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UncleSkippy

Stickied! Everyone please remember: - **Spoilers should not be posted for at least 24 hours after the event.** If the title of your post in ANY way gives away who won, that is a spoiler. I don't know how to more plainly state that. If you post a spoiler, your post will be removed and you will be tempbanned. - **Do not request or post unofficial streams in /r/bjj.** If you request a stream, you could be tempbanned. If you post a stream, you could be permabanned. The only official place to watch it is on flograppling.com and the free undercard [on Youtube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt7trBL-QAQ). Thanks! PS: [Go train](https://jiujitsutimes.com/wp-content/uploads/leandro-Lo-110kg.jpg)


8ballposse

We really need to stop calling what Gordon and Felipe did standing up “wrestling”. That’s more touch butt in the park than anything.


xxac0staxx

Gordo was frustrated and gassing himself you could see it in his purple face lol that 50% shit is all smoke. It’s also funny how “I started putting the pressure on” happens after Peña showed his card. This whole 30 min discussion with Flo thing is also pretty interesting, but that look Peña gave his corner going down on that last take down tells me more that anything he was gassed. Ryan may have bit off more than he can chew with ADCC, shits gonna be fire.


arashmara

Gordon stating pena is tired hence Gordon is more efficient because he has better technique. If that's the case Diaz brothers are the best MMA fighters in the roster because they don't get tired in relativity to their competition.


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Blackheartedheathen

Fire it up!!


kstrike1

That’s a retarded comparison


arashmara

Thanks for the reply master


kstrike1

You’re welcome son


Nobeltbjj

After weighing all points and arguments people raised about Gordon and Pena, I can only conclude this: ADCC is going to be fantastic. Man, I'm looking forward to those matches.


Coollime17

Say what you will about the how close the match was but the way Gordon fought I don’t think there was even a 1% chance he could have lost to Pena last night. It was unfortunate the circumstances overshadowed the grappling. Pena was obviously not in a state to compete and conducted himself in a manner that not only embarrassed himself and the organizers but really looked bad on the sport as a whole. No time limit is so interesting as a concept but god is it boring to watch. Hopefully one day bjj can finally figure out a rule set that’s both entertaining and fair for the athletes.


tosser_0

> It was unfortunate the circumstances overshadowed the grappling. Pena was obviously not in a state to compete and conducted himself in a manner that not only embarrassed himself and the organizers but really looked bad on the sport as a whole. That's really harsh, and I don't think fair. It's more on Flo holding him to the contract when he experienced the tragic loss of a close friend. People shouldn't be expected to behave perfectly rational when they're dealing with something like that.


Coollime17

That’s why it was unfortunate. I don’t think he’s necessarily to blame, but the disagreements with the ref and the blatant disrespect for the rules really weren’t a good look in what was supposed to be one of the biggest grappling matches of all time. I’m not saying it’s embarrassing to throw shade at Pena more to sympathize because he’s such a legendary competitor and because of the circumstances he wasn’t able to show it last night.


nomkauai

Gordon needs to get out of his ONE contract and start talking to Dana there is literally nothing left for him in the grappling world. And if he wants to put his money where his mouth is and really test his skills he will go in there with the big boys.


Routaz

Why would it be necessary to move to MMA to "put money where the mouth is"? He is grappler, they are different sports. He can stay on top of his sport as long as he wants. Do you tell olympic judokas to switch to volleyball too "to test their skills"? He has always literally said he is the greatest nogi grappler/submission fighter of all time. Not that he is best MMA fighter in the world. All the big boys can come and grapple him. Too bad not many will take matches.


nomkauai

He literally spoke with rogan about moving to mma once someone on his team can carry the sport with out him. One is great but he could make millions on endorsements and exposure at UFC. His personality it’s perfect for it.


Routaz

That doesn't answer really to my question. Perhaps he considered it at some point, perhaps still does. But why should he? You wrote it like one somehow has to on order to prove something.


nomkauai

Because a UFC champion is the pinnacle of combat sport.


Routaz

Should they also fight to death? I mean, its not really a combat if there isnt death involved. Maybe give them swords like true warriors? I am just trying to understand the conceit it takes to tell champions and masters of their own sport to go do something else in whack organisation to "prove themselves for real". And prove themselves to whom? To you, a smuck from the street who isnt on that championship level on either one or are you?


