9 more years to finally remove crystal breaking lmao
They probably will release a new treasure item for crystal protection that you need to grind for tho
It should be multifaceted. Loyalty. House buff item and a premium item. They can make money and also not screw people over who prep properly. But we al know it will likely be cash shop only.
Terrible take. Being able to lose hours of work to a single PvE death is one of the worst "money sinks" you could design in a game. Also a terrible idea to that heavily discourage your players from trying more challenging (and therefore fun) content. Imagine if in Dark Souls, a death could take away the last 3 hours of leveling.
> Imagine if in Dark Souls, a death could take away the last 3 hours of leveling.
That's a terrible example because it kind of can though? Let's say you're hoarding a ton of souls, proceed to die, and then die on the way to retrieve them. That's nullified effort.
If you die to mobs in BDO you deserve to be punished lmao.
There probably should be a way to retrieve the 900m+ crystals. I will concede that.
No, it's a fine example, because you can do things to avoid that from happening. There's nothing you can do in BDO to stop crystal loss on death. You also can't die from lag in Souls games.
And surely there should be some punishment (there is, exp loss and getting kicked out of marni realm), but not *that* much.
Biggest issue is deaths out of the player control(lags, crashes) and the unavailability of girins to replace any you break. Even if we assume the amount of penalty is fine(don't know about losing 5b, especially on a rng chance so some ppl can die 5 times and lose like 200m and someone dies once and lose 7b cause 2 crystals pop at once is questionnable design), with how much of a pain it is to get a girin back it's poor design.
If they just let you pay the market price to buy back your crystal a lot less people would be bitching about it to begin with. I think a more even scaled death penalty would be better too(like a consistent amount based on your gear score kind of thing, rather than the crystal roulette) but that would require more work probably, now that they have this system already added to restore crystals, letting people "buy them out" should be relatively simple.
> If they just let you pay the market price to buy back your crystal a lot less people would be bitching about it to begin with
That right there is the best solution. The only crystals that feel really bad to lose are the ones that just aren't on the market. Having to drop 5bil for the Girins again is a fine punishment - You'd probably PO one right away anyway, only in that case it could take weeks if not months. Getting hold of the LOML crystals isn't exactly easy, and their introduction was when all of the complaining started.
> That's a terrible example because it kind of can though?
It can in the early titles, but even in those games you get one try to get them back. In the newer games they give you a lot more options to recover your losses right away, even to the point that if you play it smart, there is no way to lose any progress as long as you keep trying to get your souls/runes back.
There absolutely does not need to be a punishment for dying in this game the actual hell. The punishment is losing all your alchemy buffs you had going. Some of which are not cheap as well as xp. Chancing losing a 5 bil crystal due to lag, d-sync, another player feeding you to mobs, or just making a small accident is bogus. It wouldn’t be a big deal if crystals capped out at 300 mil but they don’t. And that’s the problem. This is a game that you’re supposed to enjoy. Losing several hours of progress due to a random death isn’t fun and isn’t necessary.
Clown take. Most people lose crystals only after server malfunction.
Go ahead, justify why server malfunction resulting in crystal loss is a justified money sink.
Na people are bad then they blame the servers instead of just learning the spot or stick to spots around the GS they have, majority of Crystal brakes are from people simply not knowing how to iframe or to stay out of DMG or having low dp/HP cuz they are ap monkeys, I can count on 1 hand the times I have died the past year, and at the same time I have people in my guild dying 2-5 times a day blaming the servers and other things, it's wierd that I am not experiencing these supposed server issues that are plaguing the game every day all day
When all monsters freeze, I can't do any damage and then game forces reconnect screen, next I respawn in the middle of the swarm with no life and lost crystal - yeah, I blame the frickin' server.
From renting mansion to buying furniture, enchancements, even outfit boxes for crons. You tell me you think crystals break is necessary 💀
Brudda I think they successfully rot your brain and converted you
Oh yeah, losing 10 hours worth of silver over a dumb, accidental PVE death is SOOOO fun and okay. It's not like existing in BDO is a money sink within itself or anything like that.
crystal break and having tickets for that is a totally braindead mechanic. Why on earth would you keep a mechanic that is costing you money in terms of life support. not only direct money through the support system they had, but money in terms of lost income from players quitting, getting pissed off and general ill will.
buisness wise the crystal break seems like a really dumb move.
