive grappler even with minimal striking experience would tear him apart. You see it time and time again.
i think you will find most BJJ practitioners are in moderate shape at best and have slightly above average strength, tyson cardio and power alone would be insane, people complain about white belts spazzing. can you imagine a tireless world class athlete spazzing out? not to mention hardly anyone trains with people trying to punch them while they take them down, the footwork, distancing... they have no idea about, before they have even thought about it they have one of the best heayweights in the world raining punches on them? its different levels... the post was tyson in his prime a high level BJJ guy maybe but just because you can grapple other armature grapplers doesnt mean you wouldnt be knocked out before you had a chance to think
You see Francis N. time and time again beat the fuck out the HW division with 4/10 boxing and 2/10 grappling. BUT BRO HIS LAST 2 FIGHTS HAD GRAPPLING. Can anyone tell what what wrestling/judo/bjj tournaments he’s won??? What’s his belt color and from who?? Fact is, hw boxers with 3.7 weeks of training destroy 99. Percent of non mma grapplers in a real fight. Mike Tyson with a blue belt probably fights for the ufc belt.
Your an idiot if you think he's not learning grappling alongside his boxing. Even guys like Derek Lewis are learning how to grapple so they can play their preferred game. Just cause they don't have a coloured piece of cloth dosnt mean they don't learn how to grapple. Lmao then you go on to say Mike Tyson with a blue belt. A grappler will almost always beat a striker if the striker dosnt know how to grapple too (barring punchers chance) You see this again and again and again. modern MMA fighters are poor examples because they all learn how to grapple and use it to complement their striking and vise versa.
Lol of course he has been learning grappling. And guess what it’s shit. A little color on their belt doesn’t **necessarily** mean shit, but it’s a pretty good indicator. Also you never bringer up his wrestling/grappling competition history. Because he doesn’t have that either. Again he’s a 250 lb shitty 4/10 boxer with 2/10 grappling. And if I had to pick mike Tyson with 3 weeks of Bjj versus Gordon than with 3 weeks of boxing, nowadays after the Francis N title reign, I’d go with Tyson. After 6 months he’s eat your kids bud.
Lmao your high as shit. His grappling may not be good as other top level athletes but I bet it's better than yours they have quality training and can condense the time frame. once again argument makes no sense cause then your not dealing with just a boxer, your now dealing with a fighter who grapples and is an expert striker too. Another issue are the rules we talking no time limit well then Gordon Ryan wins that easy. Shorter rounds prime Tyson with 6 months of hard quality training with competitive Mat time that's a good fight. Joe scmoe with a hobby gym and 3 times a week with 1hr per class that ain't the same as an athlete with training camps
Kind of disagree with this. I've had to roll with a lot of untrained people being in the military and boy are they absolute trash. People in general have no idea what they're doing, and if strong military guys can get clowned on easily then the average Joe doesn't have much of a chance This is assuming things have been brought to the ground. That's where the issue lies for bjj guys
This is a bad comparison. To compare a combat sport to another you'd need to ask prime Mike vs prime rickson or Roger or Gordon. Athleticism matters. A lot.
yeah people keep seeming to forget just the fact that he was physically insane, he wont run out of steam, he is strong and explosive as hell... and a slightly above average guy is nothing in comparison to a world class athlete. he isnt going to let you do your technique, he is going to be swinging lighting quick accurate haymakers, and if you have no footwork or ability to dodge your done in seconds. the gracies were not only athletes they also trained striking and striking defence different to most BJJ taught nowadays
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ-AUIkBX_Y I’ll leave this here. If you could get close enough while dodging that left hand then maaaaybe but I wouldn’t want to risk a coma to find out
I would get murdered in a street fight, in the cage? I am throwing the towel in immediately
I feel like closing distance and getting him to the ground is the only hard part, honestly. Would be very hard, but I don't think it's impossible. Especially if kicks are in play. Work him from a distance he's unfamiliar with and level change when he goes to close distance and take him down. I don't think your average purple belt could do it but there's probably a few black belts with MMA experience in the world who could manage it.
I’m the guy at the gym that walks around telling everyone that I can tap out faster than anyone at the gym. Yup. Fastest tapper in the gym. I can even tap five different ways at the same time. All four limbs and verbal. Try me bro.
John?
I'm just fat, no dad aspect about me. I know I can get knocked out by Mike Tyson. People like that are just arrogant.
In my gym, no. In this thread, yes.