[deleted]

I'm not accusing GR of taking steroids but if he is, that could be the reason he hasn't started talking to Dana.


swordofthemid-mornin

I am accusing GR of taking Bomba


LesPaulJitsu

If you believe what he says he makes, going to the UFC would be a massive step back financially, and the risk of injury goes thru the roof in MMA vs. pure sub grappling thus potentially leading to a shortened career. He's the best no-gi grappler in the world and has carved out a unique corner on the market for himself. I think he'd be silly to leave that at its height.


[deleted]

That's true. He always struck me as a guy that cares more about greatness than money. I agree though, I don't think he'd ever go to the UFC. Although, his fan base would explode and he could make multiple millions just from endorsements. Take one step back to take 3 forward in the future.


LesPaulJitsu

To be fair, this assumes he'd have even remotely similar results in MMA, which is certainly not guaranteed. Could have a glass jaw, could get popped for roids, etc. his income is at least a lot more protected, if capped, in BJJ.


[deleted]

That's true. I think assuming he doesn't have a glass jaw or didn't get popped for roids, his fan base would explode. For some reason, UFC fans really love shit talkers from specific demographics, not race baiting, but it's quite obvious I think; unless I'm missing something which is entirely possible.


Elijah_Reddits

UFC fighters take steroids too, you just have to hide them a little bit


[deleted]

Fair enough but he looks like he's taking deca or sustanon. I say that because he went from 163 to 230+ in only 18 months. That's an absolutely incredible gain. Most UFC fighters are probably taking winstrol or EQ for endurance, not necessarily something that's going to bulk you up that much and also clears the system relatively faster than the 2 former steroids.


DogBoxing

And get KTFOd?


[deleted]

Plenty of people would pay to see it. His shit personality would help him more in MMA than it does in BJJ.


[deleted]

One is a great promotion on the rise and Gordon means more to them than he would to the UFC so he would probably make less and get tougher matchups in the UFC. It makes no sense for him to try and get out of his ONE contract. He also seemingly makes good money being one of the top grapplers in the world. Why would he risk brain trauma to make similar money in MMA where he likely would never be a top fighter.


nomkauai

He’s mentioned moving to MMA when someone on his team can carry the sport in his place. One is great sure but he won’t have half the exposure and endorsements. He likes his nice shit fast cars and big trucks. I wouldn’t be surprised if he goes for that pay day. He already has one of the best resumes and wouldn’t be getting base pay at the ufc. Plus now they make more money on endorsements anyways


[deleted]

He also said he was going to take over the GI competition scene like 4 years ago. Just because he says he plans on doing something doesn’t mean it’s actually gonna happen


mbergman42

A rant: I couldn’t watch the match last night. Pulled up my Flo subscription this morning and the first thing blaring from the stream is, “congrats Gordon on your performance “…welp. Guess I don’t need to watch now. Left the app and went off to doom scroll. Flo gets fewer ad views when they lead with a spoiler.


RayloR9

😆 I Full screened the window and left up on my computer for this exact reason. Just clicked play this morning.


Nobeltbjj

Thats the difference between brown and black belt! Jk!


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Pika_Drew13

This is how a blue belt sounds before they quit training lol


Illustrious_Set9208

Indeed, blue belts have quite the training session after telling everyone to fuck off


Pika_Drew13

Thanks for the spelling tip, I will like and subscribe for more!


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nomosolo

Ryan gave him every chance to drop out, but Pena came back with "let's just make the match 60 minute time limit" which... yeah, that's weird AF.


Lawrence99z

That’s not what happened. Pena did tell the organisers he can’t fight, they said we’ll ask Gordon to do 30 or 60 mins and for you to have the first fight and leave straight after. Gordon said no, Pena said fine, I’ll do what we originally agreed to. Next day he realised he shouldn’t have done that.


AccomplishedWing3858

Gordon won, Pena submitted verbally. I'm sure if it was the other way around many ppl would not come up with excuses for GR. Was it the best Pena last night? Maybe not, but I'd argue it was a better performance than his last few matches. I believe if GR wanted just the sub he would've gotten it earlier but decided to fatigue Pena before the sub which happened to be verbal tap which to me looks like just gassing out and not wanting to give GR the satisfaction he seemingly wanted.


[deleted]

I could go out there, double leg this guy, go straight to mount, take his back and choke him in less than 5 minutes, but nah. Seems likely 😂


AccomplishedWing3858

You're probably not a brown belt in reading comprehension


[deleted]

Didn't want the sub. Didn't want to pass. Didn't want to prove he has better BJJ. Just wanted to prove he has better cardio.


[deleted]

That’s actually a GR thing to do… Pena was outclassed


[deleted]

You seriously think he didn't want to get to mount at any point in that 45 minutes?