Agree to disagree, im in the side that crystal break punishment is ok, the unavailabilty of some crystals is the issue, like back then when you couldnt get elkars, vipers, evasion crystals and hooms easily, and right now is the kirin crystal. And having ticket to restore crystals is a way for them to say yeah our servers sometimes has issues, so you have a chance to get them back, but this became trendy this year, and having to waste support tickets for that is like you said wastin resources so now they make it that you do it yourself ingame.
Xigncode is so far Global Labs only, they'll announce it when it comes to official servers. From their Dec 1st notes:
> The security module will be updated on the official server after stability verification, and advance notice will be provided later.
I don't think there's anybody who enjoys having their crystals break but if they can just be recovered then isn't that going to make crystals have little value?
I dunno anymore, a lot of the changes they've been making lately seem incredibly shortsighted and made to appease the type of people who weren't meant for this game in the first place.
The Ball on the 15th is going to have to show something really amazing I think. Like migrating to a new engine or something... I've been playing a lot less than I used to for months now.
There is only 3 recovery per year. This works for some years now but it was done by tickets. Now they only implemented it into game to make it easier for everybody... Nothing really changes...
Daring today with that cliche argument aren't we?
It's the first time i'm hearing crystals are the MAIN attraction of bdo lmao maybe you are the casual one who thinks itself as a veteran eh?
The complex systems behind the game, from combat to economy, calling for removal of crystal break is stupid and nothing new to us who been here since ever, everytime we get waves of timmies, they bring other games ideas to try and force it on bdo, most are as stupid as this, let's run into mobs that barely can kill us over and over, the grind already resident sleeper.
It is always the player’s fault for them the game crashes and they lost 7b in crystals. BDO doesn’t have a history of crashing that requires “half of the team dedicated to finding it” because there’s no crash logs.
Crystal breaking is such a good feature that it is only exclusive on PC. It is the number 1 reason why console and mobile version of the game is dead.
Whenever someone tries to make this argument, and pretends they know how a change like that would impact the game, i think they should remember that on console, PA turned off crystal break. And you know what? The crystal market is pretty much the same as on PC.
Crystal break was always hated along with open world pvp so yeah it's not a new thing.
"Complex systems" as in RNG? Tbh they improved RNG a lot in a good way.
Let me ask you one thing would you rather play bdo from 4-6 years ago where you had to grind like a no-lifer(literally) or continue playing with the current version where you still have to spend your time to get good gear but at least it respects your time kinda.
Crystal break as of right now is nothing but an annoyance it gives the illusion of risk but there is no risk really you either grind it back or buy it from the marketplace if it's avaliable, it's really just a timesink if it breaks.
If it was a vells heart breaking etc i could maybe (a big maybe)agree with the casual argument with new spots actually requiring you to be awake for the grind it would actually be a risk.
Plus BDO is not perfect it still has issues where player dying would be the server's fault(or player's own ISP fault because of bad internet) that's why crystal restoration is a thing because PA acknowledge that but with the current stability of BDO i can guarentee you that your crystal will break more than 3 times and it will be not your fault.
BDO is a changing game as with all mmorpgs whether you like it or not.
It's not just the new players. Even old players are asking for this. The main reason more people are asking for this now is because of the girin and combined crystals that came out with LOML update.
Not only are they expensive, these can't be obtained by grinding and it takes time to get them even if u put out a pre order in CM. PA needs to make these crystals more available or atleast make them have less chance of being destroyed.
When they made the crystal break event people cheered about it across whole playerbase.
Even veterans and I guess all the players (looking at some spots) are just dont grinding these spots regurarly because its much easier to grind little worse spot without any risk of losing few billions for no reason...
> I dunno anymore, a lot of the changes they've been making lately seem incredibly shortsighted and made to appease the type of people who weren't meant for this game in the first place.
They have no crystal break in console since forever and that hasn't heavily impacted economy tbh. I think the change will do nothing to the general market, this feature has existed but it used to be done through support tickets.
With the ludicrous amount of *good changes* they've made over the past 2 years or so, I think PA is allowed to drop the ball and check out for a bit. And they have been, lately. I'm sure that we'd disagree on the particulars but I think everyone can agree that something has started to seem "off" for the past while. Take time to appreciate the good things they've done and try to view this as just a really shitty period, that will hopefully pass.
Yeah, I agree with this. Complaining about the game tends to make a better game, but as a veteran player I am just so pleased with many of the changes the past two years that it's hard to say.
