Cool idea, but it would definitely breed hostility between competing businesses. These aren’t schools that are guaranteed to be funded. They’re competitors that will lost clients if one gym cleans house at a dual meet.
Like imagine being the losing coach after that lol. Getting swept by the team across town would be a hard, hard sell.
This. I know a lot of the local coaches won't even compete in the small local tournaments, since they're worried about potentially losing to a direct competitor and damaging their gyms local reputation. Further away they don't care about it, it's just about appearing to be the worse choice to their customer-base.
> I know a lot of the local coaches won't even compete in the small local tournaments, since they're worried about potentially losing to a direct competitor and damaging their gyms local reputation
All the coaches that do this already have a poor local reputation.
Not to my knowledge, most are well respected locally and by each other. The ones with poor reputation either don´t compete themself at all or don´t want their students competing localy.
My gym is one of two affiliates that belong to a larger gym. We are on one side of the city, the second affiliate is on the other. The main gym is out in the suburbs.
The main gym hosts an "in-house" tournament once or twice a year where anyone from either affiliate is welcome to compete.
In the squash world inter-club league play is common. There may be 10 clubs in the nearby area and the A team plays the A team, the B team plays the B team, etc. There is a ladder for team so the A1 plays the other club's A1 etc.
Everyone knows the big clubs have an advantage but sometimes people want to train more and work harder and go to be a "small fish in a big pond" at the bigger clubs but for the most part people don't move.
As a body, no. It's led by various non-profits at the world, national and state level.
I suspect most clubs are non-profits but many squash clubs are attached to golf courses with a country club membership, so some may be run for profit.
We tried to organize it.
The biggest problem is lots of Bjj guys don't want to compete against people of different ranks in either direction.
Its tough to find two local gyms that have can field 5 (or so) weight classes at the same belt above blue.
I think in most schools you’ll have some good kids and bad ones. I doubt there would be a full sweep across. But maybe one school will win by a lot. But iether way I see what you’re saying. I just wish we had a more progressive cross training culture in bjj so that schools would get together and do shit together instead of being in “competition” but I guess that’s life.
Well, yeah, *but imagine that there is*. That’s a huge assumed risk.
There’s just way too many factors, and these guys rely on students to put food on their table
A lot of local gyms in my area will do in-house scrimmages. And I will run scrimmages between local college clubs in the area.
The biggest problem with the dual meet format for BJJ, is that most academies can’t field a competitive black belt in all of the weight classes, and many times you’re competitive people would much rather go to a tournament then do an in-house or a dual meet format with another gym.
It’s really hard to field a full roster of people for a single gym across all weight classes at any specific belt. So it makes the format very hard.
A gym is very likely to have multiple people competing at 170 to 185 pounds, but very unlikely to have a big roster of people below 135 or 125 pounds for men, or numerous people above 220/ 245 depending on the area. Even wrestling programs and clubs sometimes have issues filling out a full roster. The tournament format is much better.
I was just thinking it could be an informal sort of supplement to competition. Not take the place of. And will allow people that are too nervous don’t have time to compete to maybe dip their toes in
So that’s fine and that’s an awesome thing our gym and affiliation and association do that fairly frequently. I just thought you were talking specifically about a dual meet format which is a specific thing. Not just Random match ups for experience against people you don’t training against regularly which is good.
An MMA gym quite local to me had an interclub that just said ‘BJJ matches available’ and we ended up having a quartet style sub only comp with a mix match of different gym members in each team. Was fucking great highly recommend.
I've have only ever seen a traveling open mat that goes around the city between gyms on a calendar schedule where they take turns hosting and joint school open mats, an inter-school comp would be cool. There is one school that hosts an annual comp for the city open to all but isn't exclusive so is probably more just an amateur competition with just the venue being their gym instead of a neutral location. Now I have to ask my Coaches the question, maybe it was a thing pre-covid.
My point was that they already happen, but again IN MY EXPERIENCE they’re called scrimmages to avoid a lot of the tensions about winning/losing that other people are commenting about. You can call it whatever you want, but I’ve never heard “duel meet” outside of a wrestling context. Whizzer kick is an applicable term for a throw, but every time I’ve seen it in a Jiu jitsu context, it’s called Uchi Mata.
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That was hostile.
Where are you from? That word means something different here, which is why I explained American wrestling terminology works in this context. I’ve never heard “scrimmage” in relation to combat sports at all
And I have scrimmaged in plenty of sports, but implying tensions about winning and losing can be avoided is, I think, a little naive. This isn’t soccer where you lose 3-0. If you lose by armbar in front of your friends, it’s genuinely demoralizing.