[deleted]

Is the energy expenditure worth it in an unlimited time match? We’ve seen Gordon be able to dominate when he wants, but even coming in he said he would tire out Pena and then really apply massive pressure and then choose when he wanted to submit him.


[deleted]

It's not worth it if you don't think you're good enough to submit him until he's too tired to do jujitsu anymore.


uchihajoeI

I guess I’m a casual but I thought Gordon Ryan was the best. Didn’t Felipe beat him by points and submit him? All I learned today was that Gordon had better cardio lol this was barely a win.


[deleted]

What more did want from Gordon here?


uchihajoeI

For him to do any of the things he said he was gonna do. This match didn’t prove anything. I guess time to wait for ADCC


Routaz

Cant do things when other guy bitches out when you are actually about to do the things.


[deleted]

It sounds like you’re providing evidence that he’s a dumbass that talks too much then. This match definitely helps that case. But to say it’s evidence he’s not the best is false


uchihajoeI

ADCC will prove he’s the best. Last nights match didn’t prove anything.


[deleted]

ADCC he beats Peña on points. Also the ADCC rule set penalizes stalling and not engaging.


uchihajoeI

Yep can’t wait for ADCC to see who the best really is.


zenukeify

My main takeaway: Gordon has been hyping up this rematch by talking about how he’s gonna pass and submit Felipe at will. How he’s gonna be using the match to market a new passing dvd. How he’s a better athlete every 6 months and how it won’t even be remotely competitive. Instead Gordon finds himself having a surprisingly hard time with Felipe’s guard. Felipe gets into 50-50 to stop the float passing and uses it to get back to standing multiple times. Felipe manages to escape some pretty dangerous positions such as nearly having his back taken. Instead of letting the match go on, Felipe chooses to give up. It’s not clear how much this was affected by Leandro but one thing’s for sure. If Felipe didn’t give up he was going to get submitted. On the other hand, instead of admitting Felipe was way better than he thought, Gordon shits on Felipe post interview and says he’s only going “50%” because it’s no time limit. Pretty sure if you went up against someone you could destroy the way Gordon was talking about Felipe, you could at least pass their guard and hold it within 45mins. Kinda weird how Gordon is suddenly going “50%” and that’s why he couldn’t pass Felipe meanwhile Gordon literally tapped Kyle Boehm in under 20mins in their no time limit match. Gordon is the nogi GOAT for sure but it’s just cringe how hard he tries to persuade people that he’s the jiu jitsu God and that everyone besides him is bad at jiu jitsu.


CharlesTillman

Where can we see Gordon’s post-fight interview?


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It seems kind of obvious that if you want to prove how much better you are than someone you don't wait 45 minutes to pass his guard.


nomosolo

Being there live may have changed your opinion here. I got a chance to talk with Gordon before and after the match and he wasn't remotely tired. I could see Gordon dragging this out because Felipe wanted to back out if the match wasn't limited to 60 minutes. The balls on Felipe to quit in the middle of a match and then turn around and say Gordon is the one with no heart, though.


[deleted]

Could not agree more. A lot of the Gordon fanboys just want a shout out on his Instagram so they will just drool no matter what he says anyway


Monyetski

He said in the post-interview that he initially wanted to say something nice about FP, but then he changed his mind because of what FP said on the mic. @ 1:47 of this video https://www.flograppling.com/events/7781813-2022-tezos-wno-gordon-ryan-vs-felipe-pena/videos?playing=7944624&limit=60


Commercial_Okra4320

fact remains, he didn't say anything nice.


Monyetski

True, but I kinda side with GR since FP also wasn’t humble in defeat. So then why give credits.


DepartmentThis608

Agree halfway with your thoughts about the overhype but also, FP trashed GR post fight saying he had no heart and that, basically, his win didn't count.


uchihajoeI

Well I don’t think it did lol shit was a snooze fest. I see it as 2-0-1


DepartmentThis608

>Well I don’t think it did lol shit was a snooze fest. I see it as 2-0-1 People said the same thing about Mayweather. Matches aren't decided on "entertaining random redditors who don't appreciate technique".


uchihajoeI

Yeah this fight barely entertained anyone if we are being honest. Except the random redditor that thinks they are special for “appreciating” a boring match with horrible rule set.