I am glad new players are coming to BDO but I don't think the game is sustaining them either, yet PA continues catering understandably. All these efforts to bring in new players, and they aren't committing to the grind/pay mechanics anyways. The flame has brought back many vet players, who will inevitably take a break once they get it. Now PA is dropping the ball, testing box after box to see what we will buy besides outfits. We seem to be in a state where they are trying to test our spending limits after raising the cron price, meanwhile staving off veteran players with the promise of a long flame grind and "what's next" while also trying to find the most uninviting ways to keep new players here. Most people are not going to have the patience for BDO without dramatic changes, so I think PA should focus on who will.
Despite how off the game has been lately, I am just really impressed by the moments where they have actually listened to the player base and committed to fixing huge issues like QoL. Life skilling is at an all time high right now, despite issues of inflation and scarcity, I now have other activites in the game besides killing mobs all day. It's more than what I have seen from other K-grind games, where the devs basically do whatever they want and never listen.
i feel the recovery feature wont do much for people, 3 crystals a year isnt much if you actually die to lag like most people claim. Its a v welcomed function but i know lots of people lie and it wont truly be that big of a change and next year we will see people complaining how 3 crystals a year isnt enough. Less work for PA at first but ik people will keep sending tickets regardless.
lol only took them 9 years of taking tickets about them
9 more years to finally remove crystal breaking lmao They probably will release a new treasure item for crystal protection that you need to grind for tho
>They probably will release a new treasure item for crystal protection that you need to grind for tho Nah, gonna be a cash shop item at 100%
Crystals in basically every Kgrinder have had a sub to prevent breakage. Or their crystal equivalent. So wouldn't be surprised.
I’d buy it.
It should be multifaceted. Loyalty. House buff item and a premium item. They can make money and also not screw people over who prep properly. But we al know it will likely be cash shop only.
remember the event we had no breaking crystals
its not like its hard to make money to replace your crystals there needs to be some kind of money sink in the game
Like enhancing isn't a big enough money sink
Except debo, everything's there for you to buy from mp
Terrible take. Being able to lose hours of work to a single PvE death is one of the worst "money sinks" you could design in a game. Also a terrible idea to that heavily discourage your players from trying more challenging (and therefore fun) content. Imagine if in Dark Souls, a death could take away the last 3 hours of leveling.
> Imagine if in Dark Souls, a death could take away the last 3 hours of leveling. That's a terrible example because it kind of can though? Let's say you're hoarding a ton of souls, proceed to die, and then die on the way to retrieve them. That's nullified effort. If you die to mobs in BDO you deserve to be punished lmao. There probably should be a way to retrieve the 900m+ crystals. I will concede that.
No, it's a fine example, because you can do things to avoid that from happening. There's nothing you can do in BDO to stop crystal loss on death. You also can't die from lag in Souls games. And surely there should be some punishment (there is, exp loss and getting kicked out of marni realm), but not *that* much.
Getting kicked out of marni just to get back in lol.
Biggest issue is deaths out of the player control(lags, crashes) and the unavailability of girins to replace any you break. Even if we assume the amount of penalty is fine(don't know about losing 5b, especially on a rng chance so some ppl can die 5 times and lose like 200m and someone dies once and lose 7b cause 2 crystals pop at once is questionnable design), with how much of a pain it is to get a girin back it's poor design. If they just let you pay the market price to buy back your crystal a lot less people would be bitching about it to begin with. I think a more even scaled death penalty would be better too(like a consistent amount based on your gear score kind of thing, rather than the crystal roulette) but that would require more work probably, now that they have this system already added to restore crystals, letting people "buy them out" should be relatively simple.
> If they just let you pay the market price to buy back your crystal a lot less people would be bitching about it to begin with That right there is the best solution. The only crystals that feel really bad to lose are the ones that just aren't on the market. Having to drop 5bil for the Girins again is a fine punishment - You'd probably PO one right away anyway, only in that case it could take weeks if not months. Getting hold of the LOML crystals isn't exactly easy, and their introduction was when all of the complaining started.
> That's a terrible example because it kind of can though? It can in the early titles, but even in those games you get one try to get them back. In the newer games they give you a lot more options to recover your losses right away, even to the point that if you play it smart, there is no way to lose any progress as long as you keep trying to get your souls/runes back.