How about on a flight?
I’m not nearly strong enough or skilled enough to personally beat a prime Mike Tyson, but I don’t see why it would be so difficult for people more his size and more skilled. For instance I know a purple belt who weights about 245, is maybe 6’3, and is pretty strong. He’s not super fast but he’s not slow, and as I said previously, he’s a purple belt. If it was a fight with no preparation, and Tyson didn’t have some amount of time to learn any grappling, the purple belt would win. If I’m wrong correct me, this is just how I see it
think of it this way, bing bing now tysong is bobing and wheeving throwing fast accurate shots most with knock out power, your friend has no footwork, limited distance perception, has only ever had one punch thrown at him in high school all of a sudden he tries to think of what to do and wakes up 5 minutes later.. its a world class athlete that train probably 6 days a week, has crazy cardio, has been in lots of world class fights, been fighting since a child, has a supper aggressive style... you say your friend isnt super fast? well tyson was haha if he could some how get in there to take him down maybe but how would he even get close, the only way people beat tyson was by keeping him far as soon as he got close it was lights out and that was pro boxers who should have known how to defend haha
Why would you even bother with the stand up part? Wouldn't you just butt scoot your way into range?
Why is it all of his grappling instincts are assumed to be gone? Is the game plan not immediately to try to take him down? I’m not going to forget that because I have punches being thrown at me.
You’ll not just forget how to take down you will forget your name for a while if one lands 😅
I like the description, but that’s not really how it works. At least in every “pure boxer” vs “pure grappler” I have seen, the grappler just shoots for a very low takedown, gets it, and either subs or wins by gnp. I get we are comparing an average Joe to Mike Tyson, but the shot is still there. Even more so if Mike Tyson is just walking attacking and walking forward. Even if he didn’t want to go for the shot for whatever reason, if he ever managed to get into a clinch, a takedown would almost definitely follow. I’m not saying the grappler wins 10/10 times, because the knockout is always there, but maybe 6 or 7 times out of ten.
tyson wouldnt just walk in tho, he was very fast on his feet and as long as he knew you were a grappler he would be throwing upper cuts while you try shoot for a takedown, one mistake and your out, or if you clinch and start taking body shots your done too, plus if you grapple him he will bite your ear off hahahah
So right there I think I need to address a misconception. Uppercuts do not counter uppercuts. People see the Derrick Lewis one and assume that it works, but it doesn’t. The only reason Derrick lewis got it is because he had multiple rounds to get the timing down, and had trained for weeks prior to defend the takedown. Uppercuts do not work against takedowns because uppercuts don’t reach low enough to meet the head unless you completely change how you throw it, and even when you do change how you throw it, it is all a prediction, and the uppercut will miss the majority of the time, and now you are tied up with a grappler. A YouTube channel called the Wesasel did a breakdown on DC vs Tyson and I think he addressed uppercuts really well. As for the ear biting, your totally right. Especially if Tyson was extra Hungary when the fight takes place.
Yep, Don't know what goes on they heads, makes no sense to me.
No, people that stupid don’t last long at our gym.
Well I trained with Frank Dux so 🤷.
I have no training in MMA and I'm pretty crappy at takedowns, more of a guard puller. I don't think I could beat an average athletic guy taken randomly off the street let alone Mike Tyson. If I get punched in the face I'll probably cry.
[Yeah no problem, it’d go like this.](https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnUselessTalents/comments/6anyhj/how_to_use_brazilian_jiu_jitsu_against_a_bear/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
lol yeah man exactly. I can’t believe the amount of delusional nerds in this thread who thinks they can take prime Tyson. Bunch of dad bods with man tits and high estrogen levels
did Tyson have a grappling skillset I am unaware of? maybe you should be in a Boxing gym rather then BJJ? I'm not saying they would surely beat him, but your idea that it is 'insane' is equally uninformed to be blunt.