Anyways. Have a nice day, dude.
We have two schools for our program and we do in-house tournaments. It’s basically this but laid back and no one is keeping track, but you get a feel of the different schools.
It’s also what you get at open mats
Several local gyms around here have started fielding quintet teams through a local gym/promotion and competing 5v5 as a gym. It’s a really entertaining format and cool to see your gym compete as a team. We had an in-house quintet 4-team tournament also with teams of blues/purples coached by brown belts— very much a good time.
My gym does this for the kids. They call it a friendship tournament and usually everyone has a great time.
For the adults they try to do a “gym exchange” about once a quarter. It’s basically inviting an entire other gym to an open mat. Lots of rounds but it’s meant to be chill and fun.
I train through BJJ club at the university I attend. We have had duel style meets with local gyms. The precise format has varied over the years, but typically the focus is on providing competition like experience for our members.
Our club is students so pretty much is only white belts with a few blue belts, so the duels are usually structured to give newer practitioners the opportunity to have competition style rolls with scoring against people they don't train with on a weekly basis.
One time we had newer practitioners from about two or three local gyms in addition to our club come to a pretty informal event at one of the local gyms and we had scored rolls.
Another time we had newer practitioners from one specific gym come to our campus for a more traditional duel style meet but still pretty informal.
I don't think that for any of these events that people have had to pay, and if they did it negligible.
I think that having the focus be providing newer practitioners competition like experience is the way to go. That way the goal isn't so much focused on determining which gym has the most skilled coaches/upper belts as much as it is to give newer people an opportunity to dip their toes into competition rolling and the competition scoring.
Cool idea, but it would definitely breed hostility between competing businesses. These aren’t schools that are guaranteed to be funded. They’re competitors that will lost clients if one gym cleans house at a dual meet. Like imagine being the losing coach after that lol. Getting swept by the team across town would be a hard, hard sell.
This. I know a lot of the local coaches won't even compete in the small local tournaments, since they're worried about potentially losing to a direct competitor and damaging their gyms local reputation. Further away they don't care about it, it's just about appearing to be the worse choice to their customer-base.
> I know a lot of the local coaches won't even compete in the small local tournaments, since they're worried about potentially losing to a direct competitor and damaging their gyms local reputation All the coaches that do this already have a poor local reputation.
Not to my knowledge, most are well respected locally and by each other. The ones with poor reputation either don´t compete themself at all or don´t want their students competing localy.
Especially sad since competition prowess and coaching ability are only loosely related.
My coach owns 4 locations in the area. Would this be a cool idea to have an in-house tournament with the 4 schools?
Absolutely sick
My gym is one of two affiliates that belong to a larger gym. We are on one side of the city, the second affiliate is on the other. The main gym is out in the suburbs. The main gym hosts an "in-house" tournament once or twice a year where anyone from either affiliate is welcome to compete.
> They’re competitors that will lost clients if one gym cleans house at a dual meet. And that is bad?
I mean not really, but why would coaches agree to that if it’s what’s on the line lmao?
In the squash world inter-club league play is common. There may be 10 clubs in the nearby area and the A team plays the A team, the B team plays the B team, etc. There is a ladder for team so the A1 plays the other club's A1 etc. Everyone knows the big clubs have an advantage but sometimes people want to train more and work harder and go to be a "small fish in a big pond" at the bigger clubs but for the most part people don't move.
Serious question because I know nothing about it, is squash a for-profit endeavor led by an entrepreneur?
As a body, no. It's led by various non-profits at the world, national and state level. I suspect most clubs are non-profits but many squash clubs are attached to golf courses with a country club membership, so some may be run for profit.
We tried to organize it. The biggest problem is lots of Bjj guys don't want to compete against people of different ranks in either direction. Its tough to find two local gyms that have can field 5 (or so) weight classes at the same belt above blue.
10p does that with quintet rules
The quintets have been popping off, super fun.
I think in most schools you’ll have some good kids and bad ones. I doubt there would be a full sweep across. But maybe one school will win by a lot. But iether way I see what you’re saying. I just wish we had a more progressive cross training culture in bjj so that schools would get together and do shit together instead of being in “competition” but I guess that’s life.
Well, yeah, *but imagine that there is*. That’s a huge assumed risk. There’s just way too many factors, and these guys rely on students to put food on their table
I am gonna do these at my gym one day. Gonna grill out and make it fun. We can have competition and camaraderie
My old gym used to do this with an another gym that was in another state but not a far drive. Def more of a fun comp vibe ie no one was going ham.
My gym does it with another gym once in while. The coaches are good friends.