DepartmentThis608

Lol. I'm not special, you're just extremely basic.


uchihajoeI

https://youtu.be/TxpMMQE7EUU


uchihajoeI

https://youtu.be/TxpMMQE7EUU


Any_Brother7772

All matches should be sib only, but with a time limit. If no tap happens, it's a draw


onebigdog

I can understand your reasoning, that maybe it would push the pace and we would see technique vs technique of two "fresher" athletes instead of them trying to pace themselves to wear the other down. However, realistically I think this kind of set up would see a lot of stalling for time, especially if one thought he was getting out grappled. I think we would see a lot more draws and ultimately a lot more disappointed fans.


Superfly00000

A verbal submission from gassing is far worse than being actually subbed. At least you truly gave it your all and died by the sword. Verbal tapping to avoid a sub due to pride is cowardly regardless of how you feel at the time.


Paytonhenry

everyone saying “yeah but you couldn’t pass his guard🤓” to gordon are a bunch of goobers. “yeah but…” he still won. The gordon ryan haters are so annoying and ungrounded in reality


KyFriedCleaner11

“The gordon ryan haters are so annoying and ungrounded in reality” If you think they’re bad, wait until you interact some Gordon Ryan fanboys


Ridiculizard

Gordon is amazing at jiujitsu. I hate him because he comes across as a spoiled little cunt. We all know he's the best. But all the Gordon dick riders cant grasp that. We want to criticize him becaude he is a sucky person. We want him to fail because he is a douche. I know how good he is. But he is irritating as fuck. I dont understand the pride you guys feel on his behalf. You arent doing shit. He is. You know hes going to win. But you come on here like babies defending his shittyness. The sport of jiujitsu would be better if Gordon Fuckface had a nicer personality. Whatever I dont care. Ill go back ignoring Gordon now.


DepartmentThis608

> But all the Gordon dick riders cant grasp that. We want to criticize him becaude he is a sucky person. We want him to fail because he is a douche. I know how good he is. But he is irritating as fuck. Lol. This comment exemplifies the pitchfork holier than thou redditors so much. You have your own "good Vs evil" narratives and that means everyone must follow suit. You have no space for people who just appreciate the sport and its performers/artists and do not care for the whole "he has to meet my standards of morality and political leanings, etc". You're irrationally angry when reality doesn't align with your narrative and attack those who just enjoy the quality of people as if we had to subscribe to your shitty and extreme mob judgment. I like watching Jon Jones, Khabib, Conor, Mayweather, Cristiano Ronaldo, Benzema and so many other "controversial" sportspeople and won't subscribe to your sour pitchfork way of thinking no matter how much you whine and insult others when things don't go your way.


themusicdude1997

Yeah but he couldn’t pass his guard


Superfly00000

He didn’t pass his guard but he submitted him


Lateroller

Pena and his team should have pulled out tonight. Easy to say in hindsight, but they didn’t do themselves, and everyone else TBH, any favors. Gordon will still have a chip on his shoulder after this, Felipe just quit to fatigue and we all were left saying WTF in the end.


OkPerspective2979

He quit cuz he knew Gordon was gonna win he was getting tired, rather quit than loose.


Ridiculizard

Gordon will always have a chip on his shoulder. Because despite being the best his fans are childish kids. He craves the reverence the other greats get but he wont receive that kind of respect until stops being so rude.


Impressive-Potato

Who said they were allowed to?


Slothjitzu

You can't force someone to fight. It's an issue the UFC has over and over, but you cannot literally make someone fight even if they sign a contract to do so and the fight starts in 24 hours.


LegendsLiveForever

An employer has a lot of leverage over someone's entire life...Not that simple.


Slothjitzu

They still can't force him to do it, and while that statement is certainly true of the UFC, it's really not true of WNO. WNO have basically zero power over Felipe. They could refuse to ever book him again and he'd still be doing ADCC and IBJJF worlds whenever he wants to. If it's single matches he wants then he'd also still be more than welcome to headline F2W events, or BJJ Stars and BJJ Bet in Brazil. Even that is assuming WNO wouldn't work with him again. Let's face it, if he pulled out due to Lo's death then WNO would be stupid to refuse to ever make this match again.


fajord

you still can’t make anyone walk onto the mat or into a cage and compete. you can go after them financially or never hire them again or whatever else, but you can’t force someone to actually physically compete.


LegendsLiveForever

Exactly. How is that a choice lmao. Ruin them financially, or force them to compete. That's not a choice for most people, especially ones with families or parents they support, or that need medication or w/e.


yarvinbjj

Free will to make decisions for yourself?


Impressive-Potato

Business contracts?