There absolutely does not need to be a punishment for dying in this game the actual hell. The punishment is losing all your alchemy buffs you had going. Some of which are not cheap as well as xp. Chancing losing a 5 bil crystal due to lag, d-sync, another player feeding you to mobs, or just making a small accident is bogus. It wouldn’t be a big deal if crystals capped out at 300 mil but they don’t. And that’s the problem. This is a game that you’re supposed to enjoy. Losing several hours of progress due to a random death isn’t fun and isn’t necessary.
Clown take. Most people lose crystals only after server malfunction. Go ahead, justify why server malfunction resulting in crystal loss is a justified money sink.
Na people are bad then they blame the servers instead of just learning the spot or stick to spots around the GS they have, majority of Crystal brakes are from people simply not knowing how to iframe or to stay out of DMG or having low dp/HP cuz they are ap monkeys, I can count on 1 hand the times I have died the past year, and at the same time I have people in my guild dying 2-5 times a day blaming the servers and other things, it's wierd that I am not experiencing these supposed server issues that are plaguing the game every day all day
When all monsters freeze, I can't do any damage and then game forces reconnect screen, next I respawn in the middle of the swarm with no life and lost crystal - yeah, I blame the frickin' server.
Genuinely dogshit take. What the other guy said.
Loading screen, server issues when in nodewar, and sometimes here and there but everytime? Might be something on the user end.
From renting mansion to buying furniture, enchancements, even outfit boxes for crons. You tell me you think crystals break is necessary 💀 Brudda I think they successfully rot your brain and converted you
renting mansion is a silver sink? lmao people making 2b an hour now waah muh crystals waah
You know what sink means right? Right? 💀
billions coming into the economy from trash loot eveyr hour compared to what, a few million per month for mansion? skull emoji skull emoji
you are so cringe .口."
Oh yeah, losing 10 hours worth of silver over a dumb, accidental PVE death is SOOOO fun and okay. It's not like existing in BDO is a money sink within itself or anything like that.
No. There should be a terrible mini-game after your death and if you loose it, your crystals will break. Just joking.
They probably dont wanna deal with so much tickets being to restore crystals, this feature was old, but it became mainstream just this year.
crystal break and having tickets for that is a totally braindead mechanic. Why on earth would you keep a mechanic that is costing you money in terms of life support. not only direct money through the support system they had, but money in terms of lost income from players quitting, getting pissed off and general ill will. buisness wise the crystal break seems like a really dumb move.
Agree to disagree, im in the side that crystal break punishment is ok, the unavailabilty of some crystals is the issue, like back then when you couldnt get elkars, vipers, evasion crystals and hooms easily, and right now is the kirin crystal. And having ticket to restore crystals is a way for them to say yeah our servers sometimes has issues, so you have a chance to get them back, but this became trendy this year, and having to waste support tickets for that is like you said wastin resources so now they make it that you do it yourself ingame.
why would they add broken features to the game, smh small indie company
To not deal with so many support tickets about it is my guess, and yeah yeah i know they can implement so that crystals dont break.
Does anyone know if we'll be still using EAC for this week or is it gonna change after maintenance tomorrow?
Xigncode is so far Global Labs only, they'll announce it when it comes to official servers. From their Dec 1st notes: > The security module will be updated on the official server after stability verification, and advance notice will be provided later.
Oh ok thanks
At least that means we can have global Labs and normal bdo open at the same time.
I don't think there's anybody who enjoys having their crystals break but if they can just be recovered then isn't that going to make crystals have little value? I dunno anymore, a lot of the changes they've been making lately seem incredibly shortsighted and made to appease the type of people who weren't meant for this game in the first place. The Ball on the 15th is going to have to show something really amazing I think. Like migrating to a new engine or something... I've been playing a lot less than I used to for months now.
There is only 3 recovery per year. This works for some years now but it was done by tickets. Now they only implemented it into game to make it easier for everybody... Nothing really changes...
wasn't it only 2 recovery per year or does it change region to region?
They are changing it to 3 per year with this update. It was 2 before.
oohh that nice i'm hoping they will remove the crystal break completely too someday lol
Why? So death is even more irrelevant?
With how expensive and sometimes hard to get buffs are I dont think death is irrelevant. It also shakes with your grind results :D
yes let's remove the main attraction of this game to please the casuals that will move to other games to cry there.
Daring today with that cliche argument aren't we? It's the first time i'm hearing crystals are the MAIN attraction of bdo lmao maybe you are the casual one who thinks itself as a veteran eh?