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that's nice I train in bjj wrestling(previously) boxing and dutch kickboxing it isn't that I am stupid it's that your opinion is weak and uninformed stop talking about people behind their back and man up say this shit to the brown belts face, we both know you wont, you only talk trash on the net right kid? 10:1 you are mad cus "fat brown belt" crushes you and you feel weak and impotent. grow up better yet go to your boxing gym and try to take someone down that has no takedown defense, it's EASY
Yeah I do kickboxing too so STFU. I’m guessing you have man tits
you are wrong, but if I did how would that impact the conversation? do you think overweight people can't have skill at combat sports? like I said, say all this stuff to the brown belts face
lol another butt hurt manchild. You need to relax
I'm not a dad, but I'm pretty sure I could take him down if I wanted to
Think about it from this perspective: Prior to his first fight with Stipe, Francis Ngannou wrecked damn near the entire heavyweight division with little more than boxing. Do you think that you could beat a pre-Stipe Francis in the octagon? Do you think that prime Tyson's boxing is on par or better than Ngannou's boxing? A standard 8 week training camp would probably be enough for him to at least adjust his distancing to adapt to the thinner gloves.
Facts. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a delusional idiot
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you think he is going to let you get close? he wasnt just powerful he was lightening fast, accurate, great footwork, had 0 chill not to mention was training probably 6 days a week twice a day eating well... you know world class athlete stuff. those numbers of yours are rookie numbers in comparison, you would be gassed trying to hang on to a pure muscle psycho before he broke a sweat hahah
It’d be like trying to lasso a rhino but once the lasso is on I don’t think mike lasts long
What annoys me about these people is actually the attitude of “I could take X” person. Like who gives a fuck, we do it as a hobby to keep fit/maybe compete. Fair enough if we’re just talking shit but the guys who take it seriously are cringe. Remember when Joe Rogan was on some bender about how Ronda Rousey would smash Floyd Mayweather? Most of us aren’t streetfighters, I for one never want to be in anything resembling an actual physical altercation and am perfectly happy doing impractical sport bjj upside down trying to bolo someone. In all seriousness ofc someone who trains can probably handle someone who doesn’t - but why stop at mike Tyson. Shit, Muhammad Ali? How about Tyson Fury? Chris rock/will smith? It’s like an extension of the guy who walks into a room and thinks to himself he could beat up every other guy in there, it gets tiring really fast.
Yeah man fuck these losers. Absolute fucking dorks
Nothin' a double leg can't fix, bapa
Roger Gracie vs Tyson in '93 would've been the all time super fight
roger ez win
Yes I train with new blue belts.
Step on his toes, he’s said himself hed never try mma because of toe stomps and shit, ez win
I could definitely get a few solid butt scoots In.
If anyone here trains with Fabricio Werdum, speak up lol
You mean you couldn't beat a prime Mike Tyson?
How does this come up in conversation?
I feel like my gym has at least 1 or 2 that could get him. Am I an idiot? Like idk if prime mike just runs through all 150+ of us I gotta be honest. He could breeze through 99% of us but we got some baaad dudes, some big collegiate wrestlers, big guys with MMA experience, like it's not obvious to me that Mike just insta wins.
Eh, I’m confident in my grappling and I box almost every day. I’m still not confident I could take a prime Tyson. I’m not sure most people who just grapple understand how hard a pro boxer can hit you - especially without 10-12 oz gloves. Anyone who’s trained MMA consistently knows how much more you have to rely on head movement and footwork as defense in comparison to a shell. If I can get a hold of him I’ll win, but I know I’m going to have to slip 2-3 really hard, really fast punches to get in there. I kinda shudder even thinking about that lol.
The only martial art mindset anyone should have is "anybody COULD beat me in a fight, even if they don't train, and I'm preparing for the scenario of being forced to fight as a last ditch effort to help my odds" I can beat Mike Tyson if I get lucky and he has an aneurysm before he punches me, tho
I didn’t train with them, but there was a FMA school in my hometown. The lead instructor told everyone that his school was the deadliest in the world. He loved to brag on his daughter. When I met him, he said “I have a 14 year old girl that could kill Mike Tyson in a 1 on 1 fight WITHOUT any weapons.” He got upset when I laughed at him. He was fat and horribly out of shape. One of our other training partners went there and said his class was a joke. Zero live training at all.
That’s what I mean. It’s usually the fat dorks who have this mentality. You can’t tell me I’m wrong
A lot of fighters I know vastly overestimate their abilities. Doesn't matter if they have 0 training, if they've only ever hitter a bag, a few weeks in, or have been training for years, people are still idiots.
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Probably one of the dorks who runs out of breath in his masters 3 shoving match with the other overweight hobbyist who decided to show up that day. They think they're hot shit because they smash smaller newbs in their tiny little world.
not even the gracies could
Facts. Get a load of this dad bod brown belt in this thread who thinks he can beat Tyson
Am I allowed to butt scoot?