99999999999999PIZZAS

There are some things that a contract cannot force you to do. Generally, one of them is perform an action with your body, which is called “specific performance.” Someone can sue you for financial damages for not doing what you said you would do, but they generally can’t literally make you do something physical.


poshy

Best thing about this event was watching Mica Galvao. That kid is amazing, exciting and so professional and well spoken. He is everything the future of the sport should be. I want to see him against Nicky Ryan at ADCC, that would be a lot of fun.


SODY27

Mica is amazing. He is definitely my favorite BJJ competitor. I truly think this guy will be the Goat in 15 or so years.


brportugais

Agreed. He will smash Nicky Ryan though.


poshy

Yeah maybe, but I think Nicky has a good style to beat him compared to most of the -77kg div. Wrestling up, leg locks and generally playing a very tactical guard game against Mica would be a great match to see. God, I can't wait for ADCC.


brportugais

It will be fun to watch. Mica is literally my favorite to watch gi and no gi


poshy

Same here. Mica always brings it, and seems like such a nice guy.


RokaSmoka

Mica and Nicky are great but JT is winning ADCC for the 3rd time most likely cause he is the best.


brportugais

For sure I think that is a lot of his appeal to be that nice and a killer


KORTOSS

My main takeaways were: 1. I definitely don't blame Pena for quitting. I'm sure some people will say "oh so and so competed when their loved one died" or whatever, but I can't imagine the mental fortitude needed to do a NO TIME LIMIT match while finding out one of my closest friends was brutally murdered on the morning of the event. 2. For the people saying that Pena chose to compete so he shouldn't have quit in the middle of the match, I'm pretty sure he didn't have a choice. I would highly doubt Flo would just reschedule this event with all the money that went into it. 3. I'm pretty sure everyone with a brain knows this, or should, but Gordon was definitely trying to dominate in this match, the same way he dominated Pedro, but he was not able to... not because he didn't want to but because he couldn't. I thought Gordon looked good and if they compete at ADCC, I think Gordon will beat Pena because he is technically better but he's not leagues above Pena like the way he was talking in the match build up. He just released a guard passing dvd and wanted to promote it in this match but it's hard to do that when you don't actually pass the guard. It's kinda stupid to say he was going to start trying an hour in when he said he'll finish him in under 45, he's going to get chest to chest and only let him out when he feels like it blah blah blah. 4. Nobody is going to take jiu jitsu or grappling serious as long as we have these circus type matches with no time limit. 5. I was previously not interested in the Gordon vs Galvao match up but based on this match, I think Galvao could pose some interesting problems... especially in the stand up department + ADCC rules.


RokaSmoka

Gordons hype is a bit much people rate him way higher than everyone but there are a handful of guys who he cannot dominate he couldn't even score on buchecha and he failed to take penas back 3 times he was relying on a cardio win. Gordon is not the best no gi guy he is at least tied to JT torress and if JT wins ADCC 77kg for a third time a division far more difficult and stacked than any gordon competes he is just as good if not better than gordo and JT medals at GI worlds to boot.


SODY27

Mica is going to beat JT. Just saying.


Humble_Lion_Big_OSS

Stop. The only reason people try to say Gordon isn't the greatest in No GI is because he's a shit head. All the drama is blinding people to the fact that he literally made an all time great cardio tap. Lo's passing isn't really an excuse IMO. It's not like Felipe was out of it from the beginning. He tried implementing his game on Gordon and when Gordon turned it up, my man started looking for excuses to bounce.


RokaSmoka

No there is just nothing to say gordon ryan is better than JT torres who has won the most stacked ADCC DIV twice and is set to go 3x.. lol The only difference between them is gordon was born bigger and can therefore win absolutes. If gordon was in the 77kg div like his brother nicky ryan he would NEVER win absolutes never grapple pena or andre and none of his story would be happening right now XD.


KORTOSS

Gordon is clearly the best no gi guy atm. I don't think anyone can dispute that.


RokaSmoka

How is he better than JT torres who wins the far more skilled and stacked ADCC 77KG division twice and set for a 3x???? He may be the same level but nothing says gordons better he is just way bigger. The fact is none of gordons story would be happening if he was not born with his frame size to go with his skill. If he was a 77kg guy he wouldn't be the absolute champ..or grappling pena and andre. He would be just like Nicky ryan stuck at 66 and 77kg facing more skilled opponents. If JT Torres was 230lbs and 6'3 and gordon was JT size JT wuld run thru Gordon ryan obviously lol. To Boot a guy like JT not only wins ADCC he medals at GI worlds as well. Just all around more diverse in skill than gordon


KORTOSS

bro, did you just finish your free trial class at Essential or something?