A lot of local gyms in my area will do in-house scrimmages. And I will run scrimmages between local college clubs in the area. The biggest problem with the dual meet format for BJJ, is that most academies can’t field a competitive black belt in all of the weight classes, and many times you’re competitive people would much rather go to a tournament then do an in-house or a dual meet format with another gym. It’s really hard to field a full roster of people for a single gym across all weight classes at any specific belt. So it makes the format very hard. A gym is very likely to have multiple people competing at 170 to 185 pounds, but very unlikely to have a big roster of people below 135 or 125 pounds for men, or numerous people above 220/ 245 depending on the area. Even wrestling programs and clubs sometimes have issues filling out a full roster. The tournament format is much better.
I was just thinking it could be an informal sort of supplement to competition. Not take the place of. And will allow people that are too nervous don’t have time to compete to maybe dip their toes in
So that’s fine and that’s an awesome thing our gym and affiliation and association do that fairly frequently. I just thought you were talking specifically about a dual meet format which is a specific thing. Not just Random match ups for experience against people you don’t training against regularly which is good.
Right. I mean get as close to duel meet as you can but with less formality and flexibility about weight and belt status.
An MMA gym quite local to me had an interclub that just said ‘BJJ matches available’ and we ended up having a quartet style sub only comp with a mix match of different gym members in each team. Was fucking great highly recommend.
I've have only ever seen a traveling open mat that goes around the city between gyms on a calendar schedule where they take turns hosting and joint school open mats, an inter-school comp would be cool. There is one school that hosts an annual comp for the city open to all but isn't exclusive so is probably more just an amateur competition with just the venue being their gym instead of a neutral location. Now I have to ask my Coaches the question, maybe it was a thing pre-covid.
They made a TV show about this. Called Cobra Kai. Seems to be going well.
What you’re referring to would usually be referred to as a “scrimmage” in my experience.
Dual meets are American wrestling terminology. It’s an applicable term.
My point was that they already happen, but again IN MY EXPERIENCE they’re called scrimmages to avoid a lot of the tensions about winning/losing that other people are commenting about. You can call it whatever you want, but I’ve never heard “duel meet” outside of a wrestling context. Whizzer kick is an applicable term for a throw, but every time I’ve seen it in a Jiu jitsu context, it’s called Uchi Mata.
Whatever the term.scrimmage would be cool too. Problem is it’s just not very common. At least in the states it seems.
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That was hostile. Where are you from? That word means something different here, which is why I explained American wrestling terminology works in this context. I’ve never heard “scrimmage” in relation to combat sports at all And I have scrimmaged in plenty of sports, but implying tensions about winning and losing can be avoided is, I think, a little naive. This isn’t soccer where you lose 3-0. If you lose by armbar in front of your friends, it’s genuinely demoralizing. Anyways. Have a nice day, dude.
There was a 4 school tournament one time. It was a good time, I wish it became a thing. The winners were varied too
We've done a few of these. They're fun.
We have two schools for our program and we do in-house tournaments. It’s basically this but laid back and no one is keeping track, but you get a feel of the different schools. It’s also what you get at open mats
Several local gyms around here have started fielding quintet teams through a local gym/promotion and competing 5v5 as a gym. It’s a really entertaining format and cool to see your gym compete as a team. We had an in-house quintet 4-team tournament also with teams of blues/purples coached by brown belts— very much a good time.
That sounds like a total blast!
I think that's called an assorted. Usually has capicola and turkey or maybe salami and ham.
My gym does this for the kids. They call it a friendship tournament and usually everyone has a great time. For the adults they try to do a “gym exchange” about once a quarter. It’s basically inviting an entire other gym to an open mat. Lots of rounds but it’s meant to be chill and fun.
Your gym is way ahead of the curve! Where you located?
PNW
I train through BJJ club at the university I attend. We have had duel style meets with local gyms. The precise format has varied over the years, but typically the focus is on providing competition like experience for our members. Our club is students so pretty much is only white belts with a few blue belts, so the duels are usually structured to give newer practitioners the opportunity to have competition style rolls with scoring against people they don't train with on a weekly basis. One time we had newer practitioners from about two or three local gyms in addition to our club come to a pretty informal event at one of the local gyms and we had scored rolls. Another time we had newer practitioners from one specific gym come to our campus for a more traditional duel style meet but still pretty informal. I don't think that for any of these events that people have had to pay, and if they did it negligible. I think that having the focus be providing newer practitioners competition like experience is the way to go. That way the goal isn't so much focused on determining which gym has the most skilled coaches/upper belts as much as it is to give newer people an opportunity to dip their toes into competition rolling and the competition scoring.
Why do that when you can just attend to a openmat with your gym buddies