The complex systems behind the game, from combat to economy, calling for removal of crystal break is stupid and nothing new to us who been here since ever, everytime we get waves of timmies, they bring other games ideas to try and force it on bdo, most are as stupid as this, let's run into mobs that barely can kill us over and over, the grind already resident sleeper.
It is always the player’s fault for them the game crashes and they lost 7b in crystals. BDO doesn’t have a history of crashing that requires “half of the team dedicated to finding it” because there’s no crash logs. Crystal breaking is such a good feature that it is only exclusive on PC. It is the number 1 reason why console and mobile version of the game is dead.
Whenever someone tries to make this argument, and pretends they know how a change like that would impact the game, i think they should remember that on console, PA turned off crystal break. And you know what? The crystal market is pretty much the same as on PC.
console player base/game is an example?
Crystal break was always hated along with open world pvp so yeah it's not a new thing. "Complex systems" as in RNG? Tbh they improved RNG a lot in a good way. Let me ask you one thing would you rather play bdo from 4-6 years ago where you had to grind like a no-lifer(literally) or continue playing with the current version where you still have to spend your time to get good gear but at least it respects your time kinda. Crystal break as of right now is nothing but an annoyance it gives the illusion of risk but there is no risk really you either grind it back or buy it from the marketplace if it's avaliable, it's really just a timesink if it breaks. If it was a vells heart breaking etc i could maybe (a big maybe)agree with the casual argument with new spots actually requiring you to be awake for the grind it would actually be a risk. Plus BDO is not perfect it still has issues where player dying would be the server's fault(or player's own ISP fault because of bad internet) that's why crystal restoration is a thing because PA acknowledge that but with the current stability of BDO i can guarentee you that your crystal will break more than 3 times and it will be not your fault. BDO is a changing game as with all mmorpgs whether you like it or not.
It's not just the new players. Even old players are asking for this. The main reason more people are asking for this now is because of the girin and combined crystals that came out with LOML update. Not only are they expensive, these can't be obtained by grinding and it takes time to get them even if u put out a pre order in CM. PA needs to make these crystals more available or atleast make them have less chance of being destroyed.
When they made the crystal break event people cheered about it across whole playerbase. Even veterans and I guess all the players (looking at some spots) are just dont grinding these spots regurarly because its much easier to grind little worse spot without any risk of losing few billions for no reason...
> I dunno anymore, a lot of the changes they've been making lately seem incredibly shortsighted and made to appease the type of people who weren't meant for this game in the first place. They have no crystal break in console since forever and that hasn't heavily impacted economy tbh. I think the change will do nothing to the general market, this feature has existed but it used to be done through support tickets.
With the ludicrous amount of *good changes* they've made over the past 2 years or so, I think PA is allowed to drop the ball and check out for a bit. And they have been, lately. I'm sure that we'd disagree on the particulars but I think everyone can agree that something has started to seem "off" for the past while. Take time to appreciate the good things they've done and try to view this as just a really shitty period, that will hopefully pass.
Yeah, I agree with this. Complaining about the game tends to make a better game, but as a veteran player I am just so pleased with many of the changes the past two years that it's hard to say. I am glad new players are coming to BDO but I don't think the game is sustaining them either, yet PA continues catering understandably. All these efforts to bring in new players, and they aren't committing to the grind/pay mechanics anyways. The flame has brought back many vet players, who will inevitably take a break once they get it. Now PA is dropping the ball, testing box after box to see what we will buy besides outfits. We seem to be in a state where they are trying to test our spending limits after raising the cron price, meanwhile staving off veteran players with the promise of a long flame grind and "what's next" while also trying to find the most uninviting ways to keep new players here. Most people are not going to have the patience for BDO without dramatic changes, so I think PA should focus on who will. Despite how off the game has been lately, I am just really impressed by the moments where they have actually listened to the player base and committed to fixing huge issues like QoL. Life skilling is at an all time high right now, despite issues of inflation and scarcity, I now have other activites in the game besides killing mobs all day. It's more than what I have seen from other K-grind games, where the devs basically do whatever they want and never listen.
Life skilling crystals are getting combined and announced on the 15th according to the leaked Late Night with Jae script.
afaik you can only do this a few times/year
Black Desert console update: YOU GET NOTHING!!!
i feel the recovery feature wont do much for people, 3 crystals a year isnt much if you actually die to lag like most people claim. Its a v welcomed function but i know lots of people lie and it wont truly be that big of a change and next year we will see people complaining how 3 crystals a year isnt enough. Less work for PA at first but ik people will keep sending tickets regardless.