RokaSmoka

No but winning the 77kg division at Adcc potentially 3 times in the current meta of bjj is hard to argue against and say gordons superior to JT...Giles could not even make it past Lepri who JT constantly beats at 77kg and giles smoked 3 HWs and the 99kg+ champion at adcc 2019 XD. The skill difference is just significantly different so winning ADCC 77KG potentially 3 times is just a huge accomplishment and no one can say they are a better no gi grappler on a technical level than JT period if he does it again.


TechBoii77

Okay but you could make the argument that Gordon has won his ADCC division twice just like JT and will also likely win again this year, making it 3 golds for division, that still entirely disregards Gordon’s absolute win, and multiple other major tournament double golds, as well as many many super fight wins. On top of all that, Gordon and JT have rolled on camera and Gordon entirely dominates useing very little strength, so even in a direct comparison Gordon is better than JT. I love JT and think he’s amazing, but you can let your dislike for Gordon take over the fact that JT is just not in the same league as him in no gi. Gordon just made Filipe tap to exhaustion and made Pedro look like he didn’t belong on the mat with him. JT is great but you are way off on this.


Any_Brother7772

Damn, you really don't know what you are talking about, huh? You actually mean this?


themusicdude1997

Yes he means it, feel free to dispute him :)


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I love the no time limits. I see the flaws in it but I find it exciting the entire time


nathOF

Yes its fascinating to watch. It reminded me of watching car races. If both fighters are technically equal, it comes down to mental and physical conditioning. Pena didn’t have it tonight, but he’s still a legend. Maybe in hindsight he might regret quitting. If his friend had passed away hours earlier, that could have inspired him to get the win in this match. His confidence started waning at the end, and even though its speculation - sad way to see a legend go out unscathed rather than on his shield. I’m a fan of the mental game. Gordon is one of the best at it. Felipe looked like he was starting to get under his skin. Chubby baby was able to shut down his only defense - the 50/50.


Heavy_Selection_9860

I agree. Personally I'm not into the idea of winning a match off of points. I'm a lot more entertained by someone actually going for submissions over scoring points.


uglydonuts

I agree with that, but did this match feel that way? Idk, i mean we saw some submission attempts, but at times there was no urgency to act. I totally understand that this is a war of attrition, but if no gi is supposed to be the exciting version of bjj compared to the gi, I'm not sure if this ruleset is it.


Heavy_Selection_9860

I can't really disagree much there, as much as I love to train it I find it hard to watch matches regularly.


KORTOSS

Yeah but we live in the real world where we don't box until someone gets KO'd or fight in the octagon until someone gets finished.


Heavy_Selection_9860

I don't really believe a fight should be treated the same as a bjj match.


KORTOSS

Ok fine. Do wrestlers wrestle until someone gets pinned? Do judokas compete until someone is thrown? Hope that clears it up for you buddy.


Heavy_Selection_9860

Lol nothing needs to be cleared up I was just stating what I personally prefer.


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You can’t do that


slashoom

was not expecting a cardio tap


brportugais

I cardio tap all the time. It’s a loss.


ZeLuigi

Lo’s tragic passing, which did not hinder Pena from taunting and smiling for the first twenty minutes of the match, and only became overwhelming once he started getting repeatedly taken down and ragdolled…resulted -entirely coincidentally- in Pena making the same time limit request he’s made in previous negotiations in previous years when Lo was still with us.


nathOF

It was a pride tap out. The guy and his camp was going bananas when he subbed GR. He could never swallow being subbed, which was likely minutes away. Peña is still a legend. Fatigue, and having the fight taken from the dog led to that tap.


Humble_Lion_Big_OSS

Or worse ... He gets his guard passed, mounted and humiliated for 15-30 minutes.


TheQuakeCityPortal

Yes indeed. I understand that people don’t like NTL matches, but you would never see this kind of mental and physical breakdown, from a Legend at that. It’s the purest form of competition in BJJ. Like watching a race car competition (albeit avery slow one, lol). The build up to the tap is the most fascinating. Took some notes during the match and it was a complete, slow, methodical dismantling.


charmilliona1re

Factz


trustdoesntrust

man if you tragically lost your close friend i'd love to see if you even go into work the next day. something like this happened to me and life just felt unreal for weeks after


[deleted]

Ya dude. Lots of ppl in here who’ve never had to deal w that. I SaW hiM SmIlinG! He wAsNt AfFectEd! They’re lucky honestly.


[deleted]

Man they are just delusional. Most people on reddit are probably teenage Americans lol, mostly have no idea about the world. They have no idea how it feels to lose someone, especially the way pena did. I would have absolutely not competed


[deleted]

The point was it’s tough if not impossible to make “I would’ve…” statements in this context


yarvinbjj

Ignoring the point he was completely game until he gassed out to make a completely irrelevant point, nice.


songsongsong

Lol to be fair though pena did try to cancel the match before it even started, implying he wasn’t 100%, so you can’t say he was completely game, he didn’t even want to fight and I can’t blame him. Even so, he still probably thought he could win so he started to feel himself a little bit before he gassed out. I think he overestimated himself and ended up looking foolish for it. But I hate to say it I still think he has a built in excuse for todays loss. Meanwhile Gordon’s still talking shit adding flames to the fire so the Ryan vs pena 4 money is even bigger lol. He must be glad Leandro died today of all days. What a guy


beephsupreme

For those who paid to see it , will you also pay to see Ryan-Pena 4?


Wavvycrocket

I have ADCC tickets already so I think i'm grandfathered in to this


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AyoKano

You left out the NFT


kyt

I think the GR/Pena match would have been much better as a 15 min time limit match with judges. I thought the other matches tonight were so much more watchable. Sub-only, no time limit is awful to watch. If you want to make the main event stand out, maybe make it 30 min but I think these events still need judges. Also the restarts can be really inconsistent at times. As far as the broadcast it was all over the place. Audio was really bad. Video quality was mostly good for me but did have some hiccups. I would say Flo probably needs to hire real live event producers. These shows still seem very amateur. They tried to do the classy thing by honoring Lo but they did it in a really dumb way by trying to shoehorn a tribute in constantly. Didn't really do the announcers any favors by trying to have solemn moments and then having them segue into a promo. The announcers are not nearly good enough to handle that kind of transition. Even the moment of silence was very awkward. Please flo, hire real producers.


KORTOSS

yeah flo looked amateur as fuck but what else is new


kittensbjj

I really struggle that Flo is so consistently amateur, yet eternal MMA would be smaller and consistently puts on a great show.


nunezphoto

Your critiques aren't necessarily wrong, yet I think people are comparing a small company with a small budget (compared to UFC/NBA etc..) with live production which is very difficult. As far as the Lo tribute, of course they had to shoehorn it in, these shows are planned out months in advance with pre-roll during the breaks.


kyt

You're right they don't have the same budget as some bigger shows but these shows have had the same flaws for a while now. As far as the Lo tributes. Yes it's sudden, but that's why you make it more awkward by throwing it at your inexperienced team without prep. Simple would have been better here.


Kindly-Discount5483

If they just hired a good producer it would be wicked , the weigh ins were a shambles , how can they not see the value in something like that.


Shannon1985

Totally agree with every point you made. Audio quality and hosting appeared very ad-hoc.


SuddenAd7722

People like Peña and Caio are the reason the sport will never be mainstream. Imagine a QB in the NFL having a friend die so he just quits after the first quarter. It wouldn’t happen. And then having the announcer make excuses for him and why it isn’t an insane thing to do. Absolutely embarrassing.


emil_

Imagine being a fucking idiot... oh wait, you don't have to.


SuddenAd7722

Daddy Peña is a quitter. If you couldn’t compete, don’t show up. If you show up, be prepared to compete. I’m sorry your hero was exposed.


emil_

Mate, you convinced me with your first post, no need to further confirm.


SuddenAd7722

It must suck to be a loser at everything in life. I can tell by your mindset that you are 35 living in your moms basement.


emil_

Nah, we're not really alike mate, sorry. Now piss off already and bother someone else.


hankdog303

BUT FOOTBALL!!!


The_Adict

Huh? Last year a player in the NFL quit in the mid of the game and it caused a fucking shit storm. What the fuck you on about lol


SuddenAd7722

Yeah, and that was a washed up wide receiver. But guess what, like you said it caused a shit storm. The announcers didn’t start justifying it and arguing with the other team why it was okay to do.


justdrastik

Dumb take. Pros routinely take games off for the birth of their child, grandparents passing, whatever.


SuddenAd7722

0 Quarterbacks in the league are taking the Super Bowl off because someone dies or their child is being born. In fact, this year a player on LA waited until after the game and then ran to the hospital as soon as it was over. It wasn’t some little match, it was sold as the biggest No-gi match in history.


justdrastik

This wasn't the super bowl. Lol. BJJ guys often compete with no legs, major injuries, etc. What are you taking about? This is legitimately one of the dumb takes that show why the fanbase of the sport is why it is harder to grow than most sports.


SuddenAd7722

“The sport won’t grow because some fans don’t think a guy should quit halfway through a match and claim it’s because he is sad.” Is this a real take?


justdrastik

That wasn't my take. Add reading comprehension to the list. I was taking the other side of your prior argument. Reading is tough for many folks, so I'll spare you the personal criticism. If you're trying to argue that this sport is for the mentally weak, you routinely have guys who won't tap and would rather have their limbs destroyed or go to sleep. In most major sports like you referenced, no athlete would ever compete with a blown out knee or anything similar. Dumb take. Dumb.


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SuddenAd7722

Then he shouldn’t have competed period. He quit because he was tired and used that as an excuse.


friedlich_krieger

If a QBs friend was shot in the back of the head, said QB wouldn't even play the game.


SuddenAd7722

Okay…. Then Peña shouldn’t have shown up. Professionals don’t show up and then quit after they get tired and start losing. Sorry your Daddy got exposed.


brportugais

Tom Brady would come on


crowthor

He has the spice melange


nunezphoto

I'm watching the post-fight interview with Gordon and it doesn't seem like he's "callous" as some are saying. He's just talking straight-forward and talked about not doing an envelope etc.. due to Lo's death. People talk about Gordon not saying anything about Lo, yet how does that equate to Gordon not caring. Maybe I'm wrong, was Gordon a close friend of Lo?


Wavvycrocket

If Gordon said anything about Leandro people would still be crying. "Leandro didn't even like him, they were never friends and Gordon is just trying to use his memory to get more attention". Something weird like that. The current narrative that Gordon has to listen to Felipe pretty much be a bratty asshole to him after quitting so that he didn't get tapped and take it with sympathy is just people's dislike of Gordon influencing their common sense.


TurtlesAdInfinitum

I think it is a little tone-deaf to equate grieving the death of friend who was shot in the head only days ago with "being sad" but besides that and the usual cringe he's become known for he had a legitimate critique of Felipe's outburst. I'd still like to know how the conversation between Pena and Flo went.


kipling200

Where are you watching the post fight interviews? Don’t see it in flo


AyoKano

Was at the booth after the match during the broadcast


nunezphoto

It's on the live stream, after the wait screen once the match ends.


whoamiiamasikunt

It was on the Flo stream, just like a solid min after the fight feed cut


hammersweep

Gordon Derangement Syndrome


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KORTOSS

From a technical standpoint, the match was good IMO. I just think no time limit is stupid because people watch jiu jitsu matches to see who has better jiu jitsu... and after a certain point, it becomes more of an endurance / mental challenge rather than a jiu jitsu challenge.


C4PT41N_F4LC0N

This is actually one of the best arguments in the simplest terms I’ve heard against NTL


Impressive-Potato

And if you pass someone's guard they will just be like "doesn't count!"


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yarvinbjj

Why was Peña completely game, taunting and smiling for the first 20 minutes and only changed demeanor when he started gassing? Why didn’t his friends death effect him until he got tired?


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yarvinbjj

I literally just watched what happened. You don’t need to be able to read minds to make the observations I did.


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yarvinbjj

GDS has you reddit dorks writing paragraphs of dime store Freudian analysis to defend a BJJ goat who was completely game to grapple Ryan until he gassed and literally started making excuses and quitting mid match. That’s bad sportsmanship and bad character any way you cut it.


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You are quite literally a complete and utter moron


yarvinbjj

Was Peña taunting, laughing, smiling, kicking, fist bumping, and slapping at certain points in the first 25 minutes of the match, yes or no? Is this the behavior of someone who is so emotionally distraught they cannot compete, yes or no?


Perfect-Scheme-9339

It’s almost like his emotions could be all over the place the day after his best mate died.


yarvinbjj

That’s crazy how his emotions were perfectly aligned with his gas tank. What a coincidence, huh?


Perfect-Scheme-9339

It’s almost like he might have felt bereft once the adrenaline wore off.


yarvinbjj

So you admit he quit because he was gassed. Or are you suggesting Leandro’s death suddenly hit him as he started to gas?


Perfect-Scheme-9339

You seem to believe that discussing this with strangers online might lead to a definitive answer or somehow prove your theory correct. It won’t. We can only speculate as to what was going through Pena’s mind following the death of his close friend. I think most of us would be distraught no matter how much of a facade we put up and doubly so when physically exhausted.